Open Thread: Is Primary Race Making Romney More Conservative?
With a number of GOP presidential contenders hitting snags on the campaign trail, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney is being pushed to take more conservative positions than his once more moderate ideas. After having been attacked repeatedly from the right for Romneycare, Romney might be shifting to a more conservative stance on healthcare.
Will taking more conservative views help Romney? Let us know your thoughts in the comments.
In an op-ed in USA Today, Romney explained:
Reforms should not affect current seniors or those near retirement, and tax hikes should be off the table....
Tomorrow's Medicare should give beneficiaries a generous defined contribution and allow them to choose between private plans and traditional Medicare. And lower-income future retirees should receive the most assistance. I believe that competition will improve Medicare and the coverage that seniors receive.
What Romney writes echoes many ideas of Paul Ryan's healthcare plan, which was too conservative for Tim Pawlenty to endorse, and also ideas of a plan released by the Bipartisan Policy Center.
Do you think Romney is genuinely shifting to more conservative ideas? Will it help his campaign?
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Just another Kerry, only with a "R" after his name...
Submitted by vrwc13 on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 11:57am.
John Kerry "I was for the Iraq war before I was against it"
Just replace Kerry with Romney, and Iraq war with abortion, healthcare, etc
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
Chicken
Submitted by Caringwhiteguy on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 12:08pm.
I bet he's for "a chicken in every pot, and a car in every garage" too.
People need to judge Mr. Romney and every other politician not by what he says, but what he does.
Romney will flip-flop on any
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 12:14pm.
Romney will flip-flop on any position that will let him win. If he does get the GOP nod to run against President Downgrade (which I hope he does not) I will hold my nose and pull the lever for him.
We as a country cannot afford another 4 years of Odumbo.
Also, we have to make sure that in the 2012 elections that we show as many DemocRATic congress critters and Senators the door. They have done to much damage to this country to be allowed to continue in office.
i've already decided that
Submitted by ricklail on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 12:39pm.
I've already decided that I'll vote for anybody but Obama or Huntsman. We won't last another 4 years under the Ice Cream Emperor.
Exactly Scoobs
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 12:37pm.
There was an article on Weasel Zippers yesterday (tried to link but their server is down)....where Romney was quoted as saying "I am as X as a human being can be". (I forget the X).
And my comment was to the effect he is a space alien, and a shape shifter. He is what he wants people to see to view him in the most favorable light.
Truly, I'd trust Newt to stick to his newly rediscovered conservativism after those unfortunate slips (Global Warming, Attacking Ryan, etc.) than I'd ever trust Willard to stick to a position for more than 5 minutes. He flip-flops more than John F'ing.
Romney IS a shape shifter.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Got to be something in the
Submitted by ricklail on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 12:52pm.
Got to be something in the water in Taxachuetts that causes flip floping. Look at Scott Brown. He is no different than Roomney or John "I served in Vietnam" Kerry. Then again they could have been drinking Ted "Lying of the Senate" Kennedy's pee.
Is there an expiration date
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 12:56pm.
Is there an expiration date on your tagline B? :-)
Mitt and John F'ing can be considered twins sons of different mothers. Can't trust either of them.
Scoob
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 12:56pm.
She lost a bet with Dave. Gotta hand it to her, she pays up, no matter how painful. :)
Tomorrow, Thank Obama!!!
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 1:01pm.
(that's in keeping with the theme of the bet, a la "OMO!")
Not sure what time, though. Actually, Dave being the gentleman he is posted "you can give it up" yesterday or the day before, but I never welch on a bet.
I'm sure Jer is going to pester me to make a bet on the Vandy game. Do I dare bet on that one?
Also, my Allen West tag was getting a tad old. I'm not sure what to go for next....I wish we could have pictures for sigs, alas.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
You know you could always use
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 1:09pm.
You know you could always use Obama gaffes for your tagline. To bad you cannot install a link on the tagline to go back to your Forum. Or can you? Hmmmmmmm
Hey NB Admins!!!!!!! Can we have a link on our taglines please?!?!?!
if you just go to your forum
Submitted by TruthMonger on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 1:47pm.
if you just go to your forum and copy the url from the top navigation bar you should be able to paste it into your tag box and it should work...
Congratulations Jimmy Carter!
Scoob, I wish J would change it back
Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 5:25pm.
LOL - She's really making me feel bad. ;-)
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Scube, One can have a red tagline...
Submitted by upcountrywater on Sat, 11/05/2011 - 11:31am.
Use the rich text editor to get your links to turn red. Do all that work in this comment section.
Then switch it to a plain text editor cut n' paste all that <..>code<... />< stuff into your comment in your tag line.
It's easy with 2 windows open.
You Didn't Build That.
X = consistent
Submitted by almostacowboy on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 1:30pm.
.
It was
Submitted by KornKing on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 2:06pm.
X=Consistent
romney is probably the most
Submitted by TruthMonger on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 1:56pm.
romney is probably the most likely nominee as Cain is not polished enough or experienced enough to get by the msm election gauntlet - and he probably unnerves the rnc too much for fear of an easy lose to obama - they will fight it with their conserable power - this is how rino McCain got the nomination
Congratulations Jimmy Carter!
this is how rino McCain got the nomination
Submitted by vrwc13 on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 5:27pm.
'...this is how rino McCain got the nomination' exactly
And now we end up with McRomney/ORomney/JohnKerryRomney?
...no thanks.
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
Romney would have to offer up
Submitted by TerryWest on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 1:11pm.
Romney would have to offer up more then a stance, the problem he has is many dont trust him.
I dont think you can over come that with more talk and another shift or Obama's approval numbers would be up.
Americans have tuned out talk from those they dont trust, something more solid is required.
Action, not talk
Submitted by ruby2ssday on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 1:18pm.
It is making him talk more conservatively, but he will not change his heart. That is why we get elected reps who talk one way and act another.
Romney is a Republican
Submitted by Fredy on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 1:27pm.
Romney is not a conservative. No one that supports socialized medicine can be a conservative. In the end, it is really that simple.
If things get tough, would President Romney refuse to sign a budget that funds Obamacare? The answer is no. Romney would be explaining how he did all he could do to eliminate it and then explain how he would be the one to take the reins and make it work.
Stop shoving Romney up our orifices...
Submitted by humanzee on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 1:38pm.
Please stop it. Romney is not conservative. No one is buying it.
He is the single most repulsive candidate a conservative could ask for. The GOP should run him so I can vote for a third party challenger.
I'd rather see Obama win than see Romney finish Obama's job under the guise of him being a conservative or Republican.
GOP nominates this guy... watch the GOP crash and burn. Who would make a good conservative third party challenger?
Nobody
Submitted by ckc1227 on Sat, 11/05/2011 - 1:29am.
"Who would make a good conservative third party challenger?"
A third party candidate is pretty much guaranteed to lose, so write in whoever you want.
As for Romney, no, he isn't becoming more conservative. He's just doing what he does best.
Romney and Clinton
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 1:42pm.
Politically, Romney reminds me of Clinton. I think if America can elect a conservative House, and a slightly conservative Senate, and Romney as President, then Romney would do what is right for America. If he was President when libs were in charge, then he would shift towards the left.
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
That
Submitted by KornKing on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 2:08pm.
Pretty well sums it up-
You're forgetting something crucial here
Submitted by lsudolemite on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 6:15pm.
Clinton had the media so deep in his corner they still haven't crawled out of it. They will attack Romney relentlessly if he takes conservative stances on any issue. And then the push polling will start. And then Romney will sprint leftward at breakneck speed. Along with a good chunk of both houses if Boehner, Cantor, and McConnell are still in leadership positions.
ROLL TIDE ROLL
Submitted by ricklail on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 2:11pm.
I know this ain't the sports thread but i had to say it. After all the hype this week i really thing that Bama is going to beat the snot out of LSU. Sorry Gary. This thing will be a big let down like the time Horerando did the special on Al Capone's vault.
OH HELL NO!!!!!
Submitted by lsudolemite on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 6:17pm.
Roll Tide Roll, around the bowl and down the hole.
Beat the snot out of us? Keep dreaming, pal.
option 3?
Submitted by vrwc13 on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 5:31pm.
If you are not happy with ORomney or Raising Cain, then how about this?
Could we 'knock the P P' out of obama?
v
Perry Palin 2102
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne
ROLL TIDE!!!!!!!
Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 5:27pm.
Yeah, I know it's only Friday, but I thought I'd start warming up anyway.
This is going to be the biggest college regular season game of the year.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
DEAD ELEPHANT WALKING
Submitted by lsudolemite on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 6:18pm.
I really didn't have you two figured for Gump supporters.
But I'll take the bait.
Sorry Dave & Rick
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 6:32pm.
I'm with the Cajun & the Kid.
If for no other reason than Les Miles is so much more entertaining than Saban (and he did screw the Olphins).
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Cajun is sad*
Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 6:41pm.
When LSU tarir's the tide, It will cost cajun some friends. ;-(
Tarir: cajun speak for a task of "drying up the pond or source of water"...;-)
Fret not, c2
Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 7:19pm.
You ain't gonna lose any NB friends over this game regardless.
Now, if this was Bama vs Auburn, well, I know a couple of divorce attorneys that made a killing off the Iron Bowl. ;-)
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
A helpful analogy
Submitted by lsudolemite on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 6:52pm.
If you're a Rocky fan (and who isn't?), here it goes:
Everyone, fans and sports media alike, think Saban/Bama is Ivan Drago: menacing and invincible.
LSU is Rocky.
And Les is the trainer screaming: "You cut him! You see, he's NOT a machine! He's a man!"
LOL J, You're just sore because Bama took your Gators to school
Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 7:17pm.
:-^)
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Um...the LSU Tigers did the same the following week
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 8:13pm.
Gators were an equal opportunity whipping post.
I prefer the purple to the red.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
ROLL TIDE ROLL!
Submitted by Rukus on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 6:39pm.
Rammer Jammer, Yellowhammer, give 'em hell, Alabama!
ROLL! TIDE!
GEAUX TIGERS!!!!
Submitted by lsudolemite on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 6:45pm.
GEAUX TIGERS!!!!
Goos evening Rukus
Submitted by cocodrie on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 6:54pm.
Can't go along with you there but Bear was the greatest.
Laisser les bon temps roullez.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
THIS is the way to start the weekend right!
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 6:43pm.
I'm over the Cain smears....disgusting.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
"I'm over the Cain smears"
Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 7:07pm.
Ditto that, as I don't believe Herman did anything wrong.
Not even a little bit wrong.
ROLL TIDE!
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
It's all rumor an innuendo
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 7:16pm.
Not ONE concrete fact.
Companies pay off crappy employees all the time. Who's to say that whoever these two were, that they weren't problems to OTHERS in management as well? IOW, slackers who use what they can to hold on to what they have, or to try to get a little bit further?
The fact that the one has her lawyer out there making more non-specific noise is really rather telling. If it were something that was provable, she'd have her face in front of the media. But her story isn't good enough to hold up if she tells it herself, hence the beard.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Opening a bottle of adult beverage in your honor, Blonde!
Submitted by drsamherman on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 7:56pm.
I leave for Las Vegas on Sunday for another medical meeting. Crunch time to get that continuing medical education!
Huzzah! Sam...
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 8:15pm.
Have a lovely trip.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Right, Doc Sam
Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 8:28pm.
LOL - Yep, studying the behavior patterns of the statistically and mathematically-challenged casino-goers must be a real challenge.
But hey, somebody has to do it. ;-)
Have a great trip.
And should you perchance run into Harry Reid, be sure and tell 'im Dave said break a leg.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Won't happen.
Submitted by NevadanConservative on Sat, 11/05/2011 - 1:02pm.
Searchlight Harry won't be found in his home state unless he needs more money or re-electing. I live here, I KNOW. Age and declining health will sooner sanitize the seat he's desecrated for three decades than anything legitimate voters out here can do.
A grim and unfortunately accurate observation.
NVCon
That's it blonde*
Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 8:59pm.
Whatever happens this weekend, at least you got rid of that awful tagline...;-)
Only one way to become credible
Submitted by gopcongress on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 5:56pm.
There is only path to become credible.
The path starts by acknowledging your mistakes, or your policies in which you promoted, then legislated or executed liberal policies such as Romneycare and other items. He would have to own up to his positions, explaining why he did it. Next, he would have to convince me he would NOT do the same thing as president, and present to me a SPECIFIC path on how he would reverse such policies that are commited on a federal level (in this case, ObamaCare) along with working with a Congress. Triangulating with a moderate GOP or Democrat senate would not be considered a valid path in my opinion, and such an answer would not satisfy me.
Frankly, it would be very difficult for a once-moderate politician to lead in a conservative manner. Bush comes to mind; his big gornment solutions to the original bailouts were definitely deal breakers for me. Romney would have to enunciate extremely clearly on his positions, then be held accountable for them in office. I am ten times more likely to trust someone like Cain than Romney or even Perry for instance. But the path for conservative credibility is a very hard one to overcome if one cannot articulate conservative principles.
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Video to watch
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Fri, 11/04/2011 - 9:38pm.
See Ken Langone, Joe Kiernan and Michelle Caruso-Cabrera school Andrew Ross Sorkin
This idiot keeps trying to bring up income inequality and they keep smacking him down. So much fun to watch.
Its all part of his
Submitted by pfwag on Sun, 11/06/2011 - 12:33pm.
Its all part of his progression to godhood.
...and most people don't have a clue what you mean.
Submitted by vrwc13 on Mon, 11/07/2011 - 9:59am.
v
The burden of life is from ourselves, its lightness from the grace of Christ and the love of God. - William Bernard Ullanthorne