Disgraceful Anti-Military Blog at Daily Kos: Armed Forces Creating Serial Killers

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By Noel Sheppard | July 23, 2007 - 00:43 ET

The hatred for America's military emanating from the left in this nation reached a new low on Thursday when a blog was posted at Daily Kos entitled "KILLITARY: Are America's Armed Forces Creating Serial Killers and Mass Murderers?

In it, Corey Mitchell, a crime author and editor of In Cold Blog, addressed the "list of serial killers and mass murderers who have spent time in the military" while making the case that "a seemingly normal, everyday, All-American soldier [can] turn into a brain scooping cell phone camera posing beast."

Or, even Son of Sam or Jeffrey Dahmer. "It's all about the training."

According to Charles Johnson at Little Green Footballs:

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The leftist blogosphere went out of their way to cover this one up as quickly as possible.

It was posted at Daily Kos, as Ace relates. But the Kidz are on edge about their credibility, so it was deleted within hours. Just doesn't look right to be dissing the military when Kos is trying so hard to be the voice of the Democratic Party.

I actually had a window open to that page, and was going to write about it, but when I refreshed I saw it had been disappeared.

It was also posted at a "crime blog" called "In Cold Blog," and again it was deleted, when they realized it was being noticed.

Those that are interested in actually reading this unbelievable piece of detritus can either view the Google-cached version here, or the In Cold Blog version that Johnson has placed in an HTML version here.

However, please be forewarned. This is really disgusting stuff that will make you much angrier than you likely already are.

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.

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The Daily Kos me to throw up....

And those elitist scumbags think they have the moral high ground. God save us from the Democrats.... Happy Trails...

American Thinker is

American Thinker is investigating a similar story, There seems to be a pattern developing here from the left.

July 20, 2007
Who is TNR's mysterious author 'Scott Thomas'?

Sorry, I did something wrong, this did not connect.

It seems I'am an analog living in a digital world.

}}}----> Military Serial Killers

Other than John "Khan" Kerry, what other admitted serial killers have worn the uniform.

I'm just asking because I don't know for sure.  Does anybody have ready info on Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, Ted Kazinski, or the Green River Guy?  Maybe the Charlize Theron "Monster" character?

Maybe this is something we really should get solid info on.

LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Virtually all statistics on

Virtually all statistics on crime agree, military veterans have a lower crime rate than their civilian counterparts with NO military experience.  Even with the draft of he 1960-73 taken into effect, former soldiers commit less crime than their counterparts who never served.

Why is this?  It is likely that the selection/induction process weeds out those who are likely to commit crime.  THe military lifestyle itself actually makes it less likely that one will commit any crime just by its emphasis on field training and keeping soldiers away from potential opportunities.

For instance, an 18 year old kid who enlists in the army from Frost Bite Falls Minnesota (Less likely to commit crime already) will have committed fewer crimes than an 18 year old kid from New York City who does not enlist.  WHile Mr Frost Bite Falls serves in the field at Fort Hood He will have almost NO opportunity to commit crime compared to his counterpart from NYC who will probably do a few stints in jail during the same time period.

True now, not true before

BD, I would posit that this may be true now, but it was not true when I was draft eligible. Then, if you got your ass in trouble with the law, you had a choice, the military or prison. All took the military. Then ended up in the brig for other things. :)

 

Our real problem, then, is not our strength today; it is rather the vital necessity of action today to ensure our strength tomorrow. Dwight Eisenhower

Yeah, for low-end

Yeah, for low-end misdemeanors and such, but the stats do not Lie. 

THose who were likely to commit crimes were usually incarcerated by the military itself after offenses or chaptered out of the military shortly after induction.

Recommend reading BG Berketts book "Stolen Valor" which delves in the stats of that time frame quite well.

When I was a young LT in the early 80's I still had troops from the draft still in uniform and they pretty much confirmed the process of processing most who would not adapt out of the military.

Low-end felonies - BD

These were mostly low-end felonies. The misdemeanors were handled in house. On the flip side, I will say that the military straighten a lot of these kids out. So it was a positive thing. They were given a second chance.

Some made it, some did not. And I saw that some judges were trying this again.

 

Our real problem, then, is not our strength today; it is rather the vital necessity of action today to ensure our strength tomorrow. Dwight Eisenhower

I guess the socialists, the

I guess the socialists, the quasi-Marxists and assorted leftists nutjobs no longer feel the need to even pretend they support the troops.

So the spitting starts. First in words. Next in fact.

I expect John Kerry to start talking about Gengis Kahn and "hearings."

You've seen the spoof. Now see the spoof of the spoof on YouTube: The Clintpranos: Bada Bong

The Democrats are so busy

The Democrats are so busy about recreating another Vietnam, they are too busy to notice that unlike the North Vietmenese, the people we are fighting in Iraq will follow us home.

Well, isn’t this special!

Of the five “kill-crazed” soldiers cited in the main part of the article, only one was in combat, McVeigh, and he stands out from the rest.  His killing was with a bomb and not on a personal level like the others.
 
Jeffrey Dahmer, at age 18, killed his first victim which was several years before he joined the Army.  Trained as an Army medic, discharged within two years for habitual drunkenness, never in combat.
 
Charles Whitman, Marine, never in combat.

David Berkowitz, served 3 years with Army in Korea.   Never in combat 

Dean Corll, drafted in 1964, but released from the Army a year later on a hardship discharge.  Never in combat.

Timothy McVeigh, served in the Army as a gunner on a Bradley Fighting Vehicle during first Gulf War.

I grew bored doing simple fact checking so did not review the others.

Being Airborne, Ranger, and Special Forces; I have had the best training the Army can provide.  The few times that I encountered social misfits in my unit I got them discharged.  War is about protecting your country and protecting each other.  Killing, when necessary per the rules of engagement, is what the military is about; not killing for killing’s sake.

You would think the ones we need to be checking on as potential serial-killers are the doctors who perform partial birth abortions day after day after day.  Oh wait, never mind – they are serial killers.

}}}----> Thanks Ranger

I posted above that I'd like to know if there were other serial killers beyond the obvious John Kerry who admitted as such.

And lest the Left start lobbing insults at those of us "who stand and wait", let it be known I was a Chairborne Ranger in Germany in 72-73.  I never saw combat, and I have yet to start my killing spree.

LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Slacker!

Slacker!

Well done

Nice job, CrossWiseRanger. I hadn't even thought about that. The original article was an airheaded exercise in reinforcing their pre-existing prejudice against the military. When I first saw it, two rebuttals popped into my head. (1) Among those trained in the military, what's the proportion of serial killers versus law-abiding citizens? How many zero-point-zeros come before the answer? (2) Suppose we stipulate every ludicrous premise from the article, even though I oppose all of them -- what is the author recommending? That we get rid of the military? Or that we stop the military from teaching how to kill? It's ridiculous.

Cross Wise, Hoo-ah to you

Cross Wise, Hoo-ah to you this morning.

I think we need to use the same logic on the Anti-war protestors, after all, the leaders of these protests eventually led to....

One of them killing his girlfriend, putting her in a steamer trunk which he moved about with him for several years before he fled to France to avoid trial.

Several others beginning to rob banks which lead to placing bombs under police cars and other offenses which killed policemen.

Numerous others bombing College labaratories which killed several workers.

How do the protestors we are seeing today in the streets of Berkeley NOT get tarred with this, while we get tarrred with "THe son of Sam?"

Hoo-wha!!

Thank you for the time you invested in getting the facts. I agree with you, that not only are the military the best trained, they are also the most self controlled. I am disgusted by the media using a few examples to paint a black picture of our men and women in uniform. It is just another smoke screen to gather allies in their argument to get us out of Iraq. Then, if we have another Liberal in the White House in 2008, he will downsize the military(again) so we will be vulnerable to more attacks here at home(again).

I am an Air Force veteran, my husband is retired Air Force(26 years). My father is retired Navy(27 years). My grandfather retired Army(24 years). He fought during WWII and was in the trenches in Germany under Gen. Patton.

 

Whoa!! I thought partial birth abortions were illegal. That is just legalized murder of convenience.

"Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do & die..."

Historical note Felicia

I was unaware that Patton stopped long enough for his men to dig trenches. :)

Our real problem, then, is not our strength today; it is rather the vital necessity of action today to ensure our strength tomorrow. Dwight Eisenhower

Trenches

They had to hide somewhere.... ;-)

Patton and hiding

I thought that if you hid with Patton you either got your face slapped or you ass-kicked. :)

 

Our real problem, then, is not our strength today; it is rather the vital necessity of action today to ensure our strength tomorrow. Dwight Eisenhower

Felicia L... Just wanted

Felicia L...

Just wanted to extend my gratitude to you and your husband for you service.

...thanks.

Btw...I certainly agree with your great post.

Apologies for duplicate

Had to edit my post, so it appears to be there twice. The first one, I forgot to credit Lord Alfred Tennyson with the line from 'The Charge of the Light Brigade".

BTW...my husband spent 6 months of his last year in the service over in Kuwait. Yes, we are still there. If I had my years to live over again, I would have stayed in the Air Force longer. It was a good experience. And You are very welcome. ;-)

Hoo-wha!!

Thank you for the time you invested in getting the facts. I agree with you, that not only are the military the best trained, they are also the most self controlled. I am disgusted by the media using a few examples to paint a black picture of our men and women in uniform. It is just another smoke screen to gather allies in their argument to get us out of Iraq. Then, if we have another Liberal in the White House in 2008, he will downsize the military(again) so we will be vulnerable to more attacks here at home(again).

I am an Air Force veteran, my husband is retired Air Force(26 years). My father is retired Navy(27 years). My grandfather retired Army(24 years). He fought during WWII and was in the trenches in Germany under Gen. Patton.

 

Whoa!! I thought partial birth abortions were illegal. That is just legalized murder of convenience.

"Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do & die..."  Charge of the Light Brigade by Lord Alfred Tennyson

 

Studies, studies, studies

I wonder how many of these serial killers went to public school. I actually do not remember a lot of serial killers coming from private or parochial schools. Are public schools the breeding grounds of serial killers? More serial killers have gone to public school then have gone to the military.

I think we should be worrying about the PTSD of high school students.

 

Our real problem, then, is not our strength today; it is rather the vital necessity of action today to ensure our strength tomorrow. Dwight Eisenhower

NYTimes Motto - All the news they print to fit...their agenda.

Or is it that all those serial killers were born and that's why the Left want's abortion on every block, you know, to stop serial killers?

Inanity aside, one can draw any comparison and someone will believe it no matter how unvetted the information.  The article is a shamless and pointedly gross manipulation of data that defies the intellect.  It's structure and content is straight out of the Michael Moore school of half truths and sensationalism, where "every fact is a fact".   Yellow journalism may have a kernal of fact but it's still crap.

"Some say", "expert's believe", non-reporting of potential/actual bias of quoted informants and other tactics used to bend reality to an agenda are just plain propaganda.  The Liberal media machine is the most sophisticated use of propaganda I have ever witnessed.  I am amazed that despite it being transparent and foundationally weak, people eat it up like the good little soylent green eaters they're supposed to be.

I just had a brief, very brief, conversation with a neighbor who is old school democrat with new school liberalism blended in, in other words a NeoLiberal.  Our discussion was on AGW and that I didn't believe it was settled science, especially in view of trillions that may be potentially spent.  I mentioned how scientists in the rest of the world were beginning to denounce AGW as "settled" science, how the IPCC report was a politically based report which prefaced the entire report as conjecture because they were unable to model all that's necessary in order to be able to make reasonably accurate predictions, blah, blah, blah.  My neighbor's reply was none of what I said was borne out by her reading in the New York Times, the New Yorker. and another in-kind publication.  When I said of course you won't read any of the opposing side in those publications due to their bias, she said I sounded like Rush Limbaugh.  I told her I don't listen to Rush at all, to which she expressed disbelief and walked away.

This person is a very well educated former teacher who's source of information is limited to one bias, yet thinks she is superiorly informed because the NYT's is impartial and the best news available in the land.  How many others, on both sides of the political spectrum, rely on just one voice for their news?  IMO, it is not that the NYT's is so prejudicial that is bad per se.  It is that people are lazily adhering to one voice for their news such that there is an exclusion of fact and perspective to afford the best opportunity to make wise conclusions. 

  

I have a Canadian friend

I have a Canadian friend who once said, "You know, with all those serial killers in America, you have to wonder if it's something endemic to their culture?" I told him, "hmm, do you think there's something endemic to Canadian culture when it breeds one of the worst serial killers ever in British Columbia, one Robert Pickton who stands accused of murdering 49 women?"


The silence was deafening -- most, like my friend, on the left don't think, they live in a cliched world, where pithy sayings and beliefs take the place of reasoned argument and debate. These same foolish people infiltrate our schools, get PhDs, and teach more morally foolish rubbish...oh, they have tons of intellectual brain matter, but very little wisdom. Sad, just sad.

UK has most prolific serial killer...

RR -- In the UK, Dr Harold Shipley murdered well in excess of 400 people from the early 1970s till he was caught in 2000 by a suspicious undertaker's assistant.

I am not sure if that is the most prolific, but it has to be up there. 400 is apparently a conservative estimate, by the way. Some think the figure was even higher.

You've seen the spoof. Now see the spoof of the spoof on YouTube: The Clintpranos: Bada Bong

First serial killer

The first serial killer identified was our old friend Jack the Ripper who just might be English nobility. :)

Our real problem, then, is not our strength today; it is rather the vital necessity of action today to ensure our strength tomorrow. Dwight Eisenhower

Aye, the same Jack the

Aye, the same Jack the Ripper who almost got poor Scotty convicted of murder on Argellius II!

 

AND THE VERY SAME "JACK

AND THE VERY SAME "JACK BAUER" POSTING HERE ON A REGULAR BASIS!!!

The Police are waiting outside, Jack - we can do this nice...or...

We can all join in on a chorus of "ROXANNE...YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT ON THE RED LIGHT:)" 

Looks like my meds have yet to kick in today:(...

Gay haters unite!

}}}----> Hey Romano

Unless I'm mistaken, Pickton was just trying to feed his starving pigs.  For this reason he doesn't fall into the serial killer category.

Similarly, since David Berkowitz was only following orders from his dog, he doesn't qualify either.

LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

yep. orders from his

yep. orders from his neighbors lab, no less. exactly like getting orders from an butterbar... exactly...

my lab always tells me to feed her, throw a ball, and scratch her belly. i don't know what the hell would cause her to want me to kill someone in central park.

theres something like 100,000+ soldiers rotating out of just the Army every year... so over 10 years or so, over a million men and women pass through and they get how many serial killers...?

more imporatantly, what political affiliation were all these serial murderers? somehow i don't think the majority were conservatives... maw

It's Markos's fault

At the top of this comments section it says "All comments are owned by whoever posted them and are subject to our terms of use. They should not be assumed to represent the views of NewsBusters."

But according to NewsBusters and Charles Johnson, on Daily Kos every single diary and comment is attributed not only to Daily Kos, the Daily Kos community and Markos personally, but to the entire "left in this nation". Funny how that works.

blogonator, Could you

blogonator,

Could you provide a link to where the contributors to NewsBusters or where Charles Johnson attribute all of Daily Kos's posting and blogs to Moulitsas himself?

I ask, because, unless I'm missing something, I don't see that assertion being made by either Mr. Sheppard or Mr. Johnson here.

And I'm thinking that if a blog is allowed on Daily Kos, then, yes, you can attribute it to ... Daily Kos. Unless what you meant to say was that the contributors to Newsbusters attribute the views expressed in all posts on Daily Kos to all of the contributors to Daily Kos and specifically to Moulitsas himself - in which case, again, can you provide a link?

hydro... Well ya know it

hydro...

Well ya know it is boganator and his leftist logic after-all....

As usual.

LMAO!

Hydro

Hydro,

Yes, we at NB do feel there is a difference between articles posted at this website and the comments made by members. Isn't it sad that some can't grasp that seemingly obvious distinction? ns

Noel, I'm guessing that

Noel,

I'm guessing that blogonator noticed the Comments Policy statement and got himself into a ecstatic tizzy thinking about how clever he was for noticing this "obvious" contradiction.

Perhaps, caught up in the emotional victory, he failed to actually think about what he was about to post.