Well said, mb.

"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error.  To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson

We have, unfortuately, allowed the Supreme Court to twist and turn the enumerated powers to fit almost any situation.  I believe Congress could legitimately regulate health insurance via the Interstate Commerce Clause, but has historically declined to do that as long as the States do a decent job of regulating insurance companies.  

Lost in the whole health care debate is the fact that each of the 50 states has an insurance commission that regulates insurance companies.  The libs would have us believe that health care companies are free to do whatever they want.   

Back to my first paragraph.  Libs like Barney Fife believe they can go beyond the words contained in the short list of enumerated powers and the additional Congressional powers granted by a few of the Amendments.  Barney told O'Reilly these additional "powers" were "discretionary."  O'Reilly, not being a strict-constructionist Constitutional scholar, allowed BF to get away with it.

I am fairly certain that the current, relatively conservative, Court would uphold a federal law requiring health insurance policies to contain certain mandated coverages, charge certain mandated premiums, etc.  But the current court might declare as uncontitutional federal attempts to require everyone to buy personal health care "insurance."  And someone would certainly challenge such a law in federal courts.  I believe that laws requiring individuals to buy health care coverage can only be constitutional if passed at the state level.

Stop federal judges from foisting their notions of "fairness" on the States.  Amend the 14th Amendment! - tim413, JD 

But how would your Red friends make a buck then? I mean, above and beyond the lopsided trade deficit.

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

I'm not going to pretend that I know as much about you about economics Unsane, I know you read lots of books on the economy so perhaps you can help me understand.

Ok if  a credit card company lends money to someone and that someone only makes the minimum payments on the balance, everything is okay and both  are partoes are happy.

The borrower wants to buys guns, pay for their deadbeat sons and daughters drug addiction, buy a few guns to protect their family and pay the healthcare for the Mexican family down the street and sex change operation for their neighbor.

There comes a time when the borrower is spending much more than he is taking in and  will have to declare bankrupsy, can you tell me how the national debt is any different?

"I have a Bush man-crush, you need to understand."-Mr. Shy

It's snowing in The Dakotas, Nebraska, Minnesota, Iowa and Wisconsin.  Al Gore's probably in Hawaii or Bora Bora....

He took stupid pills to enter the Senate.  I am convinced of that.  To think that once I was impressed by his being in the House and thought he would make a great Senator from SC... 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

Of course not.

Colombus = Bad

The President's advisers have responded thusly:  I believe we should reinstate Atomic Annie, post haste!

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution

Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court

Actually,

if you were paying attention, back in 2007 (before the mortgage meltdown) the deficit was down to $80 Billion.

I'm sure you weren't aware of that.   Huffpoo and Duh-lyKos do not deal in facts.

"President Obama is learning on the job and it shows."  --Boris Epshteyn

EOM

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

frankmer, thanks for this demonstration of your childishness, your desire to throw tantrums and point fingers, and your wanting the issue instead of endeavoring to solve the problem.

Your comment is laughable.  For one, you demonstrate how completely enraged you are at the fact that the Constitution calls for Congress to fund and Army and Navy.  For the other, you have NO leg to stand on here, as you want the government to turn into a whiny nanny agency whose sole purpose is to baby people with things they can really manage to get on their own - like a doctor. 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

 Yes China and other countries are protectionist, but let's not pretend that's mainly why manufacturing has been leaving our country for fifty years. We should do something about their protectionism, but only for the sake of the principle of free trade, not in some vain hope that it will revive American industry.  Some ways American manufacturing can take off: 1) unions need to wither away and die, 2) American industry needs to stop making crap - as I know firsthand they can make a nice, quality product (such as what I drive, what I use for computing, what I fly in), 3) we NEED to rein in regulations.  Sure, you can have some environmental rules so that the country doesn't look like China at present (and China looks awful these days; head to Beijing, you'll see what I mean), 4) get the government at all levels the hell out of the way. 

An American manufacturer faces the specter of White House-backed Big Union thuggery, the second highest corporate taxes in the world, nutball marxists masquerading as the EPA, the black cloud of Cap and Trade, high health care costs, a government that tells us what proportion of a company's workforce has to be a certain color or sex or sexual orientation, out-of-control lawsuits that can destroy a company, a broken K-12, a federal government that can take over a company with the stroke of a pen, or dictate who the CEO is, or how much management can make, crazy liberals that think profits are evil, an energy policy dedicated to the destruction of the fossil fuel industry, and of course a Marxist-in-Chief dedicated to wealth redistribution. None of these costs are borne by a factory in China.  Now THAT'S what i'm talking about!  Most industries would rather NOT go through the trouble of locating to China or Mexico or other places.  Could you imagine, for instance, if a flat 17% income tax went in and the capital gains tax, a form of double-taxation, went bye-bye?  The investment in our own country would be HUGE, and states with the lowest levels of taxation and tolerable regulation would benefit. 

The way I see it, much of our problems - sadly, many posters and readers here miss this - in manufacturing and trade rest less with places like China and more with ourselves. 

Yes China holds much of our debt because they are a manufacturing monster, but in the absence of China that debt would be distributed among a handful of other countries that are simply more friendly to business.   Twenty years ago, it was all about Japan.  Today, it's China.  I predict that in another 20 years the populist shrieking will be all about India.  Or Brazil. 

"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)

They have been claiming this since before the stealfromus bill was passed.

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Thank you, cl3. I'd like to offer this article for your consideration as well.

Dr. Gary Null

If I have the wrong guy, please provide references.

Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.
- P.J. O'Rourke

If you need the money and it's the only job around, take it. 

I don't think there'll be a fiery-hot place waiting for you because of this job.   But if there is, be sure to look for me.  ;)

"Reason and persuasion are the only practical instruments against error.  To make way for these, free inquiry must be indulged" - Thomas Jefferson

I have to be totally honest with you. I don't find it hypocritical if you did that, because a man has to support himself and you did what you had to do to pay the rent.

However.........Whenever you smell blood in the water, I notice that you are always the first man to jump in and you seem to get off on the teaming up on a liberal point of view, more than most others here.

I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me, but there is a certain sick type of justice for you to design a site to make your hero look like a monkey and having to right slogans like "He was  born with silver straw". ;-) 

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"I have a Bush man-crush, you need to understand."-Mr. Shy

Shy Guy: It's easy for me to say, but I've always found that when I make a choice based on principle, God honors that decision in ways I may have never expected. I don't think he'd punish you for taking the job. But He may have something better waiting for you if you could somehow hang on a bit longer. Whatever you decide, I hope things work out for you. Being broke sucks.

Edited to correct spelling error.

Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.
- P.J. O'Rourke

I'll have to tell you some time about my parents trip to Britain. They planned it for years and years and when it finally happened, dad ended up in a hospital (amputated his leg), long story, But my little brother and sister saved the day! Mom loves Britain! I want to go there too! And my uncle lived many years in CR! I almost got to go, drat! Take her, you'll be happy you did. 

Gary

POLITICS: poly (many) + ticks (blood sucking parasites)

Hands down.

As a history buff, I can look at stuff like that for hours on end. Sadly, my HD died and I am not sure I am going to be able to recover much of what I have lost from it that I was too lazy to back up.

That's okay, because I am going to have a pretty good time finding it all over again.

-Dave

I don't like to be persnickity, (and it drives my wife crazy!), but Guernsey is a small Island off the coast of Normandy, which is somehow owned by the UK.  I first came to know about Gurensey by watching the movie, "The Others", which I would highly recomend.

England would not have tollerated German occupation of a small Island off the UK coast during WW2. 

"I've sentenced boys younger then you to the gas chamber.  Didn't want to do it, but I felt I owed it to them."  Judge Smails 

Jer fights his own battles and he sticks up for what he believes in my himself. You try to get people on your side for a team up, you also use the people on your buddy list to your advantage and feel like you can speak for other people.

Example,

"We" are tired of you Shawn/Jer/JasonC/Nwahs/Balboa. Jer does not expect people to help him and anyone that does stick up for him is not coerced. Anyway shy lets drop it, this is getting far too personal

"I have a Bush man-crush, you need to understand."-Mr. Shy