Open Thread: Have Alinsky Rules Returned for Obama?
The "Occupy Wall Street" protests that have been occurring across the country in recent days do not appear much different than any other liberal protest group. They are supported by George Soros, MoveOn.org, and labor unions, this time with banks as their target. The protestors have posted themselves outside financial buildings around the country, most predominantly in New York City's financial district, with demands to tax and arrest bankers.
National polls have shown that rather than blame administration policies for the economy, the public still tends to blame banks for economic trouble. With the large banking corporations as the enemy, instead of the current administration, do you think the Occupy Wall Street protests have the attributes of an Alinsky-type political machine? Let us know your thoughts in the comments.
The Occupy Wall Street protestors are the same people who elected Obama in 2008. According to an Investor's Business Daily editorial:
Last Aug. 11, former Obama "green czar" and community organizer Van Jones sent out an email to supporters calling for a new plan to "Rebuild the Dream." It called for infrastructure jobs to "rebuild our crumbling bridges" — exactly the line Obama presented in subsequent speeches.
In the same email, Jones — a self-described communist — called for jailing big bankers and instituting a "tiny fee" to siphon billions from bank transactions "to spend on Main Street job-creation," which are also things Obama favors. [...]
Now we have the president himself saying he feels "sympathy" for the aims of the Wall Street protestors, while the rest of Obama's political machine — Big Labor — is marching to join in. It's no coincidence that Occupy Wall Street's first demand is a sop to Big Labor: ending all free trade. [...]
As the mob seeks to hammer into the public's mind that Wall Street is the enemy, it's not hard to see the political value to Obama: deflecting attention from the economic failures of this presidency.
Do you see similarities to Alinsky tactics in the way the middle class has been turned against large corporations instead of the administration?
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Obama Connection
Submitted by libBuster on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:01am.
It would be interesting to understand the connection between the Obama propaganda machine and these protests. Is there White House coordination?
Van Jones worked in WH & now in protests
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:20am.
I would call that a pretty close tie. You know, the guy Biden said he checked out and qualified as OK for the WH job, but now did not recall who Van Jones was. I would say LOL, but this is getting crazy. I hope there are some intelligence and military people ready to keep our Country safe FROM this regime. What is the quote about all it takes is for good people to do nothing? Someone has it on their tag line here.
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
Any one that has served in
Submitted by ricklail on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:50am.
Any one that has served in the military has taken an oath to defend this country against all enemies foreign or domestic. These people are domestic enemies so I guess the military needs to do its job. The posse comutatius act would not apply here.
1930s Roosevelt retread quotes
Submitted by AmWLS4VP on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 9:48pm.
This is nothing more than more 1930s Roosevelt retread. Hate big corporations, support big corporations (but only the ones he liked), destroy small business (NRA). Hate non-union labor, support big union labor, destroy employment by making it impossible to hire with regulation. Tax the rich (90%), tax breaks for rich supporters (0% for GE?), skyrocketing prices for the rest of us due to taxes being passed on to the consumer.
If you can't see the pattern happening again, it's time for new glasses.
Secular-progressive-protestant-socialist-utopians. Just read the signs on Wall St. You can learn everything you need to know about them. They have been re-educated well.
Had to look that up! NRA... Check snips out!
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Thu, 10/06/2011 - 11:57am.
I was thinking National Rifle Assoc or National Restaurant Assoc. LOL Check these snips out! Look at the second one... sounds like Obama. http://www.examiner.com/history-in-baltimore/regulate-this-cont-d-the-ne...
snip:
“During the New Deal, FDR supposedly carried on his (distant) cousin Teddy’s crusade against the “malefactors of great wealth.” But the truth is that big business often welcomed government regulation. Clarence Darrow, surveying the National Recovery Act’s record, found that the keystone agency of the New Deal had served only to help big business.”
Uh, does this sound familiar? snip:
Business and industry felt Roosevelt’s constantly changing impulses as he attacked them, supported them, and attacked them again over the course of his presidency. So yes, in some instances Big Business did gain from the New Deal. However, most of the time, Roosevelt used them as a scapegoat, denouncing them as “malefactors of great wealth,” “economic royalists,” “economic dictators,” and “privileged princes”, to implement the next policy that tickled his fancy. Or, to put it more accurately, as Roosevelt stated in his second inaugural address, to seek an “instrument of unimagined power for the establishment of a morally better world.”
snip:
The NRA harassed and prosecuted the Schechter brothers, Orthodox Jews in Brooklyn who ran a small chicken farm, for having the temerity to sell their chickens at a price lower than that set by NRA bureaucrats in Washington. The Schechter’s even went to jail for their transgression. Their case went all the way to the Supreme Court, where they won. The NRA tossed drycleaner Jacob Maged into prison for pressing suits at 35 cents instead of the NRA mandated 40 cents. Under the New Deal, offering your customer’s lower prices was literally a jailable offense. The NRA imposed thousands of codes and regulations, which drove up prices at a time when consumers needed lower priced goods. Specifically the Anti-Chain Store Act, and the Retail Price Maintenance Act, (can you say Wal-Mart) kept the price of everyday consumer goods high. NRA’s mandatory cuts in manufacturing production and the Agricultural Adjustment Administration’s (AAA) cut’s to farm production, destroyed thousands of industrial and agricultural jobs at the very time they were needed.
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
Whatever
Submitted by Dave81 on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:00am.
Once the free pizza and media attention disappear, people will start going home. It's a bunch of college students thinking they're part of something real that's going to change the future, and once the high wares off it'll be back to normal life.
These two rules immediately come to mind...
Submitted by ontheright on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:27am.
...the Allinsky "playbook" is alive and well - this administration doesn't know anything else. I'm sure Obama's personal copy is almost worn out with most of the pages ear-marked and all...just say'n.
RULE 5: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." - whether true or not, there is no defense against targeted ridicule.
RULE 6: "A good tactic is one your people enjoy." - playing hooky from work, school or otherwise ignoring your responsibilities is fun...and these misguided, ignorant fools most likely would say their defiant behavior is enjoyable...to them, anyway. The limelight and attention, must be very intoxicating to these mush-minds.
Just say no - to Obowmaolinsky in 2012
I suspect the will thin, but a cadre will be kept in place
Submitted by Rover on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:30pm.
This is a new front in Obama's class war, which he will push heavily up until election day. I suspect, human nature being what it is, a lot of these kids will leave when the weather gets harsh, but the media will continue to report on this through the winter, showing a core cadre as if the numbers are constant, and hyping their presence in the freezing weather as committment.
The kids will be back in Spring and especially after school's out. Next summer the media are going to be innundating us with stories that will make it appear as if hundreds of thousands of "ordinary folks" are taking to the streets. The Soros organization will do whatever is necessary to keep the free pizza coming, and will make sure that the media there. I fear substantial violence as this progresses, either they (the elite cadre) will whip it up themselves for the publicity, or they'll be a backlash by loyal Amercians tired of the BS, which would, of course, be blown up by the media. The more violence, the more publicity, the better for Soros and Obama. The media will ALWAYS find a way to blame it on right-wing extremists, and what they will call inflamatory rhetoric by the Republicans.
Returned?
Submitted by jon_torlin on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:03am.
Have they ever left? I'd say NOPE! They never left, they were just laying low and waiting for the right time to come back out.
-Jon
You expressed my
Submitted by Bodini on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:11pm.
sentiments ... perfectly.
What?
Submitted by aposematic on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:08am.
Obama is Alinsky! The two are inseparable.
Not just the protestors
Submitted by Tugboat Phil on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:09am.
I think the spirit of Alinsky is in most of the news rooms across this country. The real Alinsky, of course, is burning in hell.
Duh?!?!
Submitted by Newsbubba on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:14am.
We are in for the same ride that turned Russia, China, Cuba, and many smaller countries into a "Worker's Paradise." What has always made it work is the fact that the "protestors" were ignored for too long before the government they were overthrowing realized that the protests were being driven by a small, dedicated cadre of hardcore communists who were trained to cause the disruption.
This is the same old script being played out, and to make it worse, the highest ranking official in this country is already a communist. Actually he's more of a Fascist now, but he can switch over in a heartbeat when he gets control of all the large businesses.
Time to wake up. Governors, mayors, and police chiefs in the effected communities need to step up because the feds never will. These "protestors" are accomplices of the current administration. Look who is driving them!
I predict that very soon, someone will be killed in one of these protests, and that it will be engineered by the labor thugs in the crowd. It will be used as the reason to really turn violent and escalate the protests. When that happens, all bets are off. This country may be in a shooting war with itself.
Hey, it's what you get when you elect a radical communist president!
I hope the FBI is infiltrating this movement...
Submitted by Rover on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 1:05pm.
Back in the cold war days, the FBI infiltrated these movements to ascertain the extent of Soviet influence and assess their potential as a national security threat. I hope they still have the intenstinal fortitude to do this, despite the fact that the Attorney General will probably string them up for doing so.
I'm hoping NYPD doing the same.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 3:21pm.
After all, this could be ripe picking for a "terrorist" act.
Of course, they can't let Mayor Bloomers know!
The FBI is still under the "Levi guidelines" and cannot
Submitted by lrgon on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 3:42pm.
In the days of J.Edgar Hoover the FBI investigated communists groups and did infiltrate them to get inside information of SDS, Black Panthers, Weather Underground, this liberation army and that "civil rights" group, etc.
In the early 70's the liberals and the Leftist in congress choked back on our internal security apparatus and the whole seditious movement got official US government protection.
Attorney General Edward Levy who served under Gerald Ford issued his FBI "guidelines." Levi essentially tied the FBI's hands: no more infiltration of anti-American organization, no more tracking their money spigot. At the same time Levi was helping the terror groups, the congress did away with their internal security committees. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Levi
This congressman tied to restore our internal security :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeXqRmsCwdE
So, the IBD has "recognized".....
Submitted by almostacowboy on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:28am.
what Glenn Beck has been saying for the last 2 years? Kind of like Columbus "discovering" America as if it were Antartica.
We have been getting
Submitted by robert108 on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:34am.
We have been getting "Alinskyed" since Clinton. Remember "It's for the children."? It automatically made anyone who opposed Clinton, for any reason, "against the children". Automatic smear, that distracted from the actual details at hand. Alinskyism works by lowering everything to the emotional level, which immediately polarizes any issue into a set of extreme opposites, and turning off the higher thinking processes by producing emotional reaction to a perceived "crisis". Instead of sober governance on Constitutional principles, we get stuck in crisis management.
How can Reid get by with this?
Submitted by ricklail on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:34am.
According to the Constitution Article 1 Section. 7. All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills. Reid is proposing a sur tax on millionaires. For the Senate to propose a bill raising revenue would be unconditional if I it read right. Not that it matters to the Dems.
He won't allow any votes
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:57am.
Reid "proposes" a lot of things that he, himself, won't allow anyone to vote on once it reaches the floor of the Senate. It's all a game to him.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
The difference is, it won't
Submitted by Ruths husband Ben on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:45am.
The difference is, it won't work this time. The alternative media, will insure that folks are informed about the source and cause of this crap. It will fail. Unfortunately, Obama is going to find out that a mob is a nasty weapon to use because it doesn't always just attack your target, sometimes mobs turn on the instigator. Van Jones called this uprising the American Fall (as compared to the Arab Spring). I think it is going to be Lib-turd Fail.
"Deflection"
Submitted by mad53PA on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:08pm.
This is just another warning shot about what the campaign of 2012 will be about.
The narrative already taking shape is that all of these "dark forces" have conspired to prevent Obama from working his "magic" and saving America.
Again, not his fault but everyone else whose motives are always called into question by the One.
I agree with previous comments, it won't work this time.
I wonder how folks in Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Missouri, Virginia etc are going to feel about a President running for re-election on a platform of "hopeless change".
I don't see a peaceful endgame with these demonstrations.
Submitted by hbnolikeee on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:25pm.
What specific action or actions are they asking for? It's not sufficient to say life isn't fair give me more of your money? Unless these demonstrations are stopped, we will reach some critical mass and have some horrible riots across the country.
Are these liberals that stupid? Don't they realize that the are PLAYING WITH FIRE?
I think they'd LOVE to see violence
Submitted by Rover on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:43pm.
The better for the attention they'll get, and their rationalizations for the need to control the crisis.
They DO care how many "little people" are hurt or killed-the more, the better. Blocks burned out by rioting? Collateral damage. I predict that, if it doesn't happen naturally, they'll instigate it.
Oh, they're asking for specific actions, hobno.....
Submitted by motherbelt on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:44pm.
Here is a list of their demands....
The standard "spew alert" applies.
Unbelievable
Submitted by thauber on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 1:20pm.
If they even got half of these "demands" we would be depression overnight.
Do have of these protestors even realize what they are supporting?
I have an idea
Submitted by panzerakc on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 2:32pm.
Why don't we hit the crowds with knockout gas, pack them all on a plane, and ship them off to Greece?
I'd hate for them to wait in suspense for the results of their irrational demands. Let's just have them skip right to the end game.
Oh, and no returning to the US until you can prove you have acquired at least a modicum of sense.
At the very least turn a fire
Submitted by ricklail on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 4:06pm.
At the very least turn a fire hose on them. They need a bath and the streets need to be cleaned.
Gen. Bloomberg, NYC's first War Mayor, is working on a plan.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 4:21pm.
Cropdusters will sprinkle salt on the mobs and that will kill most of them in a day or so.
To support BO's initiatives to
Submitted by Bodini on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 6:27pm.
limit greenhouse gas emissions lets just skip the plane flight and use one of those "non-existent" weapons of mass destruction that the Iraqi government used on their Kurdish protestors.
Two years ago it was hushed
Submitted by tellady1 on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:28pm.
Two years ago it was hushed whispers, "Is he trying to destroy this country?". Now people speak openly. Van Jones may no longer be in the administration but his ideology and strategies are embraced by this president . Stephen Lerner (former SEIU leader & frequent visitor to the White House) preaches the "deliberate dismantling of the economy" to overthrow the govt. He is now involved in adding to this chaos and is calling for "Economic Terrorism". Soros and moveon.org involved. Connect the dots people. This is all orchestrated.
Enough said. And if this
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:38pm.
Enough said.
And if this country was still the America I was born into (it isn't) this Kenyan communist fraud would not even be in a position to be reelected.
-He would be riding a bench in a federal lockup awaiting trial.
This country is going to die due to sheer ignorance and stupidity.
Sorry, but the truth is insensitive.
And it sucks, too.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Update
Submitted by ricklail on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 3:20pm.
I talked with Tony Caprara this morning. He played middle linebacker 51-52 for the Dawgs.
What I find funny is that the
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:38pm.
What I find funny is that the Wall Street these nincompoops are occupying is vastly different than the Wall Street that I started working on almost 30 years ago.
The majority of the banks and brokerages have moved OUT of the area. The NYSE and BONY are down on Wall Street and the Goldman Sachs headquarters is a few blocks away but the area is now more residential than business. JPM Chase, Morgan Stanley and Citigroups headquarters are all midtown.
So who are these protesters annoying the most? The people who live there.
I wonder how long these protesters will stay there when Mom and Dad stop the checks?
Scuba,
Submitted by Agnostic on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:57pm.
The unions are stepping in with food, healthcare and other means of support to make sure they stay. If they want it to last they better stock up on portable heaters (tax payers will pay the bill for the electricity) and blankets because global warming is coming soon.
I miss GB.
Submitted by DumbCanuck on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:46pm.
Glenn Beck would have been all over this with the "I told you so's"
And he was right on the money -- right down to the timetable.
Too bad he's lost his influence by leaving FNC.
Sometimes I wonder if GB would have still been on the air, would we still be seeing all these so-called "Wall Street" protests???
"There... Are... Four... Lights!"
Glen Beck was 100% correct on protesters
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Thu, 10/06/2011 - 11:43am.
Community communist and labor organized from the start. Takes the cake that Van Jones is involved. Fresh from the White House. Media doing a real snow job covering it misleadingly. The protests should be focused on the SOURCE of the problems. The epicenter = too big, unconstitutional, crony government. They SHOULD be PROTESTING OBAMA and GOVERNMENT !!! Plenty of reasons to rightly protest and demand his removal. But this is all done to blame businesses vs. Obama. Crony capitalism would not be possible with a constitutional, limited government. We were warned!
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
Returned?
Submitted by lotr on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:51pm.
They never went away.
The Disinfecting Light Of Truth
Submitted by rammingspeed on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 1:07pm.
Obama et al is just in the process of exposing more and more of their basic ideology, of which Alinsky is a foundational core. This was inevitable since his election to president, and being the arrogant, never-back-down anarchist he is he will only redouble his efforts over time. Silver lining: At long last he is being honest, and providing people with a tangible thing to fight against.
Bogus potus show and tell?
Submitted by jon_torlin on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 1:18pm.
Anyone see that picture on Drudge of the bogus potus, titled "show and tell" and there's a book that he's holding with a picture in it, which happens to be a picture of himself exclaiming "a puppy!"
More narcissism on display. Nevermind that Muslims don't like dogs at all.
-Jon
So.. Palin is not running for Prez in 2012.
Submitted by kata on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 6:26pm.
Drudge has it as the top story.
Steven Jobs just died.
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 7:44pm.
I guess not really unexpected. But very sad.
Jer
RIP Mr Jobs.
Submitted by kata on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 7:48pm.
prayers to your family.
Very sad
Submitted by Mister Orange on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 7:49pm.
Thank you, Steve. For everything.
Sad to hear of Steven Jobs passing
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 8:11pm.
I was never a fan of Apple computers, but I do appreciate and recognize Steve's numerous contributions that changed our world in so many ways.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Impressive man, I think he
Submitted by Dan Diego on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 8:32pm.
Impressive man, I think he read the writing on the wall and still pushed on as long as he could to personally stand up for something he had created.
RIP Mr. Jobs.
Steve Jobs
Submitted by Radical1979 on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 9:10pm.
Definately a man who changed the world. I never had a Mac, but I am in love with my iPhone. I hope the company can continue to be as innovative as it was with Jobs at the helm.
Condolences to the family.
Congrats to NewsBusters: No. 25 of top 150 Conservative Sites
Submitted by Dave. on Thu, 10/06/2011 - 12:56am.
Nice going.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
'Occupy' a job for a while
Submitted by Agnostic on Thu, 10/06/2011 - 8:10am.
"The Occupy Wall Street protestors are the same people who elected Obama in 2008."
First they elect him, then 3 years later when they are more miserable than ever they protest for more of the same things that made them miserable. Is there a social/psychological equivalent to Munchausen’s Disease?