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For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: Why aren't young men getting married?

Kay S. Hymowitz's "Love in the Time of Darwinism" is stirring a lot of talk in the blogosphere. Her essay explores why young men seem to be shunning marriage -- at least for now -- and some of the possible reasons.

As many of us baby boomers have children either in or about to enter this demographic, it would be interesting to hear from NBers of all ages concerning their view of the current dating and mating world, and what are the causes of the present battle of the sexes.

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Men want to experience more before getting married

Women get more beautiful with every generation and the new crop is no exception.  That is why I believe in dating when it comes to both sexes, In a perfect world you should remain monogomous until marriage, but I believe many people would regret only having one partner their lives, instead of sampling the smorgasboard that is availiable to them.

 

He had my vote

Unhappy Women

I think the basic premise is that a lot of women are just unhappy.  I am a late 30s, divorced/remarried former nice guy.  Growing up I was the nice guy--I treated women the way I wanted to be treated by them.  Boy that was a mistake. 

 After a divorce and tour of duty in Afghanistan, I moved to the DC and my initial impression was "This place is great.  All these attractive/educated women who are interested in little ol' me".  Boy I was wrong!!!  I had many dates that were more like job interviews. "How much do I make?  How many kids do I want? Where do I want to get married?  When will you be a General? "  This occurred anywhere from date 1 to 3.  I learned they saw me as relatively attractive guy, with most of my hair, and a wallet. 

The other trend I see in the DC area are just the "d**kless" men.  They never stand up to women and are pushed around.  I see many males in my neighborhood or in my wife's circle of friends who just take abuse and abuse from their wives. 

 These are the reasons, IMHO, why men are not getting married.  They see a leech making them miserable.  And to all the good women reading this post--I am not attacking you.  I am attacking a specific type woman who has jaded men and give all women a bad name. 

 

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wow, kd

That's quite an indictment, and unfortunately, I suspect spot-on.

I lived in D.C. in my early twenties, and my impression was that people ran in packs.  And were impressed with who they were for what they did, i.e. the junior aide to the aide of the representative from west podunk.

Perhaps it's just your locale....hoping so, anyway.

 

 

Absolutely right on the

Absolutely right on the money.  I live in the DC-metro area (Fairfax) and can guarantee anyone who cares that everything you said is right.

I'm a woman who has never had any patience with the majority of other women and moving here 10 years ago has just reinforced for me that they're greedy, treacherous, and vicious.

Other than that, I really can't think of anything nice to say about them.

I'm so sorry that you had to land in this next of vipers.  I do pray that you find one of the few remaining decent women out there. 

Me - "The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years.  The cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil."

Amen

It simply doesn't pay to be nice or a gentleman anymore, I fear... 

"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!!  A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)

kdoliver... Try dating

kdoliver...

Try dating people well away from D.C. That town has a disease much like San Fransisco, so run like hell away from it at the next opportunity.

FYI... Some of the most beautiful women (inside and outside) can be found in the South and in the Mid-West. Present NB members are also a fine catch!

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LOL Ct...yeah, let us not

LOL Ct...yeah, let us not forget the NW.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Hey bt... I covered that

Hey bt...

I covered that in my last sentence. So I'm off the hook, right?

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LOL Ct... Of course...I

LOL Ct...

Of course...I was just jerking your chain for the heck of it...

On a more serious subject, did anybody see this at all...this is more of Obama and his history of voter fraud from long ago, this is very good info. that the msm never delved into...and we wonder how he is winning...this is eye-opening, it is from Sweetness and Light.

Let alone Soros buying at least 5 Sec. of States for ensuring voting fraud purposes during this upcoming election, Minnesota's being one of them....I heard about this last night on Fox. 

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

bt... Have you seen this

bt... Have you seen this one... Gun Sales Will Skyrocket Again 

 

 

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Hey Ct... I'll be posting

Hey Ct...

I'll be posting there tomorrow, interested in reading some of your thoughts too...you already know how I feel, plus I know about Holder and the 2nd Amendment, but reading your blog is going to be great to comment on also.

Did you read my link above about what the are doing to those kids to say say the Pledge of Allegiance?

Outrageous...absolutely outrageous.

Later friend...got to get some shut-eye...early morning tomorrow.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

women today are, I think,

women today are, I think, confused as hell.

When I was growing up the feminist movement was in full swing.  The whole bra burning era had just swept through and it was all about the career.  Men were secondary and disposable.  We wanted them to be understanding, caring and 'there for us'.  Not brutish and cave-like.  Men tried that on for size - they werent offered a lot of choice in many ways.  And suddenly women found they didnt like this 'new man' they had created.  It seems to have resulted in a kind of joint animosity.  So now women have exactly what they wanted.  Life to themselves.  Men have had enough. 

Now, many people (men and women alike) on the dating scene are now perpetutally lonely and it has built this sense of hostility on so many levels because no one really has a clear idea what their role is in a relationship anymore.  The traditional role is outdated and even despised.  The less traditional arrangements make for transient and more often than not, very dissatisfactory relationships.

I started down the career path and by some miracle managed to self-deprogram from the feminist agenda and stop regarding my mother's choice to be an at-home mom as being something 'antiquated'.  I also think there is always room for all schools of thought, but people need to be making these choices for the right reasons.

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I will add to that...

Basically, ever since the 60's-70's, women were taught generally or at least enabled to stay emotional 2 year old brats all their lives. A lot of the time they never were taught or at least exposed to any sort of self-introspection and any other forms of character-building that men had to go through.Women used to be taught to have character, now it's about feeling good.

Feminism has also taught women to be paranoid and angry at men, for just being men. That they should be able to give everything, while they are never obligated to give anything back in a relationship. So, women are more selfish in general.

In the 90's, I found out that every freaking class taught feminist_____ theory, of which taught a lot of young women my age to be paranoid, angry harradins, because they were taught that way by professors that were paranoid, angry harradins.This is still continued to this day.

Dr. Laura also noted a spike in suicides for Boomer age women and well, considering that the divorce rate was higher. The 60's radical feminism was implemented around when those Boomers were young women. There was a bigger occurence of single motherhood, more divorce and martial problems. We can put two and two together. The main mantras were that men were lowlifes and children were secondary, as we see in the aftermath of increased convicts in jails (70% of the violent ones didn't have a dad). I also saw the evolution of pro-choice to pro-abortion.

I used to be a liberal woman throughout college and thought that liberal guys were more elevated--turns out that they weren't men, rather b*tchy girls. Oh yeah, they tended to be a LOT more abusive (both sexually and physically), weasely, meaner, and passive aggressive than conservative guys. These would be the guys that would constantly either undercut their women or be punching bags until they exploded.

There are good women out there, but they are probably as hard to find as good men. Feminism really hurt a lot of generations.

“You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.” ~ Winston Churchill

ando... There are good

ando...

There are good women out there, but they are probably as hard to find as good men. Feminism really hurt a lot of generations.

Right you are...and that was the plan Stan!

I, for one, am glad to see the majority of this BS being unraveled with women...took long enough.

What society/politicos/msm has done to men has been beyond contempt in my opinion. 

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

 That sounds an awful lot

 That sounds an awful lot like

" men want to bang every good looking broad, in every hole God gave her before getting married"

 that IS what you mean by "experience" right

can we please, in my life time, stop the rationalzation of thinking with your genitals.  Call a spade a spade, YOUNG MEN WANT TO HAVE LOTS OF SEX WITH LOTS OF DIFFERENT WOMEN.   

it's been that way since when Guntor the cave man saw that other "thing" that looked like him but had softer skin nicer eyes, and hit it on the head with his club and had his way with her.

 

But don't get we wrong, i have a real problem with "whoring around" (as it was called in my neck of the woods) hash marks on a bed post was not what i strived ( or is it "strove") for. 

and on another point I AM  a human being, there were and are, women that i see in my everyday life that i find attractive, and OF COURSE you get a "PING" of a thought like " Garsh, i might be purty great to do the nasty with her" but like Roger Staubach said " Look, I like sex as much as Joe Namath, i just want it with one person, my wife"

 

 

 

FINALY A REAL CANDIATE FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!

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Red_Dragon

" men want to bang every good looking broad, in every hole God gave her before getting married" 

I guess that is one way to descibe it :-)

He had my vote

meanings

Don't you find that post you just typed a little disturbing?

You know I'm not a Bible thumper, Shawn as I have no Bible with which to thump, but I have this silly notion that sex is supposed to MEAN something a little greater than a biological act.  I attach MEANING to things.   

Now, I am not saying save yourself until marriage, but I will say this: in order for me to play with something as explosive and consequential as sex, she MUST LOVE ME.  Period.  I want her to LOVE me in order for that to happen. 

"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!!  A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)

Good for you Unsane

People always think it's only in the women's best interest and men are okay to sleep around (when single) but I've seen so many men get hurt because they fall in love with the sexual fantasy of a woman.  Sex is addicting and it's better to be addicted to something that's good for you (excercise or a woman who loves you) than to something that can destroy you (materialistic gold diggers or drugs).

relations before marriage

"....in order for me to play with something as explosive and consequential as sex, she MUST LOVE ME"

Thats cool Unsane, I respect that. I am just saying saving yourself for marriage is not for everybody.

If I was still single, I find Michelle Malkin and Megyn Kelly attractive and I could care less if they loved me or even if they hated me. 

Some people prefer to play the field before marriage and some do not, there is nothing wrong with either decision

He had my vote

It's ok, shawn, you were

It's ok, shawn, you were not raised by the 'greatest generation' You are a child of the "me now" generation, you know the one with a 50%+ divorce rate. I hear men now days are much less likely to marry because the feminists have basically destroyed the family unit.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

VERY shocking!

 Well, that isn't a surprise, since you want the United States to be like the Netherlands or perhaps something out of Brave New World.  I on the other hand respect this power I have to initiate a critical process, and the incentive that exists there to initiate that process. 

No, I am not out to enforce this, but I suspect that if more people followed it...maybe there would be a little more happiness in the world.  And I would be looked at as less of a freak.  :-)

"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!!  A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)

No one is calling you a freak Unsane

.....like I said I respect your decision as Non Christian and I respect the decisions of Christians to listen the Gospel and save themselves for marriage.

I just feel it is very judgmental for people to frown on and call women that decide not wait, sluts or harletts.

He had my vote

I just feel it is very

I just feel it is very judgmental for people to frown on and call women that decide not wait, sluts or harletts. - No you feel guilty for judging people and that comes from the idiocy pounded into your head.  We should and do judge everything by some kind of standard whether we acknolege it or not.  Wake up shawn.

Some of us know what our standards for judging are and they do not waver and others such as you believe there are no standards and you flap in the wind moving to and fro with teh winds of change.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Anything, everthing goes

Shawn...EVERYTHING is judgmental to you.  And yes, I AM considered a freak.  You may have not called me that, but trust me, I am considered one.  Especially if I divulged further details, which I will not, for while there is absolutely positively nothing wrong with said details, that is a burden I alone must bear.

Once again you show that you want a world where anything goes...tell me, what exactly is the point of a larger unit called a society (or even family) if anything and everything goes? 

"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!!  A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)

Unsane the freak?

Unsane I assure you that myself or anyone I know does not find waiting for marriage, monogamy or only doing it with someone you love freakish.

As far as the details that you have not provided, I guess there are things that are better unsaid :-)

I have not stated anywhere on this thread about anything goes, I am saying there is nothing wrong with cohabitation or one night stands.

edit

I consider myself very lucky to be married to a wonderful woman, and I have no regrets to having relations before I met her, some of them I cared for deeply, some I did not get a chance to know so well. I don't wear that as a badge of honor or anything,  I am  just glad I got that out of my system before marriage.

So to answer your question, marriage is great for companionship and to spend the rest of your life with someone you love, sometimes it takes a while to find that person.

He had my vote

Perhaps it's because some

Perhaps it's because some parents aren't raising boys to be "men", rather gentlemen.

the answer is

it's cheaper to be single. there used to be a more appropriate saying but i foregot it.

why buy the cow

when you can get the milk for free?  

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Why should they?  As my

Why should they?  As my mother used to say, "Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?"  (Sorry, that was my mother, not me)

Hi Sheryl

Just a quick note, the milk is never free.

He had my vote

The Cow

I don't think "free" here necessarliy means monatary.

No wife means no responsibilities, for a wife. You can always kick a girlfriend to the curb (and I realize these days a wife also, but divorce is not cheap).

So, have your girlfriend live with you, get your milk and when it spoils throw it out--best of both worlds.

I don't in believe that last line. And as King Solomon says "A wife of noble character, who can find?"

However, when you do, there is nothing better on this side than a Proverbs 31 woman by your side.

You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?

"So, have your girlfriend

"So, have your girlfriend live with you, get your milk and when it spoils throw it out--best of both world "

Sometimes both cartons spoil at the same time. Living together first is a good idea on seeing if you are compatable with one another. So there are no bad surprises later in relationship. Many people that live together first end up getting married

He had my vote

shawn, have you seen the

shawn, have you seen the CDC's data that actually shows that divorce is more likely if the couple has cohabitated before marriage?

(emphasis added)

Divorce is more likely when women marry at a younger age (48% of brides
married before age 18 divorce in 10 years, compared to 24% married at
age 25 or later), have a lower level of education, come from a
single-parent home (12% more likely), were raped (same for all three
ethnic groups), suffer from GAD, had a child before marriage or within
7 months of the marriage, and cohabitated before marriage (18% for
non-cohabitators versus 24% for cohabitators)

You can also see the data on cohabitation leading to marriage.  It's not that great...especially for black women.

 

Yes motherbelt

I do realize the stats. Not all the people I knew that lived together that got married stayed together, same with the ones that only lived together after they got married.

It just makes sense to me, to see what you are getting yourself into prior to getting hitched.

He had my vote

Well it may make sense to

Well it may make sense to you (not that there's anything wrong with that!) and I'm sure it "makes sense" to those who do it, but  it's not working out that way.

 

Correlation is Not Causation

Statistical data only shows correlation, not causation. Therefore, saying cohabitation is a bad idea because the statistics say people who cohabitate are more likely to divorce, is a logical fallicy.

And that's before even getting into the subject of wether the statistics are even correct.

Statistics are a very weak form of evidence. Sometimes it's all we have, but I wouldn't get too excited about any argument that was based soley on statistics.

 

 

 

So I take it you are not an

So I take it you are not an AGW believer since statistics are a weak form of evidence? <sarcasm>

From a logical thought process view, when does correlation in it's own right become significant in your opinion?

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

This is really an open and shut case

Living together first is a good idea on seeing if you are compatable with one another...Many people that live together first end up getting married

And their divorce rate is hire; so no, its not better to live together first.

 

 

You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?

dvdaughtry

I told MB that I am very aware of the stats. To me its just makes sense.  You want to find out how much attention your partner gives you at home or on date. You want to find out if one is a selfish or bad lover before marriage, You want to know if the caring person you knew, will still be the same way over time or temporalily

Living together first is not for everyone, Its just my opinion that is a better option, so it is not a open and shut case.

He had my vote

The problem with opinions

The problem with opinions are that some are just plain wrong.

If you want to argue against the stats, then by all means. But there is a better way to lead into marriage than cohabitation and it's proven (thus making it open and shut). There is really not much more to discuss, except that you "feel" your opinion (already debunked) is better.

Frankly, I don't care about your opinion being it's completely contradictory to the facts (making your opinion wrong).

You are only spinning your wheels.

You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?

I'm not spinning anything

I don't look down on people that get married right away and I find nothing wrong with your opinion. I also never said or implied my opinion is better, that is just the one that I choose.

53 percent of our nation chose Barack Obama to be our President, and I do not necessary agree with that decision, but stats don't lie right?. That is sort of statistical fact is it not? I have to go to work, you have a nice day.

He had my vote

It's not about agreeing or

It's not about agreeing or disagreeing, its about what is. Obama IS the President, and cohabitation before marriage IS bad for marriage. Both statements are proven by the numbers. To agree or disagree, is not the point. This is not art; there is nothing realitive here.

If you don't like the numbers then get your own study to show that cohabitation is better. Ample support would then open up this discussion again.

I am glad to hear you are not selling your opion is better (although that is not the connatation I have read), because it is wrong.

Also, I have not offered an opinion. I am simply acknowledging the facts. In this case you do not accept them because they don't agree to your disposition (values, opinion, worldview, etc).

I'm tired of dealing with emotions.

You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?

Unfortunately, Shawn,

Unfortunately, Shawn, you appear to have bought into the idea that there are few, if any, absolutes.  You rationalize any position on a subject as a personal comfort zone and try to avoid actually taking a stand for the right of or against the wrong of something.

There really and truly are "right" and "wrong" and someone's opinion has about as much bearing on that as your "opinion" on the value of Pi - some things just are not open to a vote.

And just as an aside: spineless, wishy-washy men are nauseating and pathetic.  Not that I'm saying you are, Shawn.  I'm just saying that in general they're about as stimulating as a wet dish-rag.

What makes a man admirable and attractive is someone who has standards, not just opinions, and lives by them.  Like President George W. Bush.  You may not like him but then most of his critics are rendered uncomfortable because he dared to take a stand and keep his word no matter what direction the winds of public opinion were blowing. 

Me - "The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years.  The cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil."

these days marriage is not

these days marriage is not clarified as the loving commitment that it is - requiring dedication and partnership

it's sold more as a fun thing to do - and easy to quit once the easy initial romance fades away

the RCC has a phenominal marriage-support program called Retrovaille 

Dominate education now 

You said it Helen!

It's not just with this subject -but liberalism has said there is no right and wrong (except it's wrong to be anything but liberal) To liberals there is only gray.  They are so intolerant and myopic of anything that isn't gray. Conservatives see White Black and Gray - just because there are inbetweens doesn't mean there's no right and wrong.  People make mistakes and you can forgive and accept in the Gray zone but you don't strive for a gray zone - it's crazy. 

I agree about the spineless wishy washy men too.  The spineless ones are really a lot meaner and disrespectful to women too.  You'd think it would be the other way around but it's not.  I guess it's because they are so insecure.  Look at Clinton & how he treats women.  It's typical of liberal wishy washy men.  

 

Still at it?

Come on! Now you are on the "compatable" cliche. Give it a rest Shawn. No woman will ever be compatable with your horsehair and daipers fetish.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

Oh Hi JWF.

I have not heard from you since you predicted a huge msm backlash and McCain Reagan style landslide

"Come on! Now you are on the "compatable" cliche. Give it a rest Shawn.
No woman will ever be compatable with your horsehair and daipers
fetish."

Pretty weak material JWF, I have heard better from you. btw I have been married for the past 10 years.

He had my vote

it was a joke buddy

Either I laugh or I cry or I pick on teh Shawnmiester.

I knew it was joke JWF

I can't deny how witty and clever  it was saying I have a  diaper or horsehair fetish, I was just pointing out I have heard better material :-)

He had my vote

Thanks, sheryl...that was

Thanks, sheryl...that was my thought exactly.

There are no incentives for a man to be married any more.

What do they have to look forward to?  A woman who, if the marriage doesn't work, out will bleed him dry and deny him access to his kids?

And here, in a nutshell is my opinion on why women in their 30's are especially having trouble finding "eligible" men who want to get married:

Women in their 20's want to work on their careers; they don't want to be tied down in a marriage.  So they just have sex without marriage..a lot of times with guys in their 30's.   Guys like this.  Then that woman hits her thirties and starts feeling the old tick-tock and now wants to get married.

But guess what??  Most of the "eligible" men are busy having sex with the new crop of twenty-somethings who aren't interested in marriage.

It's called being hoist on ones own petard.

I don't know if this is one theory in this author's book, since I didn't click  on the link, but I think it's at least one fair assessment.

 

 

Been there, you are

Been there, you are absolutely correct there is nothing in it for them except to be treated like a credit card or check book.  However, both males and females are equally to blame for the current situation as far as personal relationships are concerned. Searching for a lifetime "partner" needs to be done more objectively than haphazardly.   

IMO, the real issue is meddling by local government officials.  The DC and Maryland are particularly onerous in this regard.  Have an argument with your wife, find out how fast you are on the street for disagreeing with her.  One poster spoke to the rather unmanly cowering he saw, I won't copy the exact words.  If you can't have a disagreement without someone pushing the nuclear button getting you into all kinds of legal hassles, then why bother?

From my experience the churches in the DC area are mostly unsupportive of males, it's all about female victimization in the attempt for pastors to stay "relevant" to the times.  The male is told to put up with all kinds of bad immature childish behavior and only lead by setting the example.  Yeah, right!  Doesn't work that way. If you can't have a frank conversation how someone's actions or words negatively impact you or the family for fear of offending their feelings you are in a no win situation.  Then we have idiots like Gary Smalley telling people even if your partner refuses to support the marriage, one person can keep the marriage together.  Wow, talk about fanatical idiocy!  So not only are you stuck in a relationship with a person who has no vested interest in behaving like a partner, will drop kick you at the first opportune moment, financially rape you, use your kids via legalized kidnapping to extract monthly ransom demands called child support, leave you homeless by taking the house, then on top of that you are made to feel guilty for not saving the marriage.  Right!  I'll stop now before I tell you how I really feel about so called marital counselors.

Judges, lawyers and the whole cadre of so called Family Law minions only have a vested interest in breaking up families and following the PC edict of the only viable parent is a female.  As a result, visitation rights as specified under court orders are rarely enforced and only after spending tens of thousands of dollars on lawyer's fee in contempt hearings.  If you think children of divorce don't see this horror show, then someone needs to have their heads examined.  Kids talk to kids and it is reinforced that marriage is a dead end hassle for males, end of story.

The bottom line is for marriage to make a come back in this country, a couple of things have to happen.  One number is personal responsibility, choose your mate wisely and deliberately and don't be afraid to drop kick them at the first hint your gut says something's wrong.  Second, legal reform, outlaw Socialism, demand accountability of judges and their cadre of blood sucking minions.  Putting children first means, actually giving a crap about children instead of reducing their care to a financial calculation intended only to finance the whims of irresponsible immature so called adults.  Half of all child abuse in this country is perpetrated by the hand picked custodial parents, i.e. PC judges.  Legal reform means kicking judges and any of their cadre out of the family law system if their actions/choices leads to child abuse.  Any family law offical whose decision leads to the death of a child MUST BE stripped of their immunity and prosecuted at minimum for manslaughter or depraved indifference.  See how fast these people start giving a crap about kids if that kind of reform is done.

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

this touches on a greatly ignored topic - self-love

The Bible teaches that men and women feel a constant need for union with each other - and God - a consequence of our separation in the Garden of Eden

but this union requires love of self - before a loving union of others is even possible

the teaching of lust, self-obsession, and other immorality in general has overtaken the teaching of self-love

drug abuse, sexual perversions, greed, indulgence, idol worship - these are not acts of self-love - most of our problems stem from self-obsession, self-indulgence - instead of self-love

hence the primary commandment: if we would love God with all our heart and love our neighbor as ourselves -  everthing would be just fine

http://achristian.wordpress.com/2006/12/11/why-does-the-bible-say-to-love-yourself/

Dominate education now 

Absolutely correct TM, how

Absolutely correct TM, how can you even fulfill the commandment of Love your neighbor as yourself, if you don't love yourself?  If a person can't do that, how in the world can they be married?  What we have are two single people living as singles under the same roof, that's not a union but a grouping.

Matt 22:  36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

What the Bible taught was based on the understood unspoken givens of society.  Notice the progression: Love God > Love Self > Love Neighbor.

Libs have done so much damage to the culture that many people don't even realize what love is or where it begins. Love is not giving stuff to others. A society filled with guilt ridden, self loathing, self obsessed people or those who are best described as pathological can hardly be expected to love their neighbors, now can they?  This why I say there are some people totally incompatible with the concept of marriage and should be barred from engaging in it lest they screw other people up. 

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

i do concur dscott - the

i do concur dscott - the answers to every single one of our problems are right there in this commandment

so who in their right mind would have anything against love?!?!

we know who it is of course:)

Dominate education now 

As do I

When liberals whine about the Commandments being displayed in schools or court houses,ext. I aways ask them "well witch one do you NOT agree with". They alway respond with something like, I dont need any religion telling me what to do. Where in I ask them again "well witch one do you NOT agree with"? 

These should be none seculur, a guidence for morality in life, if you will.

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

phooey

What garbage the world can come up with when it is not grounded in biblical standards. The "Darwinian Dating" premise is stupid, since they are not producing any offspring. I've been reading the stories in this site and most of the women feel compelled to go against their innermost beliefs and maternal desires because their boyfriends aren't father material or say "get rid of it." My opinion as to why young men (and women) aren't getting married:

  • No moral compass: "if it feels good, do it"
  • No consequenses for promiscuous behavior
  • No expectation to be responsible and "grow up" until 30yo
  • No reverence for the sanctity of life: "get rid of it"
  • The emasculating of men by feminazis
  • The shunning of femininity by women in favor of a careers

I'm not going to debate the morals or fornication or abortion

but I will quickly touch on this comment.

"The shunning of femininity by women in favor of a careers"

Just what do you expect women to do, if you they want to support and feed themselves, wait for a man to rescue them or be self reliant?

He had my vote

a career is fine

It's bringing children into the world and handing them over to strangers 8 hours a day because you find a career more fulfilling than motherhood that she was referring to. Motherhood is a career. If you try to have 2 careers at the same time there is going to be a shortfall somewhere.

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

well choselife3x

Unless the husband makes close to $100,000 per year, it is very hard to have a single familiy income these days, children can be very expensive.

How about the single mothers that chose life? How do they support their children without a career?

edit

Would it be better for them to rely on the government like a liberal?

He had my vote

Shawn, I don't make near

Shawn, I don't make near that much, but we manage. My wife stays home and we are expecting our 2nd child in March. We have a modest house (smallest house on smallest lot in our neighborhood), two cars (both paid for and over 10 yrs old), one TV with basic cable, internet access, and two cell phones. Compare with a friend of mine. They have a huge house with a decked out media room. They bought two new SUVs when their first child was born, and a third after their second child (this one a sports model for weekend drives without the kids). A TV in every room and a satellite package with all the extras. They both also have debt from previous marriages. They both work because they claim they have to. But really, they've decided how they want to live and what is most important to them. Just like my wife stays home because of what is most important to us.

Living on a single income is not hard. Deciding to live on a single income is hard. Responsibility is even harder. Those that have never had to be repsonsible for themselves typically don't want to be responsible for anyone else (especially a spouse and kids). For those that have taken on such responsibilities, they think more money will make those responsibilities easier to bear (such is the case with my friend above). But the only thing that will make your responsibilities easier is prioritization. Some things must come before others. Once you have decided how you will live your life, raise your family, then actually living becomes easier, whether it's on one income or two.

AMEN, sdb!! I used to

AMEN, sdb!!

I used to listen to Dr. Laura years ago.  Her theory was that you decide what is important (e.g. having Mom at home with the kids) and then you make your plans around that.  You choose your house, your car, your spending around that decision!  You don't go out and buy a $300,000 house and a couple of cars and then have kids and decide that you need two paychecks to keep it all up.

When my daughter was little, I was an at-home Mom.  I had to pick her up at a Catholic school every day.  I had other women tell me how "lucky" I was that I could stay home.  The fact is that we gave up things (e.g. we sold our boat, for one thing) so that I could stay home. These were women with "careers" who picked up their kids in Mercedes' and BMW's, had large houses with big yards and pools.  We lived in a 1600 sq. ft house with a small yard and no pool. 

If I were to say that they were lucky to be living such a luxurious life, they would complain that they had to bust their butts to keep it all.  You don't know how tempted I was to say then why don't you downsize so you can stay home??? 

 

mb..

I actually got in more than one argument with a sibling and a (now ex) best friend over this subject. 

Should never call it luck.  I believe that is what Dr. L used to say.  I havent listened to her since my kids were itty bitty.

 

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Hi SDB

I do not live in a big house and I also own 2 cars that are paid for. I admit I love eating out, big screen tv's, cable and gadgets. I am not even going to include those, and I will share my monthy bills with you and you tell me If I should cut any of these expenses to have my wife  at home.

  • $2900 mortgage pmt
  • $100 auto insurance"2 cars"
  • $380 medical insurance "whole family"
  • $300 life insurance 2 people
  • $500 Roth IRA for 2  people
  • $100 Piano lessons for kid
  • $300 gas "45 minute" commute 2 people
  • $380 groceries.

That is $4960 per month and $59520 per year not including any fun expense ie vacations and eating out. So unless I cut out things like life insurance and retirement savings, my wife has to work

He had my vote

$2,900.00 mortgage???

For "not a big house". The first thing you should do is get the hell out of Cali. Damn!

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

Morning R1

Before the housing crises, half a million dollars could not buy a decent size townhouse in a decent neighborhood in N Cali.

He had my vote

Ouch, Shawn. That has to

Ouch, Shawn. That has to hurt!

Reading that makes me happy that I live in Pa, where the housing prices are the exct opposite as Cali!!!

 

Hi Shawn

We also live in Southern Cal and I can say that it is VERY difficult to live here without two incomes.  That said, my son and daughter in law just relocated to Oklahoma (after renting one-bedroom apartments here for over 1500.0 a month) and were able to buy a very nice three bedroom (brand new) model home there.  She is able to stay home with their son and the difference for them is like night and day.  I realize not every job offers the opportunity for relocation, but it is definately something to consider when you think about what is at stake. (Your family and kids)

HI Sheryl

I have not even though of relocating from N Cali. Earthquakes and all :-) I would not be as happy living in Oklahama.

He had my vote

Yep I would get the heck

Yep I would get the heck out of dodge if I were you.  That's $200 more than our mortgage and we bought as far away from Seattle as possible while still being in the same county! Of course our home is 3bdrm/3ba.  - something that would cost an easy $650K-$850K (esp with the land we have) in the city proper .  Of course my husband spends 2 hrs in the vanpool everyday so there are tradeoffs.

Other than that your bills are quite strikingly similar to ours.  Except with three teens our food bill is about $850.  We dine out about once a month or when tips are really good. (which isnt often anymore).  And no piano lessons.  Our kids all play, but they learned in public school (flute, percussion & trumpet).  Tack on college savings (goal is 16k - per kid and that will pay for half.  The rest will have to be up to them).  That's pretty much the entire reason I work.

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Hi katainkent

I forget to actually include heating and saving for college for one person. I still have 10 yrs to go....lol.

I would love to have my wife stay at home, but it is just not practical. I found the day cares that she stayed at before she started kindergarden was wonderful. It was actually a Christian daycare and they taught her very good manners and she enjoyed the time that she was there

I really do not find that if a couple want to enjoy life and want to take nice vacations  it is greedy in any way. 

He had my vote

well I figure after they

well I figure after they all move out we'll still have a good 20+ or so years ahead of us to vacation and  play.  Not to mention all the time we had previous to them being around.  I have every intention of seeing Scotland/Ireland & Portugal (my roots, so to speak) before I kick it :)

Four round trips around the country (about once every 3 yrs) has proven to be about as much family vaca as we can handle. Thanks to the USN our kids have probably gotten to see more of the US than most.

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Jeezus, Shawn, no wonder you are so stressed out!

LOL-Dayem, I'd be near suicidal if I were facing that every month.  :-O

-Dave

Did this country just elect Obama/Biden, or was it Soros/Ayers?

Hiya Dave

Naw, not too stressed out. The reason is because both of us work and we have a double income.

If I had to pay the bills myself, I probably would be suicidal ;-)

He had my vote

Question

Not to be nosy...but why not cut out, instead of life insurance and retirement savings, things like vacations, eating out, big screens, gadgets, and cable? 

When life truly sucked for me last year, I did without cable.  I needed to.  For instance, when the Spurs won the championship in 2007, I watched it not from the comfort of my home, but from a bar.   

"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!!  A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)

Good morning Unsane

I have life insurance because conservatives say plan for the future and be responsible right? I have retirement savings because conservatives say I should not rely on the government right? lol. So next time you say I am a leftist freeloader.....

I figure since I am being responsible I can afford to splurge on myself. I pay off my credit cards in full every month, I don't have a gambling problem, I don't blow money at the bar. I have waited a year before buying the Playstation 3 that is long enough :-) 

He had my vote

Budgeting

Like so many Leftists, you live a conservative life and don't even know it...

Life is still a bit rough, hence I tossed out the purchase of beer after awhile, and eating out is kept to a bare minimum.  I am only gradually upgrading the computer.  And so on.   

"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!!  A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)

Well Unsane

I hope 2009 will be a much happier and successful year for you. Maybe you won't be such a angry person all the time :-)

He had my vote

Never mistake frustration for anger

Angry?  No...

Frustrated?  YES!!!!!!!!!! 

"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!!  A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)

 How about the single

 How about the single mothers that chose life? How do they support their children without a career?

How about not banging in the first place?????? I know this is a way out idea. be prepared to take responsibity for your actions. these are the same people who think a baby is a punishment right? 

 

 

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Red_Dragon

Well they should still be commended for choosing life should they not?

He had my vote

Responsibility

Is a little bit more then just a big word. Seems half the people want none of it and the other half fully support them. 

 

Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

shawn!

hiya!

been married for 17 yrs now.  I was an at-home mom for 14.5 of those years.  My husband was Navy enlisted and we lived pretty darn close to the poverty level for most of it.  The top priority in our life was that our children not get 'farmed out' to someone else to be raised.  We never used public assistance and we never had to borrow from anyone. Now with all the kids in school I work part time so we can start putting money away for their college.  I work in the wee hrs of the morning while my husband sees them off to school and I am here in the afternoon to help with homework, errands and after school stuff.

Its all about priorities.We did it simply by making the choice to make it work so with a lot of careful and sensible planning we were able to make it work.

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kata... My hats off to

kata...

My hats off to you and your hubby. Although you may not have all the fancy gizmos that everyone craves in todays society, you have the most important, and the most valuable, old timey gizmo ever... you have family and a sense of real purpose in life. God bless you!

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For katainkent

Coming from a military family myself - I understand totally.  When I was 3 and 13, I remember well my father being shipped off to Korea.  Not to mention things not necessarily being easy for us financially.  But they (and I) got by and survived and thrived.  Now my parents live much more comfortably.  Of course, I submit that is because their nest is now empty, and I am no longer a teenager with a voracious, unending appetite :-).   

My mother did both - she stayed at home with us kids, and when we got old enough for day care (I remember going to day care at 3-4 years old), she worked. 

"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!!  A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)

We did it too...I'm a

We did it too...I'm a 20-year AF spouse!  When I look at pictures now when our boys were little, I think wow, we were poor!!  But you know, my boys say they never felt poor at the time! 

 

Motherbelt

Indeed.  I could care less about such things when I was a kid.  I got plenty of toys and other goodies from my parents.  It was a good childhood.  And I am under no illusions that I drove my parents nuts!

And, as you know, there is no childhood like a brat childhood, especially when you live overseas. 

"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!!  A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)

Beginning to enjoy the posts

Beginning to enjoy the posts back and forth....maybe I can interject my two cents worth....didn't get married until I was 31, after receiving an honorable d/c from the military, started college and began dating for three months....married my spouse thereafter, together had a beautiful baby girl who's now 4.  Sure there were times when I wished I was single again but then I look at my daughter's eyes and it takes me back to why I married in the first place.  Don't get me wrong...being married has its stresses...but so far we're managing. My spouse and I both work and we make decent wages, enough to make our family life sustainable.  Now I can honestly say I am grateful to be married as we enter our tenth year anniversary the day after Christmas. 

sf... ...and may you both

sf...

...and may you both have many, many, more wonderful years together...

Nothing is easy, including marriage at times.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

coming from you, bt, thank

coming from you, bt, thank you!

Nothing is easy, including

Nothing is easy, including marriage - Nah its really easy if I remember the words Yes dear and you are right dear and right away dear.  Its easy.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

shawn, didn't see your response till now,

I was busy taking care of my three small children while my husband is out providing for us all. And cleaning our 1500 square foot house. Priorities.

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

Irony

Just what do you expect women to do, if you they want to support and feed themselves, wait for a man to rescue them or be self reliant?

You didn't answer the question. Married mothers are irrelevent to the question of what never-married women are supposed to do when they're not married yet.

 Here's my story:  I never wanted a "career."  I got a job when I graduated from college so I could put a roof over my head without sucking on the government teat. This seemed like a good idea at the time.

You know what?  Men who want to get married don't like self-reliant women.  They don't want to be a partner, they want to be a white knight.  When I tell men what I do for a living, they leave skid marks.  Men who aren't immediately spooked leave when they realized I made more money than they did--except the ones who thought they could play video games all day while I paid their way through life and did their laundry besides; you wouldn't let that kind of man marry your daughter so you understand why I didn't accept that either.

I'm not sure what I was supposed to do different, other than be an airhead.

I would have gladly chucked software to raise children (I hate software), but no one ever wanted to give me a chance.

Heather...

'Tis a shame you never met me then.  I need - require - a woman with a brain and the willingness to use it.  I also love the idea of one who can get along perfectly well on her own, simply because I am expected to do so, after all.   

"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!!  A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)

If it ain't broke don't fix it

Call me an old fogey (even though I'm only 29), but I believe the biblical model is best: girls stay home under the protection and provision of their family until marriage. This is the whole point of the "giving away" of the bride in the traditional marriage ceremony. I struck out on my own during college and had the independance that seems to be required by society. That was a scary time and I was vulnerable to many nasty elements of the world. I did get married to my high school sweetie soon after I realized that scene was not for me, and finished my schooling under the protection and provision of my husband.

Idealism

Well, your model sounds great for a predominantly agrarian world where everyone monolithically agrees on ONE book for a moral code.  Unfortunately for you this is not the world of today.   

"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!!  A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)

unsane

Well, your model sounds great for a predominantly agrarian world where everyone monolithically agrees on ONE book for a moral code.  Unfortunately for you this is not the world of today.   

First, please enlighten me as to how agriculture relates to the subject at hand.

Second, the Bible pre-dates books, and its moral code is profoundly and undeniably significant in the creation of the current civilization in which you now dwell. It's your choice to believe it, but please don't diminish its importance.

Third, Judeo-Christians do not hold a monopoly on the concept of chastity and monogamous, heterosexual marriage. Most other cultures ascribe to the same concept.

Lastly, "..as for me and my house, we will serve the lord." Joshua 24:15.

Well, allow me to retort!

See, in industrial societies, traditional marriages such as what you describe DO happen, but are rarer than in agricultural ones.  You seem to ache for a bygone age.  If you choose to do so, great; just don't be shocked if not all agree or want to. 

I sure would love to see where I diminished the importance of the Bible.  If you believe in it, fine.  I choose not to, nor any other book as such.

Third, Judeo-Chriatians do not hold a monopoly on the concept of chastity and monogamous, heterosexual marriage. Most other cultures ascribe to the same concept.  On this we can agree and was my only point.  You seemed to be saying that there was a Biblical monopoly on the concept. 

Lastly: "You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice, if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice; you can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill, I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose freewill." - Neil Peart


"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!!  A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)

Well bully for you

And those of us who didn't have a "high school sweetie" because we were too busy learning are supposed to do what?

Am I consigned?

Great point, Heather.  I have no high school sweetheart or a college sweetheart or a sweetheart at all.  Does this mean I am consigned to perpetual bachelorhood? 

"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!!  A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)

You nailed it on the head

Ginagwen7
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

And now, today's Shrub

And now, today's Shrub Report®:

 

Why hasn't Congress scheduled hearings, dragging oil company execs in to question them about the horrific drop in gas prices, causing a calamitous decrease of tax revenue, ruining city, county, and state budgets left and right? Outrage!

Happy World Toilet Day!

The most sensible solution to this growing problem in England? Two words.

Thank God this P.O.S. fossil lost. Regardless of party, scum like him should not be in office.

The Black Pearl goes bye-bye

The Hopeful Changer proves, yet again, he has his elbow firmly on the pulse of America. Lose your house? Can't afford Spam? Too bad, because we have an imaginary windmill to tilt at! Interestingly, it was 145 years ago today that Obama gave a speech at Gettysburg. At least Ahhhhhnold agrees with his fellow immigrant. Perhaps committing to stupid things like this might be contributing to Kalifornia's $23,000,000,000 shortfall. Obama does resemble Lincoln, though. At least we all know his wife is a psychotic nutjob.…

NB's own A Beautiful Person is in the news!

Jabba gets thrown off the bench. Or was it Sally Struthers?

Today's Culture of Corruption Update.

I hope they didn't let her do the parking…

And, finally, Twilight opens on Friday.

Good morning Rog

I am looking forward to opening of Twilight as well. In your picture for the opening of Twilight, can you tell me who is the bloodsucking vampire?

He had my vote

Obviously, the one in back.

Obviously, the one in back. The one ni front just wishes to be like the one in the back :)

Since I am not a teenage girl, I will not be giong to see that movie.

 

They really need the money folks,

If this isn't a slap in the face of taxpayers, I don't know what is.

"This liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

Drudge has a story today of

Drudge has a story today of how the Obama inauguration may bankrupt D.C.

I heard they are going to set up JumboTrons along the mall.... another first.  Everyone must have a chance to view the Messiah.

Well no expense is too great, I guess.

and The Fabulously Fit New First Couple

Does anyone remember the grief President Bush took....people suggesting he should get off the treadmill and do his job? Now they are enthralled by a guy who spends 3 hours in the gym.

These "journalists"  really make me ill.

Fabulously fit

I shudder to think what MO's backside might morph into if she doesn't keep up that exercise regimen.

Mother

I don't like to rain on anyone's parade but I am hoping they have the same weather that Pres. Reagan had on one of his. The temperature was near 0 with winds of about 20 mph. The reason I remember was the Lincolnton (NC) HS band was invited. They had to play for him in  a large hall. The kids rasied a lot of money to go and didn't get to march.

YOU CAN KEEP "THE CHANGE" PALIN 2012

Q: Why aren't young men

Q: Why aren't young men getting married?

A: Just watch MTV for an hour. Why would they have to?

it's the "me" affect

What a one sided report. It's not just men who are avoiding marriage but women too. It's what I call the "me" affect. There is no incentive to get married but there are plenty of reasons not to. Divorce rate is nearly 50 percent. People see friends having 3 week old marriages and getting it annulled. People see couples in bad marriages, broke, with unruly kids. Church is no longer the social glue that once held a community together. People are pulling away from the old teachings and embracing "new age" religions. Most families are two income and very busy which leads to fatigue suffered by the family unit. People talk but no one communicates. They don't listen to one another.

Just look at the fabric of society and you will see a huge increase in aggression towards one another. Aggressive drivers, costumers talking on cell phones and ignoring the cashier who is trying to do their job. Someone is short a dollar to buy food and has to take a loaf of bread back while the person behind them just gets angry that the line is moving too slow. No one holds a door open for a young mother with a baby buggy at the mall. No one helps the little old lady to her car when the parking lot is ice covered. No one HELPS!

Why should we expect any difference for the institute of marriage?

 

Never under estimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

Jackie---

"Never under estimate the power of stupid people in large groups."

 

Amen!

There are many reasons why

There are many reasons why but I'm a single male in my mid 20s who still believes in marriage. In fact I would like to be married but I've come to find if I don't have a good relationship with God first, how am I ever going to keep a marriage going? I think the biggest reason marriages fail and people don't seek marriage anymore is because of how God has been taken out of the equation.

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"There is no problem, I tell you, no matter how difficult it is, that we can not resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary." -Sister Lucia

Easy question to answer here

     As an over the hill dinosaur that has an appreciation for the finer things in a woman, it would have to be something realy really special, to be a young man in 2008 and want to get married. Women are equals now, more young women in Universities than men. If I have to believe what I see on T V, women are dying to give it away, and boy, you better be good, or I'm gonna tell everyone on the planet.if you're not! "Girls Kick ass" I saw that on a car bumber, and the first thing that came to my mind was, I really want to meet that chick. Yeah right! If you are a young man in todays world, and you can get the milk free, without buying the cow, well....be patient and maybe eventually you will be mature enough to make the decision later on if you think you have found the right person. 

Thoughts from another generation--- by Misterbill

I was educated in a Christian school. Twelve years. I started "going with" my wife in junior year. I lived in a world that frowned on sex outside of marriage. I also, and this is very important, lived in a world where it was difficult for two young people with raging hormones to find the privacy to release the pent up emotions. When any of my male older sibs or my peers  got the opportunity and then got their girl friends pregnant, they got married. Many of us were far too young and too immature. Nonetheless, many of those marriages survived.

We wanted change and we granted change to our children. We did not agree with the rigidity of our parents rules.

To save a lot of space and wasted words, I will summarize by saying that if I were to be young and out dating in today's world, I would not have any interest in marriage. I would not want a long term relationship until I was in my mid to late thirties. Everything I see in today's world caters to or panders to sexual desires and fantasies. The young women of today do not have the same sense of shame or modesty and respect for themselves that their mothers and grandmothers had. How can you blame them?? Look at what they see and hear, not only in the  entertainment world, but in our schools and homes on TV.

I have been divorced and I am married a second time for over thirty years. I would have no life should anything happen to separate my wife and me. Perhaps trial and error without the formal bonds of marriage is a better thing than children and divorce.

Please, please do not take my comments as judgments. They are merely observations. I have no answers. Had I been born in 1963 instead of 1933, I am sure I would have a more open attitude about sex and relationships than I do today.

 

P.S. I am and always have been pro-life. I am not anti-contraception. Children should be wanted and loved. Hopefully, they would be raised by the same loving couple that created them.

It's hypocritical for libs

It's hypocritical for libs to question the reasons young men aren't getting married.  They should be celebrating the fact.  This is also why it's hypocritical for gays to want to have their relationships sanctioned as marriages.

These neo-darwinist, post-modern humanists are supposed to be for an androgynous society in which the old fashioned mores, like marriage, family, church etc. are are eradicated and replaced with some sort of post-traditionialist society.

But, then these people are Libs and as such are hypocrites.  They hate religion, but they want everyone's religion to accept their beliefs.  They hate monogamy and marriage, yet they want to get married.  They hate tax cuts, yet they run for office promising tax cuts.  And on and on it goes.... They're fools, liars and hypocrites.

Just recently, within the

Just recently, within the past few weeks, I saw a segment on the local news about "dating" trends - or not - in college.  It seems that college students, mainly women perhaps?, used to want a steady boyfriend and a relationship in college with marriage to happen during or just after college.  

That appears to no longer be the case.  Even among women, the idea of settling for a steady boy-friend is "so yesterday!" and the idea of just randomly hooking-up is the way to go.

This may partly contribute to the men not having to promise fidelity, commitment, or any other burdensomely adult responsibility in order to score.

It would appear that protracted adolescence (more play time, "it's all about me" way of thinking) is not restricted to the men. 

Me - "The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years.  The cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil."

Anyone have trouble yesterday?

Can someone tell me if they had trouble trying to get in here yesterday, let alone just trying to click a comment without the screen turning to gray/blank all afternoon yesterday...besides me and Ct that I know of, what was the problem...does anyone know, or was it just us?

I would like to know if it is anything on my end...know what I mean... Thanks.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

me too

I had the same problems bt

yup same problem.

I switched over to Google Chrome for awhile and it seemed to cure the problem.

member of the Conservative Independant Witness Protection Program since Nov. 5, 2008

Hi kat...what is google

Hi kat...what is google chrome?

All of my other sites ect worked just fine btw...just NBs from my side of the aisle.

I even scanned my whole PC last night, took two and a half hours...lol.

Anybody at the top know what the problem may have been?

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

hey bt

google's answer to IE

mozilla firefox also works in a pinch when IE is being a pita

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Hey Kat... thanks so

Hey Kat...

thanks so much...got it saved, going to look into it very soon.

By the way...does anyone know what CTF files stand for and are?

When I did the scanning last night, the only prob that came up were some mozilla/firefox files/or links...I was was wondering if it had to do with the problem here yesterday, wished I was more PC savvy, everything I have learned has been from others here at NBs from the beginning helping me along the way...thank goodness.

Btw...also what does MOS stand for PC wise?

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

uh-oh, first signs of the

uh-oh, first signs of the Fairness (censorship) Doctrine? Yesterday, no problems from my end though...

Orbis non Suffici 

bt... I think it was a

bt...

I think it was a conspiracy... ;-)

American Communist Education - Special Edition w/Video

 

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LOL Ct... Had to

LOL Ct...

Had to be...just had to be!

Seriously though, I want to learn all I can, or better put, all I can understand/comprehend when it comes to this wonderful machine.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Why am I loved only when I'm gone?

As some of you know, my looking for a Mrs. Unsane has been very painful and frustrating.   In order to first get married, you must at least date every so often. 

Yes, I realize that being an aspiring academic, shackled by many different obsessive devotions that aren't necessarily conducive to social interaction, hampers things quite a bit.  But there are nonetheless things I do where I interact with people at large. Nonetheless, it is very difficult to accomplish. 

The poster above (whose name escapes me) who talked about the scene in DC doesn't surprise me.  I hated DC when I visited the place and found people there to be more rude and hostile than even NYC.  I would HATE to live there much less enter "the scene" there. 

In the meantime, as I jokingly tell my parents (who I suspect are convinced I am destined for perpetual bachelorhood), what can I get out of marriage?  I am too independent: I cook and clean and manage everything on my own.  Hell, maybe I am too set in my ways for it.  

"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!!  A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)

Always choose wisely

Choose wisely period.  I really hope to not go that route - to me it smacks of desperation.   

And it doesn't hurt that, as a good friend of mine of the female persuasion once told me (she lacked any tact and that was one reason I valued her opinion): "You are totally retarded when it comes to women."

"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!!  A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)

Submit to the

Submit to the cold calculating logic of the computer.  <sarcasm> Think of it as the old days when match makers and parents did the choosing, but much more objective. Weed out the obviously incompatible ones without wasting your time, emotions and frustration. Why stub your toes on the wrong ones until you might possibly stumble on the right one via serendipity when you can walk straight there without having to hop in circles with sore toes? Why end up with possibly settling when you can have a choice of the right one?

Seriously Unsane, as a person who has gone through divorce, you don't want to make the wrong choice.

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

Could somebody tell me what

Could somebody tell me what that little multi-squared box is at the end of all the pages, at the very bottom on the left?

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

a view counter of sorts,

Hey dscott...thanks so

Hey dscott...thanks so much...

I thought about clicking the box...was afraid to after not being able to get on here yesterday...lol.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Hovering over it gives a

Hovering over it gives a URL that suggests it monitors traffic (hits) on the site.

"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"

Howdy BuffnBone... I

Howdy BuffnBone...

I thank you also...I just noticed this today, so I was very curious.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

bt,

LOL-Its an Obama spybot.

Its in here.....watching us.  :-O

-Dave

Did this country just elect Obama/Biden, or was it Soros/Ayers?

Brent Bozell on Hannity soon.

I just heard on Hannity that Brent is going to be on his show sometime soon...don't know if it the up-coming hour or next...just thought I would let some of you know.

I caught him this morning on F&F...

Dow down 425 or so today...into the 7000 numbers now...like I said awhile back when asked on some blog post, I just don't think it will hit bottom until it gets around 7500 somewhere.

Just my opinion.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

BT, 7500 is my estimate as

BT, 7500 is my estimate as well based on the recent history of the DOW over the last 12 years.  CAVEAT: the bottom will be much lower IF Obama and the Dems actually carry out even half the foolishness they mindlessly babble about. 

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

Wow dscott...same here, I

Wow dscott...same here, I told my husband about ten to twelve years ago now that I felt the numbers were false, that 7500 is what I felt was more of a realistic number in my opinion, I used to watch it a lot more closely ect, I am no wizard like Noel is and others ect...but this has been a long time coming for the real correction in my opinion.

I learned a lot about politics ect from watching the stock market shows, still do.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Well BT, it seems we are

Well BT, it seems we are within striking distance of 7500, http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=^DJI BUT... is this the bottom? We haven't been this low since July 2002 by the end of that recession and we really haven't been officially in this one until Dec 2008 (will be called in Jan 2009 when they announce the #s).  Looking at the S&P 500, I see PE's haven't been this low since 1980.  Checking the PEs of the DOW 30, I was shocked to see they have fallen drastically since I looked two months ago, the S&P 500 pretty much tracks with the DOW 30 and so if the S&P 500 valuations are at 1980 levels, the DOW 30 would drop to around 1000. 

I believe my caveat still stands, IF Dems do as they promise I think we will be testing new lows because PE valuations are dropping significantly.

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

Hi dcott... Yeah...I

Hi dcott...

Yeah...I posted about this today on Paul Detrick's thread...no I think we are off by what is going to happen in congress now, Waxman beat Dingell out for the Chair of energy and commerce...this is very bad for all of us, not just wall street...but all business that have anything to so with the environment, rules regulations ect....the Big 3...

No dscott...I think it is going to go far below what we thought, I had thought maybe by Dec. it would rebound after hitting bottom to around 9000 or so...

It is not looking good anywhere dscott...people are pulling out their money, secret votes for unions, new taxes on the top money makers, spreading the wealth alright...

I am so disguted today...I cannot believe what all is going to happen in the foreseeable future...and it doesn't look good.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Government Sponsored Research

Hey, you're answering your own question by giving away information for free that the government would be willing to spend millions in grant money to find out.

Men are pigs. They'll do anything that lets them. Why make a commitment when you can get it without one? I live in a college town and if some coed offered it up to me for free I'd have trouble turning it down and I'm a married man. (I would, but I'd at least savor the moment.) Let me repeat men are pigs.

Did I say men are pigs yet? Oh, and women aren't much better. Have you watched Desperate Housewives? Shining examples of virtue for our daughters. And those writers don't make that stuff up. I've known women that acted like that.

You'll have to check out the government funded (even though the author claims no government money was spent on it, but they work for a university so at the very least government scholarship money pays their salaries.) research that found that fat women get lots of sex. The authors didn't know why. I told them for free: low self-esteem. Just study Leykis 101. Why do we waste money on stuff with obvious answers? Why are people poor? Duh, they aren't working.

Hell, I can't even afford a girlfriend anymore...

...much less an actuall wife.  :-(

-Dave

Did this country just elect Obama/Biden, or was it Soros/Ayers?

Geez, where is everybody? Is there a sale at Penney's?

-Dave

Did this country just elect Obama/Biden, or was it Soros/Ayers?

I'm here Dave!!!

Just taking me awhile to get caught up. :) 

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

Folks, MM has to share this...

with everyone! 

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Mighty... ...Fresh tears

Mighty...

...Fresh tears coming down my cheeks...

....Thank You....

I saved, will be passed on...beautiful.

...and yet we have this going on...read this and I hope others are as furious as I was...

I Pledge Allegiance...to the Flag....

Town Divisible....where is the msm on this outrage....look where they make the kids go to say the Pledge, and when they do this.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

BT, can't tell you how many times I have played this!

...very inspiring! And we thought ALL the kids were lost to liberalism! (at least those in public schools)

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

NO, I don't think all kids

NO, I don't think all kids are lost to liberalism intentionally aimed at the kids for over 40 years now...but they are gaining MM...it makes one weep.

Did you read the link I have above to what they are doing to the kids in public schools in a part of Connecticut...just to say the Pledge? Where they have to go, how out of the way it is...plus they do this during play time....

Plus how some of the parents feel...

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

cracks me up BT...

How the teachers dont want to turn the kids in to free thinkers, but prefer they are single minded, in their liberal views.  

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

MM... Free thinkers are a

MM...

Free thinkers are a danger to a Marxist regime!

Gun Sales Will Skyrocket Again

 

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Exactly MM... I was so

Exactly MM...

I was so mad when I read this, I know this has been going on, but what they did to make sure these kids had to go out of their way to say the Pledge was absolutely beyond the pale...

I don't know, I just shake my head and wonder when are people in masses going to say, enough is enough...

Thank God for the parents in this story that did say that....Where is the msm in the meantime...

Oh yeah, I forgot, something much more important has to be going on elsewhere...no matter what.

Oh well, if people do nothing...what happens to this country is in their own laps in the end of it all.

Catch you later...got to close soon.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

BT. I have one very big issue with this rendition..

there is a point when the choir speaks of sacrifice when they speak of life vs. death, they mispeak of life vs. death. Did anyone else catch that? 

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

I caught it.  I have heard

I caught it.  I have heard it sung both ways.  I think that the idea of dying for anything these days is touchy.  Also, it is sometimes living (but being willing to die) for our freedom that is what is required of us.  But yes, the director changed that one little word (to the opposite word.)

Wading through the drones

I think the reason is just a general moral decay of society. The drones that go to the bars every night or every weekend have no incentive to get married because they are clueless about love and what it means to dedicate yourself to someone else. It is all about self gratification rather than sacrafice for another.

There are less girls and guys that don't follow the crowd off the cliff which makes it harder for people that do have morals and do try to follow God's law to meet each other. It is like trying to find a needle in a haystack now. It's easy for the drones to find each other because they all do the same mindless crap but marriage is of no interest to them because they don't see the point and if they do get married it ends in divorce.

People that do understand marriage and do understand what it means to love someone else simply arn't meeting because there are not enough of us. It's like trying to wade through a pile of zombies to get to the princess in the middle. Even if you were lucky enough to get to the princess, chances are you either don't look good enough or your not "exciting" or "fun enough". Thats the way I feel about it so far in life.

"Push back the liberal hordes!!" - Mark Levin

Easy.  Do you know anyone

Easy.  Do you know anyone who is divorced?   Do you know any men who are divorced?  If you do, do you know any divorced men who think they got a square deal from the courts?  Didn't think so.

Oh goody gum-drops... Be

Oh goody gum-drops...

Be ready to feel warm and fuzzy all over...Janet Napolitano is going to be named as Secretary of Homeland Security...according to The Politico.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Tech is wrecking the Hurricanes 24-3 early 3rd quarter.

Oh how the mighty have fallen.  :-)

-Dave

Did this country just elect Obama/Biden, or was it Soros/Ayers?