Open Thread: Another Childish Slam at SCOTUS
Today's starter topic: President Obama clearly isn't a believer in the phrase speak softly and carry a big stick. He took another angry shot at the Supreme Court yesterday, warning it not to throw out his dreadful health insurance law:
"And I'd just remind conservative commentators that, for years, what we have heard is, the biggest problem on the bench was judicial activism, or a lack of judicial restraint, that an unelected group of people would somehow overturn a duly constituted and passed law," Obama said.
"Well, this is a good example, and I'm pretty confident that this court will recognize that and not take that step," he said.
Once again, however, Barack Obama is peddling a distorted view of what conservatives actually think. Judicial activism refers to judges engaging in striking down laws and then engaging in their own legislating from the bench. A court which avoids judicial activism may indeed strike down all kinds of laws but only if they are unconstitutional.
Today's other topic: The University of Kentucky won its first NCAA championship since 1998, beating the University of Kansas 67-59. While many are giving the Wildcats their due, some are critical of UK coach John Calipari's "one and done" idea of recruiting players and keeping them on the team for a short period of time before they head to the NBA. On the other hand, considering that colleges themselves make hundreds of millions of dollars from their unpaid "student-athletes," isn't this system more fair to people who'd like to capitalize on their skills and bodies being at their top condition?
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Two thoughts...
Submitted by c5then on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 10:10am.
Obama shows the utter contempt with which he holds the Constitution.
College Basketball is, and has been for many years, the minor league to the NBA. They are NOT student athletes, they are professional athletes that are auditioning for big money contracts.
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
True, both.
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 10:23am.
I like your notion of "auditioning" for the bigs.
As any big college program knows, the competition for the top high school athletes is fierce, and often the recruiting hinges on things like immediate playing time, and how many players at that program go on to the next level. Can't blame Calipiari for his "system"....it keeps the money coming in, and the rest of the athletic program at KY funded. And delivers the swagger, too. Which is always a good thing when it's your school.
Draft bust Ryan Leaf arrested again (well, it is an OT).
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Who Said
Submitted by stratman on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 4:36pm.
Don't hate the playa - Hate the game
And this man was an instructor in Constitutional law
Submitted by Galvanic on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 10:13am.
Obama's total misrepresentation of the Supreme Court's Constitutional role and history is beneath the dignity of the office he was elected to. Even some Leftist pundits are conceding that he is completely wrong on this.
If Obama intends to run against the Court should his precious legislation be deemed un-Constitutional, I believe it will cost him votes.
Is it any wonder that so many Leftist lawyers try to reinvent the Constitution when they've been taught by the likes of Obama?
As for college football and basketball, let's drop all the pretense at amateurism. Let the colleges pay the players what they are worth and stop exploiting them.
Yes, Total misrepresentation...
Submitted by retrocon on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 10:48am.
But it's intentional.
To get to a socialist dictatorship, the "laws" that are passed by the legislature, and orders issued by the POTUS, must supersede our restrictive constitution.
So, Obama and the left want the court to eliminate the constraints that are the US Constitution, but uphold the laws passed that greatly extend the power of the federal government beyond those constraints.
The get it, they want it.
With the full knowledge of, and a warm welcome for the coming tyranny.
Obama directs Justice not to enforce DOMA
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:14am.
Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) was PASSED by CLINTON and Obama directs the Justice Dept. not to enforce. The irony here is amazing and the LSM won't see it. He is a (deliberate) lying enemy of the State. Congress should do their job and impeaching the traitor. The Supreme Court, in this case, is doing exactly what it is supposed to do. Judicial activism is when they add, ignore or legislate from the bench even when the people have VOTED otherwise. Like on homosexual marriage and abortion. There is NO right to kill another innocent person because they are inconvenient. Science proves a human life starts at conception. Proven fact.
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
This is just Obysmal lying as usual......
Submitted by Tomorama on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 10:12am.
No, No, NO, the most blatant bit of Bull**** of the mouth came from Hillary when again bringing up the months old Rush stupidity as she proclaimed it a "verbal assault"....
Of course her Sugar Daddy and his MANY PHYSICAL ASSAULTS this ***** never said a damn thing about don't really count.
I thought our king was this great CONSTITUTIONAL Lawyer
Submitted by syvyn11 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 10:17am.
I'm not even a law student and I know what Marbury Vs. Madison means. Does Obama.
It's UK not KU
Submitted by syvyn11 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 10:18am.
Kentucky is called UK. Calling it KU in the state would mean a jail sentence (if you're lucky) or worse in some counties in redneck parts of Ky.
LOL Thanks
Submitted by Matthew Sheffield on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:46pm.
I don't follow college athletics so I wasn't aware of that. Duly fixed.
LOL, Matt...you almost started a Blue/White race war!!!
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:53pm.
Those of us who follow it are serious as a heart attack.
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Pharoah reminds us
Submitted by Savonarola on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 10:27am.
that not only is Harvard NOT the best college in the country, it is not even the best college in Cambridge, Mass.
This is the second time Obama
Submitted by celator on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 10:28am.
This is the second time Obama has publicly mocked or threatened the Supreme Court--the first being his infamous State of the Union Address where he derided them for their Citizens United decision. Just wait and see how he and his radical cronies behave if SCOTUS rules against ObamaCare. It will make OWS look like a walk in the park.
"Nice Supreme Court ya got
Submitted by NC Cop on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 10:35am.
"Nice Supreme Court ya got there....be a shame if something happened to it."
Who knows what could happen?
Submitted by almostacowboy on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 10:54am.
Gas leak explosion, earthquake breaking windows, faulty brakes, drunken chauffeur.......... ;->
WIll Justice Thomas get "Cain-ed"
Submitted by CarlosS on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:23am.
How long before the 45 year-old-ish blondes start coming out of the Chicago woodwork to claim that Justice Thomas made some comment to them in private? It worked really well to get Herman Cain out of the running.
Problem is
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:26am.
I don't think a Supreme Court Justice has ever been removed. I doubt even Obama could do that. Well, not until he makes his dictator status official.
The Chicago way
Submitted by CarlosS on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:37am.
is not outright removal, just sufficient intimidation/muscle/arm-twisting to get the victim to be more aggreeable.
But as the Supremes are there for life,
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:10pm.
and Thomas has taken a $h!tload already, I highly doubt they'll succeed.
Needed 2/3 approval so got off Chase trial of 1805
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 1:47pm.
History of it: http://www.ashbrook.org/publicat/onprin/v4n4/franck.html
Snip:
Chase, an ardent Federalist, was impeached by the Jeffersonian Republicans in the House of Representatives for behavior while presiding over circuit court proceedings that, depending on one’s point of view even today, can be called either mildly intemperate or highly improper. Following a Senate trial in which arguments at both extremes were made regarding the impeachment power— the view that any grounds for removal by Congress are permissible vying with the position that only indictable crimes are impeachable— Chase was acquitted on all charges, though on three of the eight counts a majority of the Senate voted to convict (falling short of the two-thirds vote required).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Chase
snip: Samuel Chase (17th April 1741 – June 19, 1811) was an Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court and earlier was a signatory to the United States Declaration of Independence as a representative of Maryland. Early in life, Chase was a "firebrand" states-righter and revolutionary.[2] His political views changed over his lifetime and in the last decades of his career he became well-known as a staunch Federalist, and was impeached for allegedly letting his partisan leanings affect his court decisions. Chase was acquitted.
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
What about the lawsuit against Arizona....?
Submitted by NeoKong on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 10:35am.
He didn't seem to have a problem when a federal judge struck down their tough immigration enforcement law.
What about the states that have enacted more stringent voter ID laws only to have some federal judge strike it down.
Then we can take a little trip to California and talk about the ban on gay marriage that once again...is struck down by a judge.
Look to Wisconsin and the shenanigans that the judges in that state have pulled with the recall election.
They are actually tampering with the process with their authority.
Then why don't we examine his early career and look at how many times he had somebody knocked off the ballot by legal maneuvering.
He has no credibility on this.
You miss the point, Neo...
Submitted by retrocon on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 10:52am.
Striking down state laws is what they want the SCOTUS to do. That just strengthens the central, federal, political bureaucracy. They want power in D.C., in their hands, not at the state legislatures.
This is by far, the most Constitution unfriendly administration in the history of this country. Yes, in that regard, they have surpassed FDR.
Obama must know the court will rule...
Submitted by Conservator on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 10:36am.
...the individual mandate is unconstitutional. Only an idiot would attack the Supreme Court Justices for so-called "activism" if he thought there was a chance that the Court hasn't decided the case when it met last Friday. Would any President make such an ignorant comment about the Court if he thought he might still get the "swing vote" of Justice Kennedy?
Obama once again proves that he's the most arrogant, narcissistic and incompetent President we've had in at least the past 60 years. There's only one explanation that could account for a Constitutional Attorney like Obama for slamming the roll of the Court prior to their decision; again he must already know the individual mandate will ruled unconstitutional.
Regarding the NCAA championship, I don't believe it merits any attention on the same Blog about Obama and the Supreme Court.
So who is the Leaker?
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 10:39am.
My money would be on Kagan.
She should have recused herself.
I think it's going to be struck down in a 6-3 decision. Sotomayor going along with the majority.
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Blonde*
Submitted by NOLAgirl on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 10:53am.
you and I are so in agreement that kagan should have recused. I was speaking with a friend of mine (lawyer) who teaches constitutional law and he told me she can recuse right before the vote if she chooses. I didn't know that- I thought it had to be done before arguments started. It will be interesting to see if she goes that route.
Kagen was appointed to support
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:10pm.
Obama and all his laws. No way is she going to desert her master.
I sort of got that feeling, too...
Submitted by retrocon on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 10:56am.
It would be nice if Sotomayor turned out to have a conscience, and decided to uphold her oath to the Constitution.
Perhaps her background gives her appreciation for the freedoms protected by that pesky piece of paper.
I would like to think
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:08am.
That she would be a latina smart enough to view her "historic" appointment to the Supreme Court to become the very best jurist she could be, rather than to blindly follow the ideology that placed her on The Court. If it were me, reaching the pinnacle of my profession that way, I would spend quite a bit of time reviewing how I'd arrived there. What did I do right, what did I do wrong? And then go from there.
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Maybe she has...
Submitted by c5then on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:16am.
What she did "right" that got her to the SCOTUS was to be completely and utterly ideological and dogmatic. She was appointed to the SCOTUS to be a counter-weight against Roberts, Alito and Scalia. The same is true for Sotomajore. It's just that intelectually she is a light-weight when compared to them. She should be assigned to write the dissenting opinion just to show how ideological and unConstitutional she is.
I wouldn't be surprised if Kagan was appointed to the SCOTUS specifically because they knew that it would eventually get there for a decision.
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
Isn't it done already?
Submitted by jon_torlin on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:46am.
Isn't the vote done already? How else would she know what the results are to leak it?(I agree, I bet she did leak it too)
Regardless of what happened with the SCOTUS, this is just one more example of why this dictator needs to be dealt with by Congress, but it's infuriating that they just chastise him for his comments.
Rush mentioned in his show that during the Q&A of this thing, that apparently the "wise latina" didn't know that hospitals are required to treat people anyway (she suggested that it should be done before realizing that it already is), and if she has any decency in her, she should add her vote to strike this vile concoction down. I use that the same way a mad scientist would put some kind of drink together that tastes nasty and says it's good for you, a vile concoction.
This dictator has done SO many things, it's just patently absurd that it's gone on this long, but as many have noted, including myself, the fault lies with Congress for not taking any action at all to stop him. I also fault the American people for letting this happen as well.
-Jon
More than likely it was Kagan.
Submitted by drsamherman on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:13pm.
She was never a judge so she would not perhaps have an understanding of the rules of being one.
I think she is so eager to please the President who appointed her that she would have announced the preliminary vote to Obama at the White House doing a Karaoke version.
Finally......
Submitted by MidAmerica on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 10:50am.
Much was made of obama's magnificence before he had even been elected. Who was he comparable to....JFK?, Lincoln?, Truman?, Reagan?.... well now we know. He's like FDR. FDR also saw the Supreme Court as an impediment to good government and sought to neutralize it through packing of the court with his appointees. If that idea hadn't already been tried and failed you know obama would be contemplating such a devious plan.
More like....
Submitted by almostacowboy on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 10:55am.
Woodrow Wilson.
Combination.
Submitted by c5then on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:10am.
FDR, Woodrow Wilson and Al Capone.
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
in a way...
Submitted by MidAmerica on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 10:58am.
As much as the country absolutely needs to be rid of obama, there is a sadistic side of me that would love to see a majority Republican congress that continually denies obama his proposals and strips away his overreaching sense of authority. I want to see him go into a meltdown.
Obviously
Submitted by chiefpayne on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:19am.
he is NOT confident the Court will rule his precious law constitutional...else he would not have made this statement.
And HOPEFULLY, he has ALIENATED the supremes against him with his audacious arrogance in trying to school THEM on the Constitution!
College Basketball is, and
Submitted by Pinetree3 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:32am.
College Basketball is, and has been for many years, the minor league to the NBA. They are NOT student athletes, they are professional athletes that are auditioning for big money contracts.
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Used to love NCAA Division I B. Ball. Quit watching it about 20 years ago. Now I only watch/keep up with NCAA Division II and Division III. Much, much better.
I am now appreciative of the
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:39am.
I am now appreciative of the founders setting up SCOTUS as an unelected body not subject to political influences of POTUS. Right now Obama is trying to influence SCOTUS with his petty tantrums and threats. Can you imagine what would happen if he did have influence on SCOTUS?
I wonder if somebody has
Submitted by ricklail on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:07pm.
I wonder if somebody has leaked the vote SCOTUS took on Friday. If they had that would be an impeachable offense. I would point the finger at Kagan because she has his ear. She helped in writting of the defense of Obamacare. She should have been made to recuse herself. She has no honor as far as I am concerned and she does not merit my respect.
I don't watch Mad Men
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:13pm.
but I heard in the last episode they mocked Romney's father. This is unbelievable. The man is dead, Romney isn't official, but they felt the need to mock him.
Palin is right, the GOP is completely unprepared for what's coming. They blamed her for the firestorm, when the truth was, Obama was to blame. It doesn't matter who the opposition is, they'll be dragged through the mud, including their families and ancestors.
More Zimmerman info coming out
Submitted by bkeyser on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:31pm.
This is from a letter written by a family member to the NAACP dated March 26th:
Of course, if he's not a racist, that really hurts the "hunted him down like a dog" position taken by the professional race-baiters.
Not sure if anyone posted this already- I just saw it linked on Twitter, but apparently it was also published by the Daily Caller yesterday afternoon.
[Edit] And then there's this.
And where is VanDam?
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:50pm.
This whole thing is beyond disgusting.
First Obama was trying to run against the "Do-Nothing" Congress. Then he tried to stir up the Class War with the OWies and the 1%. Then he moved on and tried to stir up a mythical "War on Women". When that didn't work, he jumped on the Racist Rhetoric band wagon, joining the race-baiters Sharpton, Jackson, Farrakan, et. al.
Now he's jumped on the Supremes. There is absolutely nothing he is for (well, I take that back, he's for pie-in-the-sky alternative energy).....it's now his "poor me, nobody loves me, everybody hates me"....they won't let me win!!!!
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it's now his "poor me, nobody
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 1:01pm.
it's now his "poor me, nobody loves me, everybody hates me"....they won't let me win!!!!
Lets hope it is so in November. My nagging fear is that there will be some martial law thing between then and now.
Ditto
Submitted by jon_torlin on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 1:12pm.
Let's hope so because I'm real concerned after the comments he made the other day, in full view of two other world leaders which wouldn't have or at least shouldn't be done in a professional setting, let alone political.
I have that nagging fear as well and it got stronger after yesterday. He's not doing political grandstanding anymore, this was a threat, hell, IS a threat against the country as a whole, not just the different states that he's declared war on like Arizona, Louisiana, Texas, and etc.
People need to be ready to take action before he does. And he will, not that he might, this was a warning salvo.
-Jon
Even though I always thought
Submitted by killa37 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 1:15pm.
Even though I always thought that Diana Ross was kind of a diva beee-yatch with a less-then-unforgettable voice (and quite possibly the 'real' perfect candidate to be Boy Baraka's wife!!), I always liked the Supremes a lot - especially in their earlier days. And the were 'black' - I don't know why Boy Baraka is trying to intimidate them.
And my cat Oreo, who is also black and white (but not RED all over) is as much a 'Constitutional scholar' as Boy Baraka will ever be - the ONLY time I hear him talking about the Constitution is when he's either complaining about the way it was written, or trying to circumnavigate it to achieve a result that would never happen if it was compared with the directive of the Constitution.
Vein Drip probably overdosed on meth after staying up so many days and nights, posting inane, dumb, and moronic responses.
Did somebody say my name? :-)
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 7:28pm.
Sure, I'll respond.
Zimmerman as supposed black community organizer? Interesting. I'm still not sure good deeds erase bad deeds. Or Crimes. But let's see how this plays out.
So far, Zimmerman's defense is that he was getting his a$$ beat, and was left with no choice but to shoot, even though the cops were on their way. Who started the fight, if indeed there was one? We know who ended it...
The more details there are, the more questions we ask.
As for Obama's comments, even Tucker Carlson agrees. Ron Reagan didn't exactly sing the praises of Roe vs. Wade. His comment was addressing that the Court should not rule on politics alone.
Gee Van
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 7:40pm.
The more details there are, the more questions we ask.
That is what everyone else here was saying while you were looking for high enough branches to lynch Zimmerman from.
Were they?
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:06pm.
I just remember people like you lying about what my intentions are. And you're still doing it. I never used those words/imagery, but you still want to shove it down my throat.
For someone who calls themselves Radical, you seem to really trust law enforcement in Florida. After all, police in Sanford never make mistakes, in your eyes. If they saw no evidence to hold Zimmerman, then thats good enough for you. Justice is done.
Still dancin', VD, like you were a flea on a ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:17pm.
hot griddle.
Pretty stupid to accuse other posters of lying about what your intentions are, as there are no mind readers opposing your fatuous twaddle; just intelligent conservatives engaged in ridiculing your liberal ridiculousness.
MD
Clearly not reading the posts I respond to
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:21pm.
I was talking to Radical, not you. Radical keeps insisting I want Zimmerman lynched. I find such talk offensive, but many conservatives here don't care for intelligent conversation. Only lying about their political opponents.
That's the thing about a message board, porn star
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:49pm.
ALL are invited to participate.
Even poltroons like you.
A whole week before you slunk back in here....wow. Can we rightly hope it will be two weeks before you grace us again after we metaphorically bloody your nose, yet again?
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Don't you see, Blonde?
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:17pm.
I came back for you. Only for you.
Oh Joy!!!!
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:25pm.
I enjoy picking the wings off of liberal flies, like you.
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You know what, that's just creepy!
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 12:43am.
How long have you been following my posts here.....a year? Three or four? Longer?
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When you post on a thread, you freakin' moron, your ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:25pm.
posts, words contained therein, and opinions voiced, are fair game for comments and/or rebuttal from any member.
If you can't handle those terms, don't post around here.
*^$%#!(@ 'ing cry babies, whiners, and liberals, are as disgusting as cockroaches.
MD
It might not erase an alleged crime Van
Submitted by sentry_99 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 7:56pm.
It does however destroy your contention that Zimmerman was only following Martin because Zimmerman is a racist.
My contention?
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:06pm.
Even Zimmerman's neighbor backed it up. Breaks ins by males of a certain color were reported in the area. So naturally, every male of that color in the neighborhood becomes a suspect, in the eyes of some. BK called it "profiling." Sorry, sentry, but profiling is racism.
Profiling is based on statistics, and is ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:05pm.
'racism' only in the putrid mind of a race card flicking dipshit like you, VD.
MD
Yes, BK said the same thing
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:10pm.
When you profile, you are making a judgement based on someone's race.
How is that not racism, again?
Zimmerman didn't find Martin's race suspicious
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:13pm.
NBC edited the tape to look that way.
But profiling is not racism, it's statistics.
Here we go
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:21pm.
What do you mean "edited to look that way"? Why did he call the cops on the kid? For "looking like he's up to no good"? Do you think thats a good reason to call the authorities?
Are you saying that when you profile, you do not use race to make a judgement about someone?
Van
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:33pm.
Your really need to keep on things if you're going to post on here.
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-04-02/politics/31274234_1_dispa...
Edited for time
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:55pm.
Very common on television, where airtime is limited. I know that Zimmerman didn't volunteer Martin's race. It doesn't really change anything. His neighbor defended him on Nancy Grace's show for profiling black males.
Hearsay
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:55pm.
Not admissible.
Try again.
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Haha, what is admissible?
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:06pm.
I suppose you insist all suspected murderers sign a confession before they're arrested.
VD
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:56pm.
Now you're just being deliberately obtuse. NBC's own investigation isn't because of the edit, it's because they edited for effect. For sensationalism. You, little boy, are so done.
But the effect is unchanged
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:09pm.
The placing of those two phrases don't mean anything sinister together nor apart. You are suggesting that because he didn't volunteer Martin's race, then he couldnt possibly be racist. Again, you're making a new standard.
➚Vandamaged
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:33pm.
Judas went out and hanged himself. Go and do likewise. Same book, different places.
But you're thinking the edit in question didn't help sell the MSNBC story.
You're not doing a very good job as condescending defender.
OK, Venereal. So BK says it
Submitted by Trix Rabbit on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:18pm.
OK, Venereal. So BK says it and you say it. So what is this? Groupthink?
The point you are missing - other than the one on your head - is that profiling is based on suspicious behavior.
For example. I, and most other people here, have profiled you as a hand-wringing, white-guilt-ridden, candy-assed phony.
I don't know what your race is nor do I care. See now how profiling works???
For the MSM: In your pomp and all your glory, you're a poorer man than me. As you lick the boots of death born out of fear.
Ian Anderson "Wind up"
Still not reading
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:30pm.
BK and Matt say racial profiling is statistics, and not racism.
What was so suspicious about Martin? Wearing a hoodie in the rain?
Van
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:37pm.
Obviously you're not reading. I said profiling is statistics.
I know where you're going with this
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:37pm.
But I'll make you say it. What are the stats you're thinking of?
Here you go, Lynchmo...
Submitted by SickofLibs on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:27pm.
Of course these are just the stars. Enjoy.
Wow, Venereal, you most
Submitted by Trix Rabbit on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:35pm.
Wow, Venereal, you most certainly have hit the nail with your own head.
I don't know what was so suspicious about Martin. I wasn't there and neither were you. So don't go making ASSumptions about the events that happened or didn't happen.
Again, the point is I can and already have profiled you. Not on race, but on your behavior. And statistically speaking, based on all the other drivel that libs have said here, you truly are a hand-wringing, white-guilt-ridden, candy-assed phony
For the MSM: In your pomp and all your glory, you're a poorer man than me. As you lick the boots of death born out of fear.
Ian Anderson "Wind up"
I didn't realize you were the police of this board
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:39pm.
Do you mind telling BK and Bru that they shouldnt talk about the case either? Because they weren't there.
Venereal, I'm not the police
Submitted by Trix Rabbit on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:50pm.
Venereal, I'm not the police of the board, but when you start sounding like jackson and sharpton, it can only mean one thing:
You are a pious putz. And yet, I can't conceive of the intensely intellectual pursuits that must fill your leisure hours, though I imagine they include endless games of "guess what I had for breakfast", "scare the cat", and "truck or a motorboat?"
For the MSM: In your pomp and all your glory, you're a poorer man than me. As you lick the boots of death born out of fear.
Ian Anderson "Wind up"
How do I sound like Jackson and Sharpton?
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:54pm.
By sounding like millions of other Americans who agree with me?
What do you mean?
How about the millions who don't?
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:57pm.
You sound like Jackson & Sharpton because you're talking out your ass, the only thing that matters to you is FEELINGS. The facts be damned in your world view. You're race-baiting, pure and simple, just as Jackson and Sharpton are.
Have you gone to protest those two black kids who nearly beat that poor man to death with a hammer the next town over from Sanford yet? Care to fill us in on that case with your overweening feelings?
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How can you say I don't care about facts?
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:22pm.
I've said all along I'd like to find out what happened. I do feel its unlikely that an unarmed black kid would attack a grown man with a gun. There are tons of questions about the case, and people in the streets want a trial. But there will be no trial if Zimmerman is not arrested.
Source that story. Are they walking free?
➚ You introduce your own facts
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:27pm.
Where has it been stated Trayvon Martin knew, at the time of the fight, that Zimmerman had a gun?
In your racist little mind, it seems you have ASSUMED well beyond any attempt at evaluating facts.
He was wearing it
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:13pm.
Is that not the case?
Van? Is there any possibility you'd be open to other ideas
Submitted by bkeyser on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:17pm.
or are you so convinced a trial must take place that nothing short of that will satisfy you?
And along those lines, I personally suspect a trial will take place IF this is still a national story in a couple weeks. But if it happens, how fair could it possibly be?
➚Van Lynchmo
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 8:37pm.
What part of "Conceal Carry Permit" are you having trouble understanding?
Again, I apologize for your stupidity. My tax dollars did that to you, didn't they?
~VD thinks it was worn in a holster strapped to the leg
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Fri, 04/06/2012 - 7:41pm.
cowboy-style, apparently. That's how all them varmints wear their six-shooters.
We say what we say about you, VD, based on ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:34pm.
the liberal gibberish you post.
The M.C. Hammer wannabes were arrested - based on reliable evidence - something you seem to have decided that only you can determine the appropriateness of when it pertains to the Zimmerman-Martin case.
Dork.
MD
"Source that Story"?????
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:33pm.
Really?
Google is your friend.
Wow. You've got the whole troll spread going tonight, doncha, zippers?
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Found the story
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 12:08pm.
Also found this quote
"A fifty year old man, race undisclosed, is on life support after a near fatal beating. Police have arrested two black teens. The attack occurred near the community where the Trayvon Martin self-defense shooting took place."
What happened to the two black teens? What did Police do to them?
Oh, they got arrested. Hmmph. How about that?
Where is the outrage? Why should there be outrage?
Blonde, why should there be rallies to arrest these two black teen, when they have already been arrested?
Blonde, why is it that when blacks attack whites, they get arrested, yet when blacks are gunned down, no one seems to care to make an arrest? Can you explain that to me?
Any more stupid questions VD?
Submitted by cocodrie on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 12:37pm.
Zimmerman was exercising his right of self defense. The two black teens were arrested for attempted murder.
If you could be arrested for stupidity you'd get life without parole.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
You aren't Blonde
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 2:35pm.
So I don't particularly want to hear your answer to that particular question. If you actually want to discuss how you know for a fact that Zimmerman acted in self-defense, I'd love to hear it.
VD
Submitted by cocodrie on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 8:10pm.
Just listen to the testimony of thr eyewitnesses. But that's too logical for your twisted little mind isn't it?
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
➚Don't cry, Lynchmo
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 8:22pm.
But you know what? If Barack Obama had a son, he would look like one of those kids alleged to have wielded the hammer on that man.
Because this President is a racist. He can't identify with hispanics. . . not even "white hispanics".
White hispanic makes Obama White too, a White African
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Fri, 04/06/2012 - 11:09pm.
Obama is a White African; similar % as white as Zimmerman. Thus white as initially reported in this case.
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
Any more stupid questions VD?
Submitted by cocodrie on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 12:42pm.
Zimmerman was exercising his right of self defense. The two black teens were arrested for attempted murder.
If you could be arrested for stupidity you'd get life without parole.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Good evening Cocodrie.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 12:59pm.
He's already over 450... that should be sufficient for at least ten life terms.
Oh my, Venereal. Let me
Submitted by Trix Rabbit on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:01pm.
Oh my, Venereal. Let me explain this. You sound like a very shrilly jackson and sharpton because you have zero facts to make any ASSumption - good, bad, or indifferent - about what happened.
Did you really want to play the numbers game? "...millions of other Americans who agree with me?"
I mean really. You live in a cocoon of denial in your grandmother's basement. How can they agree with you if they don't even know you???
For the MSM: In your pomp and all your glory, you're a poorer man than me. As you lick the boots of death born out of fear.
Ian Anderson "Wind up"
And you think I'm the only one making assumptions?
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:05pm.
No one else on this board is talking about this case, just me?
Venereal, of course I don't
Submitted by Trix Rabbit on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:11pm.
Venereal, of course I don't think you are the only one making assumptions. You are just looking for someone to send to the gallows. And therefore, you stand, er...sit....er... cower alone in making the most saliently dumbass statements.
C'mon, admit it. You don't want justice served for Martin or Zimmerman. You want blood.
For the MSM: In your pomp and all your glory, you're a poorer man than me. As you lick the boots of death born out of fear.
Ian Anderson "Wind up"
I want a trial to answer all these questions
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:17pm.
That's it. Stop fantasizing.
Venereal has thrown down the
Submitted by Trix Rabbit on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:16pm.
Venereal has thrown down the gauntlet! See you in court!
I know the best Jewish lawyer in Texas and he won't leave a scrap of meat on your bones.
Oh my! Was that RACIST????
For the MSM: In your pomp and all your glory, you're a poorer man than me. As you lick the boots of death born out of fear.
Ian Anderson "Wind up"
Must. Have. Evidence.
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:21pm.
Sheer emotion won't do.
If there isn't a preponderance of evidence to reasonably overcome the burden of proof (innocent until proven guilty)....there won't be a case.
Come on.....do you think Casey Anthony was guilty? Given the evidence? I do....every member of the jury did too....but they kicked her because there wasn't sufficient evidence to find her guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
Do you REALLY believe this case will be any different? Given the facts as we know them so far, unless someone comes up with a video of Zimmerman stalking Martin from his truck and capping him as Zimmerman walks away from him.....not going to fly.
Why don't you wait until the Grand Jury convenes before you start screaming for your LYNCH MOB again?
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A body and a gun.
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:30pm.
Audio Tapes that show Zimmerman was following Martin. Eyewitnesses and video that suggest Zimmerman was not badly hurt, despite the life-threatening attack he claims he had.
None of that evidence to you? All of that is nonsense to you?
I'm glad you brought up Casey Anthony. A lot of people were upset with that TRIAL. They sure did not like the outcome of that TRIAL. So much emotion from all those white people in Florida....so many death treats....
Why do you think Casey Anthony is guilty? Unless you have video evidence of her killing her daughter, then she should walk free.
Again, I don't care for mobs, but you want to insist I do because it fits your narrative of what you think of leftists. Clearly, violent crimes are emotional events for everyone in the community it impacts. It's called being human. Try it sometime.
Hello, Van. You there?
Submitted by bkeyser on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:33pm.
You've dropped my name several times tonight yet refuse to respond when I've replied to you directly. Are you afraid to debate me?
➚Doofus VD
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:36pm.
Isn't there sworn testimony in the Casey Anthony trial?
And yes, we all know all about your version of "human".
Are you really that dumb?
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:38pm.
Audio tapes show?
And actually, the videos from the cop shop CORROBORATE Zimmerman's story. So sorry, you are still buying the alphabet soup "sensationalized" version. Dummy.
Now you're indicting white Floridians? Honey, Casey got death threats from ALL OVER THE WORLD.
But you are the new leader of the lynch mob! Hang 'em high, Vannie, to assuage your liberal guilt!
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Great catch
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:34pm.
Audio tapes prove. You know what I meant.
Do the videos corraborate? He doesnt seem an inch away from death to me.
Stop associating me with lynching.
Emotions run high for everyone. Emotion didn't get Casey Anthony arrested.
??? ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:42pm.
"So much emotion from all those white people in Florida....so many death treats...."
Careful there, VD, you are starting to appear racist; just the opposite of the image you are trying to project.
MD
For saying white people are emotional?
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:36pm.
White people were emotional at the Casey Anthony trial. Do you disagree?
Lilly White Crowd, eh LynchMobLeader?
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 12:27am.
My belief is that EVERYONE was emotional at that trial. Do YOU disagree?
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and EVERYONE is emotional about the Trayvon Martin case
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 2:36pm.
but you just want to make it about Jackson and Sharpton stirring up emotion. Why is that?
Wrong again, Trayvon touter, ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 10:49pm.
people with common sense are rational; it's you lefties that are emotional.
MD
Judgements are based on people's actions, ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:25pm.
not their race.
If commonality rears it's head in the way of statistics, then race becomes a tool to assist in locating particular criminals, not prejudging them because of their skin color.
Except, of course, when you boneheaded libs decide to enter the fray with your misguided thoughts.
MD
Ohhhhh
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:29pm.
"...race becomes a tool to assist in locating particular criminals..."
except Martin was not a criminal. So why is he being profiled?
Duhhhh
Submitted by Trix Rabbit on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:43pm.
To what personal information do you have access that allows you to make such an egregiously dumb statement as "except Martin was not a criminal. So why is he being profiled?"
If you say wikipedia, I am going to chase you with my Buick.
For the MSM: In your pomp and all your glory, you're a poorer man than me. As you lick the boots of death born out of fear.
Ian Anderson "Wind up"
Oh wow, threats. Nice.
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:47pm.
What do you think is so dumb about it?
Are you saying Martin was a criminal before Z called 911?
You, VD, are the one touting profiling ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:54pm.
by Zimmerman.
I am pointing out, in the arena of law enforcement, based on statistics, the stupidity of looking for a Caucasian if witnesses say the perpetrator was black, or vice versa.
You don't know jack shit about either Trayvon Martin OR George Zimmerman, except that one is dead by the hand of the other; and you have no friggin' clue what Martin may or may not have been doing - up to and including something illegal.
"Probable cause" is defined as any set of circumstances that would lead a reasonable person to believe that a crime was committed; is being committed; or is about to be committed.
The money word there being 'reasonable', takes your doofus liberal thinking right out of the entire equation.
Trix nailed your ass - you are a hand-wringing, white guilt ridden, phony; ergo, a typical lib posting typical lib-think bullshit.
MD
edit for - "Do you think Martin was a criminal before Zimmerman called 911 ?
Personally, no.
I think all teenaged males carrying women's jewelry around in their personal backpack, which also contains trace elements of drugs; who are then expelled from school, are upstanding young individuals; chaste, pure, and beyond criticism.
Just like you libs do.
Ahhh
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:01pm.
But Martin was not a perpetrator of anything. He was walking. Outside.
No ones asking you to marry Trayvon. But I didn't think you would stoop so low as to suggest he deserved death for getting suspended from school.
VD, even allowing for your biased, liberal ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:09pm.
stupidity ---
Go back and reread the definition of probable cause.
Lord.
Even after factoring in your liberal dimness, your recalcitrance to clear thinking is mind boggling.
You are truly a dumb one.
MD
Come on Van
Submitted by bkeyser on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:12pm.
That's a straw man. No one has suggested that Martin deserved to be killed for being suspended from school.
Thanks, bk. ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:52pm.
Dealing with the myriad inconsistencies this one puts forth is like trying to juggle jello and alley cats.
Hard to keep track of VD's many inanities.
MD
Zimmerman said he was
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:20pm.
Zimmerman said he was behaving odd; how exactly is that based on race? Race only came up when asked for the description so that the Police could ID the right person.
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
Getting warmer
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:40pm.
He said he "looks like he's up to no good." What's that mean?
Does this guy have to call 911 and say "Hey, I'm a racist guy and theres a black guy in my neighborhood, so please arrest him right away because I really hate black people, specfically because they are black" before you can admit he's racist?
What is getting warmer, dunce, is your single---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:48pm.
celled grey matter; to the point of frying itself from the overload that results from trying to appear intelligent..
Better check for smoke coming out of your ears.
MD
Server acting odd
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:27pm.
Delete double post.
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
Van
Submitted by bkeyser on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:07pm.
Click the link.
So...
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:42pm.
Is Zimmerman just calling cops on everyone he doesn't know, just in case?
No Van, suspicious people
Submitted by bkeyser on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:44pm.
According to Taaffe, the last eight break-ins were committed by young black males. It's just common sense and human nature that if you're either in law enforcement or volunteering to assist law enforcement, that your awareness would be heightened when you see someone who might fit that description.
Soooo...you have any other dumb questions that we can...
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:44pm.
....answer for you?
Like "How do I find my ass with both hands?"
"What do you mean by 'link'?"
"Why do you mean conservatives think I'm so stupid?"
We're here to help you, Vannie.
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Good ole VD
Submitted by sentry_99 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:22pm.
Never fails to bring the stupid.
So, Venereal Damage, by your
Submitted by Trix Rabbit on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:05pm.
So, Venereal Damage, by your logic if the cops are looking for a suspect that is a White male, is that racism too?
For the MSM: In your pomp and all your glory, you're a poorer man than me. As you lick the boots of death born out of fear.
Ian Anderson "Wind up"
Trix
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:15pm.
Can we throw sexism in there too? Singling someone out as a male sounds pretty sexist to me.
Rad,
Submitted by Trix Rabbit on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:22pm.
Yeah, why not? Let's also throw in gays and muslims.
For the MSM: In your pomp and all your glory, you're a poorer man than me. As you lick the boots of death born out of fear.
Ian Anderson "Wind up"
Interesting logic
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:15pm.
I wasn't talking about cops profiling in my post. I was referring to Zimmerman profiling. There was no suspect when the cops were called, because there was no crime. Zimmerman thought the mere presence of Martin was enough reason to call the cops.
Looking for a suspect doesn't have anything to do with racism.
Van Dim
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:30pm.
As I said, Zimmerman didn't go after Martin because of his race. He didn't identify his race until asked, and then he was uncertain. There have been several instances of Zimmerman standing up for black people, including tutoring black children.
Why do you hate hispanics?
How certain are you?
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:36pm.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/zimmerman-neighbor-rash-robberies-yo...
Zimmerman's friend knows why Zimmerman went after Martin. He even told Nancy Grace in an interview.
➚Say what you will, VD
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:21pm.
It's no secret why you cling to the MSNBC story. It is that same superiority delusion that continues to foster the infestation of murder and violence.
Were the results of the Liberal Left's policy of condescending superiority not so blatantly successful, I'd be asking "What the heck are they trying to accomplish?" But your success cannot be ignored.
You realize Van, that Taaffe denied that quote today
Submitted by bkeyser on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:27pm.
to Soledad O'Brien.
Did you see his interview with Nancy Grace
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:43pm.
He's made it pretty clear that Trayvon was right to be profiled.
No doubt, Zimmerman should have waited until
Submitted by UpNorth on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:37pm.
the cherubic, 12 year old, er 17 year old 6-2 teenager, had committed a crime, before he called the PD. Yes, that's the way Big Sis(Janet Napolitano, to you VD) wants it. Do you recall her request for citizens to help out their communities and their country? " If you see something, say something". Remember now?
This was to combat terrorism and violent crime. "And to emphasize the importance of reporting suspicious activity to the proper state and local law enforcement authorities".
You think Martin was going to commit a crime before Z
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:46pm.
called 911? Why do you think that?
What do you think Z saw that warranted a call to authorities? After all, he had a gun to protect himself. So why did he call 911?
You certainly are dense.
Submitted by UpNorth on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:51pm.
He saw someone he thought was suspicious, so he called the "non-emergency police number", not 911, numbnuts. That fact is all over the interwebs, you just have to avail yourself of the facts. But, stay away from the NBC/MSNBC site, they lied, and doctored the tape of the phone call. Then there was this quote from the linked article, which you obviously didn't/couldn't read, "the importance of reporting suspicious activity to the proper state and local law enforcement authorities".
Tell the truth, this is a bunch of 9th grade dropouts, who are posting under one screen name, isn't it?
You certainly are dense: Agree, just what I was thinking.
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:41pm.
So say you are on a watch & see someone acting odd, & then you don't report them? That would be stupid! What's the point? The point of a watch is to STOP crime. You don't do that by letting them do the crime. You run them off by making them uncomfortable enough to move to new turf that is not watched. That is done by reporting people so they get the hint. If innocent the person stopped would be happy the watch and police are doing their job and the homes are safe.
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
How was Martin acting odd again?
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:48pm.
Still haven't answered that one.
We can stop crime by calling police everywhere. When I walk down the street, I see a lot of peole I don't know. They might be plotting to rob and kill me. I should probably contact authorities about them. Everywhere I go, there are people I do not know. Should we have cops everywhere, to stop crimes from happening? How far does that go?
Don't you gun people have guns so you don't have to call the police? What was Martin doing that police had to be called?
Van, think.
Submitted by bkeyser on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:56pm.
He was in a gated community where there had been a number of recent home-invasions and he fit the description of the people committing the crime. If a cop saw him and didn't ascertain why he was in the area, he would have been derelict.
And, had Martin not run and then doubled back to attack Zimmerman, he'd still be alive.
Oh, but BK
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 10:20pm.
"fit the description"? Just come out and say it.
You're making an assumption about what happened. You don't know for a fact thats how it happened.
"He fit the description."
Submitted by bkeyser on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 10:24pm.
Is that not clear? He fit the description of the recent home invasion violators. I guess you think that's racist but if the the recent home invaders were little green men from Mars, that's probably who Zimmerman would have been training his eye on.
➚Keyser
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:02pm.
What VD is trying to say is that when asked by a 9-11 operator "is he black, white or Hispanic?", the proper response to the 9-11 operator is
"I am not at liberty to answer your question as it is racist to identify according to color, and what right do you have asking if it's a man, woman, or a child?"
So, "Humanoid form of nondescript proportion and sex" is all Vandamage will offer. Even if it means saving the life of a loved one, Vandamage will follow this code.
Well put.
Submitted by bkeyser on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:07pm.
That's it, right there.
Oh, BK
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:54pm.
I usually gloss over your posts because they're respectful and far from insulting. You have to understand, I must answer anyone who insists I'm calling for violence, and refute those claims, first and foremost. I come here to debate. Sometimes maybe a snarky comment here and there, when the headline doesn't show media bias at all. But mostly, debate.
BK, I understand you think it's perfectly ok to profile young black males.
Many, including George W. Bush, disagree: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/onpolitics/transcripts/bushtext0227...
If you have a specific suspect for a specific crime, obviously the race is relevant to persue the suspect effectively. But if you're going to make every black male a potential suspect for a crime that has not yet been committed, you're no longer in effective law enforcement. You're just a racist.
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/zimmerman-defender-rants-about...
➚VD
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 6:43am.
So if you hear hoof beats - think "zebras"?
OH you brilliant buffoon!
Van, let me try to lend some clarity here-
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 9:35am.
I think it's perfectly fine from a law enforcement standpoint to be cognizant of people in a community who fit the description of known or reported criminals; that's how law enforcement works -when offenders don't turn themselves in. That's why there are sketch artists. That's why the dispatcher asked for a description of the suspicious person. The description is a way of eliminating parts of society from the suspect list.
In the case of Martin, he was described as (in no particular order and from memory, so I could have a detail wrong -but I'm not looking up the transcript again for this point) a young, black male wearing a gray hoodie, jeans or sweatpants, and white tennis shoes. This information was distributed to units en route so they knew who to be looking for. You seem to comprehend this, but only because the subject is black you've determined it's also racism - again, loading you're argument with straw men. Why isn't this sexism? Or some conspiracy to put Nike out of business?
No one is suggesting that every black male is suspected of a crime (except you, of course), but since young black males had been breaking into houses in the area, unknown young black males in the area are "suspicious". And a responsible resident will report them to local authorities who will then question the suspicious person to determine why they are there. No, in some some ways it's not fair. But had Martin been available to police he would have been able to explain that he was visiting his father's fiancee who lived in the community and police would have let him go on his way. No big deal. Nothing more than an incovenience. And if Martin felt that way, he should blame the local young black male community for committing crimes that ultimately make him look suspicious. But Martin made it big deal with his immediate distrust or disrespect toward authority figures (by running) --which added to his suspicious nature-- and then made it worse when he doubled back to confront Zimmerman.
There is a huge difference between reporting to authorities a suspicious person and having authorities check that person out, and "racism." Besides the fact that more information keeps coming out about Zimmerman and by all appearances, he doesn't have a racist bone in his body. The racism angle was fabricated by supporters for financial? or political? gain, and the media to sensationalize the story. The evidence clearly doesn't back up the accusation. And it's why your side is ultimately trivializing actual racism by assigning it to every issue where skin color is diverse. You're doing victims of real racism a disservice.
"Thats how law enforcement works- when offenders don't
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 10:21am.
turn themselves in" I'm not sure why you're still referring to Martin walking outside as an "offender." Unless, of course, that all black males walking outside are immediately suspects?
Was Zimmerman calling police on all males? Was he calling police on everyone wearing Nike's?
Oh I see. Racism is ok if you don't know that particular black male? Come on, BK. You are smarter than that.
Gee, I wonder why Martin never did explain to police why he was in the neighborhood....
Still not sure how its proven he doubled back to confront Zimmerman.
You keep pointing to evidence that Zimmerman helped black people. But you also ignore the fact that he killed a black male.
Alright Van
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 4:52pm.
we're done. You only see things in black and white and only believe what you're told. You'd be better off thinking for yourself.
Not letting you off the hook
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 12:02pm.
We went from 'No such thing as racism' to 'let's call the cops on black people in our neighborhood, because its most likely that they're only there to commit crimes, after all, it's statistics.'
You even mentioned how police used profiling in the case of the DC Sniper, and in doing so got it completely wrong. Profiling is ineffective. Statisically, most serial killers are whites. Does that mean when a serial killer is on the loose, you will report every white person you don't know as a possible serial killer?
Do you really think its effective law enforcement to answer every call on "unknown black males" in a neighborhood?
Do you even know that every time Zimmerman reported a suspicious male, it was a black male? Do you think its just coincidence? Or something else?
I understand that you may want to call someone to stop a crime from happening. But deciding to call the cops because you see a black man is a decision purely based on race. That is discrimination, and it is racism.
BK , I like talking to you. And I know these are complicated issues. I hope you can think more about this, and that we can discuss this again sometime.
You never had BK on a hook
Submitted by sentry_99 on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 12:10pm.
I can't for the life of me see how you can be so damn stupid. You continually ignore what Zimmerman reported to the dispatcher in the "911" call. You continually distort what others say (i.e., 'let's call the cops on black people in our neighborhood because...blah, bs, total crap'). You regularly make claims with no source to back anything up. You're lucky BK even gave you the time of day to deal with your stupidity in any respectful manner. The rest of us just mock you and laugh....because it's so easy.
Let's try facts
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 2:32pm.
Every time Zimmerman calls the cops to report an individual, that individual just happens to be black. You think thats an accident?
Can you PROVE it's not not an accident?
Submitted by sentry_99 on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 2:36pm.
By all personal accounts I've read, no person who knew Zimmerman said he was racist. IN FACT, they all say the opposite based on their knowledge of him and his actions in the community. You and your race baiting buddies are accussing him and thus it's on you to PROVE he is a racist. Keep fishing.
Sentry, we can't prove anything
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 4:38pm.
We are limited in our resources. Usually, in cases like this, a trial takes place.
We need to have a trial so that we can ask the questions to find out what happened.
I don't care what people say about Zimmerman. I care about his actions. He calls the cops whenever black people show up in his neighborhood, and one of them happened to wind up dead.
Doesn't sound suspicious to you? Why is that?
I know you can't prove anything VD
Submitted by sentry_99 on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 5:12pm.
It doesn't stop you from talking though.
"We" won't be asking the questions and the questions you want to ask will not help you find out what happened.
If you don't care about what people say about Zimmerman based on their personal knowledge of him then you don't care about the truth. You only want to see racism...but that's been your angle from the beginning.
You have no idea how many black people walked through Zimmermans neighborhood to make an idiotic conclusion like that do you? You have no idea why Zimmerman would call the police on anyone, how many black people he saw and didn't call the police on or anything else to support your claim of racism.
So true Sentry!
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Fri, 04/06/2012 - 11:23pm.
If the criminals were indeed black, it makes sense that black criminals do act suspicious and were perhaps reported. And if there were no white criminals in this particular neighborhood, it makes sense that none would be reported. It is just the particulars of this case. Another situation may be 180 degrees different.
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
Breaing my heart, Maxiumus
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Sat, 04/07/2012 - 11:13am.
"black criminals do act suspicious and were perhaps reported."?
Martin was not a black criminal. Why do you make that leap?
You, VD, have no idea what Martin was or ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 04/07/2012 - 5:36pm.
was not.
You are merely another fool liberal troll, bound and determined to make race
anthe issue, by spouting tripe.MD
Crazy responses by VD
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Mon, 04/09/2012 - 6:31pm.
My point was that it is not surprising that criminals would act suspicious by nature of what they ARE doing. So in this case, if the theiving gang was black, blacks would be reported. Simple logic. And this was not reported based on race but on behavior.
Today I heard that in all the calls Z made, he did not mention race at all until asked. And even in this case, he had some doubt as to race by the way he stated it. Z would have been more definitive if he was reporting him JUST because he was black. Not the case at all. The facts clearly support Z.
Don't verbally threaten someone and then attack them (on record). That is being a thug. What is all this talk of bullies, yet T was not trod out as an example of a bully? You don't go around beating up citizens you find annoying. Evidence points to his lack of respect and now he paid the price for something he thought was "positive" in his sad value system.
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
GREAT post BK. Falling on
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 3:26pm.
GREAT post BK. Falling on shut ears I am afraid.
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
bk tried, with the patience of a ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 8:28pm.
saint; but as Maximus states, "Falling on shut ears---".
I like that.
Not, "Falling on deaf ears", which can't hear; but on shut ears; which willfully choose to ignore.
MD
WTF are you even trying to say?
Submitted by UpNorth on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 4:52pm.
And, please, do fill all of us in on your vast experience in law enforcement. How long have you been an officer, where did you get certified and what has been your work experience? What crimes have you investigated, what's your record as to convictions in your cases, as opposed to having them thrown out, and laughed out, of court?
Moron, yet again you exhibit nothing but ignorance.
Submitted by UpNorth on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:54pm.
As the Sanford PD hasn't released Zimmerman's interrogation, that's one of the unknowns. As to not calling the PD if you see someone you don't know in your neighborhood, what's the sense of having a neighborhood watch, if you aren't going to watch, and possibly even report on what's going on in your neighborhood?
What's going on in your neighborhood?
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 12:01pm.
Are there black people walking around in hoodies? Is that something you have to report? Enlighten me.
In my neighborhood?
Submitted by UpNorth on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 4:57pm.
If I saw a young black man walking in my "neighborhood", it's certain I would be on the phone with the Sheriff's Department.
See, moron, the closest black family from my 'neighborhood" is about 20 miles away, so a young black man, or woman, even, would definitely be suspicious, so yep, the Sheriff would be called.
And, if I saw them at the foot of my 300 foot driveway, I'd go investigate, and you can bet your next welfare check that I'd be armed when I went.
You walked right into it
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Fri, 04/06/2012 - 8:45am.
Black men in your neighborhood are suspicious, simply because they're black.
Unbelievable.
You are allowed your racist attitudes and beliefs. You have a right to have them.
But stop pretending you are anything better than a bigot.
As usual, VD, you use the utilization of ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 04/06/2012 - 7:32pm.
common sense, experience, and intelligence by another in making a decision - as equivalent to being a bigot.
You are one stupid sonofabitch.
MD
Nope, moron.
Submitted by UpNorth on Fri, 04/06/2012 - 8:29pm.
Black men in my neighborhood are suspicious because, yet again, moron, there are no blacks that live around here. That doesn't make me or any of my neighbors bigots, if we observe and call.
As for bigot, you seem to be the only bigot around here. You're leading the lynch mob, you want Zimmerman arrested, even though not all the elements of any crime are apparent, you just want the "white Mexican" arrested for something. I'd say that makes you a bigot.
So you've fallen for the media's editing lie, I see
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:50pm.
How enlightened of you.
You do know that Zimmerman only responded to the 911 operator about Martin's race? He didn't offer up "black"? No matter what you hear on ABC....try listening to the unedited version, and THEN tell us how it was profiling.
Unless, of course, you were an eyewitness, and having an ongoing convo w/Zimmerman at the time.
Otherwise, it's just more of your sorry liberal projection going on here.
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I always knew he didnt offer it up
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:50pm.
That doesn't matter. It's not explained why he thought Martin looked like he was "up to no good."
Quite the vague statement to give to police.
Oh I see, "it doesn't matter"
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 10:19pm.
So your basis for Zimmerman being a racist is a phony audio tape?
Got your rope all ready for the lynching, Vannie?
Go for it. You tolerant liberals are so freakin' emotional. It'll do you good to have your head explode when nothing comes of this. Be sure to lay in a good supply of paper towels, though....it's liable to get messy.
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Not sure if paper towel is
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:52pm.
Not sure if paper towel is good enough and don't forget about the environment!!!! We should all send Van Dummy a supply of Sham Wow!!
I'm emotional?
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:57pm.
So why do you think Casey Anthony is guilty? Did you see her kill her daughter?
Blonde, your language is disgusting. And the audio tape is not phony. He said those things, and he killed a black kid.
My "language is disgusting"?????
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 12:39am.
What, exactly, are you whining about here?
[Me]: So your basis for Zimmerman being a racist is a phony audio tape?
Got your rope all ready for the lynching, Vannie?
Go for it. You tolerant liberals are so freakin' emotional. It'll do you good to have your head explode when nothing comes of this. Be sure to lay in a good supply of paper towels, though....it's liable to get messy.
Are you having some trouble with my "head exploding" metaphor when you don't get your way? Or is it the fact that I've tagged you as the leader of the lynch mob who want to string Zimmerman up without knowing squat? Because that IS WHAT YOU ARE, without having the FACTS of the case to support your emotions.
Sorry the truth hurts, Vanny. You, Sharpton, Jackson, et. al. are leading the lynch mob.
And your racism premise is based on a phony audio.....one which, you yourself acknowledged, was edited by the media to "sensationalize" Zimmerman's comment about Martin being black. But what they hey? That's a pesky fact. No need for pesky facts in an emotional liberal land of la la la la la.
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Blonde, I'd like to see Very
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 12:47am.
Blonde, I'd like to see Very Dense go after the numerous occasions that 'white' people have been attacked by 'black' people recently - there are a LOT to choose from!! Hell, I've got a couple of HEINOUS (rhymes with anus) examples on my computer right now....................that are NOT reported by the MSM or the StateRun Media.
But ol' VD envisions himself as some junior member of the 'Justice Brothers' law firm.............which is a losing situation anyway, since those clowns do NOT deal with TRUTH, REALITY, or HONESTY!!! So it's a perfect avenue for the Vacuous Dope.
Maybe he'd like to venture into the conversation of 'black on black' killings, since 'race' is such an important issue with him!!
Hey, Veneral Wart, I'll bet you a weeks salary that you are a pampered WHITE guy!! Wanna take me up on it??? Where the hell do you get off trying to inject yourself into this situation.....................I doubt if you've got ANY experience whatsoever in dealing with 'race' issues, other than while sitting in front of your computers, smoking meth, and babbling incoherently abuot things you know nothing about.
Who is getting away with it?
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 11:47am.
Who is attacking white people and getting away with it?
You want me to denounce every violent crime in America? That is not my job. I do not participate in violent crime, I don't condone violent crime. But suddenly, I'm responsible to comment on every crime that takes place in America?
The black community does indeed talk about black on black killings. LZ Granderson and Roland Martin talk about it all the time. But you don't read your columns. So how would you know?
It's a disgusting metaphor
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 11:53am.
And I asked that you stop using it.
There are facts in the case. You are choosing to ignore them.
What evidence do you have to think Casey Anthony is guilty? You still didn't answer me. What facts do you have to say Casey Anthony is guilty?
Whether Zimmerman volunteered the information about Martin being black is irrelevant. He has been shown to consistently call the cops because there are black people in the neighborhood.
Racist BrainDamage
Submitted by sentry_99 on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 12:02pm.
The hispanic Zimmerman is a murder to you but you'll stick up for the white Casey Anthony? You are a disgusting racist.
BTW...You talking about facts as if you haven't repeatedly distorted them or ignored them, is possibly the most laughable thing I've seen today. The day is young though and you'll probably post more.
Are you Blonde?
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 2:27pm.
I'm asking Blonde why she thinks Casey Anthony is guilty. She thinks I'm a fool for suspecting Zimmerman...but what makes her wise for suspecting Anthony? Only she can answer.
She doesn't think you a fool VD
Submitted by sentry_99 on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 2:35pm.
She KNOWS it...as do the rest of us.
As far as me replying to you...I will do so any time I wish putz regardless of your whining.
Van
Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 2:36pm.
Blonde was out cleaning her troll kicking boots. The slime trolls leave behind gets nasty if not thoughly cleaned. Meanwhile Sentry saw a stupid (you) and did the unenviable duty of cleaning it up.
Sucks to be you.
Hey VD
Submitted by Free Stinker on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 2:38pm.
The rest of us think you're a fool too. And not just about Zimmerman.
Go annoy the peasants at DUH-lyKos. Citizens aren't interested in your crxp.
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
Have some cheese with your whine, porn star
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 3:06pm.
Are you reading impaired as well as factually impaired?
Here's what I wrote:
Come on.....do you think Casey Anthony was guilty? Given the evidence? I do....every member of the jury did too....but they kicked her because there wasn't sufficient evidence to find her guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
Do you not understand the concept of "reasonable doubt"? There were many many pieces of evidence in the case, Anthony's "Auntie Zetunie" lie, the dead body evidence in her trunk, the shovel and duct tape, her erratic behavior and ever changing story. That evidence leads me to believe that she in fact did kill her daughter (and the jury also felt she had committed the crime). However, the prosecution was unable to tie the pieces into a whole which proved her guilt, beyond a REASONABLE DOUBT. That is the legal standard.
The prosecution more than likely knew this going in, but rolled the dice.
You "suspect" Zimmerman, yet you can't prove anything at this point, and CERTAINLY not his motive(s), which you claim is RACISM. The evidence thus far indicates Zimmerman acted in self-defense, yet you continue to deny this. You are drawing conclusions out of thin air, and you & the rest of the race-baiters want to convict this man without a trial because of your liberal guilt, regardless of what the law concludes.
Too bad for you that's not the way our system of Criminal Justice works. Why don't you just sit back and relax, the Grand Jury will be empanelled on April 10th.
Now, why don't you comment on those six black kids in Toledo who beat up a 78 year old man saying "This is for Trayvon". This is what you and the race-baiters have wrought. And before you whine "source that"....it's on the front page of Drudge.
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I'm not talking about her legal case
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 4:31pm.
I'm talking about you.
You said that I "' 'suspect' Zimmerman, yet you can't prove anything at this point". Are you suggesting you don't suspect Casey Anthony? Can you prove that she did that to her daughter?
As humans, we both respond emotionally to tragedy, and do make personal judgements on who we feel to be responsible for those tragedies. I dont judge you for suspecting Anthony, but you are clearly trying to judge me for suspecting Zimmerman.
What evidence, besides Zimmerman's word, says it was self defense? The eyewitness you're going to talk about saw a scuffle, but theres no telling who started the fight, and whether Martin actually was trying to kill Zimmerman. Fights are not usually thought of as attempted murders.
No one wants to convict this man without a trial. They want the man arrested, so a trial can take place. No matter how many times you repeat this lie, it still will not come true.
I've explained several times why I believe what I believe. But you continue to ignore my point.
And you also keep sourcing stories that further highlight the difference between white and black victims of violence:
"The boys on Monday were ordered held in detention at the Lucas County Juvenile Justice Center, prosecutor Lori Olender said."
You're only proving Sharpton and Jackson's and MSNBC's point. When the victim is white and the offender is black, justice moves very quickly.
Porn Star, take a remedial reading class
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 5:07pm.
I've posted my answer twice.
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You suspect Casey, and yet you can't prove it.
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 5:30pm.
But you don't think I should get the same luxury with Zimmerman.
Only you can decide the guilt of others. Blonde, get off your high horse.
What do you not understand.....
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 5:55pm.
About "beyond a reasonable doubt"?
The jurors in the Anthony trial believed she was guilty as well, but according to our legal standard, beyond a reasonable doubt, there was not a preponderance of evidence to return a guilty charge, therefore she was aquitted. THAT is our system of jurisprudence.
I believe if the facts of the case on the night of the shooting were found to be such that it was beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman pulled the trigger without fearing for his life (in accordance with the Stand Your Ground Law), he would have been arrested. But of course, you and the rest of the lynch mob want a show trial to assuage your liberal guilt, the facts of the case be damned.
You lose the argument every way from Sunday, and that's the best you can do? Try to make this all about me?
That's just Creepy, creepy, creepy.
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You used the word guilty
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Fri, 04/06/2012 - 8:49am.
You said Casey Anthony was guilty. I asked you to prove it. You can't, because you werent there.
And if you could prove it, you would be a prosecuter in Florida, and not some amateur blogger.
You believe that justice evaded Casey Anthony, but the law is right on the money with Zimmerman? I disagree with that.
But you can't stand to have a discussion. You want to be free to criticize Justice in the case of Casey Anthony, but anyone who dares question Sanford PD is part of a "lynch mob."?
You are sick.
Newsflash for you porn star
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 04/06/2012 - 10:46am.
Ms. Anthony was tried by our system of jurisprudence and found not guilty. I don't have to PROVE her guilty, no matter how much you whine and moan that I can't.
You've avoided every "beyond a reasonable doubt" argument put forth about Zimmerman like the plague, because you can't overcome it. You can't even tap dance around it. Hence your thundering silence.
There's also this pesky thing called "innocent until proven guilty". However, you and the rest of the lynch mob want to throw all of our foundational legal concepts to assuage your guilt. Defend the Black Panthers' Bounty.....you can't. A public call for kidnapping.
Again, I'd urge you to take a remedial reading class, because you read things here that aren't there. I never indicated I thought the outcome of the Anthony trial was wrong, just that I agreed with the members of the jury...that the preponderance of evidence didn't reach the legal barrier to convict her.
You think you are debating something here. You're not. Your ilk has been seen here a thousand times, spouting liberal lies and platitudes, making the most idiotic emotionally based arguments.
A parting thought....I'm quite pleased that I wrapped you around the axle with the "lynch mob" thing. How's that feel? Because that is what you liberals attempt to do to conservatives every single hour of every single day.
You've just failed troll school 101. You are dismissed.
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Tried, you say?
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Sat, 04/07/2012 - 11:20am.
You're right. Casey Anthony was tried. Zimmerman can't even get arrested. That's why people are upset.
So, you think we can pontificate about alleged criminals if they're on trial, but not if they walk away without an arrest? That's a strange distinction. But if thats your belief, I respect it.
I'm not sure why you want me to defend the Black Panthers. The media certainly doesn't. And Casey Anthony got death threats as well. I'm not sure why I have to keep repeating that I do not condone violence. It's the same reason why I want Zimmerman arrested. I am not going to tolerate any kind of violence.
Blonde, you said that Casey Anthony was guilty. You did say that. You can point to reasons why you think she is guilty, that is your right. It is also my right to point out why I think Zimmerman is guilty. That is my right. But you seem to think only you, a conservative, have that right.
I know, you are pleased to spread lies about me. I know that makes you happy. You are a culture warrior, and you have to destroy me. And you can only do it by lying about me. Congratulations.
How long was it until Anthony went to trial?
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 04/07/2012 - 11:27am.
The case of Martin was never closed, we'll never know if Zimmerman was going to be arrested. You want him arrested based on what you feel about the case, not the evidence the justice system has to work with.
Blonde doesn't have to say anything about you. We know the dufoos you are from your posts.
Jeb Bush agrees with me
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Mon, 04/09/2012 - 9:22am.
http://www.inquisitr.com/209978/florida-gov-jeb-bush-says-stand-your-gro...
Go write letters and call Jeb Bush a racist, lynch mob leader
Stop tap-dancing around, Lynchmo.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 12:09pm.
Just come out and admit you want Zimmerman dead, and you don't care if it's by lethal injection or by a murderous mob.
Racist.
You just don't like it, because it's true
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 12:12pm.
Too bad.
You picked up the rope, Vannie. Live with it.
And DO try to learn how to read.
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Answer my questions
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 2:28pm.
What gives you the right to suspect Anthony of murder, and what gives you the right to judge me for suspecting Zimmerman of murder?
What gives me the right to judge you?
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 3:11pm.
YHGTBSM.
Someone call the paramedics, I'm dyin' of laughter here.
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well done damage*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 3:12pm.
You went from 400 posts on Zimmerman and got your butt kicked so you are now going to deflect and focus on Casey Anthony. When you're done, let me know and then we can talk about the record number of polar bears and how global warming is to blame.
Except I didn't bring up Casey Anthony
Submitted by Vandamage2000 on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 3:53pm.
Blonde did. And now she won't answer why she thinks Casey Anthony is guilty, and why it's wrong to suspect Zimmerman is guilty. A strange double standard. I want her to answer. But instead, she wants to play games.
The answer will be clear to
Submitted by Free Stinker on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 3:57pm.
The answer will be clear to you when you sober up.
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
Learn to Read, porn star
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 5:09pm.
And the answers will become apparent.
Your ADHD is getting very tiresome. Very tiresome, indeed.
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"Answer my questions!" "Stop using disgusting metaphors!"
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 3:20pm.
"Don't reply to me, I wasn't talking to you!"
Wowee, we've had some high-maintenance trolls here in the past, but you're ridiculous.
Too true, SickO
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 3:29pm.
My favorite part is when it declares a victory, gets trounced again and again, and promptly disappears, leaving the crickets to chirp when one of us poses a question.
BTW, SoL.....WHAT RIGHT DO YOU HAVE TO RESPOND TO ME, HUH? ANSWER ME!!!!!! ANSWER ME!!!!!! ANSWER ME RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT RIGHT?
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SORREEEEE!!!!!!!
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 4:02pm.
Apparently riding the dog like its a small horse Is FROWNED UPON IN THIS ESTABLISHMENT!
Sorry SoL*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 5:03pm.
I think I'm going to steal your post name but make it SICK OF TROLLS. Had enough of these idiots here just to incite. Don't bother waiting for logic or facts from any of them.
Ignore this one and he will promptly have a temper tantrum right there in mommy's basement.
Can we ride the cat?
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 04/05/2012 - 5:11pm.
.
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The Patron Pornstar of Irony.
Submitted by drsamherman on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:05pm.
You have been doing the political equivalent of racial profiling of conservatives for months now, but you are too intellectually bankrupt to admit it.
I see you are back to your usual modus operandi of asking lots of questions and then backing away if you are asked to give evidence that you stole from Wikipedia or your campus newspaper.
I think a renaming of you to VanPlagiarist is in order.
Oh jeez!! It appears that the
Submitted by killa37 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 11:20pm.
Oh jeez!! It appears that the Vacuous Dunce got a new stash of meth, and now he's started his new bender on a new thread, with the same old worn-out BS. Hey VD - you don't know anything more than anybody else, and probably less - why don't you try a new subject to go ruin, because you're getting nowhere with this one.......................but I swear, you ARE an attention-whore, and it doesn't matter WHAT kind of attention you're getting, just as long as you're getting it. These days off from NB must have been torture for you, but given the results of this blown-up thread, I'd say your walkin' in high cotton, or happier'n'a pig in slop!!!
Killa 'Ol vd 2000, needs a weight-in; at the start of a thread.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 12:37am.
Just for da kine data.
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You Didn't Build That.
I'll tell ya, no ka
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 12:39am.
I'll tell ya, no ka oi.........this guy is RESENTLESS, and he's one of those people who doesn't know how stupid he is - I'm sure you know a few yourself.......................but that doesn't stop him one bit from continuing and expanding on his total moronity (is that a word???).
Yea, when the trustafarian's leave the jungle and come to town.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 12:55am.
same green self propelled moldy story...
You Didn't Build That.
This from the Prez who has his Chicago thugs stop Voter ID laws
Submitted by merly1 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 12:46pm.
in many states, passed by duly elected legislators, and with a lot bigger margins than Obamacare passed
Owebama is simply a joke, but a bad one who needs to be removed in November.
Anyone else watching BO right now?
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 1:34pm.
He's talking about people writing him sob story letters again. What a way to lead, NOT.
He mentioned people who were just laid off and their COBRA is running out. It doesn't work that way! COBRA only BEGINS when you get laid off. This guy drives me crazy, or should I say he drives me Henry Clay, cause he's crazy.
How can Boy Baraka be talking
Submitted by killa37 on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 1:54pm.
How can Boy Baraka be talking about people being laid off?? I thought we were in the middle of some big economic comeback and job growth!!! Hasn't he added a few zillion jobs, on top of the ones he's 'saved'??? These people must have been laid off by some EVIL white private sector company who couldn't make the PROFIT that they wanted to unless they got rid of some po' workin' folk.
FUBO IS FUBAR!!!!!
Obama`s comment
Submitted by NVRAT on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 1:48pm.
Wow, I think Obama stepped out and said it publicly."I am a Communist and that is what I want this country to be". If you listen to his speeches at the colleges lately and his condemnation of the supreme court it`s really obvious that is where he want`s everybody to go.Telling college kids that they are not to use their own ambition and get ahead but, let the government tell you where and when to work and how much money to make. Good luck you college kids and all that comes after. If Obama gets re-elected.
New York Post
Submitted by bkeyser on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 2:16pm.
ever classy.
H/T Drudge
Geeze, maybe we should rethink supporting this Ryan budget
Submitted by bkeyser on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 2:19pm.
I don't want my weather forecasts to be less accurate. This is madness. Blah, blah, blah.
Levi Johnson to be a papa, again!
Submitted by ricklail on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 2:39pm.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/03/levi-johnston-knocks-up-another-girl/
It's time for Congress to remove this Kenyan Muslim commie fraud
Submitted by Dave. on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 2:42pm.
This nation will not survive nine more months of Barack Hussein Obama in the White House.
To be honest, I'm not exactly sure we will make it even if they were to throw his treasonous ass out tomorrow morning.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
China's version of Planned Parenthood
Submitted by bkeyser on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 3:27pm.
CAUTION
Was Al-Qaida responsible for Sept. 11, 2001? Perhaps not!
Submitted by Rush Fan on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 4:19pm.
The Daily Caller's Jamie Weinstein, in a piece titled AP not quite ready to blame al-Qaida for 9/11?, points out an Associated Press story that has this unusual sentence:
Of course, the AP is confirming what the rest of us, lead by the marvelous Mensa member Rosie O'Donnell, already knew: 9/11 was really an inside job by the evil Bush and Cheney!
5th Circuit Throws down the gauntlet
Submitted by Free Stinker on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 6:04pm.
Tells DOJvit has until Thu to explain if the ObamAA+ administration thinks courts don't have the right to overturn laws.
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
Am I missing something?
Submitted by GregE on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 6:54pm.
House GOP almost all voted NO for an amendment which would have prohibited employers from requesting social networking credentials.
Sounds to me like that's the wrong vote, so why did almost ALL of them vote No? Did they say it is because this should not be a federal issue?
(gotta read up)
Cheap Shots part deux
Submitted by billb on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 7:17pm.
Speaking of cheap shots. After watching reruns of "Mad Men", I became a big fan of the show and couldn't wait for the series to restart. It only took a few minutes in the very first episode to end my interest in this show. They took a totally disconnected shot at Mitt's dad George Romney.
I would recommend boycotting
EXPAT anyone?
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:55pm.
EXPAT anyone?
Need the link again Scoob
Submitted by bkeyser on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 8:57pm.
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Check pms, BK
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:05pm.
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Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Ditto on the link
Submitted by UpNorth on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:19pm.
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Debbie Wasserface gets smoked bigtime,
Submitted by Boudin on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:15pm.
Very funny,
See Debbie, these are the types of things that happen when your dumb as dirt
Boudin.....That was some interview. Thanks for the link. As
Submitted by Rush Fan on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:40pm.
someone who lives in the Los Angeles area, Villaraigosa and the Dems have taken this city to a place where there is no where to go but further down.
UpNorth, I sent you a PM
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:21pm.
UpNorth, I sent you a PM
Trix Rabbit, over to Expat!!
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 9:22pm.
Trix Rabbit, over to Expat!!
Matthewdean, check your PM's
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Tue, 04/03/2012 - 10:01pm.
Matthewdean, check your PM's
National Association of Scholars Report: Radical faculty members
Submitted by Rush Fan on Wed, 04/04/2012 - 12:41am.
and politicized courses have compromised the quality of education in the University of California System.
NAS Press Release: POLITICS UNDERMINING LEARNING, SCHOLARS WARN UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA
Related Information
Wall Street Journal (Peter Berkowitz) How California's Colleges Indoctrinate Students
Minding the Campus (John Ellis): A Tangled Web At Berkeley
Thanks to Dennis Prager and Larry Elder for the initial information.