Open Thread: How Will Media Cover Eric Holder and Fast and Furious?
In early May of this year, Attorney General Eric Holder told Rep. Darrell Issa's House committee that he was "not sure of the exact date" he learned of Fast and Furious, but that he "probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks.
Now, CBS News has obtained documents showing that Holder was sent briefings on the controversial operation as early as July 2010, nearly a year before he claimed to Congress to have known about the gunwalking program. While the Justice Department claims that "Holder misunderstood that question from the committee – he did know about Fast and Furious – just not the details," the video of the May 4 committee meeting suggests otherwise.
Do you think the media coverage of Holder's lie to Congress will be as minimal as their coverage of the Solyndra scandal? Let us know your thoughts in the comments.
Last night, CBS News aired a segment summarizing the case and the latest findings:
Do you think the story will have much traction with the media? Or will they accept Holder's weak excuse that he didn't know the details of the program and let him off the hook?
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*happy dance*
Submitted by kata on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 10:37am.
I hope he goes to jail. But no, I think this has about as much traction as Roseanne Barr dipped in mayonnaise set free on the Rockefeller Center Ice Skating Rink.
Hold'em should allready BE in
Submitted by killa37 on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 12:51pm.
Hold'em should allready BE in jail - like most of the rest of the Obama REGIME, he's a criminal and a total liar..........and he was like that BEFORE he became AG, just like the others. This guy is as greasy and as sleazy a vermin as anyone around him - and that's saying something!!!!
"How Will Media Cover Eric
Submitted by Pinetree3 on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 11:15am.
"How Will Media Cover Eric Holder and Fast and Furious?"
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He has "skin-of-color." Need I say more?
Just another half-breed (like
Submitted by killa37 on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 12:54pm.
Just another half-breed (like his boss) who's trying to act 'black', and he proved it big-time by letting the Philadelphia Black Panther thugs off the hook for their voting booth intimidations - in the name of 'racial justice'.
At some point the media will
Submitted by MrSnuggles on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 11:16am.
At some point the media will jump all over this simply because they dont want it to be an October surprise right before the election. So they will bring it up, brush it aside, and pretend its all over with.
MrSnuggles,
Submitted by Agnostic on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 11:21am.
They will bring it up when they have a plausible way of sweeping it under the rug. Until then they will be quiet or call it part of the GRWC by whatever name the media is using today.
Obama will blame Bush and all
Submitted by hern2430 on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 11:29am.
Obama will blame Bush and all will be good.
They already have.
Submitted by Fredy on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 11:34am.
CBS was 'leaked' this information to circumvent Issa's committee.
As for further coverage, there will be none. They have already covered as much of it as they want to.
Look for a surprised report when Holder resigns and a tribute to all of the wonderful things Holder accomplished in office.
MSM
Submitted by djaymick on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 12:18pm.
The MSM will take all the Democratic talking points and accept them as fact. The Justice Department told CBS News that the officials in those emails were talking about a different case started before Eric Holder became Attorney General. So, the media will begin with their usual talking point of blame Bush. They'll see how far that will go. Then they will go with this. Here’s Fox’s segment on the new docs. The key bit is at the end, where they say a former DOJ official familiar with Holder’s operation told them he receives dozens of memos a week and doesn’t always read them. Then they will pray it will go away.
The problem is as each day passes, the bigger the problem becomes. Now that both ABC and CBS has addressed it, if they don't follow up, people will go to Fox or other outlets that cover it. And the Democrats will see their Hispanic voters disappear as they cover it up. (Great video for Crossroads in the California area)
Three D's of Democrat coverage: dodge, deflect & deflate.
Submitted by drsamherman on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 12:30pm.
We have already seen MSNBC try to deflate the issue by saying there is nothing there, as they have maintained about Solyndra. Next they will try to deflect the issue by the usual blather about this is for a greater good to get rid of guns, etc. The final act will be a dodging dance worthy of a flamenco dancer on LSD and a Ritalin overdose. Lots of stomping and clicking to provide cover, but in the end this administration MUST answer for the growing number of deaths attributed to the tragic fiasco on both sides of the border. The Obama administration, always hypocritical in the penultimate, has more than demonstrated its willingness to simply ignore laws it finds inconvenient to its left-wing agenda. What is more troubling is this coming on top of calls for less democracy and the optics created by the confluence of the Al-Awlaki incident with Fast & Furious and the coming rationing of medical resources from health care "reform". Life is very cheap to the Obama administration.
From the "You can't make this stuff up" department....
Submitted by motherbelt on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 1:23pm.
The split personality Wall Street occupation:
First they claim they are anarchists
Then they call for totalitarian government.
But isn't that how it always is with revolutionaries? They yell "Power to the people!!" until they are in charge, then it's "To hell with the people!!"
if I could add this one...
Submitted by kata on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 1:29pm.
Don't say it bro. Don't say it!
So true kata!!!
Submitted by BEGRUNT on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 2:45pm.
I mentioned this in another thread....these are the spoiled rich kids of the 60's hippies, now coming of age. Running their mouths, spouting "social justice" nonsense, absolutely NO real world experience, expecting everyone else to pick up the tab for them. That is until mommy and daddy run out of cash, and they have to get a real job!! These are the first people who will perish during a catastrophe, since they cant do ANYTHING for themselves.......like a herd of cattle!
"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"
Cicero
quote worthy :
Submitted by kata on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 2:54pm.
"I think if you put every single left wing cause into a blender and hit power - this is the sludge you'd get."
oh and Jimmy Kimmel has no shame
Good one kata!!!
Submitted by BEGRUNT on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 3:05pm.
That really sums it up, doesnt it?
"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"
Cicero
One of our fellow parishioners has a daughter....
Submitted by drsamherman on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 4:04pm.
...involved in the protests on Wall Street. She is the most spoiled, petulant and childish brat I ever met. She went to the protests just to spite her parents, and made the decision to go only because they shut off her credit cards and her allowance after she told them she had been kicked out of UT Austin for not making grades. What we her major, you ask? Well it was political science, of course. Now that she is at the protests, her parents basically told her not to come back.
You can tell most of these protesters are spoiled rotten trust-fund brats who have never known hunger, poverty or distress. They never had to work for a damned thing and they are angry the gravy train ended with the financial meltdown. They belong to the generation whose only value is the entitlement poisoning from bad parenting. They could care less about the plight of others, such as those in the true third world. Their only concern is sticking it to mom and dad because their allowances were shut off. They fit right in with the worthless dope and cringe meme from the bat-eared Messiah.
Doc Sam
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 7:19pm.
It sounds as if they are good parents. Sometimes you just can't fight society and what kids are exposed to in college. With any luck, the lack of funds will wise her up really soon.
EXTREE- EXTREE
Submitted by MacWell on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 7:44pm.
It's even worse than that BEGRUNT. These are the same people who have been professional students all their lives. Many of them have PHD's in skill gaining subjects like philosophy, women studies, black studies, motion sickness studies, etc. That is why they're still living with mom and couldn't qualify to work in Mickey D's. Many have spent their entire lives in the classroom and think the letters after their names should grant them a living. I imagine a great number will go through life never having had a job. In the 60's we were taken in by the sex drugs and rock n roll. The protests we staged in Golden Gate Park were mostly for show. Imho, the whole movement was highjacked by the yippies and Abby Holfman. These guys had an agenda, and it wasn't good. These useful idiots were convinced that Marxism is da bomb, and capitalism was the enemy. Most of the good kids, who were there to experience the crowds of like minded young people and just have fun, left in late 67 when it all went to hell.
Oh. My. Gawd. We're talking grapes for brains.
Submitted by motherbelt on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 4:04pm.
Listen to the one girl....we can do this, we can win this. (Do waht? Win what?)
We can take Wall Street!!
Really? What does "take Wall Street" mean, exactly? Or even vaguely?
And once you "take Wall Street" what the hell do you intend to do with it?
Oh. My. Gawd. We're talking grapes for brains.
Submitted by motherbelt on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 4:12pm.
Listen to the one girl....we can do this, we can win this. (Do what? Win what?)
We can take Wall Street!!
Really? What does "take Wall Street" mean, exactly? Or even vaguely?
And once you "take Wall Street" what the hell do you intend to do with it?
"And once you "take Wall
Submitted by stratman on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 5:46pm.
Look to one of the quintessential domestic terrorist groups in modern history, for which this idiots are both modeled on and manipulated by - the Weather Underground - for the logical final solution of these punks:
Marxism did not engulf Sino-Soviet countries immediately upon Marx's Communist Manifesto. It took ~70 years from the time Marx published until the beginning of the Soviet empire in 1917. Infiltration of believers in various key industries and public offices and their incremental application of ideology and resultant manuipulations were needed for a successful coup.
The same is happening in America, beginning with the Progressives of the early 20th Century and accelerated by the 60's radicals and their supporters who currently hold positions of influence, and will eventually be successful if we do not treat even the imbeciles of this Wall Street crapfest seriously. The ideologically faithfull in positions of power/influence may not be attending the protests but they continue to manipulate others, especially indoctrinating the young, to build for a tipping point time.
Our Founding Fathers recognized the precariousness of the Republic and the requirement to safeguard our way of life from the tyrannical nature inherent in humans.
Ronald Reagan
40th president of US (1911 - 2004)
That girl's Mother
Submitted by MacWell on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 7:54pm.
That girl's Mother should've taken advice from your nick "motherbelt".
As a child I "rarely" listened the first time. needless to say, I got my share of whippins. To this day, I'd rather have 4 whuppins from my dad, to 1 from mom. She was no one to fool with, especially if one was a child. Cousin, niece, nephew, it didn't matter, if you misbehaved, and wouldn't repent, you got a whuppin.
You nailed that one,
Submitted by killa37 on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 1:35pm.
You nailed that one, MB.............and I've seen and heard it with my own ears - many times!!! I remember having a conversation, before the election, with a lib acquaintence of mine. He told me 'Obama is my man'....................but qualified it by saying that he is actually an 'anarchist'. I pointed out the 180 degree difference in what he just said - but he didn't want to hear it.
And I still don't know why I can't post a comment on my own!!! I don't have a 'add new comment' button OR a box to write in!!!!
A friend of mine is the same
Submitted by James2306 on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 11:37pm.
A friend of mine is the same way he just has an answer he supports dems because he believes they will cause the fall of america faster. He actually said that to me when I asked him how he could support what they do.
Pacifism is a luxury bought with the blood of the valorous
MSM is not about to peel Eric Holder like an onion.
Submitted by Gary Hall on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 2:07pm.
Here's how the LA Times headlined their story today (print edition headline):
To be fair, Times staff writer Richard Serrano has covered the story, from early on. It's pretty good coverage for the LAT's. However, both in the story and the caption of the accompanying picture of Holder - he is presented as "hedging," on the issue of what and when he knew. "Appears to be lying," would seem to be more accurate.
And, the closing paragraph(s) (always read that first, for what the writer wants to leave the reader with):
MSM is always quick to offer up the defense - for their own.
Secondly, there always the other issue with the MSM, when the target is a Democrat, as opposed to a Republican.
The story is still being told (always is, when the bad guys are Democrats) via a 3rd person POV . . "investigators say. . " -- "Republicans (or, GOP) are charging that . . "
When it's a Republican that is in the spotlight - the editors put the staff to work - and the story is out to get 'em. They find the evidence - the witnesses - the experts - and they tell the story in first person. "We uncovered. . . "-- "It appears that . ." --
In fact, Tim Rutten, a very liberal former staff opinion columnist at the LA Times, wrote the most revealing piece about how they dropped the ball on the John Edwards scandal. This applies universally, I'd say:
Like Slyndra, AG Eric Holder will not appear to be an onion to the national MSM. Why? He's a Democrat.
(;~/ gary
Obama invokes Reagan, again.
Submitted by kata on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 4:52pm.
It started at ThinkProgress Sept 30th and found it's way into the President's speech today.
So what loopholes will the American Jobs Act close? Well ... two.
The USDA and the Rise of the Lemon NAZIs
Submitted by Dave. on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 4:59pm.
This is friggin' unbelievable.
Then again, given the tyrannical nation we are becoming, it is really quite believable.
And becoming far too common.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Gardens
Submitted by jon_torlin on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 5:07pm.
It'll start with lemon trees, then people who would DARE grow their own vegetables in their backyard garden, especially those that live out in the country.
It's a war against self-sufficiency, but then again, that's what Marxism is all about. They hate independence.
-Jon
sigh..
Submitted by kata on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 5:45pm.
After I gave away all my extra zucchini, tomatoes and summer squash I promised I would turn over a new leaf ... I hate to admit it but I am in possession of an untagged indoor lemon tree.
Seriously, these trees apparently have to be USDA approved and come with a tag (not sure if mine ever did?). There are states where it is actually illegal to buy citrus from. Yes, the USDA has an entire website devoted to citrus. And yes, USDA agents will come knock on your door and take away your tree if you purchased from a non certified grower. What a burdensome mess. I wonder how much is truly for our safety and how much is pressure from special interest lobbies.
Lemon trees
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 8:04pm.
What if someone does the unthinkable, and grows a lemon tree from a seed?
Rad, LOL - You would probably get busted for seeds
Submitted by Dave. on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 8:29pm.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Maybe they could put a lemon tree in Holder's office...
Submitted by Dave. on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 7:47pm.
...and then send an FDA SWAT team after him.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Why is the focus only on the one Gun running project?
Submitted by Mutantone on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 5:05pm.
Operation Gunrunner–in which the government authorized the sale of weapons with the intent of letting these weapons fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels, which were used to Kill an American border agent.
Operation Castaway–in which the government authorized the sale of weapons knowing they would fall into the hands of Honduran gangs, such as MS13 and the Mara Salvatrucha and the rival Mara 18, An estimated 20,590 people died violently here in the last five years, according to the Madrid-based nonprofit Observers of Violence in massive shoot outs to control the drug industry.
Project Gangwalker the ATF and the DOF allowed the straw purchases of weapons which eventually ended up in the hands of United States gang members in Indiana” Operation Community Shield,” individuals are from El Salvador, three are from Mexico, one is from Honduras and one is from Haiti. ICE said the individuals are members or associates of the following street gangs: MS-13, Sur-13, and Zoe Pound. Charged in connection with the shooting of an Indianapolis police officer last week are gang members, the Marion County Prosecutor's Office Gonzalez-Ramirez is a member of the Puros Vatos Locos street gang, and Taboada-Perez is a member of the SCT-13 gang. Both have tattoos that express allegiance to those gangs, authorities said. and other weapons have been found at crime scenes in that state and surely have spread out from there to other gangs.
Now picture gang bangers in armed flash mobs, And just where did that army that Obama formed disappear to?
Add to that a state governor that thinks there should be no elections for two years until the congress can fix the problems they are facing. And Obama does not think that Americans understand democracy as well as he does.
It all leads to the UN small arms treaty that Hillary signed off on all to disarm the American populace.
And all these are now excesses to suspend the second amendment rights of the citizens.
It all sounds treasonous to me
HPV caused throat cancers
Submitted by stratman on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 6:04pm.
HPV caused throat cancers increased 72% from 1988 to 2004.
Just how much of this is due to William Jefferson Clinton sexscapades with Monica Lewinsky imprinting on American youth that oral sex, the presumptive cause of the HPV-related throat cancers, was both "not sex" and no big deal. There certainly was a current of thought in youth that oral sex was not "sex" and OK to do following Clinton's perjured testimony. How much is due to Leftist attitudes towards underage sex and promiscuity in general?
Epitome Of A Politician
Submitted by stratman on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 6:21pm.
Received this in an email today. Probably related to the new PBS - Ken Burns documentary Prohibition.
"My friends, I had not intended to discuss this controversial subject at this particular time. However, I want you to know that I do not shun controversy. On the contrary, I will take a stand on any issue at any time, regardless of how fraught with controversy it might be. You have asked me how I feel about whiskey. All right, here is how I feel about whiskey:
If when you say whiskey you mean the devil's brew, the poison scourge, the bloody monster, that defiles innocence, dethrones reason, destroys the home, creates misery and poverty, yea, literally takes the bread from the mouths of little children; if you mean the evil drink that topples the Christian man and woman from the pinnacle of righteous, gracious living into the bottomless pit of degradation, and despair, and shame and helplessness, and hopelessness, then certainly I am against it.
But, if when you say whiskey you mean the oil of conversation, the philosophic wine, the ale that is consumed when good fellows get together, that puts a song in their hearts and laughter on their lips, and the warm glow of contentment in their eyes; if you mean Christmas cheer; if you mean the stimulating drink that puts the spring in the old gentleman's step on a frosty, crispy morning; if you mean the drink which enables a man to magnify his joy, and his happiness, and to forget, if only for a little while, life's great tragedies, and heartaches, and sorrows; if you mean that drink, the sale of which pours into our treasuries untold millions of dollars, which are used to provide tender care for our little crippled children, our blind, our deaf, our dumb, our pitiful aged and infirm; to build highways and hospitals and schools, then certainly I am for it.
This is my stand. I will not retreat from it. I will not compromise."
"...1952 speech by Noah S. "Soggy" Sweat, Jr., a young lawmaker from the U.S. state of Mississippi, on the subject of whether Mississippi should continue to prohibit (which it did until 1966) or finally legalize alcoholic beverages."
Very good,
Submitted by Boudin on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 6:57pm.
And a perfectly fitting nickname "Soggy"
The SCM will start reporting the Dear Ruler's brewing scandals
Submitted by Dave. on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 8:44pm.
...when the DNC has finally decided this fraudulent POTUS has to go.
And I am starting to see signs they are moving in that direction.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Better hurry up!
Submitted by jon_torlin on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 11:04pm.
I'm getting tired of waiting and it had better happen soon. The country is running out of time, it might not be soon enough.
-Jon
Cain catches Romney
Submitted by GregE on Tue, 10/04/2011 - 9:35pm.
Awesome.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20115655-503544.html
Stedman is a good little soldier...
Submitted by bigdaddy on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:14am.
....following orders...