Open Thread: Will Voter IDs Fix Voter Fraud?
A number of states across the country are pushing voter ID measures to curb voter fraud at the polls. Unfortunately, the Republicans pushing these measures are often accused of being racist or disenfranchising toward minority groups of the population without access to government-issued identification. In fact, just last week on Nov. 14, a group of Democratic representatives met to discuss what they see as the dangers of voter ID laws. According to a Daily Caller article, though, voter fraud on election day might be the least of everyone's worries: the real fraud could be a result of absentee ballotts.
Check out a video after the break of former Democratic Rep. Artur Davis of Alabama explaining how he believes voter fraud is actually accomplished, and let us know your thoughts on how to fix the problem in the comments.
Davis insists that anti-fraud measures actually need to be instated to protect minorities from corrupt political bosses running Democratic Party machines in the South.
Click here for video. As explained to the Daily Caller:
“What I have seen in my state, in my region, is the the most aggressive practitioners of voter-fraud are local machines who are tied lock, stock and barrel to the special interests in their communities — the landfills, the casino operators — and they’re cooking the [ballot] boxes on election day, they’re manufacturing absentee ballots, they’re voting [in the names of] people named Donald Duck, because they want to control politics and thwart progress,” he told TheDC.
How do you think voter fraud should be fixed?
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You need ID to board a plane.
Submitted by c5then on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:03am.
You need ID to get any type of government service.
There is no logical reason why you shouldn't have to show ID to vote and why you should not have to write your ID number on an absentee ballot for it to be official.
Anyone against voter ID laws is in favor of voter fraud and wants to make it easier to committ voter fraud.
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
Voter I.D. is just one step in the right direction.
Submitted by johnsonl on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:04am.
Absentee voting is rife with fraud and dems are terrified that their best chance of winning elections will be taken away.
I have to rant
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:28am.
I saw John McCain this a.m. blathering on about the SuperFail.
This asshat was whining, as usual, and said something to the effect of "we need to come up with a new Contract With America like we had during the Clinton Administration".
What is his problem? He can't give credit where credit is due...rather he'd pass it off to Bill Clinton than rightly credit Newt Gingrich who is now in the spotlight instead of Senator War Hero McRino?
Maybe it's just me, but I thought that was one of the most petty displays of McCain's little man syndrome I've ever seen.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
I wonder how many Dims would
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:40am.
I wonder how many Dims would not be in office today if all voters needed to provide identification? I know of at least one, Al Franken.
Can anyone come up with others?
Our beloved governor
Submitted by kata on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 1:22pm.
Ms Gregoire. *gag* Less than a 100 vote spread between her and Dino Rossi in the last election.
Lizard people
Submitted by Fredy on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 3:12pm.
When they counted the 'Lizard People' voter as a Franken vote it was clear to me that Minnesota no longer has an honest election process.
Follow the math!!
Submitted by ROSSMAN on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:57am.
If you are stopped for a traffic violation, and don't have a liscense, you are arrested. If you go to the polls, and don't have the proper ID you are refused. If you are not registured, you also can't vote!!!
Voter ID's will never pass...
Submitted by MightyMouth on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 12:00pm.
... the reason is there are not enough Republicans with the huevos to stand up against the cries of 'racism' from the media.
it IS an uphill battle
Submitted by wizardjr on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 12:09pm.
Here in the Peoples Republic of Minnesota it looks like it may finally get passed. The dipstick governor is going to veto it so that it will get put back past this upcoming election to give the Dhimmeroids one last shot regaining the legislature via vote fraud.
strict ID for ANY voting
Submitted by wizardjr on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 12:01pm.
All these students that vote absentee and then locally in their college district need to go to jail for starters. Then, the states all require ID for picking up an absentee ballot. Those ID's will have to be validated against things like real estate tax rolls (addresses of valid housing). Random validation of absentees required to nab the fakers.
Active military can be validated by their commanding officers who will put their ID's on the validation. Random checks to be made to insure no one fakes soldiers' ballots. AND... all military ballots to be in the field a month before the vote and FLOWN back to the US via military priority cargo to a US mail facility for the postmark required by many states.
That's a start anyway.
I can hear the Dem “talking points” already…
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 12:07pm.
A thoughtful, but long, address by prominent Democrat “Mr. Everyman:”
“My friends, thank you for being here today to stand in solidarity with our progressive cause against the evil Republicans. It was not too long ago in our history when people of color, Native Americans, Asians, or those with foreign sounding names were not allowed to participate in the honorable tradition of voting.
“Now the Republican’s want to return us to those days when Chinese workers building the great railroads of the west were denied the right to vote… The dirt poor tenant farmers of the south, freed from slavery were not allowed to vote… The Greek, Italian, or Irish immigrants who came seeking a better life and all those coming or born here with the goal of building a great nation were denied the Right to vote.
“The Republicans want to keep us down, to deny the basic voting rights to entire swaths of people based on their skin color, age, or place of origin…. But it is easy to stand here and site the racist tendencies of the conservative mind-set… A manner of thinking that many of us progressive just do not understand! So allow me to put our noble goal into personal terms to make it more understandable.
“In the small farming community of ‘Progress’ where I grew up, there is a beloved lady that the people refer to as ‘Auntie Agnes.’ She is a wonderful influence and I can remember as a child how she would prepare gift baskets filled with naturally grown, healthy, non processed foods, low in sodium and containing no artificial colors or flavorings… she would deliver these baskets to the less fortunate… those repressed by an uncaring pro-business and greedy society, At ‘Holiday-time’ she would always make sure the poor unfortunate children of the community received a toy from her fathers ‘Toy factory’ which employed half the town before the evil ‘Wall Street policies’ shut it down.
“Time has not been kind to ‘Auntie Agnes,’ age has taken a toll on her fragile body - racked with rheumatism and arthritis, blindness, and a broken hip she can no longer drive to the voting booth… Her hair has turned completely white… Her house was sold off to pay some debts, her estate divided among relatives who now live in suburbia and gated communities because of her spirit of giving. Dear ‘Auntie Agnes’ suffered the cruelest punishment of all… she died last year.
“Yet, despite all the love and compassion she showed to her community over the course of her all too brief 118 years… the Conservatives would deny her the right to vote! They say, “She is dead and no longer eligible to vote!” - Well those Republicans and Conservatives forget about her eternal spirit… a spirit that voted Democrat in every election since women got the right to vote at all!
“Yes my friends, this ‘Voter ID’ scheme is just another way to uplift the rich at the expense of the poor… and there is no doubt that ‘Auntie Agnes’ would, if she were not so conspicuously and cruelly denied her right to vote… be voting Democrat in the next election!”
Hey, it's an "Open-Thread" - I'm allowed to mock liberals!
- Grump :o)
Photo ID's-to cash a check-to use a credit card-
Submitted by JIMMY1660 on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 12:14pm.
to get on a plane or a train.
WHY NOT USE FOR VOTING.
STOP ALL THESE EXCUSES.
NOT RACISM-
So - are they calling Jimmy Carter Racist? Support photo ID law
Submitted by Gary Hall on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 12:58pm.
The 2005 Carter - Baker Commission (election reform) offered up many recommendations for election reform.
There were only 3 dissenting members amongst the 20 "blue-ribbon" commission members, i.e., 85% agreed with the recommendations.
Polls have long clearly indicated that a super majority of Americans support photo voter ID laws. For example, in
According to the Washington Times article, linked above, a national poll found that 83% supported a photo voter ID being a requirement to vote.
Most polling that I have seen show the same sort of results. 83% - 85%.
Of course, the radical left and the national MSM (one in the same), as usual, find themselves locked up in the 15% -17%, who don't agree.
Big surprise.
They disagree with Jimmy Carter on his abortion views (he's rather anti-abortion), as well, but two consistent patterns arise here with the media: 1.) They don't bring up Jimmy Carter's views during any discussion (article) on abortion or a photo voter ID because to do so would hurt their agenda, and 2.) they don't call their own, Jimmy Carter in this case, names; for instance, racist.
(;~/ gary
The Demoncrats have been
Submitted by Saint Zero on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 1:17pm.
The Demoncrats have been doing the pre-filled absentee voting ballot thing here for years. It's one reason why they tightened up on the requirements to get one.
Maybe not here
Submitted by deadeyedan on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 2:44pm.
In Chicago there is the problem of its most famous precinct - the Rosehill precinct.
Rosehill Cemetery, that is.
LIBERALISM - government of the people by the people and for the ideologists
California's mail-in disaster
Submitted by Fredy on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 3:08pm.
In California the majority of ballots are mailed in. There are no actual controls on the distribution of mail-in ballots, and there are no actual repercussions for fraudulently sending them in for counting. It is an absurd mess that allows who-ever registers the most names, and there are no actual controls on who can register, to control the outcome of any close election.
California needs to replace the entire voting process.
Leave us alone, DC!
Submitted by jon_torlin on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 3:44pm.
For God's sake, these things have been around long before this bogus potus and his ilk have shown up.
And yet they've pretty much become the food police in many ways, especially lately.
DHS warns of Turkey Fryers
With the success rate of the DHS(Hah!), you'd think they got better things to "warn" us about, and I'm pretty sure a turkey fryer doesn't qualify as a threat to the nation. Hell, the DHS is the second biggest threat to this nation, what's the first? The bogus potus! If anyone's a bunch of turkeys, THEY are!
Gotta read the comments, they are great.
Leave us the hell alone, you bastards!
-Jon
PS: Fried turkey is actually healthy! Take that, you commie food police!
After November 2012
Submitted by c5then on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 4:15pm.
I think it is time to re-eveluate whether or not a new 3rd party is needed in this country.
The current Republican "leadership" seem to be completely inept and constantly getting out maneuvered into taking the blame for the Democrat's plan. They got out maneuvered into taking the blame for not raising the debt ceiling. They got out smarted and tricked into the "Super Committee". It's just embarrasing. They really couldn't come to an agreement on saving $120 billion a year out of the current "budget"??!!! Not only is it a piddling amount, the fact that they couldn't figure out something means that at least one side came into the negotiations intending to fail. What a surprize! They were told this was the plan at the beggining. the GOP always seem to be surprized when the media don't give them a fair shake. IDIOTS.
I will vote for whomever is chosen as the GOP nominee this year to make sure that Obama and his socialist minions are ousted from power. But I will also say that it is time that a real conservative/libertarian viewpoint be represented by a new party and leave the GOP to the populists and moderate liberals that have infiltrated it. There are simply too many "Republicans" who are happy with slowing the growth of government instead of keeping it as small as possible. Like the proposal to "limit" the government's budget to 18% of GDP. There is no reason why a government that can function on $2.5 trillion in revenue for a country producing a GDP of $14 trillion neeeds to increase it's revenue to $3.5 trillion should the country's GDP grow to $20 trillion a few years later. This is a plan put forward not by a conservative, but by a progressive.
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
Maybe, but it won't happen
Submitted by jon_torlin on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 4:31pm.
And here's why: There are a LOT of stupid people in this country. Look how many it took to vote in a Manchurian Candidate. What makes you think the American people have learned their lesson on this? If we make it to the elections, God help us, I hope we get rid of DuhOne and make him DuhLastOne of people like him ever elected.(before some of you get your knickers in a bunch, I'm talking about him being a Commie and a Muslim all rolled up in one, it's nothing to do with his race, which is 50% white, 44% Arabian and a tiny 6% African Negro, so if you try to use the race card, roll that card up and smoke it...or stick it, I don't care.)
2010, people STILL haven't learned their lesson or the Senate would be in GOP's hands. But then again this country was betrayed by Boehner who apparently doesn't have the balls or even the empty sack to pretend he's got balls to do the right things, he just gave up. And the country spirals downward at terminal velocity.
Yeah, I'm deeply pessimistic about the whole thing, but I'm sorry, as a whole country, I have next to no faith in the American people to do the right thing, even after it's all been said and done. It only happens once and that was Reagan.
-Jon
Pelosi and the Catholic "conscience thing"
Submitted by motherbelt on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 4:27pm.
The Anchoress has nailed the monumental hypocrisy of "devout Catholic" Nancy Pelosi:
This obnoxious woman is never going to get off the stage; she’s going to be with us for another decade, at least, spouting this kind of brainless, willfully obtuse stuff:
“I’m a devout Catholic and I honor my faith and love it . . . but they have this conscience thing [that puts women at risk.]’’
And thank God for it, says I. This “conscience thing” is one of the last centering poles still propping up the once-understood notion that people are more than automatons with utilitarian lives. It is the last thing requiring people to stop and pause before they do what seems sensible in the short term or of a moment. This “conscience thing” is something the government cannot get its grubby hands on, as much as it would like to. This “conscience thing” is complex and nuanced; it has depth and beauty and — in the divine schematic — unfailing sense.
Mrs. Pelosi is content to reduce all of that into this superficial mischaracterization: “[Catholic health services say] I’m sorry, you could die [but we won't give you an abortion.]”
(All bolds mine)
Thanks for that, MB
Submitted by ant on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 4:40pm.
Nasty Pelosi always reveals more than I think she means to whenever she speaks. Many of us were already pretty sure most of the Dem lawmakers had no conscience. But such is the result of constantly doing the wrong thing, eventually the conscience will fade to less than a murmur. If I'm not mistaken, the Bible speaks of this frequently, the sort of "being handed over" thing.
I mentioned this on another thread. If this is true, it is another case of Christian beliefs being kicked to the " just get over it" second-class citizen hole. A violation of the restrictions on Christians concerning eating food offered up to other gods;
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/11/happy_halal_thanksgiving.html
Election Night Funny
Submitted by stratman on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 4:40pm.
I have had to show ID for some time now in Ohio and have never witnessed or heard of a valid problem doing so. You can even vote provisionally if you don't have ID at the time, IIRC. There were no screams of disenfranchisement from the media this election cycle. Guess the Left figured it was a losing battle for now.
But, in this last election, the process of handling the ballots changed. This time, no official touched your ballot. The voter had to tear off the stub and place it into an envelope and then feed each ballot sheet (printer in dual English and Spanish for the first time) into the optical reader machine. I asked the officials why they could no longer handle the filled out ballots: "It's Cuyahoga County."
That may be the most honest thing I've heard from an election official in a long time.
no-I.D. no vote
Submitted by foolnomore on Tue, 11/22/2011 - 7:06pm.
that's a problem that will always be there,, the dem's use this all the time.