
When I saw the New York Times headline "As Her Star Wanes, Rice Tries to Reshape Legacy," I really wasn't prepared for the amount of vitriol about to be heaped on the current Secretary of State.
In the end, I was sorry I even looked.
Helene Cooper's piece on Saturday began by addressing a May 25 article in the Stanford Daily, the newspaper of Stanford University, which discussed the possibility that Condoleezza Rice could return to the highly-regarded institution when President Bush's second term is over in January 2009.
Rather than citing one word from the article, Cooper instead shared reader reactions to it (emphasis added throughout):
Within hours, the letters to the editor started coming in. "Condoleezza Rice serves an administration that has trashed the basic values of academia: reason, science, expertise, and honesty. Stanford should not welcome her back," wrote Don Ornstein, identified by the newspaper as an emeritus professor of mathematics in a letter published May 31.
Online comments on the newspaper's Web site were even harsher, a veritable stream of vitriol. One of the milder posts came from Jon Wu, who did not give an affiliation: "Please go away, Rice. We don't want someone who is responsible for the slaughter of an entire nation teaching at our school."
This was one of the milder posts? Hardly, for here are some that Cooper chose not to share with her readers:
rick on 5/25/07 at 7am
Head of Hoover Institute?
Often politicans when their party out of power "park" themselves in a think tank until there party returns to power.
I think Stanford is "too small" for Condi. She needs to run a corporation or university now.Hey on 5/26/07 at 2am
To everyone above except "As Stiff As a Plank"-
What the hell is wrong with you people? A former Provost and Secretary of State may return to the University and you can't see beyond... what? Your own wierd prejudices. You guys are an embarrasment to the University. It's a testiment to the sad politicization of our political culture (which this administration has certainly aided and abetted) that any mention of Condoleeza rice brings out the angry whack jobs.Crazy liberals on 5/26/07 at 6pm
A small group of delusional students will not stop Dr. Rice from coming back to campus, nor will it stop other students from hearing her point of view. Go back to protesting sweaters or find something else to complain about.
Hypocrisy rules on 5/28/07 at 11am
Isn't it interesting how quickly the so-called liberal "tolerance" disappears when put to the test?
Great job Daily on 5/29/07 at 1am
For censoring any comment that isn't a bunch of liberal trash.
I guess Cooper missed those comments supporting Rice's return to Stanford. Sadly, that was just the beginning of the assault:
There was a time when, perhaps more than Hillary Rodham Clinton or Barack Obama, Condoleezza Rice seemed to have the best shot at becoming the first woman or the first African-American to be president. But that was before she sounded public alarms based on faulty intelligence to justify the Iraq war, telling CNN, "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud." It was before a former top Bush administration colleague, David Kay, charged with finding unconventional weapons after the Iraq invasion, referred to Ms. Rice in Bob Woodward's "State of Denial" as "probably the worst national security adviser since the office was created."
And it was before furious Lebanese hung a huge banner depicting Ms. Rice's face, with blood dripping from her lips, from a bridge in central Beirut.
Incredible. So, a protest sign in Lebanon has diminished Rice's future political opportunities? How disgraceful.
But Cooper wasn't done:
Richard L. Armitage, Mr. Powell's deputy secretary of state, said he became so frustrated that he once went to the White House and complained privately to Ms. Rice that he felt like he was getting on a "gerbil wheel" every morning "and nothing would be resolved, and we'd get off at night, and the next morning we would get back on and do it all over again."
Cooper chose not to share with her readers that Armitage was the person who leaked Valerie Plame Wilson's name to columnist Bob Novak, and opted to keep this quiet for years as others within the administration were being investigated for doing so. I guess as Cooper didn't feel it necessary to share any of the supportive comments about Rice at the Stanford Daily, Armitage's disgraceful behavior concerning the Plame scandal was similarly unimportant.
But there was more:
These days, the flood of Condi-versus-Hillary-for-president spoofs on the Internet have died down. Her approval ratings, while still higher than those of the rest of the administration and Mr. Bush himself, have dipped, to about 47 percent in July from 54 percent in April 2005. And few people are talking about "Rice for president" anymore.
Cooper was once again leaving out pertinent information, for in the most recent Gallup poll taken August 13 - 16, Hillary Clinton received the exact same favorability rating of 47 percent.
Think Cooper believes that's bad for the Democrat presidential nomination front-runner? No, I don't either.
Finally, Cooper chose to ignore Forbes' just-released list of "The World's 100 Most Powerful Women" wherein Rice came in fourth compared to Hillary's 25th. In fact, Rice was considered by Forbes as America's most powerful woman.
In the end, it seems Cooper and some disgruntled Stanford students are much more concerned with Rice's future than most Americans.
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.















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Cooper
September 1, 2007 - 12:00 ET by Felicity RandJust think, this passes for "journalism." Hide facts that hurt your "angle", repeat lies that support your story, etc.
Helene, Condi doesn't want to run, that's why talk has diminished.
I just laugh thinking that these people (MSM reporters) are viewed to be so smart and clever by some. They're nothing more than childish propagandists.
Our Future
September 1, 2007 - 12:35 ET by pickersenior"Childish propagandists" is far too kind. These people are trying to steal the future, and may get what they wish for. Some of the self centered leftests at Stanford will increase their influence over our way of life in time. The result will be a leftest state with purges of anyone conservative that will make the 1917 revolution look like a Sunday School picnic. The hatred is there.
After all, that is their objective. Prove to us that this is not the direction we are headed.
Maybe these people need to read some history rather than the New York Times.
"If liberals didn't live it, it doesn't exist."
Childish propagandists
September 1, 2007 - 12:58 ET by Seabeach4348Childish propagandists these misanthropic, pseudo-intellectual professionals definitely are. That's being too nice in describing them.
These so-called objective and journalistic "artists" are also the most malevolent, intellectually dishonest scum I've ever seen. Their lies, propaganda, indoctrination, and blatant hate-mongering have become the worse ever since Algore lost the election in 2000. They have done great damage to our country. No wonder nobody wants their crappy, snobby newspaper!
Condi Rice is a black woman who just doesn't fit the mold, and who could never measure up to the liberal-compliant media's expectations.....no matter how great her achievements!
Incredible intelligence,
September 1, 2007 - 12:06 ET by drillanwrIncredible intelligence, the highest qualifications, the best education, major accomplishments throughout her life, historical status (first "black woman" to hold the office of Secretary of State of the United States), supreme class and grace under ugly, and often times racial, criticism ... and incredibly beautiful on top of it all ... NOT good enough for Stanford University??!!??
Perhaps S.O.S. Dr. Rice should play the race card here???
The left does not forgive or accept
September 1, 2007 - 12:08 ET by RJblack conservatives who hold positions of power, and they are blind to their own outrageous racism.
It's repugnant, but in repeatedly behaving the same way toward successful conservative blacks, the left exposes its long-held convicton that conservative blacks have "escaped" from the Democrat plantation.
Just a Reminder
September 1, 2007 - 16:55 ET by Barker"As a black American, as far as I'm concerned, it is a high-tech
lynching for uppity blacks, who in any way deign to think for
themselves."--Clarence Thomas
Respectfully, Mr. Sheppard: & Rice, Stanford and Blood
September 1, 2007 - 12:10 ET by Lame CherryRespectfully Mr. Sheppard, while I do not agree with the Times and their blood dripping comments from foreigners, Condi Rice has been second only to that broom riding Albright dancing with Kim of Korea.
What is interesting in this hit piece though is the guns trotted out. Dick Armitage and Colin Powell are both CFR Rockefeller shills as is intelligence agent Bob Woodward. They owe their careers to the Rockefellers and when trotted out to slam someone it is because that someone is off the reservation.
Condi Rice was placed by Bush into the role that Nixon placed that other Sec. of State now forgotten when Nixon and Kissinger were off making policy. Rice in this case has played the role of diplomatic carrot while Bush, Cheney and the military cast assembled are preparing for a real dust up in the Middle East for the final curtain call there.
Sec. Rice has been an extreme lightweight. Her CFR underlings at State have run circles around her in allowing the arming of factions that are anti American. Her entire purpose in the administration is to give diplomatic cover for a war.........people will notice when the Americans met the Iranians it was a male chosen to kick their behinds as much as another male named Cheney was sent to Pakistan to rattle that leaders cage.
I had hopes for Ms. Rice, but while her brain is above IQ her inspirational policy is akin to another professing Sunday School teacher in Jimmy Carter. As one blogger here always signs his blogs, the dog barks and the caravan moves on.........that is Condi Rice.
I have the greatest respect for President Hoover and up until Milton Friedman died I had the utmost respect for the Hoover Institute, but not any more. Except for Mr. Victor Hansen who is brilliant that cast there is nothing but Affirmative Action bots. Dinesh D'Souza is a computer programmed mind of Conservative facts, but is no Conservative at all. In one screaming email directed at me, I was called names.......and he ridiculed Conservatives and Libertarians as worthless as no one filled their lecture seats.
D'Souza is the infamous Hoover Fellow who blamed America in his book for 9 11.
So Condi Rice should fit in well with Hoover as the place is a squatting cesspool of leftist money funding foreigners and mediocre types who accomplish nothing, have no original thought and smile pretty for the cameras.
The cutting edge policy makers are now at American Enterprise and Ms. Rice will not be invited there.
The Times is simply hammering Rice, because she is not going to join CFR, has not bowed sufficiently to the cartels and it is that political season when all good black people are reminded to vote Obama.......for while he gets to play in the mansion he will be shown the door again to the Senate where he like Jesse Jackson can then pretend for the rest of his life that he was a contender and not a manufactured vote getter.
Ms. Rice instead of formulating a policy which would protect America, advance America and our allies instead signed off on perpetual diplomacy and allowed others to do the heavy work. For a Conservative she has been as great a disappointment as when Bush 41 tanked all the work Reagan did in bringing Hispanics into the party.
Ms. Rice should have looked to Justice Brown and Justice Thomas for examples in how to deal with holding an office......or President Bush should have just nominated Janice Rogers Brown for Sec.
Thank you for your time.
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I disagree. What is
September 1, 2007 - 12:41 ET by Sonny LykosI disagree. What is surprising from any journalist, supposedly objective, non bias, is the viciousness the NYT exhibits.
Shame on them.
Helene's Just Jealous
September 1, 2007 - 12:35 ET by Del DolemonteHelene is just jealous of Condi's achievements.
Interestingly enough, Ms. Cooper can be tough on the other side as well:
http://www.nytimes.c...
Condi vs Hillery
September 1, 2007 - 12:46 ET by ThisnThatHow did Rice get to where she is today? Hard work; being professional; excelent education.
What about Hillery? Coattails; threats and intimidation; lying (see Billing Records); friends in high places (and hiding behind their skirts).
Let's have an honest discussion and comparison, Cooper. Rice puts her position on the line. There is no question on where she stands on the issues. There has never been anyone who has said "flip-flop" with regard to her. No one has ever questioned her integrity. Can't say the same for Hillary, though, can you? You and she are cut from the same cloth -- sniveling, conniving, opinionated, hateful people.
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This Covers It
September 1, 2007 - 13:16 ET by pbthinkerThis quote has it covered:
"Hypocrisy rules on 5/28/07 at 11am
Isn't it interesting how quickly the so-called liberal "tolerance" disappears when put to the test?"
Yet these people tell Conservatives how intolerant they are and say Bush is responsible for the "tone" of politics in Washington. What a joke.
Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Karl Rove's replacement
September 1, 2007 - 14:41 ET by FAQsLiberals have an absolute need to demonize their opponents. It allows them to feel superior. I've been wondering who would replace Karl Rove as the evil super villain. Someone else mentioned a few days ago it would be Condi Rice. Sounds like that person was right.
Translated to the physical,
September 1, 2007 - 14:41 ET by motherbeltTranslated to the physical, this attack would be called assault and battery. And not only that, it would be deemed a hate crime.
".....David Kay, charged
September 1, 2007 - 15:02 ET by riff_raff".....David Kay, charged with finding unconventional weapons after the
Iraq invasion, referred to Ms. Rice in Bob Woodward's "State of Denial"
as "probably the worst national security adviser since the office was
created."
Apparently, these dim-wits have never heard of convicted felon and former Clinton administration National Security Advisor Sandy Berger.
Demonise
September 1, 2007 - 15:56 ET by Jerry MackNow that Rove and Gonzales have decided to leave the MSM are now going after Rice.
Of course, there's never
September 1, 2007 - 16:33 ET by fitzfongOf course, there's never even a hint of racism involved whenever some MSM clown directs a partisan and personal attack on Condi Rice. Secretary Rice is far too intelligent and accomplished to waste her time among the brain-dead ivory tower riff-raff in academia.
By the way, it seems to me that Richard Armitage could do with a little exercise on the "gerbil wheel".
Helen Cooper
September 1, 2007 - 17:00 ET by pocomocoI just sent the following comment to Cooper:
Meoooow! Hissss!
And just what have you done for your country, Ms. Cooper???
Superbly done Mr. Sheppard.
September 1, 2007 - 21:20 ET by DaMavSuperbly done Mr. Sheppard. Thank you. Condy Rice is an American I admire greatly, despite her very liberal stance on the Palestinians. She is a real credit to this nation and I hope we see more great things from her in the future. Going back to her old job at Stanford would seem to be a demotion after the accomplishments of the past seven years.
A comment plus a few words
September 2, 2007 - 00:15 ET by JerA comment plus a few words of solace for my friends on the right....After reading Noel's trenchant intro to the Times' "trash"[ing] of Condi Rice--labeled as an "assault" no less--ruthlessly penned by Helene Cooper with the apparent intent to do violent damage to the legacy of our current Secretary of State, I could easily have expected a merciless "hit" piece. However, to my [not very] great surprise, the vicious harangue was nowhere to be found. Instead, there was a--perhaps not perfectly--but at least reasonably balanced portrait of Dr. Rice as she enters the closing stages of her service to the Bush presidency and to the nation.
Both detractors and supporters of Dr. Rice are quoted by Ms. Cooper. But, to make his case, Noel highlights the former, and ignores the latter. Thus, he neglects to mention any of the several points favorable to Rice raised by Ms. Cooper, such as her success in "lowering tensions between America and its allies"; the facilitation of "a truce that led to [North Korea's] shutdown of its main nuclear reactor in July'; or the "cobbl[ing] together a six nation diplomatic effort to rein in Tehran's nuclear ambitions." Praised as a "pragmatic thinker", her deermined efforts toward an Israeli-Palestinian reconciliation are documented as well as her pride in the spread of democratic ideals to such unlikely places as Afghanistan.
Then there is Noel's charge that "Cooper ignores" Forbes' magazine list of powerful women in which "Rice was considered by Forbes as America' most powerful woman". The claim is somewhat puzzling considering Cooper's following observatioon" "Forbes has twice ranked her as the world's most powerful woman". Cooper further notes that "GQ magazine ranked her the most powerful person in Washington...and Time has listed her as one of the world's most influential people four times". May I just mark it down as an oversight, Noel?
Regarding the use or misuse of the letters to the editor and online comments about Rice's return to Stanford University, I think the criticism is fair. (And I'm referring to that which is directed at Cooper--not Rice.) That particular segment of the article skewed facts and perspective, and deserves the criticism it is getting here. The rest of the article does not.
Oh yeah...the 'few words of solace'. Year after year, I have heard various doom and gloom laments from the right about the liberal dominance in the media and academia, and that with its sheer pervasiveness and capacity for influence, the very survival of the Republican party is in jeopardy. Well, to borrow from Twain, the reports of your demise have been greatly exaggerated. The Republican party--and particularly the conservative wing of the party--has not only survived, but thrived. Just to remind you, less than a year ago, Republicans controlled the Executive Branch, both Houses of Congress, the Supreme Court, the Federal judiciary, the majority of governorships, the majority of state legislatures....now that's what I call dominance. [And it took, with the possible exception of Viet Nam, the most unpopular war in American history to even slightly shift the balance of political power.] Toss in the fierce advocacy of the conservative print media, talk radio, opinion journals, pundits, Fox News, and even NewsBusters by golly, and, well, it begs the question, "you wanna swap"?
Jer
Jer
September 2, 2007 - 00:47 ET by Noel SheppardJer,
It's comforting to know that I've got somebody watching my back. I trust you do the same for liberal writers throughout the blogosphere, or am I the only one deserving of such oversight?
Regardless, I think you've quite misrepresented Cooper's piece. Let me elaborate.
First off, I'm sure you're aware that most people don't read entire articles, and might just read the headline and opening paragraph or two. With that in mind, please show me the balance in this article when the first five paragraphs and the headline are quite negative.
Furthermore, although paragraph six does mention GQ and past Forbes' rankings, the immediately following paragraph makes it appear that such is old news:
As such, six of the first seven paragraphs -- and the headline -- were negative. Regardless of how this paginated in today's paper, this is HARDLY balanced. Far from it.
This is a typical practice by today's media -- load tons of negatives about a Republican in the headline and opening paragraphs, and put the so-called "balance" deep in the body where nobody sees it.
Sorry, Homey don't play that!
As for trading media positions with liberals, I would in a heartbeat. After all, they have ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, PBS, NPR, MSNBC, Time, Newsweek, NYT, WaPo, LAT, SFC, AP, Reuters, UPI, USA Today, HBO, Showtime, etc., etc. We have Fox News, NY Post, Washington Times, National Review, and the Weekly Standard.
Add it up, and they've got us probably ten to one. I'd switch any day. Can you set that up for us? ns
Noel: Let me respond
September 2, 2007 - 01:15 ET by JerNoel: Let me respond briefly, and hopefully I can expand some other time...it's getting late here.
You ask "Do I do the same for liberal writers throughout the blogosphere?" My answer: "You bet I do."
I agree the first few paragraphs were inappropriately negative and factually skewed. I tried to point that out in my post. However, I felt the article, as a whole, was far more balanced than you gave it credit.
I'll have to save the media arguments for later.
Have a good Sunday, and holiday.
Bye for now, Jer
Jer
September 2, 2007 - 09:34 ET by Noel SheppardJer,
Cool. Could you provide some links to your comments at liberal websites telling resident writers they're wrong? I'd love to see how such people respond.
Thanks. ns
Noel, if by your original
September 2, 2007 - 17:20 ET by JerNoel, if by your original question you were asking whether I continually surf the blogosphere to monitor and police the content of liberal (and conservative) writers, and if my answer suggested that I do, then that is not the case. I don't post anywhere on a regular basis, other than here--semi-regularly.
That said, I think I have posted twice at DailyKos [btw, not nearly the 'hate' site as many have claimed and even I expected]. One was blasting A. Whitney Brown's "satirical" anti-military diary which I found to be highly offensive and thoroughly unfunny. The second was a cautionary comment to a posting by Kos who was attempting to provide an example of a "hateful" posting by a right-wing member on another site, which actually may have been the work of a liberal troll. I have posted a few times on Newshounds, generally negative ones regarding O'Reilly who I consider a fraud. However, when I encountered a comment about him which I felt crossed the line, I posted my objections to it and then emailed the moderator to take it down. And, I think I mentioned this before, but I did rally to your defense on this site when you were disparaged at Whiskey Dog. I thought it might mean something to you, but maybe not.
In closing, Noel, I try to conduct myself in a dignified manner here at NewsBusters. You do an excellent job--consistently, and under circumstances I am sure are very demanding. And I make every effort to state my views and criticisms fairly and without rancor or personal animus. But if you have any objections or suggestions, I'm certainly open to them.
Jer
Jer
September 2, 2007 - 17:26 ET by Noel SheppardJer,
Nothing personal or derisive intended in my questions. I was truly interested in how my counterparts on the opposite side of the Internet responded to criticism. From what I've been told, anything that doesn't fit the agenda of most of these sites is quickly deleted with membership revoked. As such, I was curious to see what your experience has been.
Here, as NB becomes more popular and gets more press, the number of "trolls" for lack of a better descriptive has increased. This has been very noticeable the past month or so. I think a lot of it has to do with our vocal position concerning global warming. This has made for a changing dynamic at these message boards that I would describe as a business owner as growing pains.
As I do a lot about AGW, I think I've made myself a bit of a target. Apart from comments here, you might find my e-mail inbox somewhat shocking. With that in mind, I really am going to need to get a thicker skin, or stay away from the comments section. Make sense? ns
Jer, When I was in
September 2, 2007 - 16:12 ET by fitzfongJer,
When I was in college, I took several journalism courses in the interest of pursuing a career in that field. One of the techniques the professors championed ad nauseum was the "inverted pyramid". In this approach, writers are encouraged to "top load" their pieces, putting the most important details in the first few paragraphs and burying less important quotes, facts and statistics in the later paragraphs...in deep background, so to speak. The theory is that most readers, whether pressed for time or simply interested in thumbnail sketches of news stories, will only read the first few paragraphs. Therefore, whatever conclusions the writer was looking to draw would be read...while some potentially contradictory evidence, though present in the piece, would be so dry and so far down the page that it would not be read as often. The descending order of importance became, 1) headline, 2) first paragraph, 3) second paragraph, etc. To paraphrase an old saying the accusation is on the front page, the retraction is buried on page C27. In my opinion, a variation of the inverted pyramid technique was used in this piece. Rice's accomplishments, while somewhat present in the story, were overly-contextualized and largely buried in a negatively-toned submission.
fitzfong, once again, you
September 3, 2007 - 02:35 ET by Jerfitzfong, once again, you make a good point. My dad was a publisher of small weeklies, and as such there was no inclination--at least of which I was aware- to engage in any sophisticated "news management".
But I do not question the fact that the practice has long existed, and still does to this day. Anecdotedly, when I was in college in the mid to late 60's in Nashville, I had a friend who worked for the Tennessean. I recall his once telling me that if an article were being published about Richard Nixon, he or some others on the staff would try to find the most unflattering photo of Nixon available to use in conjunction with the article.
In the present case, the piece on Rice is rather lengthy and frankly it is only the first four or five fairly brief paragraphs which I think are suspect. But, you're correct, those are the ones which are more likely to be seen by most readers.
Jer
Jer
September 3, 2007 - 11:38 ET by Noel SheppardJer,
In the present case, the piece on Rice is rather lengthy and frankly it is only the first four or five fairly brief paragraphs which I think are suspect. But, you're correct, those are the ones which are more likely to be seen by most readers.
Turns out this article was on Saturday's front page. As the first five paragraphs are negative -- regardless of the balance in the rest of the piece -- it is quite likely that the first five paragraphs were on the front page, and all the balance was buried in the body of the paper where few folks go.
Think this was intentional, Jer, or just an accidental coincidence? ns
Jer...I sure feel strange for a "winner"!
September 2, 2007 - 04:20 ET by sarcasmoI guess it depends on what you mean by "conservative wing." The social conservatives have done quite well, although recent "Waterclosetgates" seem to be hurting them a bit. Us fiscal conservatives keep wondering why you folks on the left -- which is pro-big-government -- actually find a way to believe you're somehow losing, given the astounding growth of the Federal government in just-about all aspects but especially domestic spending under this President. So what if it's not Bill Clinton doin' it, you're still getting LBJ-like levels of big government growth, and you have-been for the better part of a decade. How is it that we're winning and not you, regardless of Presidential party labels?
I mean, if fiscal conservatives & libertarians like me were really winners, don't you think we could have gotten-rid of ONE federal bureaucracy? There's still a bloated Department of Education that still educates no kid, so we're failures there. There's still a bloated Department of Energy that emits no useful energy of any sort, so we're failures on that one, too. Can you see why I'm confused by the fact that left-wing fans of big government seem to hate George W. Bush so-much?? If I were a lefty I'd probably secretly-love him, but I'm stuck being me instead.
JMR
Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul.
Educators
September 2, 2007 - 10:34 ET by iveseenitallAs one who has spent his professional career with so-called "liberal" educators, I have first-hand knowledge of the kind of people they are--- hate-filled, intolerant left wingers who seize upon any opportuntiy to condemn those who would dare to disagree with them. The modern "liberal" mentality is the foremost reason for the failure of our educational system. As they call for "change", they lack the imagination to bring it about and stubbornly shun anyone with a different point of view. Dr. Rice would be an asset to any institution, no matter what her personal views. But the close-minded liberals not only ignore someone like her, they viciously attack her. "Liberals"?--talk about a misnomer! "Bigots" is a more accurate term.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Jer
September 2, 2007 - 09:54 ET by Noel SheppardJer,
Taking Sarc's point further, if conservatives have it so good in the media, why couldn't we get Social Security reform done in 2005 right after Bush became the first president since FDR in 1936 to be reelected while increasing majorities in both chambers of Congress?
From what I saw, a liberally dominated media -- even with the presence of Fox News and Rush Limbaugh -- went on a full-court, misinformation press to convince Americans that SS wasn't a crisis that needed to be immediately dealt with. In fact, they convinced the people that Bush was misrepresenting the seriousness much as he supposedly did WMD in Iraq.
Tell me, as a fiscal conservative, how I won. In fact, we all lost, because the various Congressional communications directors I speak to feel that SS reform is totally off the table right now, and likely won't be back until after the 2009 inauguration.
Now, if a Democrat wins the White House, it would be unlikely SS will be revisited until 2013 at the earliest. As the first baby boomers turn 63 in 2009, we will likely already be paying benefits to boomers when we return to this issue. As a result, our options will be much fewer.
So tell me -- how did we win? ns
sarc, I'm not sure either
September 3, 2007 - 01:09 ET by Jersarc, I'm not sure either of us are winners. On the other hand, if you do feel "stuck", what better place is there to be stuck than with being yourself. In my view, an individual should be applauded for informing himself, developing a set of core principles, and steadfastly adhering to them rather than floating with the tide of prevailing opinion.
But I am bothered by the cookie-cutter approach to attaching ideological labels. For example, I can self-identify as a moderately left-leaning centrist Democrat, yet will still be pigeon-holed by most on the right as a pro big-government, anti-military, Christian-bashing, Bush-hating liberal; and, yet, that description would be--aside from quibbles over the proper size and role of government--completely erroneous [and insulting]. Of course the left engages in the same behavior toward Republicans--and your political philosophy, sarc, (vis-a-vis other conservatives) illustrates the inherent inauthenticity of the practice.
So, when you suggest that I--and the left--are "winning" because of the accelerated growth of the federal government under Bush, or, as Noel notes in one of his follow-up comments, because of the failure of social security reform, does it not then follow that we (the left and I) "lost" when Clinton campaigned for and signed welfare reform legislation, and suffered another defeat when he reduced the size of the federal bureaucracy? In the larger context, these 'wins' and 'losses' appear merely episodic and transitory in nature rather than significant markers along a continuum.
Personally, I favor a restructuring and streamlining of the Departments of Education and Energy...less funding more wisely and efficiently allocated, and perhaps most importantly, an infusion of fresh ideas free from the crippling weight of political baggage. Yes, I disagree with the tired old liberal remedies of "throwing more money" at the problems, but I'm not in favor of the outright abolishment of these entities.
Finally, in politics as in life, the only certainty is uncertainty. Historically, the more conservative Republicans were isolationists while liberal Democarats were internationalists and interventionists. But World War, Soviet expansionism, Marxist ideology, military exigencies in a nuclear age, a perceived need for strategic alliances; and, more recently, an array of geopolitical and economic dynamics including globalism, Islamic extremism, and, of course, 9/11 have whipsawed traditional orthodoxies to a point where now (neo)conservative Republicans have embarked on the stunningly audacious [foolhardy?] mission of democratizing the Arab world. And there you are, sarc, with Ron Paul, swimming against the tide. Keep swimming!
Jer
Thanks for an honest reply (but I need to know more)
September 3, 2007 - 06:23 ET by sarcasmoThanks for your kind words, too. These paragraphs I quote in italics made me a bit curious, though:
"So, when you suggest that I--and the left--are "winning" because of the
accelerated growth of the federal government under Bush, or, as Noel
notes in one of his follow-up comments, because of the failure of
social security reform, does it not then follow that we (the left and
I) "lost" when Clinton campaigned for and signed welfare reform
legislation, and suffered another defeat when he reduced the size of
the federal bureaucracy? In the larger context, these 'wins' and
'losses' appear merely episodic and transitory in nature rather than
significant markers along a continuum."
I'm saying the left sorta-lost on that one, but it wasn't at all the kind of total-defeat I'm after. AFDC still exists. Still, look to the words of Clinton-buddy Marion Wright-Edelman if you doubt the left lost. A Republican congress forced libertarian-looking "you might actually need to go to w-o-r-k" welfare reform directly down Clinton's unwilling throat, with the help of the American people, who are sick of freeloaders of all sorts to this day, individual or corporate. But if, as you say, Clinton "reduced" the bureaucracy's size (that's debatable, BTW -- I'd say it went up in cost by 1.5%) the cost has kept growing, and has in fact become worse under Bush.
I will admit that Clinton, in spite of his wants and his rhetoric, seems to be least-bad, but he still cost-more. Bottom-line? I'm losing and the big spenders are winning. If the government were shrinking by 1.5% a year instead under Democrats and just growing even worse under Republicans, then I'd be a Democrat and be very happy about it as long as it continued.
You'll have to admit, by any "follow the money" standard, "small government" people like me are total losers when it comes to policy (ignore campaign-rhetoric -- stealing libertarian words & then ignoring them after elections has always been a winning strategy, it seems). And some NB-types do hate it when I say that, because it's the God's-honest truth & they know it! :) Anyway, then you say:
Personally, I favor a restructuring and streamlining of the
Departments of Education and Energy...less funding more wisely and
efficiently allocated, and perhaps most importantly, an infusion of
fresh ideas free from the crippling weight of political baggage. Yes,
I disagree with the tired old liberal remedies of "throwing more money"
at the problems, but I'm not in favor of the outright abolishment of
these entities.
I hate to be rude, but you sound like the Democrats have totally fooled you. The problem isn't the structure of these pieces of bureaucratic flab, it's their existence. IMO the solution is a starvation-diet. It's not possible for the Education Department to become 'wise,' because that's solely the province of good teachers. The Department of Energy is probably the worst socialist boondoggle Carter ever saddled us with, and should be destroyed at once in favor of capitalism, again because bureaucrats DO NOT have the decision-making ability of the free marketplace.
What happens with giant Federal agencies like these is what happened with the "Strategic Helium Reserve" until Dave Barry heroically killed it with about a decade of biting sarcasm. By the time he'd finally killed it, that Texas boondoggle had cost WAY more taxes per-year than Dave (who is a millionaire many times over -- some libertarians actually get paid to rant!) will ever pay in his entire lifetime, so Dave's a net-loser individually even on an incredibly-wasteful program he actually managed to kill(!) and it took him YEARS. And Dave pays a LOT of taxe$. Think about it...
JMR
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