For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: Democrats who politicized the Afghan war are reaping the consequences.
...with Democrats in charge of the entire U.S. government and George Bush nowhere to be found, Pelosi and others in her party are suddenly very, very worried about U.S. escalation in Afghanistan. “There is serious unrest in our caucus,” the speaker said recently. There is so much unrest that Democrats who show little concern about the tripling of already-large budget deficits say they’re worried about the rising cost of the war.It is in that atmosphere that Obama makes his West Point speech. He had to make certain promises to get elected. Unlike some of his supporters, he has to remember those promises now that he is in office. So he is sending more troops. But he still can’t tell the truth about so many Democratic pledges to support the war in Afghanistan: They didn’t mean it.
Will the dithering Dems see the war effort through?
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I will also be curious
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 09:50 ET by MidAmericaI will also be curious as to how obama refers to the Taliban. Will he reach out to them for a solution or will he critisize them for being evil as he has said of doctors, capitalists and FOX News?
Obama will only deal with the "moderate" Taliban
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 09:59 ET by SickofLibsYou know, the considerate ones that allow their victims to wear a hood while beheading them.
"Men Who Stare at Goats"
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 10:46 ET by jdlybrandI've heard this movie is about an online dating service for the Taliban. :-o
"What a revoltin' development this is!"
Chester Riley
Re Reaching Out
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 11:19 ET by slickwillie2001There's already some thinly-reported news out there that the Bamster's team has been in negotiations with the Taliban, perhaps willing to cede several provinces of Afghanistan in exchange for a cessation of hostilities.
Obama Reaches Out to Moderate Taliban: http://www.reuters.com
(Love that term 'moderate taliban'. That's like 'compassionate executioner'.)
Obama Offers Taliban Governorship of Six Provinces: http://www.weaselzippers.net
Doesnt matter . . .
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 09:51 ET by MillerTimeWarpI keep seeing on the Lib Channels - they're still whining about how Duhbama inherited the war. Enough already. Enough with the "victim status" spewed by the so-called minorities.
About Obama's mini-surge in Afghanistan...
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 10:58 ET by needleBush made him do it!
You do not get or deserve blame or credit, if you are not responsible.
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- I didn't leave the Republican Party; the Republican Party left me.
Is it their fear of commitment?
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 09:51 ET by c5thenOr is it their fear of winning? Is it their fear of ownership? Are they affraid that they won't be able to backpeddle and change their mind later?
Throw 'da bums out!!!
Before it's too late.
www.loyaltoliberty.com
c5, I think it's "all of
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 10:24 ET by motherbeltc5, I think it's "all of the above."
Stuart Varney said of Obama ( I think it's in Brad Wilmouth's blog; he was talking to Hannity and Dana Perino):
Look, is the president's heart in victory? Is his heart in winning?
Why is he prosecuting CIA people? Criminally prosecuting -- when they
kept us safe? Why is he bringing terrorists to New York City, the scene
of the crime, when they're going through a civil court? Is this man's
heart in victory?
[ ]
My perception is that his heart is not in it. Hence, the
dithering and delay over Afghanistan. And the half-hearted idea of what
we're going to do there. Hence, the criminal prosecution of CIA and the
trials in New York City.
Frankly, I think Afghanistan is a losing situation. The country is not amenable to "nation-building." But Obama was the one who said it was the "necessary" war.
He needs to man up. If he thinks he was wrong, he needs to say it and commit to withdrawing our troops. If he thinks he was right, he needs to go "all in" and get the job done.
What's this about laying out a plan for a surge AND a plan for withdrawing troops? That sends mixed messages to the Taliban and everyone else!
He wants to portray himself as a strong leader, but as Varney said, his heart's not in it.
That's why he needs West Point Cadets as a backdrop for his speech.
"Good grief Charlie Brown"
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 10:00 ET by vrwc13...this is the last straw...
OBAMA BUMPS 'CHARLIE BROWN CHRISTMAS'... h/t Drudge
Is this the kind of Hope and Change we should expect?
Good grief Barrack Obama, is nothing sacred?
v
...an error was made in 2008
"Good grief Charlie Brown" 2
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 10:04 ET by vrwc13....comment posted in the above article
"*By the way, as for the Charlie Brown Christmas Special, he most likely is broadcasting on that night and time deliberately, after all Muslims do not celebrate Christmas, so to him this show has no meaning as it does to so many people in this country. This show is a staple for the Christmas Season, figures Obama has to ruin even this for this country. Imagine what the Whitehouse is going to look like for Christmas, I can't wait to see those images. If they even decorate the Whitehouse this year."
Posted By: BABETTE | Nov 30, 2009 9:30:42 PM
Well, The One is even more
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 10:25 ET by motherbeltWell, The One is even more important than even Christmas, no?
Well, The One is even more important than even Christmas, no?
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 10:33 ET by vrwc13....yes
v
...an error was made in 2008
...number "One" gift this year...
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 10:40 ET by vrwc13...and notice the warning label at the bottom...hehehe
v
...an error was made in 2008
Modern Democrats
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 09:55 ET by nolotrippenModern Democrats are to war what fish are to lingerie.
We need a new word for cowardice, one where you're afraid to even have someone else fight for you.
Oh, silly me, we already have the word: Democrat.
“It is almost impossible to distinguish a politician from a gangster.” (Will Durant, 1931)
I predicted tea parties would return. Now I'm predicting dueling will return.
nolotrippen
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 11:04 ET by ahusserTheir Motto: "Runaway, runaway" See Copperhead Democrat to see that this isn't a recent phenomenom.
"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'
Look who's clucking now
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 09:57 ET by jdlybrandObama's chickens are coming home to roost!
"What a revoltin' development this is!"
Chester Riley
“There is serious unrest
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 09:58 ET by Dan The Man 2“There is serious unrest in the force Obi-not” the speaker said recently.
LOL, I guess the chickens are coming home to roost. Quite a few Dems voted for the war in Afghanistan and now they have it. Its their war and they will botch it up. Duh Vain One should have given the troops months ago when they were first requested so they could be moved in and setup.
Obama and his advisors most likely know nothing about war and think its like a video game or a movie where logistics don't count. Instant deployment and placement. The SCM will cover for him and applaud hi corageous decision going against his parties wishes. Duh VAin One will win the war Bush got us into; all hail Duh Vain One.
Dan
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 10:02 ET by jdlybrandThat's freaky. You reading my mind?
"What a revoltin' development this is!"
Chester Riley
"The management skills of celery"
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 11:18 ET by needleSarah Palin uses in her book a great Dave Barry quote: “Democrats…have the management skills of celery.”
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- I didn't leave the Republican Party; the Republican Party left me.
Blah, Blah, Blah, should sum up the speech
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 10:05 ET by BluegillI am sure BHO will have a contradiction a minute or more and surely the MSM will never compare previous statements to current ones. This is merely a distraction from the important work of the Healthcare and Climate crisises. Going to be a challenge for BHO to finally make a real decision it only took a few months.
How I see these speeches now
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 10:15 ET by StarAZWhen he blats on looking back and forth, back and forth, like a parakeet on a perch, I have my own internal soundtrack, which goes: "Here is some BS for you, now you, here is some BS, here is more BS for you, and some for you, etc. etc. I can hardly stand to listen to this effete little twit (sorry for disrespecting the office, but that is how I feel). Check out Bob Herbert today...NYT...but Bob, you used to LOVE this guy, one black guy to another, what happened?
Here's the link to
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 10:33 ET by motherbeltHere's the link to Herbert
Poor President Obama.....if he's lost Bob Herbert, he's lost it all.
But the real hoot in on the NYT front page:
Obama Sets Faster Troop Depoloyment to Afghanistan
Isn't that a howler????
After dithering for 3 months, they are claiming he is speeding things up?????
Oh, yes he is.... hd had planned to dawdle with troops for another year, but now is going to get them there in 6 months.
All the while talking about how he's going to bring them home.
Shannon Sharpe
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 10:34 ET by ricklailIn the sports thread on Sunday I mentioned that Shannon Sharpe had said "bullsh^t" in reference to Larry Johnson on the postgame show. Where is the outrage over his motor mouth? He don't know when to shut up. Will CBS do anything about it? Rush was lamblasted by the commissioner where is his lamblasting of this comment.
By the way, he was just chosen as a nominee for the Hall of Fame. Tell me the NFL doesn't have a double standard.
Semper suprene nitens
There is no point dwelling on all the foolish mistakes we have made in our lives. For one thing, it can be very time-consuming. Dr. Thomas Sowell
...and just when you thought Howard Dean was passe...
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 10:59 ET by vrwc13Howard Dean Declares Debate Between Capitalism and Socialism to Be Over h/t Drudge
...comment from above link:
Andy from Beaverton December 1st, 2009 - 9:22 am
Relativity – a theory
Quantum mechanics – a theory
Big bang – a theory
- – - – - – - – - – - – - – -
Global warming – the science is settled
Capitalism vs. socialism – the debate is over
...oh boy, doesn't Howard know his 15 minutes is long gone...
v
"I'm sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and disagree with this administration, somehow you're not patriotic. We need to stand up and say we're Americans, and we have the right to debate and disagree with any administration."
— Hillary Rodham Clinton
Comrade Van Jones is back
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 11:09 ET by R D HelmWhat a surprise.
-Dave
Our elected representatives have failed us.
Of course he
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 12:15 ET by motherbeltOf course he is.
Obama's tactic is to move him out of the public eye and sign him on as a WH "advisor."
It appears that this President has a cabinet out there for show, but is consolidating power in a small select circle.
Scary stuff.
Say it ain't so
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 17:08 ET by jdlybrandI thought for sure ACORN would snatch him up.
"What a revoltin' development this is!"
Chester Riley
Heard yesterday that only
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 11:13 ET by ckc1227Heard yesterday that only 7% of Obama's administration has experience working in the private sector, the lowest of any administration(previous low was 38%).....the other 93% only have experience working in government. In other words, we have a lot of people who know nothing about real world economics trying to fix the economy. What could go wrong, lol?
What could go wrong, lol?
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 11:25 ET by needleOf all his accomplishments, I can’t think of anything that The Big Zero has done right, certainly less than 7%. About those 7% with experience in the private sector, what was their success record? How is it that they happen to be rubbing elbows with the other 93% of loser czars?
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UN Denies WorldNetDaily Press Credentials in Copenhagen
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 11:31 ET by R D HelmWhat a shocker.
-Dave
Our elected representatives have failed us.
Look at who they were going
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 12:30 ET by ricklailLook at who they were going to send, Jerome Corsi. There is no way they want him there. He is relentless in persuing the truth. I guess they are still mad because he had the goods on Kerry.
Semper suprene nitens
There is no point dwelling on all the foolish mistakes we have made in our lives. For one thing, it can be very time-consuming. Dr. Thomas Sowell
I hope they let Ed Anger
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 14:09 ET by Carl KolchakI hope they let Ed Anger from "Weekly World News" go to Copenhagen. If anyone can get to the bottom of Climategate, it is him. He wouldn't let anyone cut off his microphone either.
While no one is looking, CommieCare continues its ominous march
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 12:43 ET by R D Helm...through the Senate:
This is beyond scary.
Somebody please tell me the American people aren't going to sit on their arses while this tyrannical insanity passes, because untangling this mess is going to be damn near impossible in 2013.
-Dave
Our elected representatives have failed us.
"Somebody please tell me
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 14:21 ET by NL207"Somebody please tell me the American people aren't going to sit on their arses while this tyrannical insanity passes"
The time for that remedy passed on Nov. 4, 2008. This Congress does not care what the people think. This tyranny is now unstoppable. Our only hope will be repeal afetr the fact.
Heard Newt suggest this
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 18:53 ET by general companyVery thing NL, Levin as well.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Obama has several goals to
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 14:59 ET by celatorObama has several goals to accomplish tonight. Among them:
1. Make sure we know he has his big boy pants (the pair that doesn't have an embroidered picture of Che Guevara on the back pocket).
2. Blame the previous administration for not "doing the job".
3. Put on his serious look, to suggest this is a real important speech and he's real, real serious.
4. Avoid using the word victory.
5. Confuse as many people as possible as to what the blazes he is really saying and what the real outcome of his plan is supposed to be.
6. Convince the American people that if his plan works, he gets all the credit, if it fails it's our fault.
7. Make sure we don't connect his time-wasting dithering on the issue with the jihadists' need to buy time to arm themselves to the hilt and complete their recruiting and training before we surge.
8. Leave himself all sorts of openings if this thing doesn't work.
9. Convince us that he knows what is going on.
10. Create a timetable so the jihadists know how long they have to hide in the mountains until we leave.
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
Getting your priorities
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 15:13 ET by Jack BauerGetting your priorities right!
The Florida Highway Patrol is actually holding a PRESS CONFERENCE on Tiger Woods.
Kid you not. And Fox carrying it live. That's it. The media world is officially insane.
There is no way the
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 15:41 ET by ricklailThere is no way the messiah's speech could ever top the greatest speech ever given at West Point. I'll bet the MSM will try and push it off as that.
DUTY, HONOR, COUNTRY
Semper suprene nitens
There is no point dwelling on all the foolish mistakes we have made in our lives. For one thing, it can be very time-consuming. Dr. Thomas Sowell
Ricklail
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 15:54 ET by ahusserThanks for the link to a beautiful, well written, and profound speech. That I didn't know existed. Sentiments, truths and attitudes like these are in short supply nowadays.
"Old soldiers never die they just fade away."
"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'
Not to raise your blood pressure, rick
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 17:15 ET by BlondeBut what do you want to bet the yellow-bellied Obama will invoke some of General MacArthur's famous speech, to try to wrap himself in its glory?
I hope he fails, too.
I don't plan on
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 19:57 ET by ricklailI don't plan on watching it for that reason. If invoked something from MacAuthur's speech I am afraid I might collapse the lung for yelling at him. Can't have that. Second half of the Wake-Purdue game will take care of my time.
Semper suprene nitens
There is no point dwelling on all the foolish mistakes we have made in our lives. For one thing, it can be very time-consuming. Dr. Thomas Sowell
Cheers Noel Chandler of Okeechobee Florida
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 18:38 ET by kangarooI am in Okeechobee Florida right now, we have a property up here and I am planting as many fruit trees as I can. any way every 3 years we can get free mulch from the county, they give it to us to save the dump fee of 200 bucks or so a load. We have some wicked neighbors that live well over half a mile away, and put stop to that today reporting it as trash. Well a few phone calls from us the citizens and we are now aloud to get the mulch. The company went ballistic from being stopped, we went ballistic cause we couldn't get the mulch that we were promised, we both whispered lawsuit, and with in hours all was resolved. We are 20 miles out of town in a small community on the Kissimee River, The county Commissioner Noel Chandler District 2 took time out of his day to come out here to see what the problem was, I say cause the perverbale sheet hit the fan somewhere along the line. He said yep that is mulch so we are back in biz, We were only going to get some mulch but they are sending every truckload here, excellent!!!! I guess they got really peaved at these need to get a life nobodys trying to rock the boat mongrals. Anyway want to give a shout out to Noel Chandler no matter if you are a dem or repub, thanks for caring enough to stop the maddness of some. Cheers
GOP Stalls Push for Obamacare in Senate
Wed, 12/02/2009 - 22:21 ET by Free StinkerNewsmax Headline:
GOP Stalls Push for Obamacare in Senate
Things you would never see any other politician do
Wed, 12/02/2009 - 22:36 ET by Free StinkerThings you would never see any other politician do:
Sarah Palin to speak at a Bowling expo.
Bowling. :-)
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