Open Thread: Democrats Losing Voters in 2012 Battleground States
It seems President Obama's speeches on class warfare, big government, and comments on American laziness haven't worked in his favor. According to ABC News, the number of registered Democrats in battleground states for next year's election has dropped by nearly one million. Some of his supporters contend that Obama will still win the independent vote, where many of those Democrats have gone.
Do you think Obama can win the independent vote in 2012? Let us know your thoughts in the comments.
The analysis from ABC on the drop in registered Democrats suggests Obama is losing huge numbers of voters in key battleground states:
A report released today by the centrist think-tank Third Way showed that more than 825,000 voters in eight key battleground states have fled the Democratic Party since Obama won election in 2008.
“The numbers show that Democrats’ path to victory just got harder,” said Lanae Erickson, the report’s co-author. “We are seeing both an increase in independents and a decrease in Democrats and that means the coalition they have to assemble is going to rely even more on independents in 2012 than it did in 2008.” [...]
In eight states that will be must-wins in 2012 – Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina and Pennsylvania – Democrats lost 5.4 percent of their registered voters while Republicans lost 3.1 percent. The number of independent voters in those states jumped 3.4 percent.
While the independent vote could possibly still sway to Obama, the election results of 2010 would suggest otherwise.
Obama snagged 52 percent of unaffiliated voters in 2008, but those independents flocked to Republicans in the 2010 midterms with 56 percent opting for a GOP candidate. Between 2008 and 2010, there was a 27-point shift in which party independents chose.
Could this all be a result of Obama's insistance that we need more government? After all, in his Tuesday speech, he said "...they argue, even if prosperity doesn’t trickle down, well, that’s the price of liberty. Now, it’s a simple theory. And we have to admit, it’s one that speaks to our rugged individualism and our healthy skepticism of too much government. That’s in America’s DNA. And that theory fits well on a bumper sticker. But here’s the problem: It doesn’t work. It has never worked."
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Finally
Submitted by ajkrik on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 11:22am.
"Independent" voters are getting a little respect.
Both parties have taken these voters for granted for way too long.
I disagree, ajk
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 11:45am.
The Republicans have been bending over backwards so far to cater to the Independents, we've ended up with McRino and, for instance, Charlie Crist in Florida.
I think that is because the Establishment Republicans mistakenly believe that Independents are the "squishy middle" spectrum in their views. This, IMO, is mistaken. I believe Independents are fed up with the party ideology of both sides, and while basically voting pretty much straight party one way or the other, choose not to identify with either party.
I, myself, would register as an Independent, except here in Florida, I would lose my privilege of voting in the primaries. Which is as it should be. Unless one chooses to self-identify with a party, one shouldn't have the ability to determine that party's candidates in the general elections.
As for the Democrats, other than Obama, who stubbornly refuses to do so, I think many Democrats are running to the right (particularly on the fiscal front) after the Tea Party drubbing of 2010. See Claire McGaskill as an example.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
I think it's hard to call,
Submitted by Cappmann1962 on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 11:24am.
and I admit to being biased, but I sincerely hope he's out. I do base my "hope of change" on the fact that many who voted to put him in office had left his camp. He's lost independents, he's lost apologist moderates, he's lost a lot of middle-America, he's lost some of his own party, and he's even lost some of the black vote. How democrat math comes up with a win using these numbers is beyond me (as is most of their philosophy). Based on this and my personal desire, he won't win reelection.
Cappman
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 11:47am.
You forgot the one voting block Obama hasn't lost.....the dead and the illegal. And he and his minions are working diligently to swell their numbers every single day. Acorn isn't dead, it just has a new name.
Book it.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
recounts
Submitted by Agnostic on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 11:53am.
have we ever had a recount after the liberal gets the lead when all the ballots are 'found'?
You're right Blonde
Submitted by Cappmann1962 on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 11:56am.
But while this is an effective campaign tactic in Chicago, I don't think Bambi or his (mis)advisors have the skills to carry it off on a national level. And after all he and his cronies have gotten caught at over the last several years, as well as the CONSTANT election rigging by democrats as a whole, this aspect will be closely monotired. Great point nonetheless!
Don't be so sure CappmannDo.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 12:37pm.
Apparently the dimocrats can get it to work in other states:
http://nation.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/07/2008-voter-fraud-investiga...
I have absolutely no doubt that they will lie, cheap, steal, or kill if necessary to win an election.
Well, the dems do also have the college students.
Submitted by UpNorth on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 6:15pm.
They vote at home, then they vote at college. Along with the linemen for the Dallas Cowboys, they vote all over the U.S.
Exactly right, Blonde
Submitted by ThisnThat on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 11:58am.
And isn't that the real reason the NAACP is running to the U.N. to complain that states have finally awakened and are requiring proof of a voter's legal status? The “most vicious, co-ordinated and sinister attack to narrow participation in our democracy since the early 20th century” they say. I guess Eric Holder simply isn't doin his job, right?
__________
“Didn't win the Medal of Honor? Didn't even serve? Then lie about it. We'll support you." — 9th Circuit Court
Right!
Submitted by Secret Conservative on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 2:48pm.
I read that this morning and immediately thought, "Since when does the U.N. have the right to govern our elections?" As far as I am concerned we should have kicked the UN out of the US YEARS ago. Let them fend for themselves.
As far as the Dems fighting voter ID requirements on the basis of freaking human rights, or racism, or any other "unfairness" I think we need to laugh in their faces and go ahead and do it. I know in Georgia we have to show an ID to vote and I haven't noticed it cutting down on voter turnout. But when I lived in Illinois and Wisconsin, bastions of voter fraud, you would have thought we wanted to bring back lynching and cross burning.
No, no, no SC. We
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 2:58pm.
No, no, no SC.
We Republicans/Conservatives would NEVER want to emulate the Dims and bring back lynching or cross burning. Those acts are strictly for the party that created them, the Democrats.
Us on the Right just want a fair election. One person (living and legal resident of the US), one vote.
Not just a resident
Submitted by GW on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 6:37pm.
But a citizen. I consider it a priveledge to have been Naturalized.
GW, You are correct. Poor
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 8:33pm.
GW, You are correct.
Poor choice of words on my part. A citizen of the United States.
IMHO...
Submitted by ontheright on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 11:30am.
..."independents" are considered to be much too important in the grand scheme of things and are nothing more than fence sitting, squishy, which way is the wind blowing followers.
Leaders, who declare themselves Rep or Dems without hessitation, don't sit around waiting for opportunity to land in their laps; they take the bull by the horns and lead. This is why "independents" are so easily swayed and therefore are becoming less and less relevent.
My .02
'independents', 'I's and Independents
Submitted by Agnostic on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 11:39am.
There are three types of independents:
One is the person that is independent because they have no strong opinions, don't know enough to make a decision or think that declaring a party makes one too controversial ('squishy voters').
The second is the person who thinks of them self as too free thinking to be defined by a party (nearly all of these are Democrat voters).
And third is the person who is basically a conservative, at least fiscally so, who has seen the GOP go down the big government path every time they have been given the room to operate and they are tired of even giving titular support to the party (nearly all still vote Republican but will often sit out on votes).
Thanks, Agnostic
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 11:54am.
I replied pretty much the same thing, above (before reading your post)....except I didn't really detail the types of indies.
I truly believe the "squishy middle" (funny, I think I used the same term) is getting smaller all the time, while the people with a political ideology who disdain the label group is getting larger.
Which is why I think Republicans need to abandon the centrist approach to appeal to the squish people, and get back to true conservatism, where our candidates run on ideas of how to get back to our founding Constitutional principles.
While I think Newt's past has shown a propensity to squish, I think he's seen the light, so to speak.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
agree Blonde
Submitted by Agnostic on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 12:02pm.
the squishy middle is getting smaller but President Obama is not worried about the independent voters. He is focused on the uninformed or single subject voters. These people will not be showing up in polls for several months and a certain class of these people will not even be registered until the several months from now.
This is why it is useless to look at these polls now. Sure, Obama supporters are no longer showing up on the registers - they were only put there, by ACORN or some other activist groups help, for the 2008 vote. They are gone now but as time draws near they will be brought back with the same empty promises and bribes. The good news for the Republicans is that I don't think Obama will win any more states than he did in 2008 so it will only be a matter of how many electoral votes he will lose.
IMO, he's going to have to fool a whole bunch of noobs
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 12:12pm.
...to the political process.
Because his promises to the dumb masses, and those easily led down the primrose path, haven't been kept. Obama hasn't paid the mortgage out of his stash for the galactically stupid, nor has he fixed it so that illegals get amnesty, nor provided free education for the OWies.
Unless the economy drastically turns around (and I don't believe these unemployment numbers for a second, and I'm sure after the holidays all of the temporary workers will fall off and drive the numbers, even jury rigged as they are, back up), I expect to see Obama's numbers crater further. In his desperation, I can only imagine what kinds of idiot moves this bunch will make.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Agreed, Blonde...
Submitted by motherbelt on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 12:05pm.
and you'll notice that the maimstream media never seem to cajole Democrats to "move to the center" to appeal to "independents." Probably because they know most "independents" are Democrats who just want to feel like they're not "beholden" to a party.
And if you listen to liberals, they're all "centrists" anyway, so what's the difference?
Well said, motherbelt
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 12:12pm.
I wish I'd posted that!
(Do you and I ever disagree on ANYTHING? Maybe vanilla ice cream at this point, LOL).
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
I don't think he'll carry NC
Submitted by NC Cop on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 11:29am.
I don't think he'll carry NC again. He won by a slim margin and I don't think he will hold that lead again.
... and maybe this time ...
Submitted by Newsbubba on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 11:34am.
... Democrats won't be counting all the votes in every precinct!
Of course, once Bev starts passing out her "special little favors" during the campaign, she could sway a few horny voters.
I don't think Obama will carry Florida, either
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 11:55am.
The election of Allen West in deep, dark blue Broward in 2010 gives me great hope that people here finally get it, and that we'll be able to overcome the snowbird block and the dummies up in Palm Beach. Furthermore, when Marco Rubio gets behind the candidate, you'll see the Cuban voters go big (R) this time around.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Ditto, Blonde.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 12:44pm.
I am amazed at how the Obama bumper stickers, which were so prevalent all over this little bastion of liberal twits, have disappeared lately.
The snowbirds down here that I know are solidly conservative, even the ones from NY, if you can believe that. Of course I tend to screen my friends carefully, so I'm sure we have plenty of liberal morons who register to vote here.
I rarely see Obama/Biden
Submitted by killa37 on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 1:17pm.
I rarely see Obama/Biden stickers around here any more...........either they got scraped off, or the people are driving new cars that they got through the 'Cash for Clunkers' program - I'm not sure. But this IS the People's Republic of Hawaii, and I expect to see an onslaught of new stickers starting next year.
What I'm STILL trying to figure out is why some other Democrat isn't running against Boy BlahBlah...........I mean, I haven't heard one thing with regards to that subject matter, other than the usual Nurse Ratchett theories. There must be some younger, good-looking, eloquent, forward-thinking possible candidate coming from the D side of the aisle, wouldn't you think??? It seems that a LOT of Democrats are as sick of Boy Blunder as everybody else is...........
What's that you say??? Oh........they CAN'T run against him??? Oh................I get it............OK.
Sure there is, Killa
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 1:50pm.
Little Debs. She's the new face of the Democrat Leadership. I thought everyone knew that.
*snort*
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Then somebody better call
Submitted by killa37 on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 2:01pm.
Then somebody better call PETA, because she's making cocker spaniels look bad!!! But she wouldn't dare run against Boy Barry, would she??? After all, he said she was 'cute' - which was probably the first time she's ever heard that!!!
hey!!!
Submitted by GW on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 2:10pm.
I'm in the PalmBeach county portion of West's district. We're not all dummies up here!
Sorry, GW
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 2:31pm.
I meant the butterfly ballot people who voted for Al Bore and GWB.
IOW, democrats.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
No
Submitted by John21 on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 11:33am.
Mr. Obama is recognized for his lazy do nothing ethics and continuous whine about it always being someone else’s fault.
He has supported too many scandals and corruption officials, has shown very poor judgment on many of the important issues to Americans. His sole purpose has been to cater to the special interest groups that buy his opinion.
He has been responsible for way to many errors in judgment and corruption to gain the majority of the independent vote.
Democrats are losing voters??
Submitted by Tugboat Phil on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 11:35am.
Have people stopped dying for some reason I hadn't heard about?
Dying does not stop a Dem
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 12:12pm.
Dying does not stop a Dem from voting. You should know that by now TP. :-)
Unfortunately, he can win again.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 11:42am.
We are still saddled with almost half the population of this country not paying any income taxes, so those morons will vote for anyone who promises them more of the same.
Obama isn't our biggest problem. It's the idiots who voted for him last time, and who may do so again.
If we don't find a candidate who is willing to call a spade a spade, we are in deep Shiite.
Where's that "Like" button when you need it?
Submitted by Dave. on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 12:01pm.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Coming soon, actually
Submitted by Matthew Sheffield on Fri, 12/09/2011 - 12:44am.
We're going to be rolling out Disqus comments like our sister site cnsnews.com has right now.
Going to integrate it with the NB user name registration though. Going to be early next year.
Cool, I think.
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Fri, 12/09/2011 - 12:50am.
A couple of questions:
1. What will this do to the archives of old comments?
2. What effect will integrating through username registration have?
Cool, thanks for the update
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Fri, 12/09/2011 - 12:52pm.
Cool, thanks for the update Matt.
Obama+MSM+idiot voters= 'our
Submitted by killa37 on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 2:04pm.
Obama+MSM+idiot voters= 'our biggest problem'.
The voters are going in one direction only.
Submitted by NeoKong on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 11:43am.
Away from Obama.
Away from Democrats.
Nobody who voted against Obama is going to vote for him now but many people who did vote for him are having deep regrets.
He cannot run on empty rhetoric and catchy slogans again.
He has a record now and it sucks.
He got the benefit of the doubt before but he will not get that this time.
Losing Democrat voters...
Submitted by AtillaKahuna on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 11:54am.
I know that here in Wisconsin, EVERYONE is sick and tired of the Liberal temper tantrums.
We have been in a constant election cycle with all of the recall drives the liberal union thugs have been forcing on us, and the entire electorate, with the possible exception of the liberal bastion of Madison, are just plain fed up with them.
You lost. Accept it, acknowledge it, and MOVE ON!!!
Kahuna
There are persons...who see not the full extent of the evil which threatens them; they solace themselves with hopes that the enemy...will be merciful.
I'm sure the ACORN goons are manufacturing plenty of "voters"
Submitted by Dave. on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 11:59am.
...to more than make up for the difference.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Look at how he won
Submitted by WarEagle66 on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 11:59am.
Look at how he won Pennsylvania....It was the dumps of Philly and Pittsburgh that voted for him...nobody in the middle. Who is going to vote for him now? How much voter fraud will there be in Philly?
I'm guessing ...
Submitted by Newsbubba on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 12:47pm.
... all they need to win the state?
maybe the 'won' "jumped the shark" with this one...
Submitted by vrwc13 on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 12:44pm.
Obama's Godfather Speech from the WSJ
The president sounds more like a Corleone than a Roosevelt.
A great read about how the 'won' spoke more platform(running for 2012) than policy(doing his job).
Basically a rant about the wealthy robbing the rest.
Get a clue voters, the 'king' has no clothes... time to 'hope' for a real 'change'.
That once it's understood the Kansas speech was the work of the party leader, not the president of the United States, it becomes easier to think about it without overreacting to its intense and vivid rhetoric... Mr. Obama, the bloodless political analysis of the speech runs, was just rallying his base. He needs to.
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
Anyone listening to The Won whine?
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 12:57pm.
His presser....he is PATHETIC.
It's all about him, that mean Congress won't approve his appointments, won't pass a SS tax "cut" extension unless they extract a pound of HIS flesh, yada yada yada.
Then he blabbers on about people being hoodwinked by mean old bankers, soldiers taking out loans at 100 or 200% interest rates (but hey, General Petraeus, head of the CIA, is on the job, W(in) T(he) F(uture)????) and are being ripped off.
This man is an utter idiot.
Oh, now he's talking about his vacay. Poor baby.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
This man is an utter idiot. - Blonde
Submitted by vrwc13 on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 1:36pm.
2008: we knew this
2009-2011: he proves it
2012: will others see it? - "change"
2013: will we be free from it? - "hope"
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
This is for anyone looking to advance their career opportunities
Submitted by bkeyser on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 12:56pm.
Here's some helpful advice from the Boston Globe. Now is the perfect time to go back to college -or, if you're in college, diversify your course selection to help land a better job once you graduate. Vanessa Formato, a recent college grad herself, penned this awesome list of courses available from various universities that everyone should consider. (Keep in mind, even if you're a little strapped for cash, just go ahead and secure the college loan now, because the whole thing is going to crash within a year or so and the Feds will bail out the banks and forgive past loan commitments- so you won't be out much money and you'll have a great new, useful education.)
10 college courses you wish you'd registered for
Puppetry 101
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 1:12pm.
Years ago, there was a class at UF which we called "Rocks for Jocks".....also a crazy "food science" class taught by a very strange guy whose claim to fame is now chronicled at True Crime.....he was murdered.
I'm sure the OWies would love all of these classes.
Hey, BK, I have an idea, let's send the Coach of the University of Tennessee Volunteers Football Program to Occupy [City Name Here]. The most notable thing he's done to date is to teach his players how to properly cleanse their nether parts. THAT's a class the OWies could definitely use (well, at least according to mean old Newt).
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Going to College, is now a career for life.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 2:24pm.
I know of several people in their late 30's (part time restaurant workers) that are still supported by parents, kuz they are still going to school. The only course I saw that might prepare, skulls full of mush, for any sort of self support is Toy Product Design.
However to actually make toys one needs hands on skills, with the use of tools.
Whatever, I guess pretty pictures on computer screens, shall earn one a grade.
You Didn't Build That.
Good evening upcountry
Submitted by cocodrie on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 2:44pm.
If you trust any of them with a knife or screwdriver you will have to include a course in first aid. You could name it "Suture self".
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Coco is the winner*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 8:15pm.
Suture Self
Post of the Day!!!
Not just now, UCW.
Submitted by UpNorth on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 6:24pm.
I have a cousin who never got a full-time job until the age of 41. As my dad said, he was a professional student.
And, the job he landed? Teacher. He then moved on up to an assistant principle's job then he ended up as a Superintendent of Schools.
Universities another taxpayer funded state religious order
Submitted by upcountrywater on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 6:38pm.
He must be a perfected PC Guru, wow
You Didn't Build That.
Eric Holder met up with Darrell Issa
Submitted by bkeyser on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 1:11pm.
this morning before the hearing and declared his unwavering cooperation going forward with the investigation of Operation Fast and Furious. Nice to see these two getting along.
This is Not a Photoshop!
Submitted by upcountrywater on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 3:05pm.
Transparent justice dept nightmare.
Rush was just re-runin his Gun Walker Scoop on originally aired on July 7, 2011. And his up date.... goood....
Gun control Incrementalism imposed by democrats.
Ohh Janet..What a visionary..
"Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of firearms is the goal."
~ Janet Reno, Attorney General of the United States, December 10th, 1993 [Associated Press]
You Didn't Build That.
BK – This probably deserves it’s own “OT” …
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 3:21pm.
Issa vs. Holder – (h/t: The Right Scoop)
Spoiler Alert: Issa wins big!!!!!
http://www.therightscoop.com/fireworks-issa-grills-holder-over-witholdin...
- Grump :o)
Wow. Gotta love Issa. It
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 3:48pm.
Wow. Gotta love Issa.
It will truly be sweet if come Jan 2013 the Republicans/Conservatives take a huge majority in the House and Senate and start sending out subpoenas followed by indictments and show the country how corrupt this Administration is. The heck with the idea of an incoming Administration ignoring what the previous Admin did. President Downgrade and his cronies have done so much damage to our Country that we need to show people that there are consequences for ones actions.
P.S. I wish the people in Texas would come to their senses and get rid of Sheila Jackson Lee.
Damn Houstonians
Submitted by Unsane on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 8:05pm.
You and me both, Scuba. I am ashamed to admit I lived in her district once. I tried voting her out.
Frickin' Houston...
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
I knew the Commucrats would
Submitted by ricklail on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 4:39pm.
I knew the Commucrats would run cover for Holder. I'll listen to Cam Edwards tonight to get the tesimony broken down. I think next week they have Dennis Burke the former US Attorney there in AZ. He has a lot of splaining to do too. I am starting to feel like Issa might just get to the bottom of this thing.
Since most of this operation was ran out of the Tucson office what is the local media reporting?
rick & Scuba: The “local news” is treating F & F…
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 5:04pm.
Exactly the way the National; News outlets are… crickets. To the news media “Operation Fast & Furious” could be renamed “Few (reports) & Far (in-between).”
But on a bright note: My local paper is listing all the “Garage sales” and locations that are happening this weekend.
Scuba: I would not like to get on the wrong side of Issa - honest!!
- Grump :o)
This says it all about Bush vs. Obama
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 2:33pm.
As they say, a picture really IS worth a thousand words.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
And they all complained about
Submitted by killa37 on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 2:52pm.
And they all complained about Bush going down to his ranch - Reagan too. I don't think the people who live around Kailua over there on the windward side of Oahu are real stoked about the Royal Family coming back for another vacation............maybe even some ot the people who voted for him. It's such a scene when he's there, and it messes everything up................of course, I'm sure he doesn't care, and I'm doubly sure that Moooooooooochelle thinks that she's entitled to all the perks and favors that she can get...........and probably gets irritated that people would be infringing on her precious vacation time.
Fortunatly, I'm going over this weekend to be with both of my sons and my grandson, so I'll miss the Royal Leeches...........but my son who lives there isn't looking forward to the inconveniences that will be caused starting next weekend.
Killa
Submitted by Dan Diego on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 8:48pm.
Question. Yesterday here I was behind a car with " Defend Hawaii" decal and a "scary" looking assault rifle silhouette (made me nervous).
Now that I've calmed down from that "threatening image", can you tell me what this is about?
Blonde, Make me drop one tear.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 3:18pm.
Place all the Family that needs Coverage in one spot. Never occurred to me that is was a personal reduction program. At least 500 to 1,000 people that can spend time with family.
Obama... how much additional personal will be needed....Nope to bring your family that will be extra, or some other caveat .
A Screen saver photo.
You Didn't Build That.
Your right Blonde...
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 5:21pm.
...That picture does say it all - and tells us everything we need to know about Ear Leaders concerns for others!
- Grump :o)
My respect
Submitted by jon_torlin on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 6:09pm.
My respect for Bush(both of them) got a little higher, I had suspected it was something like this.
On the other hand, my disrespect, my scale of dispicable for Soetoro has gone down to a new low because I didn't know that was going on. How cruel they can be. That wasn't a question of how cruel can they be, it's that they ARE cruel. I hope they get bad weather down there the whole time. (Sorry, killa! I don't want them having a good time!)
-Jon
Hay No worries.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 6:30pm.
Rain gear around here is a swimsuit.
Wind will drive one crazy, not to mention ankles getting sand blasted and the trades have been blowing around here big time. Wind whipping up some whitecaps right now, heh.
You Didn't Build That.
Blonde
Submitted by ahusser on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 8:35pm.
Clinton, instead of going to Camp David, decided to go to the Kennedy Center on Christmas night to see "The Will Rogers Follies" starring Mac Davis. 50 police officers were held over their normal shift, not to mention the retinue of Secret Service Agents etc, who had to forego Christmas with their families to service the Great Ego. Who probably couldn't stomach staying somewhere cooped up with Hillary. The epitome of crass selfishness.
"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'
Let's Get it Going
Submitted by Kleenex on Thu, 12/08/2011 - 7:31pm.
Romney, Newt and all the other GOP candidates need to hammer Obama unmercilessly. He's got sooo many lies and anti-USA statements on record that even I could put together countless ads. This is what voters want and I can't for the life of me figure out why they aren't all doing it. The winner will be the one who attacks Obama the best and the most. What are they afraid of? Let's also support Rocky Anderson, a lefty who's going to run on a new party ticket. He can surely siphon off some votes from Obama. I don't care what Newt or Romney did 10/15/20 years ago, I care about what Obama has done for the last 3. We all know Obama will be extremely negative so why pretend?