Last night's "apology" to Gov. Palin by comedian David Letterman "is slippery and Clintonian" but Gov. Sarah Palin "was right to rise above it and accept it," Media Research Center President Brent Bozell noted in a statement released today.
While the CBS "Late Show" host issued what many are calling a full and complete apology to Gov. Palin, Mr. Bozell argued it is far from an unequivocal apology:
Letterman's ‘apology' is slippery and Clintonian. He talked about the ‘perception' of his joke three times in his statement. He then goes on to say twice that he was ‘misunderstood.'
There's no perception, no misunderstanding. The public understood exactly what he said - joking about statutory rape - and was outraged. It was David Letterman who misunderstood who was in the audience, as if making a degrading joke about an 18-year-old girl is much more acceptable than taking the cheap shot at her 14-year-old sister.
Story Continues Below Ad ↓It's noteworthy that Mr. Letterman didn't take the opportunity to apologize for describing Governor Palin as looking like a ‘slutty flight attendant.' That kind of insult apparently continues to be acceptable in his world.
The transcript of Letterman's statement delivered last night follows (emphasis ours):
"... And then I was watching the Jim Lehrer 'Newshour' - this commentator, the columnist Mark Shields, was talking about how I had made this indefensible joke about the 14-year-old girl, and I thought, 'Oh, boy, now I'm beginning to understand what the problem is here. It's the perception rather than the intent.' It doesn't make any difference what my intent was, it's the perception. And, as they say about jokes, if you have to explain the joke, it's not a very good joke. And I'm certainly - " (audience applause) "- thank you. Well, my responsibility - I take full blame for that. I told a bad joke. I told a joke that was beyond flawed, and my intent is completely meaningless compared to the perception. And since it was a joke I told, I feel that I need to do the right thing here and apologize for having told that joke. It's not your fault that it was misunderstood, it's my fault. That it was misunderstood."
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well the reaction
June 16, 2009 - 10:07 ET by larry on LIfrom his audience seemed to consider his appology a wiggle at best.
HMMMM
June 16, 2009 - 10:09 ET by rick007It's all how you define is is.
Re audience reaction
June 16, 2009 - 10:16 ET by slickwillie2001You can't tell much from Lecherman's audience reaction. Those in attendance tend to be far-left Manhattan drones. They use an 'applause' sign to signal the audience when to respond to a joke, and if the applause falls flat they can inject some canned applause in the studio. The show, like all the late-night 'comedy' shows, is taped before a live audience and then broadcast later. You would have to have a witness there to get a true read of audience reaction.
Right, and a "nappy headed hoe" is really just a ...
June 16, 2009 - 10:16 ET by JTPFolickily challenged woman.... Now I understand.
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I'm sure that Letterman is
June 16, 2009 - 10:21 ET by JasonCI'm sure that Letterman is just losing sleep over the fact that the self-appointed Decency Czar is now harumphing over the inadequacy of his apology. If only he'd remembered the first rule of media performance: make sure Brent Bozell is satisfied with your level of decorum.
This accusation that the joke was about statutory rape is beyond ridiculous and you all know it. The joke was quite clearly directed at Bristol, not her younger sister. I seem to recall a whole lot of justification and attempts at contextualization with the whole monkey writing stimulus bills cartoon. "No no, the monkey doesn't represent the bill, because Obama isn't the one who actually wrote the bill! It's those liberals and their attempts to make us all look racist!!1!"
Which, okay, fair enough. At the time I bought into the conventional liberal wisdom about the cartoon and now realize I leapt to conclusions; it happens.
But now here, where the joke doesn't even make sense if it's not about Bristol, and is a topical if not crude joke given her new position as head of abstinence movement, half of the posters want to further demonize Letterman by implying he was talking about an underage girl. Just give it a rest already, it's baseless.
The joke was quite clearly
June 16, 2009 - 10:26 ET by ThisnThatThe joke was quite clearly directed at Bristol, not her younger sister.
Wellllll ! That solves it then. No problemo. JasonC, you're a genius for solving this issue and getting us out of this mess. What a wonderful, insightful asset you are, here at NB. Someone should nominate you for NB Poster of the year. Maybe even promote you to the staff, perhaps as editor.
I don't know if I speak for all NB'ers, but I'm sure I speak for the majority -- JasonC is nobody's fool. Hi-hip-hooray. I can't wait for you next post JasonC. But whatever it is -- may I quote you forever?
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Liberals constantly demand that we accept a glaring falsehood as truth; Obama's elimination of the word "terror" will make terrorist acts less terrifying
It's almost like you're
June 16, 2009 - 10:57 ET by JasonCIt's almost like you're being sarcastic or something. But I can't be sure...
I'm surprised
June 16, 2009 - 11:21 ET by ThisnThatSarcastic??? Not a chance. Just sincere, direct from the heart. Kinda like Letterman's apology was.
I'm really surprised you couldn't detect the similarity. Maybe I should retract the offer of NB poster of the year?
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Liberals constantly demand that we accept a glaring falsehood as truth; Obama's elimination of the word "terror" will make terrorist acts less terrifying
That make it so much better, NOT!
June 16, 2009 - 11:08 ET by CobraManSo, you're telling us that the joke about sexual molestation was direct at an adult instead of a minor? Well, that makes it so much better, NOT!
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Well, it doesn't make it
June 16, 2009 - 11:59 ET by JasonCWell, it doesn't make it better in some ways, but it does make it not about statutory rape...or molestation, for that matter.
Oh it was definitely about
June 16, 2009 - 17:41 ET by gmaniac1Oh it was definitely about statutory rape and it's definitely about you codoning the fact that he joked about statutory rape.
When the people fear the government it's called tyranny, when the government fears the people it's called liberty!
Jason, please explain how you know it was meant for Bristol and
June 16, 2009 - 19:52 ET by pahubernot Willow since Bristol was not at the game and Willow was...
I sincerely wish to know.
You seem so very certain.
Jason,I used to think
June 17, 2009 - 01:01 ET by NL207Jason,
I used to think you had some decency. Can't you understand that Letterman's vulgar joke about Palin's daughter was gauche, cras and completely uncalled for. I grew up some time ago in a society that seems not to exist anymore in this country. In the time I was a youth, if someone had made such a remark about a young woman, they would have shortly thereafter had their lights punched out. Had Letterman said this about my sister, I would have broken his nose for him.
There was a time even further back in our past when Letterman's foul and uncouth remarks would have lead to a potentially lethal duel. Our seventh President, Andrew Jackson, fought at least three such duels over exactly this cause and killed at least one man therein.
See the left for what it really is. This Letterman "humor" is exactly what the left is: completely without honor.
JasonC
June 16, 2009 - 10:27 ET by cvgbuckeyeThis argument and most notably yours, I suggest, is based mainly on your value system and your base for decency.
20% of America has a crude value system that allows for humor of the type Letterman excercised to be acceptable to all but their own wives, sisters, mothers and daughters. They will always find a way to justify it.
20% of America would not accept Letterman's apology if he offered to cut his own throat over it, (Hmmmm).
The other 60% of America hold a reasonable position that says, enough already, don't do it again on EITHER SIDE.
The problem lies in the fact that I believe that us 60% are dreaming.
Let's be clear here, I'm
June 16, 2009 - 11:03 ET by JasonCLet's be clear here, I'm not trying to defend Letterman or his remark. I could care less about Letterman personally, I've never once watched his show and if he's cancelled it will be no disappointment to me whatsoever.
I am, however, arguing against the extreme opposite of 'defending' him, which is to claim that he was over the line by 'attacking' an innocent family member of a politician. Bristol has used her own teen pregnancy to make herself a spokeswoman for abstinence-only culture - which is a controversial cultural position. Letterman's joke was unmistakably directed at this fact (and that, JWF, is your 'contextualization'). And before you start with the tangential arguments about how the media was oh-so-mean to the Palins even before that, I'm aware that some people were mean to them. It's simply not the issue.
Let's be frank here. Letterman and others make off-color jokes like this at least every other night. This uproar has nothing to do with much of anything other than that this particular joke was directed at a member of the new first family of conservatism.
"Let's be clear here, I'm
June 16, 2009 - 11:18 ET by SickofLibs"Let's be clear here, I'm not trying to defend Letterman or his remark."
My nomination for "Post of the Year."
But I'm quite serious. I
June 16, 2009 - 12:01 ET by JasonCBut I'm quite serious. I never said "You go Dave, tell it like it is". Rather, I'm pointing out that he was making a satirical statement which is directly related to the political issue of which the object of the satire has made herself a spokesperson. I'm defending the idea that Bristol is a legitimate target of criticism and satire; I am not saying the joke wasn't in poor taste. Just as most reasonable conservatives conceded that Ann Coulter was correct in asserting that the "Jersey Girls" are not above reproach, but still found the comment about enjoying their husbands' deaths to be way way over the line.
"Satire" has no hate component...
June 16, 2009 - 13:25 ET by SickofLibs... and ANY 18 yr old should not be a legitimate target for character assassination, ever.
Just who do you think she was advocating abstinence to... 40 yr olds or young teenage girls?
Hope you never have a kid who makes a mistake by getting hooked on drugs, gets clean, then tries to counsel others, because he'd obviously be a laughing stock in your neighborhood, right?
And all you stupid AA members out there, you got a lot of nerve. There may be a lot of "satire" directed at you soon.
You're misrepresenting the
June 16, 2009 - 13:35 ET by JasonCYou're misrepresenting the point that I thought I had made quite clearly. Your counterexample involving my hypothetical child would hold up only if I had said that Bristol is a hypocrite for preaching abstinence. I did no such thing. Just as advocating abstinence as an individual choice, or non-use of drugs as an individual choice is essentially a position no one can argue with, it is quite different to position yourself as aligned with a decidedly ideological movement pertaining to that position; in this case the abstinence-only education movement. In the case you posit, it might be comparable to say that this former drug user went on to ruthlessly crusade for increased spending on the drug war. That is a debatable, contentious cultural position, and by placing him/herself squarely and publicly on one side of it, one becomes open to critique and even satire.
As for the definition of satire, according to who does it not contain a "hate" component? And how exactly was Letterman, by referencing the one thing about Bristol Palin that pretty much everyone knows about her, being 'hateful'?
repeat after me: H-A-T-E-F-U-L
June 16, 2009 - 15:39 ET by SickofLibs1) I did not say that you thought Bristol was a hypocrite. I said I thought that an 18 yr old was not a legitimate target for character assassination. At least in civilized society.
2) Satire: find an english teacher who would say satire is thinly-veiled hatred. Wrong.
3) The kid is not associated with any "abstinence-only education movement". This is a figment of your imagination.
4) A 62 yr old man taking gratuitous pot shots at an 18 yr old HS girl to humiliate the mother for POLITICAL PURPOSES IS H-A-T-E-F-U-L. If you can't get this thru your thick head, be like Johnny Walker and go join the Taliban.
1. It's hardly character
June 16, 2009 - 16:28 ET by JasonC1. It's hardly character assassination.
2. I didn't say satire is "thinly-veiled hatred" - not to mention I reject your premise that Letterman's comment was hateful - I simply wonder what makes you think some forms of satire aren't more biting or even insulting than others. Swift could be pretty vicious. Don't tell me to go "ask an English teacher", do your own work and back up your own arguments.
3. I will revise my statement to say that her public stance is in line with, and useful to, abstinence-only education movements; you're right I don't know her specific affiliations and will not speculate.
4. First of all that is the second most moronic thing I've seen posted a propos of this whole Letterman flap. Maybe now you're just being satirical. But no, seriously, the dumbassery of this comment is almost hilarious. If you don't think Letterman should be pilloried, you're a terrorist. Wow.
SoL accepts Moron Runnerup Award from jasonc
June 17, 2009 - 12:00 ET by SickofLibs1. BS
2. BS
3. Apology accepted
4. My Taliban comment was related to your obvious total disrespect of women, not blowing up buildings or civilians. But feel free to present a Taliban defense, as you are kindred spirits on this issue.
Just curious, if my comment was only the 2nd most moronic thing you've seen posted, what 's #1? (And no, you may not nominate yourself)
1. Oh, no
June 18, 2009 - 14:45 ET by JasonC1. Oh, no counter-argument? What a surprise.
2. Oh, no counter-argument? What a surprise.
3. Thanks.
4. The statement continues to be idiotic. It has nothing to do with respect or disrepsect for women, at least on my part. You may level that critique at Dave if you like. I certainly have found it amusing how ever since Palin hit the scene, some weird right-wing version of feminism is the conservatives' new black. But I dare you to go find just one post in which I endorsed or cheered on D.L.'s specific comments. Just one. You want to compare me to the freakin' Taliban over a late-night talk show joke? Fine. Back it up.
To answer your question, that would be JWF. You have the upper hand on him by virtue of your ability to express cogent (albeit inane at times) thoughts in complete sentences.
You say you've never once watched his show
June 16, 2009 - 15:51 ET by delmarthen you say he makes jokes like this every other night.
I'm generalizing about the
June 16, 2009 - 18:26 ET by JasonCI'm generalizing about the sort of jokes that he and his ilk are known for making. Fortunately, I have NB to alert me whenever a prominent conservative is the target of such jokes.
Aren't you a brave little soul...
June 16, 2009 - 10:45 ET by JWF...throwing out the fun contextualization liberal meme-word. Got to have context. Got to understand context. No act can ever be condemned without going into six months worth of context. Say, why don't you move on to the big boys liberal word - construct.
...throwing out the liberal fascist and blatantly racist you all. Can you find a bigger brush LibbyC? What you all would you be referring to anyway? Us Joooossss? Us Blacks? Us conservatives? Us rednecks?
... Or is it us idiots? Please oh please explain how quite clearly the joke was directed. Us all obtuse peoples still do not get it. Oh please Obi Wan, do do do tell us.
...you admit to buying in to conventional libeal wisdom. Please, can one of us all send JesusC a big ol' boohoo medal?
...exactly who appointed you the head of the committee that appointed Bristol Palin the head of the abstinence movement? I have seen her make no such claim, nor have I seen anyone else make such a declaration. I have only seen it in one place - your post. Say, wait a tic, does that not make you a czar since you are making one man rulings? Hmmmmm. Did you accuse someone else of being a czar? Hmmmmm.
You are a special little sticky troll, now aren't you?
Still waiting for you to explain to US ALL how it was quite clearly directed there JesusC.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
I win.
June 16, 2009 - 11:38 ET by JWFJesusC felt it within him to respond to every other post except mine. Oh, he did mention me in another post. Still...
He let mine go because he knew I hit him dead on center in his tiny liberal soul.
I will now do the superior dance.
That's true SportPoli - er,
June 16, 2009 - 12:04 ET by JasonCThat's true SportPoli - er, 'JWF' - I replied to everyone but you. Insofar as you don't post arguments so much as strings of vaguely disgruntled sentence fragments and non sequiturs, I couldn't come up with much of a reply. You particularly lost me in the second paragraph. But I imagine I covered most of your concerns in my other posts. Adieu.
I get it. It is me. It is not the attention whore bigot troll.
June 18, 2009 - 01:53 ET by JWFNah, it is not the attention whore bigot troll JasonC that hates conservatives, NBers, Republicans & rightwingers. It is me.
I insult a founding member of MRC and Newsbusters - the self-appointed Decency Czar is now harumphing...
I insult commenters and contributors to Newsbusters - This accusation... is beyond ridiculous and you all know it. If we are making accusations that are false (beyond ridiculous) and we are aware it is false (you all know it) - That makes us all liars that spread propaganda now doesn't it?
I have never watched Mr. Letterman's show yet oddly enough, I still can make expert pronouncements - I've never once watched his show... Letterman...make off-color jokes like this at least every other night
I am still on a crying tear about Ann Coulter insulting the Jersey Girls 3 freakin' years later - Ann Coulter..."Jersey Girls"...comment about enjoying their husbands' deaths to be way way over the line.
I hate hate hate hate Palin with a burning white hot passion of a 1000 suns - ...the new First Family of Modern Conservatism.
I want you all to know how unequivocal I can be and you all damn well better know how unequivocal I am! - The joke was quite clearly directed... was unmistakably directed... ...it's painfully obvious he was referencing....
I parrot liberal media bias talking points on a site dedicated to combating liberal media bias with no sense of irony - Bristol is, in the public eye, associated with exactly two things: teen pregnancy and (now) prevention of same...
Does everyone know I heart my buddy fitzfong and parrot everything he says in addition to parroting everything the liberal media says? Love ya fitzy! Kisses buddy! - Even Fitzfong, a known conservative and well respected NBer... Fitz provided an ironclad argument.... As Fitz has pointed out... ...it's already been aptly demonstrated why that's unimportant, mostly by Fitzfong.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Should I apologise for the fitzfong kisses joke?
June 18, 2009 - 05:54 ET by JWFI'm sure that better men is just losing sleep over the fact that the self-appointed Decency Czar is now harumphing over the inadequacy of my apology. If only I'd remembered the first rule of media performance: make sure JasonC is satisfied with your level of decorum.
This accusation that the joke was about salutory mancrushes is beyond ridiculous and you all know it. The joke was quite clearly directed at JasonC, not his younger sister. I seem to recall a whole lot of justification and attempts at contextualization with the whole monkey loves bill cartoon. "No no, the monkey doesn't represent the love for bill, because Omaha isn't the place actually where he loved bill! It's those liberals and their attempts to make us all look racist!!1!"
Which, okay, fair enough. At the time I bought into the conventional liberal wisdom about the bugs bunny cartoon and now realize I leapt to conclusions; it happens.
But now here, where the joke doesn't even make sense if it's not about JasonC, and is a topical if not crude joke given her new position as head of abominable snowman movement, half of the posters want to further demonize better men by implying he was talking about an underarm grunge. Just give it a rest already, it's baseless
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Look. Another best of JWF. All thanks to the JasonC...
June 18, 2009 - 06:58 ET by JWF...and his insistence that I am a duplicate account user. I went searching for this sportpolitics guy and found this. Looks like JasonC is a multiple badge earner. He got the boohoo badge and the I opposed the war, I am a hero badge too.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/01/25/stewart-limbaugh-arguably-treasonous-wanting-obama-fail#comment-833658
Subj: I am writing my congressman today
Whether the war is going well or not at this point does not in any way affect my conviction that the war was as wrong when we took Baghdad as it is now.
We need to get rid of those antiquated holidays like Veterans day and Memorial day and honor those true heroes that stood shoulder to shoulder with our enemy and said "oh please stop ta killin'!"
We can not have our enemy thinking he may be defeated on the battlefield now can we? We can't have him thinking this country is united in the conviction that we will prevail. He might get the silly idea that he would have to surrender or die.
So let's have a national day to honor the brave brave brave folks that opposed the war and gave comfort to the enemy. Everyone! Come on! We will call it Courageously Opposing War And Radiating Dissent In Concern for the Enemy.
On National C.O.W.A.R.D.I.C.E day, we would have these fun activities -
Kick a Gold Star mother and yell in her face - "JasonC is not a narcissist!"
Burning effigies of Sen. McCain & Gen. Petraeus and Gary Sinise and Bob Hope because silly rabbits, dissent is not telling us a better way to achieve VICTORY. It is blind opposition because you hate the current occupant of the White House. And supporting the troops is not making dozens of visits to the battlefield to entertain the troops. No we support them by bringing them home in the shame of cutting & running.
Throwing parties in honor of Rosie O'Donnel, Benedict Arnold, Tokyo Rose and JasonC!
Standing outside military bases and spitting on the troops while we yell that their opinion means nothing. NO! You can not win. No! you can not finish the job. No! It is not about you.
Because National C.O.W.A.R.D.I.C.E day is about us! me! N.O.W. Narcissists Opposing War!
Of course the symbal of COWARDICE day would be the disco ball cuz it is chock full o' da mirrorings!
Silly people, thinking that once the troops boots hit the ground in enemy territory, that somehow, we must automagically support them in their fight. NO! ME ME ME ME ME ME! I oppose the war and so does the enemy! Somebody hurt my feelings because I oppose the war and now that somebody must pay! Don't they know it is all about me and my feelings on the war. Don't they know that I do not care if I provide moral support to the enemy! I am more important than anyone actually fighting for our country on the battlefield. LEARN THAT NOW PEOPLE!
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Lucid as ever, cowboy.
June 18, 2009 - 14:49 ET by JasonCLucid as ever, cowboy.
Whatever, braveheart.
June 18, 2009 - 23:19 ET by JWFPlease grandpa, regale us with stories of how you opposed the war again. You were so brave.
Then tell us about the day you and every single person in the MSM stood up to that meany Brent Bozell and all the users at NewBusters and defended poor Mr. Letterman despite him being quite clearly most auspiciously unmitigatedly cross his heart truthytelly.
Finally, to top it off, tell us stories about the fitzylove. We wanna hear about your fitzylove.
Please grandpa, regale us
June 19, 2009 - 06:11 ET by JasonCPlease grandpa, regale us with stories of how you opposed the war again. You were so brave.
Wow, this was actually a pretty clever dig...and impeccably written too. Nice job! And it's so true, what is a grandparent good for if not telling war stories?
Anyway, thank you for clearing up the pressing question of whether or not I favored the Iraq invasion. I know that most of the posters here simply couldn't figure that one out. Kudos. What that discussion from 8 or so months ago has to do with the current issue, I'm a little unclear on. But surely it makes sense to you.
Then tell us about the day you and every single person in the MSM stood up to that meany Brent Bozell
Gather round children, and I shall tell you a tale of the day I logged onto Newsbusters and spent 36 seconds writing a post and then 4 days responding to its detractors....
and defended poor Mr. Letterman despite him being quite clearly most auspiciously unmitigatedly cross his heart truthytelly.
Could you diagram this sentence?
Finally, to top it off, tell us stories about the fitzylove. We wanna hear about your fitzylove.
One NB poster with a divergent opinion is an annoying little pest. But when two posters are actually in agreement and reference each others' points - well then, that's just plain homoerotic, isn't it? Of course, by that logic, all the staunchly conservative posters here comprise the world's largest right-wing gangbang.
Could you diagram this sentence?
June 19, 2009 - 07:22 ET by JWFSure.
and defended poor Mr. Letterman despite him being quite clearly most auspiciously unmitigatedly cross his heart truthytelly.
It is related to this >>>>>>
I want you all to know how unequivocal I can be and you all damn well better know how unequivocal I am! - The joke was quite clearly directed... was unmistakably directed... ...it's painfully obvious he was referencing....
most auspiciously relates to quite clearly
unmitigatedly relates to unmistakably
Cross his heart truthytelly relates to painfully obvious.
You did get the first dig. How did you miss that?
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Clearly
June 16, 2009 - 10:49 ET by IgnatzJFahrquar"The joke was quite clearly directed at Bristol, not her younger sister."
Let's see, Willow was attending the game with her mother. Letterman makes a crude "joke" about a ballplayer entering the stands to knock up Palin's daughter. Yep, I can see how you figure it was Bristol who was not at the game.
Quite a stretch.
"You should always tell the truth, because if you tell the truth you make it the other person's problem." Sean Connery
Was Letterman and/or his
June 16, 2009 - 10:54 ET by JasonCWas Letterman and/or his writers aware of which daughters were or were not at the game? For the younger sister, the joke just doesn't even make sense. If that's who he was referring to, then yes, that's pretty over the line. I would argue he was not. Even if I'm right, one could still find the joke offensive; but it does torpedo the claim that it was a joke about statutory rape.
I'm pretty sure they were
June 16, 2009 - 11:17 ET by CobraMan"Was Letterman and/or his writers aware of which daughters were or were not at the game?"
I'm pretty sure they were. If they knew Sarah was at the game, they must have known who was with her. Why else wold the even mention that she was accompanied by her daughter if they didn't know her daughter was there? If they knew her daughter WAS there, they must have known which daughter it was. So, Letterman KNEW who he was talking about, correct?
Any other lame excuses you'd like to make for Letterman's despicable behavior? How can ANYONE excuse Letterman for calling a State Governor a "slutty flight attendant," "joking" about her daughter (it really doesn't matter which one) being "knocked up?" (implying she, too, is a slut) And doing soon national television?
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
the joke was about statutory rape is beyond ridiculous and you a
June 16, 2009 - 10:51 ET by Paleo2kI'm sure that Letterman is
June 16, 2009 - 11:21 ET by JasonC
I'm sure that Letterman is just losing sleep
Since it is 'so obvious' that Letterman was referring to the daughter who wasn't at the game are we to also infer that Arods 'endowment' can cover the distance from NY to Wasilla during the 7th inning stretch?
On a personal level my humor can be as crass and non-pc as anyones...while among friends and usually while liquored up. Never...ever...in a public forum though. Never.
...are we to also infer
June 16, 2009 - 10:56 ET by JasonC...are we to also infer that Arods 'endowment' can cover the distance from NY to Wasilla during the 7th inning stretch?
Heh, probably not, what with the steroids.
jason ,your long winded anyalysis
June 16, 2009 - 10:57 ET by larry on LImissed the point ,the only young girl that was sitting with the palin's was their 14yr. old daughter. you can try to spin it any way you want,but you can't make the butt of the joke their 18 yr. old daughter,who was back in alaska.
I don't see how that's
June 16, 2009 - 11:06 ET by JasonCI don't see how that's necessarily pertinent to the joke. I don't even watch Letterman and I know that he construes these sorts of things for the benefit of the joke. Bristol is, in the public eye, associated with exactly two things: teen pregnancy and (now) prevention of same. I suppose if A-Rod happened to be out with an injury that night, that would also make the joke work any less?
It's not pertinent, at least in how offensive that "joke" was
June 16, 2009 - 11:23 ET by CobraManIt really doesn't matter which daughter he was talking about, his "joke" was extremely insulting. He called a Governor, which is a highly respected position here in America, a "slutty flight attended" and "joked" about her daughter getting "knocked up" during the game, thus implying that she, too, was a slut! That is the "pertinence" of his 'joke," correct?
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
It really doesn't matter
June 16, 2009 - 12:07 ET by JasonCIt really doesn't matter which daughter he was talking about, his "joke" was extremely insulting.
I don't disagree with that.
They why question the "pertinence"
June 16, 2009 - 12:15 ET by CobraManThey why do you question the "pertinence" of any aspect of the "joke?"
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
Then what's the point of
June 16, 2009 - 17:45 ET by gmaniac1Then what's the point of losing an argument over this if you don't "disagree." You think by overstating your b.s. is going to change anyone's minds, or at least someone that is if sound mind? There's no defense for Letterman joking about a 14 year old girl being raped. I'll wait for the next thesis of nothingness that you will write in response.
When the people fear the government it's called tyranny, when the government fears the people it's called liberty!
I've stated in several
June 16, 2009 - 18:42 ET by JasonCI've stated in several different places what my argument is. It's pretty straightforward, really. I couldn't care less about changing your mind. If you want to convince (delude) yourself it was about a 14-year-old being raped so that you can just heap that much more scorn on someone who dared to make fun of the new First Family of Modern Conservatism, be my guest. To me, it's painfully obvious he was referencing Bristol, not what's-her-name, the younger one. Even Fitzfong, a known conservative and well respected NBer, has laid out the case (more articulately than I have) for why saying Letterman was "joking about rape" is inane.
Not that this makes it any less crass a joke (though again, it does sink the statuory rape angle). But I'm not arguing that it wasn't crass. I'm arguing that:
a) It was a reasonably topical joke which simultaneously poked fun at A-Rod's promiscuity and Bristol's association with teen pregnancy/newfound political position again it.
b) It hardly qualifies as "hateful".
c) If it was about anyone who's last name isn't Palin, no one would be half so worked up.
This is what some might call a "reasonable position." I'm not cheering Dave on or trying to say his comments weren't tacky, nor am I saying he's a hatemonger who "joked about rape" and that, as you so eloquently put it elsewhere, anyone who excuses it is perverted.
Well if you couldn't care
June 16, 2009 - 18:42 ET by gmaniac1Well if you couldn't care less than why respond/defend yourself to me? If you don't think it's about the 14 year old even though it clearly was then that's your problem to deal with. I could care less about which conservative agrees with you or not. The fact remains that he was talking about Willow, and you've gotten yourself too deep a hole to dig yourself out of so now you're stuck defending Letterman. That's not my fault.
I'll stick by my statement that anyone that defends Letterman on this, regardless of political afilliation, needs to do some serious soul searching.
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Well gm1
June 16, 2009 - 18:55 ET by general companyAsk Jason how may dissagreed with his token conservative?
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It doesn't matter how many
June 16, 2009 - 18:57 ET by JasonCIt doesn't matter how many people disagreed with him. Logic is not a democracy. Fitz provided an ironclad argument that no one has even attempted to counter.
If your going to flaunt one it does seem to matter.
June 16, 2009 - 19:29 ET by general companyLogic is not a democracy.
No sh!t, how else could you explain Obama?
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The fact remains that he
June 16, 2009 - 18:55 ET by JasonCThe fact remains that he was talking about Willow
Oh, really?
Did he call her by name? No.
Did he imply that he was speaking about her by referring to her age? No.
Does anyone, anywhere, have any reason whatsoever to associate Willow with pregnancy? No.
As Fitz has pointed out, the burden of proof is on those who make the accusation. The only proof offered by most people on this board is "just because"...because that's what you want it to be so that what you perceive as Letterman's shame can be maximized.
The premise of the joke - and this is just shockingly obvious - is that Bristol IS, fairly or unfairly, associated with pregnancy. The only way to associate Willow with this is that she was the one who was literally at the stadium with her parents. But that's essentially irrelevant when one reasonably considers the context of the joke. After all, it's not like A-Rod literally slept with anyone. The presence of the Palins at Yankee Stadium at all lends itself to the intersection of A-Rod's sexual escapades and Bristol's association with pregnancy in the popular imagination.
Is it unfortunate that Letterman made the joke when the only one who was really there was not the one whom the joke was obviously about? Sure. Is it a crass joke any way one slices it. Yes.
But this accusation that Letterman meant the joke to be about Willow - which of course is being perpetuated by Palin herself and parroted by the right in general - simply doesn't hold water.
Okay, I can play this silly
June 16, 2009 - 19:12 ET by gmaniac1Okay, I can play this silly little game. He mentioned that A-Rod knocked her up during the "7th inning stretch." Hmmm, A-Rod got on a super fast plane to Alaska, had sex with Bristol, and made it back for, let's just say for elasped time's sake, the 9th inning. By the way, didn't OJ get off on a distorted view like this. Anyhow, he couldn't have knocked up Willow because somehow she's unable to have children? Is that it?
Let's move on... so all-in-all the defense is that either 1) A-Rod has access to technology that no one else does; 2) It is assumed that Willow cannot have children; or shoot 3) Willow wasn't even at the game, it was all made up to make poor Dave Letterman look bad.
So is someone that agrees with you going to help you with any other talking points or can you restate any more that you haven't already on your own?
When the people fear the government it's called tyranny, when the government fears the people it's called liberty!
How does one even respond
June 16, 2009 - 19:17 ET by JasonCHow does one even respond to this? When you first heard a knock-knock joke did you actually go and answer the door? Do you think a giant gorilla really climber the Empire State Building upon finding out he couldn't fit in the elevator? These are tossed-off, one-liner jokes.
Just...wow...I can't even argue this anymore. You win. I'm going to go drink now.
Wow, I thought you already
June 16, 2009 - 19:30 ET by gmaniac1Wow, I thought you already were drunk from some of your posts.
I told you I would play your silly little game and once you saw what it looked from a different viewpoint, the light at the end of the tunnel was not a train after all.
Glad I could be of service, cheers!
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I'm toasting my first
June 16, 2009 - 19:34 ET by JasonCI'm toasting my first double Scotch to you.
clink
No really, I see your argument and all, I just disagree so vehemently and so thoroughly understand the situation in a diametrically opposite fashion of which I know I can't adequately convince you...oh well, no hard feelings.
And cheers to you.
Jason, first of all, I'd be
June 16, 2009 - 19:55 ET by gmaniac1Jason, first of all, I'd be drinking too but I have my kid for the summer.
Disagreeing with me is fine but the fact that people come out and blindly defend this man is what's bothersome. If Letterman didn't want to be villified by anyone, including many on the left, he should have never attacked her family in the first place. He did that to himself and by not mentioning Bristol's name, he left it open for interpretation, which belies the point, "which daughter was at the game?" Do I truly think Letterman is a creep? Yes sir! Do I think he wish he could take it back in a heartbeat? Yes sir again! I took it as he thought since the Palins allowed one daughter to get pregnant under their watch that somehow another one could do the same. No slight to them, just an outside looking in observation but mistakes happen. I have an 8 year old daughter and getting her through high school wihout any serious implications is my main goal. When I read the joke I truly thought he was talking about Willow. No lie, really I did. Is it debatable? Sure, but he didn't mention which one therefore the court of public opinion rules against him in my eyes.
This kind of crap is getting old but isn't going away. You can rip someone's politics and even pick on their character if you feel so inclined, but the family is off limits. I'm not extremely offended by the slutty flight attendant joke but it was out of line. The joke actually makes him look classless in my honest opinion.
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Well, lets revistit this?
June 16, 2009 - 19:34 ET by general companyThe fact remains that he was talking about Willow
Oh, really?
Did he call her by name? No.
Did he imply that he was speaking about her by referring to her age? No.
Was she at the game? Hhmm. Was Bristol at the game? Hhmm. Game, set, match! Convoluted liberal speak dont count
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From his apology, it appears
June 16, 2009 - 19:39 ET by balboaFrom his apology, it appears that Letterman didn't know exactly who was at the game, and didn't mean to indicate that it was Willow. As he said, it was a flawed joke.
Balboa, I like your version
June 16, 2009 - 19:59 ET by gmaniac1Balboa, I like your version better than Letterman's but either way, fair enough.
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Jason, If you're going to
June 16, 2009 - 19:37 ET by fitzfongJason,
If you're going to a bar to have your drink, would you please do me a favor? Check to see if a priest and a rabbi are there. I'm planning to tell a "priest and rabbi walked into a bar" joke later and I need to make sure they are actually there before I deliver the punchline. Thanks.
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If that doesn't work
June 16, 2009 - 19:43 ET by nwahsI just passed three polish people in a convertible...you can tell that one.
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Hey, what the heck
June 16, 2009 - 20:05 ET by general companyDo you mean Polish?
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Yeah, there's nothing like
June 16, 2009 - 20:11 ET by gmaniac1Yeah, there's nothing like a good polish joke?
When the people fear the government it's called tyranny, when the government fears the people it's called liberty!
Someone is spellchecking the internet
June 16, 2009 - 21:06 ET by nwahsCoolArrow where are ya? I've got a spell checker here!
http://newsbusters.o...
Did you misspell?
June 16, 2009 - 21:15 ET by general companyOr is my Polish bad?
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In Stadium
June 16, 2009 - 11:18 ET by MaytagWillow the 14 year old was in the stadium. Pretty obvious which daugther he was talking about. Unless Arod is so potent he could reach Alaska..
For some reason, and I'm
June 16, 2009 - 18:31 ET by gmaniac1For some reason, and I'm not sure why, the loons just don't want to admit that even though it is beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Let's put it this way, in legal terms... if Letterman actually had sex with the daughter in question; in a court of law after serious deliberation, he would possibly not be a free man today. The only other question mark would be how many sicko libs would be in the jury to defend his actions because they despise Sarah Palin.
When the people fear the government it's called tyranny, when the government fears the people it's called liberty!
No one's denying who was or
June 16, 2009 - 18:39 ET by JasonCNo one's denying who was or wasn't at the stadium. But it's already been aptly demonstrated why that's unimportant, mostly by Fitzfong.
Whatever...certain proponents of the right are so enjoying being indignant about this, I almost feel bad trying to ruin it for them.
Well he mentioned the
June 16, 2009 - 18:51 ET by gmaniac1Well he mentioned the daughter in the stadium and that daughter was 14 years old, end of story.
And I'm happy you have one person on here you feel justifies your defense of Letterman's perverted comment but how is that "indignant" on anyone else's part? It sounds more like you're the one being indignant about Bristol being the brunt of the joke.
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The joke was quite clearly
June 16, 2009 - 11:19 ET by MazziThe joke was quite clearly directed at Bristol, not her younger sister.
Clearly. Even though the younger daughter was at the game, but the "legal" one was not. It seems that it would be hard for Bristol to "get knocked up" at a game she didn't attend.
Letterman probably had a "whew" moment when he realized he could weasel out of the problem by claiming he meant Bristol, no matter how lame that sounds.
But here's the deal. Assuming for an instant that he he really meant Bristol (which I don't believe for a second - but I am playing devils advocate), what did this joke mean? Think about that. Taking out the statutory rape aspect, he still suggested that a teenaged girl would have sex with a middle-aged man who she did not know, during a brief pause in a game. The world is NOT a porn movie, and yet, that "joke" was inferring that it is, and that an eighteen year old girl is a good target for painting with that brush. Can't you SEE that?
Bristol may have had a child out of wedlock, but many people do - including Letterman himself. He SHOULD have thought about how he would feel if someone made a similar joke about his babymama - that she is a whore because she had a b_stard child. And SHE is not a fragile teenager, she is a grown woman.
The fact that he had plenty of time to review and think about this joke, which was written in advance, gives us a clue into his thought process. If you don't like someone, or disagree with their politics, it's OK to call them a slut (as he did Palin, directly) or infer that they are whores (as he did to "one" of the daughters). Even in absence of any indication that they are. There is ZERO evidence that Palin has ever done anything slutty no matter how hard the tabloids (and the MSM) have tried to dredge something up. So why a slut? Because it is the ULTIMATE insult to a respectable woman. It is like a baseball bat to the back of the knees.
This is not acceptable under any circumstance, and it saddens me that so many people can't see, or don't care about this underlying hostility. It's not a joke, it's just rude and mean and nasty.
"I would rather be historically accurate than politically correct" ~ My husband's T-Shirt
The joke was quite clearly
June 16, 2009 - 11:31 ET by fitzfongThe joke was quite clearly directed at Bristol, not her younger sister.
Apparently, Letterman wasn't clear enough, and, in that sense, he only has himself to blame. The first time I saw the clip, I was not convinced that the joke was at Willow's expense. It seems, however, that enough people are convinced that it was at Willow's expense to create a problem for Letterman. By failing to single out which daughter he was speaking of, he created a situation where it's reasonable to believe that he might have been targeting Willow. However, attempts to assert that Letterman was absolutely targeting Willow Palin are, in my opinion (not that anyone asked), cynical. I mean, when your argument boils down to "David Letterman told a disgusting joke about the rape of a 14-year-old girl, but even if it was about the 18-year-old as he claims, does that excuse him", you're trying too hard to have it both ways. The joke was an unqualified disgrace, and isn't it offensive enough that it was directed at Bristol? To me there's a certain greedy opportunism that comes from asserting that Willow was the victim when the best you can hope to prove is that she could have been the victim. And if anyone is coming off as Clintonian in this piece, it's Brent Bozell.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
Your contention would be
June 16, 2009 - 11:47 ET by MazziYour contention would be logical, except that only ONE of the three daughters was at the game. If it had been the 6-year old, I would give him the benefit of the doubt, but in today's society it is not unusual for a 14 year old to be sexually active. By implying it was Willow, he got to toss a double-whammy in there. Not only are the Palin women sluts, but the younger teen is following in their footsteps. Badda-bing!
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Mazzi, This comes down to
June 16, 2009 - 11:56 ET by fitzfongMazzi,
This comes down to sin of commission vs. sin of ommission. We can safely say that David Letterman committed a sin of commission by telling a nasty joke about one of Sarah Palin's daughters...he meant to victimize one of the two. However, I can only assert that he committed a sin of ommission against either Bristol or Willow by not excluding the one who wasn't the directed target. You're being presumptuous by claiming that David Letterman implied it was Willow...you inferred that he meant Willow. Big difference.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
He knew who it was
June 16, 2009 - 12:13 ET by CobraManLetterman KNEW which daughter was there. The fact that he knew that ANY daughter was there shows that he was aware of who attended the game with Governor Palin. He just didn't care which daughter he was referring to. To Letterman, the Palin women are all the same, sluts, and that's good enough for him.
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Let's Deconstruct
June 16, 2009 - 12:32 ET by fitzfongLetterman KNEW which daughter was there.
And you can prove this? How?
The fact that he knew that ANY daughter was there shows that he was aware of who attended the game with Governor Palin.
Uh, no, it doesn't. But, if so, I assume every time a Clinton/Lewinsky joke was told and the joke teller referred to Clinton being some place specific, that joke teller made sure that Lewinsky was there, too?
He just didn't care which daughter he was referring to.
It may seem that way to you, but you can't prove that. That's just a non sequitur.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
The beam in thy own
June 16, 2009 - 13:10 ET by CobraMan"And you can prove this? How?"
It's simple, he knew there was a daughter accompanying Palin. Do you really think that daughters NAME wasn't mentioned? Use a little deductive reasoning once in a while, ok?
"Uh, no, it doesn't. But, if so, I assume every time a Clinton/Lewinsky joke was told and the joke teller referred to Clinton being some place specific, that joke teller made sure that Lewinsky was there, too?"
Only if you're an idiot who tends to confuse the names of people with the names of places.
"It may seem that way to you, but you can't prove that. That's just a non sequitur."
How is it a non sequitur? Letterman referred to Sarah AND her daughter (doesn't matter which one) and implied they were sluts. Do you REALLY think he would limit himself to just TWO Palin women?
BTW, this little fact may have escaped you, but you can't PROVE that Letterman really wasn't referring to the minor child and is now LYING about that. So excuse me if I'm not intimidated by your insistence of "proof" when you offer none yourself.
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Use a little deductive
June 16, 2009 - 13:21 ET by fitzfongUse a little deductive reasoning once in a while, ok?
Here's a thought: why don't you learn the difference between deductive reasoning and inductive reasoning and then lecture me? I'll give you a clue: you're presenting inductive supposition as deductive "proof".
Only if you're an idiot who tends to confuse the names of people with the names of places.
Huh? Do you even know what that means? If you are to conclude that Bristol Palin must have been at Yankee Stadium in order for the joke to possibly have been about her, you must also conclude that, for example, a joke referring to John Edwards chasing an ambulance, to Monica Lewinsky "servicing" Clinton or to O.J. Simpson murdering his latest girlfriend must be accurate as to setting of all parties involved.
How is it a non sequitur? Letterman referred to Sarah AND her daughter (doesn't matter which one) and implied they were sluts.
The substance of your assertion that Letterman "didn't care" which daughter was being slimed is non-existent. It's a throwaway line with no evidence to support it other than your opinion. And, by the way, you can't prove that he "implied they were sluts". You may have inferred that he was suggesting they were sluts, but you have no way of knowing what he implied.
BTW, this little fact may have escaped you, but you can't PROVE that Letterman really wasn't referring to the minor child and is now LYING about that. So excuse me if I'm not intimidated by your instance of "proof" when you offer none yourself.
What part of "burden of proof" do you not understand? The burden of proof rests with the accuser. You seem to be making the accusation that Letterman was targeting Willow, to the exclusion of Bristol, with his "joke". My position is that you can't prove that he was...I am making no accusation. Therefore, the burden of proof rests with you.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
Hardly presumptuous.
June 16, 2009 - 20:09 ET by pahuber"You're being presumptuous by claiming that David Letterman implied it was Willow...you inferred that he meant Willow."
Presumptuous?
- Willow was the only one at the game... it stands to reason that it must have been her.
- You are saying since he did not mention her name then he most likely meant Bristol.
- Either way he was acting like a thug in telling this joke, but those who believed it was directed at Willow have much more of a leg to stand on because she was the only daughter at the game.
pahuber
June 16, 2009 - 20:30 ET by well99Facts arent important to them.They make it up as they go along.There is nothing to back up their lies.I agree even if it had been about Bristol.Only a punk would try to get at someone thru their family.See that is something the left doesnt understand.
Presumptuous? Yes. You
June 16, 2009 - 22:17 ET by fitzfongPresumptuous?
Yes. You can suspect what he was thinking. You cannot assert what he was thinking. Only he knows what he was thinking. End of story.
- Willow was the only one at the game... it stands to reason that it must have been her.
Not really. You're hanging your case on an incidental and insignificant fact...as if the laws of Physics somehow prevented the construction of this joke. Tell me, pahuber, do you recall that Letterman referred to a highlight reel that showed A-Rod "knocking up" Palin's daughter? Does that highlight reel exist? No? Must the highlight reel exist for the joke to stand (hint: tread lightly, this is designed to be a trick question)?
- You are saying since he did not mention her name then he most likely meant Bristol.
If I was to guess, I would say that he most likely meant Bristol. I don't know for certain, and neither do you. I feel compelled to give him the benefit of the doubt.
- Either way he was acting like a thug in telling this joke, but those who believed it was directed at Willow have much more of a leg to stand on because she was the only daughter at the game.
I agree with the first half of your statement. But I think you are wildly overstating your case in the second half...relying on an irrelevant piece of information to support your position.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
Obama's family should be fair game, too!
June 16, 2009 - 13:28 ET by KSKIf one member getting 'knocked-up' makes the entire family fair game for ridicule then Obama's family should be fair game, too. Remember his mother got 'knocked-up', too, did'nt she?
The fact that Mr. Hope and
June 16, 2009 - 19:15 ET by gmaniac1The fact that Mr. Hope and Change, that was supposed to bring everyone together, hasn't spoken out against this shows what kind of person he really is. I guess you can put lipstick on a pig right Baby Boy?
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Excuse Me!
June 16, 2009 - 13:35 ET by GeneralAlLetterman talked about Palin and her daughter going to the stadium! She was fourteen years old! If he didn't mean it about her, he should have said so, as the older daughter wasn't there! Also, he should have put his brain in gear before his leftist dumb head mouth! Furthermore, I thought you liberals loved everybody! Its obvious that it only applies to other liberals!
The sicko libs could care
June 16, 2009 - 18:35 ET by gmaniac1The sicko libs could care less as long as someone is demeaning a conservative. Letterman could have propositioned the youngest daughter on his TV show to her face and he would be exonerated in their eyes. Anyone that defends this "joke" by Letterman is not only sexually perverted but perverted in general.
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Letterboob
June 16, 2009 - 10:18 ET by iveseenitallThe guy isn't able to make a honest apology. It would take a man to do that. Ignorant, juvenile, narcissistic "liberals" are incapable of sincerity. They are the bane of American society who should have been slapped upside the head years ago. That includes their leader, Barry.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
isia... It would take a
June 16, 2009 - 11:49 ET by bigtimerisia...
It would take a man to do that indeed...and like you infer, that certainly leaves Letterman out.
Bad thing about all of this now, in my mind, is this is now boosting his ratings.
Frankly, I'm sick of it all now....he's a leftist punk, simple as that.
...plus I agree with the rest of your post regarding Barry, problem is, even if they did get slapped on the head, it wouldn't matter, you have to have something in there that works logically in the first place.
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Slutty
June 16, 2009 - 10:20 ET by ThisnThatIt's noteworthy that Mr. Letterman didn't take the opportunity to apologize for describing Governor Palin as looking like a ‘slutty flight attendant.' That kind of insult apparently continues to be acceptable in his world.
It's certainly acceptable to all the world's women's groups. Haven't heard a peep from any of them about this at all. Remember the uproar from the Flight Attendents Assoc in January when Spirit airlines introduced a proposal which would force Spirit flight attendants to wear inflight aprons adorned with an alcoholic beverage logo? Here's what they said about that:
These advertisements are degrading and demeaning. "I feel as though I have entered a time warp and am reliving the battles for respect and justice for women that we fought for 40 years ago," said Patricia Friend, AFA-CWA International President. "Several promotional fare ads, with their not very subtle innuendoes, are demeaning not to just the hardworking flight attendants at Spirit Airlines but to all of America's professional flight attendants.
But being called slutty? Not a problem, I guess. Maybe I'll use that term the next time I fly and see if I get the same approving silence as Letterman is receiving.
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Slutty!
June 16, 2009 - 13:41 ET by GeneralAlDead Letter Head is no person to talk about someone such as Palin as slutty. The man whose little head thinks for him marries and underage girl. He should have been in jail for statutory rape! Talk about sluts! I think I'll call him Letter Pimp Head!
Flight Attendants!
June 16, 2009 - 15:43 ET by blazermaniacI'm sure that Flight Attendants around the country were thrilled to hear Letterman's lame joke about them. Letterman won't get fired, because CBS won't stand up for what is right. The network should just be called "BS". The only was to see this old fossil go away, is to not watch his horrible idea of a show. I haven't watch it in a dozen years. He just isn't that funny anymore.
As a retired "slutty Flight Attendant",
June 16, 2009 - 10:27 ET by DelsaI DO NOT ACCEPT THIS CREEPS APOLOGY!
Who the hell does he think he is?
He is a man who met a woman, got her pregnant out of wedlock, and didn't marry the mommy for several years while the little off spring was growing up!
Maybe what he knows about women, he learned from his wife???
This is another
June 16, 2009 - 10:28 ET by balboaThis is another misperception. Did Letterman say ALL flight attendants were slutty? Nope.
Bal, I earlier posted about
June 16, 2009 - 10:33 ET by ThisnThatBal, I earlier posted about how JasonC has solved this mess for us -- but perhaps I was premature. Your statement is even more profound than his. Perhaps you are the poster of the year, rather than him? I don't know -- between yours and his statements -- it's hard to choose.
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bal,
June 16, 2009 - 10:34 ET by AgnosticMost still don't seem to realize that all the jokes were designed to insult Sarah Palin and the daughters and slutty flight attendants just got caught in the cross-fire. Letterman doesn't care about the daughters but does disagree with the mother politically so she is open game and damn the consequences - well sort of.
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balboa
June 16, 2009 - 10:45 ET by cvgbuckeyeYou never run out do you?
"If it don't fit, you gotta acquit". Right bal?
"I Dream of Jeannie"
June 16, 2009 - 10:48 ET by SickofLibsFlight attendants as Swedish sluts is a tired old adolescent 60s meme.
I am a frequent flier, and have NEVER seen a flight attendant I would describe as slutty.
Gay-as-hell, yes.
There is another idiot.
June 16, 2009 - 11:12 ET by JWFOk red herring boy. Who said Letterman said ALL flight attendants were slutty? Who? Come on red herring boy. We are all focused on your red herring. Who said it?
Way to miss the entire point of the article by the way. That Letterman spent six hundred words describing how misunderstood he was before spending 20 words apologising to the Palins.
Nope, I am balboa the lost hobbit, I like red herrings.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
OK, three-letter boy. Delsa
June 16, 2009 - 11:14 ET by balboaOK, three-letter boy. Delsa said she was offended as a "former slutty flight attendant," as if Letterman had accused ALL flight attendants of being slutty. He didn't.
Still have not figured out the subject line huh?
June 16, 2009 - 11:26 ET by JWFIt is called initials pinhead. Comedy goldmine joking about someone's initials, huh? And you wonder why they call you a pinhead.
Solid Solid Solid evidence there. Delsa made no such claim. Walk in to any court in the land and whip out your as if statement. Why I think you would revolutionise the way we do law in this country.
Your honor, it is not as if balboa has a tiny little head that can not contain a fully functioning brain, but in addition it as if Letterman has developed a rash from all of the butt kisses from the lips on that tiny pinlike head.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
So what did Delsa mean?
June 16, 2009 - 12:15 ET by balboaSo what did Delsa mean?
Ask Delsa
June 16, 2009 - 12:17 ET by CobraManYou should ask Delsa that question, correct?
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JWF seems to have all the
June 16, 2009 - 12:19 ET by balboaJWF seems to have all the answers.
As opposed to you?
June 16, 2009 - 12:24 ET by CobraManAs opposed to you, who seems to have the ability to divine what Letterman was thinking and who he "really" was referring to in his "joke?"
Bal, you're hypocrisy is glaringly obvious to everyone.
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JWF said I was wrong about
June 16, 2009 - 12:32 ET by balboaJWF said I was wrong about my interpretation of what Delsa posted. So WHY NOT ask JWF what Delsa meant?
I give Letterman the benefit of the doubt because he's never made a joke that could be interpreted in this way like this before that I can remember.
You can't be that dense
June 16, 2009 - 12:38 ET by CobraManYou cant be that dense, Bal. You complain that someone incorrectly interpreted a statement by someone else while, at the same time, interjecting your own interpretation of said poster's comment. That's called hypocrisy, Bal.
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Because, you neanderthal,
June 16, 2009 - 13:40 ET by MazziBecause, you neanderthal, that is not the point! It doesn't matter what she meant, you took it upon yourself to interpret her comment in a way that only you understood. Then you used your interpretation to chastise others for things that they did not say.
I doubt that you do this on purpose, although many lefties use the same strategy deliberately. I suspect that you really can't understand the difference, and that is why you are just pathetic, versus the ones who do it deliberately - who are sneaky and cunning.
And before you accuse us of doing the same with the whole Letterman "joke", keep in mind that we not only had the words he used, but the FACTS of the situation, as well as prior history to work with. You took an isolated comment from a person you don't know and formed your conclusion.
That is the difference between "informed opinion" and "gut reaction". And you really have to have more than a few dozen brain cells to distinguish the difference.
"I would rather be historically accurate than politically correct" ~ My husband's T-Shirt
Letterman Never....
June 16, 2009 - 13:52 ET by GeneralAlLetterman has nothing but venom for anyone not a member of the elite liberal world. He dissed Rush Limbaugh on his show years ago with the question "Did you ever think you are just full of gas?"
He knew very well what he was doing and he meant every bit of it! This is liberal hate speech! You guys get so giddy when you have power that you think the sky is the limit! Well, you leftist Commies just hit the ionospere and bounced off with this pornographic sleeze spewing from Sleeze Bag Dave!
Bal state your question and
June 16, 2009 - 12:32 ET by DelsaI'll answer it.
Thanks, Delsa. You said you
June 16, 2009 - 12:35 ET by balboaThanks, Delsa. You said you were offended as a "former slutty flight attendant. I took that to mean that you were offended because you thought Letterman was calling all flight attendants -- including you -- "slutty." Am I wrong?
Ok Bal let me see
June 16, 2009 - 12:54 ET by DelsaIf I remember correctly, letterman made fun of Palin stopping off somewhere to get a make over alluding to the fact that she came out looking like a "slutty flight attendant".
I used letterman's term in a sarcastic moment to say as an X Flight Attendant, I was offended.
He did not say "slutty" congresswoman? or "slutty" female cab driver?
He said flight attendant and it told me what he thinks about fligh attendants.
Extrapolate out to females in general as he feel very free to suggest being raped in the 7th inning of a ball game is funny.
Using his words, I said retired "slutty flight attendant".
Sarcasm pure and simple.
If Letterman had a particular "slutty flight attendant" in mind, he gave no clues.
In short, he was using the entire group/class of females.
I might suggest he may have included our male flight attendants as well but I think it was a narrow focus on WOMEN!
Well, you're extrapolating
June 16, 2009 - 13:24 ET by balboaWell, you're extrapolating way out there.
He has nothing against flight attendants. He's making fun of the way Palin dresses, which he characterized as like A slutty flight attendant, not "the slutty way ALL flight attendants dress."
HOW do you know how
June 16, 2009 - 13:49 ET by MazziHOW do you know how Letterman feels about flight attendants? He may or may not have anything against them, but you have no way of knowing that, do you? Maybe he despises them.
You really are that dense, aren't you? You really believe that YOU have some magic aura that allows you to know what other people mean, or how they feel? You can't see that you are projecting your own feelings into others? Because YOU personally have nothing against flight attendants, Letterman must not either.
I swear, you must keep Tylenol in business single-handedly. You are so stupid, you must walk around with a constant headache.
"I would rather be historically accurate than politically correct" ~ My husband's T-Shirt
"walk around with a constant headache"
June 16, 2009 - 15:19 ET by SickofLibsNo, Bal is simply a carrier. ;)
And don't forget stupid.
June 16, 2009 - 15:21 ET by balboaAnd don't forget stupid.
Bal, you may be many things,
June 16, 2009 - 15:46 ET by SickofLibsBal, you may be many things, but stupid is not one of them.
There, I said it.
Who's the extrapolator?
June 16, 2009 - 15:17 ET by SickofLibsIn what possible way does Palin dress anything like a flight attendant, slutty or otherwise?
Now, if he compared her to a "gentleman's escort" that would be different.
I think you're the one the extrapolating here. His demeaning comments on the appearance of blue collar women is pretty well documented.
Well-documented where? I
June 16, 2009 - 15:20 ET by balboaWell-documented where?
I guess Letterman thinks she sometimes dresses in clothes that are reminiscent of a flight attendant.
I'm not going to go dig for
June 16, 2009 - 15:56 ET by SickofLibsI'm not going to go dig for it, cause we've all seen it here a number of times lately.
The one that comes to mind first is where he makes fun of blue-collar women "looks like the woman who..."
Anybody want to jump in with a link here, feel free.
Ah.
June 16, 2009 - 16:05 ET by balboaAh.
Well, I think it's a well-known fact that Rush hates women, dogs, and the elderly. I'm not going to provide any links, but we've all seen it. :-)
"Over the past year,
June 17, 2009 - 12:20 ET by SickofLibs"Over the past year, Letterman has displayed his sexist, elitist stripes in jibe after jibe aimed at Palin. Taken cumulatively, Letterman's mockery is about much more than expressing contempt for the popular GOP governor. It's a handy device to deride a broad class of working-class and middle-class women he holds in contempt:
"You know, she reminds me, she looks like the flight attendant who won't give you a second can of Pepsi. No, you've had enough. We're landing. Looks like the waitress at the coffee shop who draws a little smiley face on your check. Have a nice day.""She looks like the dip sample lady at Safeway. She looks like the nurse who weighs you and then makes you sit alone in your underwear for 20 minutes. She looks like the Olive Garden hostess who says, 'I'm sorry, your table isn't ready yet.' She looks like the infomercial lady who says she made $64,000 a month flipping condos.""She looks like the lady at the bakery who yells out '44! 45!' She looks like a real estate agent whose picture you see on the bus stop bench. That's who she looks like. She looks like the lady who has a chain of cupcake stores."
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/06/12/dear_david_letterman_96959.html
Apparently, just the one's that dress like Palin
June 16, 2009 - 11:29 ET by CobraManMore lame excuses, Bal? How can you even make such a nonsensical excuse like "he wasn't talking about all the flight attendants?" Do you REALLY believe that ANY talk show host should be describing ANY flight attendant as "slutty?" Of course you don't. That's sexism display, is it not? Yet, this blatant display of sexism doesn't seem to bother you? Why is that? Could it be that the target of such insulting behavior is directed at a Republican?
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Unbelievable. You have just
June 16, 2009 - 11:31 ET by Mazzi..she was offended as a "former slutty flight attendant," as
if Letterman had accused ALL flight attendants of being slutty. He
didn't.
Unbelievable. You have just added unwritten content into another poster's words, to make it apply to what you THINK she meant, in order to chastise others for doing the same thing - which THEY did not do.
Don't you get it? You have just performed the ultimate hypocrisy in front of an audience and you have no clue.
This is why you are not a conservative. You just don't have the mental ability to see clearly.
"I would rather be historically accurate than politically correct" ~ My husband's T-Shirt
Mazzi
June 16, 2009 - 11:40 ET by Delsamaybe Bal thinks of me as a "former flight attendant" but still "slutty"? lol
Bal has no clue and you speak the truth as to the "mental ability" and I am thinking you mean, lack of "mental ability"?
Liberal Thought Process..
June 16, 2009 - 14:14 ET by GeneralAlThe liberal thought process is so programed as to think they have the ability to interpret speech. When it is one of their own, you don't pay attention to what they say only what they mean [Which changes from day to day if they're called upon it! Example, Nancy pelosi and the CIA Water boarding!] On the other hand, if a conservative says something controversial, you listen to what he said with no regard to what he meant! Example, Senator Trent Lott regarding Strom Thurmond and how things would have been different had he been elected President!
So the Prophet Balboa has interpreted Letterman as not talking about all flight attendants but just a few. He further states that Palinis fair game. On the other hand Obama is not! Since when do comedians waste their time on governors and not a sitting President? Only when the governor is a former VP candidate, born again Christian, female, conservative, and has a handicap child! Meanwhile, the President is black, liberal, Muslim?, and an elitist!
I've never said Obama was
June 16, 2009 - 14:20 ET by balboaI've never said Obama was off limits. Never. And comedians do "waste their time" on governors, all the time.
Shocker. Brent doesn't
June 16, 2009 - 10:27 ET by balboaShocker. Brent doesn't approve of Letterman's apology. I figured this would be the reaction of most. Letterman won't ever be able to win against Mr. Moral Outrage.
Shocker. Balboa does not understand the use of the subject line.
June 16, 2009 - 11:17 ET by JWFShocker. Balboa doesn't approve of Brent not approving of Letterman's apology. I figured that would be the reaction of an idiot. Letterman won't ever be able to keep his butt dry with Mr. Moon Kisser around.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Shocker
June 16, 2009 - 12:22 ET by CobraManShocker, Bal excuses the disgusting behavior of a liberal and feigns outrage when others object to that behavior, but only when said "others" are conservatives.
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balboa
June 16, 2009 - 15:48 ET by well99I heard it.There was nothing sincere about it.All he tried to do was justify his actions.The joke.Well Sara accepted it so that is good enough for me.I will say this seeing JasonC responses I lost any respect for him.He not worth posting to.There is right and wrong.What Letterman did was a cheap low rent attack on Sara thru her daughter.If someone had done that to Obama's daughters I would react the same way.That is the difference.Some people dont have two standards.
This was no apology.
June 16, 2009 - 10:28 ET by ThalpyThis was no apology. Letterman and his writers have a level of hatred and contempt for Governor Palin so deep that a proper apology becomes impossible. Letterman just keeps digging.
apology?
June 16, 2009 - 10:47 ET by iveseenitall" You know, sometimes we say things we sincerely regret later on. We would like to take it back, but we can't. This was one of those times. I'm sorry, Governor. I was wrong. I apologize to you and your family".
That's what the old pig should have said. But it would take a man to do so, not an adolescent in a man's body.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Come on, Ives
June 16, 2009 - 11:01 ET by BlondeIt was an apology...a liberal apology. You know, the kind where they say "I'm sorry of anyone was offended or misunderstood what I said". Thereby removing responsibility from the person who uttered the stupidity (in this case Letterman) and placing it on the person who had the gall to be offended (us).
Typical. Remember Brian the Dolt Williams' semi-apology because he had been "agressively misunderstood" for equating U.S. Special Forces operators to terrorists?
The liberal apology is a weasely-phrased statement, an attempt to absolve the miscreant in his/her own mind, while attempting to placate those who were (mistakenly) offended.
I hope that cleared things up for you. :)
I hope he fails, too.
He took full responsibility
June 16, 2009 - 11:10 ET by balboaHe took full responsibility for the misunderstanding.
There was no
June 16, 2009 - 11:35 ET by MazziThere was no misunderstanding. Letterman meant to say it, and intended it to mean what it did. His "apology" proves it. he's just sorry that he is in trouble for it now.
"I would rather be historically accurate than politically correct" ~ My husband's T-Shirt
Balboa
June 16, 2009 - 11:36 ET by iveseenitall"Misunderstanding" ??? Unbelievable!
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Letterman's avoiding responsibility, not accepting it
June 16, 2009 - 11:37 ET by CobraManHe didn't take responsibility for his vulgar insult of a Governor AND her daughter on nation television. So, guess what, he's not accepting responsibility like you claim, he's AVOIDING responsibility all together. He's trying to DEFLECT that responsibility on his viewing audience by implying that they didn't "understand' his insult.
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No he didn't.
June 16, 2009 - 11:44 ET by WhoIsJohnGaltHe took responsibility for his joke not working. Nowhere in what he said did he express regret for the sentiment that he put forth.
And the weasel excuse that it was the older daughter that he aimed at is BS. Anyone who knew she was in NY enough to write a joke about it knew which girl it was.
OMO...that's lame even for YOU
June 16, 2009 - 12:15 ET by Blonde"Misunderstanding"? There was no misunderstanding...only mean and vulgar insults aimed at a woman and her children.
How typical of you, as a liberal, to attempt to soften and deflect the vicious nature of his original "joke" and then his sorry-ass excuse for an apology, and then his latest stab at a non-apology.
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, here is the proof, liberals are idiots.
I hope he fails, too.
You know what I mean, but as
June 16, 2009 - 12:18 ET by balboaYou know what I mean, but as usual, you'd rather attack me.
We know what you mean
June 16, 2009 - 12:34 ET by CobraManWe know what you mean, Bal. You mean that, since Letterman apologized for the "joke" not being "understood" correctly, that he's sorry for confusing people as to the intended recipient of said "knocked up" reference, he's exonerated himself. We know that you mean that, since Letterman "meant' to reference the older sister and not the minor, we should just all forgive and forget.
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Partially correct. He took
June 16, 2009 - 12:45 ET by balboaPartially correct. He took full responsibility for the joke being misunderstood. He said it wasn't intended the way people had taken it, and that that was HIS fault, not anyone else's.
Did he explain how it WAS
June 16, 2009 - 16:05 ET by motherbeltDid he explain how it WAS intended???
No, because there is NO explanation!
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
I have no clue what you mean
June 16, 2009 - 12:35 ET by BlondeWhy don't you actually type what you mean instead of these snarky little "statements" of yours. You know, take a little personal responsibility instead of trying to mischaractarize it as I've purposefully misunderstood you! As if.
Sheesh, bloody liberals just can't help themselves.
You are the one who charactarized Letterman's stupid joke as a "misunderstanding", not I. Defend that....you can't, so instead you whine that I'm attacking you. Why don't you just own your inanity, instead of whining about it?
I hope he fails, too.
If Anyone Believes....
June 16, 2009 - 14:19 ET by GeneralAlIf anyone believes this clown, I have ocean front property in Arizona to sell you! He claims he thought it was Bristol, and yet the news had specified that it was the younger daughter! This goon got caught with his pants down! He spent all this time trying to Clintonize his way out of this mess!
Oops, you broke that straw
June 16, 2009 - 12:26 ET by SickofLibsSo here's a fresh new one:
(::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::)
The truth is that
June 16, 2009 - 10:39 ET by robert108The truth is that Letterman's comments about Sarah and her family were never intended to be a "joke"; he was simply doing what the fear-based lefties have been doing since Sarah was nominated for VP: lying smear. The fact that he offered anything resembling an "apology" is only due to the blowback he has received. In his hermetically-sealed leftie world, he was just reciting the standard talking points, but the American public obviously disagrees. He's not sorry, he's just being cautious.
Robert108:
June 16, 2009 - 10:49 ET by iveseenitallYou've hit the nail on the head!
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
@ Balboa, JasonC, Say
June 16, 2009 - 10:53 ET by Doc_Navy@ Balboa, JasonC,
Say what you want... Letterman's joke was COMPLETELY indefensible. There IS nothing that can mitigate it other than a ~sincear~ apology and that's it.
the defenses of :
A. He meant Bristol, not Willow.
This defense is obliterated by two things... 1. It was Willow who was in attendence with Sarah at the baseball game, not Bristol... and 2. How does adding a couple of years to the age of the girl change ANYTHING. It's still a crude joke about illigitimate sex between a teenager and a 30+ year old man. Period.
B. It;s just a joke. Letterman is a comedian.
This defense is wiped out by asking this question:
"If the joke hade been about Michelle Obama and her daughter Malia... would you still be saying the same thing?"
Brent is Brent... Sarah is Sarah. Letterman is Letterman. All of them are allowed to express their opinion and take the consequenses.
Doc
"ALL SLUTTY FLIGHT ATTENDANTS"
June 16, 2009 - 10:55 ET by Delsathe "slutty flight attendant look" had no qualifiers attached!
And I don't care how old a daughter is, SHE DOES NOT DESERVE TO BE RAPED AS LETTERMAN SUGGESTS!
It is only the age that turns the joke around?
Make sure you know where your mother is during the 7th inning at a NY Y game!
Strange you should think rape or the suggestion of rape is alright as long as the woman is 18 or older!
Sorry! YOU and those who think as you do, ARE WRONG!!
By the way, the way a woman looks, is subjective and in the eye of the beholder! Letterman sees Flight Attendants as "slutty" and so stated!
In an emergency, HE will be on HIS OWN!
Don't worry, we will save his child!
Who said anything about
June 16, 2009 - 13:20 ET by JasonCWho said anything about rape?
Jason are you for real?
June 16, 2009 - 13:30 ET by DelsaHis term was "knocked up" and the term is pretty rough.
He didn't say, made love to by A Rod during the 7th inning........
Then again depending on the man, maybe "knocked up" is making love?
In no way does "knocked up"
June 16, 2009 - 13:40 ET by balboaIn no way does "knocked up" equate to rape. No way, no how.
Knocked up is simply crude
June 16, 2009 - 13:43 ET by JasonCKnocked up is simply crude slang for pregnancy. It has nothing to do with consent whatsoever.
The good guys won...
June 16, 2009 - 11:14 ET by jdripperSarah Palin and the good guys won that is all that counts. This should give pause to the loons on the left for awhile.
Jack
"If at age 20 you are a conservative then you have no heart. If at age 30 you are a liberal then you have no brains." Sir Winston Churchill
No apology for Dave’s attitude toward women
June 16, 2009 - 11:15 ET by needleDave Letterman’s “apology” is more of a wordy explanation than a fulsome and unequivocal apology; but this is probably the best he can do.
I guess Letterman is going to get a pass as far as his slutty reference to “slutty flight attendants” is concerned, or at least so long as he flies by private jet!
Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.
Late-night "comedy"
June 16, 2009 - 11:16 ET by iveseenitallMany years ago this now old conservative railed when "comedy' turned from fun and slap-stick to vicious personal attacks, aimed at hurting someone. SNL was problematic, I said. Of couse, the "liberals" didn't care, and now it's come to this-- a hate-filled, divided nation which may never recover. And the "liberal" MSM deserves much of the blame. Sad.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
It's the way the left operates
June 16, 2009 - 11:25 ET by metaphorsbwithuWhen liberals screw up, it's always:
"I didn't get much sleep last night"
"I was misunderstood"
"I didn't know"
"It was someone else's fault"
"If I've offended anyone"
Etc., etc., etc.
Don Imus issued an unequivocal unconditional and heartfelt apology and asked for forgiveness for his tasteless "joke".
People like Letterman follow the leftist playbook of mixing half-truths and lies with the truth. They leak out the facts drop by drop and get by (they hope) by eventually exhausting their critics or making it look like they themselves are the victims (think the Obama/Wright episode last year).
For Gov. Palin to have done anything but "accept" his "apology" would have made her look like the bad guy.
metaphorsbwithu
BAL
June 16, 2009 - 11:31 ET by DelsaRemember, "nappy headed hoe"?
That was a broad brush stroke. I am sure not "all" the black women on a basketball team are nappy headed hoes.
It was a broad brush comment none the less. "slutty Flight Attendants" is a broad brush stroke and says more about the man uttering the comment than it does the group being disparaged!
You just don't get it!
Letterman is a joke and an aging pervert
June 16, 2009 - 11:36 ET by Blogger Guy00001This aging pervert used the word joke several times in his false apology. He wants us to think that it's a joke. It's no joke. It was meant to be a bitter, biting, mean-spirited knife in the back to the Palin family. He knew that the dysfunctional minds of his left-leaning audience would enjoy the thought of great harm coming to a Republican.
Laughing at the harm that befalls someone else is perverted and wrong, but seems to be a way of life for leftists.
Trent Lott
June 16, 2009 - 11:45 ET by iveseenitallThey rode Tent Lott out of town for telling a "joke" at a private party. This pig insults all women on national T.V. and the "liberals" give him a pass.
BTW, you know who is strangely silent here? A Rod.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
duplicate in wrong location.
June 16, 2009 - 11:39 ET by JWF---
Always leave them wanting more.
June 16, 2009 - 12:09 ET by maggieqpublicIf P.T. Barnum was right, Letterman should have retired years ago. And I think he knows it… Dave just seems kind of mean, miserable, pathetic.
It’s silly to expect a sincere apology from a man who makes a living expressing his animus toward conservatives. (Don’t we all just love comedians who are haters instead of humorists.)
OBAMA'S APOLOGY COMPLETELY INSUFFICIENT
June 16, 2009 - 12:47 ET by TufrmoneLETTERMAN'S INSUFFICIENT APOLOGYJune 16, 2009 - 04:50 ET by Tufrmone
Frankly I don't get Letterman's apology, let alone the joke in question or the constant stream of ugly jokes he's been continually making about Palin and her family.
Assuming one accepts his apology at face value, he only apologized for being misunderstood about a 14 year old girl while he what he really meant to say that Palin's 18 year old daughter would have sex with a Baseball celebrity or anyone at all, at a baseball, game apparently because she's had baby without being married. Then made some reference to her and Elliot Spitzer basically calling her a prostitute because she's an unwed mother.
Well Letterman himself had a child without being married and so did a whole lot of other alleged celebritieswho are way to numerous to list. But according to him its acceptable to single this girl out for ridicule? Why? Because she went to a baseball game in NYC?
Would it be acceptable to Letterman if other "topical comedians" said the same about his girlfriend?
He joked that Palin came to New York to update her "slutty" flight attendant look. Why is claiming flight attendants look like sluts in the first place acceptable humor?
A recent Michelle Malkin Column listed the following "jokes" that he's said about Palin and her family over the past year or so. They included the following:
“You know, she reminds me, she looks like the flight attendant who won’t give you a second can of Pepsi. No, you’ve had enough. We’re landing.
Looks like the waitress at the coffee shop who draws a little smiley face on your check. Have a nice day.”
“She looks like the dip sample lady at Safeway.
She looks like the nurse who weighs you and then makes you sit alone in your underwear for 20 minutes.
She looks like the Olive Garden hostess who says, ‘I’m sorry, your table isn’t ready yet.”
She looks like infomercial lady who says she made $64,000 a month flipping condos.”
“[S]he looks like the lady at the bakery who yells out ‘44! 45!’
She looks like a real estate agent whose picture you see on the bus stop bench. That’s who she looks like. She looks like the lady who has a chain of cupcake stores…”
What's all this about - how is it funny? What exactly is wrong with middle class women who work at these kinds of jobs and where is the humor at either poking fun at them or at Palin? Where does he get the nerve to do that?
To me, he continually comes off as an elitist punk who wouldn't say anything like this if the woman's husband was in the audience because he'd get back handed a good one and would deserve it.
Personally I think he's a jerk who ought to be suspended, not fired so he can feel a little bit of the public humiliation he's so quick to hand out to people who really do work hard for living, and who can't defend themselves against smart mouthed punks like him.
Tufr
Tufr
Where does he get the nerve?
June 16, 2009 - 13:08 ET by balboaWhere does he get the nerve? Are you saying you're not allowed to make fun of Palin at all? His job is making fun of people, to a large degree. And you've conveniently left out the fact that he's done this bit with TONS of different people, from Ahmadinejad to Regis to Biden and on and on.
OMG, Ahmadinejad, Bal???
June 16, 2009 - 13:36 ET by SickofLibsHow the H is mocking Ahmadinejad remotely comparable in this discussion?
(And I knew Biden was a dope, but he's a slut, too?)
I'm just pointing out that
June 16, 2009 - 13:38 ET by balboaI'm just pointing out that the bit "She/he looks like the woman/man that..." is not something reserved only for Palin. It's been done with people from all stripes.
Now if I could just figure
June 16, 2009 - 13:44 ET by SickofLibsNow if I could just figure out what stereotype I fit into, I'd be at peace with myself.
If you'd be willing to
June 16, 2009 - 13:48 ET by balboaIf you'd be willing to supply a photo of yourself, I'm sure we could help you out. :-)
I'm often mistaken for Brad
June 16, 2009 - 13:52 ET by SickofLibsI'm often mistaken for Brad Pitt, if that's any help.
SickofLibs looks like
June 16, 2009 - 14:00 ET by balboaSickofLibs looks like the...the, um...the guy that the girls all drool over. (That didn't work at all)
Not THAT Brad Pitt... ...the
June 16, 2009 - 14:06 ET by SickofLibsNot THAT Brad Pitt...
...the doofey one at my lumberyard that runs the crosscut saw.
OH! OK. SickofLibs looks
June 16, 2009 - 14:18 ET by balboaOH! OK. SickofLibs looks like that guy at the lumberyard that runs the crosscut saw.
What?????????????????????????
June 16, 2009 - 14:31 ET by GeneralAl"from Ahmadinejad to Regis to Biden".... What kind of crap is this? You're comparing Palin to Ahmadinejad? I don't care for Obama's politics but I'd never go there! You guys are going to get you liberal butts kicked in 2010! You are turning off even Democrats with your hate speech! I'd personally like the opportunity to punch your lights out. I'll pay for your ticket to Chicago for the privilege!!
You're comparing Palin to
June 16, 2009 - 14:33 ET by balboaYou're comparing Palin to Ahmadinejad?
No, I'm not.
why no jokes about Al Gore's son?
June 16, 2009 - 13:42 ET by niner-four-whiskeyFrom the Letterman "apology" we can conclude that it is perfectly acceptable to go after a politician's kids, as long as they're 18 or older. See, that's humor!
So where are all the jokes about Al Gore's now 26 year old son who's been busted at least twice on drugs as an adult?
"Al Gore explained global warming to his son while waiting in the back of the police car. His response was, 'Cool, man!'"
See, just freakin' hilarious ain't it?
Now you owe Algore's son an
June 16, 2009 - 14:42 ET by ThisnThatNow you owe Algore's son an apology. Don't have the time? Fine. I'll write one for you -- just sign it, please.
You can simply e-mail this to algore's son; and pay me later. Glad to be of service.
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Liberals constantly demand that we accept a glaring falsehood as truth; Obama's elimination of the word "terror" will make terrorist acts less terrifying
Cruddiness is not something I am used to
June 16, 2009 - 13:53 ET by Delsa"Knocked up" does not connote a loving situation.
My sons aren't crude toward women and I am greateful.
They have escaped the crass mindset you on the left wallow in!
Thank God!
I've always preferred "bun
June 16, 2009 - 14:08 ET by SickofLibsI've always preferred "bun in the oven"...
kind of warm and homeylike
Sol ...me too. "With
June 16, 2009 - 14:18 ET by bigtimerSol ...me too.
"With Child" works too.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
BT:
June 16, 2009 - 16:00 ET by SickofLibsAnd the British "preggers" is probably the least offensive.
Happy, happy, joy, joy.
SoL... True.
June 16, 2009 - 16:05 ET by bigtimerSoL...
True. ;-)
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Hey Delsa
June 16, 2009 - 14:37 ET by GeneralAlThese are the people who made fun of GWB's pronounciation of the word nuclear yet use gutter speak in their comedy. Before long, the F Bomb will be part of their stand up routine. In England, knock up means to wake up in the morning by knocking on your door, hence the expression, "Come by in the morning and knock me up!"
GeneralAl
June 17, 2009 - 00:35 ET by DelsaThe English I understand!
I used to fly to England quite a bit.
Your comment makes me long for proper English!
By the way, the effort is
June 16, 2009 - 14:35 ET by MazziBy the way, the effort is still on to make Letterman take the same punishment that the left has deemed appropriate for this infraction (a'la Imus). Go to:
Firedavidletterman.com
for more information. Pass it around.They made the rule, lets make them stand behind it.
"I would rather be historically accurate than politically correct" ~ My husband's T-Shirt
No understanding
June 16, 2009 - 14:46 ET by Edward CropperLetterman doesn't get it. He has no real understanding what he is trying to cover up. He didn't apologize he brought forth a justification.
Check my blog for a photo-shop essay on the Letterman- Palin saga.
Little Difference between Islamic and Liberal hatred for women
June 16, 2009 - 15:49 ET by Retired GeekI see Little Difference between the Islamic hatred for women and Liberal hatred for women.
I suppose the main difference is, that the Islamists want their women covered from head to toe in Burkha's and Liberals want their women naked.
Their goals are the same, neither Islamists nor Liberals want women to have any dignity or self respect.
Liberal women are like the Islamic women who help stone a woman to death for a slight infraction of rules or mutilate the genitals of little girls.
The commonality between Liberals and Islamists is the 'Fear' of the power that women hold in 'Influence'.
Even the most casual observer of human nature, can see that the male is oriented (or has a tendency) towards decision making and the female is oriented towards influencing those decisions.
Humans tend to 'Bristle' at my observation, assuming that I mean that females are incapable of making decisions or males are incapable of influence - that couldn't be further from the truth.
Males are more tribal (or team oriented) by nature because of the need for defense of the home, whereas females are more home oriented, because of the need to provide an environment for nurture.
Without the bonding of the male and female, the entire 'Construct' of the family is one of dysfunction.
The 'natural role' of a woman is very difficult - mother, nurturer, wife - many females 'bristle' at that role and wish to be something else, other than what they are.
The 'natural role' of a man is very difficult - father, provider, protector - many males 'bristle' at that role and wish to be something else, other than what they are.
Liberal males and Liberal females are dissatisfied with their natural roles and want their identities based on something other than who and what they are by nature.
by george I've got
June 16, 2009 - 19:29 ET by kangarooby george I've got it, Letterbearmanpig, hotair,(Co2) that has to be done away with to save the bloody planet, thanks south park :)