Ex-Clinton Official Ties Minneapolis Bridge Collapse to Global Warming

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A former member of the Clinton administration, and current Senior Fellow at the virtual Clinton think tank the Center for American Progress, claimed Monday that global warming might have played a factor in the collapse of the I-35W bridge in Minneapolis last week.

I kid you not.

Writing at Climate Progress, the global warming blog of CAP, Joseph Romm - who served as Acting Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Department of Energy in 1997 and as Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary from 1995 though 1998 - stated in a piece amazingly entitled "Did Climate Change Contribute To The Minneapolis Bridge Collapse?" (emphasis added throughout):

I was skeptical at first, but after doing a Google search - and after NBC reported Sunday that National Transportation Safety Board investigators are "looking at everything" including "the weather" - I think it is a legitimate question to ask.

Keep your seatbelts fastened, for it got better:

Melissa Hortman of the Minnesota House of Representatives "speculated that 90-plus-degree heat Wednesday and the above-normal temperatures of the past two summers may have been a contributing factor," and said "You wonder if this bridge was built to withstand the massive heat we have had this summer." Or even if it was built to withstand heat, whether its structural deficiencies undermined the design integrity to a point where heat contributed to the collapse.

[...]

Some may object to even asking the question, "Did climate change contribute to the Minneapolis bridge collapse?" My guess is those are the same people who deny that global warming is caused by humans or that it is a serious problem - the same people who inevitably say "we can adapt to whatever climate change there is."

But, in my experience, those "adapters" are actually not interested in finding out what the impacts of global warming are. The Bush administration has blocked research into the impact of climate change on this country and muzzled climate scientists from discussing key climate impact issues, such as the connection between global warming and the recent increase in intense Atlantic hurricanes - which is obviously a central adaptation issue.

By the way, for those that have forgotten, CAP is the group headed by former Clinton Chief of Staff John Podesta which in June outlined a Democrat assault on conservative talk radio. But I digress:

Those who argue against strong action today to reduce greenhouse gas emissions - the adapters who are essentially saying to climate change, "Bring it on!" - cannot criticize those who then ask the obvious adaptation question - how will climate change impact this country and its infrastructure?

Certainly climate change will have the biggest infrastructure impact on our coastal cities, water and sewage systems, levees, and electric grid. But given that a remarkable 70,000 other bridges in the country are also structurally deficient, we should seek to learn whether such troubled bridges can take the ever-growing stresses generated by global warming. We need to be as prepared as possible for a changed climate - as the Center for American Progress has previously argued. Indeed, if the adapters have their way in blocking serious efforts aimed at prevention, we'll need to be prepared for the very worst.

Absolutely unbelievable.

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Wait a minute. Am I missing

Wait a minute. Am I missing something? Fire can't melt steel, according to Rosie Dumbass, but 90 degree weather can? Geez, these people really are dumb.

Btw, at least we're moving

Btw, at least we're moving up. We are not "deniers" anymore, we're "adapters". 

Malleable - melt - malleable - melt - ... what the hey?

They are just words ya know.

Any old word in a storm.

Of course steel can't melt, burn or stuff.

Ah, when the old forge of Odin's slave was workin'

ACA 

...

Quoted from:  'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)

"Of course steel can't

"Of course steel can't melt, burn or stuff."

Ah, I've taken a torch to many a steel pipe and beam that wished that was true. Some of these idiots (Rosie in particular) are so stupid, too stupid to know how stupid they are. See, they have me ranting again. :>/

No doubt they built the

No doubt they built the bridge with special cold-weather steel. I'll be glad to sell the Minnesota government a special insulating paint that keeps the heat out and will protect the rest of their bridges. Only $50 a gallon, and the Home Depot label is just camouflage to keep my neighbors from stealing it.

You know, you could make

You know, you could make alot more. $50 a CAN, and never mind that Rustoleum label.

Well..

Yes, but I try not to be greedy. I'm willing to forego a share of my profits as a public service to the people of Minnesota.

The more I think about this the sadder it seems. People are simply making assertions now, and demand that they be taken seriously. Logic is unnecessary and proof out of the question.

Sadly, logic is out the

Sadly, logic is out the window. There is, after all, an agenda that needs tending to.

Ta-da!!

I worked on this overnight, and have come up with a new formula for heat-blocking paint. I call it "BEHR" -- Bridge Exterior, Heat Resistant. And the $50/gal price is good through the end of the week, or $45/gal if you buy in 5-gal containers. I even have had labels made up, and it's available in a variety of colors....

Painting the bridge? I

Painting the bridge? I dunno, that sounds like an awful lot of work. Wouldn't be easier to just blame it on climate change and spend billions of dollars trying to make it 1 degree cooler over the next century?

*****

"Some people have a way with words. Other people, er, I don't know. Not have way, I guess." - Steve Martin 

The bridge was filled with over loaded trucks hauling AC UNITS

 Soo what if there was TONS OF additional paving materal, overloading the bridge. Run for your lives it's planet fever.

Entitlement over infrastructure every SINGLE time.

 

Yeah, I like the fact that

Yeah, I like the fact that there have been accusations that the money for infrastructure is being wasted on entitliments. I wish the Repubs would run with that. I don't know if it is any more relevant, but the libs don't care about accuracy anyway. It sounds just as reasonable as blaming it on the war in Iraq. Now, if we can just get the media to play along....

No new roads in Hawaii in 30 years ,yet welfare moms get paid.

 CV may mention a new road in Hilo just finished (3 miles) . Entitlements sadly pay a bigger and bigger part in "BUY THE VOTE". It works .

Entitlement over infrastructure every SINGLE time.

 

Why the mention of

Why the mention of hurricanes? We had one active summer which was two years ago. Last year was just well nothing. Also there was that article about how they classify storms has changed in 2001 I think. Lastly, this year has been pretty quiet, no major hurricanes from what I've heard.

Dimbulb democrat speculation

So some moron tree hugging left wing wacko reports on some kookball demolib state legislature babbling SPECULATION, and the discussion is over.

 "So and such pure driven goodness angelic demolib speculated about global warming bridge collapse, and now I'll speculate, being the idiot moron reporter with no facts other than speculative demo rhetoric I completely and wholeheartedly agree with considering my mainstream knowledge and belief system, unencumbered by hard right lunatic fringe rantings from the base of the entire republican party demon guild of earthly armageddonic destruction desired from a faux foxnews-like christianty..."

 Ok, so I embellished a bit, but I quite understand the kookball moron lib "unbiased" reporter wanted to say it.

 BTW with 7 billion dollars going toward investigating global warming catastrophic affects on the USA and the world scooped out of the NASA budget and who knows where and what else, the big fat lie about Bush banning (blocked) the research was a nice touch. Gasbag kookball fudgemonkey CRAP.

 When a freak demolib (all of them ) opens their piehole lie after lie spews forth, I can't even fathom counting them anymore. They should just shut up, I am so sick of their baseless, factless, hairbrained speculations and outright lies they base on their senseless and incorrect partisan jackass opinion they pull straight out of their doped up skulls.

Joseph Romm Dum Bass Degree from Dum Bass U

Would I ever love to debate this graduate of Dum Bass U to expose him with common sense.

Common sense 1 if "climate change" brought this bridge down why are not the 4 other bridges like it or the thousands across Minnesota older not falling into the creeks.

Common sense 2 if "climate change" brought down the bridge why is it other much older buildings in Minnesota from Court Houses to historic homes are not falling down.......as you know bridges do not have the extremes houses do in being 80 degress inside while it is 20 below outside.

Common sense 3, Paul Douglas is the resident WCCO weather boy and contrary to the the NTSB, Minnesota in Minneapolis has been very mild the past years. It has been quite balmy in fact with Douglas last year whining about no snow for his snowmobile. Minneapolis does not get that cold like the Canadian border regions.

Common sense 4, this bridge when it fell HAD BOTH MAIN STRUCTURES COLLAPSE. It fell evenly and there is no logical reason for it to have behaved perfectly. It should have twisted and sagged and yet one side dropped and the other end of this section dropped only at a slightly higher angle. That is not infrastructure nor climate change. That is something man made.

Ask yourself, what are the odds of 2 massive steel welded and bolted beams on opposite sides of a bridge breaking at the same moment? What are the odds of there not being any twisting and only a perfect unison break?

2 beams rusting exactly, all those bolts rusting through exactly the same, 2 beams cracking exactly and giving out at the same time for a perfectly level plunge.

I did see though a black Minnesotans on television state he heard 'a rumbling like a truck" and looked up and saw "puffs of" smoke or dust come out of the bridge in spots and then it fell.

Steel does not make puffs of anything and concrete only becomes dust when it is pulverized. A bridge should not be making noises like a truck as it was not moving.

I detest bringing these accounts up, because an Alex Jones or Jeff Rense type will make another neocon event out of this, but what is being stated by liberals and the NTSB currently does not match known video. The left side of the bridge behaved as it should have in slumping down as did the right in collapsing without the section which fell away to hold the other sections up. The main section though went down too perfectly.

This was a crappy Minnesota designed bridge for looks and not use or safety. If someone took out a section exactly the way it was taken out, you would get the exact results. One side cut off so that side collapses and the other side linked and pulling the other sides down.

The bridge is down and that is a fact. That section fell too perfectly to be against the odds of rust, climate change, crappy design, shoddy steel chance ratio. The NTSB had better be looking for things which do no make sense as this bridge does not make sense.

 

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I heard this morning on the

I heard this morning on the radio that the construction workers who were paving the bridge road surface said:  the bridge was wobbling when they were on it.  And each day they milled off more of the old road deck the bridge would wobble more.  Then on top of that literally were dump trucks with stone.  Sounds like the bridge was so decrepit in the first place that the concrete road deck was the only thing holding the whole thing together, so when the contractor milled off the old concrete it was like taking away the horizontal supports for the structure.  This leads me to believe that after 40 years of salting the road surface, the steel rebar in the structural concrete support for the decking rusted out and the whole structure lost its rigidity to support weight. 

Only an idiot would claim global warming or the Iraq war.  This was plain and simple the failure of bridge inspectors recognizing the full extent of deterioration.  While the road maintenance contractor may bear some of the blame for having loaded dump trucks on the bridge, they could not have possibly forseen this type of event as normal structural integrity of any bridge does not reside in the road bed itself but the underlying structure (steel and steel reinforced concrete) that supports the bed.  If that were not the case then the State of MN is guilty of incompetence by hiring someone to replace the road bed because inherently, one must remove something to replace it.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

If salt was a factor, and

If salt was a factor, and since salt is only used to remove snow and ice from the road... then it seems that global warming is actually needed to help save our bridges.

*****

"Some people have a way with words. Other people, er, I don't know. Not have way, I guess." - Steve Martin

Lame Cherry, please, in the

Lame Cherry, please, in the future, refrain from degrading the Bass. All tho they are just fish, they have told me they resent being compared with the likes of Joseph Romm. By the way, wasent Romm the nazi in charge of one of the occupied countries during WW II?

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

If what I am hearing is

If what I am hearing is correct, I would say, off hand, that the load the construction crews had placed onto the bridge was a factor. Bridges are primilarly designed for dynamic loads, with a static load factor for traffic jams and such. If the equipment and supplies stored on the bridge was concentrated in one area, then it could have been a factor in the collapse. The static load capicity of the bridge is not designed for prolonged periods of time (days-weeks).

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

You said.  "much older

You said.  "much older buildings in Minnesota from Court Houses to historic homes are not falling down....."

I did have a 160 year old creole cottage that was having trouble and might eventually fall down because of man. But it wasn't because of the climate. It was because of the EPA,

We had a nasty criter called the formosan termite. Does way more damage than native termites. And hard to get rid of. They were destroying old buildings.

EPA decided the treatment that worked wasn't environmentally friendly. And banned it.

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

Kermit

1) John Podesta.  Isn't he the guy who reminds you of Kermit the Frog, and when he talks his mouth moves just like a sock puppet?

 2) And are you really surprised that someone from the left would say something so stupid about what caused this bridge to go down?

My favorite part is

My favorite part is this:

The Bush administration has blocked research into the impact of climate change on this country and muzzled climate scientists from discussing key climate impact issues,

Yes, I know, these people are just ridiculed all the time and told to shut up. They are like those people you see on TV day in and day out, and read everywhere, constantly complaining that they are being silenced.

The only thing missing from the article is a recap of the remedies the Clinton administration had in place, which would have saved the bridge, but were cut by Bush.

Global Warming Deadline

Well.. one benefit of a democRAT victory in '08 is that 'Global Warming' will cease to exist.

You're kidding, right?

Global Warming will not go away when democrats are in charge.  It will saturate our lives.  Every disaster will prompt new legislation to further control our lives.  We will be forced to pay through the nose for any food we buy that was not locally grown, to compensate for the "carbon credits" the companies will have to purchase.  We'll have to replace all the bulbs in our homes.  We'll have a choice between $5/gal gas or driving a metal rollerskate around.  We'll have to add monthly fees for carbon credits to our budgets, or watch our taxes increase to pay for them.

It won't happen day 1, or even year 1.  But it will happen...assuming the Republicans lose their spines again along with the election.

}}---> Vanishing Global Warming

I think GW will pretty much go away with a Dem President.

Remember all the homeless people the MSM threw up in Elder Bush's face before Clinton's election?  Where were these homeless people after Clinton got elected?

GW as a topic won't go

GW as a topic won't go away, but if a Dem wins the White House in '08, I predict that curiously, around 2012, we will start to hear about how the tide is starting to turn on global warming, but that we can't change course now... there's still more that we all need to do, like drive a metal roller skate. (Good one, Trelana!)

*****

"Some people have a way with words. Other people, er, I don't know. Not have way, I guess." - Steve Martin

Dems and GW

Additionally, I don't think Hillary will welcome Al Gore as a dominant force in her world.  Too much bad blood there.

You are right. Homelessness,

You are right. Homelessness, starving children, global warming, etc. are only 'problems' when a Republican is in charge.

Also teen smoking went away

Also teen smoking went away durnig Bubba's term.

Either teens stopped smoking. Or all the people who pretended to care actually didn't. 

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

Road Salt

HAving lived in that part of the country for several years in the '70s, I can tell you that 90-degrees in the summer is far from unusual!  IMHO the most likely culprits are the fatigue caused by EXTEAM COLD durint the winter, when steel gets brittle and more likely to stress crack.  Combine this with the overuse of ROAD SALT and you have a corrosion control nightmare. 

 Does anyone remember the highway bridge in CT that collapsed back in the '80s because the support pins had rusted out due to salt corrosion?  I think this is more of the same, but the BDS moonbats just can't let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory!

 

THERE AIN"T NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH!

MslMan742

Bush's Contabulous Fraptraption

When it was intially reported that it was an 4.0 earthquake, I thought; great, now they'll say that Bush has an 'earthquake machine'. No doubt to complement the 'hurricane machine' he used on New Orleans...

If it's due to road salt,

If it's due to road salt, that means it's due to this planet being too-cold anyway. This Floridian is with the Russians, bring on global warming, especially in the winters.
JMR

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I could use a little

I could use a little global or local cooling from June till mid october. I'll send some of my heat up north. 

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

Move on, GW nuts

They way they talk about 90 degree weather in Minnesota as though it's something freakish, you'd think the city was located in Antarctica.  Recent summers may have been warmer than average, but hardly unusual.  I am a native of Minneapolis and live only about 120 miles away just over the state line in Iowa.  If the weather in Minneapolis was that stinkin' extreme, it would have been major news around here.  Global warming fanatics, move on.  There's nothing here for you.

When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.

If it was going to fall

If it was going to fall apart because of the weather. Iit should have done so 18 years ago. Or in the 30's. Temp history

They keep obsessing about tempertures over 90. Our daily highs go over 90 by early may. And stay there into october. Every blue moon concrete buckels. But if bridges were to fall apart because of 90+ we shouldn't have any bridges left.

Out of curiosity. Did they use light weight concrete in the construction of that bridge. That did give us trouble.

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

I-35W, not I-35

Noel, in the interests of accuracy, it's I-35W, not I-35.  If you travel north to the Twin Cities on I-35, the highway splits into 35W and 35E on the south side of the Metro and comes together again on the north side.

NK

NK,

Thank you. ns

I actually enjoy seeing

I actually enjoy seeing articles like this. Even though there are plenty of people who will follow anything said to advance the alarmist view, there are also plenty of people with half a brain or more who are still deciding what they think. Articles like this expose the ignorance and arrogance of the alarmist movement. I say keep them coming and eventually they will be preaching to a very small and shrinking choir.

Good grief, I thought Bush

Good grief, I thought Bush did it..........Now what am I going to do with these bumper stickers?

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It wasn't the Bulgarian Government?

MAYBE MINNESOTA SHOULD TAKE SOME OF THE BLAME...

I believe that Minnesota is at fault much the same way New Oreleans is at fault with levee spending. We in Minnesota received plenty of money for transportion, & we put it into Lite Rail Transit, not our roads & bridges. New Oreleans & LA got loads of money for levees since the 50's, but we all know much of that money was spent on other pet projects & or was stolen.

I have heard/read people say the war funding would be better spent here- yeah, right...I have heard/read people mention a billion dollar stadium project for the Minnesota Twins in regard to spending. This is idiotic, now I opposed the stadium but for different reasons, but this line of thought is moronic.

However, I can tie these 2 things together. Back in the day, the Twin Cities had a very nice San Francisco style streetcar system, late 50's, early 60's time frame, & those older then me I have talked to about this remember the old streetcars & thought it worked well. The system was eventually sold to private interests, one of them was Carl Pohlad, the very same Carl Pohlad who owns the Minnesota Twins, who has been fighting with the state to build the Twins a new ballpark, buy any means nessessary. The state gov't finally approved his new stadium in the last few months.

So some blame Minnesota on spending it's money on a Twins ballpark instead of our roads,highways & bridges. Others like me blame the fact that we got enough money, but put into the wrong transportation projects to begin with. And the ignorant blame spending our money on this "illegal" so called "war on terror".

As a Minnesotan, I blame the fact that we got plenty of money, we just spent it on Lite Rail so the social engineers can be happy & try to force everyone off of our roads & highways.

"A goverment big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away"        Barry Goldwater

pigeon s***

Several years back the I35 Bridge over the Missouri River in KC (aka Paseo Bridge) had a section that dropped several feet causing the closing of this major thoroughfare.  It was determined that the cause of the failure was corrosion caused by years of pigeon droppings from nesting birds (http://www.bizjourna...).  By the libs (ill) logic perhaps we need to exterminate all pigeons so this will never happen again.

Poisoning Pigeons In The Park

Ah, the great Tom Lehrer...
JMR

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Heh heh. That song actually

Heh heh. That song actually came up on my iPod yesterday. Such a warm, upbeat song with dark, sometimes cruel lyrics. It's beautiful... always makes me laugh!

*****

"Some people have a way with words. Other people, er, I don't know. Not have way, I guess." - Steve Martin

Yeah, it was a part of my

Yeah, it was a part of my childhood, and I was pleased to discover someone with sufficient time on his hands had done the obvious & combined it with flash. That whole album is funny!
JMR

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Poisoning the Pigeons

Ha!  One of our Scouts (who sings with local theater groups) did a GREAT rendition of that around the campfire last month.   It was a big hit with the boys.   :^>

 

Maybe they are making the

Maybe they are making the I35 bridges on the cheap, talk about conspiracies

Stick to what you know.

Romm:  Hmm. Stick to what you know.

Good advice, Joe.  Take it.  You're not an engineer, and you even cite a Brit engineer as saying that high temperature is not likely the cause for the collapse of the bridge -- he stuck to what HE knows; you disregarded it.

Romm: Greenland didn’t used to be green. Sorry, that’s just a myth.

Tell that to the descendents of the Norse settlers of Greenland, who managed to farm there for over 400 hundred years.  They raised cattle and sheep on Greenland -- livestock that requires a lot of grass to consume.  But little could the Norse know that they arrived in Greenland just as the Little Ice Age was encroaching from the north, ultimately dooming their two major settlements.  The cooling climate shortened the growing season for crops and grasses.  (For more info on the Norse in Greenland, read COLLAPSE by Jared Diamond, who by the way happens to be a GW advocate).

Romm:  To believe that 6 billion people have no impact on the global climate — when all the scientific evidence says otherwise — is myopia of the highest order.

The skeptics don't dismiss the possibility of 6 billion people impacting climate; they dismiss the certainty declared by the GWers that people are the principal cause of climate change. If you want an example of myopia, you need look no further than your assumption that the Minneapolis bridge collapsed because of global warming, dismissing more logical possibilities such as materiel fatigue, structural errors, poor maintenance, and even the added weight of some 10 tons of construction materials staged on the bridge for repairs.  Your own myopia leads you to dismiss the judgment of an engineer and rely on your own reach the conclusion that you want.  There's nothing scientific about your reasoning, Joe.   

}}---> Political footballs.

The difference between Dems and us is that we react quickly to documented and declared threat while Dems are adept at conjuring ghost stories.   Global Warming, Right wing conspiracy, Ethanol salvation, War diverted highway funds...

They'll tell us what could've been done after the fact, and having done so, tax us for their failure to have any real precognitive ability.

Are these people for real?

I can't believe the absurdity espoused by these chuckleheads...

Chicken Little syndrome

I think that Joseph Romm and his alarmist peers should stop this knee-jerk  crying "It's global warming, it's global warming.” The public will get bored with this nonsense and stop listening. Not everything is caused by the mythical “global warming” fad. Don’t listen to the man behind the curtain (Al Gore).

Maybe, it's a good thing . . . .

Let 'em keep crying wolf as you suggested, FOTR, and for the very reason you cite.  The more they blame everything on GW, the more skeptical the public will become. 

Hold on folks, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

I seem to recall that Clinton held back a lot of funding, including the train rails and bridge infrastructure. Does anybody remember the train wrecks (literally and figuratively)? From what I've read that bridge was 10 years past it's expected life; which puts us back into to the buying short Clinton years. But hey, "they paid off the debt."

The only "warming"

... going on here is the lining of somebody's pockets that came into contact with whatever $$$ were "ear-marked" for the bridge's repairs.

Romm

Jocelyn Elders, Janet Reno, Joseph Romm. This was the caliber of people who ran the Clinton Administration.

Questions anyone?

Um, James Carville, The

Um, James Carville, The Forehead, Stephy, Val Plame(oh did i say that out loud, is she not "deep cover"?), Burglar, keep it goin' man, there is a whole tree (or maybe closet?) full of 'em...

We are to the point where EVERY DAY, I think I have seen the kookiest thing a dem hack could possibly, do,,,and then it hits me, they did one better! Where does the madness end with these people?

VT

These people have no conscience or shame that's why their madness will continue.

What were those Bridge Designers thinking!

What could those Bridge Designers be thinking not to account for a +0.24C increase in temperature over 40 years?

 

These collapses were obviously the result of Global Cooling:

The Koror-Babeldaob Bridge - September 1996

The Tacoma Narrows Bridge - November 1940

The Tay Bridge - December 1879

 

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The Thermal Properties of Steel

The Thermal Properties of Steel:

300°C (572°F) - Steel begins to weaken

1500°C (2732°F) - Steel Melts

It must get a lot hotter in Minnesota then we realize, apparently hot enough to burn people alive!

 

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global warming caused Lewinsky scandal, too

When that warm wind and moist air blew up under Clinton's desk in the Oval Office, he knew it was global warming. Now if only Hillary had believed him.

j17... ROFL... You are

j17...

ROFL...

You are on a roll tonight!

READ THIS:

http://www.startribu...

A decade ago ... As I wrote previously; 

Are U Saying?

Are you saying this isn't GEORGE BUSH'S fault, that it isn't GLOBAL WARMING'S fault?  This all started in BILL CLINTON'S administration?  And what has been the make up of Minn's congress, state & federal during those years?