
After the press spent last weekend gushing over liberal bloggers with nothing but glowing coverage of the YearlyKos convention in Chicago, the media's fascination with the Netroots continued with reckless abandon this weekend.
On Saturday, the Washington Post published an op-ed by Daily Kos founder Markos Moulitsas, to be followed by a debate on Sunday's "Meet the Press" between the head Kossack and the chairman of the Democratic Leadership Council, Harold Ford, Jr.
Are media recognizing the power of the Netroots, or just trying to assist their efforts to move the Democrat Party further and further to the left?
Regardless of the answer, Moulitsas continued to posit in the Post the same absurd assertion from his keynote address last weekend that he and his ilk represent the center of American politics (emphasis added):
A new day is dawning for the progressive movement. The distrust between Net-roots activists and more traditional progressive players in the party establishment and issue groups has given way to respectful cooperation as we all adjust to new technologies and the promise they hold for institutional change.
Last week, at the YearlyKos convention, all these players came together to celebrate our newfound unity and to organize for the coming battles in 2008 and beyond. The DLC was nowhere to be found -- unless you looked in Nashville, where its members continued to preach, in empty halls, about the "vital center." Even the Democratic presidential candidates have figured out where the heart of the party now lies: with the new, unashamedly progressive movement.
The DLC had two decades to make its case, to build an audience and community, to elect leaders the American people wanted. It failed.
Its members number in the hundreds, compared with the millions that the people-powered movement can claim, and they are reduced to attacking our movement from the studios of right-wing Fox News and pleading that in the next election they'll really prove that the mushy, indistinguishable "middle" is where the American people want to be.
Their time is up. The "center" is where we stand now, promoting an engaged and active politics embraced by significant majorities of Americans.
Every time you hear someone on the far left state that his or her political opinions represent the center of American politics, you really have to wonder what the color of the sky is in their world.
On the other hand, you have to give Moulitsas credit, for unlike Al Gore, at least he's willing to debate folks he disagrees with. But, he had better be at the top of his game, for the Post published an op-ed of Ford's on Tuesday, and the former Congressman is clearly loaded for bear (emphasis added):
Some liberals are so confident about Democratic prospects that they contend the centrism that vaulted Democrats to victory in the 1990s no longer matters.
The temptation to ignore the vital center is nothing new. Every four years, in the heat of the nominating process, liberals and conservatives alike dream of a world in which swing voters don't exist. Some on the left would love to pretend that groups such as the Democratic Leadership Council, the party's leading centrist voice, aren't needed anymore.
But for Democrats, taking the center for granted next year would be a greater mistake than ever before. George W. Bush is handing us Democrats our Hoover moment. Independents, swing voters and even some Republicans who haven't voted our way in more than a decade are willing to hear us out. With an ambitious common-sense agenda, the progressive center has a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to win back the White House, expand its margins in Congress and build a political and governing majority that could last a generation.
In fact, Ford seemed to be pointing a cautionary finger right at Moulitsas and his ilk:
As the caucuses and primaries approach, candidates will come under increasing pressure to ignore the broader electorate and appeal to the party faithful. But the opportunity to build a historic majority is too great -- and too rare -- to pass up.
In 2006, conservatives lost the battle for the heart and soul of the Republican Party, and, as a result, both chambers of Congress.
A similar battle is being waged in the Democrat Party, with just as significant ramifications for the upcoming elections. As Kimberley Strassel wrote in Friday's Wall Street Journal (emphasis added):
The far left has found something to unify it -- hatred of George W. Bush. Technology has given it the means to organize; what the right found in talk radio, liberals have found in the "netroots" Internet, from Moveon.org to Daily Kos. Its activism has of late overshadowed groups like the DLC, which still believe in such creaky notions as ideas. Even Mr. Ford, who took over the DLC chairmanship in January, is willing to admit his outfit has been eclipsed: "The DLC and other moderate groups have struggled a bit to find not only our voice, but a way to be heard."
Making it harder is that this newly energized left is directing inordinate firepower on the DLC itself, in a crazed, purist drive to purge any group that would exert a moderating influence on the Democratic Party. New Republic scribe Noam Scheiber let loose a few weeks back in a New York Times hit piece, calling the DLC "radioactive" and "quaint," gloating that its "fading influence was good news for the entire party," and arguing that it should just get lost. Markos Moulitsas, chief flogger-blogger on the Daily Kos, this week slammed the DLC as a group that wants to "blur distinctions with the GOP," and reveling that Democrats had won in 2006 because liberals like himself had "forced" Americans to pick sides.
The real target audience for these pronouncements is the Democratic presidential field, and the threat is clear: Touch the DLC, and you will be (to use a favorite, medieval Kos word) "punished." At least a few activists danced a victory lap, too, a few weeks back when every last Democratic candidate spurned the DLC's annual convention in Nashville, instead turning up at Mr. Moulitsas's YearlyKos event in Chicago.
Yet, the celebration might be very premature:
Congress alone should be cause for the DLC's concern. Nancy Pelosi shrewdly presented her party as more centrist in last year's election, yet upon winning tossed the gavel to her liberal wing. Egged on by activists, Congressional Democrats have spent eight months fighting for surrender in Iraq, tanking trade pacts with Latin America and South Korea and maneuvering to institute backdoor socialized health care. This undoubtedly has something to do with Congress's approval rating, which now stands below that of even President Bush.
And the presidential candidates? Mr. From says he's happy that none of the front-runners have so far "gone off the deep end," but this might be considered faint praise. The one grown-up on national security has been Sen. Joe Biden, who barely registers in Democratic polls. Hillary Clinton has come out against even a South Korean trade deal; this from the wife of the DLCer whose own free-trade impulses (at least his first term) delivered Nafta and GATT. Barack Obama produced a little shiver among his party's fiscal disciplinarians when he recently blurted out (at the Kos event, in case you were wondering), that he'd be happy to run up deficits in the name of greater domestic spending.
[...]
Mr. Ford, for his part, has dark warnings for those activists selling the line that last year's election is proof that their liberal ideas are now "mainstream," or that Democrats' reputation on national security and the economy is so secure that the candidates run no risk going left. "That's called short-term memory," he says, with a few references to Carter, Mondale and other ghosts of failed Democrats past.
In fact, Moulitsas' ego seems to be getting the better of him when he suggests that he and the Netroots were responsible for Democrat successes in November 2006. As Strassel pointed out:
The party's most impressive gains last year all came from politicians straight out of the DLC cast. Four governors spoke at the DLC convention this year; all four had beat Republicans. The vast majority of the pick-ups in the House came from DLCers in red states in the South and Midwest. The Senate wouldn't be in Democratic hands were it not for Montana's Jon Tester.
"The reality is, without the DLC, and without candidates who subscribe to our platform, Democrats wouldn't be in the majority today. If we abandon that group, we will lose the majority and we will lose the White House," says Mr. Ford.
Certainly, conservatives hope Ford is right, and that Democrats will foolishly follow the inexperienced Moulitsas into the river.
That said, Markos better be prepared tomorrow, for Ford is a lifelong politician, not just some guy with a laptop and an Internet connection.
*****Update: Freeper "Roscoe Karns" offers a humorous Photoshopped pictorial of how this debate might look tomorrow.
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Well the House that was
August 11, 2007 - 18:43 ET by bigtimerWell the House that was supposedly conservative dem's that did get elected are nothing of the sort by their votes...
I myself hope Markos keeps it up and wins his war with the so-called centrists in the dem party....
Better for our side of the aisle.
Debate ought to be intersting though...that is for sure.
BT
August 11, 2007 - 18:55 ET by Noel SheppardBT,
Well, I find myself having a hard time choosing someone to root for. On the one hand, I'd love to see Ford wipe the floor with this guy, and expose him as just another liberal from Berkeley.
On the other hand, if Kos does a good job, this could add to the hijacking of the Democrat Party moving further to the left and away from mainstream America. Despite all of his declarations about representing the center, absolutely nothing could be further from the truth. And, if the Dems do move towards the Netroots and the MoveOns, they're going to have HUGE problems in 2008.
As Strassel adroitly pointed out, most of the Dem successes in November 2006 were candidates hand-picked by Rahm Emanuel as moderate to conservative running in moderate to conservative districts. 2006 wasn't a Netroots victory by any means, and the mere suggestion by Kos that it was actually demonstrates either a delusion on his part, or a total lack of political acumen.
Whichever, I think Markos is in trouble tomorrow. We'll see. ns
Noel... I could not agree
August 11, 2007 - 19:08 ET by bigtimerNoel...
I could not agree more with your total assessment of the situation.
The people Rahm hand picked turned out NOT to be anything close to centrists...proof is in the pudding by their votes....and of course like you say, Ford is really no centrist...anyone would no that by the majority of his votes.
If the republicans that run against any of these critters like Sestak for instance do not bring this up along with sound bites in their individual districts they are fools.
I want Markos to win only for the reason that you and I even thought in different ways posted is for the dem party to be too far gone to be retrievable...and IMHO they are well on their way.
Just Betty Boop speaking her little ol' mind here....
LOL!
It should be very interestiong tomorrow though...that is for sure...thanks for the warning.....heheheee....
Noel-I don't think Markos
August 11, 2007 - 19:18 ET by Del DolemonteNoel-I don't think Markos will be "in trouble", simply because of who will be "moderating" this debate.
It will be up to Ford to be at the very top of his game, because Timmy is certainly not going to give him any help.
Del
August 11, 2007 - 19:32 ET by Noel SheppardDel,
I'm not sure where Tim's sentiments will lie tomorrow. Ford's a very bright, likeable guy, and is extremely polished. Furthermore, his politics aren't that much different than Russert's. So, I don't see this being a hostile environment for Ford.
Will it be hostile to Kos? Certainly not. However, I think Ford has more at stake here, because the DLC right now is being ignored. He's got to get this group back on the map, and soon. So, I think he's going to be looking to expose Kos as being not ready for prime time. Don't you? ns
You're right, Noel, Ford
August 11, 2007 - 20:12 ET by Del DolemonteYou're right, Noel, Ford has more at stake here. And I agree, I've seen him and he's polished. Should be an interesting encounter. I wonder how much time they have blocked out in the show for this debate?
Del
August 11, 2007 - 20:16 ET by Noel SheppardDel,
He's also having a roundtable discussion concerning the Iowa straw poll. So, I would think it will be half and half. ns
from "Phsstpok" at New
August 11, 2007 - 20:22 ET by Del Dolemontefrom "Phsstpok" at New Republic we have this preview:
"The roundtable of lefty Washington insiders Margaret Carlson (Bloomberg), Michael Duffy (Time) and Chuck Todd (NBC), with a token (though brilliant) conservative Byron York will be heavy on the Ames Straw Poll and the "new politics" represented by Kos and the rest of the blogosphere. They're also likely to talk about Iraq and Iran some and it's likely that the Time and ABC hit pieces on Billy Graham inspired by Duffy's new book will also come up. "
Weekend Talk Show *Preview*
August 11, 2007 - 20:50 ET by ThreePuttinDudeActually Del, it's FreeRepublic. I'm not to sure New Republic would cotton to this type of post. LOL
Weekend Talk Show *Preview*
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1879885/posts
D'OH!
August 11, 2007 - 22:30 ET by Del DolemonteD'OH!
Del...I hope it is the
August 11, 2007 - 20:18 ET by bigtimerDel...
I hope it is the whole hour myself....
Unless we get Matalin/Carville talkin' heads about it afterwards....
LMAO!
Just wanted to throw my two cents in there...
MTP in the past has always
August 11, 2007 - 20:24 ET by Del DolemonteMTP in the past has always been on too early on a Sunday morning for my taste (9 AM?). Since Boston's Channel 38 at the same time runs 3 Stooges shorts, I usually watch those :-)
same time runs 3 Stooges
August 11, 2007 - 20:33 ET bysame time runs 3 Stooges shorts, I usually watch those :-)
well it may not be much different
nyuk nyuk nyuk
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
LOL... Well, you are most
August 11, 2007 - 20:34 ET by bigtimerLOL...
Well, you are most likely better served and probably learn more...
Let alone tons of laughs....
and much better for your health!
August 11, 2007 - 21:37 ET by Cape Conservativedon't forget all those good endorphins that will be released as you laugh!
For a fascinating glimpse
August 11, 2007 - 22:40 ET by Del DolemonteFor a fascinating glimpse into World War 2, check out the shorts the Stooges did in the early 1940s, which included some wicked Hitler satires.
Of course they were all done well before the genocidal atrocities were uncovered at the end of the war, and since the Stooges were Jewish themselves, I'm sure they were as freaked out if not more so than the people of other beliefs.
Peace, Peace!
August 11, 2007 - 22:46 ET byWe want peace!
Yeah a piece of this country and a piece of that country!
The "map" they showed was a
August 12, 2007 - 00:00 ET by Del DolemonteThe "map" they showed was a classic. It later showed up in different form in later shorts, like this excerpt from "Malice in the Palace"
"Now here, study this map closely. We start here at Jerkola, go down the Inseine River, over the Giva Dam, through Pushover to Shmowland, to the stronghold of Schow."
GOP Ads
August 11, 2007 - 18:51 ET by exLibThe GOP should run ads on all major networks quoting the Dems saying they will "bring the country to together". Then show that they spurned the center-right Fox News and chose instead to pander to Teamsters, Gays and Nut-Roots Bloggers.
Gee, I misunderestimated
August 11, 2007 - 19:14 ET by Del DolemonteGee, I misunderestimated Timmy Russert. I was sure he would have had Kos on last weekend during the Konvention, just like he did last year. But last Sunday came and went and there was no sign of him, so I stupidly assumed that NBC had lost interest. What was I thinking?
PS, be sure to read some of the hilarious comments from the fever swamp re. Kos's op-ed piece in the WaPo:
http://www.washingto...
Just curious...did anybody
August 11, 2007 - 19:48 ET by bigtimerJust curious...did anybody try and even watch/listen to that Konvention as you call it Del...which I love by the way....
I only lasted about fifteen minutes...
They had on FireDogLake gal/founder...and Taylor Branch and a couple other looney leftist twits....I could not take it.
As an aside....At the moment I cannot get into your link...
I will try later.
FYI, BT, FireDogLake is best
August 11, 2007 - 20:15 ET by Del DolemonteFYI, BT, FireDogLake is best known for their infamous doctored picture showing Joe Lieberman in blackface last summer. I wonder if Kos will bring that up when he mentions how his Killer Klowns sent Ned Lamont to the Senate last year?
Oh, that's right. Lamont LOST.
Ahhh Del.... Right you
August 11, 2007 - 20:22 ET by bigtimerAhhh Del....
Right you are!
I remember that episode with the blackface and Lieberman...just forget it was the sleazy site FDL.
Btw...If memory serves me...wasn't FDL about to go under until they got the Libby trial live reporting?
May have been a rumor about them about to go under, but I know I read it here.....(I think.....lol)
No, they're still as
August 11, 2007 - 20:32 ET by Del DolemonteNo, they're still as clueless as ever
http://www.firedogla...
BT, at the risk of being
August 11, 2007 - 21:22 ET by dahliatraversBT, at the risk of being "so last year" (literally), here is Matt Labash's take on last year's Konvention.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/012/349knzye.asp
Evening dahlia... Thanks
August 11, 2007 - 21:58 ET by bigtimerEvening dahlia...
Thanks for that link. I hadn't read that before...haven't read it all yet but will by tomorrow sometime.
One thing about it....I watched that whole Konvention last year....
I look back and LMAO now...as far as I was concerned it was like Comedy Central, with the exception of the political leaders I saw speaking there, I got angry, couldn't help myself, it is bad enough listening to them on the respective floors...this added salt to the wound.
LOL...
-
August 12, 2007 - 08:42 ET by dahliatraversI give you (and anyone else who did) credit for watching at all, BT. The whole thing strikes me as a roomful of five year olds running around shrieking, pouting or laughing hysterically and regularly saying "nyah!" to someone. Which is great if you are five - not if you are twenty five.
That boy Markos is really
August 11, 2007 - 19:38 ET by fitzfongThat boy Markos is really sounding pleased with himself these days. Right now, the Dems are pandering to this moron in the hopes that he will deliver votes. Actually, he puts the Democrats in a very awkward position. They need him now, but he will be a liability when more of the country is engaged. They can't run against Bush forever, and eventually they'll have to run against the Republican nominee. Once the Dems have an official nominee and we get closer to the general, they are going to have to drop this little punk and his deluded mob, or risk losing the election by giving him and his regressives too much say-so. His fall is going to be as hilarious as it is titanic. I can't wait.
Do you suppose
August 11, 2007 - 21:41 ET by Cape ConservativeTimmy will have Melissa Etheridge on next week? All these high-profile names...wow!
Netroots, Netmutes, or Netmoot?
August 11, 2007 - 19:41 ET by BarkerIf neopunks like Moulitsas wield as much power as they think do then
Ned Lamont would be the Senator from Connecticut, and not Joe
Lieberman. That was pretty much their test case race, and they failed miserably.
Still, that giant sucking sound you hear is coming from Democrats
trying to curry favor with a bunch of hateful, naive, hard-core
leftists "playing" politics.
Well, they THINK they won,
August 11, 2007 - 20:18 ET by Del DolemonteWell, they THINK they won, and in a way they did, because they forced the Dems to throw poor Joe over the side.
And they did get their man to win the primary election, which is nothing to casually dismiss.
It should be interesting to see how the Dems treat Leiberman during the 2008 campaign. Will any of them ask him to campaign for them?
How I wish
August 11, 2007 - 21:50 ET by Cape ConservativeJoe would come on over to our side...that would sure frost Harry Reid's onions!
He has hinted at in in the
August 11, 2007 - 22:43 ET by Del DolemonteHe has hinted at in in the past. I think he said it would depend on the issue.
So far no issue has come along to make him jump the shark, however.
Lather, Rinse, Flush
August 11, 2007 - 20:18 ET by stratmanI'm having a tough time seeing the Ford - Moulitsas Meet The Press meeting as a debate or a dust-up in the making. There is a "consensus" between these two Libs that a Democrat should be president. This meeting is merely a way to legitamize Moulitsas, throw him a bone for carrying the Lib flag as far as he has into the internut zone, and show the that DNC will showcase the circus leader of the internet clowns for the Kossack votes.
An tense moments will be from Ford wanting to maintain his throne of power and Moulitsas wanting to share more of the DNC treasure like the good little socialist/communist/whatever political theory he filters the world through.
A real debate needs oppositional views, not views that disagree only to the extent of how far to follow shared dogma. A real debate requires that the moderator is not giving reach arounds to any of the debators, let alone both of them like Russert will do. A real debate would be between Moulitsas and one of the editors of NB like Noel Sheppard.
This mock debate is nothing more than MSM giving as much air time to the DNC and its candidates as possible. There is zero downside for the Libs and the yet again stacked deck pandering of Meet The Press. I see this as an extension of the Dems having debates featuring YouTube snowmen and GLBT to pander to the granola that is their constituency. The Dems lost the last two presidential elections, to their incredulity and embarassment, and are doing anything to avoid the same result in 2008. This method usually results in rarely anything good, unfortunately and usually for the American people.
This "debate" is nothing more than two guys arguing over which took/is the biggest turd ending with compliments all around. Bluto Blutarsky would be proud.
Killing them with kindness isn't working. Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.
For Peace?
August 11, 2007 - 20:59 ET by BarkerYou're right, it will most likely be a 'bed-in' instead of a debate. They're probably at the rehearsal right now.
Strat
August 11, 2007 - 21:23 ET by Noel SheppardStrat,
"A real debate would be between Moulitsas and one of the editors of NB like Noel Sheppard."
Funny you would say that. I challenged Markos to a debate last year. One of his writers wrote a rather derogatory piece about me right before Thanksgiving -- background available here -- and the Great Kos sent me a snide e-mail message with the link.
I wrote my rebuttal, and sent Kos the following:
I never got a response. Sad, because I'd even debate him on the UC-Berkeley campus (he lives in Berkeley) where the audience would be full of libs. Alas, I don't see him doing it. He'd have everything to lose, and nothing to gain. ns
Sounds exactly like all
August 11, 2007 - 22:46 ET by Del DolemonteSounds exactly like all those people who refuse to go on Fox News. Especially the World's Smartest Woman (TM)
With respect to DailyKos, I
August 12, 2007 - 00:13 ET by JerWith respect to DailyKos, I had rarely visited the site[sort of a personal boycot because of Kos's shocking and indefensible remarks about the contractors murdered in Falujah] but as a result of O'Reilly's scorched earth attack against it, I started checking it out fairly often. (And make no mistake, OReilly's motivation for his assault was the fact that the leading Democratic candidates were going to attend the yearlyKos convention, and he wanted to discredit them as well as the website.) Expecting to find a "hate" site literally dripping with venom on every page, I instead discovered O'Reilly's accusations to be demonstrably false. Am I suggesting there was no objectionable material? Absolutely not. There were some items that I considered not just disagreeable, but profoundly repugnant. But they were definitely the exception. In other words, O'Reilly had engaged in some major league cherry-picking...just as he did with FreeRepublic in his feeble attempt at "balance".
[AAAARGH! I completely botched this post. The first three paragraphs didn't post, so I may wait until tomorrow and redo the whole thing. And I had such great points, too. Sigh...
}}---> That's nice jer
August 12, 2007 - 00:19 ET by Cool ArrowAnd if you know the cops are coming, you hide the grass, the pipes, the smack, the snow. . .
I'm just surprised you tout a recently sanitized site to trash OReilly.
Actually I'm not surprised as I don't know your real politics anyway.
Hey Jer... Will wait for
August 12, 2007 - 00:20 ET by bigtimerHey Jer...
Will wait for tomorrow then before replying to your post...I was getting ready to...but I will wait.
Have a good one.
[Note: I think I'll go
August 12, 2007 - 02:09 ET by Jer[Note: I think I'll go ahead and try to get this posted tonight. I had most of it saved because of some earlier posting disasters. It was originally intended for the O'Reilly/liberal blogger thread, but this one was more active and was almost as relevant.]
Noel:
As a centrist Democrat (but okay with the "liberal" label) who is a frequent viewer of Fox News, a regular [meanining every night] viewer of O'Reilly, and, recently, a recurring visitor to Daily Kos, there are a few points to me made.
1. I have always enjoyed exposure to a wide variety of political views. It's one of the reasons I come to this site, and one of the reasons I watch Fox. In the past I have been an avid reader of the National Review and a devoted fan of Buckley's Firing Line, and, in earlier years, the William Rusher/William Green left vs. right weekly televised debates. I read conservative as well as liberal syndicated columnists, and would probably choose George Will as my personal favorite. The reason I say this is because it's becoming a little wearisome to constantly encounter claims that liberals are all cut from the same cloth, of one mind and voice, intolerant of and closed off from contrarian opinion. That's simply not true.
2. Reiterating what I have previously posted on this site, I am mentally stimulated by a civil and constructive exchange of views and repelled by personal insults, demonization of opponents, and mean-spirited smears regardless of the source. I detest the left's vilification of Bush just as I did--and do--the right's vilification of the Clintons. [An aside, Noel: I believe I was the only one of the NB resident "liberals" to condemn the disgusting Ted Rall anti-military cartoon a few weeks ago, and also the only one to post a comment condemning the Whiskey Dog blogger who made the outrageous, disparaging reference to you. In spite of that, you omitted my name recently when listing the "responsible" liberal posters. I'm still trying to recover from the wound.]
3. But on a slightly more "partisan" note, I must say that I have absolutely no respect for Bill O'Reilly. I admire honest conservatives....O'Reilly is intellectually dishonest. He is no more "independent" than Rush Limbaugh or James Carville. He is nothing more than a mouthpiece for the Republican Party, and while I have nothing against political mouthpieces per se, I serioulsy resent those who deceptively portray themselves as ideologically neutral. I try to approach everything with an open mind....I've watched his show for about nine years now, so I think I can make a fair assessment of his agenda.
Finally to amplify my remarks concerning Daily Kos which I posted earlier, I would direct your attention to the commentary by two conservatives: The first is this observation by Rick Moran at Right Wing Nut House:
My own personl experience [at the Kos convention]
can confirm the Sergeant's impression. Even when
people found out who I was, we found common
ground talking about writing or blogging. And
when we talked politics, we took turns making our
points and tried not to flame the other. It made me
wish for just a little more civility and understand-
ing in the blogosphere. My uneven performance in that
regard notwithstanding, perhaps my experience at
YearlyKos will temper some of the more outrageous
insults I toss without thinking at the left.
Second, the diary posted by A Right Leaning Lurker Speaks Regarding O'Reilly at the following link:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/7/17/0857/83210
Final aside to Noel: Just kidding about the ommission (and it was only a tiny flesh wound)
Jer
I instead discovered
August 12, 2007 - 19:55 ET by general companyI instead discovered O'Reilly's accusations to be demonstrably false.
Am I suggesting there was no objectionable material? Absolutely not. There were some items that I considered not just disagreeable, but profoundly repugnant.
I don't suppose this would be a contradiction,,,,,,,,,,just checking?
I must say that I have absolutely no respect for Bill O'Reilly
I've watched his show for about nine years now, so I think I can make a fair assessment of his agenda.
I took you nine years to come to this conclusion? If you don't like him ok, but to use the excuses you've used is intellectually dishonest. Did you really think after nine years BOR would had opined any other way. Or are you just pissed that he has exposed them for what they are, at the expense of candidates that support/take marching orders from?
Thanks, g c... that's
August 13, 2007 - 00:48 ET by JerThanks, g c...
that's fair criticism. But I don't believe I've contradicted myself. My point was this: O'Reilly has repeatedly labeled DailyKos a "hate" site, even comparing it to the KKK and Nazis. But while I did indeed come across some objectionable material, and a few items that were "profoundly repugnant" to me, those instances were extremely rare, especially when considered in relationship to the overall content at the site. Let's be honest: One could sift through the archives of NewsBusters, pluck out a few examples of real nastiness, and then falsely claim that it represented the pervasive tone of the site. That would be completely unfair...a shameful distortion, yet I believe it is precisely what O'Reilly has done. [Did you read the article I linked? If not, please do so. It's only one page , so it will only take a couple of minutes.]
Regarding your second point: No, it did not require the entire nine years to reach my conclusions concerning O'Reilly. My opinion has developed over the course of that period of time during which I have been a regular viewer of "The Factor" (and this conclusion continues to be confirmed as I continue to watch his show). I simply wanted to make it clear that mine was not just a second-hand knee-jerk reaction by someone who never even tunes in to O'Reilly--a criticism that I frequently hear from his defenders.
Finally, if any candidate took "marching orders" from a group with whom I disagreed resulting in the adoption of significant political positions to which I objected, then I would not be supporting that candidate.
Anyway, I appreciate your comments.
Jer
Noel: The article
August 12, 2007 - 00:25 ET by stratmanNoel:
The article entitled "The Implosion of DKos Will Not Be Televised" by Bill in Portland Maine that you referenced is exactly what I have learned to expect from DKos. Ignoring the grammatical errors on Bill's part, made even more pathetic because he lectured you on your alledged errors, the article is chock full of adolescent scatological humor wrapped around haughty diatribe in a woefully aborted attempt to appear kitschy (though sure to curry the adoration of the Liberal fringe). As the saying goes, there is someone out there for everyone, even the "out there" Mr. Bill.
Much of what I needed to know about Moulitsas' brand of political activism can be understood in the imagery evoked by two words derived from your post: Berkeley Democrat.
From time to time I go to ZombieTime.com to check the pulse of the fanatic Left and steel my political resolve. The photos are like looking at a multi-car freeway accident scanning the wreckage for "gore" even though you want to look away, while the text provides comic relief. One of the events listed is a panel discussion in which Moulitsas participates, complete with transcripts, photos, and audio. Of course Moulitsas participates in this type of forum, where participants and audience members are supportive and the topics scripted. The first comment is from Moulitsas who demonizes Republican's helping people to vote:
The site administrator comments insightfully:
If only MSM would report to the country the events that ZombieTime covers (Warning - disgusting displays of activism and ugly naked Liberals), even just a fraction, then a sizable number of "on the fence" voters would have less difficulty making decisions. I also wonder if Nancy Pelosi would be the Majority Leader were the public aware.
I hope you do get the opportunity to debate Moulitsas. That would be TV worth watching! Too bad he does not have the cojones for a "fair" fight.
Killing them with kindness isn't working. Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.
Alas, I don't see him
August 12, 2007 - 00:28 ET by bigtimerAlas, I don't see him doing it. He'd have everything to lose, and nothing to gain. ns
LOL....
...Says it all right there.... does it not Noel?
....'nuff said.
National elections are
August 11, 2007 - 20:46 ET by MidAmericaNational elections are decided by whose voters stay home. That's one of the reasons why negative campaigning works. In 2006 voters didn't turn to the democrats. Republican voters were dissapointed in their national leaders and stayed home.
Richard Nixon called these potential voters The Silent Majority. His campaign motivated and got them to the polls and he won in a landslide against the very same type pinko liberals as the kos kids.
Sooooo
August 11, 2007 - 21:48 ET by Cape Conservativelet's make sure the "Silent Majority" is silent no more!!! I believe our showing last month re: the immigration bill has them thinking!
Withholding your vote will ensure a Democrat victory - I will vote for the Republican who wins the primaries, regardless of whether it is my first choice or not!
Same here CC! Same
August 11, 2007 - 21:53 ET by bigtimerSame here CC!
Same here...
House and Senate are spooky enough on top of losing the WH.
Border Patrol
August 12, 2007 - 00:48 ET by Cool ArrowCan we get the border patrol to guard the polling booths?
Would that the Republicans
August 11, 2007 - 22:41 ET by Scout Finchcould see this and actually act like true conservative Republicans. Is it just me, or does it seem like the vast majority of Americans are just waiting out there for true conservatives to act like true conservatives? Most polls seem to raise W's numbers when he's assertive and takes no flak from liberals. Perhaps I inhabit some sort of parallel universe.............yeah, I guess so.
"Going Kos" for the condition beyond insane.
August 11, 2007 - 22:58 ET by Lame CherryI about start laughing every time I think of Jeff Rense featuring that Kos is a CIA controlled front of the opposition (Opposition to Bush I think he means, but with Bush's numbers so low I can't figure out why the CIA would need to control the opposition.), but then I see this cheese eating picture of the Greek Boy Marcos and wonder if the CIA is an idiot in him and a glamour puss like Val Plame.
I so hope that Kos is the face of "main stream" voters which the MSM and Democrats feature. I hope they keep saying it and welding themselves to it.......I hope Allah Gore, Hillary Hamrod and Osama Obama all give it a big french kiss, so the ads will all be filled with the kook, foul mouthed and illiterate blogs that are liberal sites.
It will be so wonderful to see the blogs attacking Jews, the blogs hating the military, the blogs of Lee Woodruff giving Penthouse to pedophiles and lurkers and the favorites of white women stealing black men to help destroy the black culture.
I can hardly wait for the caption, "Hello I am Harold Ford. I hate Jews but I love white women and my hobbies are enabling pedophiles and leaving Martin Luther King in my rearview mirror as I am the new voice of American in John Ridley racism, Lee Woodruff sexual psychopathy, Bill Maher f mouthed words and Steven Webber doped out ramblings.
Death to America and Death to you Americans who do not agree with the DNCKos."
Democrats are setting themselves up for a monumental defeat in this and other issues I have been warning about. The bloggers who are insane now are going to have to have a new word for beyond crazy in what they will do loosing in 2008.
Perhaps "Going Kos" will be the new diagnsosis of Dr. Mona to liberal wackos.
I like that, "Going Kos" for the condition beyond insane.
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i dont understand it but...
August 11, 2007 - 23:30 ET by Paul GI think the dems are like the reps..we lost in 06 becuz we didnt think<knew> the reps we had in congress were not the reps we elected in the 90's. I for one dont consider me as a far right looney republican, I want to think of me as a level headed American. Yes, the left has Kos, but the right has Rush. There are more of us than them <I hope> . soooo.. keep our chins up...and VOTE in 08
soooo.. keep our chins
August 11, 2007 - 23:40 ET by bigtimersoooo.. keep our chins up...and VOTE in 08
Will do Paul...no problem...just hope the rest of us do.
Psssst... Markos... C'mere...
August 11, 2007 - 23:52 ET by Mike BrattonYou're out of your league, Markos.
Harold will mop the floor with you.
Granted, his family tree isn't anything to write home about, but he knows his stuff. When Mr. Ford ran for the U.S. Senate in Tennessee, it wouldn't have been the end of the world had he won. He's far from being a dyed-in-the-wool liberal Democrat, and he can tell you why he believes what he believes.
Oh, and he doesn't need a spell-check, an online thesaurus, and/or a Google toolbar to get the job done.
As the saying goes, be afraid. Be very afraid.
--Mike
www.thebrattonreport.com
I think any outcome of this
August 12, 2007 - 07:26 ET by rob6677I think any outcome of this "debate" will be just great.
If it wasn't bad enough already that the dems create so many "issues" that should be overlooked in a time of war, they now start fighting from within.
I thought there whole basis was reciting preprogrammed responses to everything (Al Gore even has the voice for it) because they can't get enough support by stating individual thoughts or opinions. One can only hope the programming is showing it's flaws and will soon fail. (Blue Screen Of Death)
"I may be crazy, but at least I'm not stupid" ME
}}---> BSOD
August 12, 2007 - 07:43 ET by Cool ArrowFord better be careful. The Dems snubbed him last week in favor of a two extremely Left Wing causes, and now they are seeking to regain some legitimacy from the base. My opinion is that Russert is being controlled by Hillary and she wants to trot out a "home grown" African American who is not a threat to her candidacy.
I've got the DVR set up just in case I nod off.
... always a danger.
August 12, 2007 - 08:52 ET by dahliatravers... always a danger.
}}---> When Harold met Marcos
August 12, 2007 - 08:56 ET by Cool ArrowI just watched the debate and think Markos mopped the floor with Ford from a Democrat standpoint.
Ford was so busy agreeing with Kosman it looked positively suckuppish.
That said, this bodes well for Republicans.
The Meet The Press
August 12, 2007 - 10:14 ET by Gat New YorkThe Meet The Press appearance was pretty uneventful, but there was one zinger from Ford to that little Hitler (and he is). He even tries to wear his hair that way. Reminds me of the Boys from Brazil.
Ford remarked about horrible commentary that exists on DailyKos including posts filled with “awful things about Jewish people” – Ford did not say Israel. He specifically said against Jewish people.
Markos’ immediate response was “it’s about democracy – if you don’t like regular people . . “
So people who hate Jews are “regular people.” Sounds a lot like Hitler to me.
Caught that towards the
August 12, 2007 - 13:07 ET by BlazerCaught that towards the end Gat, also liked the zinger from Kos to Ford " Bush hating didn't get you re-elected in 2006".
I am a little perplexed as to why the Clintonistas in the media dont' just trot him on the air, and clean his pipes, being the Kossacks are far from being Hillary friendly. Instead it seems everyone from the DNC to the MSM are too busy kissing his posterior, and doing puff pieces on him.
Kos loves the limelight, and the attention he has been recieving. I hope come the real debates between the Gop, and the DNC that the Republican frontrunner has the cajones to call out the Democrat who has payed homage to Kos, and his guilded cage.
I disagree with the earlier poster above who says it isn't the norm over at The DKOS, as far as it being rife with hate filled posts, and moonbattery. DKOS is a hate site, albeit lately Markos has been trying to church it up a little. See if any Kossack will humor an opposing viewpoint like we do over here at NB, with our resident trolls, and see how long you last until your banned. They dont' take well over there to any dillution in their Kool-Aid.
You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
It just gets better and
August 13, 2007 - 02:10 ET by rob6677It just gets better and better as they get nuttier and nuttier. I just hope it progresses until election time, so the few that are undecided can make a simple choice between sanity and retardation.
"I may be crazy, but at least I'm not stupid" ME
Well I watched this tripe
August 12, 2007 - 12:59 ET by bigtimerWell I watched this tripe today...
It wasn't a debate...it was a LOVEFEST!
A pathetic one at that!
Loved how in the end they would both be there for each other....next year that is....
Yeah..and the check is in the mail too....
LMAO!
Meet Digress
August 12, 2007 - 19:34 ET by CrashTune in next week when Fred Thompson goes head to head with Ann Coulter. The guest moderator will be Bill Bennett.