On Sunday, NewsBusters reported a shocking discussion that ensued on "The Chris Matthews Show" wherein five liberal media members actually debated why America shouldn't withdraw its troops from Iraq.
Maybe more shocking, the following day, an op-ed was published in the New York Times claiming that "We are finally getting somewhere in Iraq, "morale is high," and, as a result, this is "a war we just might win."
Adding to the shock is that this piece was written by two members of the Brookings Institution, which even Wikipedia acknowledges is "widely regarded as being politically liberal." The authors - Michael O'Hanlon and Kenneth M. Pollack - described themselves as "two analysts who have harshly criticized the Bush administration's miserable handling of Iraq."
Not anymore. Better prepare yourself for an alternate reality (emphasis added throughout):
The Bush administration has over four years lost essentially all credibility. Yet now the administration's critics, in part as a result, seem unaware of the significant changes taking place.
Here is the most important thing Americans need to understand: We are finally getting somewhere in Iraq, at least in military terms. As two analysts who have harshly criticized the Bush administration's miserable handling of Iraq, we were surprised by the gains we saw and the potential to produce not necessarily "victory" but a sustainable stability that both we and the Iraqis could live with.
Shocking. But it got even better:
After the furnace-like heat, the first thing you notice when you land in Baghdad is the morale of our troops...Today, morale is high. The soldiers and marines told us they feel that they now have a superb commander in Gen. David Petraeus; they are confident in his strategy, they see real results, and they feel now they have the numbers needed to make a real difference.
And, the numbers speak for themselves:
[C]ivilian fatality rates are down roughly a third since the surge began - though they remain very high, underscoring how much more still needs to be done.
[...]
[T]hings look much better than before. American advisers told us that many of the corrupt and sectarian Iraqi commanders who once infested the force have been removed. The American high command assesses that more than three-quarters of the Iraqi Army battalion commanders in Baghdad are now reliable partners (at least for as long as American forces remain in Iraq).
Amazing, wouldn't you agree. Yet, the best was still to come:
In war, sometimes it's important to pick the right adversary, and in Iraq we seem to have done so. A major factor in the sudden change in American fortunes has been the outpouring of popular animus against Al Qaeda and other Salafist groups, as well as (to a lesser extent) against Moktada al-Sadr's Mahdi Army.
These groups have tried to impose Shariah law, brutalized average Iraqis to keep them in line, killed important local leaders and seized young women to marry off to their loyalists. The result has been that in the last six months Iraqis have begun to turn on the extremists and turn to the Americans for security and help. The most important and best-known example of this is in Anbar Province, which in less than six months has gone from the worst part of Iraq to the best (outside the Kurdish areas). Today the Sunni sheiks there are close to crippling Al Qaeda and its Salafist allies. Just a few months ago, American marines were fighting for every yard of Ramadi; last week we strolled down its streets without body armor.
Maybe most shocking, the authors, almost speaking directly to dovish Democrats in Congress as well as those running for president, concluded:
How much longer should American troops keep fighting and dying to build a new Iraq while Iraqi leaders fail to do their part? And how much longer can we wear down our forces in this mission? These haunting questions underscore the reality that the surge cannot go on forever. But there is enough good happening on the battlefields of Iraq today that Congress should plan on sustaining the effort at least into 2008.
How extraordinary to read this in the New York Times.
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.





















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July 30, 2007 - 10:24 ET by BacchusTwo more al Ameriki tribes join The Awakening, al Brookings and al Hardballs.
How much longer should
July 30, 2007 - 10:24 ET by dscottHow much longer should American troops keep fighting and dying to build a new Iraq while Iraqi leaders fail to do their part?
The Surge is working, grumble, grumble, grumble, But, but, but, the Iraqi parliment is not singing Kumbaya like the Dems so we still failed, it's a failure we tell you, you must believe us that Iraq is a failure. We were right, Bush was wrong... <sarcasm>
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane"
An Iraq cartoon
July 30, 2007 - 10:27 ET by sarcasmoAn Iraq cartoon almost-nobody's going to like. But their politicians have apparently agreed on the real threat: Porn.
JMR
I wonder if that's why our
July 30, 2007 - 10:39 ET by dscottI wonder if that's why our Congress will also be going on break next Friday for a month???? How many appropriation bills did they finish?? I also have to wonder the cartoon also insinuates the reason why there is a drop in violence is because of the heat not the Surge?? Sounds like the pot is calling the kettle black, good old lib tactic of PROJECTION.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane"
I only saw politicians, not
July 30, 2007 - 10:44 ET by sarcasmoI only saw politicians, not violence, in the cartoon, but I certainly hope summer's heat helps keep violence down. Regardless, though, Iraq remains 3 countries, not one. The only way to keep it one is the way Saddam did -- widespread fear of a large, very-brutal government.
JMR
Simpleton logic. What
July 30, 2007 - 10:55 ET by In ExcessSimpleton logic.
What will work in Iraq is rule of LAW.
By your 'logic', any Iragi who moves to another country in Europe or America wouldn't know how to live with a smaller, non-brutal government.
Where did I say that. Iraq
July 30, 2007 - 10:57 ET by sarcasmoWhere did I say that. Iraq is 3 countries. Period. Rule of LAW is quite rare there. Try another creative strawman.
JMR
I only disagree with your
July 30, 2007 - 11:14 ET by In ExcessI only disagree with your last sentence of your original post.
Rule of law might be rare, but more importantly, it hasn't been given a chance yet. In time, I think it will work.
There are several groups of people of different beliefs that can live among each other without bloodshed in countries that are civilized. Not because they/we fear our very-brutal government.
My tax dollars have given it
July 30, 2007 - 11:17 ET by sarcasmoMy tax dollars have given it a longer chance than WW2. You guys just dislike the cartoon, which must mean it's a pretty damn good one. :)
JMR
Gee, sarky
July 30, 2007 - 11:24 ET by RJ"you guys just dislike the cartoon..."
Gee, sarky, for someone who goes all bristly when others impute sentiments to you, that's an odd statement..... ;^>
Pot, Kettle, Black, RJ. JMR
July 30, 2007 - 11:28 ET by sarcasmoPot, Kettle, Black, RJ.
JMR
show me, sarky
July 30, 2007 - 11:30 ET by RJReminds me of the old children's game: "duck, duck goose..." ;^>
P.S. I thought the cartoon was mildly amusing....
complimentary
July 30, 2007 - 15:05 ET by LionKingActually...I found the cartoon complimentary. Americans have true grit and stick to the task. No cut-N-run, in spite of the heat.
[A positive attitude is a positive thing.]
Nice dance step!
July 30, 2007 - 11:29 ET by In ExcessAll of my comments have only been in reference to your comment (The only way to keep it one is the way Saddam did -- widespread fear of a large, very-brutal government.), not about the cartoon.
Fine. I still stand by all
July 30, 2007 - 11:31 ET by sarcasmoFine. I still stand by all my words, because Iraq's still 3 countries.
JMR
Which of those three
July 30, 2007 - 13:27 ET by Hero SquadWhich of those three countries just won the Asian Cup?
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"Some people have a way with words. Other people, er, I don't know. Not have way, I guess.
sarc's head is up his a$$
July 30, 2007 - 14:56 ET by TruthMongersarc's head is up his a$$ as usual...
Iraq is 3 countries - so f-ing what?
America is 50 countries. And I'm still waiting for the rule of law to kick in here. How long do my tax dollars have to wait for that?
Iraq is better off than California:
http://victorhanson.com/articles/hanson041206.html
And I really wish Iraq was a state here right now - instead of say Vermont...or Hawaii maybe...?
Three countries, you mean
July 30, 2007 - 11:00 ET by dscottThree countries, you mean Sunni, Kurd and Shia? Multi-culturalism at its end result. The idea of partitioning Iraq is a canard for justifying a pull out. Sarc, you're smarter than that in falling for the lib defeatism. Like it or not, the groups have become so intertwined in their living accomodations and marriages that the simple minded liberal solution will not only fail but lead to mass bloodshed when they inevitably ethinically cleanse an area to achieve such a partition. Tell us Sarc, what will happen to the children of the mixed parentage? Do they all need to be killed off to achieve this ethnically pure partition? Or shall we decide that the kids belong to the religion or race of one parent and what if the neighbors don't agree? Will it be acceptable to you if they hack off their heads?
Wasn't one Bosnia enough for you? Or was that somehow acceptable because Clinton was in office? I know you weren't a Clinton supporter, but please think about what you are advocating.
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane"
I don't need any "canard,"
July 30, 2007 - 11:15 ET by sarcasmoI don't need any "canard," it's reality. The defeat was when we got involved instead of taking Dave Barry's advice (or mine from the '80s, when the dictator was our "friend") and cheaply getting rid of Saddam. If there is division, will bad things still happen? Yep. But not as many. And the idea that I accepted Clinton's idiocy in Bosnia is as blinkered as the idea that I accept Bush's in Iraq, ok? I'm a problem for both, so people can't exactly use partisan crutches in their arguments without me knockin' 'em out from under you, because having consistent principles is occasionally convenient that way...
And can someone here please give me a coherent, measurable definition for either "victory" or "defeat," aside from total taxpayer bankruptcy & collapse of the US dollar?
JMR
Sarc, I had thought much better of you than the 3 country stuff.
July 30, 2007 - 11:19 ET by acaiguanaAccording to this concept Kurds cannot live peacefully without brutal oppression, like say, gassing them?
And according to this logic, slightly different sects of any religion must need brutal oppression to make them behave?
And according to this logic, Iraqis are just not fit for any implementation of Democracy that would provide a platform for the honest and open exchange of ideas; particularly political ideas that might simply transcend the brutal oppression of Saddam's past.
My take is that due to Saddam's historic solution based on the need to keep the Iraqis in brutal poverty; brutal ignorance; brutal prisons and brutal death squads are the biggest barriers to Democracy, not necessarily the idiocy of Mullahs preaching hate and oppression.
This argument is fundamental to an elitist POV on the behalf of the water carriers of the idea that Democracy just cannot work in the Middle East.
Israel has proven that not only can Democracy work in the desert of the Middle East, but also produce economic health without an Oil based revenue stream. Further, that Democracy may be the only vessle to carry a small country though in the midst of a greater antagonism historically than any internal Iraq political reality can impose on its own people.
So, I'm totally in disagreement with your assertion that Iraq is three countries when in fact it is not; Iraq is no more three countries than Texas as a State is a different country than New York or any other State.
Iraqis are ready for changes. They are sick and really tired of their historic political structures and although there are vicous factional fights going on; the surge is proving a rallying point for all sides to unite against the interloping Religous zealots trying to take over to wage Jiihad against the Great Satans of the West.
ACA
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Quoted from: 'Acaiguana Notes from the Bomb Shelter' (soon to be a movie at theaters near you)
1. Nope. According to this
July 30, 2007 - 11:27 ET by sarcasmo1. Nope. According to this concept "genocide (ask the Kurds if that's happened) sometimes gets you a country where there wasn't one before." Seems there's ample nearby precedent...
2. I didn't say that, stick with my words.
3. We're not doing any better on ideas than we were on military strategy back when everyone here was defending a failed (and now admittedly-failed) military strategy. These people want to be separate states for a while. That will allow for smaller governments IMO.
4. Why can't democracy work in 3 countries?? I'm saying 1 country can't work, not democracy. Again, my words, not your imagination.
5. Taxpayers can't afford another Israel.
6. The cartoon is factually correct. These Benjamin Franklin wannabes are all on vacation for a month, instead of sweltering away in Iraq's equivalent of Philadelphia. Things suck in the US congress, too, but they're a bit more dire in Iraq.
JMR
sarc...?
July 30, 2007 - 10:45 ET by LionKingIsn't one referring to Iraq and the other Iran?
[Not sure, but I think they are different.]
Oops, sorry, you're right. I
July 30, 2007 - 10:51 ET by sarcasmoOops, sorry, you're right. I wonder if those governments know how much porn is already out there and free? Anyway, I think there's a better way around the problem of sex on film than the death penalty.
JMR
Sarc, are you sure about
July 30, 2007 - 14:12 ET by tracheostomySarc, are you sure about the second link there? I read it as the Iranian parliament, not Iraq. (edit: h/t to Lion King)
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Danger Will Robinson, Warning, Warning
July 30, 2007 - 10:49 ET by GothampcThe New York Times does not change their stripes this quickly. I think they are doing this:
1) Their sales are in the toilet. Nobody is buying the Times anymore. They are trying to bring readers back to the fold.
and/or
2) They are positioning for a Democrat takeover in which the Dems in Congress will claim victory in Iraq. The headlines will read "Once Dems took over Congress they made sure of victory in Iraq". Thereby positioning people to elect a Dem POTUS in 2008.
They've run too many false and anti-Iraq stories to be trusted.
Both are valid observations...
July 30, 2007 - 12:17 ET by Senior ChiefGotham, both are valid observations. However, warning no.2 is the most logical. "Winning" is the goal of the party, and if the democracks wins in 08, NYT will be credited for their efforts as an instrument in free and "unbiased" democratic newscasting. I'm with you, its hard to trust this piece of toilet paper...
I agree that no. 2 is the
July 30, 2007 - 14:29 ET by GothampcI agree that no. 2 is the most logical to push their agenda. However, NY Times has just built a new building in NYC and to see their revenue declining must be making their creditors nervous.
Shift in Times tactic?
July 30, 2007 - 13:43 ET by Hero SquadJust a thought: Could this all be a shift in tactic to reach the same end? Perhaps they're thinking that if they say now that everything is going well and looking to be headed toward peace in Iraq, they can attract more people to the opinion and apply more pressure to the administration that it's time to leave Iraq.
It just seems like their position on Iraq went from "it's very bad" to "it's pretty good" rather quickly. And they still don't see victory as important. They probably think that if enough people who continue to support the troops and their mission are satisfied with "sustainable stability," they can tip the scales of public sentiment toward bringing home the troops sooner.
Mind you, I would love that it would be true, that the insurgency is on the decline. I just want to hear it from the leaders in Iraq before I'll believe it to be true.
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"Some people have a way with words. Other people, er, I don't know. Not have way, I guess.
I'll guarantee you the
July 30, 2007 - 13:48 ET by TruthMongerI'll guarantee you the NYT will forever pursue the same end:)
Shift in tactic? Their tactics are always the same to me - dispicable, underhanded, abuse of priviledge, deceitful - in other words - Democrat all the way
The NYT will issue it's
July 30, 2007 - 14:39 ET by dscottThe NYT will issue it's typical doublespeak and then pretend nothing is out of the ordinary. Who are we fighting, Eastasia or Eurasia????
“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane"
Now I get it.
July 30, 2007 - 10:52 ET by rscamp13That's why the Dems wanted to push through the retreat so badly. They probably had gotten the initial reports already and saw he improvements. They know better than anyone that if we win this thing befor Nov. 08, they're finished. They went right into scramble mode.
"What's good for the Country, is bad for the Democrats"-Rush Limbaugh
The Vast Left Wing Idiocy
July 30, 2007 - 11:32 ET by Jack BauerThere's no doubt that the members of the...
...are really scared that the US will win in Iraq.
specially the Congressional Democrats.
Reid, Pelosi, Murtha et al, increasingly resemble those WW2 Japanese troops still hiding out on remote Pacific islands.
What they know (or more accurately want to know) about the war is zero.
Please don't perpectuate
July 30, 2007 - 14:19 ET by TruthMongerPlease don't perpetuate the moonbat bs people
WE'VE ALREADY WON IN IRAQ DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Remember in March/April 2003
July 30, 2007 - 15:21 ET by Prester JohnWhen things were going bad and the great Sand Storm of 2003 hit a week or two into the invasion? The MSM was going on about how it was a quagmire, things were a disaster etc, not bothering to see of course that during this storm our air power was relentlessly pounding the snot of the "elite" Republican Guard on the approaches to Baghdad. Within days of the end of storm the Iraqi military collapsed and voila, the statue of Saddam was being pulled down.
Like in 2003 the MSM has not bothered to take a look what has been going on behind the scenes and has concentrated only on body counts and car bombs. Now all of a sudden Anbar is no longer "lost", the Sunni tribes have had enough, and Coalition forces and the Iraqis are killing the terrorist thugs faster than they can be replaced.
Oh, and July US casualties are down about 30% from June.
Yee Haw, that one earns
July 30, 2007 - 16:47 ET by BDYee Haw, that one earns ya'll a big ole SHACK!!!