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For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: Is the stock market rally over?

Friday was a bad day for stocks with all major indices losing several percentage points. Is this the beginning of a serious sell-off that could even test the March lows or just a much-needed correction after an historic move up?

From a more technical standpoint, is the reflation trade of shorting the dollar and buying commodities, in particular oil and gold, about to start a huge unwinding that will bring stocks with it? Has this entire runup in stocks and commodities way over-discounted any potential economic recovery given exploding budget deficits, tighter regulations, and the certainty of higher taxes in the future?

In sum, was this entire rally over-done, and reality is about to set in, or is it more likely that things at this time last year were not nearly as bad as what was advertised, and stocks now are better reflecting actual economic activity than they have in many months?

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I'll start...

Rush, please - socks.

→ Socks

First thing I noticed too.

Mmm, mmm, mmm - Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

→ Rush is on

I'm ready.

This should be good

Mmm, mmm, mmm - Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

The stock market used to be a reflection of

how Americans spent their money.

GM didn't get to be a powerhouse because of people investing in their stock, but because People invested in their products.

Johnson and Johnson, because People bought their products.

EVERY player in the DOW got there because of PEOPLE SPENDING THEIR MONEY on products offered by the corporations.

The current upsurge was caused by investors buying into companies they believe will survive obama and cohorts destruction of the US economy.

 

 

http://gjresult.com

 

→ Photo-op

Slam-bang.  A photo-op at Dover?

Tomorrow's talking points.

Mmm, mmm, mmm - Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

Rush covered that point

Rush covered that point too. Only one, 1, family praised the One for being there. The rest were wise enough to see through his little charade.

Semper suprene nitens

OBAMACARE: If it ain't good enough for my Congressman then it ain't good enough for me.  

 

On his show the other day,

Rush played a clip of Lynn Cheney, who said that President Bush did this all the time, only WITHOUT the cameras and press releases.

Only one family wanted to have pictures taken with Obama, too.

Shameful photo opportunist, this CIC.  It's insulting.

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

New Low For AP

Incredible; the Associated Press refers to the imam killed in a shootout with FBI agents in Detroit as 'murdered':

Murdered Imam's Followers Deny FBI Radical Claims: http://www.foxnews.com

"A mosque on Friday dismissed as 'utterly preposterous' the FBI's allegations that its murdered leader was part of a radical Islamic group."

→ Slick

I would have preferred "aborted fecal tissue"

Mmm, mmm, mmm - Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

If you assume that Wall

If you assume that Wall Street is in the business of anticipating economic trends for the purpose of making profitable investments, it might figure that Thursday's claim of +3.5% growth(annualized) led to anticipation of future growth, and thus an upsurge of anticipation of increased investment and a 200 point rise in the Dow.  Following the realization that the "recovery" claim is bogus, the market fell 250 points in anticipation that investment would be unwise in this Obama economy, and this good economic news was for propaganda purposes only.

Trying to sell a very expensive takeover of our healthcare industry was proving to be a hard sell in a recession, so the recession had to "end", because nationalizing our healthcare industry is much more important to Obama than is the health of our economy.

It appears to me that the prospect and reality of the Obama presidency has generally had a dampening effect on private investment, thus the drops in the stock market upon news of his nomination, another drop when he got elected, and another when he was inaugurated, as he announced his intentions for our society and our economy.

Everything is going

Everything is going according to plan!

Afghanistan/Iraq Bush was

Afghanistan/Iraq

Bush was hammered for years for wasting time and lives in Iraq and not fighting the "GOOD" war in Afghanistan. Now, this doesn't seem to be such an easy decision for Obama. Bush chose the location of the battle and drew Al Quida into it! Why fight in the Afghan terrain when you can fight in the desert and see your enemy. Keep in mind that Afghanistan was not totally ignored during the Iraq war. We saw many examples of young women and children going to school for the first time. The fact that the wheels are now coming off since January 2009 is the fault of only one person.

Geez! maybe the bumpkin from Texas knew what he was doing.

And now for something completely different:

Hope this tickles your funny bones.  Seems there are unintended consequences when one tattles on oneself. 

 

I hope he is impeached, soon.

Rush interview

I'm afraid that Rush just gave the idiots over at CNN, MSNBC and Air America fodder for several days/weeks. In this I mean look at all the stuff they can take out of context. He said that IF he had an ego as big as Obama's he would take credit for the conservative explosion in the media such as talk radio, Fox and the blogsphere.  They are going to say that he that he takes credit single handedly for it when that is not what he said. The turds like Begala are going to twist his take on his drug addiction.  Those 3 words that he used to descibe the idiotic VP will be used as hate words.

This is just my opinion. I know, thanks to NB, how people like Madcow, bathtub boy, Schultz et. al think or at least how they and their writters like to twist things.

Semper suprene nitens

OBAMACARE: If it ain't good enough for my Congressman then it ain't good enough for me.  

 

→ rick

I'm comfortable with the concept that Rush was the voice of Conservatism after Ronaldus Magnus left politics.

Maybe conservatism would have flourished without him, but I doubt it.

Mmm, mmm, mmm - Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

Cool

I have no problem with what he said. He was the one that caused this conservative movement. Like he said there is no leadership in the Rep party. The clowns in the left wing will twist his word. I don't go to Huff in Puff or Daily Kos to read comments for fear I will throw up.

I hope I didn't spoil the interview for those that have not gotten to watch it.

Semper suprene nitens

OBAMACARE: If it ain't good enough for my Congressman then it ain't good enough for me.  

 

Reagan would trail far

Reagan would trail far behind carter in presidential ratings if the MSM were allowed to rewrite history with their lies and distortions. Rush has consistently corrected the record with facts and exposed them as liars.

Stock Market is tied to Obama's Policies

As I stated in another thread, the ups and downs of U.S. equity markets are totally tied to Obama's policies and the success or failure of those policies.

The market started to seriously downtrend in June of 2008 when Obama locked up the nomination.  It really started to get clobbered when he took the lead in the polls for good in September of 2008.  It rallied a little after he got elected and we heard some "concilitory" talk coming from the left, (mainly the press).  And then the market tanked when he assumed office and the Dems passed their trillion dollar porkulus grab-bag of goodies bill.

The market finally stabalized when the first signs of weakness emerged in Obama's schemes.  Cap and Tax got stalled, natioalization of health care stalled, and the natioinalization of the finacial industry didn't materialize.  As support for these programs fell apart, and Obama's poll numbers declined, the stock market rallied.

I think the stock market is again concerned about health care and is concerned that Obama's policies might pick up a little support.  That, along with our ever expanding debt will slow things down.

It's all going to be about politics.  If the elections in early November show a conservative, (not necessarily Republican), re-emergence, then the stock markets might contiune the positive trend.

I do not know a lot about

I do not know a lot about the market other than what I can feel and see around me and I can say that it does not feel like things are getting better. I think we are seeing what some have described as (the dead cat bounce). This coming Tues. could be a blood bath like the original black Tues.

→ Could be

That would be 80 years and 5 days after 10/29/1929.

It's time.  Should be an interesting week.

Mmm, mmm, mmm - Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

The looming threat of

The looming threat of higher taxes has people uneasy.  Why would anyone invest in a company solely based in the US?  Labor costs are high, you have a democrat in office, you have ACORN and SEIU wanting to expand organized labor.  Notice SEIU, Service Employees International Union.  Manufacturing is dwindling.  Service industry has grown, thus democrats want this union to replace the Teamsters, UAW, etc.

Healthcare is profitable.  Obama takes it over, private healthcare providers are either nationalized, absorbed or they go out of business. Healthcare workers unionize under SEIU.   They join the bureaucracy.  An entire portion of the service economy disappears.  Pharmaceutical companies next on hit list.  They become one of those industries that latch onto the government teet. Government says what they spend on medicine, either bribe some democrats to get some handouts or get out of the way.  

Does america export anything other than food or agriculture based products?  

Is the domestic real estate market healthy again?  Is there a demand for new development?  Where is the construction industry at?  Did Obama's stimulus even fund construction?

 You have multinational US based corporations moving their operations overseas.  They close plants, even their small business suppliers go under and those who rely on them.

Use common sense, take a head count... where is this country going?  Where is the economy going? If you were someone on the outside, looking in.... what does the US have for you?   

 

It took a Carter. It took a Clinton.

The total ineptness of Jimmy Carter helped bring Reagan to the Presidency.  Likewise, two years of Bill Clinton helped usher in the Republican Congress of 1994 and a ballanced budget.

Maybe two years of Obama and Pelosi and Reed, (so much worse then anything Carter or Clinton or the Dem Congress of those days could ever imagine), will be what it takes to get our country back on track. 

The stock market and our economy is going to follow the political strength and weakness of the current tyrants/socialists in office.

Nuclear Expert Not Suicide

"A British nuclear expert who fell from the 17th floor of a United Nations building did not commit suicide and may have been hurled to his death, says a doctor who carried out a second post-mortem examination."

British Nuclear Expert...: http://www.dailymail.co.uk

Probably one who refused to accept bribes...

slick,

Er, perhaps Mr.Hampton happened upon something he wasn't supposed to find.

-Dave

Our elected representatives have failed us.  

I have never believed in coincidences

From the UK article:

"The IAEA, an independent and separate organisation, inspects nuclear
plants worldwide and is based in the building next to the CTBTO in
Vienna.

Under a year ago, an American died at the IAEA in
strikingly similar circumstances, his body being found at the bottom of
a stairwell.

A UN spokeswoman said an investigation into that case continues, though Austrian police have concluded it was suicide.

She said: ‘This might have been a copycat thing in the CTBTO.’"

I could have been a copy cat suicide or a 'nothing succeeds like success' murder. 

"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'

ahusser, What I find insteresting is He, tracks "earthquakes"

So did some iranian spies do him in?

It's about time for an "earthquake" from iran any day now.

Hummm would the vain one want that kept a secret too?

I can't believe that nuclear "quake" information is really that secret. 

State controlled health care ! music video.

upcountrywater

Sometimes my tinfoil gets in the way. It was the UK newsies bringing up the similarity. Must be a copy cat suicide then. But who knows. Could underground nuclear bomb testing be hidden or is that an impossibility. No other reason to kill an earthquake tracker.

"Somehow, I told you so, just doesn't quite say it." Will Smith in 'I, Robot.'

USGS

Last weekend I saw a 4.2 posted on the USGS site. I checked later the same day and it was gone. How's that happen?

Dan,It's those pesky 1.5 to 3 mag ones that occur in iran

That will be gone a day later.... 

It's getting very interesting...this case.

State controlled health care ! music video.

On a lighter note...

As I got set up for Halloween, battery-powered skull that emitted wolf howls, crow caws and spooky wind noises, I kidded to my sister that I was not giving any candy to kids dressed like Obama. She, naturally, took me seriously and berated me. But there were none! One cute kid in a burka, though.

NSFW

Best Pumpkin of the Year: http://www.weaselzippers.net

ahhh!

My eyes!!!!!

 -Jon

→ Dang it Slick

Don't we already have an Ed Schultz thread going?

Mmm, mmm, mmm - Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

Good point, Star

I didn't have any little Obama's either (we had lots of kids, too).....perhaps that indoctrination thing (MMM  MMM MMM) isn't working out as well as they'd hoped it would.

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

One cute kid in a burka,

One cute kid in a burka, though.

Can you be sure it wasn't a dwarfish Islamo-Nazi?

Don't forget... you can't spell OBAMA without the support of A MOB 

→ Good get Jack

It coulda' been Robert Reich.

Mmm, mmm, mmm - Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

ha ha. Robert Reich. That's

ha ha. Robert Reich. That's funnier.

He's always be The Turd Reich to me.

Don't forget... you can't spell OBAMA without the support of A MOB 

according to Investor's Business Daily...

After a bout of institutional selling over the past several weeks, the market is now in correction mode as of October 27. There is no doubt that there was money to be made between March and now. However, in a correction, there is no telling how low the market can sink.

What you want to look for is what is known as a follow-through day, which can occur on day four or later of a rally attempt. On this follow-through day, the markets will be up by 2% or more, in convincing volume.

Although they fail 25%  of the time, no bull market in the last 120 years has begun without a follow through day. The last one was March 12, 2009.

See investors dot com for more info, especially the big picture column.

Incidentally, I think what sunk the market this time was the introduction of Dow 10,000 2.0 hats, which were passed out on the NYSE on October 14, when it hit that milestone. When you sell silly stuff like this, look out. It's kind of like stories of Chinese housewives day trading, like they were  just before the last market top over there.

It's always worth pointing

It's always worth pointing out, that we are dealing with an administration full of the most accomplished whining braggarts it would ever be your misfortune to encounter on a dark and stormy night.

So --  Obama never looks at the markets ups and down, except when:

#1 The stocks rise, then it's all down to him and his "policies". And ...

#2. The crash starts again, then it's ALL BUSH'S FAULT. Or GREEDY BANKERS.  Or GREEDY INSURANCE COMPANIES. Or FOX NEWS.

Anyone's fault but his.

 Because for Barack Hussein Obama (mmm, mmm, mmm)... The Buck Stops In A Galaxy Far Far Away.
 

Don't forget... you can't spell OBAMA without the support of A MOB 

Scuzzyfacee supports DEM in NY-23 OFFICIAL

Surprise surprise. NOT.

Fox is reporting

GOP NOMINEE THROWS SUPPORT TO DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE AFTER DROPPING OUT OF N.Y. CONGRESSIONAL RACE

Don't forget... you can't spell OBAMA without the support of A MOB 

→ Another Colin Powel

It's about time we started weeding out all these Colin Powell Republicans from among our ranks.

Mmm, mmm, mmm - Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

cool - two thoughts... 1.

cool - two thoughts...

1. Doesn't this mean all those conservatives who said this woman is a DEMOCRAT and we are not voting for her, were CORRECT?

2. Newt Gingrich. Well done buddy. Feeling a little foolish are we?

Don't forget... you can't spell OBAMA without the support of A MOB 

→ YES and YES

Just as McCain sold his soul when he threw in with Obama on TARP, so has Knut similarly stuck his nose out of the tent to kiss a camel.

Mmm, mmm, mmm - Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.