Open Thread: Santorum Wins Missouri, Colorado, and Minnesota
With all the focus on Newt Gingrich versus Mitt Romney of late, former Pennsylvania senator Rick Santorum not only reminded everyone of his presence once again, he did so in a sweep--taking caucus victories yesterday in the important states of Colorado, Minnesota, and Missouri. He was not awarded any delegates for these victories, however, so the question for today is, how much do Santorum's triumphs count? A lot, not much, or somewhere in between?
Rick Santorum jolted the Republican presidential race Tuesday with a three-state sweep of nominating contests in Colorado, Missouri and Minnesota, puncturing Mitt Romney's claim to be the unstoppable front-runner.
Mr. Santorum's three victories—one in the Mountain West and two in the Midwest—give his campaign a much-needed burst of momentum while stirring doubt about Mr. Romney's abilities to woo conservatives to his side in important electoral swing states such as Missouri and Colorado. So far, Mr. Romney has won in states where he has devoted significant campaign time and advertising dollars.
In two of the states, Colorado and Minnesota, Mr. Romney had won by large margins in 2008. He was hugely favored in Colorado in the days leading up to the Tuesday caucus. Two of his top aides have deep experience in the state, and his campaign has been busy organizing there for months.
Of the eight nominating contests so far, Mr. Santorum has now won four, while Mr. Romney has won three and Newt Gingrich one—a tally that seemed unlikely on a few days ago. Until Tuesday, Mr. Santorum, a former Pennsylvania senator, had won only a single contest, a narrow victory in Iowa's Jan. 3 caucuses.
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'To Tell the Truth'...
Submitted by vrwc13 on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 10:17am.
"Will the real conservative please stand up?"
Yep - it's Santorum!
•Rmoney shows us that MN, CO, and IA may go 'red' again
•Santorum shows us a real conservative can win
•Gingrich baggage may have gotten to heavy
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
I didn't realize that an
Submitted by PaleHorse on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 10:26am.
I didn't realize that an unabashed addiction to pork barrel spending was considered to be a conservative trait.
Cherry picking?
Submitted by vrwc13 on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 10:35am.
O.k. he doesn't do well on that one but line them all up on all the issues.
Now how's he look?
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The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
vrwc, that's a pretty huge
Submitted by PaleHorse on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 10:47am.
vrwc, that's a pretty huge deal actually. If you strip away his strong Christian views (which I don't see as having anything to do with actual conservatism), then he's basically your regular old, run of the mill politician with his hand out for government cheese.
Fundemental Christian views do align with conservative ones...
Submitted by vrwc13 on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 11:14am.
For conservative Republican voters who can’t accept Ron Paul’s bring-the-troops-home foreign policy, former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum seems to be emerging as the best alternative to Mitt Romney.
http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/02/9899394-santorums-conservative-record-strong-but-with-a-couple-of-flaws
Santorum’s career rating from the American Conservative Union, based on dozens of roll call votes during his 16 years in Congress, was 88 out of 100, not quite as conservative as that of Ron Paul or Jim DeMint of South Carolina, for instance, but still ranking Santorum as one of most conservative Republicans in Congress.
A surprisingly good article from msnbc, that addresses the good and the not so good.
btw: look at Rmoneys wins so far - 'blue' states mostly. Santorum picking up the 'red' ones. And I expect that trend to continue through super Tuesday.
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The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
The Cult of Ron Paul
Submitted by Free Stinker on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 11:16am.
. . . and when Ron Paul gets earmarks he's doing his job. All the other Republicans are "fake Conservatives" . . .
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
"One of the criticisms I make
Submitted by jay_1975 on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 12:05pm.
"One of the criticisms I make is to what I refer to as more of a libertarianish right. … This whole idea of personal autonomy, well I don’t think most conservatives hold that point of view. Some do. They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues. You know, people should do whatever they want. Well, that is not how traditional conservatives view the world and I think most conservatives understand that individuals can’t go it alone. That there is no such society that I am aware of, where we’ve had radical individualism and that it succeeds as a culture."
Rick Santorum, NPR 2006
So, the guy who doesn't support individual liberty and wants to create laws based on his religious views is a "conservative"?
non sequitur
Submitted by Free Stinker on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 12:37pm.
Its funny how if someones name isn't "Ron Paul", anything they say gets expanded into "they do not believe in individual liberty". And thanks for leaving out the context of that quote so we can not better analyze it.
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
Free, notice how the Paulbots come out when...
Submitted by vrwc13 on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 12:38pm.
...another AnyOneButRmoney rises up past Paul?
They just don't get it:
Rmoney has a constant backing of a fourth of the voters, up a little from 2008 (attribute that to greater name recognition).
Paul has a constant backing of ten percent or so, up a little from 2008 for the same reason.
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
What context? He said he
Submitted by jay_1975 on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 12:48pm.
What context? He said he thinks people aren't smart enough to lead their own lives. He is as much a conservative as any other far-right evangelical that supports rights only for those like them. Luckily, he will not be the candidate and if he is, then we are stuck with another four years of Obama. Independents will not vote Santorum. And who the heck brought up Ron Paul?
Facepalm
Submitted by Free Stinker on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 4:30pm.
"What context?" Bzzt. -1
Putting words into Rick's mouth. Bzzt. -1
And now you know how independants vote? Bzzt. -1
thank you for playing "How bad is you cranial-rectal inversion?". With a score minus 3, you have moderate CRI.
Palehorse is a Paulbot.
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
P-Horse it's all your party
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 10:35am.
The increase under Obama is the biggest two-year jump since Jimmy Carter was president, the data show.
You Didn't Build That.
Not quite. I didn't vote for
Submitted by PaleHorse on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 10:43am.
Not quite. I didn't vote for Obama. Nice assumption though.
I Pick Rick!
Submitted by Free Stinker on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 10:39am.
Its nice to see we might not have to settle for Newt or Mitt.
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
I wanted Cain, too bad he
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 10:42am.
I wanted Cain, too bad he couldn't take the heat. But then I settled on Gingrich. Santorum just cant garner the support, when he speaks I think of limp rags.
...the other Rick
Submitted by vrwc13 on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 11:25am.
I had my hopes on the other Rick over all the rest. But with 'oops' meaning so much, this Rick lines up better than the others.
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
Let me know when the fat lady
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 10:34am.
Let me know when the fat lady starts warming up. What happened to Paul? And are these not proportional?
This is shaping up to be an interesting race. It just might come down to a real contest at the convention.
WELL!!! if this trend continues....
Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 10:43am.
In 2010 elections, the People of Colorado chose Dan Maes to run for the Governors seat.
Unfortunately, Dan was NOT the 'chosen one' by the party elites.
No amount of backstabbing, lying, and curious vote counting could change the fact that the People did not like the fool that had been personally picked by the elitists.
It made no difference how much money the party elite spent pushing their lackey, the People told them to stick their choice in the corner and allow the PEOPLE TO CHOOSE THE PERSON THEY WANTED.
In order to punish those stupid voters that are too ignorant to understand that the elites are better at picking the candidates they can control...
The 'republican party' in Colorado, dumped the Peoples choice and backed a third party candidate for governor.
little tommy tancredo switched parties to give the elitists a choice, and no expense was spared to shove little tommy down our throats.
Oddly enough, little tommy LOST, The PEOPLES CHOICE lost, and we got a democrat for governor. BUT, in party politics, "It is always better to lose the election than to win with a candidate that cannot be controlled to do the bidding of the elite".
Will the national group of elitists push romnee into running as a third party to punish those stupid voters again?
End 'gun violence in America' - Require training and MANDATORY "Shall Carry" by every Citizen.
If harry reid is the best person to lead the senate, what does that say about the other 99 senators?
Dan Maes was a liar and only
Submitted by jay_1975 on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 11:47am.
Dan Maes was a liar and only in it for the mortgage payment. He was only the "people's choice" because Scott McInnis' plagiarism fiasco at the last minute. If Maes was so truly the "people's choice", then why did he only get 11% of the vote? Even registered Republicans couldn't stomach that loser and went for Tancredo and it was the independents that selected Hickenlooper.
I would suggest you make a trip to the library
Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 12:26pm.
While there, read a book titled "Running Without Cowboy Boots", oddly enough written by Mr. Maes.
He does a very good job of detailing the corruption and underhanded dealings of the 'republican elite' as well as the Tea Party wannabe groups in the State.
Mr Maes did not "lie" as you so inaccurately announced, but THAT is not important as long as you get to repeat the same old lies yourself is it?
End 'gun violence in America' - Require training and MANDATORY "Shall Carry" by every Citizen.
If harry reid is the best person to lead the senate, what does that say about the other 99 senators?
Dan Maes was a secret agent
Submitted by jay_1975 on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 12:46pm.
Dan Maes was a secret agent in Liberal, KS, wait, no he wasn't. He compared himself to Serpico and said he was an undercover agent, but he was just a uniformed cop who got fired for telling his fiance about the sting operation. He never received a check from Freda Poundstone, but he did, but it was for his mortgage and not his campaign, but he said it was for his campaign. He lied about how much money his campaign had raised and was called out when he had to publish the actual amounts which were much lower than he claimed (which he blamed on his wife and daughter, talk about integrity). He claimed to be a successful business executive but his tax returns showed that he was never really successful at anything or turned a profit. After Maes sold a failing company he started, he claimed that the new owner kept him on, but the owner refused to back that claim. The best was when Maes said Tancredo shouldn't be at the debates if he couldn't pull in at least 20% in the polls, then when Maes fell to 15%, he refused to back out of the debates. He was a piece of trash and the state rejected him soundly. I am sure with all of his vast business successes and undercover work, he would have no problem moving on with his life.
You cite a book by Maes to vindicate Maes? Really? I am sure OJ's book claims his innocence as well, does that make it true?
I have no urge to dispute all of your republican
Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 1:24pm.
talking points that have been misquoted, taken out of context and otherwise abused to 'support' your position.
So far you sound like one of the disgruntled elitists that is still MAD that the REAL Conservatives told you and the other elitists to stick it.
The party lost this time around too and the teeth gnashing has only begun.
romnee is a party whore and will do whatever he is told and "Screw the People, they aren't worth the snot in his hanky".
And if he needs to use the Constitution to wipe his runny nose, he will.
And... you can thank the Tea Party Movement for this, and all forthcoming losses.
IF the 'republican' party ever returns to its proclaimed PRINCIPLES, they may, once again, be a driving force in American Politics because without the TEA PARTY CONSERVATIVES the party is sucking hind teat.
End 'gun violence in America' - Require training and MANDATORY "Shall Carry" by every Citizen.
If harry reid is the best person to lead the senate, what does that say about the other 99 senators?
"Maes personnel file details
Submitted by jay_1975 on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 2:09pm.
"Maes personnel file details investigation, missteps"
http://blogs.denverpost.com/thespot/2010/09/28/maes-personnel-file-detai...
"Poundstone says Maes has ‘no cojones’ over mortgage payment"
http://coloradoindependent.com/60153/poundstone-says-maes-has-no-cojones...
"Cash-flow woes threaten Maes"
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/41501.html
"Dan Maes continues to make a fool of himself"
http://www.businessword.com/index.php/weblog/comments/dan_maes_continues...
"Maes encounters stony silence at Club 20 debate"
http://coloradostatesman.com/content/992141-maes-encounters-stony-silenc...
"After sharp drop in poll, Maes still won't quit race"
http://www.kdvr.com/news/politics/kdvr-maes-losing-support-txt,0,3555574...
Several stories from several sources all tell the same tale; Maes was a liar and a loser. You can blame it on some vast Republican party conspiracy, the TEA Party or whatever else you want to, but that fact is, Maes was self-destructive and took the Colorado GOP down with him.
"So far you sound like one of the disgruntled elitists that is still MAD that the REAL Conservatives told you and the other elitists to stick it."
Seeing how Maes only got 11% of the vote, then your "REAL conservatives" don't account for squat in Colorado and have no real power or sway over anything.
YAWN......
Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 2:48pm.
Same old talking points memo.
End 'gun violence in America' - Require training and MANDATORY "Shall Carry" by every Citizen.
If harry reid is the best person to lead the senate, what does that say about the other 99 senators?
I see, you have no reasoned,
Submitted by jay_1975 on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 3:07pm.
I see, you have no reasoned, or sound response. That's ok, keep telling yourself that you hold the high ground while you believe everyone else is wrong. I listed (and cited) several sources that dispute your distorted view, but all you have is "Same old talking points memo". You need to admit to the fact that you lose this argument and move on.
so, in your opinion, my
Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 6:27pm.
so, in your opinion, my refusal to go over the republican party elite talking points ad nauseum with an elitist devotee such as yourself, I have no 'reasoned response'?
Are you an alinsky addict too?
End 'gun violence in America' - Require training and MANDATORY "Shall Carry" by every Citizen.
If harry reid is the best person to lead the senate, what does that say about the other 99 senators?
Your refusal to address six
Submitted by jay_1975 on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 7:35pm.
Your refusal to address six different cases of lying or misdeeds presented from six different sources shows your inability to think critically. You can't admit that Maes sucked and disregard all evidence to the contrary. Your only evidence of foul play is Maes' own words. Pretty shoddy evidence on your part. You really have offered nothing to refute the accusations against Maes and choose to ignore the facts before you. You are the only "devotee" that I see, but you are devoted to perpetuating the non-existent victim-hood of Maes.
Silly child
Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 9:12pm.
Those have been well researched and debunked BEFORE the election.
Or are you trying to convince people that the republican elite never lie to get their own way?
There were numerous 'hatchet jobs' on Dan Maes, all proven to be politically motivated acts designed to cause people like you to think you iz smRt.
Go learn the REAL facts before you show up with rehashed trash.
End 'gun violence in America' - Require training and MANDATORY "Shall Carry" by every Citizen.
If harry reid is the best person to lead the senate, what does that say about the other 99 senators?
Keep that head in the sand.
Submitted by jay_1975 on Thu, 02/09/2012 - 11:54am.
Keep that head in the sand. Maybe one day you will realize that when everyone else says you are wrong while you think otherwise, you may wake up and see that everyone else was right to begin with. Now go campaign for the lying loser Maes, I am sure he needs your vote to be the local dog catcher.
Right back at ya little feller
Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Thu, 02/09/2012 - 1:20pm.
I did the research on my own.
YOU spout the party elitist lines just like a recording.
The State of Colorado has a democrat governor because the party elites REFUSED to accept the PEOPLES CHOICE and demanded the vote be split buy backing a third party candidate, ensuring a democrat win rather than accept the person THE PEOPLE CHOSE TO RUN FOR GOVERNOR.
The national party is doing exactly the same thing now.
The elitist snobs running the 'republican party' are extremely willing to send this nation down the tubes rather than accept the fact that the vast majority of the people do not want another 'lesser of two evils', and romney is not much 'lesser'.
End 'gun violence in America' - Require training and MANDATORY "Shall Carry" by every Citizen.
If harry reid is the best person to lead the senate, what does that say about the other 99 senators?
If the people chose that
Submitted by jay_1975 on Thu, 02/09/2012 - 3:50pm.
If the people chose that loser, they weren't happy with that loser once they found out what a loser he was. If he was so much the peoples choice, then why didn't the people vote for him? Man, you not only drank the Maes kool-aid, but I think you made an extra gallon, put it in the fridge and still sip from it today. Get over it already. Your guy sucked, the voters of Colorado knew he sucked and voted for someone else. Even if Tancredo didn't run, it wouldn't have mattered as Hickenlooper took over 50% of the total votes. Maes would have been a loser in a two way race, just like he was in a three way race. No matter how you cut it, your "peoples choice" came in last and was soundly rejected by the people. Ok, time to stop the BS, are you Maes? Because if not, then you must be a Maes stalker.
your last little rant told the world
Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Sat, 02/11/2012 - 2:39am.
exactly who it was that 'drank the koolade'.
I hereby release you from your quest so that you can go troll somebody else.
End 'gun violence in America' - Require training and MANDATORY "Shall Carry" by every Citizen.
If harry reid is the best person to lead the senate, what does that say about the other 99 senators?
Just like the Delaware GOP
Submitted by Free Stinker on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 11:47am.
Just like the Delaware GOP establishment did with Christine O'Donnell.
We'll be fighting those entrenched RINO &#!%$s for a very long time. They won't give up power any more easily than the demoncrats will.
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
"True Grit"
Submitted by im41 on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 11:05am.
Rick Santorum has shown "True Grit" coming back time and time again in this GOP primary. He is the one who has the passion to defeat Barack Obama!
From the Thread
Submitted by Tugboat Phil on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 11:15am.
He was not awarded any delegates for these victories, however, so the question for today is, how much do Santorum's triumphs count?
With Florida being "punished" and only getting half their usual 100 delegates, Romney really only got half a win there. But I don't recall seeing this pointed out in any of the results.
In the words of Boo Boo Bear, "It ain't over till it's over." Or was it something about picnic baskets??
The 50 Romney got in Florida
Submitted by jay_1975 on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 11:47am.
The 50 Romney got in Florida alone are still more than Santorum has as of last night.
That's quite an accomplishment
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 1:07pm.
That's quite an accomplishment for Romney. Now he only needs about 1000 more to cinch the nomination.
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As Newt and Santorum keep
Submitted by jay_1975 on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 1:20pm.
As Newt and Santorum keep splitting their support and Paul can only depend on his hard core supporters, I think it will be fairly easy for Romney to hit the numbers needed to win the nomination.
Newt's done...
Submitted by vrwc13 on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 1:26pm.
Rmoney can't get past the AnyOneButRmoney ceiling.
Newt will soon fold and Santorum will succeed. Newt got his last hurrah in SC, then got a 3rd, 4th, and 'oops' forget to be on the ticket.
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
I wouldn't bet on it
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 2:17pm.
I wouldn't bet on Romney just yet. There's a very long way to go. This promises to be a long, contentious battle, the outcome of which won't be known until the finale Battle Royal of the National Convention is over. Romney can "win" as many "pledges" as he wants, but even if he "wins" the "pledges" of over half the delegates, there's no guarantee that the delegates will actually cast a vote for him during the Convention. Not that many States have laws that require the delegates to vote according to the results of the State primary or caucus "general" elections, you know.
"Pledged" delegates (and that all you really win in a Primary or Caucus, a "pledge") have changed their mind, and their vote, in the past, you know. There's really nothing to prevent them from doing the same in the future. If none of the candidates wins the required number of delegate votes in the Convention (1140, I believe), the battle will continue on and on, for days, possibly! It's happened before and it will happen again!
In this respect, Obama has the clear advantage. As he is running unopposed, ALL of the DNC delegates will cast their vote for him. There's no possibility of the GOP nominee to point to Obama and say: "He's not that well loved amongst the Democrats, you know. Just look how splintered the DNC delegates were." Well, guess what Obama is going to do, with the help of the MSM? I mean, really, they're already doing it!
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Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Newt/Nix
Submitted by kilrod on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 11:21am.
Congratulations to Santorum. I have supported Newt so far, but, i have no problem with supporting Santorum. I just hope he gets a fire built under him to stand up to the s-sm.
ABO, ANYBODY BUT 0 BAMA_ _ 2012
ABO, ELMER FUDD_ _ 2012
kilrod "the Birther"
Grave in Boot Hill, Tombstone, AZ, labeled: Here lies Lester Moore-Four slugs from a forty-four-No less, no more.
If an unborn child cannot trust you, why should I,??
Great,
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 10:53pm.
Add this if'n you want
Thanks Boudin
Submitted by kilrod on Thu, 02/09/2012 - 1:13am.
Thank-Ya Boudin, Good show!!
kilrod "the Birther"
If an unborn child cannot trust you, why should I,??
...and speaking of Ann: Who Castrated Ann Coulter?
Submitted by vrwc13 on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 11:22am.
"There is no conservative writer that I admire more than Ann Coulter. She's smart as hell and, more importantly, she is courageous. She has always been willing to write what other conservatives believe but...
...Coulter herself pointed out last year when she spoke at CPAC, Barack Obama will be reelected in 2012 if the Republican Party nominates Mitt Romney for President."
http://spectator.org/archives/2012/02/06/who-castrated-ann-coulter
...who indeed?
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
Well done, sir.
Submitted by wiwf on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 11:40am.
Well done, sir.
Welcome to the Foo Foo Caucus!
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 1:48pm.
"He was not awarded any delegates for these victories, however, so the question for today is, how much do Santorum's triumphs count?"
Welcome to the wonderful world of the Foo Foo Caucus! If at first you don't succeed, we'll give you two more chances, just like the Good Fairy did for Little Bunny Foo Foo!
You know, the caucus system isn't much different that the presidential election system. That system, too, gives the candidates three chances to win. First you need to "win" the "general election," then you need to "win" the Electoral vote (National Conventions, anyone?), and then, finally, you need to "win" confirmation by the House, kinda like how the party "committees" have to verify the "winner" of the "convention." Just as the Hose has the power to do with the Presidential election, the party "committee" can overturn the "apparent" results of the "convention" and tell everyone: sorry, everyone, we've changed your minds for you! Candidate X is now the Official Winner, just like they did for Santorum!
Why do we even bother with a "general election" anyways? The only thing it immediately accomplishes is to allow MSM types, like Dan Rather during the 2000 elections" to hyperventilate as to how "this could go in several directions."
I will never forget tuning into CBS at midnight and seeing Dan Rather trying so hard to "explain" to people just how Al Gore could still "win" the election by holding up a US map and pointing to each "key" state and saying "if this sate does this, and that state does that," only to have his own fellow stage member look to him and say: "the best Al Gore can hope to accomplish right now is a tie."
I've NEVER seen anyone try so hard to deny reality as Dan Rather did during the 2000 general election. That's the first time I've ever witnessed what can only be described as a "psychotic break," and on national TV, no less!
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CNN presents Santorum as 'wishful thinking'
Submitted by vrwc13 on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 1:09pm.
"Santorum, the 'coulda, shoulda, woulda' candidate"
http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/08/opinion/stanley-santorum/index.html?hpt=hp_c1
"All this amounts to Santorum being the "coulda-shoulda-woulda" candidate of 2012. If only his victory in Iowa had been reported accurately, he might have had bigger momentum going in to New Hampshire and South Carolina. And if only conservatives had coalesced around him rather than Gingrich, he would be the front-runner. And if only Republicans voted on the basis of what they believe in rather than what they think is electable..."
...well just maybe it's not to late for Repubicans to vote on what they believe...
'Cause the Dems/liberals/msm have to be a little worried right now:
- the Wizard of Ob has pissed off the Catholics, and Santorum is one. Hmmm, could spell trouble as the the Catholic vote could shift big time
- the youth have become disinchanted with the Wizard of OB, and Santorum isn't another McCain/Dole type
- if Santorum can find a way to garner even more of the women voters, then
...yeah, the Dems/liberals/msm have a right to be worried (already throwing out ad hominem with: "your GOP buddies didn't like you").
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
I hope the repube establishment is spinning on its eyebrows,...
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 2:19pm.
...spitting nails, with smoke coming out of their ears.
Just maybe Mittens RINOmney (Obama Lite) isn't so inevitable, after all.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Santorum cannot win the
Submitted by balboa on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 2:29pm.
Santorum cannot win the election. Neither can Newt. Romney is the Republican party's best bet, and no one in the party seems to like him.
This could have been a slam dunk election for the right, but I'd say it's very much a toss-up.
Pardon me, Bal.
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 2:40pm.
Pardon me if I don't trust your judgement as to who can or can not "win" the Republican nomination. You're not exactly unbiased about the subject.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
I'm sure I wouldn't either if
Submitted by balboa on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 3:11pm.
I'm sure I wouldn't either if I was you.
Do you think Santorum can be elected?
Sure, why not?
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 4:06pm.
I don't see any reason why he can't be elected. History is full of examples of candidates "coming from behind" and winning an election, despite what the majority of the press was saying at the time.. Lincoln was one, Obama another. I do remember how the majority of the press, and the Democrats (but I repeat myself), all declared Reagan as unelectable, until he won with the largest margin in history!
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Pathetic analysis Bal
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 10:43pm.
Romney is the Republican party's best bet, and no one in the party seems to like him.
Really,? So how does this make him the Party's "best bet"? Wouldnt it make more sense to elect someone more people liked?
Except you can't agree on who
Submitted by balboa on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 10:46pm.
Except you can't agree on who you like, so you'll get Romney.
Good grief,
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 11:25pm.
Except you can't agree on who you like, so you'll get Romney.
So let me see if I can decipher this, so we cant agree on who we like, so Mitt wins by default,, right?
I always thought the guy who gets the most Delegates wins? And that will be the guy who we agree on.
It's official!
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 2:37pm.
It's official, Obama loves illegal immigrants! His administration has created an official "public advocate" for "undocumented workers" (isn't that the Newspeak term these days?) being charged with immigration violations! I guess it's not enough that those people already get a lawyer to represent them, at the tax payer's expense, no doubt, but Obama has seen fit to actually create a new "advocate" for them, within ICE itself, no less!
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Tis stupefying to see this.
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 9:48pm.
Tis stupefying to see this.
all that for a flag
Submitted by Agnostic on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 3:03pm.
it seems the Obamas have finally found a use for the American flag:
http://store.barackobama.com/runway-to-win/diane-von-furstenberg.html
Pale horse is correct, vrwc13 concedes Santorum has a ways to
Submitted by lrgon on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 4:12pm.
to before he cranks up the nerve like "Doctor No" to wave away the pork everytime. Paul votes NO despite pressure from a "conservative" in the oval office!
Rick has never been one to let conservative principles get in his way of pragmatism.
But I am the only "true conservative" in this field of conservatives, except for "Doctor No" over there who "votes No on every spending bill."
Yea, in Rick's world ya' gotta vote liberal half the time or that reaching across the isle is meaningless.
Sacrifice the principles and save them for the ignorant and easily fooled voters during election time. Tell them you hate abortion and love family values but when caught voting against your "rock solid" principles make up any excuse and the boobs will eat up your crap like "the other white meat."
The Voting Record:
The Record is to bogus conservative politicians what the wooden stake is to Dracula.
1) Rick said he made a mistake voting NCLB, but only after doctor Paul forced Santorum to admit he made a mistake.
A "mistake!" Santorum, It was a sanatariun doozy! A real whopper that only can only be explained that he enjoys these forays into the "Land of Liberaldom" when he thinks no one is watching?
Rick the "only true conservative" cast his vote for the No Child left Behind legislation that added a huge increase to Jimmy Carter's Department of Education.
That department of perversity indoctrinates your child in public school! it's the very same department that pushes the perverse "life style" of HOh-MO-SEXUALITY on impressionable school children.
That perverse "federal" department that Ronald Reagan wanted his fellow Republicans to help him abolish in the 80's got a big boost from senator Santorum two decades later to help it grow into an even bigger bully to punish young kids in every public school in the land! Had the DOE repented from their multiply sins of indoctrinating kids into socialism and perversity when Santorum's sanity left him to vote Yes for this pro-abortion; pro-marxist, pro-homosexual cabinet agency?
All right that is not "nit picking," unless you believe that Reagan was wrong about the Department of Education?
All right he says" I made a mistake." Rick you are a poster boy for "mistakes." Your sins have piled up with every trip you've crossed over to the wrong side of the tracks - Liberal town.
Rick Santorum claims to be "right to life" and has conned some "pro-life " organizations despite having voted for this pro-abortion bill: http://www.votesmart.org/bill/5480/21800/27054/abortion-clinic-access-bill
Gun control - gun lock Rick: http://schotline.us/2012/01/05/santorums-voting-record-not-good/
Rick is haunted by his rolling in the politcal hay with abortionist liberal Sin-a-tors like Arlen Spector. Opps,: http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Santorum-Haunted-Pro-abortion-Specter...
Some people are so desperate
Submitted by jay_1975 on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 4:19pm.
Some people are so desperate to support anyone other than Romney that they will ignore the past record of any candidate who tells them the lies they want to hear.
Conversely...
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 4:23pm.
Conversely, some people are so, shall we say, enamored with Romney that they'll accuse others of ignorance, or complicity, for supporting anyone other than Romney. Which goes to show you: politics is a two way street, one that just about anyone can drive on.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Agreed. Heck, I don't even
Submitted by jay_1975 on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 4:46pm.
Agreed. Heck, I don't even have a dog in this fight as there is no one in the GOP field that I can strongly get behind.
There is an alternitive, Jay
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 11:27pm.
There is an alternative available for you, Jay. And that's for you to run for office yourself.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
The way the two parties have
Submitted by jay_1975 on Thu, 02/09/2012 - 11:50am.
The way the two parties have it set up today, it is nearly impossible for a regular person to run for office outside of local offices. We are the majority governed by the privileged few today.
some people are so, shall we say, Annamored with Romney...
Submitted by vrwc13 on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 4:50pm.
...that they become the subject of this:
Who Castrated Ann Coulter?
"There is no conservative writer that I admire more than Ann Coulter. She's smart as hell and, more importantly, she is courageous. She has always been willing to write what other conservatives believe but don't have the guts to say in print. She has never played it safe and has certainly never adjusted her opinions for the sake of conforming to the conventional wisdom of Old Guard Republicans....."
but now...
"As Coulter herself pointed out last year when she spoke at CPAC, Barack Obama will be reelected in 2012 if the Republican Party nominates Mitt Romney for President."
http://spectator.org/archives/2012/02/06/who-castrated-ann-coulter
...how ironic, Ann has flip/flopped
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
Presidents spokesperson in
Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 6:30pm.
Presidents spokesperson in her future maybe?
End 'gun violence in America' - Require training and MANDATORY "Shall Carry" by every Citizen.
If harry reid is the best person to lead the senate, what does that say about the other 99 senators?
Some people are so desperate (reply)...
Submitted by vrwc13 on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 4:43pm.
...that they ignore the obvious:
- Rmoney couldn't ever get past 75% of the voters in 2008 not supporting him.
- Rmoney, after 4 years of more name recognition and MILLIONS of dollars, can't get past 65% of the voters in 2012 not supporting him
- Rmoney, in 4 years from now spending MILLIONS more, still probably won't get the simple majority of voters supporting him
...so who's desperate here?
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
Who's desperate? All of them
Submitted by jay_1975 on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 4:51pm.
Who's desperate? All of them it seems. Newt and Santorum aren't even eligible to pick up delegates in every state, Ron Paul will never have the support from the party and Romney can't get over 50% of the vote in the primaries. They keep attacking each other, spending money and further tarnish the brand. Their desperation only helps Obama, unfortunately. Oh well, at least the Senate should change hands this go around.
Luck for them, Jay...
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 11:33pm.
It's luck for Newt and Santorum that they really don't actually NEED the delegates from every state. So, those "lost" sates are irrelevant.
"They keep attacking each other, spending money and further tarnish the brand."
That's what happens in the Primary process, you know. But "tarnishing the brand?" I just don't see it.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Pundits
Submitted by HudsonRiverGirl on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 4:01pm.
Certain loud mouthed pundits would rather have Obama re-elected so they are relevant for another four years.
The national economy, the national security, and the security of our allies, be damned.
What a sad day for our country.
Simply
Submitted by deadeyedan on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 6:31pm.
Does it count for much?
It tells the elite, establishment Republicans in the shadows backing their annointed one (Mitt) that the grassroots are simply not with them - PERIOD!
LIBERALISM - government of the people by the theories and for the ideologists
Masters of the obvious...
Submitted by vrwc13 on Wed, 02/08/2012 - 7:01pm.
article: In Santorum’s Sweep, Sign of G.O.P. Unease With Romney
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/09/us/politics/santorum-sweep-sets-stage-for-new-battle-in-republican-race.html?_r=1
"Mr. Santorum’s rebuke of Mr. Romney could scramble the dynamics of the Republican race even as many in the party’s establishment were urging its most committed activists to finally fall in line behind Mr. Romney, a former Massachusetts governor. Voters in three disparate states forcefully refused to do that on Tuesday. "
...by george I think they've got it!
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
Go to hell, Carolina, go to
Submitted by ckc1227 on Thu, 02/09/2012 - 12:21am.
Go to hell, Carolina, go to hell. IN YOUR FACE!
Anyone else watching CPAC?
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 02/09/2012 - 12:54pm.
Marco lit up the house this morning.
He is just what this country needs. The video of his speech should be available soon.....do yourself a favor and watch it, particularly if you are bummed about "our chances". (fut, this means you!). It will make you happy and proud to be a conservative, and hopeful that we can conquer this liberal beast that is ruining our country.
And NB staff, if you read this, do you have anyone there blogging it this year? Lachlan was there last year, I'd be interested in following the impressions of any NBer who is there.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Conservative Hero needs your help
Submitted by Agnostic on Thu, 02/09/2012 - 4:45pm.
Biting back against a media reporter this hero is jailed. FREE MAX!!!
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/02/08/dog-bites-kusa-anchor-during-newsc...
Sorry - couldn't resist.
I truly hope the anchor is going to be okay.
~I hope that poor dog doesn't catch something
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 02/09/2012 - 4:50pm.
.
~Tipping their hand
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 02/09/2012 - 5:02pm.
I mentioned a week or so ago that Obama and Co. want Romney to win the nomination so they can use RomneyCare as an albatross to hang around his neck. Yesterday afternoon in the car, I heard about this on the news...
WASHINGTON (AP) - The White House is taking on GOP presidential hopeful Mitt Romney over his criticism of President Barack Obama's birth control coverage mandate. Press secretary Jay Carney says Romney is an "odd messenger" to be attacking Obama over the issue.
The mandate requires that church-affiliated employers such as hospitals or charities provide birth control coverage even if it runs counter to their religious beliefs. Romney has accused Obama of an "assault on religion" over the issue. But Carney says a virtually identical policy is in place in Massachusetts, where Romney served as governor, and that it's ironic for Romney to criticize Obama over it.
Toot, Toot
Submitted by PaleHorse on Thu, 02/09/2012 - 5:51pm.
All aboard the Rick Train! Next stop, three weeks from now when he goes out of style
hoot hoot... and when RINO's act like conservatives, they lose
Submitted by vrwc13 on Thu, 02/09/2012 - 6:17pm.
"In this race, I'm the only guy that hasn't spent time in Washington," he told reporters on an airport tarmac in Atlanta. "And Senator Santorum and Speaker Gingrich, they are the very Republicans who acted like Democrats. And when Republicans act like Democrats, they lose." - Rmoney
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/08/romney-rivals-are-republicans-who-acted-like-democrats/
Going way back to 1994, when he backed abortion rights as a Senate candidate, Romney’s wife, Anne, made a $150 gift to Planned Parenthood on their joint checking account. The Boston Globe published this photo, which shows Romney at the fundraising event for Planned Parenthood in Cohasset, Mass. By 2002 he was back on the campaign trail again, this time as a gubernatorial candidate promising to maintain the family-planning status quo in Massachusetts. -
http://www.salon.com/2012/02/09/on_birth_control_romney_mirrored_obama/singleton/
...again hoot hoot or should I have said flip flop?
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne