
Apparently, MSNBC's Tucker Carlson is getting fed up with hearing Democrats talk about the need for reinstitutiing the Fariness Doctrine.
All those that agree say "aye."
With this in mind, on Thursday evening, Carlson absolutely demolished the absurd positions his guest, Rep. Maurice Hinchey (D-New York), was espousing for the need to bring back this archaic doctrine that was thrown out by a court back in 1987.
Unfortunately, Hinchey and his ilk live in the past concerning free speech on the airwaves, and Carlson adroitly exposed his many hypocrisies with this opening question (video available here, h/t Hot Air):
How exactly is Congress' intervention going to make it more fair, open and honest? As I understand it, your idea is, to force television stations to put certain political views on the air. Am I misunderstanding that?
Astoundingly, here was the Congressman's answer (better fasten your seatbelts):
The fact is, that the broadcast spectrum is owned by the general public, it's not owned by any individual or any corporation. And when people turn on their television, not cable, but the broadcast system openly, they should have an opportunity to get all forms of ideas and various opinions. All forms of opinions, so that people can make decisions for themselves, not have those decisions rammed on them by anyone else.
Anybody notice a flaw in the Congressman's position? As Carlson asked about television, not radio, the Congressman was actually suggesting that television viewers - not cable viewers - don't have "an opportunity to get all forms of ideas and various opinions."
In reality, I quite agree with the Congressman, for on the broadcast networks, Americans are only getting ideas from the left. Somehow, this got passed Hinchey.
Yet, the best hypocrisy was still to come when the Congressman actually uttered the following:
If you own a television station or a radio station, you have every right to put your opinion on. But if somebody else has an alternative point of view or alternative opinion, because the broadcast spectrum is owned by the general public, not by you as the owner of a station, then you have the responsibility to put anothers' points of view out there, too.
Carlson smelled blood:
OK. So if I say, the holocaust took place, many people in this country believe that it did not take place. So I'm required to put a holocaust denier on?
Delicious. Absolutely delicious. In fact, one could make the case that any point anyone wants to make, someone with an opposing view has to be allowed on the air regardless of how absurd or repulsive their position.
And, as unbelievable as it might seem, Hinchey actually espoused such a ludicrous idea:
Any particular point of view that you have, if somebody has an alternative point of view, then there is a responsibility to give that point of view an opportunity to be heard.
Unbelievable. Imagine that. A Congressman believes that any view being presented on television and radio should offer those with an alternate opinion the opportunity to be heard regardless of how absurd or baseless.
Do you think the Congressman actually believes this nonsense, or just sees how this would benefit his Party?
Regardless, what follows is a full transcript of this segment.
TUCKER CARLSON, HOST: Conservative talk radio dominates the air waves and that bothers some liberal members of Congress. They are trying to force stations to carry liberal talk as well. They call it the Fairness Doctrine. But is it fair or is it big brother run amok and does it challenge the first amendment? I spoke earlier to Democratic Congressman from New York, Maurice Hinchey, he is among those hoping to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine. I asked, if the federal government really ought to be in the business of controlling what people talk about on radio and TV? Here is what he said.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
REP. MAURICE HINCHEY, (D) NEW YORK: They shouldn‘t. Everybody should have the right to say what they want. The federal government should not be controlling it. It is just that we ought to do it in a way that is fair and open and honest.
CARLSON: How exactly is Congress' intervention going to make it more fair, open and honest? As I understand it, your idea is, to force television stations to put certain political views on the air. Am I misunderstanding that?
HINCHEY: Yes, I think you are, not understanding it completely. The fact is, that the broadcast spectrum is owned by the general public, it‘s not owned by any individual or any corporation. And when people turn on their television, not cable, but the broadcast system openly, they should have an opportunity to get all forms of ideas and various opinions. All forms of opinions, so that people can make decisions for themselves, not have those decisions rammed on them by anyone else.
CARLSON: But, wait a second. What if I own a TV station, and I want my opinion out there? You are going to tell me as a member of Congress, I have to include your opinion, too?
HINCHEY: If you own a television station or a radio station, you have every right to put your opinion on. But if somebody else has an alternative point of view or alternative opinion, because the broadcast spectrum is owned by the general public, not by you as the owner of a station, then you have the responsibility to put anothers' points of view out there, too.
CARLSON: OK. So if I say, the holocaust took place, many people in this country believe that it did not take place. So I‘m required to put a holocaust denier on?
HINCHEY: Any particular point of view that you have, if somebody has an alternative point of view, then there is a responsibility to give that point of view an opportunity to be heard.
CARLSON: Who is going to make these decisions?
HINCHEY: Well, these decisions are made by the agency that was set up in 1934 to make sure that we have a fair and open an honest broadcast system and that is the Federal Communications Commission.
CARLSON: So you can imagine a scenario under which the FCC would force a holocaust denier on a station. Would say you have to give this guy airtime. No, seriously. That seems to be what you are proposing.
HINCHEY: No, you are just trying to appeal to a situation that is really not at issue here.
CARLSON: Why wouldn‘t it be an issue? There are people who feel very strongly about the fact that the holocaust doesn't exist. So you as an officer of the federal government would force a station to put that person on?
HINCHEY: Anyone who feels that the holocaust doesn‘t exist, if they express that opinion, everyone is going to know that all the evidence points in the opposite direction. We all know that the holocaust did exist.
CARLSON: OK. But the point is, you would force a station to put that person on the air. I think that‘s demented, I guess, that‘s what I‘m saying..
HINCHEY: No, you I don‘t think you believe it's demented. I think that you are a fair person. You want fairness and openness and you want the people to have opportunities to hear other points of view.
CARLSON: Right, but I guess, it makes me very uncomfortable when government, when Congress decides what television stations ought to put on the air and what they can‘t put on the air. That does seem kind of a violation of our basic first amendment right, doesn‘t it?
HINCHEY: No, no, no. Quite the contrary. We all have a first amendment right. We all have the opportunity to express that right. But we don't want that opportunity to be limited just to the six corporations that own 85 to 90 percent of all the television and radio broadcast companies all across the country. There is no reason they should be the ones who have the right to express that opinion.
CARLSON: Well, but very-well for one thing, there is almost an endless number of other media through which people can express their opinions now, essentially for free online. But this may be an irrelevant conversation. But let's just get to the principal of it. Why exactly does Congress have the right, and doesn't it make you nervous to determine which opinions need to be counterbalanced by other opinions?
HINCHEY: No, I think that all opinions need to be counterbalanced by other opinions. Take for example, the way in which this administration fabricated the intelligence to justify the invasion of Iraq. That was done in a way that didn‘t allow opportunities for other points of view and other perspectives to be out there and to begin given to the American people.
The consequences of that illicit, illegal invasion of Iraq and the subsequent disastrous occupation is just one example of what can happen if you have a government, such as this administration, which completely dominated the media on that particular subject.
CARLSON: But wait a second, Congressman. As you know, most people don't get their news from broadcast television. The majority of Americans don't.
HINCHEY: Ah, but many ...
CARLSON: They get it front print, the internet, radio, from cable television.
HINCHEY: No.
CARLSON: And there were many opinions expressed, as you know, in the run up to war.
HINCHEY: No, no, no. Most people get their information over the general news. Most people, you know, out in the country, get their information over radio and television, normal broadcast systems. News programs, things of that nature.
CARLSON: So you don't like the news that is broadcast, so you want to use federal power to control it. Why not just become my assignment editor, what do you think of my show? Do you think I should have booked different guests? You see how this is ripe for abuse.
HINCHEY: Tucker, you are mistaken. You are mistaken.
CARLSON: I don't think I am.
HINCHEY: Well, I think you are. I think anybody listening to this will see that you are. It's not that we are trying to dominate what people say. It's the just opposite. We want a domination of information. We want a broad array of information.
CARLSON: But who is to decide?
HINCHEY: We want all of the information out there. Well, the decision is made by the broadcasters, but they have to justify those decisions by going back to the Federal Communications Commission, which is supposed to be operating on behalf of the general public, the American people.
CARLSON: Boy, it's an idea I couldn‘t disagree with more, but I appreciate your coming on to express it, Congressman. Thank you.
HINCHEY: Oh, I can‘t believe that you disagree with that.
CARLSON: Well, see we have all sides on this show. You don‘t need to regulate it.
HINCHEY: OK. That‘s good. That‘s good.
CARLSON: Thanks, Congressman.
HINCHEY: Thank you, Tucker.
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SCHMUCK!
July 20, 2007 - 23:45 ET by Mr. KafirHINCHEY: Any particular point of view that you have, if somebody has an alternative point of view, then there is a responsibility to give that point of view an opportunity to be heard.
But don't call him an anti-semite, right?
The key question is towards
July 21, 2007 - 00:12 ET by Tom1969caThe key question is towards the end: Who decides what constitutes "fairness"? Obviously it will be decided by either government, or an unelected bureaucracy. Either route has far too many ways to be abused...
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"We can stand here like the French, or we can do something about it."-- Marge Simpson
Nonsense! A censorship
July 21, 2007 - 03:48 ET by sarcasmoNonsense! A censorship system designed and controlled by a 2-party-duopoly system would never deliberately set aside views held by those of us who don't easily fall into that "tax and spend" or "borrow and spend" paradigm. Of course they'd be 'fair' to libertarian types like me, just like they were in the '70s & '80s! How can anyone be against a bill with "Fairness" in the title, anyway? Isn't that like being against an act with "Patriot" in the title?? All those reprehensible opponents of big government getting even-bigger must be against fairness for all, and they're probably unpatriotic, to boot!
JMR (Taking the usual sarcasm to an extreme this AM)
Or...........
July 21, 2007 - 21:32 ET by Scout FinchLike McCain/Feingold's "Campaign Finance Reform" made it easier for liberals to hide their money sources. Anytime a Congressman/woman labels a bill with the words "Fairness" or "Reform" in it, the people are doomed.
Noel
July 21, 2007 - 00:43 ET by Dave RYou almost could have titled this article "Tucker Carlson (temporarily) grows a spine."
(I guess it is pretty safe to say that I am not exactly a charter member of the Tucker Carlson Fan Club).
I will have to give Tucker credit, though, as it appears he actually gets it on this issue.
Help Fred defeat everybody.
What about sports talk
July 21, 2007 - 00:47 ET by hordogWhat about sports talk radio?
Will The Ohio State Buckeyes Sports Radio Network be forced to broadcast Michigan games too?
Or will Pittsburgh stations be required to have a pro-Cleveland Browns call in show? (note: that may be the first time the words "Browns" and "pro" have been used in the same sentence)
Free maket = give the people what they want
"fairness" doctrine = give the people what we tell them they want
There's one thing we can
July 21, 2007 - 03:58 ET by sarcasmoThere's one thing we can learn from this Democrat's words -- it's all in the ownership. If "the public" owns the electromagnetic spectrum, we'll continue with the socialism and have an expensive "tragedy of the commons." If spectrum is sold to the highest bidder, we can have free markets and unthreatened free speech. Why people are against this is beyond me. As a member of the public, I don't feel any ownership at all over spectrum, anyway. If I owned a particular segment of spectrum, though, I'd act like any property owner acts and try to make my property more valuable by upsetting the political left & the right at the same time, because doing that is what I value.
JMR
You have to remember that
July 21, 2007 - 04:54 ET by motherbeltYou have to remember that there are those who are concerned that the current system isn't meeting the public's "listening needs." We are not entitled to listen to what we want, we have "listening needs." Shut up and you'll be told what you "need" to hear!
That's what gets to me. The
July 21, 2007 - 05:07 ET by sarcasmoThat's what gets to me. The faith and trust these "Fairness" Doctrine supporters place in bureaucrats to know what's best over the marketplace. I don't know whether to call it ignorance or hubris, but it makes me want to see how they'd react if, by some nightmare, sarcasmo was ever the "trusted" bureaucrat in question. It's about like my idea of teaching public school history. I'd be able to do it teaching ONLY the truth and I guarantee lots of parents would be SCREAMING about professor sarcasmo trying to "indoctrinate" their kids just like I tend to bitch about public schools now, but much louder. Remember, I'd limit myself to ONLY the truth, no opinions, just facts, but I can guarantee it'd happen, and the outcry would be bipartisan...
JMR
I am visualizing Sarc
July 21, 2007 - 09:04 ET by Roger the ShrubberI am visualizing Sarc adding Hinchey to his Xmas card list.... hahah
A Congressman believes that
July 21, 2007 - 04:48 ET by motherbeltA Congressman believes that any view being presented on television and
radio should offer those with an alternate opinion the opportunity to
be heard regardless of how absurd or baseless.
OK, in the same league as the holocaust deniers, bring on the AGW skeptics!! Yeah, right.
That would have been a better example for Tucker.
July 21, 2007 - 21:38 ET by Scout FinchI'd love to know what Hinchey would have said if Carlson said there must be a GW 'denier' every time someone on broadcast or cable news displays their religious zeal about GW.
I'm for a slightly
July 21, 2007 - 06:52 ET by nnptcgradI'm for a slightly different version of the Fairness act: For every minute of covering some worthless piece of crap (Paris, Twitney, Lindsay) they must also broadcast one minute of serious, true news.
Mother nature is a bitch - Ninth Corollary of Murphy's Law
OK. if "the public" owns
July 21, 2007 - 07:11 ET by Seabeach4348OK. if "the public" owns the airwaves, then why not just do a national referendum and let "the public" (NOT the government) decide what they want to hear and what is garbage?
Fair enough?
I have an even better idea
July 21, 2007 - 07:34 ET by sarcasmoI have an even better idea that's an improvement on yours! They could "vote" using money, without involving my taxes at all!! ;)
JMR
Government does not "own the airwaves"
July 21, 2007 - 07:43 ET by doctorfixitTheir arguments start with a flawed premise - that the government "owns the airwaves" . Of course, they never say it that way, they say the public owns the airwaves. But they really mean that the FCC owns the airwaves. The FCC doesn't represent the public interest any more than Congress or "the government" does. They represent the power elites whose goal is eliminating competition. If the public really owned the airwaves, then there would be a free market where any individual or corporation could invest their resources in setting up a broadcasting system, without any government interference, and let competition and free market choices determine who succeeds and who fails. Instead of public ownership with a free flow of ideas, the elites want the central authority to determine the content and to protect their interests. It's time for satellite radio and other technologies to take this power away from government and give it back to the public.
Bee Blogger
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For Sale - One Portion of Public Airwaves
July 21, 2007 - 16:16 ET by acumenI also disagree with the concept; "The PUBLIC owns the airwaves". If that were true, then why haven't I along with all other Americans (read PUBLIC) been receiving a monthly paycheck (rent?) from those broadcasting on "our" airwaves. Wouldn't FCC owned airways be more accurate?
Of course in lieu of a monthly rent check I could be talked into selling my share of the "PUBLIC" airways in return for a one-time payment at a negotiated sum. If any airamericaheads are interested, my price will include a very handsome Airwaves Deed of Sale Certificate that will bookend nicely with trendy Carbon Credit Vouchers.
Rep. Maurice Hinchey (D-New York), from the Moonbats Caucus
July 21, 2007 - 08:10 ET by CTHINCHEY: "...Take for example, the way in which this administration fabricated the intelligence to justify the invasion of Iraq. That was done in a way that didn‘t allow opportunities for other points of view and other perspectives to be out there and to begin given to the American people.
The consequences of that illicit, illegal invasion of Iraq and the subsequent disastrous occupation is just one example of what can happen if you have a government, such as this administration, which completely dominated the media on that particular subject..."
Advocates of the regularly debunked comments I emphasized above are not qualified to serve in elective government, they do however represent Pelosi's Moonbat Caucus.
CARLSON: "Well, see we have all sides on this show. You don‘t need to regulate it." And he should have added 'even crackpots like you!’
Dishonesty
July 21, 2007 - 08:20 ET by regimeofterrorThe goal isn't and won't be to bring fairness or anything like that to the debate. It's only an attempt to grab votes by damaging the other side of the aisle, as is their treatment of Iraq, taxes and the rest of their demagoguery.
Saddam Hussein and terrorism. The rest of the story...
http://www.regimeoft...
RegimeOT
July 21, 2007 - 08:46 ET by BlondeInteresting blog you've got going there. I'm sorry I've never checked it out before today. I'll be spending some time reading.
Hinchey a Congressman? Somebody actually voted for him???
July 21, 2007 - 09:20 ET by ThisnThatThe Fairness Doctrine is where it all starts: You will be required to broadcast what we tell you to put on the air.
1984 is where it ends up: You will be required to listen to what we put on the air.
In either case, this Hinchey chap revealed his true colors with the statement: "The consequences of that illicit, illegal invasion of Iraq and the subsequent disastrous occupation is just one example of what can happen if you have a government, such as this administration, which completely dominated the media on that particular subject." The more these people say things like this, the more I love it -- the Democrats are exposing themselves, every day and in every way, as a complete morally-bankrupt organisation, and I think they are going to go down, very hard, very soon.
TNT 1984 is where it ends
July 21, 2007 - 09:27 ET by BlondeTNT
1984 is where it ends up: You will be required to listen to what we put on the air.
And you know who will be doing the "requiring", yes?
The 1984 Dragon-Lady
July 21, 2007 - 09:51 ET by ThisnThatBlonde -- I had forgotton all about that video. And yes, she has precisely the right personality to make us all forget about freedom, in favor of group hugs in the "global village".
Plus her many comical
July 21, 2007 - 10:02 ET byPlus her many comical characters
"The more I study science, the more I believe in God." Einstein
Reminds me of a greeting card I received a while back
July 21, 2007 - 10:53 ET by ThisnThatArkansas Definition of flares -- Those long-stemmed plants with pretty petals that smell so nice.
Wish I had an instantantly-recognizable regional accent I could also use to "fit in" to every situation. What a phoney she is. And it's pathetic that the MSM continues to think her fakeness is so unnoticeable.
Her fine acting is almost
July 21, 2007 - 10:56 ET byHer fine acting is almost as good as Bill Shatner as "Captain James T Kirk"
"The more I study science, the more I believe in God." Einstein
TnT, That video most
July 21, 2007 - 10:04 ET by BlondeTnT,
That video most succinctly describes HRC. She wants to be Big Brother (note, I didn't say Big Sister). As far as I'm concerned, she can take her village and....well, you know.
I'd not exactly forgotten it, but your post just clicked....and I thought I'd re-post it here.
Its funny and scary in a very, very real way.
happy Saturday BlondeTo
July 21, 2007 - 10:23 ET byhappy Saturday Blonde
To continue on the HRC Big Brother connection. The other half is the ability to deny abject reality with a straight face. When asked recently about Juanita Broadrick, the Hildabeast answered "Who's that?". I don't believe that any voter can be stupid enough to believe that HRC does not know (and has not personally directed a smear campaign against) Juanita
"The more I study science, the more I believe in God." Einstein
Quite right, Bruce. The
July 21, 2007 - 10:23 ET by BlondeQuite right, Bruce.
The woman is dangerous, disingenuous, and a dirty fighter.
Your link to the "Suthun Hillary" just ices that cake.
Everything about her makes my skin crawl...the blind ambition (IMO) alone is enough to disqualify her for running for dog catcher, much less President of the United States of America.
And if she even thinks she is qualified to be CIC....oh, save me from the fit I'm about to have. The Clintons were known to absolutely despise and denigrate the military while they were in the White House.
She's such a "hawk" she's demanding full disclosure and a public discussion of our plans for withdrawl from Iraq? She's not qualified to be the Village Idiot if this is her idea of security. Why not just FedEx our strategy to the enemy?
Sheesh. I have to stop now. Seriously.
Loved this sentance in
July 21, 2007 - 10:31 ET byLoved this sentance in particular from your link:
Soon to follow will be Free Health Care, at the low low price of an additional 30% of our paychecks.
Not to mention this one
She will make sure the Supreme Court will remain tilted Conservatively by replacing as many Justices with reasonable facsimiles of Ruth Bader Ginsberg.
Might i add that she will ensure all Americans get their vote by re-instituting the absentee ballot ban on military overseas
"The more I study science, the more I believe in God." Einstein
Bruce, Uncle Jimbo at
July 21, 2007 - 10:38 ET by BlondeBruce,
Uncle Jimbo at Blackfive is one of my fav's. I'd love to see his stuff here. He does a video called "Friday Free-Fly" (which he's not done in a few weeks, come to think of it) that are so funny, but spot-bloody-on.
I can't believe I'm spending my Saturday getting wrapped around the axle about HRC (I refuse to call her names....but every time I type "HRC" I think to myself that that's the way she refers to herself...."Her Royal Clinton"), but if she's our next CIC....and apparently 63% of us believe that to be the case, I think I'm going to have to seriously research living outside the borders of the U.S. of A.
Blonde
July 21, 2007 - 10:45 ET byActually you introduced me to Blackfive many months ago when i first got here and I've enjoyed it since then. Thank-you
Living outside the US? say it ain't so, 3 reasons
We need you here
There really is no place to go
Wait for the reaction pendulum
"The more I study science, the more I believe in God." Einstein
Bruce, Thanks....glad
July 21, 2007 - 10:57 ET by BlondeBruce,
Thanks....glad you're enjoying B5.
As to the rest, I originally was going to say "seriously researching suicide"....but that's just not me....and entirely too dramatic, in any case.
I don't know....there are warmer climes than Florida where I could have alot of fun fishing & diving....I'm thinking Costa Rica or maybe Panama....just have to figure out how to make a living.
My main concern would be to keep the Marxist witch out of my pocket. Oh how I hope she melts down soon.
Blonde How do you do
July 21, 2007 - 11:01 ET byBlonde
How do you do that? You double-posted then made the second one disappear. I usually have to edit the second one to be blank or say ooops.
"The more I study science, the more I believe in God." Einstein
Blonde
July 21, 2007 - 10:17 ET by shawn228Hi Blonde,
Imagine in the next few months watching her speeches on your inch Plasma in high def, wrinkles and all.
Not going to happen,
July 21, 2007 - 10:27 ET by BlondeNot going to happen, Shawn.
I had a public fit here during the last demo debate...much to Mighty's reading amusement the next day.
I'm a nice person, really, but HRC just makes me want to scream like a banshee. I despise the witch. That pic of her with the "cleavage" here is enough to make me gag.
Wrinkles
July 21, 2007 - 11:01 ET by ThisnThatDid anyone catch the video of her last Thursday during Reid's pajama party? She and Helen Thomas could almost be sisters.
Will need to get a botox
July 21, 2007 - 11:03 ET byWill need to get a botox referral from Kerry
"The more I study science, the more I believe in God." Einstein
If these clowns weren't
July 21, 2007 - 09:43 ET by dervishIf these clowns weren't serious, this debate would be hilarious in the way it stands reality on its head. The people who THINK they're getting an even treatment of the issues, and aren't, are the sheeple who depend on network news for their information. Anyone with an anti-Bush viewpoint, even demonstrable idiots like Cindy Sheehan, has had nearly open access to the broadcast networks. Forcing them to broadcast opposing (i.e. conservative or libertarian -- HT sarcasmo) viewpoints would raise an outcry from the left and sweep Hinchey and his crew out of office.
They're obviously aiming at conservative talk radio, where of course the opinions tilt to the right -- but they don't claim otherwise. The people who listen to Limbaugh, Levin, Hannity, et al., generally KNOW that they're listening to commentary partial to one side, and if they want the opposing view NPR is always available right down the dial.
I won't watch "Hannity and Colmes" because I don't like Hannity enough to endure Colmes. That's the same effect the "Fairness" guys hope to have on the radio.
Colmes is the problem
July 21, 2007 - 09:53 ET by ThisnThatI agree, dervish -- I also stopped watching that program for exactly the same reason. No way I can stand Colmes. What a kiss-a$$ to the left. Talking points galore, from him.
Absurd Premises
July 21, 2007 - 10:11 ET by KC MulvilleYou say we should have a Fairness Doctrine. I say we don't. You have your opinion and I have mine. We've both broadcast our opinions on the airwaves. So where's the problem here? Wait, I know! It isn't good enough that any one media outlet is fair and balanced. Your premise is that every outlet must broadcast every opinion. Why? That works on several absurd premises. Besides the obvious ones (government bureaucracy, who decides?, why don't we apply the same rules to TV?, etc.), here are some that are also ridiculous:
There are plenty of others. But the absolutely stupidest premise ...
Some people get elected
July 21, 2007 - 10:48 ET by pbthinkerI'm sure you've all seen the jokes "And these people vote"! well, it seems this guy could be a joke that says, "And these people get elected." The Democrats seem to believe that talk radio was responsible for the demise of the Immigration Bill. Could it be that the demise of the bill was the back-room methods used to draw it up and it was a really poor bill? Nah!
I'm sure the Democrats would think Talk Radio was just fine, if they could cram Randi Rhodes down everyone's throat. They don't understand that Air America had more opportunity than any conservative radio had, handed them on a platter by the MSM, and they couldn't deliver a viable product. Of course, they just can't see that.
Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
It's even more absurd than that . . .
July 21, 2007 - 11:54 ET by GalvanicNoel: ". . . All forms of opinions, so that people can make decisions for themselves, not have those decisions rammed on them by anyone else." Anybody notice a flaw in the Congressman's position? As Carlson asked about television, not radio, the Congressman was actually suggesting that television viewers - not cable viewers - don't have "an opportunity to get all forms of ideas and various opinions."
Re-read what Hinchey asserts. He's stating, in no uncertain words, that broadcast media (And we know he's referring to talk radio) makes decisions for people and "rams them" on an audience that -- lacking alternative information -- has no choice but to accept them. Hinchey's inference, of course, is that the talk radio audience is sheep-like and not intelligent enough to make its own decisions, let alone know where to find other sources of information and opinion. His position is one of typical liberal arrogance.
And what about NPR?
July 21, 2007 - 16:06 ET by skclewisI would have to wonder what Rep. Hinchey would say about NPR? I have yet to hear anything remotely non-liberal on it. Following his logic (if that's what it is), then for every news or opinion program on NPR you would have to have the opposite. I would love to see Rush or Ann Coulter or Sean Hannity shows on NPR.
Along another path, the whole discussion has also been using news in terms of fairness. But as posted above, what about sports? What about music? Again if the DemLib line of reasoning (and I know that term is being stretched) is followed, if I turn on a heavy metal music station, then I would have every right to demand they also play some Bach or C&W, or other style of music.
It all boils down the the DemLib socialists wanting to take control of our lives because in their elitist nirvana they only know what is best. Every time I hear or read one of these people lately, I become more and more convinced they are all having LSD flashbacks to their days on Haight-Ashbury and Woodstock.
Tucker missed an easy one.. Noel
July 21, 2007 - 16:43 ET by Gary HallI believe Tucker missed an easy one Noel. Let's take this point of Hinchey's:
First of all, I don't think that there is a heck of a lot of empirical evidence that this [Bush] administration "fabricated the intelligence," but let's think about what the presentation by the media, and thte majority of it's guests, and 'expert witnesses" has been for the past 5 years on he issue of WMD's. There may be plenty of evidence, after the fact, that two administrations had it wrong. My view is that the second of these two inherited the view from the 1st of these two, and presented the same general picture.
By and large, the record does show that the presentation of the Bush administration on the existence of WMD's in Iraq, the ability of Iraq to reconstitute WMD's the threat to it's neighbors, and the fear of the risk of those WMD's to end up in the hands of rogue states and/or terrorists was the same as that presented by the Clinton administration; both during it's occupation of the White House and repeated, often enough, after it left the White House. Let me state that the Clinton Administration (this includes Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Sec's Albright and Cohen, etc.), both after they left office and during the run up to war (the presentation of the intelligence) were quite clear in supporting the general view being offered by the Bush administration. They may have differed on the issue of actually going to war, but not on the issue of WMD's. Indeed the country deserved to have a debate on the first of these two issue, not on the latter.
This record is easily obtainable - these statements by those named Clinton administration officials. But they are difficult to come by if one is searching the MSM for them. In fact, even Fox News was lacking in covering this support of the common thread between the Bush and Clinton administrations. While there seemed to be some interest in hearing the Bush administration and it's supporters defend itself, there was little interest in letting the public hear the actual views from those that would have simply ended the debate.
What was missing in the media was a willingness to offer to the viewer, the reader and the listener theses very same top brass views which were available to the media to offer. These views would have put to bed the constant unified effort by the media to generally present only the view of those trying to prove that only one administration fabricated the WMD claims.
There was no rush to fairness. In fact, on this issue if WMD's, I wonder if any single MSM outlet has ever made one single effort to actually show the public these very consistent views. And did a single anchor, or reporter when conducting one of the thousands of interviews in which the guest claimed that "this Bush administration misrepresented, or lied, about WMD's," in which interviewer shot back, "so do you think that Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Sec. Albright, Sec. Cohen are lying also?" I think that the best we ever got was something generic catch all phrase like, "Well, there were many who believed Iraq still possessed these capabilities."
This also holds true on the "16 word's" in the STOTU" address - the resulting Wilson/Plame/Libby event. Bill Clinton defended Bush on it. David Boies attacked Fitzgerald on it. Plenty of other experts on the matter defended Bush on the issue. The media did not present these other views to the public. There was no rush to fairness, here. In the past, in the Swift Boat story, and in comparison the Bush National Guard story; the vast majority of the MSM coverage (and the number of it's witnesses) supported John Kerry view and opposed Bush's view, respectively. There was no rush to fairness.
Hinchey may actually be onto something. Maybe we do need some guidelines in getting the factual news out to the public.
For the record, I've posted in my comments many times the evidence of which I speak and I'm just skipping it today.
Tucker Carlson has been
July 21, 2007 - 17:14 ET by bigtimerTucker Carlson has been outspoken about this for quite a bit now, for which I am glad.
this whole thing with the Fairness Doctrine has been laid out for quite awhile through John Podesta's site, which in turn is used by others that all are working together to get this accomplished, have been quite awhile.
You have Soros, Hillary of course, Rahm Emanuel, Media Matters all working hand in hand via the dem party of course.
I have inserted numerous links about all of this....
I will just put a couple here for anyone interested.
I had one with Podesta's site and al the members and info in it, but anyone interested can google his name and see all the BS they are planning and we are up against.
I would but I am in the middle of a couple of things, may later.
"Fairness" Doctrine
July 22, 2007 - 09:12 ET by mytwocentsLet me get this straight. Are the same people that will decide what is fair on the public airwaves the same ones that knew instinctively what to do about illegal immigration reform? They need to come clean right now and rename this to the "Shut up you stupid conservatives" Doctrine.