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By NB Staff (Bio | Archive)
November 6, 2009 - 10:07 ET

For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: how will apologists try to spin this one?

Soldiers who witnessed the shooting rampage at Fort Hood that left 13 people dead reported that the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar!" — an Arabic phrase for "God is great!" — before opening fire, the base commander said Friday.

Our thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and their families. This is just more evidence that Hasan had assumed the role of Jihadist in the massacre.

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"Allahu Akbar!" — an

November 6, 2009 - 10:15 ET by notonmywatch

"Allahu Akbar!" — an Arabic phrase for "God is great!"

Actually it means "greater". It derives from when "allah" was simply the moon god, 1 of 360 gods in the "kaaba", and the new cult swept away the others, making "allah", the moon god, the "greater" one.

What it means today is they think by killing people, women, children, whoever, that it means their "allah" moon god is "greater" than the God of the Bible, real God.

"just more evidence that Hasan had assumed the role of Jihadist in the massacre"

Is evidence really needed? Of course. This is 9/11 on just a numerically smaller scale. 9/11 wasn't about the building going down, it was about the PEOPLE MURDERED. So here they have killed 13. Is that such a lesser crime?

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NB: by crime, I mean against

November 6, 2009 - 10:17 ET by notonmywatch

NB: by crime, I mean against humanity. Of course it is an act of war, not a simple crime to be dealt with by the courts like a shoplifter.

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Not That Important If You're The AP

November 6, 2009 - 11:00 ET by NoMoreClintons

The most recent AP report buried the shocking "Allah Akbar" comment in the 7th graph. I guess that's only of passing importance to the AP. Losers.

"...the new cult swept away

November 6, 2009 - 12:41 ET by mattm

"...the new cult swept away the others."

More accurately, the armies of Mohammed swept away the others by forcing conversion to the new political religion at the point of a sword.

Mohammed knew that the only wat to rule the Arabs was to unify them, and the only way to do that was by getting them all under one religion. So, he made one up, became its prophet, and set out on his jihad - which has killed millions and enslaved hundreds of millions over the centuries.

The Inquisition was disgraceful, but it was peanuts compared to all the Islamic "holy" wars and the oppressive regimes it has spawned.

We are at war with a religion, not a country.

November 6, 2009 - 10:21 ET by Red Jeep

Time to face reality.

But I am sure that before this is done the SCM will spin this to make the Fort Hood murderer a victim of a bad uncaring arrogant America.

By the way SCM there is no need to make this man’s name infamous. Why
mention his name anymore? He is caught. If you need a noun for him call
him the Ft. Hood murderer. Make his name as dead in the MSM as his
victims are. Don’t give him fame where none is needed.

Alleged, Suspect. Shooting incident

November 6, 2009 - 11:08 ET by ThisnThat

These are the words AP is currently using. As well as these phrases:

"mostly very quiet" person

never spoke ill of the military or his country

had some "difficulties" that required counseling and extra supervision

he had been harassed about being a Muslim - Some people can take it and some people cannot

had sought a discharge from the military for several years

He was mortified by the idea of having to deploy

attended prayers regularly

Nothing stood out about Hasan as radical or extremist

I suspect America is going to be blamed, especially the "intolerant and mean" military -- and Bush, of course, for driving this innocent victim insane.

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Poor Muslims

November 6, 2009 - 11:32 ET by justbob223

I became a Christian at the age of 13. I am now nearly 58. Over the years I have been harassed, insulted, and made fun of for my faith more times than I can count. Not once in all those times did I ever think or feel that I needed to assault or kill anyone in response. Jesus warned his disciples that such things come with the territory of being his followers. Muslims, however, seem unable to endure the slightest insult as Islam appears to be the Religion of Perpetual Outrage.

May I add...

November 6, 2009 - 13:26 ET by Secret Conservative

Bob, Islam and LIBERALISM are the religions of perpetual outrage.

Secret Con

November 6, 2009 - 13:30 ET by MrShy

I just made that my new facebook status..... thanks! (and credited you @ NB, of course :))

my apologies

November 6, 2009 - 11:16 ET by TruthMonger

On NB this subject is the only one where I seem to be the only disagreeing Christian. IMO these psychos aren't any more Muslims than David Koresh was a Christian...

Never the less if one insists they are Muslim than the percentage of Muslims who are terrorists is probably about 1% at best - but who here is going to buy any of that - your minds are made up. The probability facts remain that less than 15% of all Muslims live in the Middle East, and less than that in terrorist hotbeds worldwide, and even less of those who actually condone terrorism, and even less of those who actually practice it. There are many millions of Muslims in Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Malaysia, China, the Arabian peninsula, north Africa, not to mention much of Europe and north America. Only a handful could possibly even condone terrorism much less practice it...

Even if 1,000,000 Muslims have blown themselves up in the last 100 years - that's still only about .010 percent of the current population.

I don't equate contemporary Christians to today's Muslims. But we do know that some have bomb abortion clinics, are violent and kill homosexuals, some are very anti-semetic, some are very racist - the KKK is exclusively Christian, WW2 Germany was Christian - a major justification for killing Jews at that time. Some black-Christian churches are racist against non-blacks. Same with the white christians of yesteryear who enslaved blacks and stole the lands from the indigenous...

And furthermore this is not just a 2009 problem. Religious wars have been going on long before we heard of Muslim terrorists.

Congratulations Jimmy Carter!

I'll drink to that...

November 6, 2009 - 14:13 ET by mvfreeman

Too bad I have to wait 'til 5.

Cheers.

MV & TM

November 6, 2009 - 14:36 ET by MrShy

I pity that you people equate the two. Do so at your own risk.

Hey buddy

November 6, 2009 - 14:40 ET by mvfreeman

I don't discount the crazies affilliated with radical Islam, I just differentiate them from folks who aren't blowing shit up.

MV

November 6, 2009 - 14:56 ET by MrShy

Well, the two religions on so many levels are completely different. One runs utterly counter to a Western, modern culture and way of living -- which you and I both enjoy. You know which one.

And again, when you combine actual Jihadists, those in training, those sympathetic, those who abide by some very barbaric rules in the Koran, i.e. view/treatment of women and forced dressing, family rituals, etc. and add it all up -- ALL of which falls under the category of "crazy" in a civilized 21st Century world -- you are no longer talking about a small minority... and possibly not even a minority at all.

I think we both know...

November 6, 2009 - 15:02 ET by mvfreeman

...where the other stands, so let's just leave it at that.

And if I want to have that beer at five I need to start doing some actual work instead of arguing on the internet.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p14/mvfreeman/12345.jpg

MV

November 6, 2009 - 15:10 ET by MrShy

Well, hold on. Where do you stand? One religion in so many ways runs counter to Western culture and life, and it's being played out in bloodshed all over the world.

You disagree? Or you have some slightly different take on it? No name calling, I promise, but we're here to debate, non?

EDIT: Props on the pic, btw... and that's exactly how I feel. I don't have a wife to answer to, though, so I'll be here. :p

Well right now its my job calling

November 6, 2009 - 15:11 ET by mvfreeman

"Well, hold on. Where do you stand?"

I made a quick summation under "hey buddy".

Late.

MV

November 6, 2009 - 15:26 ET by MrShy

But you have nothing to say, still, regarding any concerns with Islam the religion itself? You are confident in seeing it as just another religion with it's own bad apples, but one that is no different from others otherwise?

A yes or no I guess will suffice on these.

And hiding behind constant "gotta run" but continuing to post is, well, lame.

It's five o'clock

November 6, 2009 - 14:35 ET by kangaroo

It's five o'clock somewhere!!!

One of my favorite sayings

November 6, 2009 - 14:56 ET by mvfreeman

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p14/mvfreeman/1234.jpg

My apologies too, TM

November 6, 2009 - 14:26 ET by Barker

...WW2 Germany was Christian - a major
justification for killing Jews at that time.

I have never read a more despicable assertion than that on Newsbusters..

~He specializes in that

November 6, 2009 - 14:28 ET by choselife3x

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

Anyone can claim to be a

November 6, 2009 - 14:56 ET by Lifelong Memphian

Anyone can claim to be a Christian. That doesn't make it truth.

Anyone can claim to be a Muslim. That doesn't make it truth.

Here is the truth...

A "devout" muslim will read and study the Koran. This book will instruct him to kill. If he is devout, he will follow the "commandment". If he is not, he will go against it.

A "devout" Christian will read and study the Bible. The Bible will teach to love and obey God's commands (i.e. - Thou shalt not kill, lie, steal...etc.). If he is devout, he will follow those commands. If he is not, he will go against them. God never once told us to bomb an abortion clinic. And if the fruit who did it said that God told him to, that person is A LIAR.

I'm really tired of everyone calling muslims who kill/harm others only the "radicals".

Islam + Political Correctness = Dead Americans

November 6, 2009 - 10:29 ET by R D Helm

Hasan was under investigation six months ago for his radical (I say mainstream) Islamic views.

I have two questions:

What was this person still doing in the U.S. Army?
Why was he allowed to run around on a U.S. Military base in wartime, armed to the teeth?

Somebody dropped the ball in a big way here, and needs to be held to account for their (in)action.

If a person who was this blatant about their ant-American beliefs was allowed to remain in the military unmolested, you have to wonder just how many other Islamists might there be in the ranks who are less vocal, but every bit as "radical"as is Hasan.

Are we going to wait for one of these uniformed primitives to blow up a barracks, blow a hole in the hull of a warship, or crash a fully-armed fighter into the island of an aircraft carrier to find out?

It's time to get the Islamists out of our military entirely, preferably before mindless Political Correctness gets even more of our military personnel senselessly killed.

This should not have happened, as it could have been easily prevented

-Dave

Our elected representatives have failed us.

"What was this person still

November 6, 2009 - 10:42 ET by notonmywatch

"What was this person still doing in the U.S. Army?"

I'm sure because they didn't want to be seen as "profiling".

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They are everywhere in the Army...

November 6, 2009 - 10:44 ET by stage9

there is no law against being a muslim in the US military.

"If God is dead, somebody is going to have to take his place. It will
be megalomania or erotomania, the drive for power or the drive for
pleasure, the clenched fist or the phallus, Hitler or Hugh Hefner."
— Malcolm Muggeridge

Did you even read what it

November 6, 2009 - 10:47 ET by notonmywatch

Did you even read what it was in reply to?

"Hasan was under investigation six months ago for his radical (I say mainstream) Islamic views."

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There should be...

November 6, 2009 - 10:48 ET by Red Jeep

...until this War on Terror is over.

Perhaps there should be. If

November 6, 2009 - 10:50 ET by notonmywatch

Perhaps there should be. If you actually bother to learn what it actually SAYS in their "koran", rather than assume that "all religions are equal, it's all the same, people trying to be good etc", which is what a modern TV-educated atheist/agnostic thinks, you will find that if they actually believe that book, they are commanded to do whatever it takes to convert, kill, and take over everything. It's a virus.

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"...there is no law against being a muslim in the US military."

November 6, 2009 - 10:51 ET by R D Helm

Perhaps it's time there was.

-Dave

Our elected representatives have failed us.

Not gonna happen

November 6, 2009 - 11:22 ET by mvfreeman

It would be blatant discrimination.

Not to mention the army has a shortage of arabic interpreters/translators and are actively recruiting middle eastern people to fill the vacancies...

http://www.job-search-engine.com/keyword/arabic-to-english-translator

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-11113915.html

Edit:

Not to mention all the pesky first amendment issues.

Dave, I suspect the

November 6, 2009 - 11:12 ET by ThisnThat

Dave, I suspect the military might have been given some credits for meeting a Congressional quota of muslims in the military.

And then, like the Congressional black caucus -- if you investigate more muslims than, say, Christians, you can be accused of "targeted racism" -- so naturally, you have to avoid those investigations because obviously muslim is the religion of peace, dontcha know.

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mv and TnT,

November 6, 2009 - 21:07 ET by R D Helm

Its just too bad that 13 people lost their lives, and 38 more were wounded just so the U.S. Military could appear "stylish."

This stoopid PC bullsh*t is going to get us all killed if this lunacy isn't stopped.

-Dave

Our elected representatives have failed us.

They are doing what they have to do

November 6, 2009 - 22:23 ET by mvfreeman

How is filling critical positions being "stylish"?

To answer your question...

November 6, 2009 - 10:43 ET by stage9

Yes, we are...("Are we going to wait...") because political correctness is the antithesis of courage. Courage requires an absolute set of moral principles - standing firmly on what you know to be right and denouncing what you know to be wrong - but we have embraced a culture of cowardice that says if you stand on righteousness and moral conviction, you are "hateful" and discriminatory.

We will wait for another 9/11 because we lack the character and the courage to stop it.

Until we have the courage to stand up and say enough is enough to political correctness - holding our companies accountable for imposing it in the workplace and our politicians for hiding behind it - nothing will ever change. Ultimately, if this is not dealt with, we will raise a generation who will just let our enemies walk right into our country - unchallenged - and do with it what they will.

Of course, Dave, their

November 6, 2009 - 10:52 ET by motherbelt

Of course, Dave, their inaction was due to political correctness.

Wouldn't do to imply that a Muslim might be just half-bubble off plumb...that would be racist, or bigoted, or whatever.

Political correctness is going to be the death of us (or at least many more individuals) in this country.

Are we going to wait for one of these uniformed primitives to blow up a
barracks, blow a hole in the hull of a warship, or crash a fully-armed
fighter into the island of an aircraft carrier to find out?

Yes, we are. And even after that, they will find a way to whitewash it as a "disaffected soldier" and posit any number of reasons (other than Jihad) to explain the attack.

I'm expecting another round of liberal hand-wringing, whining that we have to bring our troops home and stop this "war-mongering"....this is another indication that they are cracking under the pressure.

PC already is...

November 6, 2009 - 11:13 ET by CCsteelcity

Being "politically correct" has already killed us. The ACLU has already claimed quit a bit of that freedom from us. One person out of a whole country can complain about something and then it can change the rest of the country for life. Our freedoms of speech, religion (hate crimes bill), is just another way of showing how the NEW WORLD ORDER of Obamunism is taking over.

The days of morals, ethics, responsibility, consideration and most of all respect are gone and our own people are to blame for it. We as conservatives need to take that back.

"But a constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever." - John Adams

"Political correctness is going to be the death of us..."

November 6, 2009 - 11:15 ET by R D Helm

If the American sheeple don't pull their heads out of their nether regions, and soon, it most definitely will be curtains for us.

-Dave

Our elected representatives have failed us.

Why is this person in the

November 6, 2009 - 13:20 ET by ThisnThat

Why is this person in the army? Because DHS claims only "right-wing extremists" are in the military. DHS probably thinks all muslims are peace-loving.

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They've already begun

November 6, 2009 - 10:26 ET by danbo

They've already begun spinning it by editing Obama's press conference.

"You lie!" Rep. Joe Wilson R-(SC)

danbo...explain, please?

November 6, 2009 - 10:47 ET by motherbelt

I missed that. What did they take out?

what they took out

November 6, 2009 - 11:14 ET by SouthJersey1953

When the big "O" was talking to the Native Americans, he spoke for over two minutes before mentioning the events at Ft Hood. Several jokes and laughter; light hearted prepared speech. The 'transcripts' available, make it look like he only said a couple of sentences before addressing the Ft Hood tragedy.

You can fix a lot of things, but, you can't fix STUPID! - Joe Murray

His speech is

November 6, 2009 - 12:22 ET by danbo

His speech is here.

Unfortunately; I heard it live.

"You lie!" Rep. Joe Wilson R-(SC)

disgusted!

November 6, 2009 - 13:38 ET by lbcdawn

~lbcdawn Religion is about doing. Christianity is about done.

Later, according to

November 6, 2009 - 15:17 ET by RescuedByRush

Later, according to AP...

"We don't know all the answers yet. And I would caution against jumping
to conclusions until we have all the facts," Obama said in a statement.

He coulda at least added in, "but I think it's fair to say that Major Hasan acted stupidly."

He'll invite the major and

November 6, 2009 - 16:10 ET by danbo

He'll invite the major and the people he shot over to the white house for BBQ and beer. To work it out.

"You lie!" Rep. Joe Wilson R-(SC)

We are very insulated in America...

November 6, 2009 - 10:33 ET by stage9

...from the actions of the followers of islam. Christian convertsin places like the Sudan, Indonesia, Iraq, Egypt, Pakistan, Somalia, et.al, face this sort of heinous behavior every single day of their lives. Even in places like India, where the fetish religion of liberals - hinduism, is practiced, murder of Christian converts is common practice.

http://www.persecuti...

Insulated from the actions of Islamic goons, are we?

November 6, 2009 - 10:49 ET by R D Helm

After 3000 dead Americans on 9/11, after all of the terrorist plots against Americans that have been thwarted since (and you can be sure there were probably 10 or more for every one we heard about), and given what happened yesterday in Texas, I wouldn't say we are all that insulated.

It looks to me like we are right in the thick of it, actually.

-Dave

Our elected representatives have failed us.

The questions I have

November 6, 2009 - 10:36 ET by Blonde

And they are numerous:

First of all, his background. Of course, the US Media is slow to put anything out, but UK sources are better. He hasn't been a psychiatrist all that long....and in training, there is a requisite amount of clinical supervision that is required (seems he was suspect in this regard) of new practitioners of the art of psychiatry. If he was suffering from PTSD as has been stated (how can it be Post, he hasn't been deployed?), why did his peers and/or supervisors not recognize his twistedness?

Secondly, as an Army psychiatrist, his specialty was dealing with PTSD? Yet he openly criticized the mission (and by implication the men). So how was he allowed to hold that position? I don't get it.

I have no idea what goes on in the military medical corps, but I'd imagine the doctors get to play a little loose and fast with the rules. If this guy had been in combat arms (or even non-medical support branches), I'm sure he'd have been looked at long and hard for openly having the views and arguments I've read that he had.

What's up with that?

I'd really like to hear from our military members, and those who have recently separated, because I'm drawing my conclusions from my own experiences, which were many years ago.

I hope he fails, too.

I have a question Blonde

November 6, 2009 - 10:58 ET by acumen

If this nutjob could take this many lives on a military base with only two handguns, why is the Obama Administration still toying with nuke-lusting Iran?

Because, ac, Obama doesn't care

November 6, 2009 - 11:14 ET by Blonde

In his black little heart (oh yeah, someone call me a racist)...Obama is a muslim, and probably a jihadist. So he's happy to see Iran succeed.

And another thing, anyone care to bet that not one member of the Obama administration will call it what it is...."domestic terrorism". (Of course, it wouldn't surprise me to find out this guy was some sort of sleeper).

How's that man-made disaster thing working out for you, Reno II, um Janet Napolitano?

Pure incompetence, from top to bottom.

I hope he fails, too.

Ha B -

November 6, 2009 - 12:10 ET by acumen

Reno II.

2012 can't come fast enough...

Blonde, you asked about

November 6, 2009 - 11:17 ET by ThisnThat

Blonde, you asked about PTSD. Here is what they're saying: A cousin, Nader Hasan, told The New York Times that after counseling soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan with post-traumatic stress disorder, Hasan knew war firsthand. "He was mortified by the idea of having to deploy," Nader Hasan said. "He had people telling him on a daily basis the horrors they saw over there."

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Mortified

November 6, 2009 - 13:33 ET by Secret Conservative

I find the use of the word "mortified" interesting. If she had said "terrified," it might make more sense. But mortified means embarrassed. So he was EMBARRASSED at the idea of being deployed to Iraq? Was this because he didn't want to go to Iraq and be on the side of the Great Satan? And he was so EMBARRASSED that instead he chose to murder 13 people in cold blood? Sorry, doesn't fly. Also his EMBARRASSMENT caused him to bless Allah at the moment he committed this atrocity? Sounds more like jihad to me.

Family tried to spin it

November 6, 2009 - 10:42 ET by nolotrippen

Family tried to spin it that he just didn't want to go where the fighting was and he was all about peace and he didn't even like guns. I could smell the stinking Islam cheese of lies right through my car speakers. And sure enough, he was a jihadist.

Oh, and I'm not sorry if I offended any Muslim readers. I want you to accept the one, true God of the Bible, or don't, but do NOT follow the phony Allah.

Public service announcement over.

“It is almost impossible to distinguish a politician from a gangster.” (Will Durant, 1931)

Wow. If he didn't want to

November 6, 2009 - 10:49 ET by motherbelt

Wow. If he didn't want to go where there was fighting, what the Big H was he doing in the army??

So the peacenik felt it necessary to kill a dozen people to protest a war?

You're right. That stinks, on ice!!

I think he went into the

November 6, 2009 - 11:08 ET by ricklail

I think he went into the Army to go to school to be a shrink. They said last night he was wanting to pay the Army back for his training and get out. I have no idea of how many years one has to commit to for the Army to train in a medical field. I don't why he would be so upset about deployment. he was not going to have to kill anybody. Heck, he probably would not be armed in the rear area.

Semper suprene nitens

OBAMACARE: If it ain't good enough for my Congressman then it ain't good enough for me.

That is what I thought

November 6, 2009 - 11:24 ET by tiredgal2

That is what I thought too. He has been in the military for a long time it seems getting an education. He was not that good at what he was trained to do psychiatrist/psychologist. Physician heal thyself. He obviously was not the person his family says he was. No one sets out to kill people unless they have an agenda. Shouting the terrorist phrase kind of lets you know what his agenda was. They are spinning this already because someone called him names. Once again physician heal thyself.

They're already starting.

November 6, 2009 - 10:50 ET by Sestren_NK

Last night when we saw our good man Brent on Hannity last night, what was it that I've heard from one of the other guests? Along the lines of "I'm glad that he's alive so we can learn what it was that drove him to do this and what the real cause of this was."

Of course, blame everything else but the killer.

Like this guy who wants to paint it on conservative talk pundits. http://answers.yahoo...

Otherwise, they're going to just use this tragedy as a means to make themselves feel more right about the "futility and evils of war" and still fantasize about a world where war can just suddenly disappear (despite that they're probably not aware of any other war other than the US and the Middle East), success for cheaters and the lazy, and chocolate unicorns.

This was a dry run

November 6, 2009 - 10:48 ET by jon_torlin

I see this as a dry run of something far bigger yet to happen. There's no way this guy was not a sleeper agent of al Qaida or Hezbollah or whatever.

Look at the damage he caused (I thought there were two others, but they were released apparently), 13 dead and dozens injured. If it were by himself, that's utterly horrific versus some sort of conspiracy, shows how much damage one person is able to do; imagine if this were a concerted effort, the damage from that would be devastating!

So yeah, this has to be a dry run to see how something would work, and I'd say this was very successful.

-Jon

fort dix anyone?

November 6, 2009 - 11:22 ET by chad komorowski

the way to crush the bourgeosie is to grind them between the millstone of taxation and inflation-v.i.lenin

the best way to destroy capitalism is to debauch the currency-v.i.lenin

the goal of socialism is communism-v.i.lenin

A woman shot the killer, Got that ! A WOMAN...

November 6, 2009 - 10:54 ET by upcountrywater

A very BRAVE woman:

A deranged murderer attacked an Army base packed with combat-ready
soldiers trained to kill. The only person who could stop him? A female
civilian.

SEE, a chummy "shout-out" see vain hussain

Where is our moslem apologist Camelopardalis?

Spin this:

Gold $1,100.00 ... unemployment 10.2%... fuel prices up.

Have a great day. Stay warm. Every thing is just fine..

world net daily is reporting

November 6, 2009 - 11:01 ET by chad komorowski

world net daily is reporting that he had an advisory position in the obama transition team in regards to DHS.

Are you kidding?

November 6, 2009 - 11:03 ET by general company

Post the link please,,,,,, truly amazing

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

http://www.wnd.com/

November 6, 2009 - 11:11 ET by chad komorowski

the way to crush the bourgeosie is to grind them between the millstone of taxation and inflation-v.i.lenin

the best way to destroy capitalism is to debauch the currency-v.i.lenin

the goal of socialism is communism-v.i.lenin

WND.com link

November 6, 2009 - 11:11 ET by jon_torlin

http://www.wnd.com/i...

It's one of those that make you say "WTF???"

-Jon

OMO

November 6, 2009 - 11:14 ET by MrShy

Obama

Unreal.

OMO !

November 6, 2009 - 11:15 ET by Free Stinker

OMO !

Indeed.

خال

Thanks guys

November 6, 2009 - 11:15 ET by general company

Unbeleivable, wonder how deep this realy goes.

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

lets see...reichstag fire

November 6, 2009 - 11:18 ET by chad komorowski

lets see...reichstag fire (started by nazis) let to hitler....kirov assassination (at the behest of stalin) let to the purges.....

Well, this zealot of the

November 6, 2009 - 11:35 ET by Roger the Shrubber

Well, this zealot of the Religion of Peace wasn't exactly directly singing praise to Obama, ala the nanny who hangs herself in The Omen (Look at me, Damien! It's all for you!")...

Unless Obama is the Messiah....

Hmmm.... Wait a minute.....

my comment above

November 6, 2009 - 11:24 ET by jon_torlin

I think my comment above was truer than I thought it was speculation, I said this was a dry run, I think it's just the beginning of the sleepers awakening.

So the sleepers are awakening, will the sleeping giant awake in time to fight against them?

-Jon

jon... Thank you for this

November 6, 2009 - 16:24 ET by bigtimer

jon...

Thank you for this info. and link...it's a keeper.

Vetting was done well here too...and just maybe it was.

Btw...Leave it to the likes of HuffnPuff to defend the O-Team etc., nothing new here, this murdering ba$t#rd is a terrorist...simple as that.

'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart

O'Reilly

November 6, 2009 - 11:03 ET by ricklail

I was flipping back and forth between the Va Tech-ECU game to Fox to get updates on the killing at Fort Hood. O'Reilly had Al Sharpton on there discussing the black congresscriters like Rangel and Waters that are under ethics investigations. You know Sharpton blames it on race. I didn't see O'Reilly disagree with him. As a matter of fact it made me mad that he gave legitamcy to Sharpton. Later he had Alan Colmes who I think is the dumber than a 50 lb box of rocks.

Granted I haven't watched O'Reilly for a long time. Is it like this every night giving a stage for race hustlers and idiots like Colmes?

Semper suprene nitens

OBAMACARE: If it ain't good enough for my Congressman then it ain't good enough for me.

Saw that,

November 6, 2009 - 11:06 ET by general company

Absolutely pathetic. Sharpton and Colmes are the poster child for liberals. Not an original thought between them.

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

GC

November 6, 2009 - 13:17 ET by ricklail

Would it be safe to use Blonde's term of galactically stupid to best describe them? It sure sounds better that a 50 lb box of rocks.

Semper suprene nitens

OBAMACARE: If it ain't good enough for my Congressman then it ain't good enough for me.

Politically incorrect.

November 6, 2009 - 11:09 ET by seven

"Allahu Akbar!"

They aren's suppposed to shout religious stuuff in the military..The ACLU needs to get on this.

Maybe flipping kind of skewed it a little

November 6, 2009 - 11:26 ET by StarAZ

O'Reilly's premise was to ask--is this about race? The implication was that African-American legislators were more crooked since 15% of them were under investigation. Sharpton said nothing had been proved on any of them--and he sort of didn't push the race allegation, but he also didn't say they were being persecuted for race. It was kind of confusing and I didn't get the point.

The revolt against "Holiday Trees" has begun

November 6, 2009 - 11:10 ET by R D Helm

It's about time.

-Dave

Our elected representatives have failed us.

Oh good grief!

November 6, 2009 - 11:21 ET by Blonde

I thought it was going to link to Christmas Trees cause Global Warming or somesuch.

I hope he fails, too.

J,

November 6, 2009 - 15:03 ET by R D Helm

I was just glad to see that finally, somebody got in someone's face about this lunacy.

-Dave

Our elected representatives have failed us.

Hmmm, Dave

November 6, 2009 - 15:05 ET by Blonde

I may have to get another tree this year....for a grand total of FOUR Christmas trees. Just because I still can.

I hope he fails, too.

J,

November 6, 2009 - 21:11 ET by R D Helm

LOL-The enviro-kooks are going to start referring to you as a planet rapist.

I used to do two live trees - one 9' tall with all silver, gold and white lights at the front of the house, and one shorter in the back with all of the colors that would fit.

The look was really cool.

-Dave

Our elected representatives have failed us.

Ah yes, getting time to bash and ban Christians.

November 6, 2009 - 11:23 ET by Red Jeep

Getting time to banish all things Chrisitians from the Public Square as Christmas approaches. Christians have to be considerate of all other religions but other religions need not be considerate or respectful of Christianity.

Be that as it may, I can't recall an instance where a Christian jumped up on a table praising God and murdering people (...or flying planes into buildings..or blowing holes in a ship...or...).

well shucks

November 6, 2009 - 11:14 ET by Candance Moore

If his last name was Smith then I guess he'd have been praising Allah in English. That would have made all the difference.

cd,

November 6, 2009 - 11:22 ET by R D Helm

LOL.

-Dave

Our elected representatives have failed us.

Sick and tired of media coverups!!

November 6, 2009 - 11:28 ET by Patriot II

This clown was no doubt a "sleeper cell" of one....he calmly went about his killing spree and shooting individuals multiple times to get the job done....! Why are muslims in our govt? in our military? in our country? This is not a religion, people get your respective heads out of your respective butts.....this is a political agenda and full of lies....one said muslim can't kill muslims, thats why he didn't want to go to Iraq......strange....how many so called honor killings do we hear about...muslims killing own family members..so much for following the farce! How about all the innocents, the muslim civilians, the terrorists killed in Iraq....oops, guess those don't count....I am sick and tired of this coverup......deport them...or you will wait and have to fight them here on our soil...they make no bones about it, thats their goal!!! imho

Unfortunately the army has serious shortages...

November 6, 2009 - 11:47 ET by mvfreeman

In medical and language skills.

In fact they are extending their search specifically to non-citizens to fill the gaps...

http://www.army.com/news/item/4858

The program was authorized by the Secretary of Defense.

Muslims are in our Gov

November 6, 2009 - 11:50 ET by ThisnThat

Muslims are in our Gov partly because of all their wonderful contributions to America's growth and prosperity.

Aug 2009: The president said Ramadan is "a time of intense devotion and reflection" when Muslims fast during the day, perform their prayers at night, and recite and listen to the entire Koran during the course of the month. "These rituals remind us of the principles that we hold in common, and Islam's role in advancing justice, progress, tolerance, and the dignity of all human beings." - obama

"The contribution of Muslims to the United States are too long to catalog because Muslims are so interwoven into the fabric of our communities and our country," Obama said at the iftar, the dinner that breaks the holiday's daily fast.

April 2009: Obama's visit, in which he said America "will never be at war with Islam,"

BTW, did we see CAIR or any other muslim organization come out and condemn these attacks yet?

__________
"mmm, mmm, mm. Barrack-Hussain-Øbama↓." - The liberals coolaid drinking song

Speaking of CAIR

November 6, 2009 - 12:32 ET by acumen

BTW, did we see CAIR or any other muslim organization come out and condemn these attacks yet?

Nah, CAIR is too busy these days hiding their real agenda while trampling on the first amendment.

From the linked Politico article by Josh Gerstein (bold mine):

A federal judge has issued an order requiring the author (David Gaubatz) of a controversial new book about the Council on American-Islamic Relations to refrain from "any use, disclosure or publication" of thousands of documents his son allegedly stole while working undercover as an intern at the group.

David Gaubatz's book, "Muslim Mafia," argues that the removal of the documents was legal because CAIR had ordered Chris Gaubatz to shred them and because they were evidence that CAIR is a criminal organization that supports terrorist groups. CAIR denies any ties to terrorism.

"Muslim Mafia" caused a stir on Capitol Hill earlier this month when several members of Congress used it as a basis to charge that CAIR was engaged in an insidious attempt to infiltrate the Capitol.

"If an organization that is connected to or supports terrorists is running influence operations or planting spies in key national security-related congressional offices, I think this needs to be made known," Rep. Paul Broun (R-Ga.)said. CAIR contends its intern-placing efforts are innocuous and commonplace for Washington advocacy groups.

CAIR'S attempt to infiltrate the Capitol appear a whole lot more credible after the Fort Hood incident. I wonder if U.S. District Court Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly is having second thoughts about her ruling?

acumen... The Judge

November 6, 2009 - 13:31 ET by bigtimer

acumen...

The Judge having any regrets....I seriously doubt it.

It's an outrageous ruling ...and we all pay for what the left does,one way or the other.

CAIR should be dismantled, plenty jailed, the rest deported-permanently.

This country keeps this up, yesterday will be child's play.

Btw...I hope this case is appealed...big time.

Freedom of Speech is only for the left and their agenda...Capitol Hill have plenty of enemies in this country, CAIR being a big one, their agenda will not be denied...you can bet that O-Team will always defend them...

Bachmann was right when she was on Matthews before the last election saying congress-critters need to be checked out, backgrounds/ties etc.

'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart

Re Background Checks

November 6, 2009 - 14:17 ET by slickwillie2001

Also to include the President and his administration including czars. There's not a hope in hell that the Bamster could have passed an FBI background check for the lowest level of security clearance, and the majority of his czars also would not.

sw... You got that

November 6, 2009 - 14:23 ET by bigtimer

sw...

You got that right!

'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart

Slick.. and the most

November 6, 2009 - 14:27 ET by celator

Slick.. and the most dangerous piece of that is that Obama and all his lefty, Marxist looney buddies have access to the most delicate, important, strategic insider information in the nation. They can bring this country down in a minute. That keeps me awake at night.

No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.

P II,

November 6, 2009 - 15:11 ET by R D Helm

Yeah, funny how when these "peaceful" Muslims don't have any Christians or Jews around to kill, they turn on each other.

-Dave

Our elected representatives have failed us.

I probably should not raise this

November 6, 2009 - 11:29 ET by StarAZ

It was hours of news management that told us the "shooter" was dead--then oh, he's not. This made me flash on 9/11, where they knew in 24 hours the names and had the pix of the 19 people who had been blown up and had come into the US all sorts of ways. That always seemed fast to me. Oh, don't berate me as a doubter--but I never was comfortable with that. Even with all the news gathering we have--we still can't get the story...it always seems spoon-fed.

To try and ease your fears a little...

November 6, 2009 - 11:50 ET by c5then

There were phone calls from three of the planes to husbands/wives and at least one to an airline representative. One of the calls was from the wife of the US Solicitor General at the time to her husband. I'm sure that almost all of those calls included descriptions of the hijackers. As soon as that info got to the "authorities" ( measured in minutes, not hours) I'm sure that all the pieces fell into place and it was a mear couple of hours to get the passenger manifest and trace all back to their points of origin and then start looking at security videos. The FBI/CIA/NSA probably knew who the culprits were and had pictures of most of them within 12 hours but it wasn't released right away.

Throw 'da bums out!!!

Before it's too late.

www.loyaltoliberty.com

It wasn't like taking a wallet out of a pocket

November 6, 2009 - 12:07 ET by StarAZ

Yes, that woman could have given descriptions of three or four--on her plane...we are talking about 19...no IDs, yes, some were on the watch list, but it would have taken time to put this together...You can't just assume someone with a Middle Eastern name on a manifest was one of them. In my mind, anyway. Oh, well...it really does not have to do with this except that I never feel like we get the real story--but maybe we as citizens don't need the whole story...whatever.

I fear that we have the mother of all mole problems...

November 6, 2009 - 11:39 ET by c5then

I can not believe that an army officer of 10+ years can easily be "radicalized" (you don't get to Major in much shorter a time span) therefore either he was already a radical before entering the military or it is the religion itself. Either way that means the US military has a huge problem.

Throw 'da bums out!!!

Before it's too late.

www.loyaltoliberty.com

c5

November 6, 2009 - 11:53 ET by Blonde

From what I've read, he enlisted right out of high school. So, if he's 39 years old...he's been in what, 20 years?

He went through med school on the military's dime.

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out, but we know the media's going to spin it like mad.

I hope he fails, too.

He served eight years as an

November 6, 2009 - 11:54 ET by ThisnThat

He served eight years as an enlisted soldier, too.

__________
"mmm, mmm, mm. Barrack-Hussain-Øbama↓." - The liberals coolaid drinking song

sounds sleepy

November 6, 2009 - 12:34 ET by jon_torlin

I mean he's a sleeper agent. They'll be in a spot for years and years before getting activated.

Can't see otherwise what else he could be.

-Jon

You guys love Jon Stewart,

November 6, 2009 - 11:54 ET by balboa

You guys love Jon Stewart, right? Well, last night he had an 8-minute "tribute" to Beck. Enjoy: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-november-5-2009/the-11-3-project

Beck does Beck better

November 6, 2009 - 14:34 ET by StarAZ

At least maybe the writers watched a show or two--usually people trash Beck and have never seen his show.

This whole thing

November 6, 2009 - 12:15 ET by Blonde

is beyond sad. Can you imagine being deployed with your family back home at Fort Hood? Or having a family member stationed there and hearing this on the news?

My prayers go out to the victims and their families.

I am reminded of The Minstrel Boy. Listen to this version and see if you are too.....for all our fine young men and women who were so cruelly attacked yesterday by a maniac who should have never been where he was, but for idiot political correctness and expediency.

The Minstrel Boy to the war is gone

In the ranks of death you will find him

His father's sword he hath girded on

And his wild harp slung behind him

Land of Song! said the warrior bard

Tho' all the world betrays thee

One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard

One faithful harp shall praise thee!

The Minstrel fell!

But the foeman's chain

Could not bring that proud soul under

The harp he lov'd ne'er spoke again

For he tore its chords asunder

And said "No chains shall sully thee

Thou soul of love and brav'ry!

Thy songs were made for the pure and free,

They shall never sound in slavery!

I hope he fails, too.

Nice B

November 6, 2009 - 12:39 ET by acumen

Dittos on the prayers...

My brother is based there.

November 6, 2009 - 13:08 ET by Dan The Man 2

My brother is based there. He is training in NC now or some such place. His wife is still around there in thier house. Man summer before last he was in Afghanistan and now this.

Wow, Dan

November 6, 2009 - 13:14 ET by Blonde

My best to your brother and his wife.

I hope he fails, too.

Look at Europe

November 6, 2009 - 12:57 ET by Gat New York

That is our future and more of the same.

There has been an exploding population of Muslims in countries like the UK and France. They have also had increasing problems with crime and Muslims youths because they do learn Jihad.

We can keep arresting and killing these people but we will never stop this unless the Muslim religious and political leaders in this country are held responsible for the stopping of all radical Muslims teachings and preachings here. All we get is a wink and a nod and a lot of lip service.

As far as I can read, the Muslim religion teaches intolerance of other religions with the answer being jihad. Violence is systemic in the religion.

Re France

November 6, 2009 - 13:08 ET by slickwillie2001

France is an advanced nuclear power, and 15-20% of their military is muslim. When the civil war begins there, the military may be useless to stop it.

When the civil war begins

November 6, 2009 - 14:11 ET by Gat New York

When the civil war begins in France, UK and other European countries it won't be much of a war because within 20 years Muslims will be int he majority because of population growth: they don't believe in birth control and the rest of the population does.

The last time I was in Paris there was a bomb outside a restaurant and the police thought nothing of it - just a common occurance.

I hereby call for the

November 6, 2009 - 13:07 ET by Barker

I hereby call for the resignation or firing of both Attorney General Eric Holder and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, and for immediate Congressional hearings on what their agencies knew about the terrorist and his activities, and when they knew it.

How's that homeland security working for you, Obama?

Absolutely. It was not as

November 6, 2009 - 14:12 ET by Gat New York

Absolutely.

It was not as if they did not already have suspicions about this man.

Just another crooked Democrat

November 6, 2009 - 14:31 ET by ricklail

Our freshman senator, Kay Hagin, who has served less than a year has learned a lot in a few short months. Oh yeah she is sorry. Right! Only after you got caught. I don't believe her any farther than I could throw Jerald Nadler (?).

Semper suprene nitens

OBAMACARE: If it ain't good enough for my Congressman then it ain't good enough for me.

Woman?

November 6, 2009 - 14:36 ET by StarAZ

I just heard --or thought I heard--the police officer who shot this guy is a woman...

~That is correct

November 6, 2009 - 14:40 ET by choselife3x

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

Read about her here, Star~~

November 6, 2009 - 14:42 ET by BKeyser

http://hotair.com/ar...

Thanks for the link, BKeyser..

November 6, 2009 - 15:01 ET by Barker

It sounds like Police Sergeant Kimberly Munley looked the devil in the eye, and the devil blinked.

God bless her.

Barker... What a great

November 6, 2009 - 15:08 ET by bigtimer

Barker...

What a great way to express the situation....no one could have said it better.

'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart

~I am SO EFFING PROUD OF HER

November 6, 2009 - 15:17 ET by choselife3x

I could cry.

Okay, I did already.

Alright, I am right now. I admit it.

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

http://themessengerd...

I'm sure Zero will award her the Presidential Medal of Freedom

November 6, 2009 - 18:53 ET by SickofLibs

...if someone tells him what that is.

And if there are no Harvey Milks or communist poets in line in front of her.

...or at least have her

November 6, 2009 - 19:01 ET by bigtimer

...or at least have her over for a beer of her choice.

'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart

Execute him now!

November 6, 2009 - 15:23 ET by 1611LilacLady

Pull the plug and send him to his permanent residence:

HELL!

No trial please . . more maggot muslime supporters will come out and twist this whole thing around.

Bravo to :

http://news.aol.com/article/quick-acting-police-officer-kimberly/756201?icid=main|main|dl1|link2|http%3A%2F%2Fnews.aol.com%2Farticle%2Fquick-acting-police-officer-kimberly%2F756201

FORT HOOD, Texas (Nov. 6) -- A civilian police officer who shot the Fort Hood gunman four times during his bloody rampage stopped the attacker cold, a U.S. Army official said Friday.

[Sgt.] Officer Kimberly Munley of the Fort Hood Police Department is a "trained, active first responder" who acted quickly after she "just happened to encounter the gunman," said Lt. Gen. Bob Cone, Fort Hood's commanding general.

*******

She was wounded herself, but got 4 GREAT SHOTS off that hit the maggot muslime target!

Isaiah 5:20a Woe unto them who call evil good, and good evil. . . KJV

One of the wounded

November 6, 2009 - 15:38 ET by ricklail

This story just ran in the Charlotte Observer

Semper suprene nitens

OBAMACARE: If it ain't good enough for my Congressman then it ain't good enough for me.

rick... Thanks so much

November 6, 2009 - 16:01 ET by bigtimer

rick...

Thanks so much for that wonderful article...I pray that their son makes it....that monster shooting him in the back while he was bending over to help his friend that died tells you a lot about this filthy monster.

My heart and prayers have and will continue to go out to all the families in this tragedy along with the survivors.

'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart

He lived among us-scary to think about it.

November 6, 2009 - 15:52 ET by ricklail

Some of you Marines out there may have served with this mass murderer.

Semper suprene nitens

OBAMACARE: If it ain't good enough for my Congressman then it ain't good enough for me.

Re islam

November 6, 2009 - 18:44 ET by slickwillie2001

Re "islam a religion like any other", – this is just wrong. We treat islam as a religion but it is much more. It is also a political system intended to replace a democratic republic such as ours, and any other form of democracy found in the world. The political system includes its own code of justice intented to replace our laws. We must start looking at islam more like the way we looked at communism during the Cold War.

Note that 10.6% of the koran is dedicated to Jew-hatred, while only 5.8% of Mein Kampf is Jew-hatred. The koran is more like Mein Kampf that the Bible or the Torah.

10.6% of koran Devoted... : http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog

slick

November 6, 2009 - 18:57 ET by MrShy

Spot-on!

Aren't they all worth less than zero?!?

November 6, 2009 - 19:37 ET by Hermano

Rep. Alcee Hastings (D-Fla.), freshman Rep. Harry Teague (D-N.M.), Rep. Jeff Fortenberry (R-Neb.), Rep. John Salazar (D-Colo.) and Rep. Sander Levin (D-Mich.) each a net worth of less than zero, CRP says.

From a Politico article on the number of millionaires in Congress.

I thought the above sentence could pertain to everyone in DC!

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F'n Geraldo just pawned it

November 6, 2009 - 20:22 ET by Dan Diego

F'n Geraldo just pawned it off as the guy being a "loser", no muslim link. And of course he's worried about muslim soldiers being discriminated against.. Geraldo, a total POS.