Open Thread: Occupiers Don't Like Redistributing Their Own Wealth
Last week, the New York Post reported on the irony of wealth redistribution at Occupy Wall Street protests. While many of the protestors have gathered to protest the ideas of free markets and capitalism and promote the ideas of wealth redistribution and socialism, when wealth redistribution personally affected them, they were outraged. Protestors were complaining that their expensive computers, phones, and cash donations were being stolen. Now, kitchen staffers are revolting due to the number of freeloaders, primarily homeless people and ex-cons, masquerading as protestors to get free food.
Do you think any of the OWS protestors will realize the flaws of socialism based on their bad experiences with socialist principles at OWS protests? Let us know your thoughts in the comments.
According to the New York Post:
For three days beginning tomorrow, the cooks will serve only brown rice and other spartan grub instead of the usual menu of organic chicken and vegetables, spaghetti bolognese, and roasted beet and sheep’s-milk-cheese salad.
They will also provide directions to local soup kitchens for the vagrants, criminals and other freeloaders who have been descending on Zuccotti Park in increasing numbers every day. [...]
“We need to limit the amount of food we’re putting out” to curb the influx of derelicts, said Rafael Moreno, a kitchen volunteer. [...]
Many of those being fed “are professional homeless people. They know what they’re doing,” said the guard at the food-storage area.
Organizers took other steps to police the squatters, who they said were lured in from other parks with the promise of free meals. [...]
“We’re not going to let some members of this community destroy the whole movement,” a volunteer said.
Will the OWS problems with freeloading and wealth redistribution change any of the OWS protestors' minds on the benefits of capitalism and free markets?
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Ha!
Submitted by dzejk113 on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 10:03am.
So the freeloaders are upset when someone starts freeloading off of them? Typical liberalism, they are only generous with other peoples money. The wealth of only a select few, those that they select, will be redistributed, but never their own.
Who was it that said . . .
Submitted by Galvanic on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:38pm.
. . . A conservative is a liberal who's been mugged.
As many foresaw, the longer that the leaderless OWS drags on without any tangible gains, the more the participants are likely to clash with each other and local law enforcement.
FREE FOOD
Well, duh. Offer free food on the street, and you're going to get freeloaders.
CRIME
Yes, when thousands of naive people are hanging around for weeks, the criminal class is going to move in on them like sharks on a wounded swimmer. Theft, vandalism, even rape. Those who never imagined this happening are too naive to even visit a city. Participants being victimized by other participants is not the image OWS wants to project, but it's the kind of sensational news that the MSM won't ignore indefinitely. Let's see what Bloomberg and Emanuel do.
ANTI-SEMITISM
We know from blogs and previous demonstrations that there are anti-Semites among the Left. It's not most of them, but neither is it just one or two people with signs. They are now more visible, and the OWS'ers will have to distance themselves from them by expelling them from the sites -- and when that happens, watch out.
EXPENSE
Sustaining these demonstrations costs money not only to pay for food, medical care, shelter, etc., but as we've seen in other stories., to pay the professional demonstrators, including homeless people who claim they are getting $10/hour to participate. Since no one knows what the actual demands of OWS are, let alone how they can be satisfied, there's no measurement of progress toward a conclusion. It's an open-ended outdoor party of freeloaders.
WHAT TO DO?
For conservatives: NOTHING. OWS wants confrontation with the Right and with law enforcement as a pretext for violence. In Oakland, OWS has already provoked a small riot, with police responding with tear gas.
The MSM insists that the GOP and the Right cannot ignore OWS, but can't articulate why. Ignoring it and letting the Democratic governments in our major cities and Washington deal with the violence and property destruction is the best trap for the Dems, many of whom have declared their sympathies for OWS but are reluctant to embrace it.
Ha!
Submitted by dzejk113 on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 10:04am.
So the freeloaders are upset when someone starts freeloading off of them? Typical liberalism, they are only generous with other peoples money. The wealth of only a select few, those that they select, will be redistributed, but never their own.
Over-taxing the system
Submitted by pockets64 on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 10:07am.
Amusing that a group dedicated to increased taxation gets an up-front and personal view of what is meant by the term "over-taxing."
Others have suggested non-OWS folks interlope and feast on the OWS resources. But that would be too much like the illegal alien influx over-taxing the US resources.
An honest student could learn a lot by studying this.
Them freeloaders
Submitted by jon_torlin on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 10:08am.
There's only so many times someone can say "gimme that" before there's nothing left to take.
Sounds an awful lot like running out of other people's money when it comes to socialism and communism.
Interesting how the "gimme thats" merge with the "have-nots" and you have to take extreme measures.....if you call withholding food extreme.
-Jon
I believe it was Margarette
Submitted by Dave81 on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:06pm.
I believe it was Margarette Thatcher who said "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."
Their hypocrisy is showing
Submitted by c5then on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 10:14am.
They only want to be on the recieving end, note the forced donating end.
It is EXTREMELY obvious in the video where grade redistribution was suggested on a college campus recently. Those who were all for income redistribution (presumably because they had no income and would be on the recieving end) were horrified about the prospect of having some of their precious GPA taken away and donated to someone who didn't deserve it. After all THEY WORKED HARD FOR THEIR GRADES.
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
They also don't want to give up their
Submitted by bkeyser on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 10:18am.
corporation-developed technology, apparently.
The quotes above strike me as odd, however. It seems "derelicks", "professional homeless people" and "sqatters" are actually part of the 1%. (This deserves a chart...)
The saying, "A conservative
Submitted by celator on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 10:19am.
The saying, "A conservative is a liberal who's been mugged" comes to mind. Maybe this coven of liberals are the conservatives of the future. '+}
You kid of course
Submitted by Edward Lee on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 10:33am.
These experiences, of course, will not change any minds about the benefits of capitalism. There is already a well established template to correct such abuses. They must set up a Peoples Commision to establish a Bureau of Distribution through which goods will be distributed to each according to their needs. This, of course, will lead to a lack on incentive to produce goods and official corruption from the cronies of the Minister of Distribution who will, instead, distribute to each according to how they enrich the cronies and empower the Minister. This will result in purges and eventual totalitarian control of all aspects of life, to include perpetual rationing.
Professional
Submitted by cocodrie on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 10:23am.
Are "professional" homeless better educated than "professional" demonstrators? I know the demonstrators are better paid. The homeless should be demonstrating against the demonstrators. Equal opportunity and all that.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Where's that $500,000 that OWS has collected
Submitted by johnsonl on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 10:25am.
in donations, panhandling and door-to-door? Why aren't those expensive toys being replaced from that fund?
Actually, the OWS are upset
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:06am.
....because they're not being reimbursed out of "the fund" for their losses.
(cue evil laugh).
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Distribution of wealth for thee...
Submitted by ljacone on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 10:44am.
but NOT for me!
Unfortunately, irony is lost on the stupid.
It's not even THEIR food, for crying out loud!
Submitted by motherbelt on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 10:48am.
These morons are complaining about derelicts snatching up their free, donated meals???
It is to laugh.
Nothing is as funny as a liberal gobsmacked with his own dogma!
I guess, like in Animal Farm, some freeloaders are more equal than others.
Great point, motherbelt!
Submitted by Galvanic on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:40pm.
And the Animal Farm analogy is spot on.
What cracks me up is that the kitchen staff
Submitted by johnsonl on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:49pm.
are complaining about working 18 hours a day to prepare and serve donated food to people who "don't deserve" it. Aren't we all equal under socialism? If those very same cooks were working 18 hours a day preparing meals in restaurants, they'd be one of the 1% after a few years!
Naaaah
Submitted by KornKing on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 1:17pm.
They'd be trying to get the NLRB involved
Ah yes.....
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 1:10pm.
MOTUS has an interesting commmentary on the OWS today.
Anyway, here’s the education that the chefs got for free: if you give stuff away, there will be freeloaders: more and more each day. That’s why collectivism breaks down, and with this group apparently quite quickly. So, if the mostly unemployed chefs take advantage of their free education, they’ll all go back and open restaurants of their own where they can charge for their food. Now that they’ve learned they can’t just give the food away for free, they’ve discovered how capitalism works! Because if you give stuff away, all you’ll get are a bunch of free loaders and you’ll never be able to pay your bills. Wow, that’s awesome insight just for the taking.
Gobsmacked by their own dogma, indeed!
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We CAN make it work!
Submitted by DontFeedTheTrolls on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 10:52am.
Socialism would work if we could just keep these freeloaders out!!
Just curious
Submitted by IgnatzJFahrquar on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:00am.
“We need to limit the amount of food we’re putting out” to curb the influx of derelicts, said Rafael Moreno, a kitchen volunteer. [...]
How can they tell who a derelict is from the other rabble?
What? OWS protesters are unhappy!
Submitted by NVRAT on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:20am.
At first they were unhappy with sharing their "High End Electronics" made by those evil corporation with would be thief's, now they are complaining about sharing their "High End Food" grown by those rich farmers with would be Homeless People. I thought that this demonstration was all about the "Haves" giving to the "Have Not`s", am I missing something here? you would think that these people would be very proud of themselves for showing the world how they redistribute their wealth. You know the "99% taking from the 1%". I wish they would make up their minds this is getting confusing. My head hurts, I`m going to my neighbors and drink his booze.
poor squatters.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:06pm.
Professional squatters coming in and messing up all the squatting fun. There oughta be a law.
The real gripe?
Submitted by Galvanic on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:43pm.
Maybe the ideologically-driven volunteers are suddenly realizing that they've been taken advantage of as the learn that many of the participants are earning cash for being there and they aren't.
This is...
Submitted by Dave81 on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:07pm.
This is...oh, how do you say...BWUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
Cass Sunstein was right.
Submitted by almostacowboy on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:10pm.
We should put birth control (sterilants) in their water. After all, it's an idea put forth by a progressive for progessive people, therefore it must be right for progressives. (insert Snidely Whiplash laugh here).
"the flaws of socialism ..."
Submitted by Rackie on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:12pm.
nothing that can't be remedied with jackboots and billyclubs.
Rules for thee, but not for me
Submitted by ruby2ssday on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:24pm.
Socialist have never recognized the failures of their policies. They were always "managed by the wrong people", "not allowed to continue long enough", "tried during the wrong time", etc. And, the rules they profess were always to control/help the "little people", not to be applied to themselves. They all aspire to being that top 1%, but not having to actually work for it.
These protestors have two
Submitted by ThisnThat on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:27pm.
These protestors have two main complaints, the first being "the 1%". Their 2nd main complaint is "lack of jobs". I see Alabama is thinking they might have trouble replacing the illegal immigrants because "Americans can't/won't work in the fields".
Isn't this a great opportunity for the OWS protestors? A. They get to work. B. They won't get rich working in the fields (they don't like the rich, you know). Therefore, C. They wouldn't be in any danger of ever becoming the 1%. I wonder if any of them are going to take Alabama up on its offer of agriculture job training?
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“Didn't win the Medal of Honor? Didn't even serve? Then lie about it. We'll support you." — 9th Circuit Court
Liberal humanity on display
Submitted by CobraMan on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:36pm.
"We’re not going to let some members of this community destroy the whole movement"
by feeding them. What percent do you represent again?
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Why do they want to starve
Submitted by LAM SON 719 on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:50pm.
Why do they want to starve the homeless to death? Why do they look down upon the less unfortunate? Why won't they share? The chickens have come to roost.
It is supposed to drop to
Submitted by ricklail on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:55pm.
It is supposed to drop to around freezing this weekend. I wonder how many will be left sleeping in tents? A report out of London showing a thermal image of the tent city shows most of the tents are empty at night.
Muslims say crosses at (private)Catholic U violate human rights
Submitted by jon_torlin on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 12:59pm.
This may have been brought up before, but it bears repeating. This is just another example of Islam infilatration into this country by means of protesting our laws versus their unConstitutional laws of Sharia which they wish to live by.
Muslims say crosses at Catholic University Violate "Human Rights"
Point one: This is a PRIVATE university, they can do whatever the hell they want.
Point two: It's been noted that if they knew it was going to be a CATHOLIC university, why are they there?
Point three: Calling them stupid for going there does not fit, this isn't about stupidity, it's about taking over little by little. CAIR has a lot to do with this. It's a mistake to allow them to continue.
These Muslims are the ones who claim to be offended, yet to appease them, they demand blatantly unreasonable reactions, unreasonable in the sense that there's no tit-for-tat on their part, it's their way or no way. No compromise on their part. That's Islam.
People are going to realize too late that these people are going to be the ultimate enemy to those not of Islam, it doesn't matter if a Christian or a Bhuddist has no problem with them, Islam will have a problem with Christians and Bhuddists, PERIOD.
Little by little, as Islam is a patient lot, they will take over as much as they can. Right now, if they were to be compared to cancer(which is fine by me), they are in a treatable stage where they can be excised. But it's up to the people to decide to excise or leave it alone. And like cancers, if left alone, it will grow until it becomes terminal.
I'm getting real sick and tired of people trying to appease these barbarians because it's always them getting offended over our own laws, and I'm sorry, there's nothing in the Constitution that says we gotta play nice with them, a group that practices slavery and honor killings among other things.
AMERICA WAKE UP!
-Jon
They don't even understand what it represents.
Submitted by CobraMan on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 1:07pm.
Those idiots don't even understand what the Cross represents. It represents a gross violation of human rights in the past and why we need to stop them!
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Remember not all of them are idiots*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 1:13pm.
Did they learn "corporate theft" from training class?
Maybe the protestors are simply "victims" again of evil 1%...rofl
Nah, cajun.....
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 1:54pm.
only 99% are idiots. It's on all of their signs.
The other 1% are merely confused.
(Edit...oops! I didn't read the upstream posts...)
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And now, the TLC is going to
Submitted by ThisnThat on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 1:15pm.
And now, the TLC is going to present a show that shows how "muslims are simply Americans". I wonder how much TLC is going to show the truth -- or whether this is simply a propaganda piece.
Has TLC highlighted any Christian community?
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“Didn't win the Medal of Honor? Didn't even serve? Then lie about it. We'll support you." — 9th Circuit Court
Since it's about Michigan
Submitted by jon_torlin on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 2:31pm.
I ran across this, so here's this bit of good news. I got a feeling the trustees are seeing the writings on the walls about these guys.
For something so blatantly anti-American(unConstitutional for those of you in Rio Linda), they sure seem awfully concerned about rights.
Michigan Township rejects
As mentioned, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the DOJ votes in favor of them if requested.
And in all seriousness, how do you violate the rights of someone whose background(in this case, Islamic) violates America's laws?
The fact that they won't go back to their own countries that practice Sharia just means they are trying to change this country for the worse, basically wipe it out and replace it with Sharia.
Any judge who helps these people need to be impeached and barred from the bench.
-Jon
I just had a little debate on
Submitted by ant on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 9:32pm.
I just had a little debate on the CNS article about Hillary wanting to expand student visas for Iranians with an, I assume, Iranian. After first accusing all of us of being racist and ignorant, he let it slip that if enough muzzies reside in a State they should be allowed to vote for it to be Sharia compliant. I tried to explain that the Constitution is the law of the land, and many Americans would die before letting it be replaced by Sharia, even in one State. And, further that any initiative to put Sharia law up to a vote should be , rightfully, viewed as sedition. They aren't fooling anyone and neither are their leftarded enablers.
Good evening ant
Submitted by cocodrie on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 9:48pm.
One of our problems is that some americans have no idea what sharia law is nor the constitution. That's the way the liberals want us to be - ignorant. Our schools intend to keep the youth uneducated
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
ant
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 10:22pm.
I'm so confused about this. Do you think the left understands what Sharia would mean for this country and their poster children, i.e. homosexuals and transsexuals? I cannot fathom why the left supports Sharia.
As a Catholic I would NEVER want this country to ban the eating of meat on Good Friday, nor would anyone else. Why would muslim law be acceptable?
Someone once wrote that the
Submitted by ant on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 10:59pm.
Someone once wrote that the left's encouragement of hostilities, like OWS for example, may be like the flawed logic of kicking a beehive into a crowd and hoping the bees will only sting the ones you have in mind. The Islam stoking/capitulation could be the same flawed logic. I dunno. If it is, it's not thought out very well. But nobody ever accused the left of being smart (aside from themselves). IMO, it's likely they are just lovers of chaos. Think about how chaotic, angry and insane Ed Schultz sounds 99% of the time. He seems to thrive on it.
With all the "expulsions"
Submitted by KornKing on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 1:20pm.
Do you suppose this group is going to start with "we are the 98%"
your question:
Submitted by texasborngranny on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 1:36pm.
"Will the OWS problems with freeloading and wealth redistribution change any of the OWS protestors' minds on the benefits of capitalism and free markets?"
In a word: NO
WWJD!
Submitted by TerryWest on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 2:54pm.
The hypocrisy and Irony is hilarious, the OWS crowd now seem to be forming their own class click, deciding who will be included in distribution and considered a true member of the protester class (masquerading as protesters for the people) and who will not.
The truth is the "true" protestors are costing the tax payers far more money and resources then the homeless.
The protestors returning to their secure safe homes at night should give up those empty tents to the homeless so they can form their own percent protest against the masquerading OWS protesters, who are to the homeless & low income the have's on vacation.
Want to see some real hypocrisy by the OWS?
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 3:10pm.
Check out this post by Zombie.
Search on a string in this tag line to take you to the picture I'm talking about: The encampment has already fractured into a series of micro-neighborhoods, just like a real city. But at Occupy Oakland, where you are permitted to live is determined by your gender and/or racial or sexual identity. Here, for example, is a roped-off "gated community" reserved exclusively for female, gay and transgender residents.
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Brilliant
Submitted by ljacone on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 4:55pm.
It's not just hypocrisy, it's also HILARIOUS. Thanks, Blonde!
oh sweet irony
Submitted by kata on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 2:29pm.
four legs good, two legs better!
OccupyPortland struggles with keeping their collected money. One person in "Finance" has filed for... wait for it... incorporation. Death threats commence.
kata...
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 3:11pm.
You sound like my old cat....she prefers hoomins!
Tolerant liberals....death threats! I'm shocked, just shocked I tell ya!
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Blonde
Submitted by ant on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 9:45pm.
Death threats, even against each other. Gateway Pundit had a story that one Occupy group has had 20,000 dollars embezzled, by one of their "leaders" allegedly, and now the threats are flying. Just like the big, bad real world. The instant karma raining down on their movement is almost beyond belief.
Sorry I can't link the article, the more I try to save things the funkier my computer gets lately.
Oops, I read right over kata's link. My bad. Anywhoo,.......Hi, isn't MO's Mirror an entertaining read?
I think
Submitted by bkeyser on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 2:24pm.
the 1% is growing.
Here Bk*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 5:22pm.
Let's see how long the OWS last with their new brothers in arms.
What kind of insane media do we have that continues to ignore the truth about this "movement"?
Look who is supporting OSW
Submitted by coin of the realm on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:41pm.
Big banker, top bond manger, top hedge fund manger et al. They agree that we have been getting hosed for 30 years...
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/johncassidy/2011/10/top-ten-unlike...
Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws. Mayer Amschel Rothschild
keep pushing that one small change*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 10/27/2011 - 11:55pm.
But then you will have to hide the facts of other big time supporters, like David Duke, anti-semitics, Nazi's with guns, felons and drug dealers, drug addicts, the homeless, Muslims, socialists, communists, Hollywood hypocrites, the lying lamestream media, IRAN, and all sorts of loons, whiners, and whackos, perverts, rapists, and some of the organizers who are thieves.
Be ever so proud small change.
Iran held their second march in support of OWS
Submitted by kata on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 1:42am.
Granted it was an ordered march but hey, you take what you can get right? North Korea also sends OWS it's kisses.
What risk does a left wing private citizen "1%'er" really take by saying they support OWS?
0%
Read this and comment
Submitted by coin of the realm on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 12:17am.
http://www.salon.com/topic/occupy_wall_street/
Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws. Mayer Amschel Rothschild
Plug Nickle
Submitted by Prisondog1776 on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 12:27am.
"Read this and comment" Sounds a little pushy but never the less i read all i could stand of that drivel. From the article: Pro-democracy protesters in Egypt marched to the U.S. Embassy in support of Occupy Oakland. Really Pro-democracy? Are you so blind that you cant read anything but what your party tells you to read? Everything you site as a source here is from a left wing publication or media outlet and you want us to bend to your will? Negative. Epic Fail on your part.
No troll, we won't.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 12:44am.
We don't get paid to follow troll orders.
Show some respect for others here and maybe you will finally start getting treated with the respect an adult gets.
so...
Submitted by kata on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 12:51am.
they are covering it because they want to revel in the minute possibility of an American downfall?
I am shocked I tell you. Shocked. :)
It's amusing that the Tehran Press reads the American MSM and actually believes it. Maybe they should pay more visits here to NB and learn something. Nice to see you again coin! Hope you're having a pleasant evening.
Sorry, but
Submitted by Boudin on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 12:58am.
I gave up Salon years ago
These protesters are on to something..
Submitted by Michael30 on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:04am.
Protesting is an important function, so they should be given credits that can be used to secure food and choice living locations. Depending on how much time they spend, or how much they innovate their protesting style.
Now, being as they have to spend their time protesting, they can trade those credits to other people to guard and secure their posessions and such, and they can also give credits to others to protest on their behalf if they are sick or tired that day. They can also invest those Che Credits in buying cheaper food and sleeping bags and selling or renting them out. Even buy those things at todays price to later trade them later when the demand goes up.
The freeloading homeless, now will be able to see that by protesting better, they can earn more credits to trade for food, goods and services and will therefore contribute to the almighty cause of bringing down capitalism.
See, socialism can work, if only you use a system of reward and punishment for ability, drive, contribution and innovation.
Why can't capitalists understand that!?
-Mike
Human nature
Submitted by tadchem on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 7:49am.
RE: "Do you think any of the OWS protestors will realize the flaws of socialism based on their bad experiences with socialist principles at OWS protests? "
Short answer: It'll never happen.
Long answer: One basic trait of human nature seems to be that we tend to believe the first thing we are told on any subject, and thereafter that statement, however flawed it may be, becomes the yardstick by which we measure 'truth.'
It is very difficult to admit to ourselves that we could ever have been wrong about something. This obsessive adherence to any idea, even in the face of hard evidence to the contrary, is the hallmark of a religious-like obsession that prevents logic or good sense. This trait gives us religions, political partisanship, and junk science. It also gives us dogma and doctrines dressed up as 'philosophies.'
The OWS crowd is wrong, but they will never admit it, even to themselves.
Producers get short end of the stick in Liberal media's bias
Submitted by lrgon on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 12:08pm.
Jean-Baptiste Say taught that the supply side of human action, or the action of producers, drives the economy.
"Production of commodities creates, and is the one and universal cause which creates a market for the commodities produced." ---James Mill, Scottish economist
“As goods increase, so do those who consume them.” --The Old Testament, Ecclesiastes 5:11. words attributed to King Solomon
The money quote from the
Submitted by ant on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 9:50pm.
The money quote from the NYPost article, "..the cooks feel overworked and underappreciated". Welcome to the 53%! They better be careful, or they'll be replaced by illegal aliens.
some more data points
Submitted by coin of the realm on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 12:24am.
When the third wealthiest man in the world -- Warren Buffett -- says the United States government should stop "coddling the super rich" like him and raise taxes on millionaires, you know something is dramatically wrong.
When Bill Gross, who runs the world's largest bond fund -- the $1.2 trillion Pacific Investment Management Co. -- says that the Occupy Wall Street protest is an unsurprising reaction to the class war started by the rich against the rest of us, you know this is not situation normal.
And when Laurence Fink, who runs BlackRock Inc. -- the world's biggest asset manager, with $3.7 trillion invested -- says protestors spreading the Occupy message around the world have a point, look out.
"These are not lazy people sitting around looking for something to do," Fink says. "We have people losing hope and they're going into the street, whether it's justified or not."
Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws. Mayer Amschel Rothschild
Those are not "data points"
Submitted by sentry_99 on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 12:35am.
They are opinions. The first from a man who still owes what...1 billion in back taxes? Bill Gross is the guy that made millions from the government takeover of Fannie and Freddie. He obviously loves Big Gubmint. Finally, fink says they have a point? Stop the presses by God!!!!
some more fallacious arguments.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 12:52am.
Looks like the little boy troll strikes again.
Appeal to Authority. Can you say that little boy?
Bill Gross, Warren Buffet and Lawrence of Arabia says trolls have small 'nads. Does that make it true troll?
I said go away. You don't understand logical fallacies. You can't interact with adults.
Con
Submitted by ant on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 2:09am.
Your tag line is not only stupid, but completely divorced from the truth.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/10/the_facts_of_life_are_conservativ...
Language of the rich
Submitted by ruby2ssday on Sat, 11/05/2011 - 6:37pm.
What Buffet, Gross and Fink are really saying is "we got ours and we know we can keep it but you little guys have to redistribute your wealth."
Liberals actually hate themselves
Submitted by Retired Geek on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 2:37am.
Liberals actually hate themselves and the fact that most if not all of them never achieve anything more in their lives but the destruction of what others have accomplished.
Barack Obama is a prime example in his attempt to 'Transform the United States'.
His attempts would only bring dystopia to the the most exceptional Nation that has ever existed on Planet Earth.
The Liberal Hatred of the 'Rich' is really hatred of self because of their inability to succeed and prosper.
Why is America Exceptional?
http://thpatriots.blogspot.com/2011/01/bill-whittle-what-conservatives-b...
Wealth Distribution through Income Taxes
Submitted by Retired Geek on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 2:42am.
Waitressing is hard Work, is it 'Fair and Just' to take money through income taxes from a Waitress who has worked long hard hours and give those 'Stolen Goods' to someone so they can demonstrate for 'More Money' from taxpayers?
Working in Construction is hard work, is it 'Fair and Just' to take money through income taxes from a Construction Worker who has worked long hard hours in the heat, rain and freezing temperatures and give those 'Stolen Goods' to someone so they can demonstrate for 'More Money' from taxpayers?
What is never mentioned is that 'Wealth Redistribution' through income taxes affects EVERYONE who pays taxes - INCLUDING the Working poor and NOT just the rich.
Either everyone should pay taxes on their income or no one should pay taxes on their income.