For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: teenage suicide.
A South Florida college student killed himself by overdosing on drugs in front of a live online audience as some computer users egged him on, some debated his method, and others tried to talk him out of it.
When I read this yesterday, I cried for about ten minutes. Maybe it's because I have a son that age. However, I'm wondering how this story has impacted others, and if this is emblematic of the problems in our society today. Or, is this just a teenage suicide with an Internet twist thereby making it both shocking and novel but nothing more?
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Very sad Noel
November 22, 2008 - 10:48 ET by shawn228The ones that egged him on without calling the police should be ashamed of themselves.
He had my vote
my two cents
November 22, 2008 - 10:48 ET by candanceThese tendencies have always been there, but the internet is giving them new tools. It's sad but it's not surprising.
I'm a typical white person.
Saddest story
November 22, 2008 - 11:06 ET by BronxBomber...that this poor tortured kid took his own life is sad enough...the fact that hundreds of people watched and did nothing is almost beyond belief...
...some of these cretins even coaxed him to commit suicide...it makes me both angry and worried about where are we headed as a society...
God help us...
We gotta find a new planet...
That's what got me about
November 22, 2008 - 12:28 ET by motherbeltThat's what got me about it.
What are we doing to our kids that they see watching a suicide as entertainment?
How many of them are reporting to their friends how "cool" it was???
I weep for our future.
I believe that the increase
November 22, 2008 - 12:34 ET by sherylsimsI believe that the increase in suicide is partially due to the decrease of the value of life that this society teaches children from a very early age. If a baby "inconveniences" the mother, no problem, have an abortion... the life isn't valuable. After all, what is life but the result of a random event billions of years ago. When children know they are created for a purpose, and their Creator loves them more than anything they tend to value life more.
sheryl
November 22, 2008 - 12:43 ET by shawn228Abortions have been happening for many decades already, although this is a big tragedy, I hardly believe, we can blame it on abortion.
He had my vote
shawn, it's all part of
November 22, 2008 - 12:47 ET by motherbeltshawn, it may not be directly attributable to abortion, but I do believe that abortion is where the devaluation of life begins.
MB
November 22, 2008 - 12:47 ET by shawn228The poor kid was very unhappy and he felt there was no other way. The morons that were telling him to do it did not help none either.
Do you honestly think if abortion were illegal in this country, it might have saved this kid?
He had my vote
That's not what I said. I
November 22, 2008 - 12:59 ET by motherbeltThat's not what I said.
I said abortion is where devaluation of life begins.
I don't know what would have saved him. My point was more to the spectators, that they considered it entertainment and actually cheered him on.
What should we think of a society that raises up kids who think so little of life that they weren't simply horrified by this?
"What should we think of a
November 22, 2008 - 13:05 ET by shawn228"What should we think of a society that raises up kids who think so little of life that they weren't simply horrified by this?"
These kids were terrible for doing this and I would hope that feel remorse. I know that is not what you said, but I hardly believe abortion had anything to do with their attitude of devaluation of life.
On a side note, I wonder if this is one of those cases of precedent of free speech on the web, sort of like that other girl that killed herself, when another teen and her mom pretended to be somebody else.
He had my vote
→ Agreed Shawn
November 22, 2008 - 13:17 ET by Cool ArrowI would hope that [they]feel remorse.
That hope, and about $5 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks, though I've never held out that hope not had coffee from Starbucks.
Have I missed anything?
I guess I am going to go all
November 23, 2008 - 11:15 ET by sherylsimsI guess I am going to go all the way out on my limb here and say that I don't believe that abortion can be blamed for this (I think maybe my post was misunderstood if you thought I said that) I think the whole system that teaches that we came from a big cosmic accident and that it doesn't matter if we kill an innocent LIFE as it is being formed because what the heck, we are just fetal matter or the result of a chemical accidental event billions of years ago, or whatever it is that people who are denying a Creator believe. What that does is tell our children that life isn't valuable. Even theirs. Not that they were created for a purpose and are loved and have incredible value. I don't "blame" abortion for suicide. I just think it is part of the problem.
Good morning sherylsims
November 23, 2008 - 11:40 ET by cocodrieYou are not alone on your limb. Moral absolutes are from God and do not change. Flexible morals are from man and change at his whim.
Situation ethics taught in government schools proclaims that it is ok for a person to do whatever that person thinks is ok.
Carried to its logical conclusion, anything is moral and acceptable.
When my daughter was in
November 23, 2008 - 11:46 ET by sherylsimsWhen my daughter was in college she got a big kick out of hearing someone say there was no such thing as an "absolute truth" and someone else asked, "Is that true?" (I guess maybe you had to be there...)
Thank you sheryl
November 23, 2008 - 11:54 ET by cocodrieThank you sheryl
Sheryl
November 23, 2008 - 12:10 ET by shawn228Good morning.
I believe the person that committed suicide felt he had nowhere to turn and let everybody down. He was extremely sad and I do not believe devaluation of human life anything to do with it.
I do not like abortion, it is a topic i have moved to right on, in the past two years. However I do not believe the majority of people that have abortions have to just as a form or birth control. It is a very hard decision for the mother and most of them agonize over the decision and don't consider it fecal matter.
He had my vote
Ok, well, first of all, I
November 23, 2008 - 12:24 ET by sherylsimsOk, well, first of all, I didn't say fecal matter, I said FETAL matter (as in ...fetus...) and secondly I do realize what a difficult decision abortion is to someone who has no moral absolutes and who has listened to EVERY societal input say that it is just a "choice", etc. When you believe that the life inside you is God-given and of value then it isn't a hard decision to make. I don't think you and I are in disagreement on this from what I have read in your posts. I am not trying to tie every suicide to abortion. I was making a general statement about the devaluation of life in this society. I haven't done any studies on it, it was just my observation. I am not really looking to argue about it either. I respect your opinions and enjoy your banter (mostly) because you usually seem to have thought through your opinions even when you disagree with others. (which is often...)
→ Shawn
November 22, 2008 - 12:47 ET by Cool ArrowOur turn will come when our usefulness in society is deemed negligible.
??????
November 22, 2008 - 12:53 ET by shawn228Too deep for my liberal mind CA. Layman terms please.
He had my vote
→ It's easy Shawn
November 22, 2008 - 13:05 ET by Cool ArrowOld people are a drag on the economy.
In very much the same way that the Black Plague enriched the survivors in Europe through inheritance, Young people can enrich themselves by "putting down" old people.
It's not as though there's no precedent for killing in the name of convenience, is it.
Cool Arrow
November 22, 2008 - 13:16 ET by shawn228As far as I know, in the United States or America with maybe the exception of arguably Terri Shiavo, we have not put down anybody born outside of the womb that did not want to die voluntarily.
He had my vote
→ Shawn
November 22, 2008 - 13:20 ET by Cool ArrowHave you been hiding under a rock?
Try Oregon.
But you're right, so far it's mostly the willing.
Exactly my point CA
November 22, 2008 - 13:25 ET by shawn228These are people that wanted to die volunarily. Not becaue they were sad that they had pimples and no one wanted to date them, but they were in phyiscal pain and wanted to die with dignity.
You can hardly call it murder when the patient wants to die. I agree 100 percent with the Oregon law.
He had my vote
→ My point too, Shawn
November 22, 2008 - 13:30 ET by Cool ArrowThe Government has removed a legal obstacle, which is interpreted as a moral obstacle.
Today it is seen as a humane alternative to pain, but tomorrow it will be seen as a civic duty.
There is a natural evolution to the euthenasia school of thought.
Some day it will be an economic infeasibility to perform open heart surgery beyond age 65.
Well CA
November 22, 2008 - 13:34 ET by shawn228I see your point about a slippery slope
Abortion has been around since the early seventies and I have not seen it evolve to taking life outside of the womb and what you say about assisted suicide.
I am saying however, that none of that has happened since 1971 and I see no reason that it will. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and everything.
He had my vote
→ No Shawn
November 22, 2008 - 13:43 ET by Cool ArrowThe Hippocratic Oath, which predates the seventies by a couple of years (Ancient Greece), includes the following:
It's also been postulated that sorcery (pharmakeia: sound familiar?), as used in the Bible included inducing abortion. Passing the children through the fire to Molech was certainly a form of infanticide.
I see your point....
November 22, 2008 - 13:55 ET by shawn228regarding the oath, but like I said I have not seen any evidence to take a way life outside the womb volunatarily and I see now reason why we should.
He had my vote
→ That's OK Shawn
November 22, 2008 - 13:59 ET by Cool ArrowThat's because you haven't yet seen, nor felt the full weight of the retired baby boomers on your back as you struggle to provide for your family.
Give it about 7 years.
regardless CA
November 22, 2008 - 14:12 ET by shawn228I will never advocate taking away a life unless it was voluntary.
He had my vote
→ Good Shawn
November 22, 2008 - 14:21 ET by Cool ArrowI hope you don't. And I hope we're never demonized to the point where it's seen as a logical step.
But Just as "Baby Knauer" was a step in the direction of snuffing the insane, the infirm, and a whole bunch of Jews, a nation that abandons its morals is capable of damn near anything.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
I will never advocate
November 23, 2008 - 02:45 ET by Dan The Man 2I will never advocate taking away a life unless it was voluntary - When you pulled the lever for Obama you did just that, you are responsible and furthermore you were warned.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Dan... You spoke
November 23, 2008 - 02:49 ET by bigtimerDan...
You spoke volumes.
Simple as that.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Well Dan
November 23, 2008 - 03:26 ET by shawn228First of all I don't know what mean by taking away a life volunarily, 2nd I never pulled a lever, I filled out a ballot, and third, hence my tagline, I voted for McCain.
He had my vote
First of all I don't know
November 23, 2008 - 10:44 ET by Dan The Man 2First of all I don't know what mean by taking away a life volunarily - Direct quote from your post, and pulling a lever is semantics. As far as you understanding taht anyone has culpabilityfor their actions in their life ... well you will probably never understand. All of the choices in your life have consequences all of which you are responsible for in some part or all. If you do nothing against abortion then you are culpable in some part of it.
So if you vote for a Democrat, any Democrat then you are culpable for abortions and promotion of abortions in this country. The Democrats have abortion in their platform so any person who is a Dem ascribes to the platform by fiat and any who votes Democrat does so also.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Good morning Dan
November 23, 2008 - 11:09 ET by cocodrieYou are 100% correct. As I look back over the many years of my life I know I am responsible for the the consequences of my choices.
Anyone who intentionally turns a blind eye to evil is responsible for that evil.
Unfortunately our government schools are teaching that no one is responsible for their own actions. The blame always rests on someone else - usually "society".
Thank you for the
November 23, 2008 - 11:26 ET by shawn228Thank you for the explanation Dan
He had my vote
CONVENIENCE
November 22, 2008 - 19:09 ET by Unsanebut they were in phyiscal pain and wanted to die with dignity. So, when I stub my toe against a door, that gives me license to off myself? What about having my heaet broken?
You really need to get this stupid "die with dignity" crap out of your head. The two most undignified acts a human being can take part in is: 1) birth and 2) death. Births are...well, messy. And death? Well, you get to urinate and defecate on yourself among other joys. Call me crazy, but I never thought there was ever much dignity in that.
Face it: one of the biggest irritants in your life is the simple fact that life and death does not occur at your CONVENIENCE. You want every imaginable thing, including birth and death, to happen when it is most CONVENIENT for you.
"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
Well at least your
November 22, 2008 - 19:12 ET by shawn228not using the countries going nowhere talking point. I believe in euthanasia which would be considered death, please show me what you mean by birth?
He had my vote
Shawn, since you decided to whine...
November 23, 2008 - 19:40 ET by UnsaneWell, since you whined, and because you used your very own talking point ("die with dignity") while stupidly accusing me of using talking points in your feeble attempt to belittle my arguments instead of confronting them like a man...
The Netherlands, a big-time member of Unsane's Going Nowhere club, loves euthanasia. Why? Better for the old and infirm to go off themselves or demand they be whacked rather than have the state pay for their care. Sure, the State sanctions murder and allows/encourages its doctors to commit murder, but hey, that's more euros for Amsterdam in savings!
Do me a small favor before I thorw my entire PC through my neighbor's third-story window: READ my post. There are two very undignified events all human beings must go through. Those are 1) birth and 2) death. Births, according to Unsane's Mom, an authority on childbirth - she having done it three times - are very messy. Newborn babies aren't necessarily cute and cuddly at first - YOU try and look good after bathing in amniotic fluid for months! - they have to interact with oxygen for a little while before they truly become adorable. Nonetheless, I bring up birth as merely additional ammunition to blow up your nonsense about "dignity", as I am showcasing for you that life is bookended by very undignified events.
Death is not pretty. Hence, your stupid talking point on "dying with dignity" is crap. Have you ever watched someone die, shawn? Have you handled the dead outside funeral parlors where they are "dolled up"? Have you encountered a human being minutes or possibly seconds into the aftermath of death? I have. It is not pretty by a long shot. It certainly isn't dignified.
Argue for legalized murder all you want (in my mind, I can't find a difference between Dr. Kevorkian and Dr. Mengele - both were sick bastards who got sexual arousal from death and killing people as far as I am concerned), and for life to begin and end at YOUR CONVENIENCE - but don't invoke the word "dignity". That's plain BS.
"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
Good evening Unsane
November 23, 2008 - 19:54 ET by cocodrieI have witnessed one birth and several deaths and they are exactly what you say.
The Netherlands has a nice name for when your relatives or your doctor have had enough and want you dead. They call it "Termination without request".
Well Unsane
November 23, 2008 - 20:59 ET by shawn228I am not whining, I was just pointing out some things. I never said birth or death was pretty. Dying with dignity means not having to put a shotgun in your mouth if you are suffering from lung cancer and the pain is too great, or a situation like Chrisipher Reeve had. In both cases I am only advocating this if it is their choice.
edit
The Raiduhs record this year s terrible at 3-8, but I am glad it came at the expense of your Broncos :-)
He had my vote
(sigh)
November 24, 2008 - 06:16 ET by UnsaneWell, I THOUGHT I was making progress...
There is no such thing under any circumstances as "death with dignity". None. And once again, where does it end? I was under severe physical pain with pneumonia. Could I have told the doctor to kill me? I lived through it and came out alright though so that would have been quite stupid.
Doctors are here to save/prolong lives, not kill people. If we wanted doctors to kill people, I suppose Dr. Mengele would be looked upon as a hero, not as the evil bastard that he is.
"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
cool
November 22, 2008 - 14:21 ET by misterbillsoylent green.. I have been eating a ton of garlic--that will discourage a lot of our young people.
→ Watch it misterbill
November 22, 2008 - 14:27 ET by Cool ArrowYou're just seasoning yourself. I'm betting there's a lucrative market for your garlic-fed carcass in Pakistan or India.
I'm eating lots of pineapple hoping to finally get a trip to Hawaii.
That was the funniest thing
November 23, 2008 - 11:20 ET by sherylsimsThat was the funniest thing I have read all morning!!!
We now reside in a truly sick society...
November 22, 2008 - 11:13 ET by R D Helm...and it gets even sicker each and every day.
-Dave
Did this country just elect Obama/Biden, or was it Soros/Ayers?
I read that the other day
November 22, 2008 - 12:32 ET by motherbeltI read that the other day at WND.
I'm sure the prof would claim he was "enlightening" Jesse.
BTW...it's mentioned in the WND article...for anyone who has tweens or teens, I strongly recommend reading "The Marketing of Evil." I was amazed by it. I gave it to my son to read; he and his wife do youth ministry at their church, and he found it illuminating also.
Jihad Jimmy and Kofi the Useless refused entry into Zimbabwe
November 22, 2008 - 11:18 ET by R D HelmI have to laugh, as the irony of this is just too sweet to ignore.
-Dave
Did this country just elect Obama/Biden, or was it Soros/Ayers?
Don't worry about the muggers
November 22, 2008 - 11:31 ET by dboFrom the "Can it get any stupider than this"" file:
NYC has installed a statue of Che Guevara in Central Park. The world is upside down.
http://www.americant...
The world is upside
November 22, 2008 - 11:39 ET by R D HelmThe world is upside down.
And quite backwards, too.
Now all they need is a statue of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Mussolini and Uncle Ho, and they'll have a complete set.
Bet the messiah will have us footing the bill for them, too.
-Dave
Did this country just elect Obama/Biden, or was it Soros/Ayers?
NYC has installed a statue
November 23, 2008 - 02:49 ET by Dan The Man 2NYC has installed a statue of Che Guevara in Central Park - Nothing a few winds of det cord can't fix. Of course if its very resilient perhaps we should put a bit of plastic on it too.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
If this were a similar hero
November 23, 2008 - 08:45 ET by BDIf this were a similar hero from the rights perspective (One who murdered opponants, ran political prisons, etc)the left would send every kook fringe idiot on the planet to ceaselessly protest.
But no one will protest this because members of the right HAVE JOBS!
Hell, putting up a statue of a famous hero from the Civil and Revolutionary wars is protested by the left now days.
But Che? Hey, he is just a T-shirt hero to the idiots who wear them and think he is famous for being a fashion hero.
Who are some other future T-shirt heroes to the idiots on the left? OBL, Abu Sabaya (Ooooh...What with those cool black sunglasses and black gangsta headwrap), and Charles Manson.
Contradictions collapse but can be quite funny
November 23, 2008 - 20:17 ET by UnsaneBD - Speaking of the Che t-shirt craze...I saw the ultimate image of irony on campus the other day.
Some dude was walking around with a Che t-shirt captioned "RESIST OPPRESSION". I kid you not.
Normally, I suppose, I would get all bent out of shape. Instead, I walked past and just howled with laughter. Oh, the IRONY...
"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
→ Good one Unsane
November 23, 2008 - 20:21 ET by Cool ArrowIt's like wearing a picture of Whoopi Goldberg with the caption: Every child deserves a birthday.
Global Warning Hoey
November 22, 2008 - 11:48 ET by ricklailI don't know about the rest of you here in the South but I am about freeze. We haven't gone through that transtion period between summer and fall. Snowed twice here this week, Wednesday and Friday. First time it has snowed twice in November since 1961 and that was on the 28th and 29th. For the last few days the lows have been in the lower 20's-highs in the mid 40's. Al Gore might still have a few GW believers here in eastern NC but they are growing fewer by the day. IT IS COLD.
YOU CAN KEEP "THE CHANGE" PALIN 2012
→ Not with a bang
November 22, 2008 - 11:55 ET by Cool ArrowBut a whimper.
Howard Beale, a lot younger, smaller audience.
Is this typical media leftist reporting
November 22, 2008 - 11:56 ET by shawn228or did world leaders pretty much diss President Bush?
He had my vote
Shawn,
November 22, 2008 - 12:04 ET by R D HelmI saw that too, and did a little digging.
CNN countered their own reporter with this story.
The video did kind of look bad, though.
-Dave
Did this country just elect Obama/Biden, or was it Soros/Ayers?
thx Dave:-)
November 22, 2008 - 12:09 ET by shawn228I found that video kind of disturbing. No matter if they agree with his policies are not, I found it hard to believe they would be so disrespectful.
He had my vote
Dave
November 22, 2008 - 14:14 ET by Noel SheppardDave,
I am SO GLAD you posted this. When I saw Sanchez's report, and all the attention the Netroots gave it, I immediately thought that Bush had likely shaken all of these folks' hands before the picture was taken, and that these people that were lining up for this photo hadn't seen each other yet at this meeting.
I will be posting this post-haste. THANK YOU! ns
Noel,
November 22, 2008 - 16:55 ET by R D HelmI hate to admit it, but when I saw the video the first time I was sort of taken in by it.
It wasn't until later that I started thinking something wasn't quite kosher with it.
-Dave
Did this country just elect Obama/Biden, or was it Soros/Ayers?
Hey Dave...I saw that
November 22, 2008 - 14:25 ET by bigtimerHey Dave...I saw that earlier this morning on Hot Air too....so glad you put this here...Moos did a good job, wondering how Sanchez is feeling about now...
Oh never mind, people like him and the others like Stewart who do anything to discredit the President never say they were wrong or apologize...ever, if the do back-track at all, it is at the end of a show usually and just briefly as possible mentioned.
By the way, I have been so happy to see when Moos has been reporting in the last year or so she has been washing her hair, it used to bug the heck out of me when it was always oily....someone must of finally talked to her...lol...just had to throw that in, I usually do not mention other peoples looks ect.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Absolutely Blatant Bias Shawn
November 22, 2008 - 14:48 ET by JWFEspecially after seeing the response from CNN's other reporters as noted by some very sharp people here.
One thought went through my mind after watching the hotair post - BUSTED!
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Yeah JWF
November 22, 2008 - 18:45 ET by shawn228It was sort of like when I saw the backwards B scraped on top of the McCain supporterers face, something just did not feel right.
I hope when NB exposes this story they will give give Kudos to CNN for showing the truth. Your right Rick Sanchez is totally busted on this one, I doubt he will apologize like he should.
He had my vote
→ Somebody Help Me?
November 22, 2008 - 12:26 ET by Cool ArrowIs this the dress worn by Michelle Obama the other night?
Striking resemblance, wouldn't you say?
Society?
November 22, 2008 - 12:36 ET by iveseenitallI have a dictionary which defines "Society" as "fellowship". By that definintion, we no longer can call America a society. America is now a multicultural group of people, divided into special interest groups which disagree with and often hate each other. There are no common goals or interests. With Barry Obama, a man of zero accomplishments, as its "leader" having schools named after him and millions watching a young man kill himself, while cheering him on, we need no more proof that this "society" has lost its soul. How many years does the great experiment with democracy have left? IMHO, not many. Sad.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
isia, Yup,Separation technology i call it. All possible via oil.
November 22, 2008 - 14:51 ET by upcountrywaterNever has a Society been so dependant on itself, yet oblivious to the intrastructure, that feeds warms and houses them.
As if it's a "right"..Food comes from a shrink rapped plastic, water flows from the faucet, gas flows from the pump...whats the problem, me first!
Durning the depression food traveled on average 11 miles from field to mouth, now it's 1,200 miles.
9-11 was 4 planes...
9-11 take 2 ; will be 4 harbors, with the accompaning oil refineries.
And when the gas station run dry, food packs go poof!
It's aloha America.
DEMOCRAT
Aclu</
Did anyone see Crazy Mort
November 22, 2008 - 12:51 ET by Jack BauerDid anyone see Crazy Mort Kondrake with Laura Ungraham standing in for O'Reilly yesterday?
What is it about liberals that make them so concerned to share with CONSERVATIVES what they need do to win elections.
Which always turns out to be more "liberal."
Have yet to meet a conservative who could care less about advising liberals on being successful.
I useed to have time for Kondrake, especially when his serverly disbled wife was still alive, but he now rants like a demented gerbil.
And he really does need to shut his offensive gob about Terri Schiavo.
→ I saw it, Jack
November 22, 2008 - 12:54 ET by Cool ArrowLike we really need coaching from Mort.
Laura didn't budge from the truth. Basically we were trying to run a fake Democrat against a real Democrat.
Neighbors of ours
November 22, 2008 - 13:01 ET by Delsajust lost their 16 year old son as he was riding his bike early this past Sunday morning. He was a great kid, full of life and mischief. He was told he could not go out Saturday night, so he went out the window. His ride back home was NOT able to drive him, so he borrowed a bike at 5 am in the morning and started home.
He was hit by a car and died instantly. NO ID on him, his parents reported him missing Sunday afternoon, and they identified him in the morgue.
Now we hear and read of this young man. Lost and thinking he was alone, asking for help from anyone. Hoping against all hope that he was wrong, someone did care, and that someone would call for help in advance of his death. He gambled and lost. The internet is like the phone used to be.
In the old days he would have called someone, told them what he intended to do, and wait for the rescue.
Both families sit and wonder. They question every hour that went before THE hour. They will always wonder. Forever.
The victims are those left behind.
Life is precious and short even if we live to 100.
It's always the worst to
November 22, 2008 - 13:13 ET by Jack BauerIt's always the worst to hear of children dying.
All that unfilled promise and talent left forever. The parents will never truly get over this. I pray they survive as a family.
I too read this yesterday,
November 22, 2008 - 12:59 ET by bigtimerI too read this yesterday, thought about posting about it on OT yesterday, decided not to, anyway, I am glad it is here today...for me this is beyond very sad...this country, some of our kids have become heartless in more ways than one in my opinion, I also think a lot of the technology, LaLaLand and the msm has aided in this...not that people haven't always taken glee in others misery, showing the sick side of themselves too, we all know about people screaming for someone to jump ect...I don't know, I would be more than upset if I lost my child this way, knowing others were watching while he was dying, and no one seemed to care or do anything about it until it was far to late...I read where he had cried wolf about this before too, he needed help, too bad he didn't know how to go about getting it...from what I read seems he had a very loving family, father...I do have to wonder how much meds he was on or had been previously...I also think this is a huge problem with kids from early on, where the parents agree to have a young kid take a pill for just about anything, in my opinion this has been more than dangerous for their minds in their up-coming years, instead of letting them grow up normally, warts and all, instead of good little robots.
My heart goes out to the family...those that took glee in this, will have to live with that fact the rest of their miserable lives.
To me, a big part of this society is one big sick puppy....I don't know when or if it will ever heal...before it is too late.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
I don't know if this is a liberal bias, but ...
November 22, 2008 - 13:06 ET by legacyrepublicanIt is a story that makes me very sad but not surprised. We have become a population of voyeurs who condone most anything we see in the media claiming it is entertainment.
I don't know if it even qualifies as a liberal bias either.
But, after seeing the reporting of the election, I do know the media has further helped create a world in which someone watching him do it was so desensitized to the real horror of what was happening that they did not get the real message of what was happening and would not get ahold of the moderator sooner to stop it?
I remember years ago walking into the room where my family was gathered and glued to the television as they constantly repeated the Space Shuttle Colombia breakup. I asked them to stop watching it since it was images of seven people dying in a horrific manner.
I also shocked friends by walking out of the movie "Devil's Advocate" because I could not stand watching various women being brutalized. It was not very entertaining.
Such voyeurism is nothing to be proud of, but in the age we live in, not very surprising when we think about it.
A South Florida college
November 22, 2008 - 13:24 ET by Jack BauerThis internet "death pornography" has been a feature of a couple of movies, and TV series recently, where a depraved audience has voyeured online as a fellow human being is being murdered before their eyes.
Truly disgusting to think people would do this in real life. But I'm not surprised.
This is the same "internet savvy" hip gen who voted overwhelmingly for Obama, right?
Sorry if I offended anyone by pointing out the obvious.
We really are devolving as a species.
Technology
November 22, 2008 - 14:34 ET by JDWIn the 'old days' people stood on top of buildings and threatened to jump. Crowds always gathered below.
As far as holding a gun to one's head, even though it is common I will never forget Holden's order to do so against Elián.
I have known people personally who committed suicide. Two had every advantage imaginable yet obviously something was wrong. I do not know how religious minded people who have goals in life can take such a route. It is obvious what effect the lack of them have.
JDW
DAILY WAVE
And another one bites the dust...
November 22, 2008 - 13:43 ET by Jack BauerBritish terror suspect Rashid Rauf 'killed in U.S airstrike' in Pakistan
By DAILY MAIL REPORTER
Last updated at 6:23 PM on 22nd November 2008
A British man suspected of masterminding the 2006 airline bomb plot has been killed in a US missile attack in Pakistan.
http://www.dailymail...
Hey Jack, more good news
November 22, 2008 - 14:00 ET by bigtimerHey Jack, more good news for me today....thanks for the update...
I tell ya' those 72 virgins have got to be running scarce about now...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
I tell ya' those 72 virgins
November 23, 2008 - 02:57 ET by Dan The Man 2I tell ya' those 72 virgins have got to be running scarce about now - Nah what they don't tell ya is they have been recycling them for many years now. Ya know, to be green and all.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
...Ah but Dan.. We do
November 23, 2008 - 03:04 ET by bigtimer...Ah but Dan..
We do need to remember...being green is just another facade.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
→ citigroup stupidity
November 22, 2008 - 13:56 ET by Cool ArrowAt some point citigroup shares are worth buying.
The plummet in stock value is independent of the ability of the company to operate. It is a symptom, not a cause.
Bailout
November 22, 2008 - 14:39 ET by JDWGM will be using $1B of it's bailout, taxpayer donations, to invest in a plant outside of our country.
JDW
DAILY WAVE
Hillary Sec Of State
November 22, 2008 - 14:53 ET by JDWConstitution says no
JDW
DAILY WAVE
JDW... WOW! Do you think
November 22, 2008 - 18:20 ET by bigtimerJDW...
WOW! Do you think anyone on our side is going to be bringing this up...anymore than they have the questionable place of Obama's real birth or the legality of his citizenship?
I hope and pray this is made an issue, it is a huge one, I would have never known if not for you.
Thank you...I am passing this link on to some I know would really be more than interested also.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
November 22, 2008 - 17:46 ET by TexasOptimist→ What's new TO
November 22, 2008 - 17:52 ET by Cool ArrowYou're certainly no conservative and exhibited no ability to think for yourself.
Farewell, and I'm hoping the Mods never let you back in.
Tex O... I wouldn't
November 22, 2008 - 18:13 ET by bigtimerTex O...
I wouldn't advice doing that again...unless you are intentionally attempting to be booted here...permanently.
One thing about it though, you did show your true colors.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
→ He got away with it?
November 22, 2008 - 18:19 ET by Cool ArrowUnbelievable.
I mean come on!!! He did say farewell, didn't he?
Hi Cool... I have seen
November 22, 2008 - 18:24 ET by bigtimerHi Cool...
I have seen one other poster here very recently that used the same language...it shocked me coming from him, out of the blue too as far as I was concerned....he presents himself as a conservative, so I was really blown away...the post disappeared before I could comment or get to it, I decided to just let it go, but I won't forget it either.
Pathetic what TO did in my opinion, let alone despicable.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
TO
November 22, 2008 - 21:02 ET by Noel SheppardFolks,
Can someone PM me what was in this comment before it got deleted? ns
C-H-A-T
November 22, 2008 - 21:17 ET by Free StinkerC-H-A-T
"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media." -- Lowell Ponte
Ladies and gentlemen, The
November 22, 2008 - 21:46 ET by Roger the ShrubberLadies and gentlemen,
The feel-good news story of the week.
Heck Rog... You made my
November 22, 2008 - 22:40 ET by bigtimerHeck Rog...
You made my night...take that back, I think my whole week, if not month!
What great news...I hope the future of Cullen and her career is ...extinguished... I hope you let us know what happens with the over-rated Al Gore lovin' artist after they make up their minds what to do with her, msnbc will probably have her on with Morning Joe and replace Jackie.
It really does seem weird they did this during their phony baloney Green Week BS on NBC doesn't it.
Now, if we could just have this happen to Gore and all the other Global Warming Nuts...including some politicians that are going to kill us all in the pocket-book with their BS Cap and Trade.
Btw...I am just getting caught up here...I will be getting back to you.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh