For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: will Obama's ties to ACORN impact this election?
In the past week, media have actually reported -- albeit nowhere near as frequently or in as much detail as they should -- some of the deplorable voter registration tactics of ACORN. Will the press continue doing so, and will this have any impact on the upcoming election? Or does the public not care about such irregularities because they see any voter registration as good and any attempt to regulate even illegal registration as an attempt to silence voters?
On the other hand, is it now just about the economy and the financial crisis, and everything else is irrelevant INCLUDING illegal voter registration?
Comments Policy
I hope so.
October 11, 2008 - 09:56 ET by mizflame98I hope it impacts his campaign, but I doubt it. The polls doesn't seem to reflect that this ACORN scandal is slowing down his race for the White House. Although, I do suspect that the MSM fiddles with their polling data to make it look as if Obama is on top.
“Anybody gone into Whole Foods lately and see what they charge for arugula? I mean, they’re charging a lot of money for this stuff.”
B.H. Obama
Will it impact? Remains to
October 11, 2008 - 09:57 ET by Indiana JoeWill it impact? Remains to be seen. Should it? Of course, just like Ayers and Wright, Rezko and the New Party. The voters should be informed about these things, and left to draw whatever conclusions they wish.
It won't be reported by the MSM, but it will get out there. The question mark is, what will the average voter think about it, if honestly informed?
That's the $64,000 question.
"... smells like.... victory." - Lt. Col. Bill Kilgore, Apocalypse Now
MSM defends communist Obama
October 11, 2008 - 10:03 ET by wdhorningObama and crowd are involved clearly in a "conspiracy" right out of a communist manual. The MSM will be a victim of its own devices one day, if Obama has his way (no more free press).
Obama is dispicable and sorid character as proven by his history of associations with dispicable and sorid characters, including ACORN, and has proposed policies, which if enacted would destroy the US economy totally (75% of CEOs agree), damage our national security (Obama was 100% wrong about the surge), and ruin our health care system, and even CNN agreed that McCain's health plan is superior.
I'm still trying to figure
October 11, 2008 - 10:05 ET by NewsbusterbrownI'm still trying to figure out what Palin did wrong in this so-called scandal.
“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
Nothing others haven't done
October 11, 2008 - 10:33 ET by NorthCoasterShe had a personal interest in the outcome and should have allowed someone else to deal directly with the trooper. Therefore there was an ethical issue. Her decision to fire Moneghan was appropriate because he was insubordinant.
NC,
October 11, 2008 - 10:57 ET by Indiana JoeSince the MSM is making a to-do over Todd Palin dealing with the trooper, and Sarah Palin merely dealt with Moneghan, not directly with the trooper, I'd say she avoided the "ethical issue" you mention.
And any Cabinet member serves at the discretion of the executive. Any "investigation" into the hiring/firing of those members is on pretty shaky ground from the start.
The U.S. attorney "scandal" with Bush is a case in point. When Clinton first took office, he replaced every U.S. attorney across the country, 78 or so of them. People wondered, but were told it was within his purview and prerogatives. Nothing to see here. The media and the Democrat Congress of the time explained that to us repeatedly. But when Bush replaced eight of them, it was big news and a "scandal" that had to be investigated by a Congressional committee, no less. Democrats demanded it, and the media pushed for it.
This whole "troopergate" (should have copyrighted that with the capital "T" back in the '90s) thing is basically pointless mud-slinging. Just like the recent "discovery" of the Keating 5 scandal.
There's no "there" there. Unlike the questions about Ayers, Wright, Rezko, ACORN, Obama's tax-plan and voting-record, etc.
"... smells like.... victory." - Robert Duvall as Lt. Col. Bill Kilgore
Todd was not a government employee...
October 11, 2008 - 11:21 ET by retroconTodd Palin had a personal interest in getting the trooper fired, he was also a citizen, not a government enployee. He was free to do whatever he wanted.
If this were BHO and MO, the MSM would be declaring how much integrity BHO had for resisting the temptation to step in on his wifes behalf. As it is, the MSM will try to crucify Sarah.
Worse, Rezko gets convicted, and the articles are all "no one testified that the presidential candidate [BHO] did anything wrong." In otherwords, they're giving BHO a pass on Rezko, but putting it to Sarah Palin.
If BHO wins, it will be a true travisty for this country... media propoganda will have given this country over to the first socialist president in US history.
The news reader on the local
October 11, 2008 - 10:08 ET by ricklailThe news reader on the local station called Acorn a liberal organization. That was good. What followed though got me. She said they were reported to have turned in false voter registrations. Reportedly? How about they did in fact.
Did anybody read the story about the findings of the kook in Alaska that was investigating "troopergate?" When I saw it was an AP, Anti-Palin, story I didn't read any more.
"The devil is a better theologian that any of us and is a devil still" A.W. Tozer
You just knew this was coming !
October 11, 2008 - 10:24 ET by Free StinkerSarah Palin Facts (similar to Chuck Norris facts or Bruce Campbell facts) was arrived!
UPDATE - There are already imitators!
UPDATE 2: My favorite so far - Sarah Palin is so tough, she makes the GOP the conservative party again.
Governor Palin - She is the Real Deal !
Obama is going to fix the "World" Economy ? or just USA's ?
October 11, 2008 - 10:13 ET by JayTeeACORN has to have some Law Enforcement Action at the State Level to have any BIG effect.
When there is CHEATING going on in YOUR state, it's more personal. FBI needs to MOVE on ACORN and REZCO or the MSM can Ignore it.
The MSM is ignoring a LOT . . . the age of the "Investigative Reporter" is over . . Kaput....Fini .....Nyet . . .
Are we going to elect a President whose Initial Political Campaign Kickoff took place in the Living room of a un-repentant Domestic Terrorist ? ? REPORT THAT, MSM !!!
The Republican Revolution will not be Televised
Can you imagine just *ONE*
October 11, 2008 - 10:30 ET by winston smithCan you imagine just *ONE* simple incident of voter fraud on behalf of McCain? You just know the media would be all over it like white on rice and would ride it right thru election day. But all of ACORN's illegal activities are committed on behalf of Obama so the media studiously ignore it. In Ohio in 2004 ACORN employees were indicited by a federal grand jury for creating bogus voter registration forms to help Kerry but you didn't hear anything about that in the media. The media would focus on the never-substantiated, completely fabricated Bush - Diebold voting machine connection instead. McCain needs to inform the electorate *DAILY* of these illegal misdeeds being done on behalf of the Obama campaign. If the media refuses to make this a legitimate issue THEN McCAIN MUST!!
It's getting ugly here in Ohio!
October 11, 2008 - 10:29 ET by goldenthroatNow an appeals court has sided with our left-wing secretary of state, demoncrat Jennifer Brunner, in her stand on the ACORN issue - which is basically "if you ignore it long enough, maybe it will go away!"
http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?Category=13&ID=435677&r=2&subCategoryID=
This is incredible! ACORN is under investigation now in nine states and the media has been playing audio sound bites and publishing articles about people who have admitted to being bribed into not only registering to vote - with everything from cigarettes to cash - multiple times - but to vote for Osama Bama. Here is a link to Cleveland radio station WTAM-AM 1100 on the Bob Frantz morning show when Frantz attempted to interview Jeff Ortega from the SOS office. Scroll down to the pic of SOS Jennifer Brunner and listen to the "explanation" he gets:
http://www.wtam.com/pages/bfrantz.html
Ortega sounded like Obama with his "uh...eh...yea...well..." as he attempted to sidestep what Frantz was asking him and ended the conversation by saying "gotta go...bye."
Obama is out to steal this election by any means he can and is using ACORN and their demoncratic cronies to stuff the ballot box! This calls for nothing short of a federal investigation!
But will it happen? And will it be too late?
"Don't crush that dwarf! Hand me the pliers!" - Firesign Theatre
Exactly.
October 11, 2008 - 10:41 ET by winston smithBush should have AG Mukasey out before the cameras insuring a full federal investigation of these ACORN scoundrels who are making a complete mockery of the election process. Time for the Republicans and Bush to GET SERIOUS on this issue already! You know what Clinton would have done with something like this on just the mere appearance of fraud during a tight election race. Reno would being making twice-daily television apppearances with Carville and Begala making the rounds calling Republicans tyrants and usurpers.
Disgusting!
October 11, 2008 - 11:16 ET by Indiana JoeSo-ooo blatant. The partisan hack of an SS claims there's no need to verify voter info? It will take "two or three days" to write a computer program to do it? So what? There's weeks left before it's needed!
Poster above is absolutely right, the feds need to look into this. It's a federal election, it's an equal-protection issue, a disenfranchisement of legitimate voters, and govenmental malfeasance, for starters.
Here's an idea: any state that can't meet simple requirements to prove the veracity of their voting system should have their Electoral Votes disqualified. Otherwise, they pollute the process for the whole country. And it's the state's fault!
"... smells like.... victory." - Robert Duvall as Lt. Col. Bill Kilgore
the Horror / Nighmare of the Economy will fade by Election day
October 11, 2008 - 10:25 ET by JayTeeThe Stock market will recover somewhat, the P/E ratios are ripe for Picking, the CHEAP GAS of 70$ Oil will have an Immediate Impact on the Economy and everything we do.
Americans were Pissed when we were Buying 4 $ Gas and congress took a Recess. Now we are getting the benefits of Cheaper Gas and WE KNOW Congress didn't do anything directly to fix it . . .Congress can only BREAK THINGS.
3 weeks is plenty of Time to I. D. the Democrat participation in the Financial Mortgage Meltdown. It would be nice if some ANGRY Americans would MARCH on WASHINGTON if Congress will stay in Session . . . the MSM would have to give that a few Seconds on the TV.
The Republican Revolution will not be Televised
There is much 2BGR8FUL4
October 11, 2008 - 10:37 ET by RackieI see some light coming at us from the other end of this otherwise dark and gloomy tunnel.
In addition, when you
October 11, 2008 - 13:50 ET by winston smithIn addition, when you figure in all of the sweetheart treatment that Obama is getting in the media, academia, hollywood, television, the nightly insults of McCain/Palin courtesy of late-nite TV, the unpopularity of Bush, the lingering anger at the GOP, the alleged "unpopular war" and it's aftermath in Iraq which has been improving daily --- and ignored by the media, this latest economic meltdown and the fact that many of the polls are OVERSAMPLING DEMOCRAT RESPONDENTS-- the fact that Obama's up by only 3 or 5 in the polls doesn't say much for Obama. 10 points can be made up overnight, so I think those liberals (and some Republicans) who are way-too- soon hanging their hats on an Obama victory, still could be in for a little shock 3 weeks from now. Obama should be clearly be ahead now by more than 15 or 20 points for this election to have any hope of being a "landslide". The current numbers don't bear that out and still have the possibility of turning in favor of McCain.
If you google this date or any October date for 2004 or google the incomplete phrase "Kerry up by..." (with the quotes) you will notice some interesting result links that have predictions of a Kerry victory for 2004. And we know what the actual outcome was. This election and the news coverage of it appears to have many of the same characteristics as the '04 election. Even Rasmussen had Kerry up right until the very last day of the election and then on election day Bush was suddenly up by 3. So I'm not ready to give up on this election just yet. 3 weeks is an eternity in politics. It's the media that's trying to suggest that the election is all over and hope Republican voters will stay home. Don't take the bait. STand your ground!
Doesn't Matter
October 11, 2008 - 10:29 ET by DingbatNone of this is relevant after yesterday. Mc says The One is a decent man and nothing to be afraid of. This will be The One's new campaign ad. <Sigh>
There are times when I feel
October 11, 2008 - 10:35 ET by USA4freedomThere are times when I feel like Bill Murray playing Tripper in Meatballs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3S_k1dRbXY
IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER.. what happens, our side will go down the tube.
You can find voter fraud in 10 states, connected to the man who use to work for them, IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER...
You can tie Obama to the economy disaster (of our life time) with ACORN and law suits against banks, IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER...
You can show Biden’s son a lobbyist, IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER....
You can show that Obama was talking to leaders of Iraq to undermine Bush, (violating laws), IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER....
You can tie Obama with domestic terrorist, racist pastor (for 20+ years), and convicted criminals, IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER...
You can show that Obama has all sorts of foreign, illegal cash in his campaign, IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER....
You can show proof that the Democratic party is totally responsible for the financial meltdown of our stock market, with Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER....
We can have the most corrupt congress with the most earmarks in my life time, lead by the two biggest idiots, Nancy (is my face moving) Pelosi, and Harry (land deal) Reed, with the lowest approval rate inhistory, IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER....
Obama is a candidate that has no problem with letting children die after they survive an abortion, IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER.....
Obama will raise taxes, you will lose liberties, IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER.....
Obama can have all the support of: Bill Ayer’s (Terrorist) as well as his wife, Bernardine Dohrn, who was on FBI's 10 Most Wanted list, Malik, Zulu Sabazz from the New Black Panthers, to Hamas, to Fidel Castro, Daniel Ortega, Hugo Chavez, Jodie Evans (who is head of a radical group that funds and supports Islamic terrorists as well as an America-bashing SouthAmerican socialist leader has bundled more than $50,000 for Obama’s campaign), code pink, Hanoi Jane, (every flake in Hollywood), Louis Farrakhan, Kim JongIll, the list goes on and on but you get the idea, never the less, IT JUSTDOESN'T MATTER.......
The public knows that the press is in the tank for Obama, IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER.....
He can take the American flag off of his airplane, make the Presidential seal to look like his, not cover his heart during the National Anthem, have his supporters hang Che Guevara flags in their headquarters, go to Europe like an conquering hero, think that there are 57 states in the union, call his Grandmother a typical white person, call himself a constitutional law professor, get the second most money from Fanny, the list is so long that I don’t have the energy to type it, yet:
IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER.....................
Its hard to believe that half of the population of this great country is willing to vote for Obama. The school system has given us a population of idiots....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3S_k1dRbXY
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Mission Accomplished!
October 11, 2008 - 10:41 ET by Rackie"The school system has given us a population of idiots...."
Well don't ya know that was the plan all along.
BUT.... Murray's Meatballs
October 11, 2008 - 10:44 ET by JerryBUT.... Murray's Meatballs beat the odds and WON! They played so far over their heads that their noses bled for a week to ten days and they beat the elitist snobs, with Rudy the Rabbit clinching the stunning victory.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Prepare for the worse
October 11, 2008 - 10:57 ET by mizflame98Well, the DH plans to stock up at the gun shop if Obama wins the election. He thinks that our 2nd Amendment rights will be in jepardy as well as our national security. I think he's been watching the movie Red Dawn one too many times, but he does have a point.
“Anybody gone into Whole Foods lately and see what they charge for arugula? I mean, they’re charging a lot of money for this stuff.”
B.H. Obama
USA4---Excellent post and summation---
October 11, 2008 - 11:03 ET by misterbillUSA4
The list of issues is right on and it doesn't seem to matter to most folks. (Except on sites like NB).
I'll probably have the FBI at my door for this but---- I used to wonder what was wrong with some groups of people in America that they would resort to violence to resolve their issues. Possibly it is because ---"it just doesn't matter"-- to most people , being ignored is the most angering and frustrating thing that can happen.
Here we have large group of law-abiding respectable citizens who see all these unethical, and even criminal actions taking place every day and a spineless government that does nothing about it. To make it worse, the principal offenders are those who want to take the reins and "change" America.
Without spending a lot of time on it, perhaps it is time for the citizenry to take "it just doesn't matters" into their own hands.
So, now, I understand why some of those groups who resorted to violence in the past, did so. They saw things going wrong, by their standards, and saw nothing being done.
In order to not get visitors or phone calls, I add, "I understand why" does not imply "I agree".
Knock-knock-knock... "Come
October 11, 2008 - 11:17 ET by Clear thinkerKnock-knock-knock... "Come out with your hands up. This is the Obama private security detail...ooops, I mean the FBI".
Obama’s First Cabinet Member
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"into their own hands."
October 11, 2008 - 14:24 ET by RackieDepending on who loses, I could see riots but not revolution. Let sanity prevail!
I think you are right, I
October 11, 2008 - 17:44 ET by USA4freedomI think you are right, I have seen so much activity in the local gun shops. Lots of people here seem to be worried. The shooting range was busier then I have seen it in months, now maybe because it’s the start of hunting season here,but it was pouring down rain. I don’t know.
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
The average American watches
October 11, 2008 - 18:03 ET by USA4freedomThe average American watches these idiots in Washington, the very ones that have a investigation on every thing turns a blind eye to the biggest financial crises in our life time. All started by the government desire to loan money to people that could not afford it. Then the very people that started this mess is in charge of fixing it. It like going back to a doctor that took out your non cancer lung and left the cancer one in, and then going back to the same doctor, and PAYING HIM MORE!!!!! TO DO IT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
is it now just about the
October 11, 2008 - 14:16 ET by dscottis it now just about the economy and the financial crisis, and everything else is irrelevant INCLUDING illegal voter registration?
Yes, that seems to be the game plan doesn't it, you should have heard the Obama spokesmen this morning on FOX refusing to answer the question of Ayers and Acorn, by claiming the only relevant issue is the economy. The issue is relevant since Obama's consistent poor judgement was walking in lock step with those who created the economic mess.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
Communist Obama!
October 11, 2008 - 10:32 ET by GeneralAlNow gentlemen, can't we all just get along? I mean really, President Obama says hes not a Communist or Socialist so shouldn't that be enough? Can't we just take him at his word? You know that the news media is dominated by conservative people and lean heavily to the right! Obama's statements are routinely taken out of context! President Obama suffers the same problem as the current and late Mayor Daleys of Chicago. Listen to what he means, not what he says!
Not that I've made you all angry, I just wanted to try looking at this from the rose colored perspective of a leftist journalist! The problem is that I can handle the truth and thus I automatically disqualify myself from membership in the leftist legion.
Indeed, I do see Comrade Obama as a bona fide Communist. However, most of the modern Democrat [Commiecrat] party is not to far behind. If you check the principles they espouse and compare iot to the basic tenets of the Communist Party, you will see there is little or no difference! I really have a hard time trying to see how there can be a conservative Commiecrat anymore. Maybe they are rather idealistic until they get infected with Washingtonitus! Of course, we've had people in this great country who sold out to the commies for money and there is money to be made in politics, especially liberal politics!
Its just too bad we have such an ignorant population in America today that they cannot connect the dots. Only in this case, its connect the hammers and sickels!
I wonder when comrade Obama....
October 11, 2008 - 11:10 ET by BEGRUNTwill initiate his first, "5 year plan"? And his first meeting of the comintern? When is the national anthem going to be replaced with the "International"? When will the military be assigned "political officers", commisars? And the masses say "so what"? God help us all!!! If all of this other evidence i.e., ACORN, Rezco, Ayers, Wright....on and on and on, cant take him down, what will????
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
GeneralAl... If people do
October 11, 2008 - 11:20 ET by Clear thinkerGeneralAl...
If people do not agree with you maybe they should just look this over... "45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goal"
See how far they have come to reaching their goals?
Obama’s First Cabinet Member
GeneralAl, Or as I have heard a radio talk show host call it...
October 11, 2008 - 17:48 ET by goldenthroatObamunism? Because that is what it will be if he wins the White House.
"Don't crush that dwarf! Hand me the pliers!" - Firesign Theatre
Anger at McCain Rallies
October 11, 2008 - 10:36 ET by Travis NoodleI am concerned about the comments from Senator McCain at various rallies this week.
When the woman took the mic and said Obama was an Arab. I think she meant to say Muslim. McCain took the mic from her and said Obama was a good guy and he admired his accomplishments. He seemed so condescending to her. I started to think that McCain is out of touch.
Other people expressed anger at McCain for not standing up and fighting Obama. Obama is a dirty, dirty bird and the Republicans need to throw it in his face.
There is a way to run a campaign in an honorable way and then there's bending over and taking it up the you know what.
I feel that McCain thinks this is just another election and doesn't understand that this is about ideology. If Obama is elected are we going to be called "One Nation under Allah"?
This is so frustrating.
Travis... I for one, hear
October 11, 2008 - 10:47 ET by Clear thinkerTravis...
I for one, hear you loud and clear. McCain is too old to change his ways now, besides he does not believe in ideology. The only solution that I can think of is to keep pushing Sarah as our future. I feel that she GET'S IT, whereas he does not.
Obama must not be allowed to take the reins of power in the most important country on the planet. What if this guy is picked by Obama >>>>Obama’s First Cabinet Member
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As someone who grew up in Minnesota...
October 11, 2008 - 12:57 ET by Prester John...where this event took place I am surprised at how fired up the crowd was. Leftist nutcases from Minneapolis and St. Paul are one thing (see the Wellstone memorial in 2002), that's just the way they are, but middle class folks from the suburbs and small towns in the Land of Lakes? Startling.
If MINNESOTANS are that fired up about the Annointed One, I can only imagine what people are feeling in the non-urban areas of the barely blue/purple states like Michigan and Pennsylvania, not to mention red states like Indiana, Ohio, the South, the Plains, and the Mountain states.
And it may be my imagination, and it's based on simply observing the number of McCain bumperstickers and yard signs, but there are a lot of people just outside the DC area who want even less to do with a President Obama than they did with a President Kerry.
MTCW.
Well, that's what happens
October 11, 2008 - 13:01 ET by balboaWell, that's what happens when you tell them that a racist communist who was trained by terrorists might be the next president.
Bal....you mean telling them....
October 11, 2008 - 15:18 ET by BEGRUNTthe truth about Obama??? Again, I dont understand how you cant see it.....
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Ballad of the Obama Fan
October 11, 2008 - 10:36 ET by JerryDriving to and from work, I have noticed the preponderence of tiny eco-cars all sporting Obama stickers, and it inspired the "Ballad of the Obama Fan". Dumb, I know, but I was bored.
I am a big O-ba-ma fan.
I drive a tiny car.
It's got a lit-tle bat-ter-y,
It don't go very far.
I trust in global warming,
And ev-o-lu-ti-on.
I worship at the altar of
the great A-bor-ti-on.
There is no right or wrong in life,
And truth is rel-a-tive.
A baby is dis-pos-a-ble,
But murderers must live.
Free Choice is what I stand for.
It's my pri-or-i-ty.
Unless the choice involves a school,
Or Sosh Se-cur-i-ty.
Or what to drive Or where to smoke,
Or when to buy a gun.
Or how to keep your hard earned cash,
Or who can dis the One.
We liberals are the smarter ones,
We get our news from Jon.
We love to see our M-T-V,
And Springer marathons.
It's Oprah in the afternoon,
The View is lots of fun,
Then Olberman to round it out,
And then our day is done.
And as we lay upon our beds,
All snug, secure, and warm,
We give our thanks to those brave ones,
Who kept us safe from harm.
We thank Code Pink, MoveOn dot Org,
Protestors of the war.
A-C-L-U and Acorn too,
But don't forget one more.
The most im-por-tant leftist group,
The Main Stream Ma-fi-a.
Without their lies, the Right would crush,
O-ba-ma ma-ni-a.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
A danger for the big "O" man
October 11, 2008 - 11:07 ET by Vivaldi5I don't think the press will be able to avoid continuing to chronicle the antics of ACORN--and even if they did, the story is now out there, and it's glaringly obvious those registration people were not signing up Jive Turkey and Mary Poppins to vote McCain/Palin.
I think that if Obama wins, the perception that he "stole" the election will be very hard to shake and throws his whole ability to govern into question--at least in the way that his campaign ("hope/change") has supposedly been about. True, he does have Pelosi/Reid and a significant to overwhelming Democrat majority in Congress, and overreaching is not, I think, out of the question, but in view of the fact that the voters get to speak again in 2010 (and might do another 1994 style Congressional turnabout against the incumbent party), that would I think be self-defeatingly stupid.
If I may plagiarize myself (http://vivaldi5.blog...), I think Obama could in raw political terms get out in front of this thing, look "presidential," and make Chris Matthews' leg tingle anew by making a very clear statement against it--something like this:
Heck, if Obama were to say that, given this economy and McCain's saying yesterday that he was "decent" (Obama's campaign commercial for next week?), the big "O" could probably win this thing without ACORN's dubious help.
So I want to send the
October 11, 2008 - 11:27 ET by motherbeltSo I want to send the strongest possible message: if you
are putting together false registrations on my behalf, or any
candidate's behalf, I condemn that. It is wrong, and I urge you to
stop.
[Nudge, nudge; wink,wink....]
Do you really think that would stop them?
Re: So I want to send the
October 11, 2008 - 13:42 ET by Vivaldi5Oh, absolutely not, motherbelt. But it would give Obama 'street cred,' so to speak, with his media cheerleaders (compare their celebrations after his speech responding to the Jeremiah Wright issue), and I think it would be enough to sway undecideds his way.
I'm not speaking here of anything but the political ramifications of Obama making such a statement; I think we on this forum are essentially agreed that his intent toward ACORN is pretty well summarized by your formulation of "nudge-nudge, wink-wink."
Berg vs Obama
October 11, 2008 - 11:09 ET by tunes59I think the biggest story so far, which is being ignored by the MSM is that Obama is fighting the court in producing documents that can prove he is qualified to be POTUS per the Constitution. It is being brought to the attention of many, without help from the media who do not speak of it, that Senator Obama has a lawsuit filed against him in PA. It is a lawsuit questioning his eligibility to be President. Whether true or not, this needs to be settled before election.
The lawyer who filed the suit said he would dismiss it, if Obama will just present the required records, one which is the vault copy of his birth certificate, which is not the same as the one floating on the internet.
Below is a petition someone started to get Congress to settle the Berg lawsuit by having Senator Obama present the records requested. The real story is why Obama is fighting the case and not just producing the documents.
Here is the link to the petition;
http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244/stop-obama-constitutional-crisis
So far Mr. Obama has refused to produce the documents and is trying to fight the court order to produce the documents.
Any American should be able to prove citizenship in less than a day. Why can’t Mr. Obama?
Here is a link to the actual court documents - http://news.justia.com/cases/featured/Pennsylvania/paedce/2:2008cv04083/281573/
A constitutional crisis will rip our country apart. If this is not cleared up now we will have a crisis. If you care at all about America you must call for Mr. Obama to produce the documents and prove that he is eligible to be President.
Signed
October 11, 2008 - 11:27 ET by TheAssessorSigned, sealed and delivered. I originally thought what's the use? In NY we have have the trifecta Sen. Clinton (D), McNulty (D) and the disgusting Shrewmer (D). Presents a gloomy picture for us New Yorkers. Then I remembered, Hillary HATES obumbles. Worth a shot. Thanks for the link.
Psychopaths Anonymous: Where we don't feel your pain. "Hi! My name is Barak..."
should but probably wont
October 11, 2008 - 11:50 ET by dark_dsShould but probbaly wont. It will be reported but not to level it should be but then it will be followed by stories of how racism is tainting the election and how the economy is all Bush's fault, then folks will be left saying " I dont want to be a racist" and we cant have 4 more years of Bush". I dont think if a video of Obama, Bill Ayers, Tony Rezko, Reverend Wright, and Louis Farrakahn playing beach volleyball at an ACORN retreat with the Obama Youth Choir singing in the back ground praises of The One would surface it wouldnt matter
The 0bama File
October 11, 2008 - 12:07 ET by HermanoOK Folks. Here is an incredible source of information on 0bama, his history, his lies, whatever. Very conprehensive...and scary that "we" do not know about him.
http://theobamafile.com/
The Newsbusters Comments Crew: Saving the Environment - One Ribeye at a Time! h/t Dr_Liberty
Will someone PLEASE get rid
October 11, 2008 - 12:19 ET by air conservativeWill someone PLEASE get rid of the prepubescent girls modeling Conservative T-shirts on this website! As a mom of a young girl, I find them repulsive, and they seem to get younger every week. Just doesn't seem to belong here... let the daily Kos put jailbait on their front page.
Newsbuster Ads
October 11, 2008 - 13:08 ET by Lame CherryRespectfully to women, the models are not prepubescent which means children, they are in their 20's.
For the facts, if you do not like the ads you are welcome to contact Newsbusters and write them out a check paying for that ad space. Newsbusters is not free. It costs money to run this site and that is the reason the ads are on this site to generate revenue so people can come here and play.
I for one am very pleased to see young ladies so inclined to wear firearms on their shirts championing American issues instead of fainting at Obama rallies stoned on dope.
Of course, I'm not a spokesman for Newsbusters and they are big enough boys and girls to defend themselves on revenue issues, but if you don't like it then pay for the ad space yourself or if you are not so inclined, set your monitor screen to a higher rate and then the models are off your screen of view.
It takes a great deal of effort, revenue and research to bring about Newsbusters and I'm very pleased Thoseshirts.com is a sponsor of this site.
I would suggest people buy a dozen shirts and send them to all their Christmas relatives, take pictures and I believe the site will post those photos on the main page.
If one is a 40 something woman not liking the ads then that would solve the issue of the women in the ads.
Let us though celebrate women of all ages and not pick at things which are bringing all of us a forum to speak to the world, free for us but costing Newsbusters money.
God bless.
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Excellent Lame Cherry
October 11, 2008 - 13:23 ET by shawn228That was great.
Real life video games are cool
I don't need a lesson on
October 11, 2008 - 13:33 ET by air conservativeI don't need a lesson on advertising. I know it takes money to run a website. I am sure that, given the traffic this website sends to that T-shirt company, they would provide a more suitable add if NB asked them to.
Obviously, these girls are models, not just some "girl off the street". I don't doubt that they're all legal age, but I'm sick of marketers putting forth these images of "under age"-looking, curveless women. You can't honestly think that the redhead on the right "looks" over 16. It's happening all over in the MSM. It has been for years, and I wouldn't expect you - if you're not a woman - to understand the effect these images have on women of all ages. I don't expect that this site gets a lot of impressionable women that we need to worry about, but this site can take a part in affecting change in the mainstream advertising industry the same way it does with the mainstream media. By rejecting these ads, it sends a message to the advertiser. The next time they think about hiring models, they may consider hiring women that look like women rather than look like young teenage girls.
Advertising
October 11, 2008 - 14:09 ET by Rackie"Obviously, these girls are models, not just some "girl off the street".
Lately, the "models" do look like girls "off the street" - Skank Street. At least they could do is clean 'em up a bit. The pouty heroin addicted waif look is so over.
Prairie Sky and Rackie
October 11, 2008 - 15:12 ET by cocodrieI agree with you. These ads intentionally present these girls as underage and lower the morals of society. The teeny-bopper market is huge and these young appearing boys and girls are used to sell a lot of immoral stuff to children.
Thanks, coco...Apparently...
October 11, 2008 - 18:19 ET by PrairieSkysome others here don't share our opinion...
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
Come on, offended ones, get with the program. as in FIREFOX
October 11, 2008 - 18:43 ET by upcountrywaterget rid of Billy Gates IE, and move to Firefox!!
Guess what !I see NO Ads. Anywhere (unless of course i want to).
Come on this is the computer age, UPDATE.
No pop ups, no blinkies, no hassles.Oh yea IT'S FREE, FREE
CLIMATE CRISIS
IranianUranium
upc... That is an
October 11, 2008 - 18:51 ET by bigtimerupc...
That is an excellent point.
I don't use it for various reasons....but you can, and I have...and you are el correcto once again.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
bt...I guess I'm not quite enough "with it" yet...
October 11, 2008 - 19:22 ET by PrairieSkyI'm not familiar with Firefox...I've heard of it, but I don't know what the difference is. Can you clue me in?
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
prairie
October 11, 2008 - 19:34 ET by botglook for mozilla
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
Thanks, botg...
October 11, 2008 - 19:46 ET by PrairieSkyI'll check it out...
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
prairie, upcountry
October 11, 2008 - 19:52 ET by botgoutdid me with the link below
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
Hi Sky... I see botg got
October 11, 2008 - 19:54 ET by bigtimerHi Sky...
I see botg got you situated...
I am not much when it comes to being computer savvy in the least...if it wasn't for friends here over the years I don't know what I would of done..
anyway...I have gone back and forth between the two...I like a lot about one site...and some about the other...
You just have to decide for yourself...my son loves FF also..which it has a heck of a lot of plus' ...anyway...you have to see for yourself...I think if I had started there I would still be with it.
Any problems you may have, you know just to ask here...so many at the ready with the answers...thank goodness.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Hi bt, and thanks to you, botg and upcountry...
October 11, 2008 - 21:19 ET by PrairieSkyfor the help! I'll have a gander at my options and maybe give 'em a try.
It's nice to know that there are those here who are "in the know." In our house all we have ever used is IE, so I guess we're still learning.
Thanks again all!!
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
bigtimer, YYY Thank You Very Much...
October 11, 2008 - 19:24 ET by upcountrywaterI'm el correcto ONCE again <smile,grin> mahalo..
I once went back and forth IE to firefox.... then finally i made the Jump... never again will I ever suck up to Billy...well i'm wishing..
Oh and BTW... check out FREE "open office" bye bye "word"
edit: firefox 3
CLIMATE CRISIS
IranianUranium
ac, I agree!!
October 11, 2008 - 14:41 ET by PrairieSkyI too am the mother of a daughter, and I completely agree with your observation concerning the appearance of the models lately in some of the advertisements in question. I am sure that these "girls" are probably not teenagers (I hope), but they appear to be, and whether that is by design or by accident, it is a bad idea and whoever is making these adds needs to rethink the "look" of the people that they are using for them.
The girl that I am looking at right now (red hair, freckles and brown eyes) looks like she's about 14. Now, she may be 22, but as I said, that is not how she appears. Like you, I think the next time that they hire models, they should ensure that they hire models that are and that look like women...not pubescent teenagers.
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
"Like you, I think
October 11, 2008 - 17:06 ET by ckc1227"Like you, I think the next time that they hire models, they should
ensure that they hire models that are and that look like women...not
pubescent teenagers. "
So, you think they should discriminate against these women because you have issues?
Hmm, maybe the left and the right aren't so far apart after all.
Obama's Economic plan: more taxes, more spending, more regulation. Prosperity here we come.
This isn't about having "issues," ckc...
October 11, 2008 - 18:15 ET by PrairieSkyWhich, by the way, I don't. This is about hiring models that appear underage to be modeling this merchandise. And, it has nothing to do with "discrimination" either. That's ridiculous.
It is my opinion, and apparently several others here at NB, that the models being used in these ads have the appearance of being too young as to be appropriate for advertising this merchandise. If you don't agree with that, fine. But don't get personal and accuse me, just because I happen to disagree with you, of having "issues".
I could accuse you of the same thing, but you'll notice, I haven't.
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
"You can't honestly think
October 11, 2008 - 17:02 ET by ckc1227"You can't honestly think that the redhead on the right "looks" over 16."
What if she isn't? It's a picture of a girl wearing a tshirt. There's nothing sexual, or inappropriate about it. If that image has any negative effects on any woman, I suspect deeper issues are the cause, not the image itself.
Obama's Economic plan: more taxes, more spending, more regulation. Prosperity here we come.
Good golly...I can't
October 11, 2008 - 18:39 ET by bigtimerGood golly...I can't believe some are getting irritated about ThoseTshirts.com or whatever it is...
The ad that made me puke, I am serious here...was Pam Anderson that was here FOREVER!
I detest that plastic filthy skank...had to see her briefly here every time I was on here...
Nevertheless...tough it out..if this is all we had to worry about in life...I'd be happy.
I can remeber when there was zilch for advertizing here...I used to be able to contribute here, because of personal matters it has become all but impossible unfortunately, if I had the extra I would in a second put it in...if more of you that are complaining pony up where it says donations or whatever above in a big way (or it used to anyway)...why we wouldn't have anything to bitch about...now would we.
Oh well...that's my rant about this.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
O BA MA chants, vs. U S A chants at the rally's
October 11, 2008 - 12:46 ET by JayTeeI Question WHY these chants are different when Americans attend the Campaign rally's . . .
It's Fundamentals, and the Fundamentals the Candidates Support, and Represent.
Socialism and it's candidate vs. Americanism and what it represents
The Republican Revolution will not be Televised
I had thought about this as
October 11, 2008 - 13:03 ET by general companyI had thought about this as well. Not sure yet where to put my finger, but I have to say, I am amazed as to why a do nothing person is so revered. This is a bit scary as to what else they could promote.
Honesty and civility and critical thinking have left the building, leaving us lost and in danger. We must some how counter this nonesense point to point. Not just Fox either, the contaminated ones dont watch it. We must reinfiltrate our media and schools.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
It just goes to show
October 11, 2008 - 14:04 ET by dscottIt just goes to show anything can be packed, sold and if you have a slick enough sales pitch, people will buy it. The scary part is we all know Obama is an empty suit and that he doesn't have any original ideas, the implication being he is just a front man, a puppet of a group waiting in the shadows to impliment their agenda.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starv