Open Thread: Will the Rest of ObamaCare Fall Apart, Too?
The Obama administration has announced it has given up on one of the more controversial aspects of ObamaCare, known as the CLASS Act (Community Living Assistance Services and Supports Act). The CLASS Act was portrayed as a cost-saving scheme in ObamaCare, but as House Speaker John Boehner's spokesman Michael Steele explained, "We have always known that this program was a naked scam — cooking the books trying to cover up the unsustainable cost of Washington Democrats' government takeover of health care."
After much criticism from congressional Republicans and centrist Democrats who called the CLASS Act a financial gimmick, do you think the rest of ObamaCare will continue crumbling? Let us know your thoughts in the comments.
The CLASS Act was designed to help people disabled by sickness or accident who had voluntarily enrolled and paid premiums into the program, but it was problematic because patients couldn't be refused because of their medical conditions, so if healthy people did not enroll in the program in large enough numbers, there would be no way to pay for the sick people needing care.
As Rep. Paul Ryan explained in a statement, the Obama administration finally "surrendered to reality" by giving up CLASS. According to the Hill:
CLASS is by far the biggest piece of healthcare reform to meet its end, and also the first to collapse entirely on its own. Republicans successfully repealed one much smaller provision, and the individual mandate could be struck down by the Supreme Court. But HHS officials acknowledged that CLASS fell apart simply because it was too flawed to salvage.
Republicans said the CLASS program won’t be the last piece of healthcare reform to fall apart.
“This announcement is a canary in a coal mine,” Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) said in a statement. “Today’s abandonment of the program is just the latest evidence demonstrating ObamaCare's devastating effects and ill-conceived policies. What will be next?”
What do you think will be the next part of ObamaCare to fall apart?
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the solution
Submitted by misterbee241 on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 9:50am.
to this is simple. force healthy people through law to enroll. problem solved.
I have a quicker solution.
Submitted by hbnolikeee on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 9:54am.
Just seize whatever money needed from everyone's personal savings and checking accounts.
They are wanting to do that
Submitted by ricklail on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:39am.
They are wanting to do that to our retirement and 401K now as it is. Don't give them anymore ideas.
More proof that these people
Submitted by motherbelt on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:18am.
More proof that these people just don't think things through (has anyone heard any more about Obama's "Winning the Future" slogan?).
What genius came up with the idea of assisted living, a program for the elderly, requiring hordes of healthy 20- and 30- somethings who don't need it, to pay for it?
You're right, the only way to pay for it is to force them to enroll it that too, just like they're forcing them to buy coverage for themselves that they don't want.
I 'hope' so................
Submitted by killa37 on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 9:53am.
I 'hope' so................
I am a bit confused.
Submitted by hbnolikeee on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 9:53am.
I thought that in the haste to ram this piece of crap down all our throats, the paragraph that would allow this bill to survive such events as parts of it being removed as defective was not added and so if the bill has flaws then the entire bill is supposed to get squashed.
Does anyone have some update with respect to this?
When Pelosi said we had to
Submitted by ricklail on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:50am.
When Pelosi said we had to pass it to see what was in it she should have said we'll have to wait until Sebiluis and her lapdogs write the rules. The devil is always in the rules. Just look at OSHA and what a mess it turned out to be when the rules were written. When I am talking about rules I mean turning it into US Code. 45 CFR 1.1 is where you can find the rules if you have time to read.
This issue is fundamental...
Submitted by Order270 on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:00am.
...to our way of life in this country. ObamaCare must be dismantled as it unfolds. Dividing and conquering seems appropriate given Obama's focused attention on his re-election campaign.
Does it follow now that by
Submitted by Semus on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:04am.
Does it follow now that by cancelling this part of Healthcare, the Obama Administration is racist?
I knew it all the time :-^}
The only aspect of
Submitted by Ed Gregory on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:15am.
The only aspect of O'DisasterCare I hope stays is where we send our co-pays to Nancy Pelosi. That part's in there, right?
Man, look at the d-bag gallery surrounding agent zero in that photo. A picture is worth a thousand high crimes and misdemeanors.
Ed~
Submitted by GG_NB on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:21am.
Except the cute kid!
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
Okay, I'll give it to you on
Submitted by Ed Gregory on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:23am.
Okay, I'll give it to you on the little kid. He's certainly cute. Too bad they used him as a pawn.
Ed~
Submitted by GG_NB on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:28am.
I remember watching that and feeling sick to my stomach that they used that kid. I hope he at least got a year's supply of ice cream or something.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
Probably not much chance of
Submitted by Ed Gregory on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:32am.
Probably not much chance of it, but I hope he learns the follies of the left before too long and grows up to become a conservative! And have some ice cream.
Interesting that you call
Submitted by motherbelt on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:25am.
Interesting that you call Obama "Agent Zero."
In medical science, the person to whom most of the cases of a particular disease (e.g. AIDS) can be traced back, is known as "Patient Zero."
Do the math.
I didn't know that, so thanks
Submitted by Ed Gregory on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:36am.
I didn't know that, so thanks for the education. As to why I call him that, it just seems to fit. He's certainly an agent -- of the bad kind of change -- and I find his worth to this country to be zero.
Actually - less than zero!!!
Submitted by killa37 on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 1:47pm.
Actually - less than zero!!! If your checkbook balance is zero, at least you know you're just broke. If it is minus a few gazillion dollars, you're really in deep doo-doo.
Obummer won't give up that easily
Submitted by lgeubank on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:18am.
That nest of vipers won't abandon Obamacare just because one part was found to be a fraud.
The main thing, for them, is to seize power over another segment of society. It's like Stalin's "collectivization of agriculture," wherein Stalin exerted control over all farming in his country. It was a matter of lesser concern that he 1) killed millions of "kulaks", 2) engineered a devastating famine, and 3) ruined agriculture in the U.S.S.R. for all time.
The issue in Stalin's collectivization was control, and the purpose of Obama's collectivization of medical care is control -- to stop all the fat cats, millionaires and billionaires from getting better medical care than poor inhabitants of the ghetto.
RULE OR RUIN (or preferably, both) is the working principle of our Mussolini for Morons.
I fear that you are correct.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:31am.
Our RBFSOB (just like Mussolini) is on His quest for reelection. Everything else is secondary.
If He succeeds in that, Katie bar the door. He will have four more years to completely takeover the entire economy!
Now that He has His "peeps in da streets" all over the world, and even has the Chicoms saying the protestors are right, He thinks that He is flying high. I just hope that the SCOTUS has enough rocks to bring down the entire package before He can even get reelected. The Republican establishment is already starting to waffle on the protestors, with Cantor saying that we need to narrow the gap in income disparity. What a pack of wussies.
It's going to be a long election year!
Newsbubba, I can't stand it any more!!
Submitted by motherbelt on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:37am.
What does RBF stand for??
MB~
Submitted by GG_NB on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:05am.
Guessing the "BF" may be bureaucratic fascist...have no idea what the "R" is. Maybe "resident"?
I want to know as well!
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
Jon is correct, ladies.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 8:14pm.
Obama is a rat bastard Fascist.
I may be taking a little poetic license with the "rat" part, but the "Fascist" and the "bastard" are absolutely correct. As far as the "rat," I'm inclined to think that title is provable when I look at those Mickey Mouse ears!
The SOB part is also true and on the record.
Obama IS a RBFSOB, for real.
Good evening Bubba
Submitted by cocodrie on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 8:20pm.
The first two I think are Real Butt. Y'all take it from there.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
RBF
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:18am.
Rat Bastard Fascist......or another F-word. ;-)
-Jon
Obamacare Still Has To Be Kicked Apart
Submitted by Avitar on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:30am.
The damned thing is so big that it shall continue to do damage as long as any of it is together. Like pieces of a falling plane the pieces can hit things. In this case the Plane would be bigger than a carrier and could take out a city or small state.
I don't know how much embezzled money is hidden in Obamacare but Obama diverts money to the DNC and their co-conspirators in every other budget including the Defense budget so we need to expect enough money to run a Presidential campaign and the DNC for eight years to be hidden somewhere in this mess.
State of Confusion~
Submitted by GG_NB on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:25am.
Ask any doc office staff -- the pieces are all over the place.
The whole has to go.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
My understanding was that
Submitted by motherbelt on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:46am.
My understanding was that this provision was for "assisted living" for seniors; a less expensive and more independent option for those requiring assistance but not nursing home care.
Did I read that wrong?
If it's a "disability insurance" that's different. It's usually offered by employers.
My husband is collecting that now, since he can't work because of an illness. He signed up for both short- and long-term and paid premiums for it.
Tow Obama
Submitted by ricklail on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 1:25pm.
It appears that Obama has turned down the NC GOP offer to tow his bus back to DC if he will return and work on the economy.
Where's left-wing outrage over Uganda?
Submitted by motherbelt on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:00am.
Joe Scarborough asks.
Calls ii "Invasion by Press Release."
→ Cheese in a rat trap
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 1:16pm.
It's in our country's national interest, y'know.
John Hood of the John Locke
Submitted by ricklail on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:35am.
John Hood of the John Locke Foundation has a very good column as the "occupation" of Wall Street.
Hey Rick
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 12:57pm.
I understand The Won is headed your way with the BIG BLACK CANADIAN BUS to try to rally support for his jobs speech.
I wish you'd get out there in the crowd (with a bullhorn) and shout "YOU LIE"!
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
→ Again?
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 1:21pm.
Did he take that big black Canadian bus to the unveiling of the "What Martin Luther King Would Like If He was Part Chinese" statue yesterday?
Hank Williams Sr.
Submitted by cocodrie on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 1:34pm.
The Devil's Train
The devil's train is long and black
it rides on rails of tears
it's headed for destruction now
with a drunken engineer
Oh see the greatness of the crowd
that waits beside the track
they're leaving on that devil's train
and never coming back
Oh Lord please stop that devil's train
before it is too late
and teach them to bow their heads
before before they seal their fate
The devil's train will take you to
a land of groans and pain
uou'll spend your days in sorrow
if you ride the devil's train
Too bad Hank ain't here no more to write about the devil's bus.
Maybe Hank Jr can help us out
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
He was in Asheville, a center
Submitted by ricklail on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 1:32pm.
He was in Asheville, a center of liberalism. Then he heads to Greensboro and another liberal center. He is going to make a stop in Wikes County which is a fairly conservative area. At one time this county was the center of moonshine making and they still distrust the gubment. After that thank goodness he is going to Virginia.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/10/17/2698944/obama-arrives-in-north-carolina.html
Why should teachers and firefighters be included in a jobs bill? Those jobs are the irresponsibility of the state/local governments.
The stinking mobs of OWS are
Submitted by billb on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 1:06pm.
The stinking mobs of OWS are actually demonstrating for THEIR bailout, and Obama will make sure they get it!
He will campaign to forgive their college loans!
"Waxman, stand up, let the people see you!"
Submitted by SickofLibs on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 1:10pm.
Oh, you are? Sorry.
Obama care was signed into law,...
Submitted by briefsynopsis on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 1:39pm.
How can these people just set aside parts of the law(s) that they deem/find unworkable?
Easy
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 2:05pm.
The same way DuhOne doesn't follow parts of the Constitution that he considers not necessary to follow.
-Jon
Just One Problem
Submitted by NC Boy on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 1:49pm.
I am as against Obamacare as anyone, but I sure hope some Conservative "thinkers" are working on the problem of what we SHOULD do about Healthcare.
That's easy
Submitted by ricklail on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 2:02pm.
When they write the rules they will just leave it out. I bet not one single congresscriter will bother to read the Code Of Federal Regulation when it is finished. None of us have the time to sit down and read 45 CFR .1.1. Parts 153 and 155-157 have been reserved. i think that is where Obamacare regulations will be found. Remember their are other gubmint agencies invovled so they will write their own rules.
Here's some background on the
Submitted by ricklail on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 2:26pm.
Here's some background on the owners of Zuccotti Park. Interesting. i knew that Soros had a hand in it somewhere. Put 2 and 2 together and you can figure out why they didn't run the stinkers out of the park
HillaryCare
Submitted by deadeyedan on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 2:26pm.
One fond memory is that of Bill Clinton at a podium extolling the virtues of socialized medicine (as if we didn't have enough of it already). In his hand he held a card upward, waving enthusiastically, explaining that it was the card that everyone previously uninsured would receive once Hillary's Grand Design became law.
He then eagerly told his audience that with that card we citizens could all get the same care as "we in the government" and that card could not ever be refused for immediate care.
All this came during the grand epoch when all the democrats were telling us about the "40,000,000 Americans without health insurance" and that they were going to rectify that. All along, gullible voters were thinking that those 40,000,000 would all have their health insurance paid for by the government, and thus the card funded by taxpayers was a ticket for the uninsured to walk into health care facilities and be treated like "we in the government" and therefore kept electing democrats to every post available.
As if, in the case of there being an accident in which your daughter and Chelsea Clinton happened to be injured, your daughter would be rushed to Bethesda Naval Hospital and Chelsea would be given a lift to the local county facility.
GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES ALWAYS GET FAVORED TREATMENT. THE REASON THIS NON-SEQUITUR WAS NEVER BROUGHT UP IN THE MEDIA WAS THAT THEIR MOGULS WOULD ALWAYS HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO EFFECTIVELY GET THE EQUIVALENT OF THE CARE GIVEN THOSE ON THE FEDERAL PAYROLL, SO IT WOULD HAVE NEGLIGIBLE EFFECT ON THEM.
When it came time to find out about ObamaCare (after it was passed, per Nancy Pelosi), it was learned that everyone would actually have to PAY for the "government sponsored" insurance except that Pelosi and her cohorts would still be on their freebies, thus establishing the worst bait and switch scheme of all time. (Except that perhaps RomneyCare had pre-empted her.)
As if that was not enough, after OC was passed changes had to be made (we were, after all, promised "change") to accommodate exceptions for the Amish and other fundamentalist denominations who disdain modern medicine since it would be paying for something that did not apply to them. This was done by Congress, of course, under the auspices of the very first clause of the very first article of the Bill of Rights ensuring no favoritism based on religion.
LIBERALISM - government of the people by the theories and for the ideologists
GLOBAL WARMING - authoritarian, rather than authoritative, science
CLIMATEGATE - the revelation that the pseudo-scientists at East Anglia University know just as much about the atmosphere as Harvard law professors know about the Constitution
If I have a puzzled look on my face ......
Submitted by Par for the Course on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 3:34pm.
the following will tell you why:
One administration official says Obama is still committed to making the program work, while another, Sebelius, says they don't see a way to make the program work.
Pass the popcorn.
puzzled
Submitted by Agnostic on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 3:39pm.
not to go conspiracy nuts but...
There have been many postulating that President Obama has a list of items that will receive approval via EO following re-election. Perhaps this is to stall or at least remove the bill from view until he can focus like a laser on the econo, no - on jobs, no - on healthcare.
Lesbians adopt baby boy... but later decide he's really a girl
Submitted by SickofLibs on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 6:27pm.
Tommy is Tammy.
I'm not going to even click that link, SoL
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 6:33pm.
Because I think I've already read that story.
Rush read the "Sybil" bit today...and as Doc Dam and Caj have been telling us....for a while, the liberals are trying to decriminalize pedophilia, via the A. P. A.
I'll stop now. Before I go off on a bannable rant.
We've got to stop the destruction of our social fabric by the liberalization of societal norms.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
J, Don't you dare go off and stroke out on me
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 6:59pm.
LOL - There is only room for one impending stroke aroud here.
-And that stroke is me.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Doc Dam?
Submitted by Rukus on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 10:42pm.
Holding back the rising tide of rampant liberalism... one post at a time!
I couldn't help myself, snicker.
Calm down Blonde*
Submitted by cajun2 on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:23pm.
Coffee has not disappeared yet!
oops, wrong thread...;-)
"Coffee has not disappeared yet!"
Submitted by Rukus on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:31pm.
Apparently not. ; )
Not so fast Rukus*
Submitted by cajun2 on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:35pm.
That was my 2nd post. Had to delete the first one, hopefully you and others didnt see it...I would be embarrassed...;-)
Coffee?!
Submitted by GG_NB on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:36pm.
If coffee disappears, so do I.
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan
No No GG*
Submitted by cajun2 on Mon, 10/17/2011 - 11:45pm.
It's ok, even if coffee disappears, cajun makes a very very strong pot of tea...Just in case GG disappears, gotta get me one of those GG buttons....LOL
Whew~
Submitted by GG_NB on Tue, 10/18/2011 - 12:57am.
I love tea!:)
"If not us, who? If not now, when?"
~Ronald Reagan