For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: The Obama Temptation.
I sense what's occurring in this election is a recklessness and abandonment of rationality that has preceded the voluntary surrender of liberty and security in other places. I can't help but observe that even some conservatives are caught in the moment as their attempts at explaining their support for Barack Obama are unpersuasive and even illogical...There is a cult-like atmosphere around Barack Obama, which his campaign has carefully and successfully fabricated, which concerns me. The messiah complex. Fainting audience members at rallies. Special Obama flags and an Obama presidential seal. A graphic with the portrayal of the globe and Obama's name on it, which adorns everything from Obama's plane to his street literature. Young school children singing songs praising Obama. Teenagers wearing camouflage outfits and marching in military order chanting Obama's name and the professions he is going to open to them. An Obama world tour, culminating in a speech in Berlin where Obama proclaims we are all citizens of the world. I dare say, this is ominous stuff.
Is Mark Levin right? Is this ominous stuff?
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It Can Happen Here!!!
October 26, 2008 - 10:16 ET by allanfI think Levin has nailed it. There is a suspension of belief which surrounds Obama that is dangerous. So we have a candiate
Expect the Democrats to shut down talk radio in short order. It can happen here.
allanf
October 26, 2008 - 10:20 ET by5. Has next to no actual accomplishments or experience
6. Has verified ties to questionable persons and organizations
7. Has not even yet be properly vetted
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
All correct but . . .
October 26, 2008 - 10:40 ET by Gat New York. . . none of this would have been possible without the complicity of the mainstream media. People see only what is presented to them in the way it is presented.
All the major and cable networks (except Fox) as well as 90% of major dailies have been complicit in providing Obama with a reliable stream propaganda consistent with the narrative the Obama camoaign has provided. That has never happened like this before.
Add to that the unprecedented money to support this effort and this has the feeling of Big Brother in "1984."
Behind all this I believe is one man: George Soros. Look at the political organizations, the advisors, and even the market crash a few weeks ago and you will find Soros.
Tell me a bit more about
October 26, 2008 - 12:38 ET by GrannyGrump42Tell me a bit more about Soros.
The person I see pulling the strings is Bill Ayers:
http://www.zombietime.com/prairie_fire/
I thought only I was wearing a tinfoil hat
October 26, 2008 - 13:51 ET by ahusserI felt that the financial panic of 2 weeks ago was suspect. McCain/Palin are top of the polls. After the panic points down. Although it is the "crash" season (Sept/Oct) and the market had been weak. Many things came together at a precise time to become a fortuitous event for Obama and bad luck for McCain. It only takes the shorting of 1 stock to start a panic. I believe that stock was Lehman Bros (the ex-CEO of Lehman Bros was an Obama advisor). Soros (the Socialist Billionaire) made his chops shorting the British Pound in the 80's and became a billionare. He certainly has the money, the means, the motivation and ability to orchestrate a panic he could probably do this through numerous offshore and foreign hedge funds. Not only the stock market came into play but a major rallying point for Republican's was high gas prices, releasing oil reserves and drilling, especially in the ANWR. Isn't it very timely (for Obama) and uncanny that fuel prices have dropped 35 percent in the last few weeks leading up to the election. I submit that there are some oil rich countries that would like to see Obama as Prez. Venezuela, Iran, Russia and the rest of OPEC come immediately to mind although they each may have different reasons. That rally is dead. The Republican's have been made the fools through a very carefully, well financed (Hmm!) orchestrated, and dare I say it, strategically brilliant campaign on Obama's part. This will be a watershed for the Republic.
Actually
October 26, 2008 - 14:09 ET by Josh SNFalling gas prices are good for the incumbent party.
Not in this instance since
October 26, 2008 - 14:36 ET by ahusserNot in this instance since drilling was a major Republican battle cry which is now mute and moot.
Soros
October 26, 2008 - 18:44 ET by Gat New YorkThis was posted by Ed Lasky last week on American Thinker on the market crash and Soros:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/hedge_funds_politics_and_the_m.html
Thanks Gat for the link
October 26, 2008 - 19:34 ET by ahusserI thought something was funny about the timing of these events and I feel vindicated that I am not the only paranoid LOL out there. But these manipulations are certainly possible that is how Soros became a billionaire in the first place. Poor naive little Josh (above) been jerking his knees on several blogs now. I need an article now about the sudden drop in oil/gasoline prices. Seems just as coincidental. Obama's campaign is a masterpiece of strategy, prevarication, deceit, and the Dems are swallowing it whole, hook line and sinker.
"...no civilization, no matter how rich, no matter how refined, can long survive once it loses the power to meet force with equal or superior force." - Bernard Knox
OIl Prices
October 26, 2008 - 21:21 ET by Gat New YorkActually the problem with oil prices is that they were overinflated and did not match up to actual demand when they were very high. Much of it could be credited to speculation and once again we have Soros. The high oil prices initally set off an economic problem here before the credit meltdown.
Soros picked Obama out of the lineup and has placed all of his resources and connections behind him. The foreign policy advisors are all Soros people.
...which by the way Obama
October 26, 2008 - 10:42 ET by msh1973...which by the way Obama has yet to appear on Hannity's show or Fox for that matter, why do you suppose that is? (tongue in cheek)
Not exactly correct...
October 26, 2008 - 12:09 ET by Secret ConservativeObama did appear on FOX, on O'Reilly's show - but only after significant negotiations and concessions by O'Reilly about what would be asked and how. Obama got a somewhat puffball treatment from self-avowed pitbull O'Reilly, and it will take a long time - if ever - before I watch his show again, no matter how many times he beats up Barney Frank.
msh1973:
October 27, 2008 - 11:58 ET by j. frank wilsonWhy would Sen. Obama waste his time on Sheer Insannity's show? Insannity is an opinionated pundit - not a journalist. He campaigned for the Republicans in 2004. Who would want to appear on that show? So Insannity can yell and cut them off? What fun...
Also, an undeniable secrecy
October 26, 2008 - 10:44 ET by sherylsimsAlso, an undeniable secrecy about pertinent aspects of his past (birthplace, college records, medical records) pretty much everything about him is a secret. And now we find out we have no right to demand such records.
yes sheryl it's very Ozwellian
October 26, 2008 - 11:02 ET bypay no attention to the man behind the curtain
(and Orwellian too!)
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
Check this out...
October 26, 2008 - 11:04 ET by sherylsimshttp://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79086
Birthplace
October 26, 2008 - 11:14 ET by allanfA Federal Judge has tossed Philip Berg's lawsuit demanding Obama produce a birth certificate due to lack of standing to litigate.
Apparently, on a Secretary of State, Supervisor of Elections or possibly an elector might have standing.
Gosh
October 26, 2008 - 11:49 ET by Josh SNHe put his birth certificate online months ago
FactCheck.org covered this issue a while ago
Why is Obama afraid to let it be examined by an expert?
October 26, 2008 - 11:53 ET by Dee BunkIt makes no sense. Factcheck is owned by an Obama supporter. He hasn't let any neutral expert look at it. It's very strange. He's very secretive.
Sen. Obama would be proud of Propaganda Boy.
October 26, 2008 - 12:01 ET by JWFSen. Obama failed to supply his Birth Cerficate in the one place you cannot lie, a U.S. Court.
In fact, he fought with his very being NOT to produce a birth certificate in a U.S Court.
Keep lapping up that yummy propaganda.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
He put "A" birth certificate online.
October 26, 2008 - 12:05 ET by BKeyserCheck out America Right for a detailed explanation on this, particularly the picture showing the "birth certificate" that FactCheck claims is legitimate and another Hawaii cert from two years later, that doesn't even resemble the Obama one. I don't know what is factual here but the Obama cert looks like a modern example, the other one looks more like what you'd see from the period. And if there is no controvercy, then why not definitively clear it up? There are many "little" things about this guy that just seem to be cloaked in secrecy. Why?
Are you denying who is mother is?
October 26, 2008 - 12:26 ET by Josh SNI mean, let's say his Mom was on the Moon when he was born, on vacation, he'd still be an American citizen. Children born when their parents aren't in America are not denied citizenship.
Obama didn't prevent the issue from going to court, the Judge did. Most Federal Judges are appointees by Republican Presidents. I don't know, maybe Obama secretly appointed this Judge in a kickback scheme from the future!
After all, he was born on the Moon.
Birth Certificate
October 26, 2008 - 13:12 ET by allanfObama's purported birth certificate lacks a seal. Hawaii does not send out certificates without a seal, so it fails the smell test.
Obama has a simple way of erasing all doubts. He has chosen to to follow that path.
race?
October 26, 2008 - 14:52 ET by DragonsbreathSince when is African a race?
When you can't ask a question to your leaders anymore, that gets scary. That bothers me."
Samuel "Joe the Plumber" Wurzelbacher
While his mother was a
October 26, 2008 - 13:27 ET by sherylsimsWhile his mother was a citizen, she needed to be a citizen for 10 years, five of which had to be after the age of 14. Since she had him when she was 18 she did not meet the 5 year requirement. Also, it is a Constitutional requirement for the presidency that he be a natural born citizen which means that while he MAY be a citizen, he also may not be a natural born one, which is why people would like to see the BC. Another factor is that if he were adopted by his stepfather when he was taken to another country and given citizenship there, he would have had to come back through immigration when he returned (which he didn't). All of this should have been cleared up before he even began running for president. It is amazing that he got this far without proper paperwork.
Obama was a Kenyan Citizen Until 1982
October 26, 2008 - 13:44 ET by allanfEven Factcheck.org admits Obama was a Kenyan citzenship.
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_barack_obama_have_kenyan_citizenship.html
She was born and raised in America.
October 26, 2008 - 14:13 ET by Josh SNYou are seriously saying that babies born to 18 year old American mothers aren't American? She was born in Kansas.
American Mothers
October 26, 2008 - 16:30 ET by allanfFederal law does not automatically make you a citizen of the United States if only one parent is a US citizen and you are born abroad. Rumors persist that Obama was acutally born in Kenya.
At the time Obama was born the statute required the American parent to have lived in the United States 5 years after the age of fourteen. Obama's mother was 18 at the time of his birth.
The fear is that Obama was born in Kenya and then his mother travelled with Hawaii and recorded his birth. While the recordation may be enough to afford him citizenship, birth to a single American parent casts doubts about the constitution requiement that he be a "natural born" citizen.
Add this qualification:
October 27, 2008 - 02:17 ET by NL207Add this qualification: "federal law at the time of Obama's birth" and you've got the birth part of it right.
The citizenship laws have been changed since Obama was born, but that is no matter because his case is governed by the law that was in force at that time.
American Mothers
October 26, 2008 - 16:30 ET by allanfFederal law does not automatically make you a citizen of the United States if only one parent is a US citizen and you are born abroad. Rumors persist that Obama was acutally born in Kenya.
At the time Obama was born the statute required the American parent to have lived in the United States 5 years after the age of fourteen. Obama's mother was 18 at the time of his birth.
The fear is that Obama was born in Kenya and then his mother travelled with Hawaii and recorded his birth. While the recordation may be enough to afford him citizenship, birth to a single American parent casts doubts about the constitution requiement that he be a "natural born" citizen.
BKeyser:
October 27, 2008 - 12:00 ET by j. frank wilsonSen. Obama's birth certificate looks modern because it is. The State of Hawaii produces such a document at the request of the family. It's not a photocopy of the long-form birth record - it's a computer generated document showing the information they have on file.
And here's a little news flash - from time to time the State changes the form they use! Who knew?
They also keep the original...
October 27, 2008 - 12:07 ET by MightyMouthSo why not provide a valid copy of the original? They keep them on microfiche if not in an actual file cabinet. I think people want to see the actual document, not one I can create in photoshop.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
While you are shoveling
October 27, 2008 - 14:29 ET by Ruths husband BenWhile you are shoveling this, you might as well explain to us simple rubes why Obama hasn't released his college information, his medical records and all the other documentation he refuses to release (like his true association with Ayers, his activities while in NY, etc.). Oh, and don't get any on your shoes or you will spend all the time between here and the election scraping it off.
That document is not his
October 27, 2008 - 02:29 ET by NL207That document is not his birth certificate. It is not even a facsimile of his birth certificate. Do you see a raised seal anywhere on it? Do you see the orginal signature of the recorder on it? Did you notice that its certificate number, presumably a copy of the sequence number originally assigned, is blacked out?
A legitimate vault copy of a birth certificate in the US has a raised seal from the recording authority and is signed by the recording officer who entered the record. The certificate number will give a clue as to when the birth was registered with the recording agency by a quick examination of the dates of teh adjacent certificates. My guess is this copy is blacked out because it has a date significantly different than the date of birth, which would be the case if Stanley Ann Obama returned to Hawaii sometime after the birth to record it there.
The most disturbing things I have heard about this are: the report that there is a British Crown Colonial Birth Certificate for Obama on file in Mombasa, Kenya; there are witnesses still living there who witnessed his birth in Mombasa, including his elder half-sister and paternal grandmother; there are no witnesses still living in Hawaii who report witnessing his birth there. If these things are true, then --> Obama was born in Mombasa and he is not even a citizen, much less qualified to be President.
NL207:
October 27, 2008 - 12:12 ET by j. frank wilsonFor a self-described expert you don't know much about this, do you?
If you want to see the raised seal you have to turn the certificate over. Hawaii (and other states) put it on the back. The Registrar doesn't hand-sign each copy - he uses a stamp. Go figure! Did you think the US Secretary of the Treasury stays up all night signing one dollar bills?
The Obama campaign blacked out the certificate number before they put the document up on the website because they didn't know what it was for. There are prints of the number easily available on the web. It makes fascinating reading.
What in the world is a "vault copy?" Sounds safe.
And what about the Hawaii newspaper item announcing Sen. Obama's birth? Was that planted all those years ago because his parents knew some day he'd be President of these United States?
By all means - spend more time on this issue. Spend all your time on this issue. Tell Sen. McCain to suspend his television commercials (if there is any money left after Gov. Palin's clothing allowence) and pay lawyers to fight this in court! Go for it! As Lame Cherry said, this is Cold Harbor! To the ramparts! To the barricades - Pat, grab your pitchfork! They're on the walls...
Raised seal. Three
October 27, 2008 - 14:15 ET by NL207Raised seal. Three dimensional. It's pressed into the paper. --> It's visible from both sides. Our local jurisdiction issues unofficial copies like Hawaii and the other 48 do without the seal similar to this one shown on factcheck. The real ones have the signature on the face, whether stamped or otherwise and the embossed seal pressed into the paper. The image on factcheck.org has neither of these features. That means it's unofficial. The fact that it is an unofficial copy means no legal inference of Obama's birth can be made from it. This 'document' isn't even acceptable proof for a passport application nowadays but you want to claim it qualifies Obama to be POTUS.
A birth announcement for Obama in the Honolulu paper? Surely you must have a link to this. In any event, such announcements are common in papers published in areas where the parents have associations but are not necessarily present. Both the elder Obama and Stanley Dunham had been students there.
If Obama's documents are the slam-dunk you say they are, why does he not just produce them for the US District Court of Eaqstern PA and get the Berg suit dismissed? Instead he is refusing to produce and is litigating to get Berg's Show Cause Motion to produce dismissed. Those are the actions of a guilty man.
Wilson, you please me when you come around here. The floors do need mopping once in a while, and for that purpose you serve well.
NL207:
October 31, 2008 - 18:05 ET by j. frank wilsonIt's just too easy: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
It's all there.
Speaking of the floors - you missed a large spot in the middle. Right where you are huddled...
Anybody watch "Doctor Who"?
October 26, 2008 - 12:40 ET by GrannyGrump42Anybody watch "Doctor Who"? Anybody recognize the name Harold Saxon?
This whole thing is like something out of a campy sci-fi show. And THAT is scary.
Demand Records?
October 26, 2008 - 16:22 ET by jeffroJust like you have no right to the records of our current VP's energy policy meetings and E-mails.
jeffro:
October 27, 2008 - 12:14 ET by j. frank wilsonPrecisely! Because the office of the Vice President is part of the Legistative, not the Executive, Branch of the Federal Government.
Ms. Ifill asked Gov. Palin about that during the debate. And received a rather muddled answer.
"Because the office of the
October 31, 2008 - 18:17 ET by MightyMouth"Because the office of the Vice President is part of the Legistative, not the Executive, Branch of the Federal Government"
That's debatable. But in practical terms it's never really been played that way, the veep has always had a hand in executive decisions.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MIghtyMouth:
October 31, 2008 - 18:34 ET by j. frank wilsonI was making fun of VP Cheney's position - and I venture to guess so was jeffco.
Levin is dead on
October 26, 2008 - 10:15 ET by motherbeltLevin is dead on target.
Like Levin, I have long had misgivings about this cultish phenomenon. I've said here that I had frightening flashbacks to Jim Jones. Scary.
Only one point I would disagree with Levin on. He said
It's as if the media use the Obama campaign's talking points
No "as if." They ARE using the talking points.Whether they are actually handed them or not, they hear them, and of their own volition they assimilate them, and propagate them as facts.
Black Liberation Cabinet
October 26, 2008 - 10:40 ET by ThisnThatWait till Obama takes office. There will be an influx of black liberation people throughout government. Maybe not in the top positions -- that would be too obvious -- but a Marxist that has grown up around, and accepted/adopted, black liberationist theories, principles, and philosophy will not give that up after taking control. He will spend his first four years seeding the lower ranks; try to win another 4 years; and then put black liberationists into the top power positions throught government. The msm, of course, will be the last to understand this, which he is counting on to carry out this program.
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Is THAT what he grew up around
October 26, 2008 - 11:51 ET by Josh SNHis grandparents raised him. You know, the grandfather who fought with Patton in WWII? Do most WWII Vets espouse black liberation Marxist ideology? If so, why do they call it the greatest generation?
Yes
October 26, 2008 - 12:12 ET by BKeyserThat is what he grew up around. You have to realize that Obama wasn't raised by his grandfather immediately following WW II. In fact, he was "raised" in the politcal sense, by a most influential group of leftists- those at Columbia University, the Chicago Political Machine, Ayers and his ilk, and his mother, who was by all accounts, pretty far left. Yeah, he was taught to look both ways when crossing the street by his grandmother - maybe - but his ideology was shaped by Communist-backed, hard-left, anti-American radicals with an agenda of taking over the direction of the country. This is the basis (if not the full compostion) of Obama's political belief system.
He was educated at Harvard, True
October 26, 2008 - 12:35 ET by Josh SNHe was raised by his grandparents, he was educated at college. There is a difference.
I still think someone who was an enormously popular lecturer on Constitutional Law at the #1 strict constructionist Law School in America is going to be better for America than Sarah "I can see Russia" Palin, who appoints her high school classmates to office, even if they have absolutely no experience, and who tries to use her power as Governor to avenge her sister. Her sister was standing right next to Trooper Wooten when he shot that moose illegally. Sarah Palin's dad butchered the moose. But now Sarah and Todd want him prosecuted for it? Could John McCain have picked someone dumber?
You mean someone really dumb?
October 26, 2008 - 12:44 ET by BlondeLike Joe Biden? "three letter word....J.O.B.S."
In his own words (19 seconds): This man is qualified to be VP?
Josh
October 26, 2008 - 12:52 ET by cocodrieMore revised history. Educate yourself.
I think Ayers and his
October 26, 2008 - 12:41 ET by GrannyGrump42I think Ayers and his buddies are the real power behind Obama.
http://www.zombietime.com/prairie_fire/
Josh
October 26, 2008 - 12:23 ET by Secret ConservativeIt's pretty clear that he rejected his grandparents, even though they raised him. His ideology and worldview were formed more by his longing for his father and mother, who both abandoned him but who were also both Marxists. His mother got stuck on stupid back in the 60's and never recovered. After reading his books, I am convinced (in my amateur psychology way) that his whole life has been a struggle to win the love of the parents who rejected him - especially the father. Why else does he want to send $80 BILLION of our tax dollars to Kenya to "lift" those people out of poverty? Because his father FAILED!
The other thing that has occurred to me is, considering these same grandparents raised his mother, who turned out to be a Marxist, perhaps the acorn didn't fall far from the tree. Again, reading his books, it is clear that his grandfather was a lazy drunk who couldn't keep a job, while his grandmother was the one who worked and supported the family. A lot of men like that lay around the house and whine about the "bad breaks" they've gotten and complain that the "government should do something" instead of getting off their butts, getting sober and getting a job!
Not surprising that Obama has the worldview he does. But that doesn't mean we should elect him!!!!
Kenya
October 26, 2008 - 12:40 ET by Josh SNThere is no way on Earth he is proposing sending 80 billion to Kenya. By regular measures, that would be ten times our annual foreign aid budget. If you include everything under the ODA label, it would be nearly a doubling of the budget (for one country!)
Josh
October 26, 2008 - 14:30 ET by cocodrieBarack Hussein's Global Poverty Act will commit the United Ststes of America to spend 845 billion dollars on welfare for the world. Kenya [Hussein's birthplace] would receive many billions. Go read a good book.
>Why else does he want to
October 26, 2008 - 12:42 ET by GrannyGrump42>Why else does he want to send $80 BILLION of our tax dollars to Kenya to "lift" those people out of poverty? <
So he's too cheap to give his brother $12 a year and double his income, he's waiting until he's POTUS and then he'll just give the a few billion to Kenya?
"So he's too cheap to
October 26, 2008 - 17:48 ET by ckc1227"So he's too cheap to give his brother $12 a year and double his income,
he's waiting until he's POTUS and then he'll just give the a few
billion to Kenya?"
Well, you know libs, they just love to help those in need....with someone else's money. That's why Biden donated $3,000 to charity on 2 million in earnings over 10 years. That's $300 a year. Obama wasn't much better.
Obama's Economic plan: more taxes, more spending, more regulation. Prosperity here we come.
Well, they raised his
October 26, 2008 - 17:43 ET by ckc1227Well, they raised his mother too, yet she also turned out to be a marxist, so what's your point?
Obama's Economic plan: more taxes, more spending, more regulation. Prosperity here we come.
Dead Thread Thought
October 26, 2008 - 13:32 ET by Copperhead RidgeI guess this thread is dead, but I want to toss in my "change."
When the campaign started, I swore I was going to vote against both big party candidates. For the first time in my life I was going to vote for a third party because I did not like John McCain, and I am a hard core conservative. Early on I sensed that Barack Obama was unbeatable, so I was going to throw away my vote as a protest to the leftward shift in the Republican party, which has left me behind.
As I encountered more and more Obama supporters and listened to the scary cult-like support of him, I've decided to vote for John McCain. I'll do it through clinched teeth, but my vote is actually against the people who support Obama. I have no real animus toward Barack Obama, except that I think he is duplicitous about his beliefs and his background. However, the people who support him must be kept in check. Most of the ones I've met are socialists and do not even realize it -- a direct result of government indoctrinating children through the use of the school system than any conscious choice to be socialists.
This election will definitely be a watershed, but the media wants it to be a racial watershed. It is actually economic and political watershed. A once free society has now bought entirely into the philosophy of collectivism, even electing a candidate who says, "my individual salvation is not going to come about without a collective salvation for the country."
Those are dangerous words my friend. Unfortunately, I believe that a large portion of this nation believes those kinds of things. I find these teachings in Sunday School lessons, from time-to-time, and when I challenge them I am accused of all sorts of things (even labeled a non-Christian).
I truly believe that individual freedom is finished on November 4th, but it is not because of Barack Obama. It is because Americans are willing to swap their individual liberties for the perceived good of the society. They trade individual liberties for the false security of government programs. People are too willing. People don't want to confront an inner-challenge to be free or to experience the risks of freedom -- real freedom.
I always scratch my head when I learn that another family of friends have moved into a subdivision dictated by one of those fascist little neighborhood associations.
I wonder how many are left who still stand with me in the protection of the individual and the freedoms of the individual. I'll be not many. Sure, there's plenty who read this board, but we have inherited minority status. I know plenty of Republicans who were and are willing to sacrifice free markets and personal freedom for their own power or the power of their party.
Personal Freedom RIP, 1776-2008
The socialists (even though they deny the label) will have their day. I hope they enjoy it. I dread it.
This thread is dead??? Say
October 31, 2008 - 16:20 ET by ThisnThatThis thread is dead??? Say it ain't so. This is the OPEN THREAD -- anything goes.
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Copperhead Ridge
October 31, 2008 - 16:29 ET by bigtimerI'm with you...I feel the same as you so eloquently posted.
I would of wrote in Chuck Baldwin from the Constitution Party, but I truly fear Obama and crew.
Just wanted to say thanks.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
I just pray that there a
October 26, 2008 - 10:22 ET by DingbatI just pray that there a lot of voters, even Libs, who, deep down, think this way and in the privacy of the booth will do the right thing. It happened before: I remember my father laughing about Harry Truman getting elected yet no one would fess up to having voted for him.
Well, he certainly can't
October 26, 2008 - 10:23 ET by robert108Well, he certainly can't run on his record, his experience or his ideology, can he? His only policy statements are unAmerican, like negotiating with leaders of terrorist nations with no preconditions and "spreading the wealth", which is "good for everybody", so all he has is image and a slick line of chatter.
What do you expect? The Dems want absolute power, and he looks like the best way for them to get it. Nothing else matters to them. They threw the woman under the bus for the black guy, and are demonizing the Republican woman and the middle class working guy.
Not only does Obama have numerous extreme leftie alliances and influences in his life, but he seems to have had no conservative input at all.
Robert?
October 26, 2008 - 11:56 ET by Josh SNWell, it isn't Obama's fault that McCain picked Palin, and totally undermined the months of "experience" arguments McCain supporters had been using. Any of the picks that might have been expected would have let "experience" still be the issue
The Dems threw the woman under the bus? They voted. They did not vote for Hillary. I made my mind up mostly because I knew how much the right wing irrationally hated Hillary, and I knew nominating her would bring all the haters to the polls, and, to boot, keep Dick Morris relevant.
As for "conservative input," you do realize he taught Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago Law School? He was the most popular lecturer there, and that school has reputation for being #1 at teaching a conservative viewpoint of the law. #1. Not #2. It's John Ashcroft's law school alma mater, for example.
Josh....you brought up a good point................
October 26, 2008 - 12:33 ET by BEGRUNT"you do realize he taught Constitutional Law at the University of
Chicago Law School? He was the most popular lecturer there, and that
school has reputation for being #1 at teaching a conservative viewpoint
of the law. #1. Not #2. It's John Ashcroft's law school alma mater, for
example."
Why has he NOT released ANY documents, thesis's, lectures that he has done??? What is he hiding?? So he taught Law School......that supposed to not make him a flaming Marxist??? Give me ONE example of a conservative point of view Obama has??
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
How about drilling?
October 26, 2008 - 12:59 ET by Josh SNSo, you are saying that the conservative University of Chicago Law School is covering for Obama, and hiding something from you? This is quite a large conspiracy that you face.
Conservative positions
I won't tell you want magnificently intelligent blog gave me these three conservative positions of Obamas.
Good lord Josh... Your
October 26, 2008 - 13:18 ET by Clear thinkerGood lord Josh...
Your examples are lame.
Obama would allow murdering a baby after surviving an abortion. This alone out-weighs anything else he did in this area.
The second one I would have to know more about.
On your 3rd point. He saw no reason to punish the telecoms because the government was doing something he believes is unconstitutional. He would trash the Patriot Act and leave us vulnerable to more terror attacks.
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Josh.....typical liberal, dont answer the question.....
October 26, 2008 - 13:26 ET by BEGRUNTThrow up a non sense smoke screen. ANSWER the question.....WHY has Obama NOT released ANY of his college papers, thesis's, lectures, etc.?????????
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Enigma
October 26, 2008 - 13:56 ET by acumenWHY has Obama NOT released ANY of his college papers, thesis's, lectures, etc.?????????
Allow me to say what the indoctrinated disciple dare not.
Because Obama is running the most secretive campaign in the history of our nation.
He won't allow his transcript from his undergraduate days at Columbia University to be released.
He "lost" his thesis on Soviet nuclear policy (see "Where in the World is Obama's Missing Thesis" which might provide insight regarding his seeming lack of knowledge about Soviet policy during the Kennedy years).
He won't answer questions about his days at Harvard Law School.
He "lost" his Illinois Senate records.
He will only release a simple one-page letter from his doctor on his medical condition.
He won't release his application to the state bar, which, as National Review's Jim Geraghty notes raises questions about whether he told the truth about parking tickets and drug use, among other issues.
He won't disclose a list of his clients from his law firm days or the nature of the work he did for them as a lawyer (his clients include the indicted political fixer Tony Rezko).
He walks away from uncomfortable questions about Rezko at a news conference.
His cultists try to shut down inquiry into his stewardship of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge by sliming a journalist investigating his days at the helm of that group, which blew through $100 million dollars with no discernible benefit for the schools and students that it was putatatively designed to help (what does the constitutional law lecturer say to the chilling of free speech by his acolytes?).
He tries to muddle his long-standing ties with Pastor Wright by producing a version of his attendance record at Trinity Church that is sharply at variance with previous versions he has given ("Obama Re-invents his Trinity Church history").
And there is so much, much more....
acumen......when confronted with.........
October 26, 2008 - 14:04 ET by BEGRUNTfacts our liberal cheerleader has nothing to say, because he cant.....he has no response....all you get with his type is <crickets> Or talking points.....nothing else.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Bah
October 26, 2008 - 14:16 ET by Josh SNYour arguments seem to suggest the University of Chicago Law School, Harvard University and Columbia University are part of a large conspiracy to hide all their records about Senator Obama from the public. Just now you added the "fact" that the Illinois State government is part of the conspiracy, by hiding records of Obama's service there.
There's nothing I can say if you really believe all that.
I appear to be about the only Obama supporter here. Pardon me that I can't keep up with the many hundreds of comments in all threads at once! Geesh! I know you think I'm superman, but part of me just wants to relax this Sunday.
Josh
October 26, 2008 - 14:26 ET by cocodrieBy all means, go somewhere relax, and read some accurate books and educate yourself.
Josh....thanks again for the non answer.....
October 26, 2008 - 14:37 ET by BEGRUNTOne more time.....WHY wont Obama release his college transcrpits, papers, thesis's, lectures, etc????????????????? WHAT IS HE HIDING??????? It has NOTHING to do with the institutions you mention...OBAMA WONT RELEASE THEM.......WHY?????????
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Dear Obama Supporter
October 26, 2008 - 14:55 ET by acumenYour arguments seem to suggest the University of Chicago Law School, Harvard University and Columbia University are part of a large conspiracy to hide all their records about Senator Obama from the public.
First of all Josh, they are not my arguments - they are others based on facts (see citations). Additionally, the very fact that you are incredulous that major universities that hire the likes of Billy Ayers would be in the tank for Obama illustrates the depth of your naivite.
By all means chill out, relax, break out the bong for all I care. I'll even offer some relaxing video. I strongly suggest the following videos by Evan Coyne Maloney for your enjoyment (if not your personal elightenment). Seeing how you mentioned Columbia you might want to scroll down to the Columbia video first. Then may I suggest you use common sense and form your own opinion. There is a helluva lot more at stake in this election than you are obviously currently aware of and I find that as frightening as the mysterious individual you support.
acumen:
October 27, 2008 - 12:20 ET by j. frank wilsonSen. McCain has refused to release copies of his wife's Federal income tax returns? Just why is that? We know she and her father invested over $350,000 with Charles Keating of Lincoln S&L fame. What investments is she hiding?
Why is Sen. McCain so secretive about his medical records?
See - both sides can play the records game. And that's all it is - a distraction from the real issues.
I agree j.,
October 27, 2008 - 12:32 ET by AgnosticWhile I agree with you about the distraction I am still waiting for a politician that actually wants discuss real issues and how to solve problems. They all say they want to discuss the issues but none ever actually take the lead.
I have noticed that it has become a favorite ploy by Senator Obama however to start being critical of his opponents about "issues" when he is put on the spot but as long as the media is hammering his opponents he sits back and watches the slaughter with Nero like smile. (a little bias coming though there)
If we stuck to issues both candidates would come off as looking ridiculous because in the end the best that Senator Obama can do is tag-a-long on Pelosi/Reid bills that they will push through and the best Senator McCain will be able to do is try to veto some of the bills that come his way. That is why I believe we need McCain - to prevent the onslaught of the results of Pelosi/Reid and congressional brainstorming sessions.
frank
October 27, 2008 - 13:03 ET by cocodrieMcCain has released all Of his medical records, Barack Hussein has released none of his. Sen. McCain and his wife file separate returns. Cindy's returns are none of your busuness and none of mine. McCain has released his, Barack Hussein has not. McCain was cleared of any misconduct. Barack has never addressed his association with a long list of terrorists Ayers, and Farakhan are only two. The list is long. I go trolling for shrimp in the gulf why do you come trolling here?
cocodrie:
October 27, 2008 - 13:09 ET by j. frank wilsonSen. McCain permitted a highly supervised brief peak at his medical records. Sen. Obama has released his tax returns going back for years.
Mrs. McCain invested with her father $350,000 in a Charles Keating shopping center. A year later Sen. McCain told the S&L regulators to back off Lincoln. Sen. & Mrs. McCain took numerous vacations with Mr. Keating, including flying to his private island on his jet. Now, that's a solid record of pal'ing around with a proven crook (unlike Prof. Ayers, Charles Keating was convicted in court and sent to prison). With a record of investing with swindlers, Mrs. McCain should release all her tax returns. She didn't. So now the voters are going to decide whom to believe.
What in the world does the Rev. Farakhan have to do with Sen. Obama? Keep reaching - keep making stuff up. The truth is far too ugly for Republicans in general and Sen. McCain in particular.
Go Lame Cherry! Cold Harbor!
frank
October 27, 2008 - 13:31 ET by cocodrieI repeat - McCain was cleared by a unanimous vote. By your reasoning Barack Hussein should be sharing a jail cell with Tony Rezko. Farakhan is a long time friend of Barack Hussein and has declared him to be the messiah of the koran who is coming to subjugate the world under the rule of Islam. Barack Hussein has not released all of his records, in particular his medical. Good trolling but you only came up with a rubber boot, try again.