9/11 Truth Movie ‘Loose Change’ Producer Arrested for Desertion

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You can't possibly make this up: the producer of the 9/11 truther film "Loose Change" was arrested Monday for - wait for it! - deserting the Army.

As reported Wednesday by the Daily Star (h/t Hot Air, emphasis added):

Korey Rowe, 24, a veteran of Afghanistan and Iraq, was picked up by deputies at about 10:45 p.m. Monday, Otsego County Sheriff Richard Devlin Jr. said.

Rowe, along with Dylan Avery and Jason Bermas, are members of Louder Than Words, a production company that is working on a third edition of the movie "Loose Change," which contends the U.S. government was involved in the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

In his bio at the film's website, Rowe referenced his military service, but not that he was allegedly never officially discharged (emphasis added):

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At 18 for no apparent reason I joined the Army. I guess for a way out of my home town. Joined and not even six months later I found my self in a fox hole in Kandahar, Afghanistan (January 14th 2002 to July 15th 2002).

Served six months there before returning stateside for a hellish 7 month full out training cycle before being shipped back across the Atlantic to Kuwait were [sic] we staged for a nice long year in Iraq (February 28th, 2003 to January 16th, 2004).

I am out of the Army now, and have dove straight into the production of Dylan's documentary Loose Change.

No mention of deserting the military in a lengthy interview with Smith magazine, either, even though several questions involved his Army service. Of course, that's not something you advertise.

However, given the publicity of his film, one has to wonder why he wasn't picked up sooner?

On the other hand, according to the Star, the military doesn't focus a lot of attention on finding deserters:

Desertion rates have been rising since 2004, but the Army does little to seek out deserters and instead relies on a database that can be cross-checked by local law-enforcement agencies during encounters such as traffic stops, the report states.

Regardless, it seems given Rowe's activism concerning 9/11 being an inside job, maybe the Army should have done more to apprehend him sooner.

Just a thought.

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.


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Desertion creds

Ironically, being an Army deserter probably elevates his standing within the anti-war crowd, and his prosecution will assure him of martyrdom.

Sad but true, next thing

Sad but true, next thing you know "Mooron" will hire him for his next fake documentary. I wonder if this guy received any purple hearts, maybe he is planning for a future presidential run!

"Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana!" Groucho

9/11 was so an Inside Job

Have any of you looked at the facts of 9/11?

Why did Larry Silverstein admit to ordering to "Pull" Building 7?

Read and Learn:

http://www.911sharet...

Watch and Learn:

http://www.youtube.c...

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we all know it was a bush

we all know it was a bush re-election strategy - what's your point? we helped with the planning dude!

All of these posts are "secret code" ya know

I am so sick of dumb cluck

I am so sick of dumb cluck 'tards like you acting as willing tools for the Chimpy McBushitlerCheney Hallibrurton Nazi junta.

WAKE UP DUMMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EVERYONE FRACKIN' knows that the Twin Towers were brought down by CLOAKED ALIEN FIGHTERSHIPS UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE CLOAKED ALIENS IN the Pentagon.

Why do you come on this site and spout the Chimpy McBushitlerCheney Hallibrurton Nazi Goebbles talking points designed to deflect investigation into the millennium old alien invasion.

Who do you think runs YouTube? That's right 'tard. 

Chimpy McBushitlerCheney Hallibrurton Nazi junta.

 

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now now, Jack... I've

now now, Jack...

I've come to realize that...IT'S TRUE!!!!

If you only new the power of the "9/11 was an inside job" side...

Join me - and we will rule the galaxy as FATHER AND SON!!!!

TM -- once you see the

TM -- once you see the truth, you have to speak out.

I first became aware of the truth after watching an excellent fictionalized documentary called "THEY LIVE"

Check it out. You'll be shocked. WHISPER... THEY ARE EVERYWHERE MAN.

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jack - I see you are "one

jack - I see you are "one of them" now:(...

but ok I'll watch it! hat tip to ya

TM -- I'm very

TM -- I'm very fickle.

Could be a different conspiracy next week. That's the beauty of conspiracies, like manmade global warming, they offer a Grand Unified Theory of Everything.

Sure beats thinking!!!

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Zzz...this has all been

Zzz...this has all been debunked so many times it's ridiculous. You'd have a better chance of convincing me Montgomery Burns brought down the towers than the U.S. Government.

You're absolutely correct.

You're absolutely correct. Hawaii's Lt. Eren Wataba, who refused to be deployed to Iraq and is now undergoing courts martial, is an absolute messiah to the leftist looney toons over at "Truthout.org"

He probably will claim he is

He probably will claim he is being "targeted" by the Bush Administration because of his beliefs and his "heroic" stance in espousing the "truth" about 911. Also I recall the left labelling the draft resisters who fled to Canada as "heroes" during the Vietnam War. em>"A mind is a terrible thing." - A comic I forgot the name of.

Well...in his possible defense...

Could it be possible that his enlistment term expired and he simply assumed that since he never re-enlisted that he was "out"? Perhaps he never read the stop-loss memo and realized that you have to be officially discharged not just take a bus home the day after your original term expires?

 

The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic

C5

C5,

Very possible. And that's why I made it a point to say "allegedly," for this could all be an innocent mistake either on his part or the Army's. After all, maybe their bookkeeping on this matter is errant, and he was in fact discharged.

As you know, on this side of the aisle, we really do believe that people are innocent until proven guilty. :-) ns

Not as possible nor probable

With the mother henning the army and marines do in having specific soldiers assigned to keep people in with long talks and handing out cards, it is really difficult to believe that this deserter had not talked to them or was so alone in a unit of 20 people and a CO whose job it is constantly discussing what they are going to do in the real world that someone didn't mention the protocols.

Soldiers are quite educated on how to not get into trouble and they know exactly how to get out of the service as it is the constant discussion.

Yes this is possible he was the one Darwin liberal who never talked to anyone, never read anything and never had a re up discuss plans with him, but that kind of ignorance is about as probable as being hit by meteor. Soldiers do not live on a desert isle.

*HIC IACET ARTORIVS REX QVONDAM REXQVE FVTVRVS

This story makes me wonder.

This story makes me wonder. Are we evolving as a species? Or devolving?

Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge will be shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods. Albert Einstein

Lame Cherry wrote:

Lame Cherry wrote: "Soldiers are quite educated on how to not get into trouble and they know exactly how to get out of the service as it is the constant discussion."

I totally agree with you, LC.  It's not like a soldier counts down his days (and we all did) and then just decides he doesn't have to show up for Army work one day because his enlistment is up. 

In addition to career counseling about re-upping, his command would be talking to him almost daily regarding preparation for separation from active service  --- filling out paperwork, setting up transportation to home of record or elsewhere, shipment of household goods, turning in equipment/gear, etc.  Every servicemember knows that he/she must have a signed DD-214 when he/she leaves active duty, and the only way one gets it is outprocessing.  Without a DD-214, you ain't done.

 

BDS in five, four, three....

I can't wait for the "Troofers" to blog about how Bu-Ro-Che was behind this.

THEY'VE DONE IT AGAIN!! THE FACISTS ARE IN CONTROL!! OMG9-11WFT!!!

Was the Government

Was the Government responsible for Flight 93 also? If so, then it must be to the extent that, rather than providing a pretense for war, it was to further the radical muslim cause...that is if the subject of this article is any indicator.

My rank out ranks Your Army

Mr. Sheppard, another wonderful discovery by you.

It does though touch upon something of a psychopathy though with these kooks on the left. If you remember John Kerry was having soul fits all his life. He loathed the military in only joining in as JFK did and he wanted to be the next JFK. Next in it, he went out of his way to get hero medals which his superiors rejected like a scratch for a 'shell frament' and the infamous self inflicted wound of his tossing a grenade in a rice pile which then hit his butt.

Kerry would then return home "throwing his medals" away, but finding out later he never threw the "good ones away".

Democrats in 2004 had this same discomfort in wanting anyone to beat Bush, but loathing "the butcher" John Kerry as that is what they view all soldiers as being. So I contend it was Democrats who stayed home more in not wanting to vote for him than Republicans turning out for Bush. (Another Rove miscalculation.)

In that you can find all kinds of "Captains" in the left. Especially fake on the New Republic making up stories. I actually backtracked one Captain and found the real guy was an enlisted. His officer title was made up. The delusion of the Kerry grandeur that they too can be John Kennedy or John Wayne tugs at these people's hearts while their heart hates the reality they can not make it as real soldiers.

That is like this deserter. He is simple to understand. He knows he is a coward and betrayed his nation. He can not face that reality like all liberals and look for someone to hate.....how does he tranfer? Oh he finds he can call George Bush the coward and America the betrayer in attacking himself.

Solves all his problems, because if America deserted him first on 9 11 then his desertion later was just balancing the books.

These people are crazy in their psychopathies in how they work things out is pure insanity. Like Kerry this deserter goes public begging to be caught so he can be punished and have some rest for his soul.

A little back history........Bill Clinton wasn't that sloppy in attacking women. He wanted to be caught on numerous levels to be rid of Hillary, but he couldn't abandon her and Chelsea as he and his mother were abandoned. He had to force her to do it....which she wouldn't because she was so weak natured and power hungry she was hanging on for life.

They are all the same.....can go through all the Democrats and find the same problems and these are the people telling America it is wrong and they have the answers to fix it.

 

 

*HIC IACET ARTORIVS REX QVONDAM REXQVE FVTVRVS

during WWII the federal

during WWII the federal govt paid a $50 bounty for deserters. this was canceled in about 1955.

during Nam they didn't pay much attention to deserters.

if the police brought one in (expecting the bounty) the various services applied interesting punishments.

i saw the air force courtmartial a guy and give him a bad conduct discharge in 45 minutes.

on the other end of the scale the marines put a fellow in the Yokosaka Marine Brig (a notorious hell hole) while they expanded the stockade in Leavenworth Kansas for a more lengthy stay. (could be he's still there)

in actuality most of the noise about deserters being punished was made by lawyers and activist outfits trying to build reputations for political manuevers of the moment.

C  

Funny how this site only

Funny how this site only covers 9/11 news when its something negative. Where is the coverage on Dr. Jones' discovery of the "fingerprint" for thermate in steel samples. Where is the coverage on the discovery of iron rich spheres in the dust samples. What about pilotsfor911truth.org and their complete raping of the Gov'ts story vs. what the black box actually shows at the pentagon (flight 93 is up next, and from what they say, it's a lie as well).

But I digress...we wouldn't want anyone thinking outside the [black] box :).

As for Korey Rowe, I only have respect for him. Anyone trying to bring out 9/11 truth is a hero, not a deserter. You will have a different opinion about him one day, oh, say when Loose Change: Final Cut comes out and exposes 9/11 for what it truly is. That will be the all time highest grossing documentary ever..and you can quote me on that.

http://prisonplanet....

"As for Korey Rowe, I only


"As for Korey Rowe, I only have respect for him. Anyone trying to bring out 9/11 truth is a hero, not a deserter. "

Typical liberal thought process, doesn't matter that he's breaking the law as long as he was doing what he believes. The conclusion: he's a hero not a deserter!

Folks we can't let people who think like this run this country!

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Can I have some of what

Can I have some of what you've been drinking? Or smoking?

Conspiracy theories

You forgot to mention Katrina... 

No RINOs in '08 - Thompson/Hunter would be a good ticket; Thompson/Steele would be a great ticket

lol Hi, Rosie.  Don't

lol

Hi, Rosie.  Don't forget, fire doesn't melt steel.

The bounty was later

The bounty was later reinstated at $25. Law enforcement officers and agencies cannot claim rewards/bounties. They are, after all doing their job. 

Doesn't really matter that they don't actively pursue the non-violent one's, anyway as they are bound to cross the wrong path eventually. And when they do, as Korey did, I bet they feel really stupid.

As for "deserters being punished" Tough shhhhtuff. They new desertion was dangerous when they did it!

 

        If it ain't broke, why screw it up.

Of course, if Loose Derange

Of course, if Loose Derange even tangentally touched on reality, this joker will never been seen again as Chimpy McBushilter would personally have him disappeared into the the Gulag Cheneypeligo

But let's just nail this down for a second.

This jerkwad decided at 18 (for reasons he admits are beyond his capacity to explain) to join the military.

D'uh must have been Bush mindcontrol rays beamed from the TV, because what else could explain it?

During that time, this brainbox suddenly comes to understand that despite live coverage of actual fully laden Jumbos flying into actual Twin Towers, that this did not, in fact, happen.

Mmm, where did he get the time to come up with that?

By his own admission between deserting aged 21 (with the mental capacity of a 10 year old by the sound of it) and instantly getting a job producing the shite known as "Loose Change" he was kept quite busy.

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Jack

Jack,

That's actually a fabulous point. Of course, on the other hand, had he been apprehended sooner, maybe this would have added to the conspiracy myth? ns

ns -- it's very amusing

ns -- it's very amusing when you read the actual background of these odd balls.

Sure, the truths-out-to-lunch bowel movement has as one of its "heroes" a guy who can't even explain why he joined up one day.

I think he has many unresolved mommy and daddy issues. And now the "daddy" in his life is George Bush.

We need to be laughing more at these children, and not give them the attention they so desperately crave.

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Just going from memory

Just going from memory here. But,if He'd have looked at the expiration date on His I.D. card He might have gotten an idea of His discharge date ! And , if He never went through outproceesing He might have figured out that He had missed something .( DD214 for example )

In His defense , I'm sure He never knew anyone on a "short calendar" :)that got a dicharge :)

 

How much energy has been

How much energy has been wasted on conspriracy theories, and how much damage to public opinion? In this day and age where politicians can be swayed by public opinion so easily, its no wonder our foreign policy is suffering. I wish I could just laugh the Bermas' and Avery's off, but they have the power with the Internet to touch many people. Their ideas and arguments deserved to be rebutted at every chance.

Contrary, you are 100%

Contrary, you are 100% correct. Either they are right, or they are wrong. Please, rebut pilotsfor911truth and their "theory" that AA77 did not hit the pentagon. You can have all the resources that are at their disposal (mainly the black box flight data recorder).

I am sure they would LOVE to be proven wrong as NO gov't entity (NIST, FBI, FAA, etc.) Has even tried to rebut their claims. You would be hailed as a true patriot for exposing the LIES of the 9/11 truth movement!

Let us know how that goes, ok?

REBUTTALS

Have not all the theories been rebutted!  Have not you failed to provide any proof?  Have not you forgotten to take your meds?

Have not you forgotten how

Have not you forgotten how to speak properly??

No evidence? Have you been living in a cave with Osama "i've been on Dialysis for 7 years and am still alive" Bin Laden.

Your statements alone prove you really are a "pawn." I hate wasting my time with people like you who believe every little thing you are told. Maybe you will listen to your friend Michelle Malkin...don't let her fool you, she knows the truth about 9/11 as well

http://www.prisonpla...

 

TP:  I was worried about

TP:  I was worried about you dude.  I thought they had caught up with you!!  Thank God you are safe and not in jail!!!!!!

I feel better now all, you can call off the search.

The only thing you should feel when shooting insurgents is the rifle recoil.

 

TP, there you go again. OBL

TP, there you go again. OBL has never made a public statement about having kideny problems, not dialysis. Your referances are bogus. Prisonplanet? Come on now, please. Only an idiot would belive anything on that site.

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Bassndude, I can't believe

Bassndude, I can't believe you are even still trying to dispute what I say. You are so blatantly wrong on all of your arugments that I'm just gonna have to stop replying to your ignornace and naivity.

http://edition.cnn.c...

PLEASE inform yourself BEFORE you post...not only do you make this entire site look bad, but you make yourself look like a complete JACKASS

Ah, I believe you are one

Ah, I believe you are one of the 25% of Americans Stan and Kyle refer to as being retarded.

How's the weather down in Texas, Fateswebb?

"I hate wasting my time

"I hate wasting my time with people like you who believe every little thing you are told."

No you don't, you love it because of the multiple orgasms you experience with every nonsense-filled post you make. I hope you at least aim away from your keyboard. Talk about a sticky situation...

Sorry for the vulgarity of my post, NBers, but people like "clueless police" really tick me off. I'm not one for violence, but some folks really need the stupid beat out of them.

ckc -- dude, it's a fat

ckc -- dude, it's a fat comic book guy alone in a basement hooked up to the internet.

They'll find him dead one day, half-eaten by his only companions, a dozen stray cats.

 

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TP, pilots have no access

TP, pilots have no access to the FDC's data. So any pilot that sayes he has access to the data is either a lier, OR he is not a pilot, but an investigator. And being employed by the FAA, I can tell you it has been addressed by us, and you are doing nothing but spreading lies and misinformation.

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Freedom of Information act

Freedom of Information act is all I have to say. They not only received the animation that the NTSB created (that does not show AA77 hitting the pentagon) as well as the raw data files that went into making the animation. So please, save your ignorance for another topic.

Here is a 1 minute youtube video that debunks the whole gov't story. Please feel free to watch unless you want your precious safety bubble shattered into 1000 pieces..

http://www.youtube.c...

Freedom of Information act?

Freedom of Information act? Try again. Look for the exempts. Try reading the act. The only information that is released from the FDR's is of voice recordings. And only then if it has been determined that it will not cause any harm and if the family of the recorded agrees.

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Youtube ? Thats your

Youtube ? Thats your comfirmation source? LOL, your looney toons boy. Like noone can post there unless its true.

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"We have determined based on

"We have determined based on the Flight Data Recorder
information that has been analyzed thus far provided by the NTSB, that
it is impossible for this aircraft to have struck down the light poles.

We have an animation of
the entire flight provided by the NTSB. The animation covers the whole
flight from taxi out at Dulles... to the impact at the Pentagon in real
time." - http://pilotsfor911t...

LOL, maybe your wrong. Perhaps you will want to watch the youtube video. It's a product of the NTSB, so your probably not too far off on your assertion.

Like I said, your sources

Like I said, your sources are bogus.

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The moon is made of

The moon is made of cheese!

http://www.planetfusion.co.uk/~pignut/cheese.html

Let's see you disprove that! Of course the government knew about this and that was the whole point of the Apollo moon launches. Just think of all the power the Bushies will have. I mean, the data is there, you just have to find it.

Just as I thought, no one

Just as I thought, no one can dispute the truth! Since the government has not come forth with the evidence, then the moon must be made of cheese. Any contrary opinions are made by retards and those who watch Fox News. They are rehashing old questions that distract from the truth. Long live the cheesers who speak truth to power.

Supporting your position

Thank God this is out in the open. I have long thought the moon was made of cheese, but thought I was the only one. I felt as though I was alone in the wilderness. It is good to know the science is settled on this matter.

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ThoughtPolice - The Exchequer of Truth

And don't forget,

ThoughtPolice is the same dude who wasn't (still isn't?) aware that gas fumes are flamable/explosive.

Just who we need lecturing us on how things really are . . .

Free

i had forgotten that exchange, thanks for reminding me i enjoyed the laugh

 

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We have a winner for the

We have a winner for the 1st annual "LibertyorMeds act-a-like contest" ;-)

 

Grommet

we must get some 'cheeese'

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exactly...

Since the moon is made of cheese, all of the moon-landings had to be "staged" in the Arizona desert.

First of all, one of my

First of all, one of my cousins, a civilian research scientist for the US Navy, was working almost directly next to the Pentagon on 9/11, and saw the AA plane hit it. She and her colleagues were immediately deployed to set up air-sampling equipment on-site, and she saw numerous pieces of the aircraft all over the place. As she graduated with honors from Dartmouth and is married to a JAG, I would tend to believe her account.

As for "pilotsfor 9/11 truth", I went to their website, and immediately found this correction. Anytime you lead off your web page by admitting something is wrong, you're not off to a great start:

06/23/07
Please be advised when reviewing the article entitled

http://news.yahoo.co...

"New Study From
Pilots For 9/11 Truth: No Boeing 757 Hit The Pentagon" the following.
These (relatively minor) points are made in the interest of historical
accuracy. Pilots for 9/11 Truth did not write it and some corrections need to
be stated. Click here for more information. Thank you.

http://pilotsfor911t...

I have no doubt your cousin

I have no doubt your cousin saw something, however, she did not see AA77 hit the Pentagon. She may have seen a fly-over (AA77 flies above Pentagon, missile or military plane strikes building). To debunk this the Gov't SIMPLY needs to show us one of the multitude of vidoes that would have caught the incident on tape (how about a clear shot from the Highway cameras??)

Uh, did you actually READ the corrections, or just post that link HOPING that it would say "Wait, nevermind, we were wrong."

HAHA what a dope...get back to watching Fox News and stop trying to debate what you can't!

Just how old are you? Like

Just how old are you? Like 5 or something like that? I always hesitate to call someone stupid, but you border on moronic insanity.

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Just how old are you? Like


Just how old are you? Like 5 or something like that?

Like, totally, dude! Like, why don't you refute the evidence and stop calling me names? You can't? Oh ok...then, like go away...

Even if he is 5, I'll bet

Even if he is 5, I'll bet he knows that gas fumes are flamable.

(Unlike you)

Let's see, who should I

Let's see, who should I believe-a dweeb typing from his basement or someone who was actually there? Insulting me won't work. Get back under your bridge.

PS, here's some debunking of the BS that the AA plane didn't hit the Pentagon. It includes a picture of a piece of the plane debris with the American Airlines livery still visible.

http://www.kolumbus....

wow. you really believe

wow. you really believe that 99% of the plane was incinerated yet a few small pieces of debris were left unscathed (it looks like someone took some shears and cut it up) on the lawn? You don't find it funny that there are no dead bodies or luggage laying around? surely there would be bodies inside the building, or remains of luggage??

FYI, you used a 9/11 truth site in case you weren't aware. Not only that, but they are using outdated information. I'm not sure if they know, but the supposed flight path that AA77 took is incorrect. Again, please watch the youtube video provided and you will understand.

Hey dope, where was the

Hey dope, where was the "Black Box" found? You know they don't make the whole plane out of that same material, right?

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Next?

Here's some eyewitness accounts (with links) as well as pictures of airplane debris found inside the Pentagon. By the way, apparently one of the engines ricocheted out of the building and disintegrated.

http://www.whatreall...

Next?

Bass

You got a problem with you-tube science?

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And this "Flight Data

And this "Flight Data Recorder" was found where? IN the rubble of the Pentagon you say? hmmm.

*cue Twilight Zone music*

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

There is flight data

There is flight data recorder from "something." If you watch the animation provided by the NTSB, it follows a different path than the "official" path as provided by the 9/11 commission report.

This path would not have struck down the light poles AND would have been too high to have hit the pentagon..hmm..

Please watch the provided youtube clip for the evidence. It's only a minute. Surely you'll want to take 1 minute to find out that 9/11 was an inside job, right?

TP, I looked at it. So

TP, I looked at it. So what? A red line doesn't match up with a simulation of the cockpit. You are missing the elephant in the room here. The Black box was found in the Pentagon rubble. The black box was part of the plane, therefore: the plane (& black box) crashed into the Pentagon. So simple a caveman could see it.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

So what? So how were the

So what? So how were the light poles knocked down? The path is WAY north or the official version. Not only that, it is WAY too high to have even hit the building. The animation is provided by the NTSB...so either they are wrong (and not correcting the mistake) OR they are right and 9/11 was an inside job.

Hmm, so I guess you believe that no one has ever planted evidence at a crime scene before? Lol...maybe you can vindicate Mark Fuhrman??

Big difference thought police

Couple of things here.

1) there is a big difference between planting a bloody glove and planting an airliner.

2) There are a lot of people who think that Fuhrman did not plant the glove.

Our real problem, then, is not our strength today; it is rather the vital necessity of action today to ensure our strength tomorrow. Dwight Eisenhower

1.) Holy crap....your

1.) Holy crap....your astute observations are mind boggling!! It's funny how the "airliner" is nothing more than a few parts from an unidentified craft...funny how there are no more than 1 piece per part (1 landing gear, 1 wheel, 1 engine...didn't they know that there at least 2 of all of those things!!).

2.) My point exactly

Paw is correct below. The

Paw is correct below. The theories have been challenged (see Popular Mechanics) but the propaganda arm of the Truthers is doing a better job of distributing their views. Eventually, if you say it enough, their "truth" becomes the orthodox.

"I am sure they would LOVE to be proven wrong as NO gov't entity (NIST, FBI, FAA, etc.) Has even tried to rebut their claims."

Here is why I agree with you (partially). The Truthers would NOT love to be proven wrong, but they do love someone engaging them. It provides an chance for spouting off their views. And yes, the various government agencies have not agressively made their case to dispute their claims. A two-edged sword if you will: Disprove their theories and give them the attention they are looking for, Or ignore them in hopes their ideas eventually die out.

"Let us know how that goes, ok?"

I don't know why I would login here to give you updates to anything I might do.

One Question

Where is Barbara Olson, wife of Ted Olson and a passenger on the plane that hit the Pentagon?

She and the rest of the

She and the rest of the people on the plane are currently being held under guard of Halliburton security agents in a secret bunker in Dick Cheney's back yard.

What I'd like to know is, what happened to the plane itself?

"What I'd like to know is,

"What I'd like to know is, what happened to the plane itself?"

Santa Claus uses the remains for spare parts on his sleigh.

Well she was either killed

Well she was either killed or she was in on it. I really don't know. Those type of "well, if the plane didn't hit, then where is the plane?!?!?!" questions are so dumb with no thought put into them, I can't believe people are still asking such crap!

Either AA77 hit the Pentagon, or it didn't . If it didn't I have NO idea where it is or if its still in it's true form. Where are the remains of AA77, UA93, or the other two planes involved on 9/11??? I mean, surely there would be some type of reconstruction like there was with TWA flight 800, right???

What was left of them was

What was left of them was reassembled in hangers in Virgina, at the AFB.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Lol...right.. Got any

Lol...right..

Got any evidence, pictures, videos, Newspaper clippings?

Haha..I'd love to see them..please share with us!!

And i'm not talking about "Well, the gov't says they are in hangars in Virginia, but again would not give us any pics, vids, sneak peeks, special screenings, etc. ad nausuem..blah blah"." 

"Lol...right.. Got any

"Lol...right..


Got any evidence, pictures, videos, Newspaper clippings?"

Got any pictures or videos of your brain to prove you have one?

On the contrary

The question is perfectly logical and is only dumb to those who don't have an answer.

As to where the remains of the planes are: 1) the husband of a co-worker of mine was in one of the emergency teams that worked at the Pentagon.  The remains of the fuselage were in the basement; 2) as to flight 93, there is a wonderful video (on YouTube I believe) of what happens to a plane (an F-4 in this particular instance) when it hits a reinforced concrete wall at about 300 mph--it is absolutely pulverized with the biggest pieces they could find being about the size of a large screw.  Given that an airliner heading straight down would hit the ground at several hundreds of miles per hour, I would doubt there would be much left.

OH geez...here we go

OH geez...here we go again..

Ok, so now the "magic fuselage" not only carved out a nearly perfect round hole through 9 (3 x 3 walls it went through) ft of reinforced steele concrete that had just finished renovation, and it made its way into the basement?? That is one magic fuselage..

You see, you can't say an F-4 is pulverized by hitting reinforced concrete causing no hole, but that AA77 hit reinforced concrete and did?!?

Fine, I accept your "magic fuselage" theory...where is the part today?? I have NEVER seen any evidence of any fuselage from AA77. Actually, I have never seen engines, or wheels, or seats, or luggage, or any body parts for that matter.

Hmm, Maybe April Gallop will have the answer? She was in the exact location that "something" hit on 9/11. Did she see any of that stuff? Nope. Did she see thousands of gallons of Jet Fuel?? Nope.

Hmm, something isn't adding up with your "magic fuselage" theory...maybe you should go back to the drawing board.

And gas fumes are

And gas fumes are flamable.

Please quote me as to where

Please quote me as to where I said "gas fumes aren't flammable."

 

TP - you either have really

TP - you either have really poor reading comprehension, or you are deliberatley trying to deflect the issue by putting words in my mouth. What I have said, I'll say again here:
ThoughtPolice is the same dude who wasn't (still isn't?) aware that gas fumes are flamable/explosive.

You never said it isn't flamable. I'm not saying that you made that remark.

I'm saying you were surprised when botg told you. :-p

Fred Thompson and Ann Coulter walk into a bar. The bar is instantly destroyed because that much awesome cannot be contained in one building.

I'll be away for about 45

I'll be away for about 45 minutes, but don't think I've ran. I'll be back to see what reply (if any) you have.

While I'm out, ponder this: Why should we listen to anything you say? You didn't even know that gas fumes are flamable!

Fred Thompson and Ann Coulter walk into a bar. The bar is instantly destroyed because that much awesome cannot be contained in one building.

TrollPolice, twarted by his arch-nemesis - Facts

If only it was this easy to stop him from coming here at all.

(sigh)


Fred Thompson and Ann Coulter walk into a bar. The bar is instantly destroyed because that much awesome cannot be contained in one building.

As for "gas fumes" causing

As for "gas fumes" causing fireballs, what about TWA Flight 800? That's the theory that Clinton's people finally claimed was the cause. We'll never know, as no video exists, and the FBI man heading the investigation was mysteriously pulled off the case.

I don't know enough about

I don't know enough about twa 800 to have an opinion. From what I have seen and heard, the eyewitnesses claim to have seen a missile strike the plane.

Of course, like you say, we *may* never know for sure.

thoughtpolice is not to

thoughtpolice is not to cognizant or he/she/it would have understood that TP stands for toilet paper in the military and when applied to a person it is a term of derision.

otherwise he/she/it would not have picked that particular moniker to go by.

C

ThoughtPolice is the same

ThoughtPolice is the same dude who wasn't (still isn't?) aware that gas fumes are flamable/explosive.

read the link you wanted me to prove that the fumes and not the fuel is what burns

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American Airlines livery

American Airlines livery (that means logo to you high school kids) clearly visible in this photo:

http://www.kolumbus....

PHOTO SHOP!!! PHOTO

PHOTO SHOP!!!

PHOTO SHOP!!

(sarc off)

Seems to me that if you're

Seems to me that if you're at a disaster scene right after something bad happens, you're not going to be occupied with taking pictures of debris.

Whoever had the presence of mind to take this picture deserves a round of applause. And the fact that you can't readily find it on major search engines proves it's dangerous.

April Gallop was INSIDE the

April Gallop was INSIDE the Pentagon. My cousin was OUTSIDE the Pentagon. One saw the plane (with AA livery). Not April.

As for April, here's how she described it to the far right wing newspaper the Washington Post

"Little Elisha was in the stroller beside her. Gallop had just pushed the button to start her computer when the hijacked American Airlines Flight 77 slammed into the Pentagon, blowing her across the room. For a moment, Gallop said, she thought she had died and gone to hell. Then she heard her son crying. She couldn't imagine babies condemned to hell, so she realized they were alive"

http://www.washingto...

If you want to hear April

If you want to hear April in her own words, go here and look for "What Didn't hit the pentagon."

http://www.gunsandbu...

You may have to find the part with her testimony. And for the record, everything I've said she said is true.

Sorry, but you're hitching

Sorry, but you're hitching your "conspiracy" star to ONE Pentagon employee.

Since at the time of the attack the building had most of its normal daily working population of 25,000 people, you strike out again.

One person out of over 20,000 people working there at that day said something that is contradicted by many other witnesses who were actually OUTSIDE of the building at the time.

Using your "logic", we should only believe one person when we hear a news story. Can I have some of your Maui Wowie?

By the way, I noticed that you refused to respond to another poster here who asked you this simple question (paraphrased)

You claim 9/11 didn't happen as reported. Tell us what actually happened. Such as where they flew all the people on the plane that didn't crash into the Pentagon, why they would do it, how they bribed thousands of people to cover it up, etc, etc. 

And another thing-the majority of the left absolutely HATES the military. Why would they question something that made the military look hapless?

Conclusion-coverup for the ineptness of the CIA and/or FBI in sniffing the bad guys out over many years.

And I'm sure the Gorelick Wall didn't help matters. 

Any answer?

OK.  A plane didn't hit the Pentagon and flight 93 didn't crash in PA.  How about an answer to my stupid question? 

Where are Barbara Olson and all the other passengers?

The most criminally inept administration in our history, one that can't keep a secret from the NY Times to save its life, is somehow capable of pulling off the greatest con job of all time without having a single one of the thousands of people who would have been involved in it say a word?

Right.

TWA 800 was reconstructed

TWA 800 was reconstructed because at the time the cause of the accident was not known. In the case of all of the 9/11 planes, the cause of their crashing WAS known-they were all deliberately flown directly into buildings or the ground.

Wow!!!!  As an

Wow!!!!  As an FAA licensed aircraft mechanic, I can answer this one.....

The reason they reassemble planes pieces, like TWA Flt 800, is to try to determine what went wrong and caused the accident....

In this case the "cause" of this "accident" is readily apparent to the most casual of observers...   something about a big aluminum can hitting steel reinforced concrete at 400 mph......    If you can't figure out what happens, then we can't have any more conversations, since I refuse to debate someone who would bring a sharp stick to a gunfight.

Actually, wasn't that plane

Actually, wasn't that plane going 500 MPH when it hit? Eyewitnesses said the pilot powered up in the last few seconds.

TP...clarify

TP, clarify for me your positions on these:

  1. Two planes flown into the World Trade Center by Al Qaeda operatives
  2. One plane flown into the Pentagon by Al Qaeda operatives
  3. One plane hijacked by Al Qaeda operatives, but crashed in Pennsylvania

Obviously you disagree with these statements or the general idea of them...so, clarify what you actually believe happened. No need for links right now, just curious what position you are taking.

Good luck getting an answer!

Good luck getting an answer! TP has to get some new talking points faxed by the 9/11 pilots for truth. He still hasn't answered my question about exploding gas fumes blowing up TWA 800.

What I love about nuts like this is that by nature they are supposed to trash the "establishment" and all government agencies, like the CIA, FBI, FAA,FCC, etc. But when it suits their BDS agenda, they hoist them up as heroes.

Too funny!

Del...

Actually, I try to consider what everyone has to say with an open-mind. I just am not sure what his point is. Is he saying Al Qaeda did attack the WTC, but that was not enough, so the US Gov't attacked the Pentagon themselves.

I just am trying to understand his perspective so I can respond accordingly.

No, he never mentions the

No, he never mentions the WTC attacks. There are several sub-species of 9/11 "truthers" in the ant farm, and he concentrates on the Pentagon

They can't deny that hijacked planes flew into very tall buildings in New York. But they can try to brainwash people into thinking that the same thing didn't happen at the Pentagon, solely because they didn't see it live on teevee.

Wrong WTC 1, 2, and 7

Wrong

WTC 1, 2, and 7 were all forms of controlled demolition. Building 7 is a classic case of controlled demolition. Blow out the base columns followed by blowing the core from the bottom to the top to ensure the building falls in on itself rather than out.

 

1.) Two planes flew into

1.) Two planes flew into the WTC towers, yet THREE buildings fell (WTC 1, 2, and 7). To this day, no one has EVER identified ANY of the planes via actual physical evidence. With that said, most believe (as I do) that those were military planes of some kind.

2.) AA77 did not hit the Pentagon. More than likely, there weren't any Al-cia-duh operatives involved on 9/11. Yes, there are names and faces of the 19 hi-jackers, but no definitive evidence they flew any of the planes (Hani Hanjour couldn't even fly a cesna, yet we are to believe he could fly a 747 into the Pentagon, something 100% of the pilots at pilotsfor911truth.org say they couldn't have done?)

3.) Not 100% about this one. It was more than likely shot down with all of the evidence. Simply put, there is nothing at the supposed "crash site." (The debris trail was around 8 miles long, and no Popular Mechanics is not correct on this either.)

most believe (as I do) that

most believe (as I do) that those were military planes of some kind.

most what?

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most 9/11 truthers.

most 9/11 truthers.

Quotation

Reminds me of a quote from Dr. Fraiser Crane on the show Cheers.  Crane was listening intently to Cliff Clavin spout another of his inane observations, then smoothly and calmly asked, "Cliff, what color is the sky in your world?"

"There is a tendency for the world to say to America, 'the big problems of the world are yours, you go and sort them out,' and then to worry when America wants to sort them out." - Prime Minister

TP...thanks for the reply

TP...thanks for the reply.

Let's start with #1.

  • What kind of military plane?
  • Why crash 2 military planes?
  • Why attack the WTC?
  • What happened to the commercial flights from Boston?
  • What about all of th eyewitness accounts and amateur video of the commercial planes crashing into the towers?
  • Ever heard of impact tremors and ambient heat? Falling debris? Could these have caused have caused the third building to fall? (Honestly answer that, isn't it possible.)

Again, no need for links, just your answers.

Not sure, there isn't

Not sure, there isn't enough video/photographic evidence to be sure of what type. From what there is though, you can't see any type of commercial logos on any of the planes. People have identified the white planes that were flying over the white house (restricted airspace) and around the WTC complex as an E-4B, the most advanced military craft (this usually trails air force one, but for some reason did not on 9/11). (you don't want any links, but I can give them to you for proof later).

You crash military planes because: you don't have to worry about actual people on board; you don't want to take the risk of missing the intended targets so you use remote controlled planes (you think hani Hanjour could fly a plane into the pentagon? Flying jets at 500 mph and making sharp turns and maneuvers is NEAR IMPOSSIBLE unless you are an extremely talented pilot.)

You attack the WTC because it is a symbol of "our freedoms." Actually, you attack it because it is the nexus of the financial markets of the U.S. The cover of a 1997 (I think it was '97) FEMA manual had the twin towers in cross hairs. The same place the cross hair was on the North Tower was where the plane actually hit. Yet, we are to believe, if you listen to condoleeza rice, they had "no idea this was possible."

I cannot speculate on what happened to the commercial flights, I don't have enough information myself. Some people think those flights never took off and the passengers were transfered to other "flights" due to the "inconvenience." They were more than likely killed, but again, I can't be certain. (It is no coincidence that two of the 4 flights left from Dulles Int'l airport. Here is the scoop on that: "George W. Bush's brother was on the board of directors of a company
providing electronic security for the World Trade Center, Dulles International
Airport and United Airlines, according to public records. The company was
backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp., also linked for years
to the Bush family.")

There were witnesses yes, but none ever confirmed commercial airlines, just big jets. Actually, if you watch the video of the North Tower being struck, the plane DOES NOT look like a big 747. If you watch carefully, it looks like something is shout out of the back/sides to make the damage bigger. (again, the need for military planes).

Yes, the official theory as to why WTC 7 fell (actually, NIST is still working on it), is because of fire and damage. However, no high rise steel framed building has ever fallen due to fire, yet on 9/11 we are to believe that 3 buildings fell. If you look at pictures of the Murrah building in OKC, it is gutted about 45-50% and it did not collapse. As to whether it is possible, sure. Probable? nope..

TP...not enough time right now

TP...I do not have enough time, but here is somethings to consider:

  • As far as I can tell, the planes that hit the towers were 767's, not 747's
  • Comparing the Murrah building and the WTC is hardly an analogous comparison
  • "...no high rise steel framed building has ever fallen due to fire,..." -- How many high rise steel building's have had jet fuel to feed the fire?

TP...I have no problem with studying what is and has been said, but, I think you owe it to yourself to employ critical thinking concernig what the government says along with what the "truthers" are saying. You yourself in your post admitted to not having ALL of the information...how can you make judgments without ALL of the information?

In response... *If the

In response...

*If the planes were 767's, my mistake. Moot point none the less. (Having to respond to 10 different people on here is not easy, I get carried away trying not to rant, then ranting, so sorry for certain mistakes on my part).

*Comparing the Murrah building to WTC 7 is quite an analagous comparison. WTC sustained limited damage and fire, yet collapsed fully in about 6.5 seconds. The Murrah building had about 45-50% of its structure gutted by a blast, yet did not fall. My point is, if WTC 7 fell due to damage, then why didn't the Murrah buildin collapse as well?

*Probably not many, but it didn't matter. The WTC buildings were designed to take multiple jetliner impacts, and yes, the designers accounted for Jet fuel as well (Hey Bob, I'm glad these buildings can take multiple jet hits, but damn if we forgot about the kerosene that fuels them!!! lol). Lastly, even the experts say that whatever jet fuel was left after the initial explosion would have burned off in about 10 minutes. The fires were sustained by burning paper, carpeting, and other combustibles within the building.

All I was saying is that I didn't have enough information to speculate. You ask where the planes are if they didn't hit the pentagon, etc. Well, I can't speculate what I don't have enough information on. Do detectives in solving a crime have ALL the information they need for it to be solved? I apply that the answer works here too.

TP...

  • 767 and 747 are very different, so it is not moot
  • The Murrah building was not a high rise
  • Are you seriously saying that the first WTC tower fell 6.5 seconds after impact?
  • You are comparing a bomb blast to the results of a super-hot fire
  • Did 767's exist when the WTC was designed?

Let me first say, I don't

Let me first say, I don't think you are stupid. You are probably the first person in a year or so to actually take the time to find out what I know and why I think that 9/11 was an inside job. With that said, you show the characteristics of someone who has done little to no research.

*767 and 707* are only slightly different (Let's get off of 747, again my mistake). For a detailed comparion, please go here: http://911research.w...

*It was not a high rise, thus it was not constructed nearly as well as either WTC tower building 7.

*WTC 1 and 2 (Norht tower and south towers respectively) fell in about 11-13 seconds. WTC 7 fell in 6.5 seconds. Are you not aware of WTC 7? if not please go here wtc7.net

*What is your proof the fire was super hot? Have you seen the numbers that NIST has quoted? They don't go above 600* C (so less than 1,100 F). Structural steele is rated to melt at around 2,800*. You will hear that "but steel loses 50% of its strength." However, the towers were designed for a load of something like 10-20 times their capacity (can't remember the actual number). In other words, they were OVER designed.

*No, it was the 707.

TP...

True...I have not done a lot of research on this. I am quite aware of WTC7. So, do normal structural fires reach temperatures of 1100 F? Does the steel have to reach its melting point in order weaken? (Isn't the melting point when it changes state from solid to liquid?)

Truly, you have not convinced me yet that I need to waste my time researching this. I am openminded...if you give me a detail, I will be happy to examine sources. Right now, your arguments and information seems to be grasping at straws.

Please, feel free to try and convince me. I am probably one of the very few that will take time with you on this. As you know, I have not fought you on the NAU/SPP issue, but I have actually been supportive. Likewise, I have been with you on the Tom Cryer case.

Stupid is as Stupid does

LK -- this whole thing by TP really is the definition of stupid. Un-be-lievable.

TnT...

No need for that. All ideas and opinions should be treated objectively. I have dialogued with TP...he is not stupid. I think he gets something stuck in his head and he focuses on it.

Since you say you are aware

Since you say you are aware of WTC 7, I will assume you have seen many pictures and videos of its' collapse, correct? If not, I would suggest watching as many videos as you can, because everyone shows the same thing: a 47 storey steele framed building falling into its own footprint in 6.5 seconds. The time is physically impossible unless you use explosives because nothing can fall at the rate or free fall if something is in the way (say, 46 storeys of a building for instance).

I am not privy as to the temps of other building fires. What I do know, is that other buildings have burned longer and more ferocious than either 1, 2, or 7 and did not collapse (and for those who say they weren't hit by planes, neither was WTC 7). For analysis, please visit this site: http://911research.w...

I'm sorry I have not convinced you that 9/11 is not as the gov't says. Dr. Steven Jones has found traces of thermite from Steele samples as well as Iron rich spheres in the dust samples (that means that iron had to have melted, and since that Steele would melt at around 2,800 degrees, where did such hot temperatures come from? Iron rich spheres were also found by the U.S.G.S.)

pilotsfor911truth.org have analyzed the "black box" of AA77 that supposedly hit the pentagon. From the animation provided by the NTSB, they show that the official flight path does not match up with the black box flight path. Therefore, the downed light poles could not have been hit AS WELL AS the altimeter reading is some 400 ft above ground 1 second before impact (too high to have hit the pentagon).

ae911truth.org (architects and engineers for 9/11 trut) have several members and are rapidly growing. The presentations from founder Richard Gage show unanimous controlled demoltion.

I find this to be a bit more than "grasping at straws." If you are truly willing to look into the evidence, I strongly suggest you go to each of those sites and study their research. Because I am just reiterating what I know from them.

Thanks

TP Your Funny

So wrong and yet so convicted. First Hani Hanjur was a licensed
pilot he actually had an instrument rating (yes he had problems landing a Cessna
but if you don't plan on landing that's not much of a problem is it) you can
look that up through the FAA. Second the size of the different planes makes a
lot of difference seeing as they get progressively bigger starting with the
smallest the 707 which the WTC was designed for impacts with, the 767 being
about 25% larger but having a takeoff weight three times heavier and the 747
being 50% larger than a 707. But that doesn't make that much of a difference
right? 6.5 seconds when did you make that up? Your right about it being physically
impossible it defies the laws of gravity. Try again and make up a number that's
at least supportive of your delusion. Please look at this link I know it's a
lot of math but you can don it yourself and not rely on someone telling you
www.debunking911.com.... Quit following clueless people, it took me
this long to reply to you because you cite Dr. Jones. Dr. Jones wrote a paper
"Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?" when questioned by the
engineering dept at BYU about his paper not being accurate and not being peer
reviewed he submitted it to scholars for 9/11 truth and peer reviewed it
himself seeing as he is a co-founder scholars for 9/11 truth and is one of the
reviewers he essentially validated his own work. And as for Alex Jones what a
crackpot if it's true a secret society is ruling the world why is he the only
one who knows about it? What about precedent how many times has the west been
attacked in the name of Islam or how about how many time have planes been
hijacked in the name of Islam? Now How many time has the west attacked its'
self? Please only verifiable answers. And hey just because your paranoid. Doesn’t
mean there not after you, or does it?

Where is George Patton when

Where is George Patton when you need a good old cowardly troop slapping?

Wait...Has anyone heard from Thought Police in the last 24 to 48 hours?  HMMMMMMMMMMMMM.......

The only thing you should feel when shooting insurgents is the rifle recoil.

 

Nothing significant will

Nothing significant will happen to him - that is nothing that he will think is significant. 

The army, in most of these types of cases, holds a general courts martial, reduces the soldier to the lowest grade, PV-1, issues the soldier a dishonorable discharge and gets him/her out of the army by the most expeditious route.  With this characterization of service, all veterans' benefits are lost, regardless of past honorable service.

The sad part about this is there use to be some stigma associated with a dishonorable discharge.  Today, given the lack of knowledge of what it is to be a soldier, I doubt that it is even given a passing thought by most civilians. 

 

It appears he did serve at

It appears he did serve at least two years, possibly four.
I guess you sign up for life these days.

the really sad one was when

the really sad one was when a guy jumped the fence the day before his separation date but two years before his discharge date.

(4 year hitch = 6 year obligation.

separation date= the day they let you go.

discharge date=6 years after sign up when they send you the papers.)

 C