Open Thread: Leon Panetta Bursts the Left's Waterboarding Bubble
The killing of Osama bin Laden on Sunday has reignited the debate over so-called enhanced interrogation techniques, including waterboarding. Early reports (information is still coming out) indicate that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed released vital information about bin Laden's courier, who eventually led American intelligence forces to the compound where they both were killed. But it's not clear exactly which interrogation techniques led to that information, since it's extremely difficult, if not impossible, to separate out the different interrogation methods and claim that a single piece of informaiton was obtained through this method, but not that one.
Hence the blanket claim that waterboarding did not produce intelligence that led to bin Laden's death is simply un-provable, as CIA Director Leon Panetta, recently tapped by Obama for Secretary of Defense, illustrated in this exchange with Brian Williams:
WILLIAMS: I’d like to ask you about the sourcing on the intel that ultimately led to this successful attack. Can you confirm that it was as a result of waterboarding that we learned what we needed to learn to go after Bin Laden?
PANETTA: You know, Brian, in the intelligence business you work from a lot of sources of information, and that was true here. We had a multiple series of sources that provided information with regards to this situation. Clearly, some of it came from detainees and the interrogation of detainees, but we also had information from other sources as well. So it’s a little difficult to say it was due just to one source of information that we got.
WILLIAMS: Turned around the other way, are you denying that waterboarding was in part among the tactics used to extract the intelligence that led to this successful mission?
PANETTA: No, I think some of the detainees clearly were — you know, they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of these detainees. But I’m also saying that the debate about whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always going to be an open question.
Video and transcript via Jim Treacher.
What are your thoughts on the waterboarding debate as it relates to bin Laden's death? Can it properly be credited with producing actionable intelligence?
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My two cents
Submitted by Tomorama on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 10:40am.
NB staff, that to me is only half the real question.
IF there was no GITMO (where NO enhanced interrogations were done as in Waterboarding) we would not have had a mechanism in place to simply question these nice individuals one on one.
EIT's were used (waterboarding) on three people but not in this country.
Sleep deprivation and dogs barking are not harsh to me (done at GITMO).
Again NO faciliity, and even the questioning of these nice individuals doesn't happen.
EIT'S and GITMO, liberals and Obama were against both and THEY need to kill........ this part of the story as Bush will AGAIN be proven right all along.
The left will never acknowledge that information...
Submitted by Conservator on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 10:52am.
...gain from enhanced interrogation like waterboarding was vital to finding bin-Laden.
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed wouldn't have stated the nickname of Osama's courier. Without this key piece of info, I doubt our intelligence agencies would have understood how important the nickname was and that it would lead to the learning the actual name which was vital in ultimately finding Osama many years later.
"NON-VOLUNTARY" info
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 11:08am.
I think it was Brennan on Today show yesterday... he said some info was NON-VOLUNTARY from what I recall. I think this is an admission of something important. This is probable cause for the REPs to go after this with much vigor and bring up the Obama and DEMs deriding Bush, Cheney & the war. Do not let them cover this up. We demand the truth now. Transparency now! Capturing Osama can be Obama's downfall when he is shown to be the fraud he is... taking credit where it likely would have never happen if Obama was in control the entire time. The truth is needed so our policy can follow. The people need to be educated also for 2012.
Levin was hot on this last night. It was great! He also talked about the "proper Muslim" burial. Great again!
http://www.marklevinshow.com/sectional.asp?id=32930
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
Hummmmmm
Submitted by donabernathy on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 10:52am.
now we will never get any Al Qaeda intel outta OBL...... guess assassinating him was more humane than water boarding...huh.... no matter.... the war on terror is nothing more than a vehicle to enrich gubRmint cronies and remove American liberties.
roflmao
As a former interrogator it can now be revealed!
Submitted by scottyusmc on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 10:58am.
It was the extra filling in the Crispy Creme donuts that got him to spill his guts. He laughed off the waterboarding, but talked when we threatened to raise his cholesterol
Did you guys see the clip of Obama eating 50 hard boiled eggs?
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 11:17am.
Neither did I.
I guess when movies are the only source of your world view..
Submitted by Mark81150 on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:00pm.
Then it's movie referrences all around.. What the Hell is wrong with these lefties and the constant comparison to movie fantasy heroes?
Is their pool of real life heroes so small, they need to flesh it out with make believe ones?
When I enlisted, the man who influenced me, not with words, but with his life story, the man who I aspired to be like, to have the courage of..
was my father..
Veteran from the 50's, occupation duty in Austria in an old SS baracks, helping rebuild the modern Germany. A street cop, shot at twice, once had a suspect try to run him down with a car, he dove in across the seats as the perp tore the drivers door off the cruiser.. retired on medical disablity from a terrible wasting illness, he was a real living breathing man..
and even after he lost the ability to speak, I came home on leave to see him,.. mom took me in and Dad said nothing,.. but he turned and saw my uniform, and his face glowed.. he didn't have to say what was in his mind, I could see it in his face..
I loved John Wayne, Gary Cooper,.. Jimmy Stewart.. but they were story tellers, beloved ones, but telling the tales of others..
The heroes that matter aren't on film,
You'd think the rocket scientists on the left would know that. Can't just one of them drop the Hollywood ideal.. and remember this from a purely American one, with real people who live and die real deaths for the ones who they care about. Dowd doesn't have one real hero to compare Obama too?
Not one?
and they call us shallow.......
Jimmy Stewart
Submitted by rb usmc on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 2:48pm.
Brigadier General James Maitland Stewart. USAF. Decorated WWII Hero.
http://www.militaryhub.com/military-people.cfm?id=44
Jimmy Stewart also flew B-52
Submitted by bassndude on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 2:54pm.
Jimmy Stewart also flew B-52 bombing missions over Vietnam as a BG in the USAFR.
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funny reading-
Submitted by JIMMY1660 on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 11:25am.
liberals hate "enhanced interrogation",but killing is okay!!!!!!!!!
we as Americans just ask our Government-"protect us from evil radicals, period.
How many freakin' wives did bin Laden have?
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:37pm.
I know there were two in the "mansion", but what about third one spotted outside?
Something fishy here, folks.
PS, do all million dollar mansions in Pakistan look like an abandoned '50s Asbury Park motel? What's a regular hovel go for, $350,000?
Osama had 4 wives. That is
Submitted by bassndude on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:36pm.
Osama had 4 wives. That is what Islam says you should limit yourself to.
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no million dollar mansion
Submitted by jon_torlin on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 12:50pm.
I can't locate it anymore, but there was some UK article that stated that the house was actually around 200-250 thousand.
-Jon
Obama won't release bin Laden photos...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 1:43pm.
This is a big mistake...
http://nation.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/04/obama-says-he-wont-release-bin-laden-photos
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
"Republican House
Submitted by ckc1227 on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 2:02pm.
"Republican House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers said conspiracy theorists around the world will just claim the photos are doctored anyway.."
Brilliant, Mike. What the hell are conspiracy theorists going to say now? So now, apparently our policy is based around appeasing the enemy AND conspiracy theorists.
Precisely...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 2:19pm.
This is a huge mistake on Obama's part...And the logic behind this decision defies explanation...Obama's afraid of retaliation?? Hey Barack...Newsflash! We killed bin Laden...the beloved leader of these murderous lunatics...There is going to be retaliation, regardless of whether these photos are shown or not...The photos are really irrelevant as far as that is concerned. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
As for adding to the conspiracy aspect of this, people are going to say what they are going to say...They're doctored, they're not doctored, so that point is moot, imho. What a mess. The bottom line is that these photos should be released so people around the world can see for themselves that bin Laden is in fact, dead.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Great. Another thing Obama
Submitted by stratman on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 2:22pm.
Great. Another thing Obama refuses to release.
Turn Trump loose.
Very likely...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 2:32pm.
The reasoning behind this is absurd...Obama thinks that releasing the photos would be interpreted as our 'spiking the football'....That is just asinine, imho. If Obama was so concerned about terrorist sensibilities, he never should have approved the raid...We killed bin Laden...That's the fuel on the fire here...not releasing the photos. "O's" gone right back to his gutless ways.
People, Americans in particular and the families of those killed on 9/11 and all the other terror attacks that bin Laden was behind, have the right to see these pictures. Obama, in his usual fashion, is now more concerned with how the murdering terrorists and other Muslims will "feel" about these photos, than he is with how Americans feel...Pathetic.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Hussein brothers
Submitted by jon_torlin on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 2:44pm.
So when Uday and Qusay Hussein were killed, photos were demanded of their corpses by the Iraqi people. They wanted proof that these two madmen (well Uday was the more violent one and insane one) were dead. Their pictures were released by the US.
No one went apesh!t over it.
Same thing with Saddam, except those pictures were taken secretly by someone with a Motorola Razr and leaked, but no one went nuts either.
-Jon
Perfect!
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 2:52pm.
And exactly right...I don't recall hearing anyone inside the Bush WH worrying about releasing those photos and the backlash that might result from them...This whole reason that is being given about why Obama will not release the photos is pure bs.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Foot meet mouth
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 4:24pm.
They are screwing up left & right after IT was finished. Giving a service to the body. Obama's "I" speech (uh that is not spiking the football?). All the apparent lies as to what exactly took place. Were they watching a video feed or not? How complicated is telling the TRUTH? Now no photo that we paid BILLIONS for, thousands of lives, thousands of soldiers! We DESERVE to see the darn photo of him dead. Who cares what they "think." This is not going to matter. We killed him!
Agree w/P-Sky! --- snip PrairieSky
Obama thinks that releasing the photos would be interpreted as our 'spiking the football'....That is just asinine, imho. If Obama was so concerned about terrorist sensibilities, he never should have approved the raid...We killed bin Laden...That's the fuel on the fire here...not releasing the photos. "O's" gone right back to his gutless ways.
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
What if Al Queda showed a picture of a dead American soldier?
Submitted by ckc1227 on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 2:25pm.
How would Americans feel then?
The tool in chief actually made that argument in his 60 Minutes interview.
Pics of dead americans?
Submitted by QMCS on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 2:37pm.
I seem to recall a whole boat load of pictures of dead americans, europeans, muslims or anyone else that pissed off the jihadists,
holy crap there were videos on the net of a little kid cutting some guys head off while his dad held the poor bastards beard. the rest of the world could care less about the PC crap here in the US.
What if???
Submitted by NL207 on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 2:47pm.
please refer to this : Nick Berg's murder by Al Qaeda.
We are not talking about a what-if scenario.
I know we're not
Submitted by ckc1227 on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 3:06pm.
Apparently the tool in chief does not. Maybe you should send that link to him.
Even worse though, he actually equated an American soldier to Osama Bin Laden.
Non-Release of Photos
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 2:21pm.
The photos aren't being released because Obama wants to start conspiracy theories! Obama wants to deflect attention from his abysmal policies that have impoverished the nation, started a spiral of inflation, caused one in six Americans to go on food stamps, and destroyed the U.S. dollar.
Or maybe Obama starting conspiracy theories is just another conspiracy theory? There he goes again!
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
Conspiracy theories...
Submitted by QMCS on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 2:40pm.
Damn my head is starting to hurt from keeping up with all of these and now you just gave me another one to keep track of... :)
Can these people say "Nick
Submitted by bassndude on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 2:50pm.
Can these people say "Nick Berg"? Or how about other hostages beheaded? Jack Hensley or Eugene Armstrong? Beheaded on the internet. Now, lets put up Osama's picture on the internet.
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No release of the corpse photo
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 1:43pm.
Regarding any pictures associated with the body of Osama bin Laden, Obama is set to appear on 60 Minutes, where he will tell Steve Croft:
"We will not release any pictures of the corpse, man."
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
That's a good one...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 1:45pm.
LOL!
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Of course Kingfish, libz
Submitted by Jack Bauer on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 2:19pm.
Of course Kingfish, libz won't get that gag.
All of the above Mr Obama? --- How about ALL OF THE BELOW, instead.
Nope...That'll likely go...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 2:23pm.
right over their heads.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Obama: I won't release bin Laden death photos
Submitted by ckc1227 on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 1:56pm.
Muslim sensibilities are apparently more important than American's.
Apparently...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 2:21pm.
Just when I thought that "The One" had developed a little testicular fortitude (concerning the decision to greenlight the raid), he goes and makes a decision like this...Well, so much for that.
Brilliant.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Generalissimo Obama
Submitted by Jack Bauer on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 2:26pm.
Obviously not releasing the pix is a real "gutsy" decision.
What a man!
All of the above Mr Obama? --- How about ALL OF THE BELOW, instead.
Yep...Par for the course...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 2:35pm.
for "The One".
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
He didn't even make that
Submitted by ckc1227 on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 2:27pm.
He didn't even make that call, Prairie. It was made for him. He just went along for the ride, and not willingly.
Not sure about that one...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 2:47pm.
Do I think that his advisors (military and otherwise) encouraged him to do this, yes, but Obama is still the pres, and ultimately he had to say yes or no...He could have said no, and I give him credit for saying yes...Whatever his personal reasons were for saying yes, I don't know, but he did make the right decision, this time. And then, he goes and makes a decision like this.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
He said yes because he had no choice
Submitted by ckc1227 on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 3:31pm.
Just a little light reading for your entertainment.
Is this legit? Don't know, but it makes more sense than believing the great, brave terror warrior is now afraid to hurt terrorist's feelings.
fits known facts
Submitted by jon_torlin on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 4:08pm.
This is interesting, all right. It certainly fits the known facts. Good lord, if this is even half-true, this could get nuts.
After reading that, I got a new interpretation of the picture: The Chairman was shoved aside.
-Jon
I'd love to know who this "insider" is....
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 4:22pm.
If true, what is interesting to me is Valerie Jarrett's alleged involvement in this...I have repeatedly read, from various sources, since Obama became president that she is the real power behind the throne in this administration...That Obama almost never makes any decision or forms any opinion on any subject without her (and Michelle's for that matter) input and advice. The fact that Jarrett figures so prominently in this scenario is very interesting to me, and makes me wonder more than a little about the possibility of this being true. If it is true, then it is truly frightening that such a weak minded, easily led and mainpulated person is the president of this country, and that he is led by such a completely wrongheaded, incompetent and ultimately dangerous person/people.
Can you imagine what it must be like to be part of this administration with an almost completely dysfunctional president such as this? Heaven help us all.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
PrairieSky, you will also
Submitted by bassndude on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 4:29pm.
PrairieSky, you will also notice the conspicuous absence of Valerie Jarrett from the picture in the situation room as the operation was carried out. Another clue that there is some truth to the story.
That Jarrett bumped heads with Daily, and lost is really no secret. There was wailing and gnashing of teeth from Jarrett's office.
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Wow that was an amazing story! Everyone read!
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 9:59pm.
Thanks for that link. I read the 4 pages. WELL worth it. Now there is a whole lot more realistic and dramatic movie script. OBL = Obamasia Been Lying! At "my direction" BS!!!!!!!!!!
Link again here: http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-insider-obama-hesitated-panetta-...
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
bass...I've heard that...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 10:05pm.
Jarrett and Daley have had some major "issues" with each other...And you're right...Jarrett is missing from the photo...Interesting, considering the fact that she is supposed to be a "senior advisor" to Obama...Very interesting, indeed.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
As fantastic as this is
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 10:41pm.
In my initial communication to you of these events I described what unfolded as a temporary Coup initiated by high ranking intelligence and military officials. I stand by that term.
Who stands by it? With out the who, worthless
Maybe this is why Mr. Clinton
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:22am.
Maybe this is why Mr. Clinton did not want to go to Ground Zero w/Obama. Clinton will go to anything normally. Guess Mrs. Clinton told him this story & now Mr. Clinton does not even want to support liar in chief braggart Mr. Obama.
And I don't think you could make this stuff up. It explains why she is not there. It explains how Penetta can SAY the body pic WILL be released yet Obama stalls and then says no it will not be released. Where there is smoke there is fire. I think this is a MAJOR story. Need the press on it!!!
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
You may be on to something
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 9:01am.
Clinton is the likely source, if this is indeed a true leak. Should not be to hard for Obama and crew to figure it out, given the detail of the events.
Clinton my end up suicide
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Thu, 05/05/2011 - 12:20pm.
Clinton my end up suicide dead in a DC park via a .38 spc yet with no blood around. Park Police: "Nothing to see here; case closed."
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
I don't think Obama found
Submitted by stratman on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 2:35pm.
I don't think Obama found testicular fortitude. I think he was forced to the decision internally (narcissism - fear of weakness or losing face) and externally (security/military/political chiefs). It explains the 16 hour delay, let alone the potential weeks of knowing the information. It explains his golfing and comedy speech preparation during the process - diversions from making the decision. It explains why OBL was treated with such respect in death - from Obama's seminal relationship with Islamic culture. Ditto for not releasing the images of dead OBL, including his lack of gonads from his primal fear of being tethered to the an image of a dead, bullet-ridden body.
No, Obama can order a killing, after being cornered into the decision, but he can't bear the thought of getting his nails dirty from the act that publishing images would present.
Excellent point...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 2:45pm.
Do I think it is possible that Obama made this decision reluctantly, despite all the reasoning and encouragement by his advisors? Absolutely...That may very likely be the truth. But, he did make the decision, whatever his motivations were. As you said, the fact that he will not release the photos now can be seen as his not wanting to get "his nails dirty" by doing so, and that is typical Obama...Unfortunately.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Narcissism
Submitted by stratman on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 3:27pm.
To me, the photo of the scowling Obama in the war room reeks of him thinking "You guys better succeed or it's my ass".
Every decision Obama has made that I agree with he's gone against every fiber in his body, such as keeping Gitmo open and not trying terrorists in civilian court. This is part of the record, not just my opinion. Green lighting the OBL operation is probably no different. A forced, political, self-absorbed decision. Any benefit for Americans due to Obama's actions is secondary and coincidental to his primary need to satisfy himself. Hence the "I" and "my" we hear/read so often in his speeches and pronouncements.
I recognize that Obama gave the prudent OK to proceed with taking down OBL. Who wouldn't have?
I'm not going to genuflect over Obama's decision when all of us would have done the same. To do differently would have been ignoble. Thank you, Mr. President for finally agreeing to the mission, just like you finally did with the takedown of the Somali pirates. You did the singular thing Americans expect of their president. You can now return to the putting green.
Those who deserve our utmost gratitude and respect are the nameless and faceless people that helped in intelligence, training and supporting the mission, and, most importantly, the SEAL team who carried out the mission.
I agree...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 4:08pm.
The vast majority, if not everything, that Obama does and has done as president is done with a self-serving motivation.
Just because most of us would have made what is a no-brainer of a decision to go after bin Laden, that logic doesn't necessarily apply to Obama. As for whether he might have made the decision not to go after bin Laden, knowing what his track record is, I think it would have been a distinct possibility. My guess is that in Obama's mind, the decision to get bin Laden was made with the full intent, that if the operation had failed, to blame everyone involved except himself...typical Obama. The fact that Obama did do the right thing, surprisingly and for once, whatever and/or despite his motivations, is a good thing for the country and for the world. Like you though, I believe that first and foremost, Obama's motives are self serving above all.
As you rightly said, those who truly do deserve our respect and gratitude are all those who were involved in this mission...They have all done a great service for our country and for the world, by finally bringing bin Laden to justice.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Wonder how long it would have
Submitted by stratman on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 4:35pm.
Wonder how long it would have taken a President John McCain to green light the operation?
I'm guessing about 5 seconds...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 5:42pm.
While I'm no huge McCain fan, I don't believe that this would have been in any way a tough decision for him (or for anyone else with an ounce of intelligence and sound judgement).
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Real reason Obama won't release Osama death pix
Submitted by Jack Bauer on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 2:21pm.
The evil old goat can clearly be seen wearing his Obama-Biden 2008 campaign button...
All of the above Mr Obama? --- How about ALL OF THE BELOW, instead.
LOL!!!
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 2:21pm.
Love it!
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
He is getting back at Leon
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 10:03pm.
He is getting back at Leon Panetta to show who is in control. Didn't Panetta say it would be released on Drudge? So Obama does the opposite to be a little child. Read this amazing insider story; link from above http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-insider-obama-hesitated-panetta-...
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
Obama clarifies Osama death pix decision...
Submitted by Jack Bauer on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 2:32pm.
The AP* reports that the brave Sir Obamahad has said he will release Osama death pix when...
"hell freezes over" or "when he needs another bump in the polls. "
I wonder which will come first.
*kidding.
All of the above Mr Obama? --- How about ALL OF THE BELOW, instead.
It appears the whole White House/government story line...
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 2:39pm.
...concerning "Obama taking out Osama" is beginning to unravel.
Once again, this White House is playing the American people for fools, and once again, it appears the sheeple are going to fall for it.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Put up or shut up
Submitted by jon_torlin on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 2:53pm.
Something the WH is incapable of doing. That's why I will never trust anything they say, unless they can prove it, which of course, their record for proving things is abysmal at best. Anything they say is generally opposite of the reality.
At this point, I don't care anymore about the birth certificate issue, or even if it's true that they got bin Laden(why change the story each day since Sunday) or any other thing about them, I want those bastards out of the White House and gone NOW.
They have been THE WORST things to happen to this country in every part.(not that most of us were surprised) How long it will take to recover, hell, I don't even know if it's possible at this rate.
-Jon
Agreed...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 3:35pm.
I worry that this bin Laden "get" will sway the weak minded and the fence sitters come election time, and we'll end up with another four years of Captain Disaster.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
jon, this whole thing is beginning to really smell
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 3:58pm.
I mean, it's taking on the odor of green fly-encircled steaming BS.
Our current government wants us to believe that Osama, who loved to regularly make home vids of himself threatening to blow up all kinds of things and pack them off to Al Jazeera, and who apparently fell off the planet back in '02 (when the vids stopped coming out) and who was the most recognizable and most wanted person in all of recorded history, was living large and undetected in a densely populated urban environment for six years, with Pakistani security and military people all over the place, as well as our own intelligence people milling about the area as well.
I'm sorry, but that is a stretch my mind just isn't willing to make.
And what I can't understand is why more people aren't questioning this.
Then again, the American sheeple sat on their asses and watched this "president" steal $1 Trillion from them and pass it out to his cronies and supporters, and raised nary a whimper about it, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
People can call me a conspiracy nut all they want, but until I see positive, 100% irrefutable proof to the contrary, I will continue to believe that Osama has been dead since 2002, and we the gullible are being served up a pile of steaming BS on a silver platter by the most dishonest and crooked administrations in this nation's history.
There is absolutely nothing I would put past this White House and the pathological lying fraud who currently occupies it.
Nothing.
-Dave
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I'm pissed
Submitted by ricklail on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 4:06pm.
UBL is dead, kaput, Tango Uniform, catfish and carp food and his soul burning in hell. I know. There are hearings going on on Capitol Hill on the ATF's Operation Gunrunner/Fast and Furious and nobody is paying attention. Holder is lying through his teeth about when he knew about it. I'm pissed because this could bring Obama down notches and there is very little press coverage. Here is one story from Fox News.
This scheme was to put gun dealers in a bad light. It backfired and nobody is telling the American people.
I have been trying
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 4:24pm.
I have been trying to follow this story, too. I have no doubt that this would have been a lead story for all of the MSM nightly news shows and a continuing story on cable if we had a Republican administration in the White House. If the Valeri Plame "outing" and Cindy Sheehan were stories that deserved the attention of the MSM for years, then how can Operation Gunrunner not warrant some attention?
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
Bingo Tomorama. Bingo........
Submitted by Tomorama on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 4:20pm.
Chi-town politics 101.
Don't release them, gin up the crowd and other countries as well and anybody that dares question the one, THEY ARE CRAZY "deathers" who don't believe the great one and it gives the LSM something else to talk about besides this lying gutless frauds ineptitude.
Then sometime NEXT YEAR, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm he will "reluctantly" release the photo's and we will again be reminded of the brave mission HE LED while sitting in a comfy chair eating brie and getting hoops scores on his crackberry.
All right before his re-selection............
Has anyone seen a pic of the helicopter that went down?
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 4:51pm.
I have looked all over the net, and I can't find even one.
-Dave
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Here....
Submitted by jon_torlin on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 5:07pm.
Scroll down the page, you'll see the wreckage.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1383106/Osama-Bin-Laden-dead-Wif...
-Jon
Thanks, jon
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 5:30pm.
I guess I didn't use the correct search terms.
-Dave
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**WARNING: Very Graphic**
Submitted by Dan Diego on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 5:39pm.
Some pics of helo wreckage along w/ dead bad guys.
http://www.breitbart.tv/photos-show-three-dead-men-at-bin-laden-raid-house/
Yeah, they release the pics of the three Islamic goons who were
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 8:13pm.
...in the room with him (nice chin shot that one goon took) but they won't release the one of Osama with half his head blown off, because Obama is too afraid he'll offend his Muslim friends.
Hmm.
-Dave
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Is showing a pic of a
Submitted by Dan Diego on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 8:52pm.
Is showing a pic of a blowed-up Osama banned by muslims like a cartoon of muhammad?
Dan, It just might
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 10:58pm.
I have also noticed the three pics that were released have been taken down from Reuters' web site.
-Dave
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