Open Thread: 'The Politics of Blood Libel'
In the Wall Street Journal, law professor Glenn Reynolds, of Instapundit fame, recounts some tactics of the left's ongoing crusade to pin Saturday's tragic Tuscon, Arizona shootings on Sarah Palin. Reynolds recalls points made at NewsBusters and elsewhere, and concludes thusly:
To be clear, if you're using this event to criticize the "rhetoric" of Mrs. Palin or others with whom you disagree, then you're either: (a) asserting a connection between the "rhetoric" and the shooting, which based on evidence to date would be what we call a vicious lie; or (b) you're not, in which case you're just seizing on a tragedy to try to score unrelated political points, which is contemptible. Which is it?
I understand the desperation that Democrats must feel after taking a historic beating in the midterm elections and seeing the popularity of ObamaCare plummet while voters flee the party in droves. But those who purport to care about the health of our political community demonstrate precious little actual concern for America's political well-being when they seize on any pretext, however flimsy, to call their political opponents accomplices to murder.
Where is the decency in that?
Indeed. What are your thoughts on the shooting and events since? Reynolds posits that some on the left wanted to turn the shooting into President Obama's Oklahoma City Bombing - a tragedy that would benefit him politically. Do you see that effort at work? Are there other factors at play here?
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"Never let a good crisis go
Submitted by Chris Norman on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:05am.
"Never let a good crisis go to waste..."
I assume the gun grabbers are
Submitted by ricklail on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:32am.
I assume the gun grabbers are crawling out of the woodwork. Along with those that want to stiffle free speech when it is against liberals.
Attention gun grabbers.
Submitted by Red Jeep on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:02am.
This took place in a parking lot. If the shooter did not have a gun, he could have used a car bomb or thrown a grenade or made a suicide belt. So just stop your gun grab nonsense.
What killed here was hate and/or mental instability.
What will help make this type of occurrence rare is a speedy trial, followed by a televised public execution the next day, (Hanging or electrocution. )
Mental health is the real
Submitted by TruthMonger on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 3:51pm.
Mental health is the real issue surrounding this event - yet nothing reported so far about the current state of this in the US...
Glenn Close has recently been promoting the problem - I wonder if she would blame the gun or the mental state of the shoooter...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/glenn-close/mental-illness-the-stigma_b_328591.html
Congratulations Jimmy Carter!
Untold story.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:05am.
On the way back in the car this morning, I caught an interview on Fox News with one of the two men who took the shooter down.
This guy was inside another store, heard the shots, and ran out to see what was happening. He had a concealed weapon (legal) and had his hand on it out of sight as he came on the scene.
Someone else had already grabbed the shooter's gun, and this guy coming on the scene didn't know what was happening so he ordered the guy to drop the weapon. No overreaction, no drawn weapon pointed, no shots fired. The man complied.
He then grabbed the shooters free arm and he and another guy held the shooter down, while a woman on the scene grabbed the magazine he had dropped trying to reload.
Let's start a pool as to when any other network will interview the guy with the concealed weapon who ran TO the scene, not away! As Patton said, "run toward the sound of gunfire if you want to find the battle."
My pick as to when they will cover this aspect of the story (unless they can find a way to make him look like a gun toting crackpot) is never.
Already Started
Submitted by jpk3 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:34am.
Early this morning Drudge had a link to a Congress woman who stated she had a bill to submit today for more gun restrictions, I didn't save the link and can't find it, but she tried this last year I believe. Also, copied, Rep. Robert Brady (D-Pa.) reportedly plans to introduce legislation that would make it a federal crime to use language or symbols that could be perceived as threatening or inciting violence against a federal official or member of Congress.
... and therein lies the problem.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:47am.
"language or symbols that could be perceived as threatening"
Who is doing the perceiving? I say they (congressmen) can live with the same laws that the rest of us do.
Yes.
Submitted by Red Jeep on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:04pm.
We already have enough laws against murder, threatening, harassment , kidnapping, etc...
Don't need a special class of laws for politicians. They are no better than the rest of us.
I hope the
Submitted by UpNorth on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 3:08pm.
question is rhetorical, Newsubba. We all know it'll be Eric Holder and his minions, who, by the way, never represented real terrorists.
I can feel the warm fuzzies already, knowing that anything I post, or say, will be re-examined by totally impartial bureaucrats at DoJ. And, that this administration wants to require me to have a registered internet ID.
"Revolutionary Symbols"
Submitted by Texndoc on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:17am.
As expected Joe Scarborough couldn't help but push his "No Labels" political movement (I.e., Shut Up Conservatives) his entire show, at one point stating "our party" should "drop the Revolutionary symbols". Revolutionary symbols? Oh, I get it.
It was amazing how many times he told the same story, without mentioning Palin's or The Tea Party's name but you knew exactly. "My wife was watching TV Saturday morning and she ran in to me crying" he repeated at least 6 times, and boy-howdy they knew who to immediately blame.
Hey, Joe.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:08am.
Tell your wife to suck it up.
This is different...
Submitted by Indie Dude on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:19am.
This time we have the internet, Fox, and Newsbusters. It's not working, The Left and the & media have been exposed. (I) We now see the MSM for who they really are, a tool for the Left. Right after the shooting, all I saw was on the MSM, "This is because of Palin and..." (without fact checking)
MSM and the Left is truly disguising. The Left Media IS falling back on tactics that worked in the past, but that can no longer work. The people have resources and outlets like the internet, FOX and Newsbusters to equal the playing field.
I hope everyone see's the bigger picture and, "Fights back" and I don't mean with violence. With your vote and the power to boycott the MSM by not watching and not purchasing their rags.
And if it's the first,
Submitted by motherbelt on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:35am.
when are you going to call on President Obama to denounce his OWN violent rhetoric?
<Chris Matthews imitation> HA!!
I guess the best we can expect is a mealy mouthed version of It's time to turn down the rhetoric on both sides. (Even though the right is WAY worse!)
Don't allow the libs to get
Submitted by Beukeboom on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:42am.
Don't allow the libs to get away with the unhinged spin. Here are a plethora of materials of which they (liberal MSM and politicians) are either forgetting or intentionally ignoring:
http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/
Where did it start?
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:56am.
I found it quite disconcerting the level of "rhetoric" that came out so shortly, even just minutes, after the shooting to place the blame on Rush, Beck, Palin, etc, which is what led me to believe this is some kind of set up. Hell, even DuhOne responded really quickly even though it took him forever to say something about the Christmas would-be bomber. I can't be the only one thinking this was just a coincidence.
The only thing I don't know for sure is where the beginning of this is, and could the left go so far to stage something at the cost of lives(including children) to get the ball rolling on the blame game?
I saw on the news that they were backing off on the idea of an accomplice, but I find it hard to believe that this loon was a solo act in this case. Yeah, I know, the Unabomber was a solo act as well as that wacko who did the Discovery Channel before he got capped and a few other situations. If indeed this guy was acting on his own, then even though he is looney, he still pulled it with surprising results, wounding 13 people, killing 6 including a little girl. The Foot Hood shooter did the same thing, except he was doing it for Islam and was even "counseled" by a cleric. So was someone behind this guy in Tuscon?
-Jon
Hoisted on their own mountain of lies and BS
Submitted by Ten7s on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:00am.
In case you missed it:
Facts about Arizona Safeway shooter:
Religion = Occult
Hobbies = Pot smoking/ garage band
Politics = Leftwing/ Liberal
Personality = severely mentally disturbed
Case closed! Now the other Liberal Whackos in the media and on the net can put their pathological mendacity to use elsewhere.
Right ,7's.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:12am.
The left wants to tone down the harsh language, but they want to legalize pot, and marginalize Christianity.
That should help things, don't you think?
Self-serving outrage at the expense of victims
Submitted by KC Mulville on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:03am.
When the Keith Olbermanns of the world decry the violence of political rhetoric, you might pause to consider it. But, seconds later, when he identifies the culprits only as his right-wing media rivals, his self-serving outrage becomes clear. I could understand it if Olbermann was referring to some maniac shouting to overthrow the government, but when his examples are conservatives demanding limited government, his deceit is exposed.
I saw Jim Clyburn being interviewed
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:06am.
He wants a new law, making it a crime(!) to attack a Congressperson.
He's also annoyed about having to go through TSA security, like "regular people". Nice, huh? I'm sure before he's done each critter will have their own secret service detail, and a private jet, a la Pelosi. After all...it's only money.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
"He wants a new law, making
Submitted by NevadanConservative on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:20pm.
"He wants a new law, making it a crime(!) to attack a Congressperson."
He needs to buy a vowel. Attacking people without cause is already a crime... It's called ASSAULT, Congressman.
"He's also annoyed about having to go through TSA security, like "regular people". Nice, huh? "
This is supposed to be a classless society. Then again, the statist's societal ideal was ALSO supposed to be classless as well. Trying to ride this in on the backs of all these dead people is VERY classless.
"I'm sure before he's done each critter will have their own secret service detail, and a private jet, a la Pelosi. After all...it's only money."
I thought that the House and Senate already had a security pool, not as plugged in as USSS, but a step or two up from the average cop. Given that some of these jokers in both houses are multimillionaires in their own right, I have no problems with them going out and buying a G-3 or whatever with their own cash. The taxpayer footing the bill for 500+ aircraft just for congressional ego is abhorrent. I have to admit, though, it would give at least the MD/VA aviation industry a big boost.
Fragit, they wanna fly, get em 2 seater ultralights.
They want to be considered any more special than their constituents.... no.
NVCon
Let'em carry concealed.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:41pm.
I say we pass a law requiring all congressmen and their staff to carry concealed weapons for their own protection.
Can't you hear the outcry already from the left?
Lokks like Heath Shuler wil
Submitted by ricklail on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:54pm.
Lokks like Heath Shuler wil start packing his heat.
So will we still be able to spit on him? Or that'll be out, too?
Submitted by SickofLibs on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 2:02pm.
Geez, you can't even have any fun anymore.
/s
Well, you can shout at him, maybe
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 4:58pm.
You can shout the pretend "n-word" at him.
But he'll probably want to make that a death penalty offense if shouted at a Congresscritter. "You lie" will also officially become hate speech.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
the progressive climate of hate
Submitted by ds7 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:27am.
for an informative update on the things the legacy media won't report on, checkout michelle malkin's latest column.
http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/
thank you michelle for documenting their lies!
Drug testing on Loughner
Submitted by TexasMom0517 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:52am.
Do you suppose the authorities thought it might be a good idea to drug test Loughner- urinalysis, blood, hair- to see exactly what sorts of drugs he was/had been on? Probably not.
I'm sorry, but we were a lot better off when most people just used plain old alcohol. I know Soros is a big proponent of legalizing marijuana and most of the Lefty bloggers love the stuff, but we've become a nation of illegal and prescription drugs- marijuana, LSD, cocaine, heroin, meth, ritalin, adderall, sleeping pills to counteract the adderall- and we WONDER WHY so many people are having psychotic breaks!
Ban nictotine, but push marijuana, good move!
TexasMom
Submitted by bkeyser on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:04pm.
I'd suspect they did do a toxicology on the shooter, if not immediately, then certainly now that he's got legal representation. Any intoxication will be used in his defense.
But to your larger point- i completely agree. I saw one report that quoted a friend of the shooter alleging they used pot daily, a real problem among teens that often leads to a delay in intellectual maturity and cognitive reasoning. Those who advocate for it's legality invariably leave that bit of scientific evidence out of the discussion.
bkeyser....
Submitted by NavyBuckeye on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:05pm.
I am a conservative and I think the illegal drugs should be make legal. Conservatism stands for freedom does it not? Then people should be free to destroy thier lives or enjoy a joint every once in a while.
Although in believing this I do feel that those vices should not be used as excuses and in making a free decsion to be a pot head a person should not be helped out by my tax dollars and such (I could go into a big explanation of my view but you can get the jist of it with that comment).
I do agree that the hypocrisy of pushing to demonize nicotine while advocating weed is rather laughable.
Navy
Submitted by bkeyser on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:22pm.
Yeah, I understand that belief. We can't regulate or make illegal all things deemed by someone as threatening or unhealthy. And I'm not blaming this violence on the use of marijuana. In fact, one former friend of the shooter claims he stopped using drugs and alcohol some time ago; that he lost weight and was working out. This might be true as the shooter apparently tried to enlist in the Army but was rejected.
But what may also come to light is that the shooter didn't stop using absusing substances; rather, he graduated to stronger and even greater mind-altering drugs. This kid apparenty had all sorts of strange behaviors and internal thoughts- controlled dreaming, nihilism, a strange infatuation with language, etc- that could be associated with hallucination; not a by-product of pot, but certainly that of metamphetamines (like meth), esctasy, and PCP (a common addative to pot). They can also cause weight loss. And rejection from the Army.
That's why I suggested above that I'm certain a toxicology was done on the shooter.
One thing I'm curious about though- if the common effects of daily pot smoking are know to cause: Bloodshot eyes, dry mouth, impaired or reduced comprehension, altered sense of time, reduced ability to perform tasks requiring concentration and coordination --such as driving a car, paranoia, intense anxiety attacks, altered cognition, making acquisition of new information difficult; impairments in learning, memory, perception, and judgment; difficulty speaking, listening effectively, thinking, retaining knowledge, problem solving, and it is determined that one or more of these are directly related to the shooter's current mental capacity, then how dow you reconcile your statement that: "Then people should be free to destroy thier (sic) lives or enjoy a joint every once in a while"? Didn't this guy destroy the lives of a whole bunch of people and their families?
Bkeyser but isn't that the sacrifice for freedom?
Submitted by NavyBuckeye on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 4:08pm.
You can either live a free life or you can live a secure one (in the sense of goverment protecting us from ill will and bad things). You can not have both.
I smoked plenty of pot in my day (ah, those highschool years) and not once did I ever want to kill anyone, have trouble deciding whether or not to kill anyone or even to do more intense drugs so they could influence me to kill someone.
My point is that if people want to do drugs they should be able to do so. People are permitted to consume alcohol and in doing so many individuals destroy lives by getting behind the wheel of a car. So yes people should be free to destroy thier own life. Just like your first paragraph in response to my post suggests you believe.
I put this in the same premise as I do the seatbelt laws: If people do not want ot wear them...then they suffer the consequences of that decision. If they have kids and they die there is no one to blame but the individual themself.
This guy destroyed the lives of others because he was a pompous, demented and not living in the standard reality. I say the standard reality because everyone percieves life differently. His perception only became the wrong one when he decided to end another person's life because of it.
If he was under the influence (he might have been but like you I doubt it was the Mary Jane) then he made that choice and should suffer the full consequences. But there will be those who say that if he was under the influence it wasn't his fault. I say BS the drugs didn't destroy the lives of others and neither did the gun. This guy is solely responsible for that destruction.
Navy
Submitted by bkeyser on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 4:35pm.
I'm from a different school; I believe we are a society that must have laws, that people are inherently imperfect and cannot be left alone entirely without oversight. This is not to say that I believe in the all-powerful government, or that many laws are unnecessary or over-reaching.
We are supposed to teach our children right-from-wrong. As a society, we are to determine those boundaries and insure the inhabitants live by them. And when they break those boundaries, they should be punished accordingly.
There are also helpful guidelines that come about for varying reasons, including historical data and evolving science. Your seat belt example is one of those. You may feel infringed upon having to wear a seat belt, but your insurance company may feel infringed upon having to pay for your injuries that may not have occurred had you been wearing that seat belt. Maybe the answer is for drivers to declare whether they plan to wear their seat belt and then pay the appropriate premium for their decision. Maybe the same for health insurance. Or drug use.
But drug use involves another aspect; the simple fact that it is a mind-altering substance. The decision to smoke pot or snort heroin is certainly the user's -initially- but chemical dependency takes over after a short period of time for certain drugs. The body and mind lose the ability for cognitive thought and the dependency overrides the mind's objections, often causing further use and a spiraling degradation. Not everyone succumbs to this effect -clearly you did not. But many do; for a variety of reasons. I won't litigate the "gateway" issue here (I've done that in shawn's pot thread in the past) but the science and sociology studies indicate there is a clear connection between pot use and harsher drugs in most users of the harder drugs. And while the drugs (if any) or the bullets in the Glock, or the gasoline in the tank of the vehicle that brought him to the site were not the reason he killed six and wounded 14 more, his inability to determine that what he was planning, and then carried out was wrong and has no place in a lawful society may have been effected by drug use. Or, it may not. Obviously, I can't make that determination. But it has happened, and will happen again. And the users of such substances initially make the wrong choices, but may not be able to alter them without help. It seems this Loughner person needed help in one form or another.
Speaking of that scientific evidence
Submitted by ckc1227 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 2:43pm.
Who is calling for legalizing marijuana use by children?
"Didn't this guy destroy the lives of a whole bunch of people and their families?"
And not one of them was because he smoked marijuana.
ckc
Submitted by bkeyser on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 2:48pm.
No one is calling for the use of maijuana by children -that I know of- but they smoke cigarettes too, don't they?
And how do you know his pot use didn't play a role in his actions? I didn't say that they did, but you seem to know that they didn't. What's your evidence?
Now that the facts
Submitted by ghost of Mary J... on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:58am.
are coming out. Now look for th MSM to slowly walk this back and ask that everyone stop the rhetoric. This is why they are called the drive-by media. They spray some bullets get everyone in hysterics and then drive off.
Support Our Troops. God bless the US military.
http://adoptaplatoon.org/
James Rosen
Submitted by well99 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:02pm.
Wrote a good article.It is worth a look.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/10/arizona-massacre-prompts-poli...
Don't agree with the premise.
Submitted by blablablather on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:09pm.
Why does it have to be A or B - who says so? Columbine was not political. Nor is there any hard evidence of a connection between Columbine and this shooting. To say that it might not have contributed, albeit indirectly, as a cultural influence on a crazy person is pretty myopic.
Shut up, Zippers
Submitted by SickofLibs on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:03pm.
.
Boortz on CNN last night
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:47pm.
Of course he was sand bagged, but that is nothing new.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Not to take away from your
Submitted by ricklail on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:51pm.
Not to take away from your post but I found this interesting too about Sarah Palin's map.
rick, yep, that is a commonly used map symbol
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:59pm.
I have used them many hundreds of times on all sorts of maps, surveys and construction plans.
Funny that the lefties have had nothing to say about maps produced by the dems that had actual bulleyes on them.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
uneducate masses
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:44pm.
That's the problem, I recognized those symbols as survey locations as well, but then I had a class that dealt with geological surveys and already knew what they were.
This is how the liberals take advantage of the dumbmasses, lack of education makes it easy for them to say "oh look, that looks an awful lot like a target symbol, like cross hairs." The power of suggestion can be pretty powerful and easily misused, which was in this case. Anyone who knows weapons, especially with scopes mounted, or weapons with range finders and the like, would know right away those aren't targeting symbols.
This is part of how well the dumbing down of America has gotten, just like many people are fooled about the global warming over a molecule that is harmless in its amounts as a component of air.(Carbon Dioxide)
Ugh....makes me sick, these manipulative bastards.
-Jon
MAJOR Richard "Dick" Winters A great American
Submitted by ricklail on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:47pm.
Major Dick Winters has died. He was 92. He was commander of Easy Company 506th Regiment 101st Ariborne Divsion. He was played by Damian Lewis in Band of Brothers. It was his story that inspired the mini-series. RIP in Major Winters. You have spent your time in hell.
rick,
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:03pm.
Sad to see we've lost another great American from that unique generation that saw a great evil and rose up almost in unison and kicked it's ass.
I doubt we aill ever see their likes again - at least not on the same scale.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Currahee
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:32pm.
RIP, Major Winters.
After you posted this, Rick, I did a bit (more) reading about Major Winters, Band of Brothers, and the 506th. There are currently 36 members of the 506th still alive, only three of whom appeared in the mini-series. BOB has earned more than any other DVD set ever sold, earning in excess of $200 million (I bought mine as soon as it was released).
In lieu of flowers, the Winters family has asked for donations to local Veterans groups. How appropriate.
<edit> Here's a great link about Dick Winters.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Thanks
Submitted by ricklail on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 2:03pm.
I need to watch it again. I missed a lot.
After the video,
Submitted by Newsbubba on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 6:17pm.
... you and Blonde read the book, Rick. It is even more amazing.
And there are people who think that this country is not an exceptional nation? They obviously have never read books like Band of Brothers. Maybe if Obama spent less time writing about himself, and more time reading about others he would have a better opinion of this country.
Thanks for the link J....
Submitted by BEGRUNT on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 5:26pm.
I heard about this, this morning.....very sad. He passed away with the same malady, Parkinsons, as my father did. The "great Generation" is quickly passing into history, and we have much to learn and emulate from them.
RIP Major Winters, and "CURRAHEE"!
"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"
Cicero
RIP Major Winters...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:44pm.
What a man this was...A true, dyed in the wool, red, white and blue American hero in every sense of the word.
Band of Brothers is required viewing in our house, at least 2 times a year...What an amazing group of men these all were, with Winters heroically leading them. Post-war, he was a very private, humble man, and he died the way he lived...Quietly, and with great strength and dignity.
Thank you Major Winters for everything that you did for this country...You will be missed. God bless.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Prof. Reynolds
Submitted by sarge329 on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:53pm.
The professor has explained it correctly. For anyone to make the claim that the shooting is the result of the reaction to political rhetoric or commentary is ludicrous. From all accounts, the shooter was " disturbed " . That meant that anything could have set him off at any time. He had already planned this, as shown by the list he left behind. This list included, among other things, a suicide note. He had also shown liberaI/leftist leanings. Had a similar event occurred, with a conservative official in the crosshairs, there would hardly have been a peep on the evening news. Maybe some commentary that they had brought it on themselves somehow, but that would have been the end of it. As I see it, Prof. Reynolds wasted his time. His logic was im-peccable, but you cannot use logic to explain an issue to someone who bases their reactions to events strictly on emotion.
Sorry to see this.
Submitted by Newsbubba on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 12:56pm.
It was a great book, a great mini-series, and he and his fellow soldiers were truly great men.
Well I have to go out and scrape 5+ inches of global warming...
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 1:10pm.
off the car.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Nothing here yet. My daughter
Submitted by ricklail on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 2:01pm.
Nothing here yet. My daughter just called from Cherry Point. (Havelock) they have 4" and still snowing. That is very unusual because they are closer to the coast than we are. Some have reported over 3" in Morehead City. That is on the coast.
Comrade Clyburn is calling for the Fairness Doctrine
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 2:00pm.
Rep. James Clyburn (Communist - S.C.) says (conservative*) words "can be danger," so he wants to muzzle us.
* I added that because he didn't have the stones to.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
You know as well as I do that
Submitted by ricklail on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 3:42pm.
You know as well as I do that the 1st Amendment was directed towards elected officials. That type of speech is really the only protected speech. He needs to go back to the colonial days if he thinks things are so harsh now. We are tame compared to some of the newspaper cartoons of those days. That is when the media was not owned by the liberals. There was a separation of the press and the state.
Dave has a pot of his killer beast stew just simmering away
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 7:15pm.
LOL - I can smell the garlic from the driveway.
Yes, Dave's beast stew treats garlic as one of the veggies.
Love that.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
My sister's alma mater had better win tonight
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 7:23pm.
The very thought of an SEC team losing to the Quackers makes me literally want to hurl.
It's been a really crappy couple of days, and I'm seriously down right now, perhaps more so than I have ever been. I need something positive to happen, and that right damn soon.
WAR DAMN EAGLE!!!
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Ya got your wish,
Submitted by Beukeboom on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 11:42am.
Ya got your wish, Dave.
BTW, SEC teams won the National Championship from 2006 to the present (in order from 2006: Florida, LSU, Florida, Alabama, and Auburn).
Political correctness run amok at the State Dept...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 8:59pm.
Has anyone else heard about this?
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/passport-mother-father-abolished/2011/01/09/id/382319?s=al&promo_code=B6F0-1
This is just too much...Now the words "mother" and "father" are apparently considered politically incorrect to Obama and Co.
666 days (not a great number) till election day 2012...
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
Almost sounds like it came
Submitted by Beukeboom on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 11:43am.
Almost sounds like it came from The Onion.
WAR DAMN EAGLE!!!
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 9:26pm.
:-)
-Dave
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Damn Straight!
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 9:31pm.
Roast the Ducks!
Jer
Jer,
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 10:51pm.
Yeah, and fry and fricassee 'em, too.
Time for Cam Newton to shine.
-Dave
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He did.
Submitted by Beukeboom on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 11:43am.
He did.
Let's go, Tigers!
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 11:36pm.
-Dave
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Where's the Video?
Submitted by ckc1227 on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 1:12am.
One thing interesting about this incident is that there is no video or audio, which seems a bit unusual considering the kind of event this was. You'd thing some media outlet would have covered this event via video, and at the least, someone in the crowd would have been videoing.
Good point.
Submitted by Beukeboom on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 11:44am.
Good point.
The SEC rules!
Submitted by Dave. on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 1:41am.
Congrats to the Auburn Tigers for ultimately winning (just barely), and congrats to the Ducks for making it close.
Until next year.
-Dave
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What is it now, Dave?
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 2:02am.
Five straight national championships won be four different SEC teams? Is there no one out there who can challenge the conference of champions? I say 'Nay'!
Jer
I would hope Auburn would have won....
Submitted by NavyBuckeye on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 9:39am.
they have the highest paid quarterback in all of college football.
But as long as he denies it..the NCAA will look the other way. They only punish the athletes foolish enough to come forward when they make a mistake.
NavyBuckeye...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 1:49pm.
Well he should have held out for more money. ;-)
He seems like a nice kid, but I'm sure the facts will come out at some point. Could end up being another Reggie Bush fiasco.
By the way, did you attend the Ohio State University? I've read their sports forums in the past. Very classy fans. Kind of happy for them that the team broke the SEC jinx.
Jer
Jer,
Submitted by NavyBuckeye on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 2:30pm.
No unfortunately I didn't attend Ohio State, I joined the Navy my junior year of highschool, and shipped out for bootcamp 2 days after graduation.
I am from Columbus. I am a Buckeye and always will be. I obtained a degree from a small school that didn't have a sports program.
Most of us are classy, although very biased towards our team.
And yeah he should have held out for more money. Don't get me wrong, I don't blame him or his family for taking the money (we all know they did, any sane person can figure that out). My problem is with the hypocrisy of the NCAA. They can't do anything because he says he didn't know (C'mon) but to the poor athletes that break rules with out knowing/and some on purpose (and quite a few do so with out knowing, so many rules) come forward and get leveled with crazy punishments.
Although I will admit my opinion on that topic is a little biased because 5 Buckeyes were punished severly for selling thier own property. These kids should have known that only the NCAA can make money off of thier hard work.
Frankly, the experience I
Submitted by Beukeboom on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 3:00pm.
Frankly, the experience I have had with college crowds (mostly SEC, ACC and MEAC) is that the vast majority of fans are classy. It's the knuckleheads and drunks that ruin it for everyone else. I feel that's true in other conferences as well.