By NB Staff (Bio | Archive) October 7, 2008 - 20:04 ET
John McCain and Barack Obama are squaring off tonight at 9pm ET. Will the debate prove influential in the presidential race? Any media bias predictions?
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McCain's already lost the election. His lack of a spine in calling out
SOCIALISM on Obama, as well as the support of that pathetic "bailout"
guaranteed the comrade's victory last week.
...That McCain isnt the star on this ticket. He just cant wow them like Sarah.
He did pretty well, but he does need to realize, his job at this point is to hold the door for Sarah. If he cant do that then I guess Obama is holding the door for Hillary.
I still believe Sarah and John can pull it off. All they have to do is keep hammering Obama's lack of experience and shady past. The dems have their fingerprints all over our current financial situation and if Sarah and McCain cant make hay with that...then I dont know what would.
McCain has to realize also, he is not going to win any Dem voters...what he has to do is get the conservative right to start frothing at the mouth over a win in November. If he can get them to come out and bring two friends, he stands a chance.
Someone said he should stop saying "my friends". I think he should stop saying "we need bipartisan effort". Screw that, inspire your base, insure they come out for you in droves. McCain, your base gives a crap about bipartisanship.
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Ask yourself: Do I want a good paying job, or do I want a government hand out. Its that simple!
President Bush helped to stop WW III by ordering troops into Iraq, a war Obama opposed (read on).
Look at what Iran is doing today. It is spinning up its yellowcake for the obvious purpose of making nuclear weapons.
Had Obama been president in 2003, instead of Bush, we would have never
gone into Iraq. Instead, Saddam would have soon kicked the IAEA out,
and right now be spinning up his 600 tons of yellow cake, just like in
Iran. (And 600 tons can make about 142 nuclear weapons.)
And as soon as Iran and Iraq both built enough nuclear weapons, the two
countries would start WW III, destroy 1/3 of the world's energy
sources, making the current financial crisis look like a child's piggy
bank broke open or something compared to a world-wide economic
depression, and this all would have virtually tossed us back into the
stone age, all thanks to a man named Obama.
And to the rest of you traitors to the USA, the U.S. military, this
past summer, pulled the 600 tons of yellowcake out of Iraq, and all I
have to say to you traitors, if 600 tons of yellow cake, enough for 142
nuclear weapons, is not WMD, what the hell is? You are morons!!!! And
you are traitors for speaking against this war!!!! And you supported,
de facto, WW III !!!!
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Now for the really evil part of Obama. He went to visit his cousin in
Kenya in 2006, and made a really big speech to his cousin's followers,
encouraging them to support his cousin. Before and after this event,
his cousin has waged genocide in Kenya, killing and raping women and
children, and even has burned alive church goers inside of churches,
and he has driven the populations away from their lands and homes. His
cousin is still operating in Kenya and still murdering people. Any
person who supports a genocidal maniac like Obama's cousin, is himself,
evil through and through, and that is Obama. There is no other
explanation that fits this maniac, but that.
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There is clear evidence, per the Fox Hannity report on Sunday past,
that Obama has given significant support to local Palesinian
organizations in the Chicago area, who are not trying to bring a
peaceful solution in Israel, but rather are supporting most of the
ant-Israel terrorist organizations in the Middle East. Obama therefore
lies when he says he will defend Israel. That is lie by the king of
liars. If Obama wins, Israel can kiss its ass goodbye.
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With repect to un-repentent Bill Ayers -- Bill Ayers, in his own living
room, helped Obamas start his political career, and prior to this Obama
worked with Ayers for 4 years solid on "community organizing" efforts.
This was no casual, chance meeting or two, this was a virtual
conspiracy to help Obama rise up the ranks. And for what purpose should
he become president? Help terrorists bomb targets in the US? Help
destroy the USA from within? Start a race war? Start WW III? That is what
it sounds like to me.
Obama eats, drinks, walks and talks, evil. He is a danger to the USA,
and even to world stability. Elect him, and kiss your ass goodbye.
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Now to borrow a line for Rev Wright, and I mean no personal threat,
I will leave that up to God, by soft prayer is "God damn Barrack Obama".
And remember, for 20 years, Obama heard racist, hate filled, "God damn
America" style preaching from Rev Wright.
(By the way, I have been to
black churches, where they love the Lord, and they do not preach like
this and guess what, these people are mostly not on welfare or any
other type of "fare" because the Lord has given them the inspiration to
educate themselves, work hard, and get ahead, and so do not need
government handout, and many whites and other nationalities often
attend these churhes, too.)
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Spread the word, folks. This man, Obama, is evil, through and through, his associations and support for evil people proves it.
- Obama is a "maniac"
- Obama is a threat to the peace and security of the USA
- Obama is a threat to the world's peace and security.
- Obama is out to completely destroy the US economy, by raising taxes on businesses so high, that the majority of businesses will fail. What
good is a personal tax cut, if you are out of work, because the company
you once worked for is taxed out of business?
And then, if he succeeds in doing this to our economy, he will start
screaming that "capitalism is a failure," and start screaming "it needs
to be replaced with socialism/communism", which is the plot probably
hatched in Obama's mind, with the help of his communist buddy, Bill
Ayers.
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Disclaimer: The above is my opinion, and may or may not be true.
You may want to read it later when you have time...it is rich...I had hard/read some of this earlier about this, but this was the best find and write up I have ever seen...of course the msm of all venues were silent...still are.
I hope the link still works.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~Rush Limbaugh
this country is about to get raped by the liberals, and the grinning jacka$$es that are going to vote for Obama are going to finally finish the job that the 911 terrorists did not complete
Obama just said he had to clean/clear up some of McCain's history...now that is rich, does he not know what can of worms he just opened with that line towards him?
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~Rush Limbaugh
I agree, I shudder when I hear it -- where is the money going to come from? However I still blame the Democrat as he is the one who comes out prostituting government Utopia and the Republican, trying to get elected, has to compete against that.
And Darkness and Decay and the Red Death held illimitable dominion over all. -- Edgar Allan Poe
Frank Luntz has found a bunch of Obama worshippers to spin his stupid little dials.No, wait, he didn't mention the little dials tonight, he is just going with a show of hands.
American people are not hurting enough from Democrat tax and spend policies. And Bush has kept them safe from terrorism, so they have no fear about Obama's connections Khalidi and Ayers. They've enjoyed a pretty robust economy, so they figure we can afford to have "free" national health insurance.
In '76, we had a lukewarm Republican running against a fresh new face from Georgia in an election held after eight years of a Republican White House. We all know who won. And we all know how those four years played out.
It wasn't until our economy was in the toilet and our misery index was high enough to vote him out of office after one term. Can our country handle one term of Obama? Guess we'll find out.
Yeah, McCain just said before we hand our children our damaged planet...blah blah blah...clean up our climate, clean up the environmental damage...blah blah blah...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~Rush Limbaugh
Now McCain is proud of voting against ANWR (again) because Obama did...oh dear, my friends...what is the matter with this picture...we lost by one vote in 05 because of McCain voting against ANWR drilling who led the way on our side of the aisle along with the other RINOs, we do not have drilling and oil on the way yet because of McCain, he is a hypocrite and a phony...we lost by one vote...
He says it was because of pork...he says we spend 700 billion a year to the terrorists for the price we have to pay for oil, he votes against this because of earmarks...then he turns around and votes for the bail-out with tons of pork, all kinds in all areas of our lives, which just happens to be the same price...700 billion...
Lovely isn't it. ..
My friends...
My hair is on fire...I was hoping, beyond hope this wasn't going to happen....but I knew it would.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~Rush Limbaugh
If he voted against it, it would have prevented the bill going thru, so they'd have to use an 'axe' to cut all the pork off. In doing so, many dems and probably republicans may have not passed it. And seeing how if something, anything even if it had some fat on it didn't pass, could be a very disasterous thing in both the short and long run.
Although, I still think it should've been passed without any fat or 'pork' in it. This bill shouldn't have been about anything else EXCEPT for the issue of rescuing the housing market/mortgage crisis. None of this pork for wooden arrows and what-have-you.
And it should be duly noted that the democrats in Washington are the ones that PREVENTED any types of regulation or oversight. According to them, everything was fine and honkey doory. Could it be because they were part of this mess, perhaps receiving large amounts of tax payer dollars to fund certain campaigns in return for...
Isn't the guy that's in charge of this, that is to say, the guy in charge of government oversight, Barney Frank (democrat) has had an actual relationship, both financial, politcal and sexual, with the guy that was working in fannie may? Or was it with the guy with freddie mac, not sure... maybe both?
Didn't President Bush, (current President) bring this issue up to legislative branch over 10 times in his time in office? Was it not the democrats that ignored and rejected these calls from the President, to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT?
Didn't house republicans try to get some oversight on this? Wasn't McCain one of our elected representatives that actually tried to fix and call attention to this years ago?
C'mon already McCain... start MENTIONING NAMES and MAKING THEM FAMOUS!
Health care is 50% run by the government. That is why the cost is going up beyond the rate of inflation. We, the ones that pay for private health insurance, are being scammed by the government low balling the cost to industry. The industry passes on that cost to us.
Get the government out of the health care business. Institute Senator McCain's plan.
Obama said there were some things he didn't understand and then got into Iraq. If I were McCain, I would have said, Of course you don't understand, you weren't there to read the intelligence reports, you weren't there for the briefings, the only thing you were there for was the Monday Morning Quarterbacking.
You are so right...I have tried, I really have...I know I am in the minority, I have had my fill of McCain...just am too weary of this BS all the time...I was hoping some way he could do something smart my friend...
I knew he wouldn't..because he isn't.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~Rush Limbaugh
...best thing to do is: go vote, get drunk on election night, go to work next day. Then watch the Democrats implode for the next 4 years and maybe we can get a true conservative Congress and Leader in 2012. Consider it a 4 year 3 ring Circus! Complete with clown cars and Lincoln bedroom guests. Haha party hats for everyone!! :-(
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it."MM says...
I'm sorry, but if Obama wins I'm sure he and the most radical left Congress in history will do everything they can to make it impossible for conservatives to ever have a chance again.
The bailout package will already give them unprecedented power.
Obama with his Constitutional Law degree will certainly find some way to stack the Supreme court.
Do you really trust your Constitutional rights to today's completely unrestrained Marxists Liberals?
...everything you said, PLUS the 3 ring circus. An Obama administration is going to make BJClinton's look like Jimmah Carter's with worse economic policies.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it."MM says...
It isnt about the conservatives it is about American values.It is about rule of law.It is about the goverment working for the people not dictateing to them.Someone said who do you want to spend your money the goverment or you.That have done a grand job with taxes havent they.Yet they want more to waste.With Sara as VP I think we have a chance.I may not agree with her on everything but her actions speak louder than any of the others words.She did a great job as governor and if McCain gets elected I think she will be a great VP.It is about time we got someone in DC with common sense.
CT that is the truth of it.All we have is people in congress who only care about what is best for themselves.It is sad that they forgot the reason they were elected.
- Federal law stipulates that an oil company must sink a producing well within 10 years or lose the lease (WSJ)
"Unfortunately, not all the leases contain oil and natural gas, and even those that do, may not contain enough to make them commercially viable. In many cases, the so-called “idle” leases are not idle at all; they are under geologic evaluation or in some stage of pre-production development and could be an important source of domestic supply in the not so distant future. Collectively, companies spend billions of dollars to obtain
leases, pay rental fees each year to continue to hold them, and then pay to conduct surveys and other exploratory activity before production even starts. If a company does not produce from a well within a specified period set out during the lease term (usually five or 10 years depending on the area), it relinquishes the lease back to the government and loses all the money it invested." - American Petroleum Institute
- Only 16% of U.S. oil imports come from the Middle East (EIA) - The largest supplier of oil to the U.S. is Canada (EIA) - The second largest supplier of oil to the U.S. is Mexico (EIA) - The U.S. uses 25% of the world's oil supply because it produces over 25% of the world's economy (World Bank)
Reserves: - 1.8 to 6 Trillion barrels of oil are estimated in the U.S. Oil-Shale Reserves (DOE) - 986 Billion barrels of oil are estimated using Coal-to-liquids (CTL) conversion of U.S. Coal Reserves (DOE) - 173 to 315 Billion (1.7-2.5 Trillion potential) barrels of oil are estimated in the Oil Sands of Alberta, Canada (Alberta Department of Energy) - 100 Billion barrels of heavy oil are estimated in the U.S. (DOE) - 90 Billion barrels of oil are estimated in the Arctic (USGS) - 89 Billion barrels of immobile oil are estimated recoverable using CO2 injection in the U.S. (DOE) - 86 Billion barrels of oil are estimated in the U.S. Outer Continental Shelf (MMS) - 60 to 80 Billion barrels of oil are estimated in U.S. Tar Sands (DOE) - 32 Billion barrels of oil are estimated in ANWR, NPRA and the Central North Slope in Alaska (USGS) - 4.3 Billion barrels of oil are estimated in the U.S. Bakken shale formation in North Dakota and Montana (USGS) - 3.65 Billion barrels of oil are estimated in the U.S. Devonian-Mississippian Bakken Formation (USGS) - 1.6 Billion barrels of oil are estimated in the U.S. Eastern Great Basin Province (USGS) - 1.3 Billion barrels of oil are estimated in the U.S. Permian Basin Province (USGS) - 1.1 Billion barrels of oil are estimated in the U.S. Powder River Basin Province (USGS) - 990 Million barrels of oil are estimated in the U.S. Portion of the Michigan Basin (USGS) - 393 Million barrels of oil are estimated in the U.S. San Joaquin Basin Province of California (USGS) - 214 Million barrels of oil are estimated in the U.S. Illinois Basin (USGS) - 172 Million barrels of oil are estimated in the U.S. Yukon Flats of East-Central Alaska (USGS) - 131 Million barrels of oil are estimated in the U.S. Southwestern Wyoming Province (USGS) - 109 Million barrels of oil are estimated in the U.S. Montana Thrust Belt Province (USGS) - 104 Million barrels of oil are estimated in the U.S. Denver Basin Province (USGS) - 98.5 Million barrels of oil are estimated in the U.S. Bend Arch-Fort Worth Basin Province (USGS) - 94 Million barrels of oil are estimated in the U.S. Hanna, Laramie, Shirley Basins Province (USGS)
For Comparison:
- 260 Billion barrels of oil are estimated in Saudi Arabia (EIA)
- 80 Billion barrels of oil are estimated in Venezuela (EIA)
The retreat in Iraq, the unchecked liberal congress, and the far left wing media and 527 groups will conspire to tear our republic apart and replace it with a socialist system aligned against Isreal instead of with them.
Perhaps we will get another good conservative leader out of this mess.
Unfortunately, the game is over and Hussein may get 320 EV's or more. Canada is looking increasingly nicer now. The USSA is coming closer, the United Socialist States of America...brought to you by the European Union.
"A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have" -- Gerald Ford
"The course of history shows that as a government grows,
liberty decreases..."
This is going to be worse than the Carter years...Obama will get to choose at least two Justices. That Court will be with us for at least 20 years or longer. We are in big trouble people. Our freedoms will be hanging in the balance.
The press will not hurt Obama as they did Carter. Carter was a bafoon and couldn't hide it, and the press did not treat Carter's bafoonery kindly.
Obama will do no wrong, however, and anytime he does slip he will be forgiven, much like Clinton.
My great fear is that during his eight years we go way over the 50% threshold of people who depend on government for most aspects of their existence. There's no going back from that until you overthrow the government.
I also hope that our economy will actually do pretty good for a while. If Obama gets in office the press will tout the "Happy Days are Here Again" manatra and people will ease out of the panic mode, (that has been totally exaserbated by the press to coincide with this election cycle).
There is no way in hell obama gets two terms, he is a one and done president if he even wins. He will destroy the economy and will lose in Afghanistan.
"The "Inigma code" was broken using a primitive computer that was designed during WW2. The codebreaking comuters were very limited in their capacity and the computer that you're using to view this message is far more powerful."
That last questions was the dumbest question I think I have ever heard from a moderator. Granted, it was a question from some nut off the internet, but still... can Tom be that dumb?
Of course CT. Tom knew at that point he had it in the bag. Nothing brought up about ayers. Nothing brought up about Rashidi, or wright.
McCain should have incorporated these guys into the debate somehow, but he didn't. It would have been hard for him to do it I thinkwith this format. He must go for it through ads now. The only way.
McCain was horrible, awful, terrible, atrocious, pitiful, pathetic, dreadful and horrendous. 0bama just needed to stand there and look almost presidential.
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Hermano...exactly...and that is just what he did too for the most part... I am so sickened...all the work Palin has done, McCain just erased...and one more to go too with a debate...
Fox is blaming Brokaw...oh come on, give me a break...we all know and knew ahead of time that Brokaw is a lefty...McCain was ...well...McCain...for all to see.
What part of him do people not understand yet?
We are screwed.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~Rush Limbaugh
Yes, we know McCain isn't a Conservative . . and Rush was right he wouldn't name names . . other than his reaching across the isle experience.
But McCain gave more detailed answers than BHO . . . and BHO did not have anything NEW to Say, he was rather redundantly vague as Usual.
McCain ate his lunch at the end on Iraq/Afghan.
Brokaw gave BHO MORE TIME and McCAIN HAD TO ASK FOR equality.
I give a very slight Edge to McCain but he ain't very Republican. . .but closer than BHO.
Not an exciting Debate for sure. The Republican Revolution will not be Televised
Hussein did not have to be substantive, McCain had to be more detailed, but he did not turn minds. I think thatHussien will kick the turd out of McCain, and that makes me ill. Why did Romney lose?
"A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have" -- Gerald Ford
"The course of history shows that as a government grows,
liberty decreases..."
Looks like Obama doesn't need Hillary, and the teleprompter angle is dead. Barry did a fair job at saying nothing without a tele promp and McCain doesn't get it! I was destroying Barry from my easy chair better than our fearless (not) leader.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it."MM says...
I heard The Mc Cain "breathless" comment . . . But I do think McCain is taking the Financial Downturn more personal than BHO . . .AFTER ALL mcCain TRIED TO DO SOMETHING in 2005.
WE are STUCK . . . elect a NEW Congress . .
He accomplished sometting great in '05 JT..he stopped us from being able to drill in ANWR...why do people ignore this..a;ong with his stance on amnesty...along with his vote on the bail-out bill filled with pork...the very reason he says he voted against ANWR.
He can go to where the sun doesn't shine as far as I am concerned.
McCain has no edge in this debate, my gawd, he did the last one, not this, he had plenty of opportunities to do anything, something to get his points across if he wanted to make them...
He didn't.
JMHO
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~Rush Limbaugh
Yep, he claimed that computer was invented by the government! Be glad he did not claim he did it (Al Gorleone would).
Did you all noticed that now when it is proven that last few years being colder than average, these idiots changed the name to "CLIMATE CHANGE" last few weeks, so they could be right either way?
"Climate change" is a moniker coined by the Bush Adminstration during their first term that was imposed onto the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). The terminology "global warming" was "discouraged" in NOAA reports and/or publications. I know -- I was there. That said, I'm not in disagreement with Bush on this -- "climate change" is a fundamental geophysical reality that humanity faces and has always faced, whether it be AGW or the impending Ice Age.
And Darkness and Decay and the Red Death held illimitable dominion over all. -- Edgar Allan Poe
I can't understand why McCain does not emphasize the primary advantage he enjoys over Barack Obama--experience. He should be slamming it over the viewer's head that, in times of crisis, you do not hand the wheel to a novice, especially one who wants to abandon the principles that made America a great country to begin with. He should be telling us that we need to return to the fundamentals that created our prosperity, not turning to socialistic principle that have failed time after time. Instead, McCain is trying to beat Obama at his own game, suggesting we need to re-write everybody's mortgage.
Mitt Romney should have been the Republican nominee, period.
Did you buy a $500,000 with no money down that you obviously couldn't afford and had no idea why someone would let you move into that house? Well, it looks like you are in luck because the government is going to reduce your mortgage to something you can afford. What if you can't afford anything?
after the "debate"? At first I thought the director was intentionally putting the camera on Obama and his wife as they smoozed with the audience. Then I realized McCain had just....left. What was he thinking?? So Obama had at least 10 mins of uninterrupted face time smoozing with the audience, smiling, signing autographs, patting backs, taking pictures with the audience, glad-handing and smoozing. I just couldn't believe it and could only think that McCain was sick?? I still don't get it. Not only did he not pound Obama where he could have, but then to allow him to basically take 10 or more minutes of uninterrupted victory laps was very bizarre.
MM, it is OK. bigtimer has an advantage in that Big Sky country doesn't have too many EVs. You are soooooooo lucky, BT. I have to worry about 21 in PA.
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We all are dissappointed in McCain . . .and we are thinking about a Dual Assasination as a Solution . . right ?
But Vote McCain and maybe the Stress will do him in and Sarah gets an Early Start. . OK ?
It was Bad only because we still don't like Either Candidat.
nobama !!
After the debate I googled the 2004 election Polls...in late October 2004, all of the polls had Kerry up by at least 2-4 points. We do remember how that turned out. I am just sayin...
No ifs, ands or buts about it. Sen McCain MUST bring up Obama's connections to Ayers, Wright and Rezko. He needs to bring up FNMA and FHLMC and tell America that because of the policy's of the Democrats to force banks to give loans to extremly risky people brought about this current economic crisis. He has to say to them Bush and the Republicans WANTED to have more regulation and that Obama's friends blocked that from happening, he should then say,"And seeing your record on consistantly voting with your party would have meant you too would have voted to let FN and FH to run the course that it has"
I am praying that Sen. McCain brings a big stick to smack Obama around in the final debate so it is fresh in the minds of America at what a RISKY choice it would be to vote for Obama.
Voting for Obama will set the USA on the path to Socialism/Communism.
And Giuliani should have been the nominee this year. He would have mopped the floor w/ Obama, along with all the Obama surrogates at CNN and MS/NBC. Rudy's too moderate I guess. Live and learn.
it was a funny scene asking the old lady at the voting site how to write in a candidate ... she had no clue. i often wonder how many votes mccain got in 2000 ... and please don't say "more than he'll get in 2008"
i like mccain a lot, but i feel he's too soft on some things ... regardless, he's the only person i trust with our military
these people are full of themselves ... brokaw was as horrible as expected ... his performace totally made me miss russert. i knew there would be trouble when he announced that he, alone, chose the questions.
my question is whether or not he intentionally chose questions to neutralize mccain's supposed advantage of a town-hall style debate.
the questions were pretty lame ... hard to believe they were "the best"
So you noticed that too? I think the formula for Tom was simple... pick the easiest questions for Obama to respond to. That way, if there is a tie in the debate, it's a win for Obama.
United States Soldiers are offered the leeway to bitch, piss and moan about just about anything, but they have a code in putting their lives on the line to shutting up, shouldering the pack and line fire walking no matter the battle.
I thank God the bloggers on Newsbusters saying this election is lost just because Karl Rove is tallying patrician numbers for people not intelligent enough to know he is telling Americans get off their butts or their is going to be an Obama, were not at Valley Forge or any other hell hole Americans have bled for as we would be subjects now, speaking French, Spanish, German or Russian.
Apparently my words held too much sway here in now becoming a mantra of "I don't support McCain" for people taking cheap shots at him.
John McCain is the horse in this race and that is the fact and I will ride this war hero no matter what because the alternative is Obama.
There is a vast difference between a socialist like McCain and a Marxist like Obama. Just ask the French how socialist DeGalle was and then ask Ukrainians millions dead was under Marxist Stalin.
The white flag wavers are typical of the people complaining on here about how Congress sold American voters out. Where were any of you in this fight kicking the hell out of Congress when Lott was prissing around not doing a thing. Now when the fight has just begun you have groused that the election is lost.
I have news for you children who have no idea what the fight is that Ronald Reagan was loosing to Jimmy Carter at this point in the election and was being hammered worse than McCain.
Reagan didn't have Sarah Palin and all he had was his "Governor of California record" which was lame.
Apparently too many people have no idea what a fight it took to get America to this point in the Reagan Revolution. How it took the Christians getting out the vote. How it took house by house visits by local Republicans. This just didn't happen to which too many people walked into it and thought Reagan just happened.
Ronald Reagan took 20 years, 2 defeats by his own party before he gained the opportunity to get this far in the fight John McCain is in now for the life of America.
I'm not going to abandon my country. I won't abandon the GOP, but will instead fight for it in more effort than I will ever admit too as it is nobody's business the sacrifices I made for America or this nation.
But if you don't understand all it took. The remarks of Reagan being degraded. The 2 LONGGGGGGGGG YEARS the US economy floundered under Reagan and we almost had a revolution in the United States of a literal uprising against our government, you don't have a clue about what a political fight is and how to win one.
I will warn people once again. You have no idea what is coming in the next years, because the world is going to change in the worst of ways. George W. Bush kept the nuclear fires at bay as our best hope and now John McCain is our last hope as the world becomes engulfed to save this nation from an invasion.
I don't write things to grab headlines nor to come up with silly phrases to grab attention. I speak in literal facts, historical and projection. I'm the one who was talking about Eurasian world war years ago and all of a sudden Russia flexes and all the pundits start chattering about what they read I posted as their own.
I've done allot of warning here as a witness and the words given me ended up in columns and radio shows as teaching is what this was the main concern.
Nobody here is being shot at as they type unlike the Soldiers America has sent out. Most of them don't do any of the bitching that goes on here. I will take on John McCain after his election in promoting a better agenda for him to outgrow his socialistic reactions. That is the difference in this as John McCain is the answer and Barack Obama is the problem.
So be a part of the solution and get out and get 10 of your couch slouchers to the polls to vote for McCain Palin as you do not want to be facing the economic, nuclear dust clouds from the Middle East settling over America, ports shut down, New York radioactive and central Europe running the show as then you're not going to be able to hide behind your computers as it will be the real slug match of every nation using all they have to win a scorched earth war as the world is not going to be fighting to win the damnable thing but is going to be the one who survives it and will lead for the next 1000 years.
Stop expecting for things to be handed to you. John McCain has earned his slack being butchered in a POW camp. So unless you pulled people out of the Twin Towers, hauled people out of the Pentagon, have a CIB or Purple Heart, give the defeat talk a rest and get up and win this thing.
McCain won the last half of the Debate as even BHO was uglier than Mc
Meanwhile Hotair has a less Emotional Analysis and "NO" the debate wasn't a Game changer . .neck and neck still
Reagan was governor of the largest state in the country for 8 years and had a degree in Economics. Palin is no Ronald Reagan!
I'll abandon the GOP because they abandoned me! Port Security, Illegal Immigration, Amnesty, "Cap and Trade" and now the Bailout. I'm no fanboy like you.
Now you are irresponsibly stating we are going to be invaded? Please go take your medication.
I watched a bit of the debate. Okay, it wasn't Lincoln/Douglas. This format has been blandified and homogenized until it's almost an insult to the word "debate." But I gotta agree with LC.
What is up here? Earlier today and yesterday, everyone was thrilled! McCain had finally taken off the gloves, and beat Obama up about being more of a political insider than he's still willing to admit. Called him on his lies, called him a liar. Palin had gone after Ayers and Wright etc. The MSM was in full-shielding mode. We were writing posts and checking links, high-fiving and charged up. We had them on the run, up against the wall. We were takin' it to 'em. And now... ?
What did you expect, Daniel Freakin' Webster? Didn't we get over the fact that we got McCain, like it or not? We've only known it for, what, 2-3 months? Now, suddenly, everyone's talking "burnt pork" and suicide hot-lines? So what's changed?
What, everyone here thinks Oblabla wiped the floor with McCain? He just embarrassed him to tears? I'll tell you what I saw, and thought. I saw two politicians, and one of them said "I'm goingto..." and the other said "We need to..." One talked about passing laws to force insurance on everyone, and fining employers, one talked about giving back tax credits to you to help pay for it. Not perfect, okay, but a better deal than Obama's, and nowhere near written in stone anyway. You disagree, vote for the O-man.
I heard McCain call Obama on his "untruths." He called him on it. I did too, I was talking to the TV, calling him on it. I wasn't sitting there with my head in my hands! What did you want, a boxing-match? I saw Obama ask for extra time to defend himself and I saw Brokaw tell him NO. Who expected that? Not me, I was shocked, but he did it. Ever hear of counting your blessings? Take what you can get, especially when you expected nothing?
Bottom line, I saw nothing here, nothing, to justify the nearly universal doom-and-gloom going on when I came to this thread after the debate. All I've heard all day here was "Hey, this ain't over," and "look at the MSM spinning, boy, they're worried," and "we've got to keep pushing," and "hey, we can do this, get the word out" and on and on and on. We were fired up! Even the trolls were almost absent, I looked coz I had a taste for some. They were smart enough to know they were in trouble, otherwise they'd have been here gloating. So, what do they know that you guys don't?
WTF changed that? Some staged show, that we knew was going to be stacked against us? So what, time to just pick up our ball and go home? Well, not me. I'm heading for bed soon, but I'll be back tomorrow. These debates are a joke anyway. There's still a month to go until the only poll that means anything. Heard some surrender talk today because of the freakin' polls. Not much, some. But nothing like this freaking whining!
You want to quit, go ahead. I don't get turned around that easily, and I don't quit that easily either. Not when the stakes are this high. I'm voting and working not-Obama, no matter what or who that means, at this point. I'll worry about Obama winning after he wins, and after I've done everything I can to prevent it. That's called fighting for what you believe in, and spreading the truth. That's what I'm going to do.
What are you going to do?
"... smells like.... victory." - Robert Duvall, Apocalypse Now
Unfortunately the masses feel more than they think. Mathematics trained students to be a little too logical for Liberals and thus they killed it off in public schools. Now you know why the US has such low scores in Math.
I think Obama clearly won the feeling crowd.
I haven't given up. I've decided to volunteer full time in a week or so.
I aint givin up; Remember John Paul Jones, Remember the Alamo and the line is drawn in the sand, I regret that i have but 1 vote to cast for my country.
(GRINS) kilrod
Remember, only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier
I agree with every word!!!! For a while I thought I had signed onto a Kos debate chat by mistake.
“Most of them don't do any of the bitching that goes on here”....
Surrender is not an option nor is losing. When part of your perimeter is being overrun in the middle of the night, you can’t surrender, you can’t runaway. You can't bitch. You can't moan.
You can’t act like a petulant child.
You must fight. You must attack. You can’t leave your buddies to the mercy of the enemy. Your enemy has no mercy. I know this, I have a Combat Action Ribbon (US Marine Corps equivalent to the Army’s CIB).
As Lame Cherry has pointed out the future of our country is at stake. There will be no coming back in 4 or 8 yrs. Obama and the dems with both houses of congress with make that impossible.
Barry should have studied Murphy’s Laws of Combat. Sin Loy.
If you can't remember . . . the claymore is probably pointed at you. Murphy’s Laws of Combat
I think McCain did quite well given the horrible questions asked.
He laid blame on Obama and dems for the housing crisis and pointed out Obamas campaign donations from fan and fred.
He refutted pretty much everything Obama said and seemed more knowledgeable on the issues and more experienced. He answered the questions faster, packed more information into his answers and constantly kept Obama on the defensive. The negative point came when he had to say health care was a reponsibility not a right and that was a horribly biased question that Tom already knew what the answer would be and he chose it wisely to make McCain look bad. McCain's strongest point was calling out Obama on stating how he would kill Bin Laden. I thought it made Obama look very foolish. Obama continues to look very naive and say what he wants people to hear, McCain continues to be more experienced on the issues.
This is one time I am not going to blame the msm..it is and was McCain's to win or lose...we all know what they will say anyway if he had won...but he didn't.... not even close.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~Rush Limbaugh
Do I think McCain did what he had to do to change the direction of the race? No.
Do I think that McCain had a great performance? No. But do I think it was a disaster? No.
I think the reason that everybody seems so down about this is because there were such high hopes that McCain would say or do something that would seem to turn the race around. I also think that McCain's mention of this program about the government buying up and reducing the amount of many of these bad mortgage loans threw a lot of people...I still don't understand all of what he meant by that idea.
Now with that said, I also don't think Obama had a particularly good performance either. He did what he needed to do tonight...Basically, show up, string some relatively coherent sentences together, and don't make any really obvious gaffes. Obama did what he usually does. He talks and talks and manages to avoid any specifics (because he doesn't have any). He, like McCain, also didn't have a great moment.
All things considered, I still think McCain smoked Obama on tax and foreign policy issues. And I think the last question, inane though it was, set up McCain's best response.
This debate set up didn't lend itself to McCain going after Obama on Ayers etc. That will have to wait for the campaign trail rhetoric.
The last debate is billed as focusing on foreign policy issues, which is McCain's strongest area, so we can hope for his best performance there.
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
This debate set up didn't lend itself to McCain going after Obama on Ayers etc. That will have to wait for the campaign trail rhetoric.
I agree. I think Sen. McCain was speaking tonite to the undecideds and moderate dems. This was not the format/place to bring up Ayers & company. We are sooooo frustrated and angry that the msm, ACORN, (along with dems in congress) have trampled all over our freedom- of speech freedom of free market-freedom to fair votes, that we only would be happy if McCain had picked up the stool and whopped obama (then tom) upside their silly liberal heads?!!
Copy that. These debates were never, ever about the base. They're meant to sway the moderates, which both sides need to win.
What surprises me is that the base seems very upset about tonight. Here, at any rate.
Hey, I'm no McCain booster. I never was. I don't usually have the time of day for "moderates." I agree with Rush, a moderate is someone who can't make up their minds, because they have no principles. They want to be seen as "thoughtful." They're not thoughtful, they're afraid of having to defend their thoughts. But, a politician needs them.
I didn't put much stock or hope on any of the debates. And, for me, they haven't changed a thing. Maybe that's why I'm not ready to throw in the towel. We got a month to go, and I intend to use it.
"... smells like.... victory." - Robert Duvall, Apocalypse Now
"...that we only would be happy if McCain had picked up the stool and whopped obama (then tom) upside their silly liberal heads?!!"
I love it, and you're right. The fight's not over yet...A month is a lifetime in politics, and McCain should continue his attacks on Obama and his personal and political connections. I don't think many in this country truly see or realize just who this man really is.
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
when I said that people "...don't realize who this man really is".
As far as McCain is concerned, I have known from the start who he is and what he has supported (or not) over the years. As I've said in the past here on NB, I am not and haven't ever been a particularly enthusiastic McCain supporter...He wasn't my first choice, ever. But, given the choice between voting for McCainPalin, ObamaBiden, or not voting at all, I will still be voting for McCainPalin.
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
and I share your disappointment and exhaustion about this whole thing.For months, I have thought more times than I can count that I wish we had a different, stronger candidate for president, and that sentiment has not changed.
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
I live in fear for what is happening to our country.
Real fear.
The bail out bill that was passed earlier (that McCain voted for) has a provision in it that allows for "foreclosure mitigation." This means that the federal government gets to meddle in rewriting loans.
So, if you borrowed $500,000, but you failed to pay your loan on time, then the government can come in and--poof--you now only owe $200,000.
In tonight's debate, McCain presented his new McCain Resurgence Plan where he wants $300 Billion more of our dollars to buy up bad loans---yes, they want to bail out idiots who borrowed too much money for houses they could not afford--and they want to bail them out by forgiving their debt. God all mighty. I'm pissed off big time over this one. That's one of the most ridiculously socialistic tactics I've seen since, wait, last week!!!!!
(Can they do that to my law loan? Wait, I'd have to fall behind in my payments, right? No sweat. I can do that. So, if I go spend all my hard earned money on say, crack cocaine, beer, big trucks, hookers, fancy vacations, flashy clothes, alcohol, and drugs, and fail to pay my law loan, will the federal government then let me off the hook for, say, $75,000 of my law loan? What do you think? Let's try it, okay?)
Our country is going down the wrong path.
This is just wrong on every possible level.
And McCain fucked up big time tonight. He really failed on all fours. (Yes, I cursed. So sue me over it.)
He will not get my vote. (He had my vote up until tonight with his Resurgence Plan.) I'm so mad I took down my McCain yard sign.
I was never going to vote for McCan't in the 1st place. The only redeeming thing he ever did was put Sarah Palin on the ticket. As far as I am concerned I will be pulling the lever on Nov 4th For Sarah Palin and against Obama and the Stalinist MSM.
I noticed the part about the McCain Resurgence Plan. Blatant socialism. It's like he doesn't even try to be a conservative...very likely because he forgot (or doesn't care) why the conservatives even insist on having their own party to begin with (all in the name of bi-partisanship- or rather, "post-partisanship." He's a "me-too" candidate").
I was about to buy a McCain/Palin bumper sticker, but I canceled those plans after last night's debate. Palin was foolish to join a ticket with McCain on it.
What in the hell are you trying to do?? The stereotypical lawyer has worked hard to acheive the level of disdain bestowed upon her/him! Why are you trying to destroy the hard earned reputation of an entire group of predominately self-ordained elitists? All I can say is...
...you've got one lucky husband.
More on topic though...Something is only worth what someone else is willing to pay. Unless the government gets involved of course.
A quick quiz for ya' AG. Henry Handout buys a home for $500,000. No money down. The government then gives Henry $150,000 to apply to his loan to make it more "manageable". Henry turns around and sells the home to Iwant Sometoo for $465,000. Does Henry pay capital gains on the $115,000 profit or does the government step in and give Mr. Sometoo the $150,000 he also deserves? Or do Henry and Iwant split the cash and giggle with glee? You seem to be a smart person. Please figure this out for me. Sorry, no retainer until I come into some government "glee" money.
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
If we can fight harder. If we aren't under a police state by then. Think I'm overreacting? Look how often it's happened throughout history.
The usual death of a Democracy happens when a too big government with too high taxes causes the economy to collapse. Then there's a violent revolution and the masses install a leader with Dictatorial powers and the tyranny begins.
I submit to you that the violence has already occurred in the media raping of Sarah. Or it could be that we will have riots in the inner cities on or right before election day as a "vote for Obama or else" kind of protest.
It's pretty clear we are already in the middle of an economic collapse.
I fear with the most partisan leftist Congress in history, Obama will be given unprecedented powers to "solve" the crisis. "Solving" the crisis will of course require silencing all opposition.
Review the history of Democracies and convince me I'm overreacting...please!
We know that he is a Marxist. We know what he intends to do.
Thta is why we must fight harder if anything. This is no joke.
As someone said on another post above this is 1976 all over again.
But remember what 4 years of genuine leftist ideology did for the conservative movement?
We cannot surrender our beliefs even if our luke warm candidate doesn't make it. If anything W's spending habits and a McCain loss should make us more conservative, not less. We need to go further into the true conservative principles we hold dear and demand candidates who represnt those beliefs.
In 1988 AM radio was controlled by left leaning psycho babble personalities and comedy teams.
Now we have an internt that is dominated by left leaning blogmeisters. We can use this technology to spread our own message.
Why not form out these potential ashes a massive conservative internet guild. 20 million users all dedicated to shaping opinion, keeping each other informed, debating finer points, endorsing candidates, raising money for someone such as Sarah Palin, one member at a time. If McCain loses now why should we allow our prinicples to die.
Man I'm a classical musician. I have dedicated my whole life to a form of music that most Americans think is fodder for broad comedy. But I believe in it so I lecture about it and I write music and tell people about how exciting it is...and I make a living at it.
If I can commit to that then why shouldn't we commit to what I am saying? There are 20 million Rush fans alone. Isn't that a strong enough base? Couldn't we turn that into 40 milion or 50 million?
If Obama wins and does everything we are predicting he will do are you prepared to just had him your homes and businesses?
Make no mistake. Barack Obama will bring communism to the White House, but he hasn't replaced those justices yet, and the dems are unlikely to have a super majority in the senate.
Let us communicate with our representatives. Let us band together.
Let us fight the oppression before it even has a chance to be set in place.
Rally for God's sake. It is time for at least virtual pitchforks and torches.
I intend to cast a proud vote for the more conservative ticket because there is at least one true conservative on the ticket.
If that ticket loses I intend to keep voicing my demands for liberty and capitalism.
Seems like someone in McCain's posse would have told him, by now, to stop using that tired mousy-mouthed "my friends" phrase. Hardhead that he is though...
I'm not your friend, you cap-n-trade, shamnesty, left-reaching dumb cluck!
And here is a newer (live) version, just for the hell of it.
And no, this song is not anti free-enterprise, so spare me the angry PMs.
Big Money
Words by Neil Peart, music by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson
Big money goes around the world
Big money underground
Big money got a mighty voice
Big money make no sound
Big money pull a million strings
Big money hold the prize
Big money weave a mighty web
Big money draw the flies
Sometimes pushing people around
Sometimes pulling out the rug
Sometimes pushing all the buttons
Sometimes pulling out the plug
Its the power and the glory
Its a war in paradise
Its a cinderella story
On a tumble of the dice
Big money goes around the world
Big money take a cruise
Big money leave a mighty wake
Big money leave a bruise
Big money make a million dreams
Big money spin big deals
Big money make a mighty head
Big money spin big wheels
Sometimes building ivory towers
Sometimes knocking castles down
Sometimes building you a stairway --
Lock you underground
Its that old-time religion
Its the kingdom they would rule
Its the fool on television
Getting paid to play the fool
Big money goes around the world
Big money give and take
Big money done a power of good
Big money make mistakes
Big money got a heavy hand
Big money take control
Big money got a mean streak
Big money got no soul...
-Dave
If this nation is to be saved, umm, oh, nevermind! We're glued, screwed and tattooed!
Folks, I was supportive of McCain until tonight. Now I refuse to vote for him or anyone else. I'll write in my own name.
I cannot vote for him out of my own conscience.
Tonight during the most boring debate in the history of color TV, McCain presented--out of left field--his proposal for the American Home Ownership Resurgence Plan (the McCain Resurgence Plan).
He's an idiot. Really.
Here is the McCain campaign's actual news release on it:
AMERICAN HOMEOWNERSHIP RESURGENCE PLAN
John McCain will direct his Treasury Secretary to implement an American Homeownership Resurgence Plan (McCain Resurgence Plan) to keep families in their homes, avoid foreclosures, save failing neighborhoods, stabilize the housing market and attack the roots of our financial crisis. America’s families are bearing a heavy burden from falling housing prices, mortgage delinquencies, foreclosures, and a weak economy. It is important that those families who have worked hard enough to finance homeownership not have that dream crushed under the weight of the wrong mortgage. The existing debts are too large compared to the value of housing. For those that cannot make payments, mortgages must be re-structured to put losses on the books and put homeowners in manageable mortgages. Lenders in these cases must recognize the loss that they’ve already suffered.
The McCain Resurgence Plan would purchase mortgages directly from homeowners and mortgage servicers, and replace them with manageable, fixed-rate mortgages that will keep families in their homes. By purchasing the existing, failing mortgages the McCain resurgence plan will eliminate uncertainty over defaults, support the value of mortgage-backed derivatives and alleviate risks that are freezing financial markets.
The McCain resurgence plan would be available to mortgage holders that:
· Live in the home (primary residence only)
· Can prove their creditworthiness at the time of the original loan (no falsifications and provided a down payment).
The new mortgage would be an FHA-guaranteed fixed-rate mortgage at terms manageable for the homeowner. The direct cost of this plan would be roughly $300 billion because the purchase of mortgages would relieve homeowners of “negative equity” in some homes. Funds provided by Congress in recent financial market stabilization bill can be used for this purpose; indeed by stabilizing mortgages it will likely be possible to avoid some purposes previously assumed needed in that bill.
The plan could be implemented quickly as a result of the authorities provided in the stabilization bill, the recent housing bill, and the U.S. government’s conservatorship of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. It may be necessary for Congress to raise the overall borrowing limit. [End of quote.]
McCain is bailing out irresponsible folks who bought overpriced homes with adjustable rate mortgages and who did not live within their means!!!!!
He is bailing out free-spending, losers while folks like me who ate tuna while getting a law degree, drove an old car (and still do!!!), and who worked my ass off to build a law practice and have a home I can actually afford and made payments on WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR THESE LOSERS' OVERSPENDING.
I'M SICK OF IT.
I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT.
I WAS AGAINST THE BAIL OUT.
I AM AGAINST McCAIN's RESURGENCE PLAN.
What I need to do is start a pitchfork and torch business and sell like hell to everyone else who is mad enough to march on Washington and throw all the bums out onto the street.
I would have voted for Sarah Palin. But I cannot now vote for McCain. I just can't.
I just took the McCain yard sign out of my yard.
It's going in the trash.
And I'm a true Republican.....
But McCain is not.
He should have fought like a mad dog against the bail out.
He just lost the election tonight.
This county will go to hell, and I'll just have to make more money by working harder so I can pay for everyone else's irresponsibility.
You are not alone...after the global warming crap, he did this, another bail-out got free housing bill at the expense of us tax-payers out here who have worked, slaved, paid our mortgages, sacrificed ...everything..
Now he had the audicity to add 300 billion to another 1 trillion (because that is what the bail-out bill is eventually going to reach) to us...all for voters...
The problem is, most people here, think McCain is just pandering, he really doesn't mean it...
YES HE DOES!
Wake up out there people...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~Rush Limbaugh
but I still have to vote McCain to defeat Hussein Obama. It won't be many more years till I go to meet Jesus And I don't want Him to ask me why I allowed a muslim communist to take over America. America was dedicated to Jesus 300 years ago.
No. You obviously don't understand the difference between Socialism and Marxism. Read a little about the horrors Stalin perpetrated on his citizens and then make the same statement.
Socialism is what countries like France, Germany, UK ect. have.
I'm sorry, maybe it's a flaw of mine, but I don't respect opinions when they appear lacking in certain knowledge. Total government control has ALWAYS caused the greatest pain and suffering the world has seen no matter what it's called; Dictatorship, Monarchies, Marxism, Theocracies, ect.
I also realize it's a flaw of mine that I tend to slap people in the face with what I think is the truth. I've lost jobs doing that so don't expect me to change on the Internet lol.
I don't expect anything of you...it is the internet...nobody asked you to change.
I do understand the difference between the two, I just didn't and don't feel like getting into which evil do we pick here...
In my opinion, one of the biggest mistakes we make in this country is to keep on voting for the lesser of two evils, this election is the worst in my lifetime of voting...
I just hope whatever happens either way, people wake up, send a strong message elect and vote for a real conservative next go around, that is if a real one is elected in the primaries next go 'round..
I'll vote for who my conscience tells me to...not because of popular opinion to go along to get along.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~Rush Limbaugh
Many brave men and women died to give you freedom to follow your heart. Stick to your guns and don't compromise. Your self respect is worth a lot more than someone elses opinion.
I would suggest those that died for our freedoms would expect us to follow our heads when we pick a president so we don't lose the freedoms they fought for. Following your heart is fine for love, beauty, music, art work and such, but not for picking a president.
Where will your self respect be when a president Obama pulls out the troops in Iraq too soon and millions die in the ensuing civil war and violent overthrow by Al Qaeda? How would that honor those that died for our freedoms there?
Don't forget that Governor Palin is the true conservative to vote for. I suspect McCain's main interest is finishing the war and will step down when it's done.
I have only once voted for the lesser of two evils therefore I have rarely voted for president. I will not vote for McCain. In the end I may vote against full Democrat control of the government, against the indoctrination of our young, against Marxism, against universal health care and against the control Soros' & Sandler's money allows but I will not vote for McCain. The lack of the elective process to put up more than a couple of decent candidates in the last 30 years shows there are many flaws in the system.
In the end only one of these will get me to hold my nose and vote McCain and that is to prevent a one party ruling in Washington led by our current democrat leaders. Obama is an outsider to the Pelosi/Reid group but his support will be bought with pro-minority social give-aways and the leaders of our current Congress will be the ones who will truly control Washington and the msm will happily ignore the further decline of American society.
Sorry - a little depressed this morning. My favorite pub may be going out of business next month.
I agree the situation sucks. There were too many true conservatives in the primary and they split up the conservative vote allowing the most liberal candidate to win.
However, I'm really voting FOR Sarah Palin just on the hope McCain is really only interested in ending the wars successfully, with honor and with the least causalities and then getting out of Sarah's way.
Boy do I, to coin a phrase made famous by Bill Clinton (am I really quoting him?), "feel your pain." I'm not trying to be flip...I really do feel your anguish and disgust at this situation.
I agree with everything you said, except that you can't now vote for McCain. I understand and agree with your anger and disillusionment about this "resurgence plan." My husband and I have worked our fannies off to achieve what we have too, and the idea that some irresponsible idiots may possibly get bailed out by MY tax money, is horrendous. But...as opposed as I am to this program, I still cannot bring myself to sit on the sidelines and not vote at all, which to me, would be like aiding and abetting an Obama and Co. win.
I truly respect your position on this, but the thought of Barack Obama becoming president of this country is so abhorrent to me, that I just can't bring myself to sit this election out.
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
I hope it doesnt get this bad .....but I am having trouble visualizing Obama not winning .... pains me to say it and will pain the nation much more .. the pendulum is swinging as it does in the US .. I just hope it doesnt swing too far left .. and with no one standing in the way I suspect the damage will be deep .. forgive me for the cliche at the photoshop i did in the link
I can't believe McCain let Obama get away with half the comments he made. I would absolutely like to see the questions that Brokaw decided weren't good enough for what ever reason. Not one question to Obama's questionable past and associations.
This election is in the tank, unless the silent majority gets out in droves we are in trouble. As much as I dislike McCain I despise Obama and it would be criminal not to cast my vote against him.
I didn't watch the debate, but I'm guessing Obama continued tying McCain to Bush, which has been a running theme throughout his campaign. Has anyone noticed that it seems to be ok to tie MCain to Bush, but tying Obama to Ayers, or Wright, or Hamas, or pretty much anyone else is "guilt by association" and is off limits? Funny how that works out, isn't it?
Obama's Economic plan: more taxes, more spending, more regulation. Prosperity here we come.
2) Regroup and call in the reinforcements ( PALIN ).
This is a fight for the next 4 years of policy. Are you guys gonna give it to the Dems....do it!! Think your 401k sucks now??? Just wait.
I am NOT going to hand over power to the Democrats without a FIGHT!!
I have my own mini-fights with LIBERALS...here is what I did last week:
I needed to register to vote to change my address. I saw a guy registering people to vote in the Fry's Electronics parking lot. OBAMA crap all over the place...his shirt, hat, car, "vote here" written on back of an Obama sign, etc.
I gotta get this done anyway...so I might as well mess with this guy! I pull up and parked my car right next to his little card table. It's 1pm cst...right during Rush's show...which I am listening to as usual!
I get out...crank up the radio so I...and he...can hear Rush loud and clear while I'm standing by my car. I get the form...I play stupid and make him explain every line on the registration..he has to raise his voice to get heard over Rush.
I start filling out the form on the trunk of my car...thus keeping him there to answer all of my made up questions.
I can tell he is getting irritated by having to listen to Rush...so I'm really going to mess with this guy!!! Right as I get ready to sign it...I "mess up" the signature...
OOOPS!! I gotta start all over again!!!
I made this LIBERAL listen to 25 minutes of Rush Limbaugh!!
The look on his face was PRICELESS!!
Ster.
"What do Barack Obama and Osama bin Laden have in common? They both have friends who bombed the Pentagon." -Rush.
And I disagree with most posters here stating McCain lost this one outright. I'm looking forward to reviewing the transcript of this one, as I think it will produce numerous gems with which to attack Obama's platform. Now, whether McCain does this, I have no idea, but hopefully Palin will pick up his slack.
Obama stated he would encourage national conscription for Americans either in the Peace Corp/Americorp, and the military. I think he did this when asked the 'sacrifice' question.
In addition, while stating that earmarks 'only' make up approx 18B of the nat'l budget, he then went on during another question to make a big deal of the US spending approx $16B in Iraq per day. He actually stated that these earmarks are no big deal.
Obama outlined how he would continue to pressure allies and proceed to talk directly to enemies such as N. Korea and Iran. He made an absolute gaff by stating he would support 'democracy' in Pakistan. Knowing full well that democracy there means an islamic fundamentalist gov't, already armed with nuclear weapons. Good thing our nuclear pact with India has been completed.
He flubbed the question regarding Russia, and about protecting Israel. I have no idea what he was saying about the Holocaust, but it was garbled and incoherent.
He confirmed, as McCain charged, that he would FINE parents for not making sure their children were insured. He confirmed he would raise taxes on SMALL Businesses, and tried to minimize the effect by stating only a small percentage of small businesses make over $250K/year. Well, they're still small businesses, which confirms his ignorance of how businesses operate.
Please, before the conservatives on this site abandon McCain and state that he lost this debate, please reconsider, and read the transcript. What Obama is planning is hostile to this nation and the world. I know that McCain is not our ideal candidate, but I have faith that the conservative members of the house and senate would be able to minimize whatever actions he takes regarding climate change, economics, etc.
Too much at stake....there was one moment towards the end that I feel McCain could have pounced and chose not to....
When Obama started with the ridiculous line..."Some of you may remember 9/11." And the proceded to state how Bush asked the country "to shop" after 9/11, McCain should have replied that he recalled Bush giving that same speech at ground zero but that he remembered that it helped calm our fears, the speech that reminded us that we were Americans and that we could/would overcome the tragedy because of the fact that we were Americans...and that Republicans and Democrats alike applauded that speech.
He should then have said that someone else was making their opinons known on that very day....a friend of the Messiah named "Ayers"...and he could have reminded everyone that his friend, the man in whose living room he chose to kick off his political career was quoted in the New York Times as saying that his group "didn't do enough" in their bombings on the Pentagon....
Imagine the look on his face....imagine the MSM outrage....would have been priceless...and a "game-changer" in my opinion.
Kind of a vicious circle, huh sick_puppy. Repubs keep sending their same message of socialism-lite to conservatives. Where has it gotton them? Where is it going to get them come November?
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Why bother?
October 7, 2008 - 20:06 ET by pwoz(repost from earlier today)
McCain's already lost the election. His lack of a spine in calling out
SOCIALISM on Obama, as well as the support of that pathetic "bailout"
guaranteed the comrade's victory last week.
it's tough to kick the rino
October 7, 2008 - 20:21 ET by TruthMongerit's tough to kick the rino habit
Journalism is the opium of the liberals
Its Obvious...
October 7, 2008 - 22:01 ET by aerovelo...That McCain isnt the star on this ticket. He just cant wow them like Sarah.
He did pretty well, but he does need to realize, his job at this point is to hold the door for Sarah. If he cant do that then I guess Obama is holding the door for Hillary.
I still believe Sarah and John can pull it off. All they have to do is keep hammering Obama's lack of experience and shady past. The dems have their fingerprints all over our current financial situation and if Sarah and McCain cant make hay with that...then I dont know what would.
McCain has to realize also, he is not going to win any Dem voters...what he has to do is get the conservative right to start frothing at the mouth over a win in November. If he can get them to come out and bring two friends, he stands a chance.
Someone said he should stop saying "my friends". I think he should stop saying "we need bipartisan effort". Screw that, inspire your base, insure they come out for you in droves. McCain, your base gives a crap about bipartisanship.
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Ask yourself: Do I want a good paying job, or do I want a government hand out. Its that simple!
Obama is evil, through and through (important, read on)
October 7, 2008 - 23:28 ET by wdhorningPresident Bush helped to stop WW III by ordering troops into Iraq, a war Obama opposed (read on).
Look at what Iran is doing today. It is spinning up its yellowcake for the obvious purpose of making nuclear weapons.
Had Obama been president in 2003, instead of Bush, we would have never
gone into Iraq. Instead, Saddam would have soon kicked the IAEA out,
and right now be spinning up his 600 tons of yellow cake, just like in
Iran. (And 600 tons can make about 142 nuclear weapons.)
And as soon as Iran and Iraq both built enough nuclear weapons, the two
countries would start WW III, destroy 1/3 of the world's energy
sources, making the current financial crisis look like a child's piggy
bank broke open or something compared to a world-wide economic
depression, and this all would have virtually tossed us back into the
stone age, all thanks to a man named Obama.
And to the rest of you traitors to the USA, the U.S. military, this
past summer, pulled the 600 tons of yellowcake out of Iraq, and all I
have to say to you traitors, if 600 tons of yellow cake, enough for 142
nuclear weapons, is not WMD, what the hell is? You are morons!!!! And
you are traitors for speaking against this war!!!! And you supported,
de facto, WW III !!!!
============
Now for the really evil part of Obama. He went to visit his cousin in
Kenya in 2006, and made a really big speech to his cousin's followers,
encouraging them to support his cousin. Before and after this event,
his cousin has waged genocide in Kenya, killing and raping women and
children, and even has burned alive church goers inside of churches,
and he has driven the populations away from their lands and homes. His
cousin is still operating in Kenya and still murdering people. Any
person who supports a genocidal maniac like Obama's cousin, is himself,
evil through and through, and that is Obama. There is no other
explanation that fits this maniac, but that.
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There is clear evidence, per the Fox Hannity report on Sunday past,
that Obama has given significant support to local Palesinian
organizations in the Chicago area, who are not trying to bring a
peaceful solution in Israel, but rather are supporting most of the
ant-Israel terrorist organizations in the Middle East. Obama therefore
lies when he says he will defend Israel. That is lie by the king of
liars. If Obama wins, Israel can kiss its ass goodbye.
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With repect to un-repentent Bill Ayers -- Bill Ayers, in his own living
room, helped Obamas start his political career, and prior to this Obama
worked with Ayers for 4 years solid on "community organizing" efforts.
This was no casual, chance meeting or two, this was a virtual
conspiracy to help Obama rise up the ranks. And for what purpose should
he become president? Help terrorists bomb targets in the US? Help
destroy the USA from within? Start a race war? Start WW III? That is what
it sounds like to me.
Obama eats, drinks, walks and talks, evil. He is a danger to the USA,
and even to world stability. Elect him, and kiss your ass goodbye.
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Now to borrow a line for Rev Wright, and I mean no personal threat,
I will leave that up to God, by soft prayer is "God damn Barrack Obama".
And remember, for 20 years, Obama heard racist, hate filled, "God damn
America" style preaching from Rev Wright.
(By the way, I have been to
black churches, where they love the Lord, and they do not preach like
this and guess what, these people are mostly not on welfare or any
other type of "fare" because the Lord has given them the inspiration to
educate themselves, work hard, and get ahead, and so do not need
government handout, and many whites and other nationalities often
attend these churhes, too.)
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Spread the word, folks. This man, Obama, is evil, through and through, his associations and support for evil people proves it.
- Obama is a "maniac"
- Obama is a threat to the peace and security of the USA
- Obama is a threat to the world's peace and security.
- Obama is out to completely destroy the US economy, by raising taxes on businesses so high, that the majority of businesses will fail. What
good is a personal tax cut, if you are out of work, because the company
you once worked for is taxed out of business?
And then, if he succeeds in doing this to our economy, he will start
screaming that "capitalism is a failure," and start screaming "it needs
to be replaced with socialism/communism", which is the plot probably
hatched in Obama's mind, with the help of his communist buddy, Bill
Ayers.
WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAKE
UP! WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAKE
UP! WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAKE
UP! WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAKE
UP! WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAKE
UP! WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAKE UP!
Disclaimer: The above is my opinion, and may or may not be true.
wdhorning,
October 7, 2008 - 23:33 ET by Indiana JoeI hadn't heard about the yellow-cake. I always believed there was something to the story, never believed Joe Wilson, that POS.
But do you have a source? Even better a link? I'll settle for a good search-term suggestion.
"... smells like.... victory." - Robert Duvall, Apocalypse Now
please use an internet search engine
October 8, 2008 - 00:11 ET by wdhorningplease use an internet search engine
Sorry,
October 8, 2008 - 07:19 ET by Indiana JoeI usually try to c&p a link to data when I quote it. Didn't realize it was old news, out of the loop a bit lately.
Didn't mean to bother you.
"... smells like.... victory." - Robert Duvall, Apocalypse Now
gee, even the liberal MSNBC says its so
October 8, 2008 - 00:13 ET by wdhorninghttp://www.msnbc.msn...
Hey Joe...Speaking
October 8, 2008 - 00:21 ET by bigtimerHey Joe...Speaking of....
I think you were gone when I put this link on here quite awhile ago now about Yellow Cake and Joe Wilson/Plame affair...
You may want to read it later when you have time...it is rich...I had hard/read some of this earlier about this, but this was the best find and write up I have ever seen...of course the msm of all venues were silent...still are.
I hope the link still works.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Thanks, BT
October 8, 2008 - 07:37 ET by Indiana JoeHope it wasn't too much trouble. /:^|
"... smells like.... victory." - Robert Duvall, Apocalypse Now
Woot. Debate
October 7, 2008 - 20:06 ET by SchnikeysWoot. Debate time.
LOL!
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Brokaw has THE beadiest eyes
October 7, 2008 - 20:07 ET by the strugglerBrokaw has THE beadiest eyes
huh?
October 7, 2008 - 20:09 ET by pwoz"strip away regulations"...? O'Rly? Sarbanes Oxley? Warnings in 2002-2008?
Imma enjoy my video games.
Chat is up
October 7, 2008 - 20:07 ET by Matthew SheffieldSee link in thread.
I double-dog dare them to
October 7, 2008 - 20:09 ET by bigtimerI double-dog dare them to bring up illegal immigration in any depth.
...and there have been a lot of arrests here in the last ten days or so of illegal immigrants...a lot.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Up there, BT?
October 7, 2008 - 20:22 ET by Indiana JoeLot of Canucks sneaking in? ;^)
"... smells like.... victory." - Robert Duvall, Apocalypse Now
build the cedar
October 7, 2008 - 20:24 ET by TruthMongerbuild the cedar fence!
Journalism is the opium of the liberals
No not up here...more in
October 7, 2008 - 20:29 ET by bigtimerNo not up here...more in the area nation wise of you..over a 1000 or so around the week-end...300 more today at a chicken factory...
Haven't you heard about this?
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
good night - I can't take anymore
October 7, 2008 - 20:34 ET by xyzzypoofsthis country is about to get raped by the liberals, and the grinning jacka$$es that are going to vote for Obama are going to finally finish the job that the 911 terrorists did not complete
I figured, BT
October 7, 2008 - 21:52 ET by Indiana JoeJust being my usual smart-a$$ self. ;^D
"... smells like.... victory." - Robert Duvall, Apocalypse Now
This is McPork's last chance.
October 7, 2008 - 20:09 ET by R D HelmIf he doesn't knock Obama back on his ass, not merely his heels, he is toast next month.
-Dave
If this nation is to be saved, it will be libertarian principles that save it.
While I was slaving away
October 7, 2008 - 20:11 ET by HillbillyKingover in the Woodshed, you guys get your act together, Geez NB. Thanks alot. :-}
If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you.
Don Marquis 1878-1937
get ready for the bs
October 7, 2008 - 20:19 ET by xyzzypoofsBHO is going to"correct" John McCain now
HBK,
October 7, 2008 - 21:54 ET by Indiana JoeWoodshed? Kickin' some troll butt?
"... smells like.... victory." - Robert Duvall, Apocalypse Now
Obama just said he had to
October 7, 2008 - 20:21 ET by bigtimerObama just said he had to clean/clear up some of McCain's history...now that is rich, does he not know what can of worms he just opened with that line towards him?
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
stop saying
October 7, 2008 - 20:23 ET by xyzzypoofsMcCain needs to stop saying "we need to buy up those bad loans"
Does Brokaw always seem this nervous?
October 7, 2008 - 20:25 ET by xyzzypoofsI haven't watched him since the late 70's, now I remember why.
xyz...I could not agree
October 7, 2008 - 20:25 ET by bigtimerxyz...
I could not agree more...I hear this one more time anywhere I am going to explode...
The 'we' they use so fleetingly is OUR damned money.
What audicity they both have...now I her McCain bringing up good old global warming...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
I agree, I shudder when I
October 7, 2008 - 21:05 ET by lotrI agree, I shudder when I hear it -- where is the money going to come from? However I still blame the Democrat as he is the one who comes out prostituting government Utopia and the Republican, trying to get elected, has to compete against that.
And Darkness and Decay and the Red Death held illimitable dominion over all. -- Edgar Allan Poe
America losses tonight. this
October 7, 2008 - 20:41 ET by ONUVAmerica losses tonight. this is terrible.
onvu... yep... so far
October 7, 2008 - 20:46 ET by bigtimeronvu...
yep...
so far so true...
I expected nothing less though.
Now we are on to good old SS...it is inevitable...they have done this to scare people since I have been a young girl...and that was long ago.
Tiring...same old, same old..
....My friend.
I'm tired of that too.
He undoes whatever Palin could and does gain back....
IMHO
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
bt... I think I have the
October 7, 2008 - 21:46 ET by Clear thinkerbt...
I think I have the perfect plan. When we go to vote, we ask for a write-in ballot and simply write in the name of Sarah Palin for president.
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Right on cue
October 7, 2008 - 21:50 ET by xyzzypoofsFrank Luntz has found a bunch of Obama worshippers to spin his stupid little dials.No, wait, he didn't mention the little dials tonight, he is just going with a show of hands.
xy
October 7, 2008 - 22:08 ET by well99That is for sure.They were as undecided as Biden on who to vote for.
It's 1976 all over again
October 7, 2008 - 20:48 ET by Scout FinchAmerican people are not hurting enough from Democrat tax and spend policies. And Bush has kept them safe from terrorism, so they have no fear about Obama's connections Khalidi and Ayers. They've enjoyed a pretty robust economy, so they figure we can afford to have "free" national health insurance.
In '76, we had a lukewarm Republican running against a fresh new face from Georgia in an election held after eight years of a Republican White House. We all know who won. And we all know how those four years played out.
It wasn't until our economy was in the toilet and our misery index was high enough to vote him out of office after one term. Can our country handle one term of Obama? Guess we'll find out.
Climate Change: Because
October 7, 2008 - 20:49 ET by ApacheClimate Change: Because Global Warming died.
And global warming's father,
October 7, 2008 - 20:50 ET by KStormAnd global warming's father, "Give a hoot, don't pollute", died sometime in the 80s.
KStorm... Did someone
October 7, 2008 - 21:48 ET by Clear thinkerKStorm...
Did someone kill that cute Owl?
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CT,
October 7, 2008 - 22:12 ET by Indiana JoeDied of ennui. In France, I heard.
"... smells like.... victory." - Robert Duvall, Apocalypse Now
Is that some sort of Asian
October 7, 2008 - 22:15 ET by Clear thinkerIs that some sort of Asian Owl Flu?
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Apache... Yeah, McCain
October 7, 2008 - 20:51 ET by bigtimerApache...
Yeah, McCain just said before we hand our children our damaged planet...blah blah blah...clean up our climate, clean up the environmental damage...blah blah blah...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
yeah, caught that
October 7, 2008 - 22:13 ET by Indiana JoeI only hope he's just "talking the talk," and will let it die a well-deserved death.
"... smells like.... victory." - Robert Duvall, Apocalypse Now
global warming and green
October 7, 2008 - 20:53 ET by ONUVglobal warming and green jobs?!?!
what next, gay marriage?
Or Gay jobs and green
October 7, 2008 - 22:05 ET by Clear thinkerOr Gay jobs and green marriage.
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Global jobs and warm
October 7, 2008 - 22:15 ET by Indiana JoeGlobal jobs and warm marriage.
A platform we can all support, maybe?
"... smells like.... victory." - Robert Duvall, Apocalypse Now
Ok, I can live with that. I
October 7, 2008 - 22:17 ET by Clear thinkerOk, I can live with that. I didn't want a gay job anyway!
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»→ Clear
October 7, 2008 - 22:21 ET by Cool ArrowI was offered one, but blew it off
"We cannot win with eggheads and African-Americans." - Paul Begala, Democrat racebaiter
CA,
October 7, 2008 - 22:24 ET by Indiana JoeOwww.... and you had such a streak going!
"... smells like.... victory." - Robert Duvall, Apocalypse Now
»→ While I'm out
October 7, 2008 - 22:26 ET by Cool ArrowWhose shoes were in that closet? sheesh.
"We cannot win with eggheads and African-Americans." - Paul Begala, Democrat racebaiter
Cool...
October 7, 2008 - 22:27 ET by Clear thinkerGood thing you turned it down. Those jobs turn you into a butt kisser. At least that's what I hear.
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»→ No kidding
October 7, 2008 - 22:30 ET by Cool ArrowIt was just a walk on the wild side
"We cannot win with eggheads and African-Americans." - Paul Begala, Democrat racebaiter
Plus, you can't ever bend
October 7, 2008 - 22:33 ET by Clear thinkerPlus, you can't ever bend over in front of anyone.
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did mccain make a bet with
October 7, 2008 - 20:54 ET by ONUVdid mccain make a bet with somebody on the amount of times he can say "my friends"?
Now McCain is proud of
October 7, 2008 - 21:02 ET by bigtimerNow McCain is proud of voting against ANWR (again) because Obama did...oh dear, my friends...what is the matter with this picture...we lost by one vote in 05 because of McCain voting against ANWR drilling who led the way on our side of the aisle along with the other RINOs, we do not have drilling and oil on the way yet because of McCain, he is a hypocrite and a phony...we lost by one vote...
He says it was because of pork...he says we spend 700 billion a year to the terrorists for the price we have to pay for oil, he votes against this because of earmarks...then he turns around and votes for the bail-out with tons of pork, all kinds in all areas of our lives, which just happens to be the same price...700 billion...
Lovely isn't it. ..
My friends...
My hair is on fire...I was hoping, beyond hope this wasn't going to happen....but I knew it would.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Hey, BT, reminds me
October 7, 2008 - 22:17 ET by Indiana JoeDid they actually vote to extend the drilling ban? Wasn't that set to expire if nothing was done?
What am I thinking, it was probably attached to the bail-out bill, if nothing else.
"... smells like.... victory." - Robert Duvall, Apocalypse Now
I say we go in with
October 7, 2008 - 22:33 ET by msh1973I say we go in with pitchforks and torches...who's with me!? :)
Can I bring an M-1
October 7, 2008 - 22:35 ET by Clear thinkerCan I bring an M-1 Carbine?
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I got a M1 garand...can I....
October 8, 2008 - 00:54 ET by BEGRUNTcome along?
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Yes, he had to vote yezz...
October 7, 2008 - 23:04 ET by RedboneProIf he voted against it, it would have prevented the bill going thru, so they'd have to use an 'axe' to cut all the pork off. In doing so, many dems and probably republicans may have not passed it. And seeing how if something, anything even if it had some fat on it didn't pass, could be a very disasterous thing in both the short and long run.
Although, I still think it should've been passed without any fat or 'pork' in it. This bill shouldn't have been about anything else EXCEPT for the issue of rescuing the housing market/mortgage crisis. None of this pork for wooden arrows and what-have-you.
And it should be duly noted that the democrats in Washington are the ones that PREVENTED any types of regulation or oversight. According to them, everything was fine and honkey doory. Could it be because they were part of this mess, perhaps receiving large amounts of tax payer dollars to fund certain campaigns in return for...
Isn't the guy that's in charge of this, that is to say, the guy in charge of government oversight, Barney Frank (democrat) has had an actual relationship, both financial, politcal and sexual, with the guy that was working in fannie may? Or was it with the guy with freddie mac, not sure... maybe both?
Didn't President Bush, (current President) bring this issue up to legislative branch over 10 times in his time in office? Was it not the democrats that ignored and rejected these calls from the President, to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT?
Didn't house republicans try to get some oversight on this? Wasn't McCain one of our elected representatives that actually tried to fix and call attention to this years ago?
C'mon already McCain... start MENTIONING NAMES and MAKING THEM FAMOUS!
That is one of your major promises.
Please do it already!
Oh my gosh, why doesn't his
October 7, 2008 - 21:45 ET by msh1973Oh my gosh, why doesn't his "people" or Cindy tell him to stop saying "my friends"? That is enough to make people not vote for him.
Health care is 50% run by
October 7, 2008 - 20:57 ET by jdhawkHealth care is 50% run by the government. That is why the cost is going up beyond the rate of inflation. We, the ones that pay for private health insurance, are being scammed by the government low balling the cost to industry. The industry passes on that cost to us.
Get the government out of the health care business. Institute Senator McCain's plan.
Health Insurance causes the costs to go up
October 7, 2008 - 21:33 ET by PopularTechWhen people do not pay directly for the price of something and instead pay a co-pay they have no reason to shop around for lower prices.
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Ah, Obama doesn't understand.
October 7, 2008 - 21:09 ET by pbthinkerObama said there were some things he didn't understand and then got into Iraq. If I were McCain, I would have said, Of course you don't understand, you weren't there to read the intelligence reports, you weren't there for the briefings, the only thing you were there for was the Monday Morning Quarterbacking.
Democrats: Stuck on Stupid since 2000.
pb... You're not being
October 7, 2008 - 21:51 ET by Clear thinkerpb...
You're not being fair to Obama. He did show up to vote his convictions with a "Present" vote over 100 times.
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The "Obama Doctrine"
October 7, 2008 - 21:10 ET by SmartypantsThe "Obama Doctrine" question really stunned His Highness; he did not know how to respond.
McCain needs to attack hard
October 7, 2008 - 21:20 ET by MaximusBraveheartHe is going after Obama fairly well. Needs to keep it up. Good point on his history. Keep that up. Say Obama cannot be trusted which is the truth...
M-B
McCain has missed
October 7, 2008 - 21:20 ET by MightyMouth...so many chances to crush Obama it's not funny!
Get ready for another single term president folks!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Hi MM... You are so
October 7, 2008 - 21:27 ET by bigtimerHi MM...
You are so right...I have tried, I really have...I know I am in the minority, I have had my fill of McCain...just am too weary of this BS all the time...I was hoping some way he could do something smart my friend...
I knew he wouldn't..because he isn't.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Hey BT...
October 7, 2008 - 21:38 ET by MightyMouth...best thing to do is: go vote, get drunk on election night, go to work next day. Then watch the Democrats implode for the next 4 years and maybe we can get a true conservative Congress and Leader in 2012. Consider it a 4 year 3 ring Circus! Complete with clown cars and Lincoln bedroom guests. Haha party hats for everyone!! :-(
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
I'm sorry, but...
October 7, 2008 - 22:31 ET by dcullingI'm sorry, but if Obama wins I'm sure he and the most radical left Congress in history will do everything they can to make it impossible for conservatives to ever have a chance again.
The bailout package will already give them unprecedented power.
Obama with his Constitutional Law degree will certainly find some way to stack the Supreme court.
Do you really trust your Constitutional rights to today's completely unrestrained Marxists Liberals?
I think...
October 7, 2008 - 22:43 ET by MightyMouth...everything you said, PLUS the 3 ring circus. An Obama administration is going to make BJClinton's look like Jimmah Carter's with worse economic policies.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM... Don't forget
October 7, 2008 - 22:46 ET by Clear thinkerMM...
Don't forget Obama's paramilitary youth gangs!
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BT,MM, and Dcull
October 7, 2008 - 22:58 ET by well99It isnt about the conservatives it is about American values.It is about rule of law.It is about the goverment working for the people not dictateing to them.Someone said who do you want to spend your money the goverment or you.That have done a grand job with taxes havent they.Yet they want more to waste.With Sara as VP I think we have a chance.I may not agree with her on everything but her actions speak louder than any of the others words.She did a great job as governor and if McCain gets elected I think she will be a great VP.It is about time we got someone in DC with common sense.
well99...
October 7, 2008 - 23:06 ET by Clear thinkerYour comments remind me of a bumper sticker my granddaughter just gave me the other day. It reads " Taxation with Representation ain't so hot either".
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lol
October 8, 2008 - 01:25 ET by well99CT that is the truth of it.All we have is people in congress who only care about what is best for themselves.It is sad that they forgot the reason they were elected.
Obama Lies about Oil Leases and our Oil Supply
October 7, 2008 - 21:25 ET by PopularTechLeasing:
Environmental Activists, Not Oil Companies, Blocking Domestic Drilling (Heritage Foundation)
Oil Leases on '68 Million Acres' No Guarantee of Oil, Experts Say (CNSNews)
The facts about non-producing federal leases (PDF) (API)
The 'Idle' Oil Field Fallacy (The Wall Street Journal)
- Federal law stipulates that an oil company must sink a producing well within 10 years or lose the lease (WSJ)
"Unfortunately, not all the leases contain oil and natural gas, and even those that do, may not contain enough to make them commercially viable. In many cases, the so-called “idle” leases are not idle at all; they are under geologic evaluation or in some stage of pre-production development and could be an important source of domestic supply in the not so distant future. Collectively, companies spend billions of dollars to obtain
leases, pay rental fees each year to continue to hold them, and then pay to conduct surveys and other exploratory activity before production even starts. If a company does not produce from a well within a specified period set out during the lease term (usually five or 10 years depending on the area), it relinquishes the lease back to the government and loses all the money it invested." - American Petroleum Institute
- Only 16% of U.S. oil imports come from the Middle East (EIA)
- The largest supplier of oil to the U.S. is Canada (EIA)
- The second largest supplier of oil to the U.S. is Mexico (EIA)
- The U.S. uses 25% of the world's oil supply because it produces over 25% of the world's economy (World Bank)
Myth: The World is Running Out of Oil (Video) (5min) (John Stossel, 20/20)
Despite Popular Belief, The World is Not Running Out of Oil, Scientist Says (Science Daily)
Myth: The World is Running Out of Oil (John Stossel, ABC News)
The World Has Plenty of Oil (The Wall Street Journal)
Reserves:
- 1.8 to 6 Trillion barrels of oil are estimated in the U.S. Oil-Shale Reserves (DOE)
- 986 Billion barrels of oil are estimated using Coal-to-liquids (CTL) conversion of U.S. Coal Reserves (DOE)
- 173 to 315 Billion (1.7-2.5 Trillion potential) barrels of oil are estimated in the Oil Sands of Alberta, Canada (Alberta Department of Energy)
- 100 Billion barrels of heavy oil are estimated in the U.S. (DOE)
- 90 Billion barrels of oil are estimated in the Arctic (USGS)
- 89 Billion barrels of immobile oil are estimated recoverable using CO2 injection in the U.S. (DOE)
- 86 Billion barrels of oil are estimated in the U.S. Outer Continental Shelf (MMS)
- 60 to 80 Billion barrels of oil are estimated in U.S. Tar Sands (DOE)
- 32 Billion barrels of oil are estimated in ANWR, NPRA and the Central North Slope in Alaska (USGS)
- 4.3 Billion barrels of oil are estimated in the U.S. Bakken shale formation in North Dakota and Montana (USGS)
- 3.65 Billion barrels of oil are estimated in the U.S. Devonian-Mississippian Bakken Formation (USGS)
- 1.6 Billion barrels of oil are estimated in the U.S. Eastern Great Basin Province (USGS)
- 1.3 Billion barrels of oil are estimated in the U.S. Permian Basin Province (USGS)
- 1.1 Billion barrels of oil are estimated in the U.S. Powder River Basin Province (USGS)
- 990 Million barrels of oil are estimated in the U.S. Portion of the Michigan Basin (USGS)
- 393 Million barrels of oil are estimated in the U.S. San Joaquin Basin Province of California (USGS)
- 214 Million barrels of oil are estimated in the U.S. Illinois Basin (USGS)
- 172 Million barrels of oil are estimated in the U.S. Yukon Flats of East-Central Alaska (USGS)
- 131 Million barrels of oil are estimated in the U.S. Southwestern Wyoming Province (USGS)
- 109 Million barrels of oil are estimated in the U.S. Montana Thrust Belt Province (USGS)
- 104 Million barrels of oil are estimated in the U.S. Denver Basin Province (USGS)
- 98.5 Million barrels of oil are estimated in the U.S. Bend Arch-Fort Worth Basin Province (USGS)
- 94 Million barrels of oil are estimated in the U.S. Hanna, Laramie, Shirley Basins Province (USGS)
For Comparison:
- 260 Billion barrels of oil are estimated in Saudi Arabia (EIA)
- 80 Billion barrels of oil are estimated in Venezuela (EIA)
Thanks
October 7, 2008 - 21:43 ET by SchnikeysThank you PopTech, for doing a job that McCain is not willing to do.
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Schn.. You got that
October 7, 2008 - 22:09 ET by bigtimerSchn..
You got that right!
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
I think it's Over
October 7, 2008 - 21:24 ET by tonyflo04It kills me to say this, but Barry will win and we will regret 4 Nov 08 for decades to come.
"A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have" -- Gerald Ford
"The course of history shows that as a government grows,
liberty decreases..."
McPork has been aged, marinated, seasoned, roasted...
October 7, 2008 - 21:25 ET by R D Helm...and, most of all, forked.
God help the United States of America!
-Dave
If this nation is to be saved, it will be libertarian principles that save it.
This is going to be a very painful four years
October 7, 2008 - 21:30 ET by MumakataThe retreat in Iraq, the unchecked liberal congress, and the far left wing media and 527 groups will conspire to tear our republic apart and replace it with a socialist system aligned against Isreal instead of with them.
Perhaps we will get another good conservative leader out of this mess.
woke back up - guess this still sucks
October 7, 2008 - 21:36 ET by xyzzypoofsI agree with Mumakata, it "is going to be a painful four years".
We are about to be held hostage by this lying bastard. How did this happen?
The left has been working a
October 7, 2008 - 22:09 ET by Clear thinkerThe left has been working a game plan for years... 45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goal
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Dave...My friend...you are
October 7, 2008 - 21:33 ET by bigtimerDave...My friend...you are el correcto...
As I am sure you know I agree by my posts above...(I assume you saw them, especially about oil/global warming)
I dread the delight of the talking heads tonight... most of all, I dread there is one more debate...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
bt, I failed to mention that McPork was smoked, too.
October 7, 2008 - 21:44 ET by R D Helm...as are we.
:-O
-Dave
If this nation is to be saved, it will be libertarian principles that save it.
»→ McPork
October 7, 2008 - 21:48 ET by Cool ArrowHoney Glazed, too.
"We cannot win with eggheads and African-Americans." - Paul Begala, Democrat racebaiter
The Game is over
October 7, 2008 - 21:47 ET by tonyflo04Unfortunately, the game is over and Hussein may get 320 EV's or more. Canada is looking increasingly nicer now. The USSA is coming closer, the United Socialist States of America...brought to you by the European Union.
"A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have" -- Gerald Ford
"The course of history shows that as a government grows,
liberty decreases..."
Run, Sarah, Run!
October 7, 2008 - 21:30 ET by R D HelmAway from McCain.
-Dave
If this nation is to be saved, it will be libertarian principles that save it.
Palin in four! Suffer for
October 7, 2008 - 21:32 ET by ApachePalin in four!
Suffer for now.
Good Grief!
October 7, 2008 - 21:36 ET by RackieWere all going to be wandering in the desert for the next 40 years.
See ya'll in the Caymans.
October 7, 2008 - 21:34 ET by R D HelmShould I be able to get there, that is.
Oh, shit.
-Dave
If this nation is to be saved, it will be libertarian principles that save it.
McCain missed his chance on
October 7, 2008 - 21:40 ET by the strugglerMcCain missed his chance on the "what he doesn't know" question.
McCain:What I don't know is what's gonna happen to the country if this fool Obama gets elected.
That was way to easy for Obama
Did the debate start
October 7, 2008 - 21:40 ET by bigtimerDid the debate start yet?
...my friends...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
SNL
October 7, 2008 - 21:42 ET by xyzzypoofsWas that a Saturday Night Live skit?
Yeah...
October 7, 2008 - 21:46 ET by SeashellYeah. And we're screwed.
bigtimer, I have really
October 7, 2008 - 21:49 ET by msh1973bigtimer,
I have really tried to get behind McCain (Palin helped), but I am now reminded why I don't like McCain....boring!
Hi msh... I am waiting
October 7, 2008 - 21:59 ET by bigtimerHi msh...
I am waiting for my hair on fire to be done burning to a crisp...
I am so pissed.
Sorry if that offends anyone...I am just so sick of McCain and his typical RINO BS...but he is one, always has been.
we are in so much trouble...either way.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
This is going to be worse
October 7, 2008 - 21:41 ET by msh1973This is going to be worse than the Carter years...Obama will get to choose at least two Justices. That Court will be with us for at least 20 years or longer. We are in big trouble people. Our freedoms will be hanging in the balance.
Two terms of his most holy:
October 7, 2008 - 21:42 ET by Kingfish17The press will not hurt Obama as they did Carter. Carter was a bafoon and couldn't hide it, and the press did not treat Carter's bafoonery kindly.
Obama will do no wrong, however, and anytime he does slip he will be forgiven, much like Clinton.
My great fear is that during his eight years we go way over the 50% threshold of people who depend on government for most aspects of their existence. There's no going back from that until you overthrow the government.
I also hope that our economy will actually do pretty good for a while. If Obama gets in office the press will tout the "Happy Days are Here Again" manatra and people will ease out of the panic mode, (that has been totally exaserbated by the press to coincide with this election cycle).
It's a slim hope, but one can dream.
There is no way in hell
October 8, 2008 - 00:01 ET by MrSnugglesThere is no way in hell obama gets two terms, he is a one and done president if he even wins. He will destroy the economy and will lose in Afghanistan.
Earlier
October 7, 2008 - 21:42 ET by FOXFANI swear I thought I heard Obama call 'the internet' the computer, invented by the military.
Wrist slap
October 7, 2008 - 22:00 ET by Kingfish17The government invents everything. What do you think grants are for? There is no incentive for anyone in the private sector to invent.
»→ First electronic computer
October 7, 2008 - 22:02 ET by Cool ArrowWas used to calculate projectile trajectories.
Vacuum tubes. Very hot.
"We cannot win with eggheads and African-Americans." - Paul Begala, Democrat racebaiter
CA
October 7, 2008 - 23:02 ET by well99Wasnt that during WW2?
"The "Inigma code" was broken using a primitive computer that was designed during WW2. The codebreaking comuters were very limited in their capacity and the computer that you're using to view this message is far more powerful."
Ack! Do we have to listen
October 7, 2008 - 21:42 ET by tomnkikiAck! Do we have to listen to Osama continue to stutter and yammer, unless he is doing a talking point or reformulating what McCain just said?
D-U-M-B-! That last
October 7, 2008 - 21:43 ET by Clear thinkerD-U-M-B-!
That last questions was the dumbest question I think I have ever heard from a moderator. Granted, it was a question from some nut off the internet, but still... can Tom be that dumb?
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Of course CT. Tom knew
October 7, 2008 - 21:55 ET by SeashellOf course CT. Tom knew at that point he had it in the bag. Nothing brought up about ayers. Nothing brought up about Rashidi, or wright.
McCain should have incorporated these guys into the debate somehow, but he didn't. It would have been hard for him to do it I thinkwith this format. He must go for it through ads now. The only way.
Seashell... They had
October 7, 2008 - 22:02 ET by Clear thinkerSeashell...
They had better be ads from hell in order to overcome tonight.
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McCain was horrible, awful,
October 7, 2008 - 21:44 ET by HermanoMcCain was horrible, awful, terrible, atrocious, pitiful, pathetic, dreadful and horrendous. 0bama just needed to stand there and look almost presidential.
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Hermano...exactly...and
October 7, 2008 - 21:50 ET by bigtimerHermano...exactly...and that is just what he did too for the most part... I am so sickened...all the work Palin has done, McCain just erased...and one more to go too with a debate...
Fox is blaming Brokaw...oh come on, give me a break...we all know and knew ahead of time that Brokaw is a lefty...McCain was ...well...McCain...for all to see.
What part of him do people not understand yet?
We are screwed.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
I just hope this Union is
October 7, 2008 - 21:53 ET by HermanoI just hope this Union is salvagable. Tonight, it does not look that way.
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America lost tonight
October 7, 2008 - 21:44 ET by TBARJindal/Palin 2012
Life is too short to be serious
I listened on thr Radio - less distractions
October 7, 2008 - 21:44 ET by JayTeeYes, we know McCain isn't a Conservative . . and Rush was right he wouldn't name names . . other than his reaching across the isle experience.
But McCain gave more detailed answers than BHO . . . and BHO did not have anything NEW to Say, he was rather redundantly vague as Usual.
McCain ate his lunch at the end on Iraq/Afghan.
Brokaw gave BHO MORE TIME and McCAIN HAD TO ASK FOR equality.
I give a very slight Edge to McCain but he ain't very Republican. . .but closer than BHO.
Not an exciting Debate for sure.
The Republican Revolution will not be Televised
McCain did not impress.
October 7, 2008 - 21:52 ET by tonyflo04Hussein did not have to be substantive, McCain had to be more detailed, but he did not turn minds. I think thatHussien will kick the turd out of McCain, and that makes me ill. Why did Romney lose?
"A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have" -- Gerald Ford
"The course of history shows that as a government grows,
liberty decreases..."
Neither candidate did
October 7, 2008 - 22:00 ET by balboaNeither candidate did anything for me tonight. Lots of the same talking points I've already heard.
"I already saw this movie!"
I agree Amigo,
October 7, 2008 - 22:08 ET by MightyMouthLooks like Obama doesn't need Hillary, and the teleprompter angle is dead. Barry did a fair job at saying nothing without a tele promp and McCain doesn't get it! I was destroying Barry from my easy chair better than our fearless (not) leader.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
JayTee... I did find it
October 7, 2008 - 21:54 ET by Clear thinkerJayTee...
I did find it funny the way Obama kept saying "Pawkystan".
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Performance
October 7, 2008 - 21:46 ET by SchnikeysAn absolutely disgusting performance by the GOP nominee.
Repeating talking points while not displaying any knowledge about the topics.
Not speaking up in areas where he should have spoken up.
Overall, not into this race at all. He retired before it began. He's AWOL.
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Sad performance by McCain.
October 7, 2008 - 21:49 ET by Free StinkerSad performance by McCain.
Eannndahhh McCain Trounces Obama Again
October 7, 2008 - 21:50 ET by Lame CherryThe words of Senator Obama say it all in his "eannndahhhh" a word for "and" which he says non stop as his mind in vapor lock.
eannndahh draft all American youngsters into the peace corps or military
eannnndahhhh making everyone suffer
eannnndahhh raise taxes on everyone
eannndahhh I will fine people for not insuring your children
eannndahhh I will use my dead mother again for votes
eanndahhhh Iraq is a huge success as it has a 79 billion dollar surplus
eanndahhhh let's bomb nuclear Pakistan
eanndahhhh I will talk directly to homicidal maniacs in Iran
eanndahhhh I'm going to make America suffer change
eannnndahhh I gree with Senator McCain on Russia
eannndahhhh I agree with Senator McCain
eannndahhh Senator McCain is right
eannndahhh Senator McCain trounced Barack Obama again in a second debate.
agtG
*HIC IACET ARTORIVS REX QVONDAM REXQVE FVTVRVS
LC... what world are you
October 7, 2008 - 21:52 ET by bigtimerLC...
what world are you living in...McCain came nowhere near trouncing anything...at all...
Well, with the exception of any gains Palin has made for him.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
BT listening on the Radio I agree with LC - SLIGHT edge to Mc
October 7, 2008 - 22:08 ET by JayTeeI heard The Mc Cain "breathless" comment . . . But I do think McCain is taking the Financial Downturn more personal than BHO . . .AFTER ALL mcCain TRIED TO DO SOMETHING in 2005.
WE are STUCK . . . elect a NEW Congress . .
The Republican Revolution will not be Televised
He accomplished sometting
October 7, 2008 - 22:17 ET by bigtimerHe accomplished sometting great in '05 JT..he stopped us from being able to drill in ANWR...why do people ignore this..a;ong with his stance on amnesty...along with his vote on the bail-out bill filled with pork...the very reason he says he voted against ANWR.
He can go to where the sun doesn't shine as far as I am concerned.
McCain has no edge in this debate, my gawd, he did the last one, not this, he had plenty of opportunities to do anything, something to get his points across if he wanted to make them...
He didn't.
JMHO
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Lame Cherry, exactly what debate were you watching?
October 7, 2008 - 21:57 ET by R D HelmMcPork is beyond well-done.
Burnt beyond all recognition, actually.
-Dave
If this nation is to be saved, umm, oh, nevermind! We're glued, screwed and tattooed!
RD
October 7, 2008 - 22:03 ET by SchnikeysAnd he did it to himself.
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Anybody know the phone number to the suicide hotline?
October 7, 2008 - 21:51 ET by R D Helm-Dave
If this nation is to be saved, umm, oh, nevermind! We're glued, screwed and tattooed!
»→ Dave
October 7, 2008 - 21:52 ET by Cool ArrowLines are jammed
"We cannot win with eggheads and African-Americans." - Paul Begala, Democrat racebaiter
Dave and
October 7, 2008 - 21:54 ET by bigtimerDave and Cool...
...LMAO!
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Canada Maybe?
October 7, 2008 - 21:54 ET by tonyflo041-800-go-canada
"A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have" -- Gerald Ford
"The course of history shows that as a government grows,
liberty decreases..."
Computer 'invented' by government??? + "Climate Change'???!!!
October 7, 2008 - 21:54 ET by george7gYep, he claimed that computer was invented by the government! Be glad he did not claim he did it (Al Gorleone would).
Did you all noticed that now when it is proven that last few years being colder than average, these idiots changed the name to "CLIMATE CHANGE" last few weeks, so they could be right either way?
I agree, it is 1976 again!
For the record...
October 8, 2008 - 08:19 ET by lotr"Climate change" is a moniker coined by the Bush Adminstration during their first term that was imposed onto the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). The terminology "global warming" was "discouraged" in NOAA reports and/or publications. I know -- I was there. That said, I'm not in disagreement with Bush on this -- "climate change" is a fundamental geophysical reality that humanity faces and has always faced, whether it be AGW or the impending Ice Age.
And Darkness and Decay and the Red Death held illimitable dominion over all. -- Edgar Allan Poe
I can't understand why
October 7, 2008 - 21:54 ET by SmartypantsI can't understand why McCain does not emphasize the primary advantage he enjoys over Barack Obama--experience. He should be slamming it over the viewer's head that, in times of crisis, you do not hand the wheel to a novice, especially one who wants to abandon the principles that made America a great country to begin with. He should be telling us that we need to return to the fundamentals that created our prosperity, not turning to socialistic principle that have failed time after time. Instead, McCain is trying to beat Obama at his own game, suggesting we need to re-write everybody's mortgage.
Mitt Romney should have been the Republican nominee, period.
The lucky will have bought homes they couldn't afford:
October 7, 2008 - 21:54 ET by Kingfish17Did you buy a $500,000 with no money down that you obviously couldn't afford and had no idea why someone would let you move into that house? Well, it looks like you are in luck because the government is going to reduce your mortgage to something you can afford. What if you can't afford anything?
Lucky you.
Kingfish... Free homes?
October 7, 2008 - 21:57 ET by Clear thinkerKingfish...
Free homes? Sign me up!
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»→ McCain sounded sick
October 7, 2008 - 21:55 ET by Cool ArrowThe breathy delivery throughout suggests hyperventilation or cardio problems.
Don't know which, but it did not sound encouraging
"We cannot win with eggheads and African-Americans." - Paul Begala, Democrat racebaiter
CA, Yes but...
October 7, 2008 - 22:00 ET by MightyMouth...if you like Palin... kind of encouraging?. (did MM really say that!?)
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
»→ MM
October 7, 2008 - 22:04 ET by Cool ArrowLow hanging fruit. Thanks for picking up on my straight line.
"We cannot win with eggheads and African-Americans." - Paul Begala, Democrat racebaiter
Why did McCain immediately exit the venue
October 8, 2008 - 06:26 ET by Picnicafter the "debate"? At first I thought the director was intentionally putting the camera on Obama and his wife as they smoozed with the audience. Then I realized McCain had just....left. What was he thinking?? So Obama had at least 10 mins of uninterrupted face time smoozing with the audience, smiling, signing autographs, patting backs, taking pictures with the audience, glad-handing and smoozing. I just couldn't believe it and could only think that McCain was sick?? I still don't get it. Not only did he not pound Obama where he could have, but then to allow him to basically take 10 or more minutes of uninterrupted victory laps was very bizarre.
STER IS PISSED OFF!!!!
October 7, 2008 - 21:56 ET by TheSterWTF?!?!?
Now what do we do???
Get Palin out there NOW!!!
Ster.
»→ Ster
October 7, 2008 - 21:59 ET by Cool ArrowTime for an October miracle
"We cannot win with eggheads and African-Americans." - Paul Begala, Democrat racebaiter
I say we...
October 7, 2008 - 22:02 ET by MightyMouth...punt and write in Romney-Palin!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM...well after the
October 7, 2008 - 22:06 ET by bigtimerMM...well after the bail-out vote I had had it anyway..but tonight cinched it...
I am going to write in, or vote for who is on my ticket here other than either McC or O.
I should be able to do just that by the end of the week too.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Calm down sister!
October 7, 2008 - 22:11 ET by MightyMouthYou gotta vote the ticket! Like I said: vote, get drunk and go to work the next day! The "fun" will just be starting!!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
MM, it is OK. bigtimer has
October 7, 2008 - 22:14 ET by HermanoMM, it is OK. bigtimer has an advantage in that Big Sky country doesn't have too many EVs. You are soooooooo lucky, BT. I have to worry about 21 in PA.
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Hermano
October 7, 2008 - 22:17 ET by MightyMouthROFLMAO!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
bt... So you liked my
October 7, 2008 - 22:12 ET by Clear thinkerbt...
So you liked my plan?
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dbl post
October 7, 2008 - 21:59 ET by JayTeedbl
OK - I read thru the NBer comments Geez Guys/Gals....
October 7, 2008 - 21:58 ET by JayTeeWe all are dissappointed in McCain . . .and we are thinking about a Dual Assasination as a Solution . . right ?
But Vote McCain and maybe the Stress will do him in and Sarah gets an Early Start. . OK ?
It was Bad only because we still don't like Either Candidat.
nobama !!
The Republican Revolution will not be Televised
JT... It was bad because
October 7, 2008 - 22:03 ET by bigtimerJT...
It was bad because McC was bad.
Point 2...Sarah already has an early start..she's got that bagged my friend ...no matter what happens.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Yes JayTee, we must vote
October 7, 2008 - 22:13 ET by Scuba DudeYes JayTee, we must vote Sen. McCain into office so Gov. Palin can start getting even more experience for when she runs for President in 2012.
Then when she is debating Bambi or Slithery she will just walk all over them.
Doesn't look too good
October 7, 2008 - 22:05 ET by JPR1Damn, we thought Fred Thompson was too bland? He would have smoked Barry here.
S*^!, this is gonna be ugly.
After the debate I googled
October 7, 2008 - 22:07 ET by msh1973After the debate I googled the 2004 election Polls...in late October 2004, all of the polls had Kerry up by at least 2-4 points. We do remember how that turned out. I am just sayin...
No ifs, ands or buts about
October 7, 2008 - 22:08 ET by Scuba DudeNo ifs, ands or buts about it. Sen McCain MUST bring up Obama's connections to Ayers, Wright and Rezko. He needs to bring up FNMA and FHLMC and tell America that because of the policy's of the Democrats to force banks to give loans to extremly risky people brought about this current economic crisis. He has to say to them Bush and the Republicans WANTED to have more regulation and that Obama's friends blocked that from happening, he should then say,"And seeing your record on consistantly voting with your party would have meant you too would have voted to let FN and FH to run the course that it has"
I am praying that Sen. McCain brings a big stick to smack Obama around in the final debate so it is fresh in the minds of America at what a RISKY choice it would be to vote for Obama.
Voting for Obama will set the USA on the path to Socialism/Communism.
Nuff said.
McCain should have been the nominee in 2000
October 7, 2008 - 22:16 ET by krendlerAnd Giuliani should have been the nominee this year. He would have mopped the floor w/ Obama, along with all the Obama surrogates at CNN and MS/NBC. Rudy's too moderate I guess. Live and learn.
Maybe not.
Rudy had his shot, but he
October 7, 2008 - 22:23 ET by ckc1227Rudy had his shot, but he chose to take half the campaign off.
Obama's Economic plan: more taxes, more spending, more regulation. Prosperity here we come.
i actually voted for mccain in 2000 ...
October 7, 2008 - 22:29 ET by pmohbuckit was a funny scene asking the old lady at the voting site how to write in a candidate ... she had no clue. i often wonder how many votes mccain got in 2000 ... and please don't say "more than he'll get in 2008"
i like mccain a lot, but i feel he's too soft on some things ... regardless, he's the only person i trust with our military
i'm sick of the self-righteous "moderators" ....
October 7, 2008 - 22:17 ET by pmohbuckthese people are full of themselves ... brokaw was as horrible as expected ... his performace totally made me miss russert. i knew there would be trouble when he announced that he, alone, chose the questions.
my question is whether or not he intentionally chose questions to neutralize mccain's supposed advantage of a town-hall style debate.
the questions were pretty lame ... hard to believe they were "the best"
So you noticed that too? I
October 7, 2008 - 22:20 ET by Clear thinkerSo you noticed that too? I think the formula for Tom was simple... pick the easiest questions for Obama to respond to. That way, if there is a tie in the debate, it's a win for Obama.
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What do you people want?
October 7, 2008 - 22:24 ET by Lame CherryUnited States Soldiers are offered the leeway to bitch, piss and moan about just about anything, but they have a code in putting their lives on the line to shutting up, shouldering the pack and line fire walking no matter the battle.
I thank God the bloggers on Newsbusters saying this election is lost just because Karl Rove is tallying patrician numbers for people not intelligent enough to know he is telling Americans get off their butts or their is going to be an Obama, were not at Valley Forge or any other hell hole Americans have bled for as we would be subjects now, speaking French, Spanish, German or Russian.
Apparently my words held too much sway here in now becoming a mantra of "I don't support McCain" for people taking cheap shots at him.
John McCain is the horse in this race and that is the fact and I will ride this war hero no matter what because the alternative is Obama.
There is a vast difference between a socialist like McCain and a Marxist like Obama. Just ask the French how socialist DeGalle was and then ask Ukrainians millions dead was under Marxist Stalin.
The white flag wavers are typical of the people complaining on here about how Congress sold American voters out. Where were any of you in this fight kicking the hell out of Congress when Lott was prissing around not doing a thing. Now when the fight has just begun you have groused that the election is lost.
I have news for you children who have no idea what the fight is that Ronald Reagan was loosing to Jimmy Carter at this point in the election and was being hammered worse than McCain.
Reagan didn't have Sarah Palin and all he had was his "Governor of California record" which was lame.
Apparently too many people have no idea what a fight it took to get America to this point in the Reagan Revolution. How it took the Christians getting out the vote. How it took house by house visits by local Republicans. This just didn't happen to which too many people walked into it and thought Reagan just happened.
Ronald Reagan took 20 years, 2 defeats by his own party before he gained the opportunity to get this far in the fight John McCain is in now for the life of America.
I'm not going to abandon my country. I won't abandon the GOP, but will instead fight for it in more effort than I will ever admit too as it is nobody's business the sacrifices I made for America or this nation.
But if you don't understand all it took. The remarks of Reagan being degraded. The 2 LONGGGGGGGGG YEARS the US economy floundered under Reagan and we almost had a revolution in the United States of a literal uprising against our government, you don't have a clue about what a political fight is and how to win one.
I will warn people once again. You have no idea what is coming in the next years, because the world is going to change in the worst of ways. George W. Bush kept the nuclear fires at bay as our best hope and now John McCain is our last hope as the world becomes engulfed to save this nation from an invasion.
I don't write things to grab headlines nor to come up with silly phrases to grab attention. I speak in literal facts, historical and projection. I'm the one who was talking about Eurasian world war years ago and all of a sudden Russia flexes and all the pundits start chattering about what they read I posted as their own.
I've done allot of warning here as a witness and the words given me ended up in columns and radio shows as teaching is what this was the main concern.
Nobody here is being shot at as they type unlike the Soldiers America has sent out. Most of them don't do any of the bitching that goes on here. I will take on John McCain after his election in promoting a better agenda for him to outgrow his socialistic reactions. That is the difference in this as John McCain is the answer and Barack Obama is the problem.
So be a part of the solution and get out and get 10 of your couch slouchers to the polls to vote for McCain Palin as you do not want to be facing the economic, nuclear dust clouds from the Middle East settling over America, ports shut down, New York radioactive and central Europe running the show as then you're not going to be able to hide behind your computers as it will be the real slug match of every nation using all they have to win a scorched earth war as the world is not going to be fighting to win the damnable thing but is going to be the one who survives it and will lead for the next 1000 years.
Stop expecting for things to be handed to you. John McCain has earned his slack being butchered in a POW camp. So unless you pulled people out of the Twin Towers, hauled people out of the Pentagon, have a CIB or Purple Heart, give the defeat talk a rest and get up and win this thing.
God bless
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Amen, LC
October 7, 2008 - 22:31 ET by AFCloneEnough said.
Lame Cherry, I am 100%
October 7, 2008 - 22:31 ET by Scuba DudeLame Cherry,
I am 100% with you.
I am not letting these poll numbers get me down. I do believe there will be an October suprise that McCain/Palin will spring on us.
We cannot, I repeat we CANNOT allow to have the Socialist/Marxist candidate of Obama be elected to head this great country of ours.
If he is we can start to kiss our freedoms goodbye.
LC well stated - NBers we are all voting for Sarah anyhow
October 7, 2008 - 22:34 ET by JayTeeMcCain won the last half of the Debate as even BHO was uglier than Mc
Meanwhile Hotair has a less Emotional Analysis and "NO" the debate wasn't a Game changer . .neck and neck still
The Republican Revolution will not be Televised
Bravo!
October 7, 2008 - 22:46 ET by dvdaughtryConservatives lost their position by erosion, not explosion, yet we want it back in one fell swoop.
McCain is the bridge to Palin (whom most of us are truely voting for), and Palin will be the bridge to the next Conservative, whomever that maybe.
To roll over and give up is distgusting!
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
dvd... That next
October 7, 2008 - 22:49 ET by Clear thinkerdvd...
That next Conservative is probably Sarah!
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Lame Cheney Rants to Himself Again
October 7, 2008 - 22:46 ET by PopularTech#1 John McCain is no Ronald Reagan.
Reagan was governor of the largest state in the country for 8 years and had a degree in Economics. Palin is no Ronald Reagan!
I'll abandon the GOP because they abandoned me! Port Security, Illegal Immigration, Amnesty, "Cap and Trade" and now the Bailout. I'm no fanboy like you.
Now you are irresponsibly stating we are going to be invaded? Please go take your medication.
PT... I could not agree
October 7, 2008 - 22:49 ET by bigtimerPT...
I could not agree more.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Nicely stated.
October 7, 2008 - 23:32 ET by SchnikeysNicely stated, at least.
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I've decided...
October 7, 2008 - 22:56 ET by dcullingI've decided I'm going to wrap things up in the next week then go volunteer full time for McCain - Palin.
Thanks LC
Good for you, LC
October 7, 2008 - 23:13 ET by Indiana JoeI watched a bit of the debate. Okay, it wasn't Lincoln/Douglas. This format has been blandified and homogenized until it's almost an insult to the word "debate." But I gotta agree with LC.
What is up here? Earlier today and yesterday, everyone was thrilled! McCain had finally taken off the gloves, and beat Obama up about being more of a political insider than he's still willing to admit. Called him on his lies, called him a liar. Palin had gone after Ayers and Wright etc. The MSM was in full-shielding mode. We were writing posts and checking links, high-fiving and charged up. We had them on the run, up against the wall. We were takin' it to 'em. And now... ?
What did you expect, Daniel Freakin' Webster? Didn't we get over the fact that we got McCain, like it or not? We've only known it for, what, 2-3 months? Now, suddenly, everyone's talking "burnt pork" and suicide hot-lines? So what's changed?
What, everyone here thinks Oblabla wiped the floor with McCain? He just embarrassed him to tears? I'll tell you what I saw, and thought. I saw two politicians, and one of them said "I'm going to..." and the other said "We need to..." One talked about passing laws to force insurance on everyone, and fining employers, one talked about giving back tax credits to you to help pay for it. Not perfect, okay, but a better deal than Obama's, and nowhere near written in stone anyway. You disagree, vote for the O-man.
I heard McCain call Obama on his "untruths." He called him on it. I did too, I was talking to the TV, calling him on it. I wasn't sitting there with my head in my hands! What did you want, a boxing-match? I saw Obama ask for extra time to defend himself and I saw Brokaw tell him NO. Who expected that? Not me, I was shocked, but he did it. Ever hear of counting your blessings? Take what you can get, especially when you expected nothing?
Bottom line, I saw nothing here, nothing, to justify the nearly universal doom-and-gloom going on when I came to this thread after the debate. All I've heard all day here was "Hey, this ain't over," and "look at the MSM spinning, boy, they're worried," and "we've got to keep pushing," and "hey, we can do this, get the word out" and on and on and on. We were fired up! Even the trolls were almost absent, I looked coz I had a taste for some. They were smart enough to know they were in trouble, otherwise they'd have been here gloating. So, what do they know that you guys don't?
WTF changed that? Some staged show, that we knew was going to be stacked against us? So what, time to just pick up our ball and go home? Well, not me. I'm heading for bed soon, but I'll be back tomorrow. These debates are a joke anyway. There's still a month to go until the only poll that means anything. Heard some surrender talk today because of the freakin' polls. Not much, some. But nothing like this freaking whining!
You want to quit, go ahead. I don't get turned around that easily, and I don't quit that easily either. Not when the stakes are this high. I'm voting and working not-Obama, no matter what or who that means, at this point. I'll worry about Obama winning after he wins, and after I've done everything I can to prevent it. That's called fighting for what you believe in, and spreading the truth. That's what I'm going to do.
What are you going to do?
"... smells like.... victory." - Robert Duvall, Apocalypse Now
Unfortunately...
October 7, 2008 - 23:37 ET by dcullingUnfortunately the masses feel more than they think. Mathematics trained students to be a little too logical for Liberals and thus they killed it off in public schools. Now you know why the US has such low scores in Math.
I think Obama clearly won the feeling crowd.
I haven't given up. I've decided to volunteer full time in a week or so.
10-4 IJ
October 7, 2008 - 23:55 ET by kilrodI aint givin up; Remember John Paul Jones, Remember the Alamo and the line is drawn in the sand, I regret that i have but 1 vote to cast for my country.
(GRINS) kilrod
Remember, only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier
I agree with every
October 7, 2008 - 23:49 ET by sick_puppyI agree with every word!!!! For a while I thought I had signed onto a Kos debate chat by mistake.
“Most of them don't do any of the bitching that goes on here”....
Surrender is not an option nor is losing. When part of your perimeter is being overrun in the middle of the night, you can’t surrender, you can’t runaway. You can't bitch. You can't moan.
You can’t act like a petulant child.
You must fight. You must attack. You can’t leave your buddies to the mercy of the enemy. Your enemy has no mercy. I know this, I have a Combat Action Ribbon (US Marine Corps equivalent to the Army’s CIB).
As Lame Cherry has pointed out the future of our country is at stake. There will be no coming back in 4 or 8 yrs. Obama and the dems with both houses of congress with make that impossible.
Barry should have studied Murphy’s Laws of Combat. Sin Loy.
If you can't remember . . . the claymore is probably pointed at you. Murphy’s Laws of Combat
My Friends
October 7, 2008 - 22:38 ET by third eyeLets leave the white flag waving to Obama, this race isnt over yet.
3rd i...
October 7, 2008 - 22:43 ET by Clear thinkerPlease, for heavens sake, don't use that term "My Friends". Thanks much!
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I think McCain did quite
October 7, 2008 - 22:39 ET by JulesI think McCain did quite well given the horrible questions asked.
He laid blame on Obama and dems for the housing crisis and pointed out Obamas campaign donations from fan and fred.
He refutted pretty much everything Obama said and seemed more knowledgeable on the issues and more experienced. He answered the questions faster, packed more information into his answers and constantly kept Obama on the defensive. The negative point came when he had to say health care was a reponsibility not a right and that was a horribly biased question that Tom already knew what the answer would be and he chose it wisely to make McCain look bad. McCain's strongest point was calling out Obama on stating how he would kill Bin Laden. I thought it made Obama look very foolish. Obama continues to look very naive and say what he wants people to hear, McCain continues to be more experienced on the issues.
Jules... So the media
October 7, 2008 - 22:41 ET by Clear thinkerJules...
So the media will say Obama won big time tomorrow, right?
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This is one time I am not
October 7, 2008 - 22:44 ET by bigtimerThis is one time I am not going to blame the msm..it is and was McCain's to win or lose...we all know what they will say anyway if he had won...but he didn't.... not even close.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
bt... Yes I know.
October 7, 2008 - 22:53 ET by Clear thinkerbt...
Yes I know. Write-in ballots are our only chance.
My write-in choice will be Sarah! She's the only candidate left running that has any balls.
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Well, I planned on doing
October 7, 2008 - 22:56 ET by bigtimerWell, I planned on doing that anyway before Palin...so now he cinched if for me...
....well actually he did when he voted for the bail-out.
I will be glad when this BS is over.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Okay NB'ers...
October 7, 2008 - 23:08 ET by PrairieSkyEverybody needs to take a deep breath...
Do I think McCain did what he had to do to change the direction of the race? No.
Do I think that McCain had a great performance? No. But do I think it was a disaster? No.
I think the reason that everybody seems so down about this is because there were such high hopes that McCain would say or do something that would seem to turn the race around. I also think that McCain's mention of this program about the government buying up and reducing the amount of many of these bad mortgage loans threw a lot of people...I still don't understand all of what he meant by that idea.
Now with that said, I also don't think Obama had a particularly good performance either. He did what he needed to do tonight...Basically, show up, string some relatively coherent sentences together, and don't make any really obvious gaffes. Obama did what he usually does. He talks and talks and manages to avoid any specifics (because he doesn't have any). He, like McCain, also didn't have a great moment.
All things considered, I still think McCain smoked Obama on tax and foreign policy issues. And I think the last question, inane though it was, set up McCain's best response.
This debate set up didn't lend itself to McCain going after Obama on Ayers etc. That will have to wait for the campaign trail rhetoric.
The last debate is billed as focusing on foreign policy issues, which is McCain's strongest area, so we can hope for his best performance there.
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
Ain't going down without a fight!!
October 7, 2008 - 23:12 ET by TN MomThis debate set up didn't lend itself to McCain going after Obama on Ayers etc. That will have to wait for the campaign trail rhetoric.
I agree. I think Sen. McCain was speaking tonite to the undecideds and moderate dems. This was not the format/place to bring up Ayers & company. We are sooooo frustrated and angry that the msm, ACORN, (along with dems in congress) have trampled all over our freedom- of speech freedom of free market-freedom to fair votes, that we only would be happy if McCain had picked up the stool and whopped obama (then tom) upside their silly liberal heads?!!
TN Mom
October 7, 2008 - 23:22 ET by Indiana Joe"undecideds and moderate dems."
Copy that. These debates were never, ever about the base. They're meant to sway the moderates, which both sides need to win.
What surprises me is that the base seems very upset about tonight. Here, at any rate.
Hey, I'm no McCain booster. I never was. I don't usually have the time of day for "moderates." I agree with Rush, a moderate is someone who can't make up their minds, because they have no principles. They want to be seen as "thoughtful." They're not thoughtful, they're afraid of having to defend their thoughts. But, a politician needs them.
I didn't put much stock or hope on any of the debates. And, for me, they haven't changed a thing. Maybe that's why I'm not ready to throw in the towel. We got a month to go, and I intend to use it.
"... smells like.... victory." - Robert Duvall, Apocalypse Now
Ditto, TN Mom...
October 7, 2008 - 23:24 ET by PrairieSky"...that we only would be happy if McCain had picked up the stool and whopped obama (then tom) upside their silly liberal heads?!!"
I love it, and you're right. The fight's not over yet...A month is a lifetime in politics, and McCain should continue his attacks on Obama and his personal and political connections. I don't think many in this country truly see or realize just who this man really is.
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
I think people like me see
October 7, 2008 - 23:29 ET by bigtimerI think people like me see plenty about who this man is...Obama and McCain.
I wasn't born yesterday...this is sadder than sad.
conservatives like me, cannot stand to pull the lever for a man who keeps sticking us in the back every chance he gets...he did tonight..again.
By the way, if anyone here thinks McCain isn't exactly what he says he is tonight, you would be wrong.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
I was referring to Obama...
October 7, 2008 - 23:41 ET by PrairieSkywhen I said that people "...don't realize who this man really is".
As far as McCain is concerned, I have known from the start who he is and what he has supported (or not) over the years. As I've said in the past here on NB, I am not and haven't ever been a particularly enthusiastic McCain supporter...He wasn't my first choice, ever. But, given the choice between voting for McCainPalin, ObamaBiden, or not voting at all, I will still be voting for McCainPalin.
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
Sky... I know you were
October 7, 2008 - 23:54 ET by bigtimerSky...
I know you were referring to Obama..but also so many really do not know what McC is like either behind the scenes in the Senate.
I am leaving it at that...
Believe me I was hoping against hope that McCain would do something great when it came to just the right side of aisle...I knew he really wouldn't.
I'm angry, disappointed, and very weary...I am just sad this is the best we have.
No matter who wins, we are forked.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Mc Cain will keep the most of the staff Bush put in place,..
October 8, 2008 - 00:01 ET by upcountrywaterI will be a BLOOD BATH, if 0bama pulls his hope N'change out of his hell hole of a "brain"...
Oh we will get what we want in 4 years, blah blah ... OOh no we won't!
GAME OVER.
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I understand, bt...
October 8, 2008 - 00:08 ET by PrairieSkyand I share your disappointment and exhaustion about this whole thing. For months, I have thought more times than I can count that I wish we had a different, stronger candidate for president, and that sentiment has not changed.
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
I just threw my McCain yard sign in the trash.
October 7, 2008 - 23:49 ET by attorneygirlI live in fear for what is happening to our country.
Real fear.
The bail out bill that was passed earlier (that McCain voted for) has a provision in it that allows for "foreclosure mitigation." This means that the federal government gets to meddle in rewriting loans.
So, if you borrowed $500,000, but you failed to pay your loan on time, then the government can come in and--poof--you now only owe $200,000.
In tonight's debate, McCain presented his new McCain Resurgence Plan where he wants $300 Billion more of our dollars to buy up bad loans---yes, they want to bail out idiots who borrowed too much money for houses they could not afford--and they want to bail them out by forgiving their debt. God all mighty. I'm pissed off big time over this one. That's one of the most ridiculously socialistic tactics I've seen since, wait, last week!!!!!
(Can they do that to my law loan? Wait, I'd have to fall behind in my payments, right? No sweat. I can do that. So, if I go spend all my hard earned money on say, crack cocaine, beer, big trucks, hookers, fancy vacations, flashy clothes, alcohol, and drugs, and fail to pay my law loan, will the federal government then let me off the hook for, say, $75,000 of my law loan? What do you think? Let's try it, okay?)
Our country is going down the wrong path.
This is just wrong on every possible level.
And McCain fucked up big time tonight. He really failed on all fours. (Yes, I cursed. So sue me over it.)
He will not get my vote. (He had my vote up until tonight with his Resurgence Plan.) I'm so mad I took down my McCain yard sign.
And that is the disaster.
I'm a woman without a candidate to vote for.
Vote for the Sarah Palin part of the ticket!
October 8, 2008 - 01:22 ET by ScandimanI was never going to vote for McCan't in the 1st place. The only redeeming thing he ever did was put Sarah Palin on the ticket. As far as I am concerned I will be pulling the lever on Nov 4th For Sarah Palin and against Obama and the Stalinist MSM.
I noticed the part about
October 8, 2008 - 09:35 ET by SchnikeysI noticed the part about the McCain Resurgence Plan. Blatant socialism. It's like he doesn't even try to be a conservative...very likely because he forgot (or doesn't care) why the conservatives even insist on having their own party to begin with (all in the name of bi-partisanship- or rather, "post-partisanship." He's a "me-too" candidate").
I was about to buy a McCain/Palin bumper sticker, but I canceled those plans after last night's debate. Palin was foolish to join a ticket with McCain on it.
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"My morality is your morality."
Who are you? Really?
October 8, 2008 - 10:00 ET by KarmaWhat in the hell are you trying to do?? The stereotypical lawyer has worked hard to acheive the level of disdain bestowed upon her/him! Why are you trying to destroy the hard earned reputation of an entire group of predominately self-ordained elitists? All I can say is...
...you've got one lucky husband.
More on topic though...Something is only worth what someone else is willing to pay. Unless the government gets involved of course.
A quick quiz for ya' AG. Henry Handout buys a home for $500,000. No money down. The government then gives Henry $150,000 to apply to his loan to make it more "manageable". Henry turns around and sells the home to Iwant Sometoo for $465,000. Does Henry pay capital gains on the $115,000 profit or does the government step in and give Mr. Sometoo the $150,000 he also deserves? Or do Henry and Iwant split the cash and giggle with glee? You seem to be a smart person. Please figure this out for me. Sorry, no retainer until I come into some government "glee" money.
Robert Gibbs is an awful
October 7, 2008 - 22:49 ET by SeashellRobert Gibbs is an awful person.
He really is a slimy little toad, isn't he?
October 7, 2008 - 22:51 ET by PrairieSkyI can't stand him...One more liberal to loathe...
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
Ss... You got that
October 7, 2008 - 22:52 ET by bigtimerSs...
You got that right.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
A most appropriate song for what is to come.
October 7, 2008 - 22:55 ET by R D Helm...and the trees were all kept equal, by hatchet, axe, and saw.
-Dave
If this nation is to be saved, umm, oh, nevermind! We're glued, screwed and tattooed!
A great Rush song
October 7, 2008 - 23:00 ET by MexNobamaEven us classical guys have great respect for the band Rush.
Great lyrics, but remember. Conservative concepts don't die with the failure of a single candidate.
If we lose this election we just have to fight harder in two years time.
Fight harder?
October 7, 2008 - 23:26 ET by dcullingIf we can fight harder. If we aren't under a police state by then. Think I'm overreacting? Look how often it's happened throughout history.
The usual death of a Democracy happens when a too big government with too high taxes causes the economy to collapse. Then there's a violent revolution and the masses install a leader with Dictatorial powers and the tyranny begins.
I submit to you that the violence has already occurred in the media raping of Sarah. Or it could be that we will have riots in the inner cities on or right before election day as a "vote for Obama or else" kind of protest.
It's pretty clear we are already in the middle of an economic collapse.
I fear with the most partisan leftist Congress in history, Obama will be given unprecedented powers to "solve" the crisis. "Solving" the crisis will of course require silencing all opposition.
Review the history of Democracies and convince me I'm overreacting...please!
You are not over-reacting
October 7, 2008 - 23:35 ET by attorneygirlDear Dculling,
You are not over-reacting.
Obama, I believe, will be our next Dictator/President/One/Leader/Precious One/Holy Savior/Master/Savior.
With a democrat-controlled Congress and Senate, there will be no stopping his spending or abuse of power.
And the Democrats thought Bush was bad.
This country is going to hell.
hay mexN
October 7, 2008 - 23:30 ET by upcountrywaterHeres that link...
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0bama sitting down with this guy
IranianUranium
Worthwhile links
October 8, 2008 - 00:16 ET by MexNobamaWe know what we have on the line with Obama...
We know that he is a Marxist. We know what he intends to do.
Thta is why we must fight harder if anything. This is no joke.
As someone said on another post above this is 1976 all over again.
But remember what 4 years of genuine leftist ideology did for the conservative movement?
We cannot surrender our beliefs even if our luke warm candidate doesn't make it. If anything W's spending habits and a McCain loss should make us more conservative, not less. We need to go further into the true conservative principles we hold dear and demand candidates who represnt those beliefs.
In 1988 AM radio was controlled by left leaning psycho babble personalities and comedy teams.
Now we have an internt that is dominated by left leaning blogmeisters. We can use this technology to spread our own message.
Why not form out these potential ashes a massive conservative internet guild. 20 million users all dedicated to shaping opinion, keeping each other informed, debating finer points, endorsing candidates, raising money for someone such as Sarah Palin, one member at a time. If McCain loses now why should we allow our prinicples to die.
Man I'm a classical musician. I have dedicated my whole life to a form of music that most Americans think is fodder for broad comedy. But I believe in it so I lecture about it and I write music and tell people about how exciting it is...and I make a living at it.
If I can commit to that then why shouldn't we commit to what I am saying? There are 20 million Rush fans alone. Isn't that a strong enough base? Couldn't we turn that into 40 milion or 50 million?
If Obama wins and does everything we are predicting he will do are you prepared to just had him your homes and businesses?
Make no mistake. Barack Obama will bring communism to the White House, but he hasn't replaced those justices yet, and the dems are unlikely to have a super majority in the senate.
Let us communicate with our representatives. Let us band together.
Let us fight the oppression before it even has a chance to be set in place.
Rally for God's sake. It is time for at least virtual pitchforks and torches.
I intend to cast a proud vote for the more conservative ticket because there is at least one true conservative on the ticket.
If that ticket loses I intend to keep voicing my demands for liberty and capitalism.
What are you guys going to do??
Begala and CNN
October 7, 2008 - 22:59 ET by MSD6How's this for bias. Paul Begala gave Obama two positive points for simply thanking the hosting university and Tom Brokaw.
HELP!!!! I CAN'T GET IN TO NB CHATZY!!!
October 7, 2008 - 23:06 ET by TheSterSOMEBODY SEND ME A PM SO I CAN GET IN!!!
I REGISTERED ON CHATZY...NOW I CANT GET INTO NB ROOM!!!
Ster.
Me too Ster, it says
October 7, 2008 - 23:08 ET by HillbillyKingmy admin password is incorrect.
A little help anyone?
If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you.
Don Marquis 1878-1937
dunno ster
October 7, 2008 - 23:11 ET by candanceSomehow we all got the boot....you still have the link to the, ahem, other one? We're going there. :)
We got NUKED!!!
October 7, 2008 - 23:14 ET by TheSterI wanted to fight Bird anyway. Ok...I'll goto the "special" place.
cd It is (was) Matt 's room, one needs to ask for a password
October 7, 2008 - 23:35 ET by upcountrywateron that site?!I just didn't feel like it.
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Matt-Dave-Blonde-Ken...anybody????
October 7, 2008 - 23:13 ET by TheSterU blocked me out!!!
PM me the password!!
I'm stuck watching Olby...I need emotional support!!! :(
Ster.
"My Friends"
October 7, 2008 - 23:15 ET by SumricaSeems like someone in McCain's posse would have told him, by now, to stop using that tired mousy-mouthed "my friends" phrase. Hardhead that he is though...
I'm not your friend, you cap-n-trade, shamnesty, left-reaching dumb cluck!
Sumrica... Same
October 7, 2008 - 23:24 ET by bigtimerSumrica...
Same here.
...."My Friend"
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Hell, as long as I am dedicating songs to our current predic....
October 8, 2008 - 00:05 ET by R D Helm...may as well go after the fat-ass Wall Streeters, too.
...on a tumble of the dice.
And here is a newer (live) version, just for the hell of it.
And no, this song is not anti free-enterprise, so spare me the angry PMs.
Big Money
Words by Neil Peart, music by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson
Big money goes around the world
Big money underground
Big money got a mighty voice
Big money make no sound
Big money pull a million strings
Big money hold the prize
Big money weave a mighty web
Big money draw the flies
Sometimes pushing people around
Sometimes pulling out the rug
Sometimes pushing all the buttons
Sometimes pulling out the plug
Its the power and the glory
Its a war in paradise
Its a cinderella story
On a tumble of the dice
Big money goes around the world
Big money take a cruise
Big money leave a mighty wake
Big money leave a bruise
Big money make a million dreams
Big money spin big deals
Big money make a mighty head
Big money spin big wheels
Sometimes building ivory towers
Sometimes knocking castles down
Sometimes building you a stairway --
Lock you underground
Its that old-time religion
Its the kingdom they would rule
Its the fool on television
Getting paid to play the fool
Big money goes around the world
Big money give and take
Big money done a power of good
Big money make mistakes
Big money got a heavy hand
Big money take control
Big money got a mean streak
Big money got no soul...
-Dave
If this nation is to be saved, umm, oh, nevermind! We're glued, screwed and tattooed!
McCain had me until his McCain Resurgence Plan
October 7, 2008 - 23:31 ET by attorneygirlFolks, I was supportive of McCain until tonight. Now I refuse to vote for him or anyone else. I'll write in my own name.
I cannot vote for him out of my own conscience.
Tonight during the most boring debate in the history of color TV, McCain presented--out of left field--his proposal for the American Home Ownership Resurgence Plan (the McCain Resurgence Plan).
He's an idiot. Really.
Here is the McCain campaign's actual news release on it:
AMERICAN HOMEOWNERSHIP RESURGENCE PLAN
John McCain will direct his Treasury Secretary to implement an American Homeownership Resurgence Plan (McCain Resurgence Plan) to keep families in their homes, avoid foreclosures, save failing neighborhoods, stabilize the housing market and attack the roots of our financial crisis. America’s families are bearing a heavy burden from falling housing prices, mortgage delinquencies, foreclosures, and a weak economy. It is important that those families who have worked hard enough to finance homeownership not have that dream crushed under the weight of the wrong mortgage. The existing debts are too large compared to the value of housing. For those that cannot make payments, mortgages must be re-structured to put losses on the books and put homeowners in manageable mortgages. Lenders in these cases must recognize the loss that they’ve already suffered.
The McCain Resurgence Plan would purchase mortgages directly from homeowners and mortgage servicers, and replace them with manageable, fixed-rate mortgages that will keep families in their homes. By purchasing the existing, failing mortgages the McCain resurgence plan will eliminate uncertainty over defaults, support the value of mortgage-backed derivatives and alleviate risks that are freezing financial markets.
The McCain resurgence plan would be available to mortgage holders that:
· Live in the home (primary residence only)
· Can prove their creditworthiness at the time of the original loan (no falsifications and provided a down payment).
The new mortgage would be an FHA-guaranteed fixed-rate mortgage at terms manageable for the homeowner. The direct cost of this plan would be roughly $300 billion because the purchase of mortgages would relieve homeowners of “negative equity” in some homes. Funds provided by Congress in recent financial market stabilization bill can be used for this purpose; indeed by stabilizing mortgages it will likely be possible to avoid some purposes previously assumed needed in that bill.
The plan could be implemented quickly as a result of the authorities provided in the stabilization bill, the recent housing bill, and the U.S. government’s conservatorship of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. It may be necessary for Congress to raise the overall borrowing limit. [End of quote.]
McCain is bailing out irresponsible folks who bought overpriced homes with adjustable rate mortgages and who did not live within their means!!!!!
He is bailing out free-spending, losers while folks like me who ate tuna while getting a law degree, drove an old car (and still do!!!), and who worked my ass off to build a law practice and have a home I can actually afford and made payments on WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR THESE LOSERS' OVERSPENDING.
I'M SICK OF IT.
I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT.
I WAS AGAINST THE BAIL OUT.
I AM AGAINST McCAIN's RESURGENCE PLAN.
What I need to do is start a pitchfork and torch business and sell like hell to everyone else who is mad enough to march on Washington and throw all the bums out onto the street.
I would have voted for Sarah Palin. But I cannot now vote for McCain. I just can't.
I just took the McCain yard sign out of my yard.
It's going in the trash.
And I'm a true Republican.....
But McCain is not.
He should have fought like a mad dog against the bail out.
He just lost the election tonight.
This county will go to hell, and I'll just have to make more money by working harder so I can pay for everyone else's irresponsibility.
Jesus.
I'm not getting the Perot shaft again I'm voting for Mc RINO
October 7, 2008 - 23:37 ET by upcountrywaterCLIMATE CRISIS
IranianUranium
upc... I am writing
October 7, 2008 - 23:44 ET by bigtimerupc...
I am writing in.
I am not voting for the man I have despised for years in the Seante..he really showed his true colors tonight.
If anyone thinks that conservatives across the land haven't had it ...again with McCain tonight...you watch.
You all should of had he pleasure of listening to this piece of work in the Senate for as many years as I have...a real maverick all right.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
atgirl... You are not
October 7, 2008 - 23:40 ET by bigtimeratgirl...
You are not alone...after the global warming crap, he did this, another bail-out got free housing bill at the expense of us tax-payers out here who have worked, slaved, paid our mortgages, sacrificed ...everything..
Now he had the audicity to add 300 billion to another 1 trillion (because that is what the bail-out bill is eventually going to reach) to us...all for voters...
The problem is, most people here, think McCain is just pandering, he really doesn't mean it...
YES HE DOES!
Wake up out there people...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
100% correct
October 7, 2008 - 23:46 ET by cocodriebut I still have to vote McCain to defeat Hussein Obama. It won't be many more years till I go to meet Jesus And I don't want Him to ask me why I allowed a muslim communist to take over America. America was dedicated to Jesus 300 years ago.
YES cocodrie, that's my POINT too.. my only reason 4 votin Mc
October 7, 2008 - 23:53 ET by upcountrywaterCLIMATE CRISIS
because 0bama will sit with this guy, link below
IranianUranium
The greatest advantage Sen.
October 8, 2008 - 00:06 ET by cocodrieThe greatest advantage Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin have - THEY ARE NOT LAWYERS!
Attorneygirl
October 8, 2008 - 00:09 ET by cocodrieMy apologies for the above post, I couldn't help myself. Couldn't resist.
You must be kidding
October 7, 2008 - 23:49 ET by dcullingYou must be kidding. Not voting for the semi-socialist McCain is basically giving a vote to the clearly Marxist Obama.
Let's see.... we, who don't
October 8, 2008 - 00:00 ET by bigtimerLet's see.... we, who don't want to vote for either man who are both socialists, just one more than the other...are wrong.
I don't think so.
I value/respect your opinion, value/respect mine.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
No...
October 8, 2008 - 00:22 ET by dcullingNo. You obviously don't understand the difference between Socialism and Marxism. Read a little about the horrors Stalin perpetrated on his citizens and then make the same statement.
Socialism is what countries like France, Germany, UK ect. have.
I'm sorry, maybe it's a flaw of mine, but I don't respect opinions when they appear lacking in certain knowledge. Total government control has ALWAYS caused the greatest pain and suffering the world has seen no matter what it's called; Dictatorship, Monarchies, Marxism, Theocracies, ect.
I also realize it's a flaw of mine that I tend to slap people in the face with what I think is the truth. I've lost jobs doing that so don't expect me to change on the Internet lol.
I don't expect anything of
October 8, 2008 - 00:44 ET by bigtimerI don't expect anything of you...it is the internet...nobody asked you to change.
I do understand the difference between the two, I just didn't and don't feel like getting into which evil do we pick here...
In my opinion, one of the biggest mistakes we make in this country is to keep on voting for the lesser of two evils, this election is the worst in my lifetime of voting...
I just hope whatever happens either way, people wake up, send a strong message elect and vote for a real conservative next go around, that is if a real one is elected in the primaries next go 'round..
I'll vote for who my conscience tells me to...not because of popular opinion to go along to get along.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Bigtimer
October 8, 2008 - 01:07 ET by cocodrieMany brave men and women died to give you freedom to follow your heart. Stick to your guns and don't compromise. Your self respect is worth a lot more than someone elses opinion.
coco.. Thank
October 8, 2008 - 01:14 ET by bigtimercoco..
Thank you...
More than you know.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Heart or head?
October 8, 2008 - 02:26 ET by dcullingI would suggest those that died for our freedoms would expect us to follow our heads when we pick a president so we don't lose the freedoms they fought for. Following your heart is fine for love, beauty, music, art work and such, but not for picking a president.
Where will your self respect be when a president Obama pulls out the troops in Iraq too soon and millions die in the ensuing civil war and violent overthrow by Al Qaeda? How would that honor those that died for our freedoms there?
Don't forget that Governor Palin is the true conservative to vote for. I suspect McCain's main interest is finishing the war and will step down when it's done.
not McCain
October 8, 2008 - 05:13 ET by AgnosticI have only once voted for the lesser of two evils therefore I have rarely voted for president. I will not vote for McCain. In the end I may vote against full Democrat control of the government, against the indoctrination of our young, against Marxism, against universal health care and against the control Soros' & Sandler's money allows but I will not vote for McCain. The lack of the elective process to put up more than a couple of decent candidates in the last 30 years shows there are many flaws in the system.
In the end only one of these will get me to hold my nose and vote McCain and that is to prevent a one party ruling in Washington led by our current democrat leaders. Obama is an outsider to the Pelosi/Reid group but his support will be bought with pro-minority social give-aways and the leaders of our current Congress will be the ones who will truly control Washington and the msm will happily ignore the further decline of American society.
Sorry - a little depressed this morning. My favorite pub may be going out of business next month.
I agree...
October 8, 2008 - 09:02 ET by dcullingI agree the situation sucks. There were too many true conservatives in the primary and they split up the conservative vote allowing the most liberal candidate to win.
However, I'm really voting FOR Sarah Palin just on the hope McCain is really only interested in ending the wars successfully, with honor and with the least causalities and then getting out of Sarah's way.
attorneygirl...
October 8, 2008 - 00:00 ET by PrairieSkyBoy do I, to coin a phrase made famous by Bill Clinton (am I really quoting him?), "feel your pain." I'm not trying to be flip...I really do feel your anguish and disgust at this situation.
I agree with everything you said, except that you can't now vote for McCain. I understand and agree with your anger and disillusionment about this "resurgence plan." My husband and I have worked our fannies off to achieve what we have too, and the idea that some irresponsible idiots may possibly get bailed out by MY tax money, is horrendous. But...as opposed as I am to this program, I still cannot bring myself to sit on the sidelines and not vote at all, which to me, would be like aiding and abetting an Obama and Co. win.
I truly respect your position on this, but the thought of Barack Obama becoming president of this country is so abhorrent to me, that I just can't bring myself to sit this election out.
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
Selfmade tizzymachine
October 8, 2008 - 02:07 ET by RackieI bet you don't eat sausage knowing how it's made.
i hope it doesnt get this bad
October 7, 2008 - 23:58 ET by dark_dsI hope it doesnt get this bad .....but I am having trouble visualizing Obama not winning .... pains me to say it and will pain the nation much more .. the pendulum is swinging as it does in the US .. I just hope it doesnt swing too far left .. and with no one standing in the way I suspect the damage will be deep .. forgive me for the cliche at the photoshop i did in the link
McCain Showing
October 8, 2008 - 00:39 ET by VinncyGI can't believe McCain let Obama get away with half the comments he made. I would absolutely like to see the questions that Brokaw decided weren't good enough for what ever reason. Not one question to Obama's questionable past and associations.
This election is in the tank, unless the silent majority gets out in droves we are in trouble. As much as I dislike McCain I despise Obama and it would be criminal not to cast my vote against him.
Snooze Fest...ZZZZZZ
October 8, 2008 - 00:48 ET by Travis NoodleI had to watch the debate on CNN. I need to take a bath now and wash all the liberal off of me.
McCain's answers were clear and concise.
Obama's attempts at trying to sound "nuanced" turned him into mash potatoe mouth.
The first half of the debate I would give to Obama. The rest of the debate I would give to McCain.
I started to boil when I saw Obama smirking. He has no place in the White House.
it's a double
October 8, 2008 - 01:12 ET by Travis Noodlea little too zealous on the post button.
triple post...sorry.
October 8, 2008 - 00:50 ET by Travis Noodletriple post...sorry.
I didn't watch the
October 8, 2008 - 01:26 ET by ckc1227I didn't watch the debate, but I'm guessing Obama continued tying McCain to Bush, which has been a running theme throughout his campaign. Has anyone noticed that it seems to be ok to tie MCain to Bush, but tying Obama to Ayers, or Wright, or Hamas, or pretty much anyone else is "guilt by association" and is off limits? Funny how that works out, isn't it?
Obama's Economic plan: more taxes, more spending, more regulation. Prosperity here we come.
I'm not going to give up.
October 8, 2008 - 03:44 ET by TheSterI'm not going to give up. No way.
Options....
1) Roll over and die....
2) Regroup and call in the reinforcements ( PALIN ).
This is a fight for the next 4 years of policy. Are you guys gonna give it to the Dems....do it!! Think your 401k sucks now??? Just wait.
I am NOT going to hand over power to the Democrats without a FIGHT!!
I have my own mini-fights with LIBERALS...here is what I did last week:
I needed to register to vote to change my address. I saw a guy registering people to vote in the Fry's Electronics parking lot. OBAMA crap all over the place...his shirt, hat, car, "vote here" written on back of an Obama sign, etc.
I gotta get this done anyway...so I might as well mess with this guy! I pull up and parked my car right next to his little card table. It's 1pm cst...right during Rush's show...which I am listening to as usual!
I get out...crank up the radio so I...and he...can hear Rush loud and clear while I'm standing by my car. I get the form...I play stupid and make him explain every line on the registration..he has to raise his voice to get heard over Rush.
I start filling out the form on the trunk of my car...thus keeping him there to answer all of my made up questions.
I can tell he is getting irritated by having to listen to Rush...so I'm really going to mess with this guy!!! Right as I get ready to sign it...I "mess up" the signature...
OOOPS!! I gotta start all over again!!!
I made this LIBERAL listen to 25 minutes of Rush Limbaugh!!
The look on his face was PRICELESS!!
Ster.
"What do Barack Obama and Osama bin Laden have in common? They both have friends who bombed the Pentagon." -Rush.
lol!
October 8, 2008 - 11:15 ET by dcullinglol, good one! But you don't really think you're registered to vote with the new address do you?
Agree with LC
October 8, 2008 - 09:55 ET by JasonPAnd I disagree with most posters here stating McCain lost this one outright. I'm looking forward to reviewing the transcript of this one, as I think it will produce numerous gems with which to attack Obama's platform. Now, whether McCain does this, I have no idea, but hopefully Palin will pick up his slack.
Obama stated he would encourage national conscription for Americans either in the Peace Corp/Americorp, and the military. I think he did this when asked the 'sacrifice' question.
In addition, while stating that earmarks 'only' make up approx 18B of the nat'l budget, he then went on during another question to make a big deal of the US spending approx $16B in Iraq per day. He actually stated that these earmarks are no big deal.
Obama outlined how he would continue to pressure allies and proceed to talk directly to enemies such as N. Korea and Iran. He made an absolute gaff by stating he would support 'democracy' in Pakistan. Knowing full well that democracy there means an islamic fundamentalist gov't, already armed with nuclear weapons. Good thing our nuclear pact with India has been completed.
He flubbed the question regarding Russia, and about protecting Israel. I have no idea what he was saying about the Holocaust, but it was garbled and incoherent.
He confirmed, as McCain charged, that he would FINE parents for not making sure their children were insured. He confirmed he would raise taxes on SMALL Businesses, and tried to minimize the effect by stating only a small percentage of small businesses make over $250K/year. Well, they're still small businesses, which confirms his ignorance of how businesses operate.
Please, before the conservatives on this site abandon McCain and state that he lost this debate, please reconsider, and read the transcript. What Obama is planning is hostile to this nation and the world. I know that McCain is not our ideal candidate, but I have faith that the conservative members of the house and senate would be able to minimize whatever actions he takes regarding climate change, economics, etc.
Not giving up either...
October 8, 2008 - 10:30 ET by tsigToo much at stake....there was one moment towards the end that I feel McCain could have pounced and chose not to....
When Obama started with the ridiculous line..."Some of you may remember 9/11." And the proceded to state how Bush asked the country "to shop" after 9/11, McCain should have replied that he recalled Bush giving that same speech at ground zero but that he remembered that it helped calm our fears, the speech that reminded us that we were Americans and that we could/would overcome the tragedy because of the fact that we were Americans...and that Republicans and Democrats alike applauded that speech.
He should then have said that someone else was making their opinons known on that very day....a friend of the Messiah named "Ayers"...and he could have reminded everyone that his friend, the man in whose living room he chose to kick off his political career was quoted in the New York Times as saying that his group "didn't do enough" in their bombings on the Pentagon....
Imagine the look on his face....imagine the MSM outrage....would have been priceless...and a "game-changer" in my opinion.
Conservatives sent a
October 8, 2008 - 12:55 ET by sick_puppyConservatives sent a message to nation and the world twice in 14 yrs.
1992.… Bill Clinton elected with 43% of the vote.
2006.…. put Dems in charge of the Senate and House of Representatives.
Showed those Repubs.
Nice.
Barry should have studied Murphy’s Laws of Combat. Sin Loy.
If you can't remember . . . the claymore is probably pointed at you. Murphy’s Laws of Combat
Kind of a vicious circle,
October 8, 2008 - 14:06 ET by KarmaKind of a vicious circle, huh sick_puppy. Repubs keep sending their same message of socialism-lite to conservatives. Where has it gotton them? Where is it going to get them come November?
Showed those conservatives.
And around and around we go.