Open Thread: Will Tea Parties Be Reimbursed?
Nationwide, Tea Party groups are upset by the double standard applied to their rallies and Occupy Wall Street protests. While Tea Party groups typically are required to pay a fee to use a park for a one-day rally, OWS protestors have set up camp in the same parks for days at no cost.
One Tea Partier, Colleen Owens of Richmond, VA, is taking action, demanding that the Richmond City Council refund the $10,000 that the Richmond Tea Party was charged for their Kanawha Plaza rallies, the same venue Occupy Richmond protestors have been using at no charge.
Owens is not the only Tea Partier demanding fairer treatment. Do you think any of the Tea Parties will be successful in having their money reimbursed? Let us know your thoughts in the comments.
Owens, along with others, believe that the OWS protestors are getting a free pass to break the law and not pay permit fees. According to FOX News Radio's Todd Starnes, Tea Party activists are growing increasingly frustrated with the situation:
“We’ve had to pay for the police, the sanitation, we had to pay for emergency personnel, and we event had to buy a $1 million liability policy,” Owens told Fox News. [...]
“We’re trying to show this is unfair and biased treatment by the mayor and the city council,” she said. “Either force the occupiers to follow the law that’s on the books or evict them.” [...]
“If they are not going to apply the law equally, then they should refund our money,” she said. “They’ve been camped out there for almost two weeks and they have not paid one dime. They are not being held accountable to follow the law, yet we were expected to follow the law.”
Owens is joined by Tea Party leaders across the country who have experienced similar frustrations. In Nashville, the Tea Party was refused access to hold a rally at Legislative Plaza, the same place where Occupy Nashville has been camping for three weeks, apparently without securing a permit. In Louisville, Tea Party organizer Wendy Caswell explained that Occupy Louisville protestors could camp in Jefferson Park until the end of the year for a $25 fee, while a permit for a one-day Tea Party rally at the same park cost $75, on top of insurance, security, and medical personnel.
Do you think Tea Party organizers will have any success in securing reimbursements? Will cities begin cracking down on OWS protests without proper permits? Or do you think OWS protests will continue getting a free pass?
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OWS is about 'fairness'?
Submitted by MidAmerica on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:16pm.
Cities are cash strapped. The OWS are a drain and a distraction to them but because they have the blessings of the media and the Whitehouse taking action to remove them is held back. However the threat of legal costs incurred from Tea Partiers lawsuits may prompt the cities to close out the squatter camps.
Taxpayer $$$$$$$
Submitted by Jay.79 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 3:08pm.
The Cities will deal with the costs. There will be some proclamations, but as you likely know
"They can always borrow more".
There's certainly a political
Submitted by rbosque on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:26pm.
There's certainly a political reason why they don't charge the left-wing misfits. I'll be surprised if those miscreants ever do pay.
OWS goes green
Submitted by kata on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:29pm.
Gas generators removed from Zuccotti Park
Solar generators will not work on site due to the low levels of sunshine.
Snow and rain expected
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:33pm.
Snow and rain expected tomorrow at Zuccotti Park, 1 - 3 inches of the white stuff expected. Let's see how many are left come Sunday. BWWAAAAAHHAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAAA
the only option now is
Submitted by kata on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:37pm.
a bicycle style generator. Which means someone is going to have to ride it. I wonder how the redistribution of energy is going to go. Will there be energy freeloaders?
It's already happened, kata
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 1:17pm.
Zombie took some photos out at OWS~Oakland.
Pop this link & search on anything in the following string to go straight to the pic I'm talking about: In a hilarious vignette that illustrates in miniature the absurd unfeasibility of the whole "green energy" scam, the Occupiers had set up a bicycle connected to a dynamo so that the computer in the media center would be powered by renewable and sustainable energy! Yeah!
That pic, and the one below it, are just bloody perfect for this bunch of nitwits.
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Incredible.
Submitted by jon_torlin on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 2:17pm.
As in NO credibility at all with these idiots. This and the rest of it is a perfect example of why these people should not be taken seriously and in fact, they should be rounded up and hosed off and thrown into the pen....or penitentiary(for those of you in Rio Linda, that's a fancy word for jail). I said pen as a separate word because I thought of "pig pen" after seeing those pics.
This should be required viewing.
-Jon
Blonde, check PM (2)
Submitted by Newsbubba on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 3:18pm.
!
Good morning Scoob
Submitted by cocodrie on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:38pm.
It's raining down here right now so I put my big fan outside to blow it up north. We need to send some soap up there too.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
To Catch a Journalist
Submitted by mrt721 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:32pm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBFOmUXR080
Things I have learned by listening to NBC, CBS, etc
Submitted by ThisnThat on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:41pm.
Have I got it about right?
__________
“Didn't win the Medal of Honor? Didn't even serve? Then lie about it. We'll support you." — 9th Circuit Court
Yep
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 1:20pm.
....except you forgot that the OWS sites are populated by unicorns and rivers of chocolate (um, outdoor toilets to us mean conservies)....see the link in my reply to kata, above, for pics.
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The Atlanta TEA Party is threatening to sue...
Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:50pm.
...comrade Mayor Obama, Jr. Reed and the City of Atlanta if they are required to jump through any hoops that the commie protesters were not required to jump through.
I think it's an excellent idea, as I am all for suing commies early and often.
Maybe when enough lefty local governments have been sued successfully they will cease their obvious favoritism.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Reenergize the Tea Party
Submitted by HardRightTurn on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:55pm.
The OWS movement backlash will be to reenergize the Tea Party movement. It is time to take back local government. All of it. From the school boards to the mayors' offices. Just do it.
To more fully comprehend the Left, one must read “Leftism As Psychopathy” by John Ray, M.A., Ph.D. Caution, it might scare you a little bit.
http://jonjayray.tripod.com/psycho.html
Great news
Submitted by ricklail on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 1:00pm.
Most of you know that I am no fan of DOOK. Wednesday my 3 year old grandson under went 10 hours of surgery to remove a kidney and repair his bladder at DOOK's Childrens Hospital He got to leave the hospital today. They have to spend the night in Durham in case any thing goes wrong. If all is well he can go home tomorrow. I still don't like DOOK but I think his surgeon was great. By the way his surgeon was a grad of Tulane. DOOK Hospital is OK in my book. And the best thing about the whole experience; I didn't get into any fights with any DOOK fans. And one of his nurses was grad of UNC School of Nursing
Best wishes for his speedy recovery, Rick.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 1:00pm.
That's gotta be a real nail biter.
Rick
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 1:22pm.
Proud of you for keeping your eye on the ball....best wishes for a speedy recovery for the little guy. Sounds like he needs a new Heels outfit to cheer him up (just sent mine a new Gator hoodie).
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Blonde and Dave
Submitted by ricklail on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 2:26pm.
I am going to use the Rush method to pick the Gator-Dawgs winner. Gators are sort of extinct. You have to have permits to hunt them. Dawgs are everywhere. A dog could not eat a gator but a gator come make a meal of a dog. Using the logic of the environmental wackos I pick the Gators
Heels are going to wear these uniforms when they play Michigan State on the deck of the USS Carl Vinson. Looks like several million in new merchandising. By the Way Heels picked pre-seaons #1 in B-ball. Last time that happened they won it all!!!!
We shall See
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 2:53pm.
CBS, again!
Ugh.
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My son in law is a big Notre
Submitted by ricklail on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 4:14pm.
My son in law is a big Notre Dame fan so he has to wear their gear.
rick,
Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 6:03pm.
LOL - The Gators don't have a QB and their D has apparently gone AWOL.
Ya gotta like the Dawg's chances. :-D
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
rick,
Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 5:59pm.
Hope the little guy is going to be okay.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
He is going to be ok. I
Submitted by ricklail on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 6:08pm.
He is going to be ok. I couldn't believe he bounced back that quick. He has been like that all his life, He down stay down long.
Can you believe VA beating the scUM last night after what they did to the Yellow Britches. You have 2 big games this weekend. Enjoy.
In my prayers
Submitted by Hermano on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 9:39pm.
Rick - the lad is in my prayers, but your Heels are not, especially tomorrow when my Deacons come to town.
Hermano is Saving the Environment - One Ribeye at a Time! h/t Dr_Liberty
The Tea Party Reimbursed???
Submitted by wingnut55 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 1:01pm.
Are you kidding? The government give back money? Once they get your money you never see it again. The only way The Tea Party could get money back is if they were a recognized minority. They need to sue the pants off these people, oh wait a minute, they already don't have any pants on. LOL
Good luck with that
Submitted by Pizza Dude on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 1:02pm.
Maybe the TP shoulda gone with the civil disobedience angle.
NY
Submitted by Gothampc on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 1:03pm.
It's no coincidence that the NY protestors chose the privately-owned Zuccotti Park.
Look for a Negative Campaign next year
Submitted by ThisnThat on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 1:07pm.
...if o'bama has any chance at all to win re-election.
This doesn't come from me. Instead, this was said at the top of the news hour by Andrea Mitchell's (MSNBC) first guest today.
I guess MSNBC is finally realizing that o'bama has nothing -- absolutely nothing -- positive to sell to America, does he? The only thing left is negative campaigning. And to do that effectively -- he needs money, which explains his constant campaign mode. Again -- explained by MSNBC today.
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“Didn't win the Medal of Honor? Didn't even serve? Then lie about it. We'll support you." — 9th Circuit Court
OWS Co-Founder Speaks to Russian TV
Submitted by kata on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 1:36pm.
"Warns against 'totalitarian nightmare'"
(Alexa D. O'Brien - USDayofRage.org) is being marketed to RTV as the OWS Co-Founder on the OccupySeattle FB page.
In my opinion, the inequality
Submitted by Minarchian on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 2:07pm.
In my opinion, the inequality in treatment between the Fleabaggers and the TEA Party by these cities are a form of content discrimination and against the 1st Amendment, and equal protection.
The TP should find a good lawyer and collect their money back, and then some. Either that or force these cities to enforce the laws equally by demanding these Fleabaggers pay up for the time they've been there and from this time forward.
But, then again, it all depends on finding a judge who actually believes in equal protection and the 1st Amendment.
The other upside is.....
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 2:58pm.
...when a left leaning politician or bureaucrat next thinks about granting a break in the normal fees for a "like minded" cause....he/she will have to stop and think "Oh, wait, I may get sued".
Sauce for the goose and all that. IOW, make them "pay" for their arrogance with a lawsuit and lots of bad publicity (or the potential for such) and the idiot little government drones will abide by the rules.
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States need to look at
Submitted by forest on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 2:58pm.
States need to look at stripping municipalities of the privilege of requiring permits if they are unwilling or unable to enforce their regulations without discriminating. I've read about a number of mayors "waiving" permit requirements for their Jacobin friends. They can't do that.
And going forward I don't see why anyone would submit to permit requirements in municipalities that have abused their authority in this manner. Just ignore them. I hope they enjoy the breakdown of law and order that they have invited.
Reimburse? Yes!
Submitted by JLin on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 2:51pm.
They have no legal right to keep the money based on their biased and discriminatory behavior. I would sue for it if necessary, and demand an apology from the bureaucrats involved..
I take the side of the TEA
Submitted by killa37 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 3:12pm.
I take the side of the TEA Party here, of course ...........but I'm not going to call it the TP, because that seems to be a little too close to something that is NOT being used at the OWS bowel movements. But I do think that if the TEA Party does manage to successfully sue, or otherwise make their case legitimate with regards to the money that they had to pony up for their own rallies, the MSM will somehow, and predictably, paint them as some kind of whiners, or crybabies, or complainers for having to pay to use the public services. After all, we all know that the TEA party is comprised of a bunch of rich white conservatives who can afford it................and the OWS bowel movement is just a bunch of poor, jobless, homeless, disenfranchised common folk who all have the same goal - weath redistribution and social/financial justice.
Are we surprised by this, really???
Submitted by jon_torlin on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 3:26pm.
Arab Spring Optimism gives way to fear of Islamic Rise
If you read this, it would appear that the analysts are surprised by this development even though it was a "fear" or concern at the time.
How many of us predicted that this would happen and that it was the only thing that would happen instead of "democracy?" I mean, really, with the Muslim Bro'Hood involved, was there any other direction this could have gone? For pete's sake, this was easier than shooting fish in a barrel! The biggest clue? DuhOne communicating with the Bro'Hood!
And there's a paragraph that says this:
Worrisome in their own right, these developments also raise difficult questions, in an already contentious political season, about the conduct of President Obama and his national security team: Has the White House done all it could to steer the Arab Spring in the right direction? Have events to date strengthened U.S. security – or left America weakened abroad, with Islamic fundamentalism ascendant?
The answer is real simple, the WH steered it in the Islamic direction. The clue for that? Soetoro's obvious joy about the way it's going over there, he cheered for it, for God's sake. Not Allah, you muslim poser, GOD!
Then there's this:
Some conservatives, however, are inclined to blame the Obama administration for mishandling the Mideast upheaval.
These conservatives need to change that line of thinking, it wasn't MISHANDLING, it was DELIBERATE. Stop being nansy-pansies about the whole thing, Conservatives and Republicans! We have a Muslim in the White House!
This is the kind of thing I and others have mentioned on here time and time again, these things are not the acts of an incompetent.
-Jon
IRS Gone Bad: Are Things About to Get Even Worse?
Submitted by upcountrywater on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 4:11pm.
Clients have been liened without notice to their representatives. Installment plans were canceled without warning or explanation. Reconsideration requests were summarily denied. The word “abuse” in reference to IRS popped up more than once.
Even more worrisome, the turnabout is quite sudden: budget cuts are already being contemplated for as soon as mid-November 2011. With the 2012 tax season just a few months out, I fear the IRS has already been forced to sharpen their knives.
You Didn't Build That.
ucw, Just another reason to pass the FairTax...
Submitted by Dave. on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 7:15pm.
...and rid ourselves once and for all of this hideously tyrannical federal agency.
The IRS has no place in a free country.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
If they arent reimbursed they
Submitted by eaglewingz08 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 4:38pm.
If they arent reimbursed they should bring a first amendment civil lawsuit against each city for disparate conduct based on content of speech involved.
Incestmo has moved to New Hampshire.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 5:52pm.
Yes, I know, we all miss him dearly.
Uh... NB bloggers?
Submitted by bkeyser on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 6:07pm.
That Drudge headline?
Utterly typical, BK
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 6:14pm.
Rush read a transcript of Herman Cain today, being interviewed on FBN....which kind of flies in the face of the typical Democrat meme of Republicans as racists:
RUSH: Just this afternoon on the Fox business channel, Fox Business Network, they talked to Herman Cain. They were on Cain's bus down in Talladega, Alabama; and one of the Fox correspondents, a guy named "Barnes," said, "The last presidential candidate to come to Talladega was former Alabama Governor George Wallace, a segregationist."
CAIN: I remember being on the bus in Atlanta riding as a young teenager where I would see the sign at the front of the bus that said, "Whites seat from front. Colored seat from rear," and I had to sit in the back of the bus because of the greatness of America and the fact that we have this ability to change, that's one of the things that has made us great. And today I don't have to sit in the back of the bus. I own the bus, and my picture is on the outside! That's the greatness of America -- and, I'm running for president of the United States of America! It doesn't get any better than that.
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J-
Submitted by bkeyser on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 6:23pm.
Politico says this woman is black. "Karen’s more than 20 years in national politics includes four presidential campaigns, the Clinton White House, a New York Senate race, and first African American spokeswoman for the Democratic National Committee."
Maybe this is how she skirts what by any measure would have been a crucifixion offense had some Republican said this about Obama in '08.
Her father is black. Her
Submitted by GregE on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 4:49pm.
Her father is black. Her mother is white, and a great great great great niece of Robert E. Lee.
I post this link only for that piece of info....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/karen-finney/virginia-shame_b_529210.html
Drew Carey
Submitted by stratman on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 6:08pm.
Drew Carey does the prudent thing when asked about politics. Maybe he's a lot smarter than he credits himself.
Just want to keep this story alive
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 6:58pm.
For those who haven't heard, former Border Patrol Jesus Diaz agent has been put in prison for cuffing, yes, cuffing an illegal alien with known ties to the drug cartels in Mexico. Glenn Beck interviewed his wife, and that can be seen here.
Another story about it from the Blaze.
Megyn Kelly interviewed the wife as well.
It's good that this story is getting out there. We should be supporting our Border Patrol agents as much as our Police, Sheriffs, and soldiers, especially as the border becomes more and more dangerous.
WE NEED TO HAVE A NATIONAL TEA PARTY DAY in NOVEMBER
Submitted by gopcongress on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 9:17pm.
We need the various Tea Party groups around the country to secure permits for having an event, as we did last year, where current OWS idiots are squatting. In this case, we can then kick out the idiots and have our own party. In addition, we can simultaneously sue the cities who refuse permits because they are letting the idiots have their way.
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Richmond TEA Party
Submitted by GregE on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 10:25pm.
Radio news reports here say the reason Richmond mayor won't make the protesters leave is that he was part of the civil rights movement.
I will not be going to work tomorrow, because the I once the phones to horse level in the hallway during the apple pie tire guard.
Waaaaa Double Standards, naw.
Submitted by Less1leg on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 5:11am.
Its intriging to read about the OWS groups as they waste more time griping about injustice and rights, and all kinds of stuff. Funny, how they talk about "rights" and " freedoms", when they themselves brandish the sword to remove other people's rights and freedoms.
But its staging marches, and protests, and even better "occupying" public property without permits. Then, to tell the Press that they shouldn't be photographing their encampment locations or physical violence may accompany them or have their equipment damaged. Hmmm.
You, Flea Party people are using what? Hmmm. Public property, without permits to be there, put up tenting on public land not zoned for camping. And even make a mess out of the public lands without cleaning up after yourselves. Funny how all this happens huh?
Then the new story. Actual homeless people come to your publicly owned land areas where Flea Party people have put up tents. And you don't offer them the Free Food that your organizers demand the 1%ers divide up their personal wealth to redistribute their incomes and prosperity to all others, as in the other 99%. But some how I'm missing something. Its OK to dip into another person's bank account, take or squat on other people's personal property if vacant, even take food off another person's personal property (farmland). But its not acceptable for the homeless to share the foods of the Flea Party organizers staking ownership over public lands during this OWS deal. Just weird.
It's the LAW!
Submitted by GregE on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 4:38pm.
Richmond, VA city ordinance.....
Sec. 26-390. - Camping, tenting or lying on benches.
It shall be unlawful for any person to camp, tent, encamp or quarter upon any public grounds, parks, playfields, playgrounds or any public property owned or maintained by the city or lie upon any benches located within any such public property.
http://library.municode.com/HTML/16118/level4/PTIICICO_CH26CINEREES_ARTI...