For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: We're out of money!
STEVE SCULLY, C-SPAN: You know the numbers, $1.7 trillion debt, a national deficit of $11 trillion. At what point do we run out of money?
PRESIDENT OBAMA: Well, we are out of money now. We are operating in deep deficits, not caused by any decisions we've made on health care so far. This is a consequence of the crisis that we've seen and in fact our failure to make some good decisions on health care over the last several decades.
So, we're in the current condition because of health care? And we're out of money BUT should start a new entitlement program? Finally, Medicare and Medicaid are in financial trouble, but these problems will go away with a new entitlement program? Huh?



















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Because I came across it a
May 24, 2009 - 10:06 ET by Lord ElicaniBecause I came across it a few days ago, some words of wisdom:
"A Rendevous With Destiny" - R. W. Reagan, 10/27/64
"And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears
fought are still at issue around the globe – the belief that the rights
of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of
God."
- John F. Kennedy
Thanks
May 24, 2009 - 11:36 ET by kilrodThanks for the post of the Reagan speech, sent chills up my spine and brought tears to my eyes. It speaks so strongly to what we face today. Somehow, someway, we have to beat the O-hole and the socialist/communist bastards.
kilrod
Remember, only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier
You're welcome. I'm a
May 24, 2009 - 12:02 ET by Lord ElicaniYou're welcome. I'm a history/poli sci minor and have spent the last few days going over th speeches of Kennedy and Reagan. No real reason, just that they're amazing - and when you study the words and everything, Kennedy almost starts to sound like today's Republicans. I think that says a lot about the politics of the late sixties and seventies.
"And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears
fought are still at issue around the globe – the belief that the rights
of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of
God."
- John F. Kennedy
Kennedy almost starts to
May 25, 2009 - 08:48 ET by BigSky1970Kennedy almost starts to sound like today's Republicans.
Now you know why Democrats don't quote Kennedy these days.
WOO HOO! WE'RE BROKE!!!
May 24, 2009 - 10:08 ET by P.J. GladnickObama: WOO HOO! We're broke so let us continue doing what we've been doing.
let's spend our way out of debt
May 24, 2009 - 10:18 ET by botgand blame Bush
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
He will blame Bush for
May 24, 2009 - 11:49 ET by ThisnThatHe will blame Bush for everything till the end of time. He's blaming Bush now "for getting us into the mess". Every Obama speech includes the phrase "the past 8 years". Nothing happened prior to 8 years ago -- and the cleanup began when God took office 20 Jan 2009.
Obama will also blame Bush when obama's "fixes" fail. He will tell us that the fix didn't work because he didn't realize how deep the Bush failures were. Just wait, you'll see.
Obama is 10% into his administration. What has he done for the country since he began? Oh yeah: he killed two car companies, added trillions to our debt, pissed off our allies, and coddled our enemies. Can't wait for the next 90%.
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The challenge is to follow a consistent plan despite inconsistent prices - Sarah Palin, State of the State of Alaska speech
Anyone that disagrees with
May 25, 2009 - 08:15 ET by nadadhimmiAnyone that disagrees with Obama is a RACIST pure and simple. What other reason could someone have to disagree with the savior? Pepeat after me: Yes we can, yes we can, yes we can, yes we can, and then everything will be all better.
Note that he blames
May 24, 2009 - 10:21 ET by Lord ElicaniNote that he blames everyone but himself and his administration.
"And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears
fought are still at issue around the globe – the belief that the rights
of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of
God."
- John F. Kennedy
How can the Govt be broke??
May 25, 2009 - 08:03 ET by nadadhimmiHow can the Govt be broke?? all it has to do is print more money!!. Print it by the quadrillions, Trillions are old fashioned now, we'll have all we need. Everyone could be an instant Billionare. We'll all be like Bill Gates. What harm could possibly come of THAT? I WANNA BE A BILLIONARE TOO, BARAK. YOU OWE ME THAT BROTHER!!..............
Re CSPAN
May 24, 2009 - 10:18 ET by slickwillie2001I hope that the Bamster's words are discussed outside the conservative blogosphere, because his statement is so bizarre, almost Bidenian. The statement that we are out of money is shocking enough, but to blame our problems on a lack of action in the past on health care?
Scully deserves a nod for asking better questions than the Bamster gernerally gets, and for drilling down once he senses there's something there. This is another illustration of how lost the Bamster can be without his Binky. Let's hope this gets to the networks and newspapers in spite of the long weekend.
There are many other excellent discussions of the Bamster's interview in the blogosphere; here's just one: Obama Blames 7 Straw Men for Being Out of Money: http://www.americanthinker.com
Sounbd like anyone
May 24, 2009 - 12:39 ET by StarAZJust drop health care into every sentence and let people "associate" it--sort of like 9/11 Iraq, 9/11 Iraq...think what you will...
Shuttle
May 24, 2009 - 10:35 ET by slickwillie2001Atlantis in re-entry, landing at Edwards, CA, expected 10:39 ET.
True we may be broke,
May 24, 2009 - 10:51 ET by BlazerTrue we may be broke, but don't worry, Obama will just whip out his Platinum MessiahCard the Chinese gave him.
What's in your wallet ?
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
He's preparing a healthcare PR campaign
May 24, 2009 - 10:56 ET by KC MulvilleWell, he's telegraphing his punches, isn't he?
He's trying to persuade the public that the solution to all problems will be healthcare reform. Which, of course, means that he wants a blank check from the American public to "fix" healthcare, and therefore solve all problems. Do you want to make America a paradise? Just allow Uncle Barack to do whatever he wants.
These guys aren't subtle.
Yeah, right...the way back
May 24, 2009 - 12:25 ET by motherbeltYeah, right...the way back to prosperity is through nationalized health care.
This guy has been drinking his own Kool-Aid, and is starting to believe his own hype!
And he has some pals in Congress who also have strange ideas about what kind of stimulus the economy needs....
That's right
More vacation will stimulate the economy through fewer sick days, better productivity and happier employees.
And just like the incrementalism of the "unpaid family leave" measure, this one will progress next year to requiring two weeks paid vacation.
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
We know Obama is mad,
May 24, 2009 - 13:33 ET by stratmanWe know Obama is mad, trying to enact Socialized Healthcare on a Nation so raked with debt, implying and/or stating that the way out of debt is through more debt. Obama's pitch is as blatantly incongruent as the sign above the gates of Auschwitz:
The great Liberal social programs Medicare and Social Security are running out of money fast. The two biggest reasons in my opinion are the programs are doing more than originally intended (particularly Mediciace) and there are more people involved than originally conceived - not just in bare numbers (eg the Boomer generation) but also the enhanced longevity of Americans overall.
So, the answer per Obama is to enlargen social programs. Yes, great job the politicians have done with the programs available already. The new one(s) will be even better! Idiots.
Now we have a damn fool Florida Democrat Representative who wants to federally mandate paid vacations. What happened to "private" as in "private sector" businesses? This is more creeping Big Government until they own the whole enchilada ala Chrysler. How appropriate he came up with this harebrained idea inside Disney World, otherwise I would have thought him either potted on alcohol or drugs.
The Fla. Dem's idea is an example of incrementalism the Left of Center plays. Obama's idea is a jump off a cliff type of whopper.
IIRC, there was no sequel to Paul Newman and Robert Redford's Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid because they died after jumping from the cliff. OK. That is pure speculation on my part. We all know Hollywood would have made a sequel if they could but the actors never got on board. The point, though, is in the real world, the boys would have died in the fall. Much the same as Herr Obama demands we do by his bidding.
I don't know if PT Barnum would be in awe or anger with Obama, but, I think PT would recognize the fact that Obama is counting on Americans to be suckers for a slick pitch.
Obama sending American
May 24, 2009 - 10:57 ET by BlazerObama sending American torture jobs overseas.
http://www.stoptheac...
Ya, see torture and extraordinary renditions are totally o.k. with Democrats as long as we aren't the ones doing it.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
A bit off subject
May 24, 2009 - 11:49 ET by ricklailI don't know how many of you are watching the pre-race coverage at Indy. I for one have had enough Danica to do me for the rest of the day. She has done nothing to prove herself. Yeah she won one IRL race but that was over fuel mileage. I am sick of Brett too. (Where is Dan Fouts when you need him ala The Waterboy)
There is one thing for sure. We won't have to be treated to this Danica crap when the World 600 pre-race show in on. Indy has the name but the World 600 is the RACE on Memorial Weekend.
Semper suprene nitens
Nope, I'm spendin' the day
May 24, 2009 - 12:24 ET by Lord ElicaniNope, I'm spendin' the day doing what I do every weekend: Baseball.
"And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears
fought are still at issue around the globe – the belief that the rights
of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of
God."
- John F. Kennedy
An OT topic off-subject?
May 24, 2009 - 12:29 ET by ThisnThatHow could that be?
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The challenge is to follow a consistent plan despite inconsistent prices - Sarah Palin, State of the State of Alaska speech
Good heavens
May 24, 2009 - 12:50 ET by bobwhiteThere is something seriously wrong with that man!
Obama is fear mongering - to sell his health reform disaster
May 24, 2009 - 13:26 ET by Gary HallObama is using this tactic of fear mongering to push one agenda after another; health reform, closing Gitmo ("emboldening our enemies), etc. The current crisis is caused by a myriad of long term and shorter term policy issues - including a hangover from the dot.com bubble crash, and the Obama supported Clintonesque/Cuomo HUD policy of lowering lending standards and targeting tens of millions of lower income families by ordering Fannie/Freddie to guaranteed $trillions in guaranteed loans - and that was the feeder for creating the housing bubble crisis. Say you're sorry Pres. Obama.
Exactly - Hey, we're out of money - so let's spend another quick $trillion. The press should ask Sixth graders - somehow, I think they'd make more sense out of what to do.
Raises a good question, here. Has Obama proposed any policy here which will not only improve the quality of the limited health plan, called Medicare, and to lower the cost of Medicare (not to mention Medicaid)? If we're in deep financial trouble becasue we are spending too much money on these lousy government health plans, how is spending more money on government health plans going to promote sudden solvency?
Here in CA, Medical (CA's Medicaid), pays assigned doctors $26 for an office visit. Private insurance, like a Blue Cross PPO plan, pays doctors something like an average of $75+ for an office visit. Medicare's compensation for doctors is about the same as Medicaid. Medicare and Medicaid is an utterly inferior product compared to the private health insurance plans - and, the M's are not cheaper.
A note: If Medicare is so damn good, as the D's and the MSM likes to proclaim, then why for years have seniors been buying up private Medi-gap (suppliment) plans to cover all that which is not covered by Medicare? The problem is the government.
So - why are we not marching on Washington? If they ever do pull this off, other than having health care rationed, one can assume that the govenment will have to deeply slash what doctors and nurses are paid. Immediately thereafter, the quality of healthcare will be slashed.
(;~/ gary
Gary: Some excellent
May 24, 2009 - 13:51 ET by stratmanGary:
Some excellent points!
You might enjoy Blonde's thread - Health Care: To Reform a la Socialists, or WTH?
stratman..
May 24, 2009 - 14:18 ET by Gary HallThanks. I've noted it, and will come back to it later today.. duties call in the meantime. (;~> gary
Politicians and Medicare and Social Security
May 24, 2009 - 17:19 ET by Kingfish17All federal politicians should have all of their healthcare taken care of solely through medicare as long as they are in office. All federal politicians should have all of their retirement solely through Social Security. (If they want private IRAs that's fine. But not healthcare. Healthcare through Medicare Doctors only.)
"I've sentenced boys younger then you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it, but I felt I owed it to them." Judge Smails
Private Ins co's are the
May 25, 2009 - 08:26 ET by nadadhimmiPrivate Ins co's are the problem. Their payouts have decreased dramatically over the last 3 yrs, while their premiums have skyrocketed. The overage my friends is called EXCESSIVE PROFIT. They then hide the profit in their "Contingency Funds", in which they can use it any way they please but DO NOT have to declare it as profit, it's essentially off the books. They can make billions, hide it in contingency funds and declare a loss. Then get hundreds of billions in bailout from the polititicians they bribe. And the M's are a joke. This whole Insurance Co mess started after Hurricane Katrina and their running up and then shorting oil prices to pay for the Katrina claims. They were the "speculators" peopl were speaking off. Yes, they should be shot!
New Prolife Ad
May 24, 2009 - 13:55 ET by slickwillie2001The second video in the CatholicVote prolife series of ads is up. (The first was the Obama-not-aborted ad.)
Cursed
May 24, 2009 - 14:49 ET by slickwillie2001America appears to be cursed by this wretched family.
RFK's Son (Chris) Plans to Run for Obama's Senate Seat: http://www.weaselzippers.net
OT:
May 24, 2009 - 15:49 ET by dervishI see on Drudge that Madame Speaker has suddenly appeared in Shanghai for a global warming conference.
For some reason I'm reminded of the scene in "Animal House" -- when things look their worst, "Road trip!"
"My advice is to start
May 24, 2009 - 15:54 ET by Lord Elicani"My advice is to start drinking heavily."
"Better listen to him, Flounder, he's in pre-med."
"And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears
fought are still at issue around the globe – the belief that the rights
of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of
God."
- John F. Kennedy
A national deficit of $11 trillion?
May 24, 2009 - 16:21 ET by needle"STEVE SCULLY, C-SPAN: You know the numbers, $1.7 trillion debt, a national deficit of $11 trillion. At what point do we run out of money?"
Excuse me, Scully, but do you understand the difference between the deficit and the national debt?
PS: NB: Obama doesn't seem to notice the difference either.
Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.
This guy really is more
May 24, 2009 - 17:31 ET by SvenThis guy really is more stupid than he looks!
He's too dumb to see that he's a about to place the last straw on the camels back! I smell revolution brewing!
Tom Ridge v. Rush
May 24, 2009 - 18:32 ET by balboaAnyone see Ridge being critical of Limbaugh?
Anyone see Ridge being
May 24, 2009 - 18:43 ET by BlazerAnyone see Ridge being critical of Limbaugh?
Who gives a crap. Ridge used to be PA's Rino bookend to the feckless Specter.
Santorum ? Now there's a man.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
I figured that's what you'd
May 24, 2009 - 18:57 ET by balboaI figured that's what you'd say. I need a checklist of "RINOs" and "real" Republicans.
boa... Yeah I saw
May 24, 2009 - 18:49 ET by bigtimerboa...
Yeah I saw it...typical RINO trying his best to walk both sides of the aisle during most of the segment, regarding the subject...just another smooth talker.
I, for one, am glad he is out of the race against Toomey.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
"Well we are out of money now" RNC commercial please
May 24, 2009 - 19:09 ET by Daniel BakerCan we just replay this clip over and over on TV
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Liberal judges are the high priests of redefined marriage. Good men want freedom, Evil men want license
→ Pelosi in China
May 24, 2009 - 19:49 ET by Cool ArrowSan Fran Nan is in China, doubtless apologizing to them for our lack of stewardship of the Earth's resources.
Before she leaves, she'll have the Dalai Lama perp-walked before Hu Jintao for water torture.
Guess she better offer up
May 24, 2009 - 20:02 ET by BlazerGuess she better offer up Taiwan too as collatteral. How else can we possibly be financing this trainwreck at this point?
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Of course as she's telling
May 24, 2009 - 20:03 ET by bigtimerOf course as she's telling others what to do when it comes to Human Rights she neglects her own BS when it comes to her and her husbands business in American Somao...nothing like her leading the way to exclude minimum wage increase for their workers...as she makes sure it is here...and acts as if she has moved the world.
Phony witch...and the msm remains mum...
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Ahhh yes bt, i forgot
May 24, 2009 - 20:08 ET by BlazerAhhh yes bt, i forgot about that lil' nugget.Next time you open up a can of tuna, just pretend your opening up a can of Pelosi instead.
They'll both smell the same.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Well...since I worked in a
May 24, 2009 - 20:12 ET by bigtimerWell...since I worked in a cannery once in Alaska...I don't open those cans of any kind of sea-food.
Got your drift though... ;-)
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
→ Ironic bigtimer
May 24, 2009 - 20:11 ET by Cool ArrowSeems Chicken of the Sea is laying off workers as a result of the Democrat minimum wage mandate which the Republicans forced her to follow to the letter.
Nancy hasn't bothered to explain why that Bill has forced layoffs in that little economic microcosm, and why a similar phenomenon would not necessarily occur here.
Hola Fellow NB'ers
May 24, 2009 - 20:58 ET by BlondeI'm in Costa Rica....enjoying the sights and most of all the plants....at home in Florida we call it landscaping!
It is gorgeous here, but I do miss your company. (Not the politics, though....that's the one thing I've figured out....media bias and politics raise my blood pressure waaaay too much).
Anyway, I'll be here for a bit, internet is spotty....but hola, mi amigos!
I hope he fails, too.
bon nuit blonde
May 24, 2009 - 21:01 ET by botghow are the stars?
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
Ha botg...nonexistant
May 24, 2009 - 21:12 ET by BlondeIt's kind of the rainy season here, but it is beautiful!
It would be even better if the electricity would come back on! But seriously....awesome!
We went to the pre-Columbian gold museum in San Jose (the capital) last week. Unreal. Zoo, same. The food is too amazing to describe, similar to Cuban, but not as much garlic/onions and much "brighter" with lots of cilantro. Yum.
The roads are not bad at all, but the rental car is kinda tiny...4WD, so they say, LOL. Catcha lata, B!
I hope he fails, too.
good deal Blonde
May 24, 2009 - 21:26 ET by botgbut the real stars are J & B.
yup no rain no foliage
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
J!
May 24, 2009 - 21:11 ET by R D HelmThanks for dropping in and saying hello.
Hope you're having fun down there in CR.
Its been raing here for three days, and we are supposed to get it for another 7.
LOL-Damo charcoal is a pain to work with.
-Dave
Keep your Charcoal Dry, D!
May 24, 2009 - 21:15 ET by BlondeGood practice....I found a Volcano....it needs a Bar American (w/great BBQ from the Atlanta region).
Awesomeness here (not like that twit troll, LOL).....I'll be in touch when I get back.
They tell me the electricity is back on....oops, not! K....be here for a bit.
Luv ya all...and miss you crazies! It's kinda like a day w/o chocolate!
J.
I hope he fails, too.
Hola B
May 24, 2009 - 21:22 ET by shawn228Miss you on the boards, have a great trip. :-)
He had my vote
Blonde
May 25, 2009 - 03:45 ET by MrShyI found a Volcano....it needs a Bar American (w/great BBQ from the Atlanta region).
I think you may just be the 21st Century's Richard "Rick" Blane! :)
http://powerfulbeyon...
You're the next contestant on...
THE MESSIAH IS... LEFT !!
Which bears the question. If
May 24, 2009 - 21:24 ET by jistincaseWhich bears the question. If you and Obama were standing on a cliff with no one around for a thousand miles, and you would never be caught, would you?
Not yet. I don't agree with
May 24, 2009 - 21:45 ET by Lord ElicaniNot yet. I don't agree with him, but the only people I'd consider murdering like that would be people on the level of Hitler/Stalin et al.
"And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears
fought are still at issue around the globe – the belief that the rights
of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of
God."
- John F. Kennedy
Wow
May 24, 2009 - 21:36 ET by shawn228Susan Boyle does it again.
He had my vote
→ Shawn
May 24, 2009 - 21:38 ET by Cool ArrowI thought they were selling her as having "never done it".
Well cool arrow
May 24, 2009 - 21:41 ET by shawn228I never really thought about what she does with her mouth except for sing ;-)
He had my vote
→ Susan Boyle
May 24, 2009 - 21:47 ET by Cool ArrowIn that video she sounds 1960's high school musical.
Too much coaching.
I thought it was pretty good
May 24, 2009 - 21:58 ET by shawn228...but I would say not as good as her first performance. I think I am more of fan of Britans got talent and The X factor than AI. In all the seasons, only one performance of AI gave me chills, that is when Kelly Clarkson sang I surrender
Paul Potts was Unbelievable so was Connie. Leona Lewis launched her career on X Factor and sang one of the best versions Bridge over troubled water I ever heard.
He had my vote
We've seen God knows how
May 25, 2009 - 00:23 ET by RR GOPWe've seen God knows how much of our potential wealth evaporate under these boneheads-and it started long before I was born. We peons have to be kept down to support the idle so that the PTB can assuage their guilt concerning their wealth and privilege. We pay for their indulgences. It also irks them just as the rich Capitalist we imagine in a top hat, that there's wealth out there somewhere that they don't have control over. Key word is 'control'.
We're taught that it's 'just money'. Sure, but it is actually so much more and is representative of our self-worth and being able to live a stable middle-class life. A qualifier to be considered civilized is to have a surplus of food and other resources. Pretty simple concept. But now we're supposed to feel guilty for being civilized.
The problems associated with strained resources (especially energy) are not lost upon me, and I do think that Socialism is a last resort if Capitalism goes under. But, that doesn't mean it should be forced upon societies. The Marxists were wrong in the 19th century, the 20th century and now the 21st. Socialism simply is not necessary yet and, besides-is more of an economic concept than the fuzzy/warm ideology (on the surface anyway) it has become. It's not supposed to be about oppression, either. But when a radical movement pushes itself on a society that doesn't need it and resists, they will lash out with all the fervor of religious zealots.
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 61% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory (yep...approval for Congress now at 39%...do you believe that!?).
Holy Crap! Check out Drudge! The Norks lit off a Nuke!
May 25, 2009 - 00:43 ET by R D HelmNORTH KOREA CLAIMS SUCCESSFUL NUKE TEST Report: Pyongyang also test-fires short-range missile...
SKorea military forms crisis team...
Japan says test 'unacceptable'...
U.S. 'gravely concerned'...
Britain: 'Breach' of UN resolutions...
Asian markets rattled...
-Dave
Re Norks
May 25, 2009 - 00:46 ET by slickwillie2001Do they choose to do these things on US holiday weekends just to get attention? Don't they realize it works just the other way around?
Seismic activity estimated at 5.3 this time, vs 3.6 for what was thought to be a fizzle a couple of years ago. Maybe this one worked better? What will the Bamster say? Blame it on Bush like most everything else? Is this another Joe Biden test?
slick,
May 25, 2009 - 00:52 ET by R D HelmI have always said that two of the biggest lies ever perpetrated by government were Social Security and gun control.
I guess I should add nuclear non-proliferation to the list, as the West has done nothing but pay it lip service.
Oh, and don't forget to thank Maddy Alwrong (who is probably running for the tall grass right about now) and Billy Jeff (who isn't smart enough to run for the tall grass), as they were the two most responsible for them getting the technology to begin with.
Idiots both.
Stupid idiots.
-Dave
Why all the
May 25, 2009 - 01:15 ET by NL207Why all the excitement? This isn't the first nuke this little toad, Jong Kim Il, has detonated. His regime successfully detonated a test weapon in 2006. This one looks like it was about 10 or 15 times as powerful as the 2006 blast.
Slick Willie and his idiot Secretary of State, Madeline Halfbright should be proud of this moment which they did so much to bring about.
NL207,
May 25, 2009 - 01:24 ET by R D HelmUnlike the last one, this one actually worked.
-Dave
The last one produced a
May 25, 2009 - 01:44 ET by NL207The last one produced a magnitude 3.6 seismic event. I guarantee that if that weapon had been an open air burst in the general vicinity of your home, you would have been of the opinion that it had worked.
This isn't new. What is new is this little prick has continued developing nukes after he made an agreement to stop. My money says Obama hasn't the stones to do anything about it.
US "gravely concerned"
May 25, 2009 - 01:05 ET by R D HelmUS "gravely concerned" about apparent Nork nuke test: http://bit.ly/EfIOx
Gee, ya think?
-Dave
Yeah, Obama called it a
May 25, 2009 - 08:28 ET by ThisnThatYeah, Obama called it a "violation of the law". Go get 'em, Bambi, but make sure you have the evidence else they'll get away scot free.
Here's an assessment I read: In the past two months, Pyongyang has launched a rocket despite international calls for restraint; abandoned international nuclear negotiations; restarted its nuclear plants; and warned it would carry out the atomic test as well as long-range missile tests.
Now, let me see.... ummmm, who has been U.S. President for the past two months? Think there's a connection? And will this allow the next President to say "I inherited this from the past Administration?"
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Liberals constantly demand that we accept a glaring falsehood as truth; Obama's elimination of the word "terror" will make terrorist acts less terrifying
Stop!
May 25, 2009 - 08:58 ET by dervish... or we'll say "Stop!" again!!!
"..or we will taunt you a
May 25, 2009 - 13:52 ET by Lord Elicani"..or we will taunt you a second time!"
"And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears
fought are still at issue around the globe – the belief that the rights
of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of
God."
- John F. Kennedy
Regarding the Nuke
May 25, 2009 - 08:49 ET by BKeyserFirst- I'm pretty sure it will emerge that Clinton and Maddie were acting on the advice of Governor Bush- clearly making it his fault.
Second- what's Hilldog had to say? Can she get a "reset" button over there quickly?
And third- in all seriousness- the Biden remarks were largely (in my view) meant to indicate that the "test" would be for publicity more than provocation. Much like the left's belief about Al Qaeda- they're not really a threat, just saber-rattling. This is the danger we all face. As two of the three Axis of Evil Empires rush headlong into possessing nuclear weapons (the other one was defeated by the Bush Administration to the dismay of the Left), Obama and his band of miscreants continue to misjudge the threat. They'll read some mildly defiant statements from liberal speechwriters, all the while holding on to the fairy tale that if we just be nice, they'll let go of their misguided objectives.
We are in very serious times, with a very non-serious, juvenile president (not capitalized.)
Re Big Red Button
May 25, 2009 - 10:24 ET by slickwillie2001I wouldn't trust this administration with the translation. They are still looking for someone that speaks North Korean. Anyway, a big red button even without a label might not be the right message for the Norkies.
I see great consternation and befuddlement among followers of the Bamster over the fact that his magic unicorn fairy dust doesn't seem to work on our foreign enemies. How could that be? Why doesn't the runt of Pyongyang see the Bamster the same way Hugo does?
He admits we're out of
May 25, 2009 - 08:56 ET by BigSky1970He admits we're out of money, but he's not honest enough to admit he's the one who spent it all. Because he's so busy blaming all previous administrations before him for "the mess I inherited".
But that won't stop him from trying to pass nationalized health care which costs money. Lots of it.
What's going to happen to gold tomorrow?
May 25, 2009 - 12:03 ET by halpI've been tracking for sometime now the price of gold with the widget ExactPrice and I've got to say watching it go up in may when it typically slides has been interesting.
Throw into the mix this news of the President basically saying that we are bankrupt as a country and you know that our foreign debt holders are going to get rid of their holdings.
When the gold market opens tomorrow it is going to end up being one interesting week.
The Dollar
May 25, 2009 - 14:35 ET by Kingfish17When it comes to Community Organizing, our President is a genius. When it comes to the economics of the United States, our President is an idiot. Just because you owe money to someone, does not mean you are "bankrupt". If you're liabilities exceed your assets, and there is no way for you to close that gap, then you are bankrupt. The assets of the United States far exceed it's liabilities. We are headed in the wrong direction, but we are far from bankrupt.
It will be interesting to see what happens to gold tomorrow. Gold of course really is a peg of how the dollar is moving. In the "good old days" the dollar would rally if there was an international crisis. Let's see what happens this time.
"I've sentenced boys younger then you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it, but I felt I owed it to them." Judge Smails
Dollar rally
May 26, 2009 - 11:43 ET by halpKingfish17, looks like you pegged the dollar and the international crisis. The fun I thought we'd see didn't happen. Consumer confidence up, world events, etc. Gold holding though. Lot of indecision I think.