Open Thread: Why Did Obama Walk Out on Debt Negotiations?
Two days after Anderson Cooper described President Barack Obama as the "adult" in a room of unruly Republicans, Obama reportedly stormed out of a heated discussion on debt negotiations yesterday due to his frustration with House Majority Leader Eric Cantor.
Also yesterday came a stern reminder from House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi that the president has repeatedly listened to the concerns of Congress but that "nobody can out debate him." Check out a video of Pelosi's remarks after the break, and let us know what you think of Obama's actions in the comments.
According to Politico, the debt negotiation drama came after a bitter debate between Obama and Cantor.
“He shoved back and said ‘I’ll see you tomorrow’ and walked out,”House Majority Leader Eric Cantor(R-Va.) told reporters in the Capitol after the meeting. [...]
When Cantor said the two sides were too far apart to get a deal that could pass the House by the Treasury Department’s Aug. 2 deadline — and that he would consider moving a short-term debt-limit increase alongside smaller spending cuts — Obama began to lecture him.
“Eric, don’t call my bluff,” the president said, warning Cantor that he would take his case “to the American people.” He told Cantor that no other president — not Ronald Reagan, the president said — would sit through such negotiations.
Democratic sources dispute Cantor’s version of Obama’s walk out, but all sides agree that the two had a blow up. The sources described Obama as “impassioned” but said he didn’t exactly storm out of the room.
A Democratic aide furthered the Anderson Cooper line in regards to Cantor, saying, "This is just more juvenile behavior from him and Boehner needs to rein him in, and let the grown-ups get to work.”
While the two accounts of Obama's exit from the room don't quite match up, both are in contradiction to Pelosi's remarks that Obama has been incredibly patient in listening to the concerns of Congress.
What are your thoughts on Obama's actions and the Democratic approval of them?
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Comments
Some "adult"...
Submitted by Chris Norman on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 10:29am.
Is an "adult" someone who let's the liberal children have everything they want? "Sure, kids, we'll just get Visa to increase the limit on the ol' credit card and we'll keep on charging". Some "adult".
An adult, especially one who
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 10:29am.
An adult, especially one who is the President of the United States, does not walk out of a room like the way Obama did.
Odumbo is showing more and more the petulant child that he is.
Scuba Dude: Exactly correct!
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 10:55am.
And although the botox-meister Pelosi believes that no one can out debate him, his lack of experience in negotiating with seasoned political veterans brings his temper tantrums to the forefront... I mean it must be terribly frustrating for him to have to "deal" with people who aren't buying into his "I can walk on water" shtick.
Side note: While watching the Pelosi video, I couldn't help but noticing those are pretty attractive chairs around the table... as for what Madam Botox was saying, I have no idea, just tuned her out.
- Grump :o)
better comparison
Submitted by jon_torlin on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:09am.
Here's a better comparison.
Screw you guys!
That's what I thought of when I heard about this this morning.
-Jon
The incompetent stooge
Submitted by NotFondOfLibs on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 10:31am.
Obama's behavior is consistent with someone who has no arguing or debating points and is incapable of addressing an issue head on unless HE gets his way. He walks away from anyone who has the facts and challenges him. The Republicans should stand their ground and not give this jerk one inch of maneuvering ground.
Obama, incapable.
Submitted by dennyf51 on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:08am.
But I thought the messiah could do no wrong, he is the ONE. Personally, in regards to your comment, NotFond, I think he would be the perfect replacement talking head for MSLSD's nightime lineup in 2013. I'm sure when tingles finds out obumblebutt has lost the election, the tingle up his leg will turn into a bullet to his brain. Not being able to have a reasonable conversation with someone that disagrees with him would be the perfect replacement for Chris.
I think I'm starting to get a tingle up my leg for Nancy, she is so hot, and if I were able to coerce her into bed, she'd be telling everyone I have a 12 inch Anthony W., she is such a good liar. Oooh baby.
i believe he did. He is just
Submitted by ricklail on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 10:31am.
i believe he did. He is just like the kid that takes his ball and goes home if the doesn't like the rules.
Obama was an overindulged
Submitted by Gat New York on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:04am.
Obama was an overindulged child who was brought up to believe that whatever he did was right and that everyone else was wrong - that he was better than anyone. He never learned humility.
Every crisis situation he has been involved with repeats this narrative and constantly places him in trouble. The only way out is media bias.
What has further undercut the media is the NY Times book review that Obama lied about his mother being rejected by CIGNA because of a pre-existing condition (cancer). CIGNA documents say that everything was paid for.
What is becoming evident to American people, despite the media, is that Obama lacks mature management abilities and is, himself, extremely immature in his dealings.
Pres. "I Won" Does NOT like
Submitted by amyshulk on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 10:32am.
Pres. "I Won" Does NOT like dissent!!! Oh to be in charge like in China sez he.
Ronald Reagan
I knew there was a motive for
Submitted by ricklail on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 10:34am.
I knew there was a motive for Fast and Furious, more gun laws
I see now there is a motive behind all this talk about child obesity. They want to take your kids away.
Why Is He Angry?
Submitted by iveseenitall on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 10:39am.
The child is clearly frustrated because he's being forced to WORK for a change. After all, he had to cancel a vacation, stop the planning for his upcoming birthday party, call his hoop budies and cancel a pick-up game, on and on. Remember, he said he'd rather be figuring out the NFL lockout than working on the nation's economy. The adolescent loser just can't take the "pressure" any more. Oh, for the days of street activism and agitating in Chicagoland,eh, Barry.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal" (progressive)
Obama's handlers see this as his defining moment
Submitted by Galvanic on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 10:53am.
The DNC and Obama's handlers need the voters to forget the Stimulus and Obamacare, because no matter how much spin they've applied and how much finger-pointing they've aimed at the Republicans, the polls show that the voters haven't been swayed. The Far Left wants Obama to put the GOP in its place.
So, this is the opportunity and the stage is set. Obama knows that if he is perceived as losing this moment, his re-election chances are doomed, so he provides a lot of melodrama for the Left and the MSM to establish himself as the only firewall between the American public and Republican nation-wrecking.
And so far, that plan appears to be working well with the MSM, though it's too early to gauge the impact on the voters.
Don't forget that the model for this gamesmanship is Clinton, who managed to convince a majority of Americans that it was Gingrich and the Republican Congress that shut the government down, rather than his veto of the Federal budget bill. And that image persists today.
Is Obama as slick as Clinton? Can he pull it off like Clinton did? I think we're find out between now and August 2.
This is the "adult" in the room?
Submitted by Jake6 on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 10:35am.
Heaven help us.
WHY?
Submitted by danbo on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 10:37am.
Narcissistic personalities get nasty when people don't feed their ego.
"You lie!" Rep. Joe Wilson R-(SC)
Why did he leave?
Submitted by Prester John on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 10:39am.
Simple, he had to help Michelle and the DNC plan his birthday party.
"Obama hits Chicago for 50th birthday fund-raisers at the Aragon"
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2011/07/obama_hits_chicago_for_50th_bi.html
Yes, you too can also spend up to $35,800 to spend a evening celebrating BHO's 50th birthday.
"Stupid people are ruining America"
Herman Cain 2012
The "big" party occurs a day
Submitted by jkwtrading on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:16pm.
The "big" party occurs a day after the supposedly collapse and default. Now wouldn't that look sooo grand...
It's the Liberal way of doing things
Submitted by IgnatzJFahrquar on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 10:40am.
Don't like it or can't get your way? Throw a tantrum and walk out. Just like the Libs in Wisconsin did.
Maybe Oblahblah can follow suit and leave the Country ... Kenya maybe ... and stay there for good.
Nancy paints a pretty picture with her BS
Submitted by ekslib on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 10:41am.
But most of us can see right through her BS and grasp the truth.
It's heartening to know that so many people are fully aware that Obama acts like a spoiled child.
Anyone who wants to comment on Obama's behavior can add to the impressive list of what #makesobamacry on Twitter.
Adult?
Submitted by Curly on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 10:41am.
The adults are trying to save this country!
Make him a Republican and .................................
Submitted by Tomorama on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 10:43am.
Impassioned is the key word here.
The meme by the LSM needs to be that "he cares about us" and he is passionate about our concerns.
Story at 11:00 on every network except one, which will have some that agree with the WH meme and some that don't.
I think it was planned and on cue for the huckster, charlatan, grown-up crybaby.
Petulant, pompous and an absolute pu**y.
He has never been told NO in his life and for whatever reason he has also been told how uh, uh, uh, uh, uh uh, great he is based on NOTHING.
Cantor can out debate the huckster because he knows what he is talking about, Obambi is pre-programmed and teleprompted, MANCHURIAN presentdent (no cap deserved ever).
Obama kool aids
Submitted by AgentAmerican on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 10:46am.
The more frequent he displays his petulant attitude towards life in general, his worshippers and admirers proportionately look asinine. Yesterday, I seen an Obama sticker fading and cracking on a Prius parked outside a Starbucks in the hot summer sun. That was very metaphoric of his presidency; fading and cracking.
"I'm Al Capone... I'm Al Capone"
Submitted by iveseenitall on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 10:56am.
They dragged Al out of court screaming after his conviction. We better be careful. At the next meeting, they might be dragging Barry out yelling, "I'm Barack Obama... I'm Barack Obama". The guy's immature narcissism is on display for all to see.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal" (progressive)
President Hissypants should
Submitted by celator on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 10:52am.
President Hissypants should be barred from these budget discussions. He can't get his way, and so he's gonna hold his breath until he turns blue. We don't have time for that level of spoiled brat stupidity.
He's already starting
Submitted by UpNorth on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:03pm.
to turn purple. He should just sit over at the kid's table where he belongs.
Important Message from Obama's BLUFF
Submitted by AMR1960 on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 10:54am.
Hey Cantor!
Are you calling me? Didn't Obama warn you? You best not call me!
Listen to what Obama says, and thank him for warning you…
Signed Obama's Bluff
_____________________
Long Live...THE REPUBLIC !
did anyone see or hear BHO in his debating Class-
Submitted by JIMMY1660 on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 10:55am.
I didn't think so.
He is one of the few who passed that course without taking the class.
World class Fraud.
And you Liberals bought his nonsense.
BHO is a joke-Taking a plumber on board the shuttle to work-is the same thing as the "community organizer" becoming POTUS- very good at one, little short on the other-who kissed the frog and became Pres.
ANY class?
Submitted by iveseenitall on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:07am.
Has anyone reported seeing Barry in ANY class? I remember having a basketball star in my college class ( a theology class, no less). He showed up on the first and the last day. He got an A for the course. (true story). Barry's a puppet at best, the Manchurian Candidate at worst. Sad.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal" (progressive)
ISIA, I had the same thing,
Submitted by UpNorth on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 7:28pm.
a b-ball player on the team who had 3 classes with me. He only ever appeared at the phys ed class on reffing basketbal. Go figure.
As for Barry, I have yet to see a story on anyone who had a class with him, had a meal with him, or dated him or saw him, in college.
Oh, he so hates it
Submitted by packman on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 10:56am.
when they just won't let him be the dictator he wants to be. When the President of the United States walks out of a meeting with Congressional representatives in anger, he shows his true colors. No talent, no plan, no substance! Exactly like a kid who takes his ball & glove and walks off the field when he can't get his way. Why oh why so many people love this dumbo I will never understand. I'll tell you what his plan is for America - its called "bupkes!" as in "nothing, nada, zilch! I'm gettin' my new bumper sticker, "NOBAMA 2012!"
"...Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want bread..." ~Thomas Jefferson
Times Are Changin'
Submitted by bmac32 on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 10:57am.
Isn't this the same clown that said raising the debt was mismanagement on the part of others and voted AGAINST raising the debt ceiling? Isn't this the same clown who gave us "Cash for Clunkers" took over GM and Chrysler, forced OmamaCare on us while taking money from Medicare to fund his plan. Here's to hoping Cantor and others hold and force cuts without raising taxes on the American people.
You think that someone "whip-smart"
Submitted by Quasi-socialist on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 10:58am.
would know better than to say "Don't call my bluff", suggesting that it actually is a bluff. Of course a bluffer does not want people to call his bluff and when you say "my bluff" you're actually owning it.
In honesty it is simply no more than bad phrasing. I'm not even going to go the "Freudian slip" route of liberals that like to commandeer peoples words and meanings. Despite the advisability of saying "Don't think you're calling my bluff" or "Don't go all in because you think you're calling my bluff", this is just about as damning as many "Bushisms" that the left used to amuse themselves with. It's still fun, if nettling to libs, to speculate what he might have meant by "my bluff"...
Soooo...
Submitted by retrocon on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 10:58am.
A guy with zero experience managing anything except his own image, get's control of the largest budget in the known universe, fails miserably at managing it, and blames everyone else for his own incompetence.
And exactly WHO didn't expect this???
But seriously, he knows exactly what he is doing, he has the propaganda machine on his side.
And remember, he wants a crisis so that he can use that to his electoral advantage, and sell more socialist fixes that might be very difficult to undo.
The "tell" was his "but" in the ....
Submitted by Kenyon Schraeder on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 10:58am.
... comment "This may bring my presidency down, but I will not yield on this".
Now we know for sure that he is well aware of the consequences that HE faces and that in spite of it, he remains unwilling to actually negotiate a practical solution that is not just bi-partisan but also best for our Country. Some would call it gutsy determination. Most will see it as him living up to the assessment that he has regarded himself, quite favorably all along, as being more of a dictator than a President.
He's bluffing
Submitted by jon_torlin on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:16am.
The big thing that's pretty dumb is where he's bluffing and he says he's bluffing.
I was like "are you kidding me, you're telling your opponents you are bluffing, and you expect them NOT call your bluff??" That NPD is getting worse by the day it seems.
-Jon
Extemporaneously, as in "without a teleprompter" ...
Submitted by Kenyon Schraeder on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:33am.
... he's terribly ineffective at communicating his thoughts, ideas and strategies. GWB used to get routinely castigated for his malapropisms but this man truly has him beat. And, GWB wasn't vain about the ribbing. This man becomes genuinely angry and positions himself as being better than those he serves.
I think it's because he grew up so insulated from the reality that most Americans know and also because he never had a legitimate job, one with co-workers, a boss, a management hierarchy, an employee handbook, etc.
We're dealing with
Submitted by hbnolikeee on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:42am.
a freaking spoiled brat, no more no less.
I love how Barry says he'll
Submitted by AJ on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:10am.
I love how Barry says he'll "listen", but that's all he does.
He has the typical liberal of attitude of, "yes, my ears are receiving the sound waves from your voice but my superior intellect overrides what you say."
So, "listening" is more like, in one ear and out the other.
Man I hate politicians.
Baby Boy thinks he's the CEO and everyone works for him
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:13am.
Nobody told him in reality he's just the head of one of three divisions.
A little different analogy
Submitted by TheHistorian on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:34am.
He's being told that, as CEO, he has screwed up the company. The Board of Directors is taking away his authority and his credit card. WAAAAAH! Let's take HIS corporate jet next. I'd like to see the President downscale to a G-4 or maybe a G-3. We can't afford the newest model. Next, let's tax him for his "super-duper" health care using his own tax guidelines.
Dennis Prager
Reality bites!
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:43am.
I love it. Eric Cantor is one nasty piece of work. He grew up in the environment of politics (his dad worked for Ronald Reagan as his campaign treasurer)....so the game is ingrained in his very DNA.
I'm not surprised he got Obama's goat.
The next thing "we" need to do at these meetings is to replace Mitch McConnell (right after we strip him and paint a yellow stripe up his back) with Marco Rubio....who actually called Obama "not competent" in his interview with Rush Limbaugh on Monday.
Can you imagine how infuriated Obama would be with Marco sitting across the table from him? Just the sheer presence of a "young, good-looking, articulate (for real this time) up-and-coming political superstar" would make Obama cry. For that matter, let's bring Allen West, too....that way we can add "black" to the aforementioned list.
Note to Harry Reid...if you ask for Cantor to be dismissed, Nanny's gotta go as well. And she's not going to like that!
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Yeah he got Obama's goat!
Submitted by AMR1960 on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:59am.
And you know how bent those "Kenyans" get when their "goats" is "got"...
_____________________
Long Live...THE REPUBLIC !
He's bent all right
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:05pm.
Eric Cantor is exactly right...Obama was childish, and no amount of whining by Harry Reid is going to change that fact.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Just heard on the news that
Submitted by ricklail on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 3:27pm.
Just heard on the news that Dingy Harry said that Cantor does not belong in the room. He must be hitting some nerves. Let's e-mail his office and encourage him to keep it up.
HERE'S THE TRUTH OF WHY HE WALKED OUT......
Submitted by Herbster on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:22am.
Obambi walked out for three reasons:
1. There was no teleprompter to tell him what to say.
2. There was no milk and cookies.
3. Moochelle pulled him out of the meeting.....time for his nap. He gets cranky if he doesn't get a nap. He's put in his crib and smiles as he watches the mobile over head go round and round.
Nancy says "no one can out-debate him"
Submitted by TheHistorian on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:31am.
There are two reasons for that Nancy:
Nancy, you ought to take your talking points and put them on your pineapple or grapes to make them grow. Otherwise, the rest of us call it manure in polite terms. You are a fraud and a failure, and the stupid people of SanFrancisco should be ashamed that they ever voted for your sorry politics.
Dennis Prager
Perhaps the "Adult in room" wet hisself
Submitted by hbnolikeee on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:40am.
and has to go change his diapers.
wetting himself
Submitted by jon_torlin on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:54am.
He got wee-wee'd up.
-Jon
Smoke Break
Submitted by Joe W. on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:41am.
"My Way or the Highway" Obama is on his game yet again. I'm sure he just needed to smoke a "Kool" or two to calm the Presidential nerves after such a hard afternoon of "work". He tried to borrow a smoke from Boehner, but John told him to smoke his own for a change.
He probably ask Bonehead for
Submitted by ricklail on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 3:29pm.
He probably ask Bonehead for a smoke and Bonehead ask him he wanted him to kick his ass to get his lungs started.
Bottom Line
Submitted by Fredy on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:44am.
Obama BLINKED!
Send him a bill with a small amount of debt increase, a small amount of cuts, and a priority list of what to pay first if there are no further debt ceiling increases.
Let Reid and Obama explain WHY that bill is soo bad they need to stop it!
Game, set, and match.
I also noticed that Odumbo is
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:44am.
I also noticed that Odumbo is trying to look more "mature" and "Adult like" by letting his handlers let his gray hair showing.
President Dick?
Submitted by Glenn on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:50am.
President Dick?
More like...
Submitted by AgentAmerican on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:33pm.
president l*mp. A d*ck has more honor and self-respect, and a purpose.
I think Eric . . .
Submitted by rickbren on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:00pm.
called his bluff. Eric had a full house and Barry had a pair of deuces. . .
More like a pair of Dunces
Submitted by AMR1960 on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:11pm.
Are you sure?
With Harry and Nancy in tow, it looks more like "DearLeader" Obama is bluffing with a pair of DUNCES!
_____________________
Long Live...THE REPUBLIC !
Oh my
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:43pm.
Good one!
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
I'm not sure.....
Submitted by almostacowboy on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:55pm.
...that anyone in that room has a "pair".
On Obama's Coat-of-Arms
Submitted by AMR1960 on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:02pm.
Obama styles himself as REGAL…
In keeping with his delusion his Coat-of-Arms would have the following:
A Commode- Because everything he touches turns to fecal matter.
A Box of Kleenex- To dry his eyes, and wipe his nose when he has one of his "wee-wee moments"
The number 1040- To show Obama's love of taxation.
2012 can't arrive soon enough
_____________________
Long Live...THE REPUBLIC !
Timmy's deadline
Submitted by jon_torlin on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:09pm.
Wasn't today the deadline by Turbo-Timmy to have a deal reached? Hm, nothing's happened so far except Obeyme got wee-wee'd up.
And there was talk about doing these negotiations at Camp David, which Boehner turned down, saying "no need." Maybe he is growing a pair and sticking to his guns and will do the right thing after all?
-Jon
Gak, Morning Joe is doing
Submitted by amyshulk on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:16pm.
Gak, Morning Joe is doing their level best to paint this as Pres. "I Won" being the adult - MIKA "Oh, I seriously doubt he lost his temper, I just don't believe it" And anyone notice how she refers/calls on Rattner - she has SUCH distaste in her voice!!!
Sen. McCaskill said "Sen. McConnell has lost his mind" and the pushback was hilarious!!!
Ronald Reagan
Test, test...1, 2, 3
Submitted by bkeyser on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:26pm.
Hmmm. No Access Denied. Phew! Went out on a limb last night; I hope no one was offended.
Not so fast Bk*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 1:10pm.
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Sound like anyone we know?
Submitted by IgnatzJFahrquar on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:33pm.
Diagnostic criteria for 301.81 Narcissistic Personality Disorder
A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:
1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
3) believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
4) requires excessive admiration
5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes
(American Psychiatric Assoc., 2000)
http://cstl-coe.semo.edu/pope/Courses/CP643/case-studies/npd-av-sum09.htm
sub-types
Grandiose/Malignant Subtype
-Exploits others with little regard for their welfare
-Grandiosity appears to be primary rather than defensive or compensatory
-Seething anger
-Interpersonal manipulativeness
-Pursuit of interpersonal power and control
-Lack of remorse
-Exaggerated self-importance
-Feelings of privilege
-Do not suffer from underlying feelings of inadequacy
-Not prone to negative affect states other than anger
-Little insight into their own behavior
-Tend to blame others for their problems
-Have the most problems with substance abuse
-Have the most externalizing behavior (e.g., spouse abuse)
Fragile
-Experience feelings of grandiosity and inadequacy, suggesting alternative cognitive representations of self (superior vs. inferior)
-A grandiosity that emerges under threat, or serves a defensive function, warding off feelings of inadequacy, smallness, anxiety, and loneliness
-Wants to feel important and privileged, and when defenses are operating effectively, he does
-When defenses fail, there is a powerful undercurrent of negative affect and feelings of inadequacy, often accompanied by rage
-Suffers the most by having the poorest global adaptive functioning and the highest co morbidity with major depressive disorder and generalized anxiety disorder with Avoidant, Borderline, and Dependent Personality Disorders and lowest adaptive functioning
High-functioning/Exhibitionistic
-Grandiose
-Competitive
-Attention seeking
-Sexually seductive or provocative
-Has significant psychological strengths (e.g., is articulate, energetic, achievement oriented, interpersonally comfortable)
-The least co morbidity with other disorders
-Highest adaptive functioning
-Tend to use their narcissism as a motivation to succeed
What do you think?
Submitted by StarAZ on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:45pm.
Are we all being played? I wonder.
Top 10 Reasons why Obama walked-out
Submitted by AMR1960 on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:36pm.
# 10 Obama just remembered he had an urgent Tee time.
# 9 Went out looking for TOTUS (they are a team you know)
# 8 Al Gore told him that the CO2 levels in the room were getting dangerously high!
# 7 Left the Nicolette gum on Air Force One
# 6 Chris Matthews was in the bathroom about to have another thrill up his leg
# 5 Was misled--Just another press conference so why prepare
# 4 Text message--Flash Mob meeting @ GOP headquarters to trash the place
# 3 Asked to be excused--it really is a Wee-Wee moment!
# 2 Exit Strategy...I'll show you an Exit Strategy!
And the #1 reason Obama bailed!... _____________________
_____________________
Long Live...THE REPUBLIC !
#1 reason...
Submitted by retrocon on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:54pm.
oooo, that Cantor kid made me poopy.
And the #1 reason Obama
Submitted by Jack Bauer on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 1:15pm.
And the #1 reason Obama bailed!... he had to take a call from Hugo Chavez.
All of the above Mr Obama? --- How about ALL OF THE BELOW, instead.
Let me give you the answer
Submitted by ricklail on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 3:39pm.
Let me give you the answer the libs are giving. It is appropriate that El Presidente leave the room first.
I hate this. I hate it all.
Submitted by falcon on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:42pm.
This political kabuki theater is doing absolutely nothing for our economy, our nation, or our nerves. All of those bozos need to be thrown out of Washington on their ear. It's too bad there is no Constitutional provision for recall of Congressmen or the President. And why the GOP leadership isn't busy preparing Articles of Impeachment instead of debating over budget cuts is beyond me. Remove Obama from office, the economy takes care of itself (after repealing all those pesky Executive Orders).
And as far as the media is concerned, I can certainly do without their bloviating, their obfuscation, their outright lies, and their attempted manipulation of the political environment. In other words, they can go straight to Hades.
“I will not stand by and watch this great country destroy itself under mediocre leadership, that drifts from one crisis to the next, eroding our national will and purpose.” – Ronald Reagan, July 17, 1980.
If this is any indication of
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:45pm.
If this is any indication of how the 2012 debates will go, I am all for it. The GOP ought to hold out for their own moderators and an open ended debate.
Why?
Submitted by Agnostic on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:46pm.
he didn't belong there.
Call his bluff!!! That's all
Submitted by killa37 on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 12:48pm.
Call his bluff!!! That's all it is anyway........and he's admitted it. Oh, and I'm SICK of hearing this petulant posing piece of pre-teen pompousness invoking the name of Ronald Reagan - in ANY way,shape, matter, or form!!! He isn't even qualified to wash RR's dirty socks...............................or serve him coffee!!!
He walked out because that was the script
Submitted by Hawkins on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 1:13pm.
This is more Kabuki. He gets upset with Republicans (wouldn't matter if Cantor were there or not), says they're protecting the people. Invokes Reagan to get populist shine...
then blows his big tough guy line.
He doesn't win on substance he wins on narratives in the media. He knows Boehner and Co. want to be liked by the media, so Obama plays the game.
Barry said himself why he walked out.
Submitted by Ashrak on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 1:47pm.
He is having his bluff called and it becomes more and more self evident daily that not only does he not have the cards, the ones he does have aren't even matching the deck. SO many decks used to build his house of cards have him so confused he cannot keep straight which noes he used when.
The implosion continues.
The Birth certificate forgery and GunWalker are proving inescapable for him, and he knows that things are crumbling around him. Notice Trump back on the horse yesterday? Gee, why do we suppose that is? Why wold Barry make such a scorched Earth comment about not sending out Social Security checks? It is because he knows the round ending bell ringing is a long way off yet and he is being flogged on all fronts. His back is against the ropes and he is being pummeled by his own lies.
Barry knows his time is short.
I enter sweepstakes and
Submitted by amyshulk on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 1:56pm.
I enter sweepstakes and moderate at a sweepstakes site, and just like last time they were fighting/scaring people about withholding checks, everyone is on edge. These are NOT political people, but the fact that they are getting grumpy tells me that the msm is doing a good job of framing this as Armageddon - again!!!
Now, I just heard Barnicle the idiot/plagarizer say of Michelle Bachmann "She wants to tie repealing OBAMACARE to the debt ceiling debate, what a ninny {paraphrase} do 1 thing at a time!!!"
I contend HE is the ninny, and the R's need to STRESS the connection between spending, regulation, and taxes with the raise/no raise of the debt ceiling or as bad as Pres. "I Won" {sorry, can't muster up an ounce of respect for this tool} is at this "game" he WILL win!!!
Ronald Reagan
OK, time to break the pattern
Submitted by StarAZ on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 2:22pm.
You're a doody head, no you are, no... Tiime for a professional facilitator in this Camp David meeting--"Mr Cantor seems to be saying...what do you think on that, Mr Obama?" No more schoolteacher bossing around and posing...Someone trained to gather little scraps of consensus, keep track of what is said...smooth things. People train a long time to do this. What could it cost--A couple thousand a day--we could raise that on this site! Let's get it done.
Lotsa luck proposing THAT to The One, Star
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 2:35pm.
Pass the popcorn.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Blondie, hi!
Submitted by StarAZ on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 3:05pm.
Yeah, you are prob right--it would never work. I would even chip, though, and I am on SS. BECAUSE I am on SS.
In that last stupid press briefing just now, someone said maybe they need a new format--I was screaming, FACILITATOR, FACILITATOR. I heard this was suggested in the Walker thing in Wisc and people said no, our reps are paid to do this...but you know, I think they are getting locked in and need new input.
You may have a point there
Submitted by Blonde on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 3:10pm.
But don't give Obama any ideas....he'll create his fifty fourth debt commission in order to hire a facilitator.
Good grief, this is just insanity.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
WE could say
Submitted by StarAZ on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 3:17pm.
Nah, this is a present from NewsBusters...now get with it.
A Facilitator Czar?
Submitted by UpNorth on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 7:40pm.
I"d prefer to see the R's just bypass Nancy and Dingy, and go right to 0, call his bluff, and then call their own presser.
The WH got caught in another lie, over the don't invite Fox News to the interview, with e-mails and all. The response, oh no we didn't. These people won't tell the truth, even when the truth is already out there.
According to Karl Rowe the
Submitted by ricklail on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 3:45pm.
According to Karl Rowe the other night, the White House Wastrel has taken about everything off the table. The only cuts he wants to make are in defense while he continues his illegal kinetic military action. He actually wants to raise funds to his social programs.
He's doing exactly what
Submitted by mattm on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 4:38pm.
He's doing exactly what Dayton is doing in Minnesota. Look for a federal government shutdown in the near future if the Minnesota shutdown goes as the Demonrats plan.
The republicans, again, need to grow a pair and take these usurpers to the woodshed. Obama can and should be impeached, his forged birth certificate and his illegal war should suffice. As for Dayton, his shutdown was part of a pre-planned campaign strategy to damage republicans for the next election.
Should suffice?
Submitted by jon_torlin on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 5:17pm.
While I agree with what you said, what irks me is that even though you say "it should suffice," at least to those of us around here, apparently the republicans are waiting for something more or making a list, whatever it is, some kind of threshold to be reached before they will even talk about pursuing an impeachment!
Look at Clinton, he got impeached on PERJURY, which pales in comparison to everything we've seen so far by the bogus potus.
You mentioned those two things, add more to that, he committed extortion on TV (threatening checks for SS recipients), someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that a crime? Then his threat to use the 14th Amendment as justification to unilaterally raise the debt limit(does no such thing), dereliction of duty as a Commander in Chief, the border situation(especially after his thing in El Paso), the TSA, the EPA, and a few others.
So with all that, where's the line to cross? That's what's mystifying about the whole thing.
-Jon
With the msm on their side,
Submitted by amyshulk on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 6:28pm.
With the msm on their side, after almost 3 years of "Boooooosh did it/did it 1st, R's are trying to throw granny off the cliff, and raaaaaaaaaaaacism, so that the polls STILL show people blame Bush for what is obviously HIS economy now.
Wanna ensure he gets re-elected? Impeach. They will just ramp up all that bs & it will get turned into "R's are picking on our poor wittle Pres. BAD R's!!! We MUST punish them, take away their power!!!"
Ronald Reagan
Poor L'il Eddy...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 5:38pm.
After Boehner was elbowed out--one surmises for uttering a conciliatory remark--Cantor was getting to play Mr.Tough Guy. I thought the lad was actually going to cry over being dressed down for continuing to resurrect issues which weren't even on the table.
Jer
"I thought the lad was actually going to cry"
Submitted by Newsbubba on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 6:27pm.
Jer, were you referring to Bambi or Snarlee?
Why does Bambi keep having press conferences and meetings to say, "Wait for me. I'm your leader!"? Most people recognize a leader when they see one. Apparently it's not so apparent in this case.
Reminds me of an Officer Efficiency Report a general officer wrote on a 2nd Lieutenant (true story) who was REALLY a lousy officer. All the General wrote was, "Why anyone would follow this officer, except out of sheer curiosity, is beyond me." I kind of feel like that about the Dear Leader(?).
But he's really a good man, and very articulate. After all he wants to "Save the Wails" and "Pray for Whirled Peas." But he really should learn not to say, "Don't call my bluff" when he's bluffing. Guess they didn't teach that at Haaaavud.
NewsBubba...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 6:58pm.
I like the general officer's note--easy to see why he achieved rank.
I read the "bluff" comment as: You think I'm bluffing, junior? Well I suggest you don't call my 'bluff'.
After which, L'il Eddy commenced to whine and stamp his foot.
Jer
Really, Jer?
Submitted by UpNorth on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 7:46pm.
I read it as don't call my bluff, PLEASE.. But then, I don't imagine 0 played much poker in college, at least no one has come forward on that matter, either. And, extortion, Chicago style, doesn't always work.
I know, UpNorth...and
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 7:54pm.
"Either accept our plan or we're voting against raising the debt limit" is just your plain ole garden-variety extortion, universally employed by small-minded folks around the globe.
Jer
Actually, the tried and true
Submitted by UpNorth on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 8:01pm.
"you can propose anything you want, you will NOT cut entitlements, giveaways, and you will increase taxes" is the "plain ole garden variety extortion", practiced by community organizers, and other small-minded folks. Like from the SEIU, UAW and others not necessarily headquartered in Chicago.
You might have a point, UpNorth...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 8:04pm.
if that were Obama's position. Since it isn't, you don't.
Jer
You really have to stop
Submitted by UpNorth on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 8:17pm.
believing what you see and hear over at MSNBC, NBC and the other alphabets, Jer. Other wise, you'll continue to believe that Harry Reid was really awake at the meeting and San Fran Nan isn't hearing impaired by botox treatments. Or, that Barry is capable of telling the truth.
How's that "I never treated Fox any different than any other news outlet" meme working for ya, Jer?
Obama actually---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 8:28pm.
has a position?
Amazing.
MD
Exactly Mat
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:01pm.
Obama whined about the Rebubs not accepting his plan? What plan? oh that super secret plan? That jerk needs to be told we sent folks up there to represent us, NOT to be shut out of more meetings with dimwitted policy makers.
Sorry for the Huffpo
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:36pm.
link, but that's the website granted the interview. It illustrates the risk Obama is running in his continuing efforts to compromise with the Repubs--whose position is: It's our way or the highway.
Jer
Too bad, so sad
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:44pm.
Sucka,
What else you got, Jer?
"The risk"?
Submitted by UpNorth on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:53pm.
Oh Noes..... What risk, he hasn't put anything on the table. How is I don't like your proposal, so I won't make ANY proposal, a risk? And, in the grand scheme of things, apology accepted. I know, for the link. :)
Strange that 0 couldn't grant any interview to a NEWS organization.
Obama's position?
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:30pm.
As of yesterday it was his foot on young Cantor's neck.
Jer
What is this?
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:40pm.
High School?
On the American children's neck is more like it.
And Jer, I always knew you approved!
Interesting Jer*
Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:44pm.
It seems very easy for the media, and the Jerster, to denigrate and dismiss all of the R's plans for a budget. Paul Ryan has presented a lengthy and precise proposal and Boehner has been very specific in his demands.
Can you provide me with a link to Obama's budget proposal? Can you provide information on specifics he has proposed other than raising the debt ceiling and cutting SS from the elderly and disabled?
Can you provide a link to a budget that is only 18 months overdue with a deadline approaching?
No, he cant,
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:51pm.
Know why? Because there isnt any such a thing.
Jer-ster just has faith, that Obama (who has never run and damn thing) knows what he is doing bankrupting us all?
Aint that right Jer?
I so look forward to your, "they do it too argument".
I can't link something that's doesn't exist, cajun....
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 12:02am.
But he has proposed deficit reduction which entails a 4 to 1 ratio in the relationship of spending cuts (with everything being on the table) to revenue producing tax adjustments. That is remarkable for a Democrat--especially one who is denounced around here as a socialist and a Marxist. But the Repubs are so frightened by Grover Norquist and a minority on the Right, they refuse to give an inch. Check out what Tom Coburn has to say about it. And he's about as anti-Keynesian, non-redistributionist as one can be.
Jer
Trying again Jer*
Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 12:15am.
I had a comment that NB didnt post and then kicked me out. Had to log in again. Techs must be sleeping at the keyboards.
I dont wanna hear what Coburn has to say. It is the Dems and the Presidents responsibility to provide a budget proposal and present to congress for debate and a vote. There is no such thing. He drops hints, threats, and promises even the dems contradict. Where is the budget Jer?
Other than tax yacht owners, cut SS/medicare, start a new war, I have heard nor read anything specific about a budget proposal that is his responsibility and lawful obligation.
cajun2
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 12:22am.
I saw it and checked it out--Investment Watch or Investment Daily or something like that. I didn't like it either.
Jer
Wrong thread Jer*
Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 12:32am.
Obama's budget on this thread, Soros's media investments on this thread
Dont confuse me, its late.
sorry, cajun...
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 12:36am.
I was bouncing around so fast I forgot where I was.
Jer
cajun et al...I need to run...
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 12:35am.
But let me emphasize...
a. I don't want Fox News to go anywhere
b. The administration deserves criticism for failure to submit a budget
c. I hope the debt ceiling talks can continue more amicably and productively
d. Here are some interesting thoughts penned about a year ago by David Stockman, Reagan's head of OMB and deficit hawk.re spending cuts and taxes
Jer
Hey, here's a thought on the "4 to 1"
Submitted by UpNorth on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 12:29am.
alleged cuts. The Senate dems want to cut 3 dollars from the Defense Dept, for every dollar cut from the waste and bloat in the rest of the ENTIRE federal budget. And without touching Medicare, Medicaid and SS. SO, what exactly will they cut?
Let's see, the Dem's Senate plan would cut the size of the Federal vehicle fleet by 20%? Hmmm, what about all those Chevy Volts they promised to buy? Cut the travel budget of Federal Agencies by 20%, again, what about those Chevy Volts? Or, will the employees have to fly coach now? And cut printing costs? Wow!! That's just terrific.
Meanwhile the Army, Navy, Marines and Air Force, who, by the way, are mandated to be maintained, take the biggest hit of all. Who cares if the SEALS might be on their 6th deployment overseas, Obama doesn't want to pay them, anyway. But, keep that 767 in reserve, maybe Pelousy will be back in the Speaker's chair in '12? And, stock the bar and charge it to the Defense Department.
I'll give you one, if you'll give me one.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 8:40pm.
I'll agree that Cantor is a small minded, self absorbed, SOB, if you'll agree that Bambi is exactly the same except with way more power to do significantly more damage to our great nation.
They remind me of two guys I watched in a bar one night chest bumping and threatening each other for about 20 minutes, until I finally suggested to them that the either beat the shiite out of each other or shut the hell up so the rest of us wouldn't have to listen to them any longer.
That's when they showed their true colors and shut the hell up and left.
I'm still waiting for a Reagan type on the conservative side to tell these "negotiators" the same thing.
That would have been a good way to say it
Submitted by Quasi-socialist on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 8:04am.
But he didn't. It's a gaffe. And where gaffes used to be as reliable as intelligence tests when Bush was in office--or mispronunciations--they aren't now. That's what I despise in gliberals. Throw chaff, throw chaff, stonewall, guffaw, and then do the one-eighty about how seriousness is required when their guy shows some flaws.
The "smartest kid in the classroom" just said one of the dumbest things I've ever heard anybody say.
I don't know why I say Li'l Eddy instead of Li'l Eric...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 10:37pm.
[well, I'm sure it's name-conflation with the performer Eddy Cantor] but, in any event, here is a photo of Congressman Cantor--proud, confident and statesmanlike--prior to the youngster's tearful, lip-quivering conniption yesterday. But, the WH has invited him back. Maybe he'll behave like an adult next time.
Jer
If he does, and
Submitted by UpNorth on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:16pm.
he and O are alone in the room, that would make one adult in the room. Right, Jer? And it won't be the community organizer.
And, again, you didn't address the lie that the WH was pushing that they didn't exclude Fox from an interview. So, how's about the claim that O didn't walk out? Will we have to wait another 18 months to see the results of another FOIA?
Youngster?
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 12:48am.
He's 48 years old, has been a member of Congress for over ten years (a tad more experience than Bammy, eh?)...and was in the Va. legislature for ten years before that. Oh yeah, and his daddy was Reagan's campaign finance manager. Pretty nice pedigree, you must admit.
Your snide description holds no water, Jer.
Eric Cantor might be a mean little plick, but he's far more experienced than Obama. Smarter, too. He got the best of Obama, not the other way around. Obama's rep for petulance is expanding exponentially. My one sincere hope is that Boehner & McConnell bring both Marco Rubio and Allen West into this little fray, Obama will lose his mind to these two....Marco is younger, prettier, smarter, and both more articulate and more of a rock star than O. Allen West is black and a much bigger badass with his eyes closed and his bedroom slippers on than Obama could ever dream to be.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
J, I'm ready
Submitted by UpNorth on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 12:54am.
for the R's to send a delegation of "mean little plicks" up to the WH. That's all that the petulant, small, narcissus will understand, and the meeting shouldn't take all that long.
I'd be happy to see Cantor, Rubio and West be the only ones to go to the next meeting, along with their respective leaders. Knowing that Ear Leader would just go nuts at that.
I am more in love with Marco & Allen every day
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 1:09am.
On Tuesday, Marco named this emperor with no clothes correctly (in an interview with Rush Limbaugh)....INCOMPETENT.
I saw Allen interviewed today....and the interviewer asked how he could be sure it wouldn't be "politics as usual"...to which he replied "because I'm here".
The Tea Party freshman are not going to allow any grandiose idiot "deal". The Republican powers that be have twigged to that fact. Mitch McConnell can kiss my ass with his deal, it's not going to happen that way. We have another election in sixteen months, and the broom is still hot.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Yes, "Youngster"...
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 12:59am.
a. Cantor acted like a spoiled brat
b. The President, older than Cantor, is constantly derided as "that little boy" by his critics--and that's one of the more complimentary terms
c. And, furthermore, I'm at the age now where anyone less than 50 qualifies as a youngster.
Jer
Give it a rest, Jer
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 1:06am.
You look like an idiot arguing this point. Cantor is not 26 serving his first term, he's a legislator with over 20 years of experience...and Obama is the nOOb in this big boy game. Obviously at a huge disadvantage because his only experience was as a gun holding community organizer, a la Jesse Jackson and Rainbow Push, negotiating with the only weapon in his arsenal as public blackmail. Oops.
Obama is the one acting like a spoiled brat.....remember "elections have consequences, I won"? Well, now we've had another election, and Obama lost.
Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander....Halperin was correct. Obama is acting like a Big Richard.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Blonde...Please don't start issuing orders to me
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 1:12am.
about what and when I should post. That's not your job. And gratuitous name-calling is not particularly constructive either.
Thanks.
Jer
Issuing Orders?
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 1:20am.
Put down your drink Jer.
Done with you.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Well then be done. Maybe
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 1:26am.
Well then be done. Maybe then you'll quit barking orders like "Give it a rest", and posting churlish comments such as "you make yourself look like an idiot....
I didn't attack you.
Jer
btw...I put down my drink 10 years ago and haven't picked it back up since.
"Give it a rest" is barking orders?
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 1:41am.
Your skin is thinner than Obama's.
I notice you didn't address the FACTS I stated....you may not like Eric Cantor, and it's more than obvious that you don't respect him. But the fact IS he is not a "child", and he has FAR MORE experience than Obama in the political arena.
Ignore that at your own peril, and of course, feel free to have your feathers ruffled by FACTS. Oh...and it is a fact that your persistence in characterizing Cantor as such, here, on a conservative site, DOES make you look like an idiot.
I know facts are hard for liberals. But you really ought to try to live in "realville", to *ahem* coin a phrase.
P.S. When I choose to bark orders, you'll know it.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Got it, Blonde...
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 1:53am.
It's okay to refer to the President as a "jug-eared, piece of sh!t SOB, purple-lipped rat bastard commie Kenyan", but calling Eric Cantor a "youngster" is an inexcusable offense which I commit at my peril and risks your REALLY barking orders at me in the future. Because this IS a conservative site, after all.
Is all of that in some recently amended terms of use which I haven't seen yet?
Jer
Kindly show me where I said that.....
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 2:04am.
about Obama. I could very easily point to the incredible Bush nonsense/name calling that the liberal trolls routinely use here, but since you are merely a liberal and a not a troll, I won't stoop to the tactic that you just used.
However, I digress. I see you are still refusing to acknowledge the FACT that Cantor is an extremely accomplished legislator. But the fact that you incessantly referred to Cantor as a "youngster" and were therefore called out on it, ON A CONSERVATIVE site...seems to befuddle you.
And, of course, "give it a rest" still remains "barking orders" in your lib-land.
If I were you, I'd reconsider your presence here. Thin skinned and whiny isn't a good look. Not on you, not on Obama.
Finally, when I choose to "bark" orders, you'll know it. (Hint...capital letters).
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Well, you are not me. And
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 2:17am.
Well, you are not me. And you also are aware that I have never once posted anything personally disparaging about Bush in the four years I've been here. On the contrary, I've often expressed my admiration for him and the entire Bush family.
In light of your previous responses, I wonder just how thin-skinned your reaction may have been if I had popped up out of nowhere and instructed you to "give it a rest" because you were "looking like an idiot". [Hint: I bet the reaction would have involved quite a few capital letters.]
I think you should review your posts and reconsider your comments. Making demands and name-calling doesn't become you.
Jer
*rolls eyes*
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 2:39am.
I see you are in full deflect mode. How utterly typical.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Well stop rolling them,
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 2:53am.
and get on with your classic...
"Do NOT respond further to me, and do NOT PM me."
That's what makes the point
Submitted by Quasi-socialist on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 11:32am.
You don't want to be judged by 1) what others said about Bush, or 2) to the extent that you are known to vocally censure such expressions. So why bust out what others are saying when you know that it does not have the relevance to everybody just based on their being against Obama?
Is "Youngster" so bad? Perhaps not, but "spoiled brat" goes further. We send young people to Congress. There's even a cachet about electing young presidents , and even "youthful exhuberance" is cited as a needed ingredient in politics. So you either mean something more along the lines of "spoiled brat" or you mean nothing really.
As for saying Cantor acted like a "spoiled brat", is about the same as accusing Obama of "storming off". So your argument is an unfounded "No, you!"?
But, regardless, the difference in your own behavior is precisely what makes the type of argument that one should not be treated as a type, when you already distinguish yourself from that type.
If somebody has to say it than I will: I hope I never stoop to "jug-eared" or even "mom--wearing" to criticize the president of the United States. I also hope to never stoop to mispronunciation and gaffes to indicate the intelligence level of people, which gains nothing in my eyes by not being as crass as "jug-eared" or "chimpy"--because it's just stupid. I also hope never to stoop to gaffe-commandeering like "Bachman idolizes John Wayne Gacy." because that's also stupid. Opportunism is a stupid way to make your point, and a good way to get into a tu quoqueargument down the road when some light on your side proves himself human.
Taking the high road is all---
Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 7:22pm.
well and good; but if you elevate yourself to said status and then criticize others who choose to use "coarser" language or phrasing than you elect to utilize, at that point you have automatically removed yourself to a lesser and lower plane of the "holier than thou" existence you either ascribe or aspire to.
MD
Toasting Cantor with a shot of JD...
Submitted by NevadanConservative on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 2:12am.
Ah... still tastes the same, Jer. The ensuing decade hasn't changed it.
NVCon
"Must I fall to my knees to worship a maniac who is making of my country a concentration camp, my people slaves? Must I kiss the hand that beats me, lick the boot that kicks me? No! Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Amin, Qadaffi, Castro, Hitler... these and countless other tyrants in the depths of time are the cause for which God created hell. I am absolutely sure now that we here now have a new member for such a despicable roster."
NevadanCon...
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 2:20am.
Hey, the Jack Daniels distillery is just down the road from my mom's house. Come and visit sometime. Take the tour. Free samples.
Jer
Obama's maturity
Submitted by JohnK on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 5:55pm.
If you look at the key elements in Obama's character - his understanding of economic systems, his theories of social structure, his approach to foreign policy, his concept as to what it means to be President of the United States, and, now, his petulant attitude in negotiating with tough opponents - Obama is, in all these aspects, the equivalent of a spoiled college sophomore.
Like, whateverrrr, John
Submitted by Newsbubba on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 6:32pm.
I'd say he's closer to a spoiled rotten 16 year old valley, like, girl, you know?
Kind of reminds me of Porky McCain.
Most college sophomores I know are way more mature that Bambi, and very few of them (except the liberals) hold their breath and stomp their feet when they don't get their way, as He does.
Obama's "position"
Submitted by SaguaroJack on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 9:01pm.
Obama's position, and the 'Crats', is not to specify anything to cut, but to wait for the Pubs to do that and then run to the press: "Looky! They wanna starve widows! See what they plan to cut? Heartless!" That's why the 'Crats won't proffer a budget -- which they haven't done in over 800 days, thus breaking the law. Again.
Cantor's standing has gone WAY up during all this. Boehner didn't have a pair to stand up with. Neither did Obama, but after all, as he will readily remind you, he won. You try to show proper respect to a snot like that and it just ratchets up his arrogance.
Conservatives have respectfully stood by and watched Pubs and Dems run the country into the ditch. It's time we banged our fists down and took charge -- with an attitude. That's all the liberal mob has ever respected. The Pubs? They'll obediently follow anybody who tells them what to do, as the Left has been doing to them for 25 years.
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http://www.campanellos.com/de
Submitted by GregE on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 9:30pm.
http://www.campanellos.com/democratic_seal.jpg
The psychiatric term for Ear Leader's little temper tantrum....
Submitted by drsamherman on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 10:03pm.
....is "acute stress disorder"...but I prefer the term "narcissistic hissy fit" instead.
Looks like Obama's venting his frustrations on Fox News.
Submitted by Phryj1 on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 12:16am.
Since the same unscrupulous NotW reporters who worked with the sleazeball p.i. in Britain allegedly tried to get info on 9/11 victims here, Obama and congressional Dems have ordered an FBI investigation into News Corp. This shouldn't be necessary because it's pretty clear British authorities have a handle on the situation -and the 9/11 victims in question were British nationals anyway- so it looks politically motivated.
Speaking of which, has anyone else seen some of the anti-Fox News comments floating around on various other blogs and forums? All kinds of absolutely ghoulish cackling at the very possibility that the FBI investigation may lead to the demise of Fox News, the one TV news outlet that actually bothers to criticize Dems and give conservatives a voice on TV. Am I the only one who finds this immensely disturbing?
Fortunately, there is a way this can backfire badly for Obama and the Dems. This investigation could well be a complete waste of time. Then we'd have a situation where a sitting president and his party are exploiting 9/11 victims and wasting taxpayer resources in a vain effort to silence their most prominent critic and the leading voice of their opposition. Looks disturbingly like fascist thuggery.
If Paul Ryan's plan was a 'gift to the Democrats', the Dems attack on Fox News could well be the GOP winning the lottery.
EDIT: Okay, this is what happens when I go off on a rant after skimming an article. I've just been notified (h/t Jer) that a Republican senator, Peter King, requested the FBI investigation. Which I would've noticed earlier had I actually read the entire article about the FBI probe. Excuse me while I wipe the egg off my face.
Progressives seem to be completely averse to facts and logic. Apparently, reality has a conservative bias.
Barack Obama is a tax and spend socialist who wants to transform
Submitted by Rush Fan on Thu, 07/14/2011 - 11:06pm.
this nation into another European welfare state. Obama can't accomplish that goal by dealing with deficit-cutting Republicans, and especially with a recalcitrant Eric Cantor.
Unless we defeat Obama in 2012, high unemployment and slow growth will be the norm, along with Greece-like demonstrations in the streets, as unions and others on the government dole demand their portion of the shrinking pie.
The Wall Street Journal's Daniel Henninger wrote a piece yesterday titled The Disappearing Recovery, with a subtitle What if the weak recovery is all the recovery we are going to get?
Henninger begins his article with:
Henninger goes on to discuss the thoughts of Robert Lucas, the 1995 Nobel laureate in economics. The dire predictions of Professor Lucas may not be that far off:
US Navy getting tough
Submitted by bkeyser on Fri, 07/15/2011 - 8:08am.
on sexual assault. Some good advice for anyone still living under a rock. (Not my image, btw- courtesy the Daily Caller.)