For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: Ft. Hood's implications for gun rights.
Last week’s shootings, which killed 13 people and wounded more than 30, demonstrated once again the folly of “gun-free zones,” which attract and assist people bent on mass murder instead of deterring them.Judging from the comments of those who support this policy of victim disarmament, Smith’s desire for a gun was irrational. According to Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, “This latest tragedy, at a heavily fortified army base, ought to convince more Americans to reject the argument that the solution to gun violence is to arm more people with more guns in more places.”
Note how the reference to “a heavily fortified army base” obscures the crucial point that the people attacked by Hasan were unarmed as a matter of policy. Also note the breathtaking inanity of Helmke’s assurance that “more guns” are not “the solution to gun violence.” In this case, they assuredly were.
Where guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. Seems pretty straightforward, no?
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What idiots like Helmke overlook is the fact
November 11, 2009 - 09:33 ET by myron243that Hasan was stopped by a gun. But only after he had fired approximately 100 rounds killing 13 and wounding 30. I do believe if young Smith had been allowed to carry on Ft. Hood, the situation would have ended sooner. But then, I'm just an old gun clinging redneck with no sophistication.
myron... I'm with ya! I
November 11, 2009 - 12:55 ET by bigtimermyron...
I'm with ya!
I knew the 2nd Amendment would be brought up asap with the msm, and it was, Matthews did first as far as I know...on that day if memory serves me correct, it may have been the next...matters not, it's all the same with the flower-power nit-wit leftist loons...they can't help their pitiful selves....I just wonder how they all think they have remained free to spew their filthy garbage daily, working towards their never-ending agenda to ban all GUNs of every make and model if they can...and we all know it.
Hint to the left....they have their freedom because of our military, past and present...and this is the thanks they always get...especially on a day like today.
MY gratitude is sent to all in the military today-past and present. Our family is eternally grateful.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Obama: the Coward In Chief
November 11, 2009 - 09:37 ET by Gat New YorkThis morning started an Obama full press push back on Morning Joe with Tina Brown and a NY TImes reporter claiming the Fort Hood massacre happened because of the gun lobby and Chicago's Major Daley blamed the incident on "our love of guns."
The hardest thing to do is to confront what it right in front of your nose. What Obama and the left do is take the easier path which is to deny what is in front of your nose and bury your head in the sand - or the Ostrich Strategy.
This country has got to stop this ostrich approach to our Muslim problem. This man was a terrorist. Muslims preach intolerance of all other religions and the idea of Jihad aginst infidels if Islam.
They prey of Muslims individually who may be disturbed or disillusioned as was this man. The people who committed 9/11 were not any different than Nadal and to pretend differently is being an Ostrich.
What happened to Nadal is happening in all of our communities behind the closed doors of mosques who pretend to preach peace.
We need to take our heads out of the sand and confront Muslims in this country to aggressively purge their religion of all radicals.
Like I said on another
November 11, 2009 - 09:51 ET by ricklailLike I said on another thread. Felons can't buy guns legally. So my form of gun contol would stop Muslims from buying guns. We know but our government does not know that we need to control Islam.
Semper suprene nitens
OBAMACARE: If it ain't good enough for my Congressman then it ain't good enough for me.
Purge their religion of all radicals
November 11, 2009 - 20:03 ET by ThisnThatTo do this, you must first purge that religion of the Koran. That's the source of all of this. Any religion that relies upon a book that tells its followers to kill anyone not of the same faith can't be relied upon to become stable.
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"mmm, mmm, mm. Barrack-Hussain-Øbama↓." - The liberals coolaid drinking song
No Guns
November 11, 2009 - 09:40 ET by wingnut55I think the attack at Ft. Hood shows the folly of gun control. Military Bases have a no gun policy. You are not even allowed a knife on the base or fort. It truly does not give argument for gun control, but against it. Anyone who says different has never been in the military and doesn't know what they are talking about.
I could go off on a rant
November 11, 2009 - 09:58 ET by Blondebut I already read a good one on this subject, by one of the best milbloggers on the internet. Scroll down to "A Wolf in Sheep's Clothing" (he refers to Hasan as TMSOS, the murdering sack of ****):
Sums it up pretty neatly, I think.
I hope he fails, too.
What is a vet?
November 11, 2009 - 09:52 ET by ricklailEverything I have read ascribes this to Father Dennis O’Brien USMC.
What Is A Veteran? Some veterans bear visible signs of their service: a missing limb, a jagged scar, a burn or even certain look in the eye. Others may carry the evidence inside them: a pin holding a bone together, a piece of shrapnel in the leg - or perhaps another sort of inner steel: The soul's ally forged in the refinery of adversity, Except in parades, however, the men and women who have kept America safe wear no badge or emblem. You can't tell a veteran just by looking at them.
What is a vet?
He is the cop on the beat who spent six months in Saudi Arabia sweating two gallons a day making sure the armored personnel carriers didn't run out of fuel.
He is the barroom loudmouth, dumber than five wooden planks, whose overgrown frat-boy behavior is outweighed a hundred times in the cosmic scales by four hours of exquisite bravery near the 38th parallel.
She - or he - is the nurse who fought against futility and went to sleep sobbing every night for two solid years in Da Nang.
He is the POW who went away one person and came back another - or didn't come back AT ALL.
He is the Parris Island drill instructor who has never seen combat - but has saved countless lives by turning slouchy, no-account rednecks and gang members into Marines, and teaching them to watch each other's backs.
He is the parade - riding Legionnaire who pins on his ribbons and medals with a prosthetic hand.
He is the career quartermaster who watches the ribbons and medals pass him by.
He is the three anonymous heroes in The Tomb of the Unknowns, whose presence at the Arlington National Cemetery must forever preserve the memory of all the anonymous heroes whose valor dies unrecognized with them on the battlefield or in the ocean's sunless deep.
He is the old guy bagging groceries at the supermarket - palsied now and aggravatingly slow - who helped liberate a Nazi death camp and who wishes all day long that his wife were still alive to hold him when the nightmares come.
He is an ordinary and yet an extraordinary human being - a person who offered some of his life's most vital years in the service of his country, and who sacrificed his ambitions so others would not have to sacrifice theirs.
He is a soldier and a savior and a sword against the darkness, and he is nothing more than the finest, greatest testimony on behalf of the finest, greatest nation ever known.
He was my father, a man whose departure has left a pair of shoes that I can't fill by half.
He was my friend. He watched my back when I was watching his.
He was the high school classmate whose body was never recovered. He was everybody's dad back in the 50's, and we were all proud of them.
He was the nameless Lieutenant who wiped the spit of demonstrators off his clean uniform.
He is my brother, my cousin, my uncle.
He was our grandfathers. And he was at times afraid, but he did his duty in spite of his fear, because he thought we had something worth fighting for.
So remember, each time you see someone who has served our country, just lean over and say "Thank You." That's all most people need, and in most cases it will mean more than any medals they could have been awarded or were awarded.
Semper suprene nitens
OBAMACARE: If it ain't good enough for my Congressman then it ain't good enough for me.
Rick
November 11, 2009 - 10:00 ET by BlondeA salute to you and all of the veterans here on Veterans Day. You have my thanks for your service.
I hope he fails, too.
THANK YOU
November 11, 2009 - 10:28 ET by Willis_Leon_JohnsonTHANK YOU SIR!!!
http://gjresult.com
Nicely said, sir, nicely
November 11, 2009 - 10:40 ET by donaldborschjrNicely said, sir, nicely said.
God Bless America.
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Rick
November 11, 2009 - 13:10 ET by WolfremThank you, sir.
"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." - George Santayana
"So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause." - Padme, Star Wars 3
Thank you.
November 11, 2009 - 15:25 ET by RukusThanks to all our great vets. We owe you more than we can say. Thank you!
Gary
Old media species: Moonbat-a-saurus-rex. Getting more endangered by the day.
As demostrated by this
November 11, 2009 - 09:45 ET by gueinAs demostrated by this latest incident, the implication for gun rights is that those advocates for more restrictive policies will miss no opportunity to assert their misguided beliefs on everyone else. To somehow twist logic by creating an apples/oranges argument between civilian policy and military policy is absurd. Military personnel are trained professionals in regard to firearms, and the fact that guns would be restricted on a military base defies logic.
Consider this
November 11, 2009 - 09:50 ET by Tom in NCGod only knows how many of these jihadists are in this country, whether they are home grown or have come here via our porous northern and southern borders. The fact is, if our guns are taken away what the hell are we going to use against them, HARSH LANGUAGE!!
I believe there are more of these jihadists in this country, a lot more and I also believe that the American public, your ordinary gun owning citizen might very well be the last line of defense against a complete takeover of our country, much like the militia's were in the revolution.
I know one thing, that if liberals want my guns and my ammunition, come and take them if you have the guts, I'll be glad to give them to you, one round at a time.
guns and pencils
November 11, 2009 - 09:53 ET by jdlybrandGuns are no more responsible for death than a pencil is for a misspelled word.
"What a revoltin' development this is!"
Chester Riley
jdly... Lol...love you
November 11, 2009 - 13:19 ET by bigtimerjdly...
Lol...love you analogy there.
I posted my thoughts on this subject towards the top of thread, although I'm quite sure you know anyway.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
The howler of the piece
November 11, 2009 - 09:53 ET by motherbelt“This latest tragedy, at a heavily fortified army base,
ought to convince more Americans to reject the argument that the
solution to gun violence is to arm more people with more guns in
more places.”
Good grief! Was he really serious?
I'm verklempt.
Let's also remember how he was stopped
November 11, 2009 - 10:01 ET by Great DebaterHe walked into a building full of unarmed US Service members and civilian support staff. He killed 13. He injured 30. How was he stopped from killing and injuring even more? A 5'2" woman civilian police officer stepped up and shot him 4 times with her own service handgun - taking one shot herself in the process.
"Proof again that tighter gun laws are needed." Please - if just 10% of the occupants of that building (all of which are ideal targets of our country's enemies, and many of which are regularly trusted with our country's most advanced weapons of war) had been carrying a simple sidearm, how many FEWER would've been killed and injured?
WELL!!! That's just more
November 11, 2009 - 10:32 ET by Willis_Leon_JohnsonWELL!!!
That's just more proof that the cops should have their guns taken away too!
Too many guns caused this act of war.
http://gjresult.com
TX and guns
November 11, 2009 - 19:26 ET by UnsaneI'm surprised no one has noted what would have happened to that Major had he tried it outside the gate.
TX has some of the most permissive gun laws in the country. AND we have concealed carry permits.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
→ You're right
November 11, 2009 - 19:30 ET by Cool ArrowAnd I don't worry whether the guy next to me is carrying. Likely he thinks I am too.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Where's the proof?
November 11, 2009 - 10:08 ET by EddieWalkerIn every country that has banned firearms, crimes with the use of firearms has increased. Even in cities in this country, the ones with the worse violence are those with the strictest gun control laws. The stupidity of blaming the weapon for the crime goes beyond comprehension.
Instead of blaming the terrorist who commited these crimes, they want to blame the weapon. Instead of blaming the total failure of our government in preventing this from happening when it's becoming very obvious that he was sending off warning flags all over the place, they blame the weapon. Instead of admitting that every agency involved in his investigation failed miserably in doing their job and then correcting these failures, they blame the weapon.
How many more terrorist attacks will we have to endure under this administration before we do something about the terrorist here in our country? Who cares if they are offended. I'm all for offending them. Heck, maybe if they got offended, they would go back to where they came from!!!! Why does this government feel the need to coddle and kiss up to those who hate us and want to destroy us? It goes beyond any form of explenation to understand this. And even more shameful is the media's part in justifying this terrorist attack and their attempts to excuse the terrorist and point the finger at the victims.
Something very sick and perverted has taken over out government and media. Thank God that people are starting to waken up and see what has happened.
What have we come to when
November 11, 2009 - 10:11 ET by SnappyWhat have we come to when our military is not allowed arms on their own base. And the outcry from the sychophants? More Gun Control!! If we banned guns altogether this wouldnt have happened!
Our military has a no gun policy on base, the soldiers we employ to protect us are not allowed to carry and the result is they get shot up, killing 13 on US soil by a Muslim Madman and the only outrage I have seen expressed is over Gun Control? Lord Help us.
Iran to Obama: a line in the sand!
November 11, 2009 - 10:21 ET by vrwc13'Obama must choose - Israel or Iran' article
At Istanbul economic forum, Iranian president calls on US counterpart to realize 'Change' motto. h/t Drudge
v
"We ought to obey God rather than men."
Acts 5:29
Interesting comparisons
November 11, 2009 - 10:36 ET by jon_torlinIsn't it interesting that this reminds me of what happened with Virginia Tech? How so? Well, the guy who did Virginia Tech prepared ahead of time for his shooting rampage(oh yeah, he even saw a hooker prior to his shooting, imagine that). He scouted out the area, even blocked some doors, and so on.
Hasan was at best an infiltrator and a sleeper agent at worst. He knew how Ft Hoot operated in terms of guns and security and so on. He knew from the inside who his best targets are, what location, and so on. Those are not the actions of a stressed out man or whatever they want to attribute to this incident.
To the soldiers who were attacked, they were attacked by someone they thought was one of their own. Of course as it turns out, the FBI already knew about this guy a year prior to this, they knew he was someone who had a connection with the same group that caused the 9/11 incident. The blame for this goes very high up.
I said before that it was bad enough that morale in the military is way down, but when something like this SHOULD have been prevented by taking the guy down long before this happened, I wouldn't be surprised if fewer people were to enlist(or re-enlist) once they realize what's going on at the higher levels.
Heads need to roll on this.
-Jon
knee jerk cowardice
November 11, 2009 - 10:47 ET by HuapakechiIf only there weren't so many guns.....
Well, there are. And here's another fact that liberals continually ignore: A handgun is a great equalizer. An armed woman will successfully resist an attacker 99 times out of 100 without having to shoot (would that more did). When a single man is facing a gang of thugs, a handgun evens the odds tremendously. Crime rates in "shall issue" states are down considerably. Citizens with CCW permits comitting criminal acts are extremely rare.
Humans have been killing each other since the dawn of mankind. Weapons remove the basic inequality between brute force/numbers and the more civil/productive. Criminals will pick up weapons, and armed citizens will remove those from the gene pool.
Examine the realities of ANY mass shootings of the hundred years. The killers go for the "soft targets". Large numbers of unarmed and confined targets. The result of brandishing a weapon among armed citizens is predictable, and final. Is this why liberals want us disarmed?
My Signature sums up Liberal Gun Control
November 11, 2009 - 11:36 ET by Tugboat PhilGun Control - The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own pantyhose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound.
Tugboat Phil
November 11, 2009 - 11:43 ET by Sergeant ROCKIf liberals are so convinced that 'gun control' works, why don't they erect a sign in their front yard saying this:
Doing My Part for Gun Control
This is a GUN-FREE Home.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Rock... I've seen some of
November 11, 2009 - 13:22 ET by bigtimerRock...
I've seen some of those signs in my emails as well...plus one of the signs that says exactly what you did, also adds on, but my neighbor next door believes in banning all guns, with an arrow pointed to the home. (something like that, it's hilarious)
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Bad Precedent
November 11, 2009 - 11:12 ET by slickwillie2001I am concerned that as a result of Fort Hood, terrorists now realize that a military base is not as difficult a target for attack as they may have assumed. It looks like almost as easy a target as most colleges and schools, which have always been considered the softest targets.
→ Under Bush
November 11, 2009 - 11:21 ET by Cool ArrowUnder President Bush, the plot against Ft. Dix was thwarted.
Way to go with that Ft. Hood thing, Mr. Obama! "Your watch" is broken.
Learning nothing from the event, President Obama is choosing to treat this terrorist act in the same manner as Bill Clinton treated the first WTC bombing, as a criminal act.
Is he setting us up for another, more massive, military base disaster down the road?
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Ft. Dix vs. Ft. Hood
November 11, 2009 - 11:30 ET by Sergeant ROCKYou know damn well had this been the other way around, this would be a lead story.
I saw on FNC a poll where 27% said this act should be treated as a 'criminal act'. I wonder who they voted for?
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
FBI Priorities
November 11, 2009 - 11:19 ET by slickwillie2001Here's just one thing that the FBI has been hard at work at and as a result has not had time to look into the terrorist Hasan:
Mississippi Cardiologist Won't Go To Prison for Online Dating: http://reason.com
I guess the doctor is not a muslim so he was a safe target.
Safe Targets
November 11, 2009 - 11:26 ET by Sergeant ROCKYou have to remember that liberals don't mind being victims of their own stupidity as long as they can include everyone else.
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
I thought I heard that the
November 11, 2009 - 17:03 ET by balboaI thought I heard that the FBI _did_ look into Hasan and determined him to not be a threat.
Veterans Day
November 11, 2009 - 11:35 ET by ricklailThanks to Hurricane Ida's remnants we are having a cool, rainy, windy day. I am suffering from a bit of the East Carolina Crud so I can't go out for the activities if they are being held at all.
ACM and FCM are showing war movies today. Right now I am watching To Hell and Back with probably the greatest Metal of Honor receipiant this country has ever produced, Audey Murphy. He wasn't much of an actor but he was one hell of soldier. While watching this I got to thinking how he died-in a car wreck. To go through what he went through and then die like that.
I met Metal of Honor receiptiant Jerry Crump one time at the VFW in Lincolnton, NC. He too died of a freak car wreck on his way home one night. He was working as an ROTC instuctor at Davidson College when he struck a parch of black ice. His car when off the road and down an embankment killing him.
Never forget that Ole Blood and Guts himself, Gen. George S. Patton, too died in a vehicle accident.
I know you Marines have some stories to tell so let heard them
Semper suprene nitens
OBAMACARE: If it ain't good enough for my Congressman then it ain't good enough for me.
One minor point
November 11, 2009 - 12:49 ET by UpNorthRick. Audie Murphy was killed in a plane crash. The wing came off a plane he was flying.
BTW, if you get a chance, read up on Matt Urban, another MOH recipient.
I recall someone dying in a
November 11, 2009 - 13:11 ET by ricklailI recall someone dying in a car wreck in East Tenn. I always thought it was Audey Murphy
Semper suprene nitens
OBAMACARE: If it ain't good enough for my Congressman then it ain't good enough for me.
"Where guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."
November 11, 2009 - 11:36 ET by R D HelmWhere guns are outlawed, only outlaws [and government] will have guns.
Sorry, just passing through on my way elsewhere, but I just couldn't pass that one up.
-Dave
Our elected representatives have failed us.
→ Dave
November 11, 2009 - 11:39 ET by Cool ArrowGet your buttocks back in here.
I'm not going to na.., I mean, pester you.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
"Where guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."
November 11, 2009 - 13:10 ET by Willis_Leon_Johnson... slight alteration.
When guns are outlawed, terrorists, criminals and liberal politicians bodyguards will have guns.
http://gjresult.com
Until I See My Leftie Neighbors Give Up THEIR Guns
November 11, 2009 - 12:12 ET by Anneke9... I will not be worried, despite the drumbeat of propaganda from the MSM. Armstrong & Getty, a morning drivetime talk radio show in Northern California (knew910.com), had an interesting call on Tue. 11/10. The caller claimed to be a Muslim who had served in the Army in the 1990s. You might expect him to launch into a rant about mistreatment of Muslims in the military and other grievances, but the caller complained about the policy change in 1993 when the military forced Officers on bases to stop carrying weapons. His contention? If Officers at Ft. Hood had been armed, they might've been able to stop Hasan sooner rather than later, while waiting for civilian police to arrive. Quite a surprising, atypical response. People like the protection that having a gun affords. As long as criminals have guns, average citizens (including Libs) will want to have guns.
Camouflage conservative in Baghdad-by-the-Bay
I don't recall officers
November 11, 2009 - 14:50 ET by ricklailI don't recall officers ever carrying on post. When they paid us in cash the officer was always armed as was one of his sargents. That is the only time I saw them carry a load weapon. MP's were the only others had loaded weapons.
We were never issued ammo when we picked up our weapons. Got that once we got to the range or training area. All brass and ammo had to be turned in before leaving the area.
Semper suprene nitens
OBAMACARE: If it ain't good enough for my Congressman then it ain't good enough for me.
Rick
November 11, 2009 - 14:56 ET by BlondeI posted an item from a milblogger, above. He stated that there was an historical precedent for officers being armed in garrison, but of course, that could go back to Custer's time. I suppose we dould do some searching on the internet.
It only makes sense that someone who is licensed to conceal carry should be allowed to do so on a military installation. Particularly in this day and age (and we have alot of open bases here).
I hope he fails, too.
Rick, that's my memory also.
November 11, 2009 - 14:57 ET by celatorRick, that's my memory also. I go to the local Navy base occasionally and there is a huge sign that warns: "NO Weapons may be brought onto this base by anyone entering the property." There are occasional checks--going over every inch of your vehicle with mirrors and a dog, but not often. It's probably 100 percent of all vehicles checked these days though, given the Ft. Hood tragedy.
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
Never have I seen armed anyone on base except cops
November 11, 2009 - 19:32 ET by UnsaneNo way in hell. I, as an officer, once entered base with two boxes of shotgun shells and (lucky me!) my truck was searched that morning in a random selection. When they saw the shells - the shells, mind you - they freaked. The cops (SF) thought for SURE they had found a vehicle with a gun!
Unfortunately for them I own no shotgun and was taking them to the range that day for some shooting with a rented gun.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
→ Except on payday
November 11, 2009 - 19:35 ET by Cool ArrowPayroll was always escorted. Back in the day.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Lula seeks explanation for huge Brazil blackout...
November 11, 2009 - 12:17 ET by vrwc13Lula seeks explanation for huge Brazil blackout
...hmm let's have some fun with this one:
v
...an error was made in 2008
Little Known Sarah Palin Fact
November 11, 2009 - 12:18 ET by Free StinkerLittle Known Sarah Palin Fact :
After Sarah Palin is sworn in as President on January 20, 2013, the USA will hereby be know as the United States of Awesome!
خال
What is a Vet?
November 11, 2009 - 12:37 ET by FastEdMy bi-annual posting:
WHAT IS A VET?
Some veterans bear visible signs of their service a missing limb, a jagged
scar, a certain look in the eye. Others may carry the evidence inside
them a pin holding a bone together, a piece of shrapnel in the leg -
or perhaps another sort of inner steel the soul's ally forged in the
refinery of adversity. Except in parades, however, the men and women
who have kept America safe wear no badge or emblem. You can't tell a
vet just by looking.
What is a vet?
He is the cop on the beat who spent six months in Saudi Arabia sweating
two gallons a day making sure the armored personnel carriers didn't run
out of fuel.
He is the barroom loudmouth, dumber than five wooden planks, whose overgrown
frat-boy behavior is outweighed a hundred times in the cosmic scales
by four hours of exquisite bravery near the 38th parallel.
She - or he - is the nurse who fought against futility and went to sleep
sobbing every night for two solid years in Da Nang.
He is the POW who went away one person and came back another - or didn't
come back AT ALL.
He is the Quantico drill instructor who has never seen combat - but has
saved countless lives by turning slouchy, no-account rednecks and gang
members into Marines, and teaching them to watch each other's backs.
He is the parade - riding Legionnaire who pins on his ribbons and medals
with a prosthetic hand.
He is the career quartermaster who watches the ribbons and medals pass
him by.
He is the three anonymous heroes in The Tomb Of The Unknowns, whose presence
at the Arlington National Cemetery must forever preserve the memory of
all the anonymous heroes whose valor dies unrecognized with them on the
battlefield or in the ocean's sunless deep.
He is the old guy bagging groceries at the supermarket - palsied now
and aggravatingly slow - who helped liberate a Nazi death camp and who
wishes all day long that his wife were still alive to hold him when the
nightmares come.
He is an ordinary and yet an extraordinary human being - a person who
offered some of his life's most vital years in the service of his country,
and who sacrificed his ambitions so others would not have to sacrifice
theirs.
He is a soldier and a savior and a sword against the darkness, and he
is nothing more than the finest, greatest testimony on behalf of the
finest, greatest nation ever known.
So remember, each time you see someone who has served our country, just
lean over and say "Thank You." That's all most people need, and in most
cases it will mean more than any medals they could have been awarded
or were awarded.
Two little words that mean a lot, "THANK YOU".
added 11/10/06
He was my father, a man whose departure has left a pair of shoes that I can't fill by half.
He was my friend. He watched my back when I was watching his.
He was the high school classmate whose body was never recovered.
He was everybody's dad back in the 50's, and we were all proud of them.
He was the nameless Lieutenant who wiped the spit of demonstrators off his clean uniform.
He is my brother, my cousin, my uncle. He was our grandfathers. And he was at times afraid, but he did his duty in spite of his fear, because he thought we had something worth fighting for.
Proud member of the MOB - Move Over Barack, we want our country back!
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad V
FastEd great post! I went
November 11, 2009 - 17:09 ET by Radical1979FastEd great post! I went to Applebee's for lunch today and they were serving active military and veterens free food. I loved being in there with those great people.
Any vets out there give your Applebee's a call, they may give you a free meal!
Hey FE... I love reading
November 11, 2009 - 17:12 ET by bigtimerHey FE...
I love reading this every year you've put this here...and we've both been here about the same length of time.
Thank you once again.
...and to all Vets past and present.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Thanks, Fast Ed
November 11, 2009 - 17:52 ET by general companyReally great Memorial.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Milwaukee muggers are patriotic
November 11, 2009 - 12:43 ET by SouthJersey1953Four men who mugged a Milwaukee Army reservist at gunpoint returned his belongings and thanked him for his service after finding the Military ID.
HERE is the link to the story.
Happy Veteran's Day to my fellow vets! (US Navy Submarine Service 1971-1979)
Why is no one talking about..
November 11, 2009 - 12:53 ET by MightyMouth1. Lone gunman.
2. Screaming "Allah Achbar"
3. Armed with 2 semi auto pistols.
4. In the vacinity of over 600 people.
5. Gets off over 100 rounds??
He would have to reload several times! What are we not being told?
"The bureaucracy is growing to meet the needs of the growing bureaucracy"
MM...he had one of these...
November 11, 2009 - 13:39 ET by vrwc13The most powerful type of ammunition for the FN 5.7 gun is available only to law enforcement and military personnel. Gun control advocates call it a "cop killer" weapon because that ammo can pierce bulletproof vests, and its use by Mexican drug cartels worries police. (one clip carries 20 rounds) from here
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Re FN
November 11, 2009 - 14:04 ET by slickwillie2001By the way, it appears that the anti-2nd Amendment groups' claims that with the restricted armor-piercing ammunition Hasan's gun can penetrate standard body armor may be false.
"The Five-SeveN pistol was released to the U.S. civilian market in 2004. Shortly thereafter, the Brady Campaign and a trio of anti-gun law enforcement organizations made the claim that the gun was a “cop killer.” This claim was based upon a misrepresentation of marketing materials discussing the pistol’s capabilities using SS190 armor-piercing ammunition and non-certified “tests” that were contradicted by more stringent and controlled testing done by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (BATF)."
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/
Hasan was not using the restricted ammunition. I believe he chose that weapon for the large magazine, not the claims of armor-piercing capability. He suspected that he would be under fire and probably die while reloading.
MM..update on Hasan the 'lone gunman'
November 11, 2009 - 16:20 ET by vrwc13Mr Shy found this article:
"He was very swift, very tactical," Burnette told reporters Wednesday outside the Metroplex Adventist Hospital near Fort Hood.
Army 1st Sgt. James McLeod, of Fort Hood's 467th Combat Stress Control Detachment, told reporters he was there when the shootings occurred.
"I can't really say that the perpetrator of this was really one of our own," McLeod said. "Soldiers do not do this to each other, so this is something a little bit different."
...seems he was well 'trained' in what he was doing.
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"We love death more then you love life!" - Major Nidal Malik Hasan (Fort Hood jihadist)
Do We Have To Fight Fascist Every 50 Years?
November 11, 2009 - 12:54 ET by lareeVeterans Day Pacific WWII Theater remembering my Dad.
http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/2009/11/veterans-day-pacific-wwii-memorial.html
El Rushbo made my day so
November 11, 2009 - 12:58 ET by bigtimerEl Rushbo made my day so far....loved how he took care of the caller Sam...calling him a doofus, changed it to idiot because he didn't think good ol' Sam could understand the word doofus.
He was angry too.
Job well done Rush...you spoke for millions of us.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Bamster 46%
November 11, 2009 - 13:10 ET by slickwillie2001The Bamster's numbers continue to slide, approval rating now at 46%, lower than the merdivorous Jimmy Carter at the same point in his only term:
http://www.weaselzippers.net
Columbia Prof pretty much defines "Hate Crime" to me
November 11, 2009 - 13:58 ET by IgnatzJFahrquarBlack Columbia Professor punches a white woman over race issues discussions.
Well, we know he'll skate.
"You should always tell the truth, because if you tell the truth you make it the other person's problem." Sean Connery
→ Hate crime
November 11, 2009 - 14:02 ET by Cool ArrowI'm surprised President Obama didn't give Prof. McIntyre a shout-out while presenting a wreath to the Unknown Soldier today.
Of course, once again, the police acted stupidly.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
He'll invite him over or a
November 11, 2009 - 14:43 ET by ricklailHe'll invite him over or a brew. She won't get an invite because it is going to look bad when America sees a white woman who was hit.
Semper suprene nitens
OBAMACARE: If it ain't good enough for my Congressman then it ain't good enough for me.
Fist Bumps and High Fives
November 11, 2009 - 16:00 ET by Dan DiegoFist Bumps and High Fives will be done off camera, you know she was asking for it.
"The punch came out of nowhere. Mac was talking to us about white privilege and what I was doing about it -- apparently I wasn't doing enough." - Shannon.
Re Columbia prof
November 11, 2009 - 14:31 ET by slickwillie2001In some articles I have read on this, it is not made clear that the victim was a woman. They use words like Columbia employee, or coworker, etc.
Not only will he go free, I suggest that the victim will be pressured by her employer to drop any charges and she will be sent to 'Diversity Awareness' training to assist her in recognizing how she drove the professor to violence.
IJF... Thank you for this
November 11, 2009 - 16:07 ET by bigtimerIJF...
Thank you for this link, I heard about this on the radio with Rush.
...and of course the leftists will remain 'mum' about this...as always.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
On this day I want to thank
November 11, 2009 - 16:03 ET by Scuba DudeOn this day I want to thank all you Veterans out there for your service to our great country. Thank you all.
The Obama Administration: THE most fiscally irresponsible Administration EVER
scoobs
November 11, 2009 - 16:06 ET by MrShyHear hear!
Today would be a good
November 11, 2009 - 16:49 ET by Willis_Leon_JohnsonToday would be a good day to be in Fredricksburg, Texas at the Pacific War Museum.
The home of Admiral Nimitz, the museum occupies several locations and one of the best museums on war I have ever seen.
I would like to express my appreciation to the people that created and manage the institution!
http://gjresult.com
Nimitz's home
November 11, 2009 - 19:35 ET by UnsaneThat is no lie. I have had the privilege to visit that museum and buy some items from its bookstore some years back. If any of you are in TX, you gotta go there. Only 62 miles from San Antonio.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
→ Fredericksburg, Tx
November 11, 2009 - 19:42 ET by Cool ArrowBoth my parents are from there.
Some years back, two work buddies and I were on our way to the Guadalupe River for our annualLabor Day lost weekend. As we entered Fredericksburg, we realized there was a Parade going on.
We found a place to stand and watch, and here comes Former President Bush I and Eddie Albert, in the back of a convertible. They were expanding the WWII Museum to include a chunk of real estate around the old Nimitz Steamboat Hotel.
Really wish Oliver Douglas had been driving a tractor.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Re Driving a Tractor
November 11, 2009 - 20:11 ET by slickwillie2001Was Arianna with him in the convertible?
No to be confused with
November 11, 2009 - 20:17 ET by Dan DiegoNo to be confused with Arnold.
Islamic Terrorist Nidal Malik Hasan
November 11, 2009 - 16:07 ET by MrShyThis very well-prepared/trained Islamic Jihadist Terrorist d-bag was swift and tactical, according to one survivor.
MrS... Hey thanks for
November 11, 2009 - 16:12 ET by bigtimerMrS...
Hey thanks for that link...if Sanjay did this interview as said, it's a miracle CNN hasn't intentionally messed with what this man said as well...after-all they sure did a great job screwing with the other guy's words that was there and shot as well.
Ah well, give 'em time, the day isn't over yet.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
BT
November 11, 2009 - 16:14 ET by MrShyYeah, someone will surely be called into the Senior Editor's office at CNN for a once-over, and soon enough they'll pull that video down and (cough) replace it with a "transcript".
Breaking News! The
November 11, 2009 - 16:29 ET by bigtimerBreaking News!
The Empty-Suit has granted Fox news an interiew with Major Garrett...
Big WHOOP is what I say!
He's also making the rounds with the other stations, he just isn't excluding Fox...
Well, aren't we lucky!
Give me a break!
I guess Drudge has it posted as if this major news to all of us in our daily lives...NOT me.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
C - N - fudgin' - N
November 11, 2009 - 18:03 ET by MrShyCNN.
The Most Trusted Name In Tarring & Feathering The GOP Brand With Its Choice of Words.
Check out this homepage-featured piece on Michelle Bachmann "crashing the party", with this as the blurb:
In many ways, Michele Bachmann is the ideal political creature of the Tea Party era. Her path to power doesn't lie in moving up the GOP leadership ladder, but in ignoring it entirely. FULL STORY.
Then when you click on that, you get this headline:
Michele Bachmann's 'high stakes' political game grows
And then the article, which I'm just starting to read and I'm sure features a plethora of more carefully chosen words and phrases.
We are "creatures" seeking out a "path to power", "ignoring entirely" (reckless, I tell you!) the moderate/RINOs, "crashing the party" (unhinged!!) and playing high stakes "games".....
POS CNN.
MrShy... So, so
November 11, 2009 - 18:08 ET by bigtimerMrShy...
So, so typical.
They'll be eating her dust...in fact, a heck of a lot of dust from all of us, Tea Partiers to-boot.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
JOKE OF THE DAY:
November 11, 2009 - 19:00 ET by BarkerOne day a fourth-grade teacher asked the children what their fathers
did for a living.. All the typical answers came up -- fireman,
mechanic, businessman, salesman, doctor, lawyer, and so forth.
However, little Justin was being uncharacteristically quiet, so
when the teacher prodded him about his father, he finally replied,
'Okay...my father's an exotic dancer in a gay cabaret and takes off
all his clothes in front of other men and they put money in his
underwear.
Sometimes, if the offer is really good, he will go home with some guy and stay with him all night for money.'
The teacher, obviously shaken by this statement, hurriedly set the
other children to work on some exercises and then took little Justin
aside to ask him, 'Is that really true about your father?'
'No', the boy said, 'He actually works for the Democratic National
Committee and helped get Barack Obama elected President last year, but
I was too embarrassed to say that in front of the class.'
→ Barker
November 11, 2009 - 19:11 ET by Cool ArrowThere was a bumper sticker here in Texas to that effect
Please don't tell momma I'm oilfield trash. She thinks i'm a piano player in a whorehouse
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
I heard the same joke several years ago
November 11, 2009 - 19:48 ET by ACWbut GWB and the Republican Party were the reason little Justin was so ashamed. Recycled low brow humor..
ACW, Excellent,
November 11, 2009 - 20:46 ET by BarkerCritical analysis and fact-checking....of a joke.
It's all Bush's fault you were able to laugh back then.
My take on gun control
November 11, 2009 - 19:24 ET by Unsane"The law is far, the fist is near." - Korean proverb
A late Happy Veterans Day to all my fellow vets out there.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Lou Dobbs has resigned
November 11, 2009 - 19:37 ET by general companyEffective now?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Obama dither some more in Afganistan
November 11, 2009 - 20:36 ET by general companyGood grief, this cant be good?
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Veterans Day
November 11, 2009 - 20:44 ET by BlondeI discovered a new version of one of my favorite songs....a fitting tribute to the Greatest Generation on Veterans Day.
I talked to my step-dad today, he will be 87 next month. He flew B-17's. My uncle (who was in the Pacific) is still with us....but we lost another family friend just yesterday. These wonderful men and women won't be with us much longer. We owe them so much....too much to let our country be taken away by greedy politicians and idealogues.
To all of our veterans, my sincerest thanks.
I hope he fails, too.
God Bless the Vet
November 11, 2009 - 21:02 ET by BarkerOur fighting men and women are in the midst of a war. The General on the ground asks for additional troops to help those on the frontlines. The Commander-in-Chief dithers for months as our troops wait. And wait. And wait. And die.
This is dereliction of duty by the so-called CIC.
That's a High Crime in my book.
Man killed by VP's Secret
November 11, 2009 - 21:26 ET by MaximusBraveheartMan killed by VP's Secret Service vehicles - I'd rather be grazed by Cheney than run over...
Snip - in part only http://www.washingto...
By: Scott McCabe
Examiner Staff Writer
November 12, 2009
Two
U.S. Secret Service armored vehicles used to protect Vice President
Biden struck and killed a pedestrian in Temple Hills early Wednesday
morning, authorities said.
The vehicles were traveling together from Andrews Air Force Base at
about 2:30 a.m. when the pedestrian was hit at the intersection of
Suitland Parkway and Naylor Road in Temple Hills, U.S. Park Police said.
snip of comments:
You know, for years I've been saying that the way SS tears up the DC
streets in their trucks will result with an pedestrian getting killed.
I hope. No, I PRAY, that this incident is a reality check to all of the
SS behind the wheel, thinking that they're better than everyone else on
the road. Doesn't matter who you outrank when you kill someone by
accident, buddy boy. -Hurricane
Must be W's fault! -1415dr
Everyone who lives in DC and/or works downtown has been afraid this would be
them. The Secret Service are very inconsiderate drivers, especially
when it comes to pedestrians. Maybe now someone higher up will get wind
of the problem, and something will be done about it. I'm not going to
count on it, though. - rufrignkidnme
All my thanks
November 11, 2009 - 21:52 ET by RESTLESS 1and admiration to our veterans here at Newsbusters, and everywhere and anywhere they may be. Your sacrifices and bravery are forever revered by this Newsbuster.
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest