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For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: we risk a disintegration of global finance within days.

We face extreme danger. Unless there is immediate intervention on every front by all the major powers acting in concert, we risk a disintegration of global finance within days. Nobody will be spared, unless they own gold bars.

It is quite clear that many people in America, likely thanks to astoundingly poor reporting by a largely ignorant media, have absolutlely no idea of what's going on in the global financial markets, and what's behind it. 

The British Telegraph has an absolutely must-read article today that accurately explained just how close things are to a total meltdown, and how the world's central banks -- in particular, the ECB which has been mismanaged by chairman Jean Claude Trichet for years!!! -- have incompetently added to the problem.

This is not just about bad loans, bad lenders, bad Wall Streeters, and bad government. It is also about bad central bankers. Do yourself a favor and read the whole thing.

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Is it too late to buy an

Is it too late to buy an underground bunker?

Well, via credit

Well, via credit yes.

Cash or gold or diamionds should seal the deal.

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

Terrorist Bill Ayers

Via Sweetness & Light, in 1997 Michelle Obama invited terrorist Bill Ayers to speak. 

But this should not be construed that they are in any way friendly with each other or have a similar ideology. (wink, wink)

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/michelle-obama-had-ayers-speak-in-1997

Bad Government

Our financial mess is mainly about bad government.  Central banks = government.

"Bad"--you bet

Right on, Kingfish17. As is coming to light in America, the Democrats stiffled every attempt at mortgage reform because of the sleazy relationships with Fannie and Freddie. And so many of our politicians have been living the good life while our nation is falling further into the abyss, morally as well as financially. Real reform at every level, beginning with TERM LIMITS, must be initiated. Sadly, most Americans don't trust that reform will ever come. Are we doomed? That's the big questiion.

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

I've decided...

I've decided I want the economy to crash, worldwide makes it even better...as long as it's before the election. The masses have to feel the pain so they demand the truth from the media; the truth we all know that this is a direct result of the failure of Socialist ideals and the Liberals behind them.

Currently the Dow Jones is down 400+ points and below 10,000.

Come on America, feel the pain and demand the truth and the heads of those responsible...which we all know are mostly Democrats.

The masses have been

The masses have been demanding the truth from the media for years, nothing has seemed to change them from their scheming, liberal agenda driven ways.  Even if the world were to end with a Democrat pushing the button, and crapping on the ashes the media would blame Bush.

The media has to...

The media has to feel the pain too so they start questioning themselves. After Bill O'Rielly lost a ton in Merril Lynch stocks he got a little fire in his belly. It was good to see him explode on Barney "Fwrank." I think we need that kind of fear and anger in the MSM. It is not uncommon to question one's most cherished beliefs when one is in the depths of despair.

MSM Wants Panic

But the majority of the MSM want to see this.  Panic helps their business.  It gives them a chance to get on tv and breathlessly report disaster.  I bet even Katie Couric will be wearing her smart glasses tonight.

I'm think...

I'm thinking a lot of the MSM viewers are going to remember how the MSM pushed this bailout as the "big solution" and when it obviously isn't they will look elsewhere for answers. Hopefully enough of them will start watching Fox News. Some of them may even find their way here which would be great.

dc... You are exactly

dc...

You are exactly right as far as the msm yelping the loudest about the need for the bail-out...IMMEDIATELY...including those on Fox, specifically the Fox Business Channel...not all but the majority of the talking heads and other guests, they did not listen to others they had on as guests...why no, they no all see all be all...

I have listened to some of these same people today, some with a bit of astonishment, these people drive me nuts, plus they never say they are or could of been wrong.

Congressman McCotter from Michigan spoke volumes about all of this, I looked all over for a clip of him with Liz Claman, it was priceless...

I loved how he said you in the elite media...Liz took offense.

Oh dear... 

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

This is Y2K all over

This is Y2K all over again.  We should kill the "bailout" ASAP, and the strength of the US economic system will prevail.  The socialist economies will fall, as they should.  We have been propping them up for years.

robert... I could not

robert...

I could not agree more, we have for more than years and years, at least better than a decade now...

The DJ stock market prices have been false for years now as far as I am concerned...

It should be more around7500- 8500 or so in my opinion, and should of been way back...then take it from there...

Now reality is hitting...and we are all paying for it now too, thanks to congress-critters, msm, and of course tons of others in the system on Wall Street...and the tax-payers are the people paying, once again, instead of the cheating swine in all areas mentioned. 

Just makes me furious.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

The old mantra

If it bleeds it leads. That goes to for the markets as well. Just ask how we are doing in Iraq. We could win it and the MSM would never tell.

McCain / Palin  '08

Twisting the truth

With the Dow sinking further and further and the economy in chaos, the MSM will do one of its favorite stupid media tricks: blame Republicans for the financial mess, not the Democrats (where the blame truly belongs).  They'll bend over backwards for the Anointed One, and it's time America finally wakes up and sees the media's dishonesty.

Liberal Media

Unfortunately your idea doesn't quite work.  The media has a huge impact on America and is saturated with liberal ideology.  The media will blame any crisis on lack of government control.  Look at how the approval ratings of Congress are the lowest ever, yet Pelosi/Reid skate around with big grins on their face.  In order for a major upheaval, citizens have to get around the talking heads and chattering class.

Well then...

Well then maybe the masses will start looking for better answers than what the MSM has been giving them.

No matter what, feeling the pain now is better then after the election...I'm convince we will feel it sometime anyway. At least the truth has a chance to get out now before it's too late.

The masses must learn this crisis is a direct result of the Socialism their Liberals have been pushing for years BEFORE they elect the most radical socialist candidate the Democrats could have possibly picked.

Whatever happened to the

Whatever happened to the U.S. government bailout being the savior of the world with the Divine Barack Obama leading the heavenly charge into a new and perfect utopia?  Has he let us down already? 

His Divineness

While walking on water, his Divineness stepped on a slippery patch and slid.  We'll get back to you as soon as his disciples finish copying his speech on the inside of his arm.

Fannie/Freddie

OJ got away with murder and lived free for 13 years . Now he's finally in jail. They prosecuted the Wall Street crooks. Some are dead, some behind bars. Raines left the Fannie/Freddie debacle in 2004 with $100,000,000 in his wallet. Get him back and put him in handcuffs and an orange suit.

P.S. Sadly, they definitely won't do it if Barry gets elected. McCain may not do it either.

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

As for the US itself, it

As for the US itself, it has not yet exhausted its policy arsenal. It can escalate further up the nuclear ladder. The Fed can cut interest rates from 2pc to zero. If that fails, it can let rip with the mass purchase of US debt.

“The US government has a technology, called a printing press,” said Fed chief Ben Bernanke in November 2002. (His helicopter speech).

In extremis, the Treasury/Fed can swoop into any market to shore up asset prices. They can buy Florida property. They can even buy SUV guzzlers from the car lots in Detroit, and mangle them in scrap yards. As Bernanke put it, the Fed can “expand the menu of assets that it buys.”

Here lies both the peril and a devious silver lining.  If the fed uses the nuclear option of printing money, we risk devaluing the dollar to the Mexican Peso via inflation not seen since the Great Depression in Germany after WWI.  If they do that, everyone will pull money out of the banks to purchase hard assets to preserve the value of their money but in the process cause ALL of the Banks to collapse at once.  The silver lining, that $4 trillion held by foreigners, in order to inject this money into the world economy, the Treasury would by back ALL bonds held by foreigners thus erasing half the national debt. Perverse isn't it?

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

..the dollar has gained

..the dollar has gained strength..  not sure it helps a twit in this environment..  it's all very confusing and frieghtful..  but I'm afraid necessary.  We need to Pray! 

The dollar's strength is

The dollar's strength is due to the relative weakness of the European economic system and Euro.  The dollar looks strong because the Euro is devaluing at a faster pace.  Add to this the price of oil has dropped significantly, remember in the world economy both the dollar and oil are fungible and therefore oil = dollar.  When oil costs less dollars, the dollar in essence gets stronger.  The silver lining for the US is the Euro is not really fungalble thus has no carrying capacity thus can not retain it's value.  The Euro is a fiction and now those who hold Euros will either end up with nothing or the European Union will have to intervene massively in a coordinated fashion.

The hidden weapon of the Dollar is the ability to buy back bonds that are denominated in dollars.  A bond is essentially a dollar with interest. IF the Treasury has it's act together it won't willy nilly print money to pump through the banks but exchange dollars for bonds.

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

thanks, dscott.. 

thanks, dscott..  appreciate the insight. 

Ultimately...

...and, ultimately, if you want to purchase a ticket to the world's most vibrant, dynamic economy (even now, because I suspect even in these troubled times there are a bunch of great ideas lurking in the brains of entrepreneurs), you get dollars, not euros.

Whoever casts a vote for Obama-Biden is nothing more than a common thief.  Whoever fails to vote against them is nothing more than a moral coward.

Crash may not be preventable

Not only a crash in the world wide economic markets may not be preventable but a loss of confidence in worldwide currency markets may not be far behind. Currency is the agreed upon fiction that we all subscribe to. Money only has value because we believe it has value. No matter what anyone says about GDP or a net worth of something or another no modern money has any backing except the good faith of those that use it.

The MSM are as responsible for this mess as any one else is. The nuts and bolts of this meltdown ave been know for quite a while. I know I have been aware of this house of cards for at least 3 years. I found out by piecing together a lot of different facts. The MSM did not do the job they are supposed to do and be our watchdog. The story was too dull, too hard to understand blah blah blah.

Nothing in the bailout legislation passed has any provisions to correct the underlying problems and in fact the very bailout legislation will in all likelyhood extend the pain and recovery.

I wish I was smart enough to know what to do. The only thing I am fairly sure of is the actions taken so far are little more than a bandaid. We have committed huge amounts of our treasury to prop up a system that has so many systemic problems that a collapse and re-build may be the only realistic solution.

Panic

What we are witnessing in the global stock market sell-off is a classic Panic, (as in the Panic of 1873, which led to a short and severe economic downturn).  I am hoping that this is the beginning of a bottoming process that is preceded by the "Sell Everything" type of panic that is common in market bottoms.

There is no doubt we are in for a slow down.  The leveredged economy where consumers borrow beyond their means to buy things they don't need had to end some day.  But America has seen fantastic economies in the past that were not based on borrowed money.  Those days will return, unless our government gets too involved in the free market process.

sorrowful sequence

Your home lost at least 20% in value. Congress imposes the largest tax increase in the history of the world. California and soon Massachesetts ie: (BARNEY FRANK),New Jersey ie:(CORZINE) and other Blue states will be dipping into that federal pot to pay of the deficet they they have with their unions. IF they pay it back, guess where they'll get the money to pay it back? You guessed it, they'll raise your state taxes. Do you get the feeling that you're in the middle of a circular firing squad? If you're retired like me at the age of 70 where is our make up time? To add insult to injury, IRA rules require me to sell into this falling market to satisfy the RMD rule. Is there anyone out there doesn't agree that we should VOTE EVERY INCUMBENT OUT?

 

bill

bill,

RMD should be ceased immediately. Forcing people to sell assets so that the IRS can get taxes is and has been an absurd concept.  ns

Bill -I will get a little picky----

I would not vote out Phil Gingrey or Tom Price from Georgia. They are fantastic. There may be a few more in DC, but I don't know their names.

I too must sell in this market. (I am 75.). I guess I should be grateful that I have so little to sell after AIG cost me $7000.

Next thing I expect to hear--a reduction in SS payments.

Noel--thank you--!

 

Bill a big PS--here in Georgia, there is no state tax on SS and the first $30,000 of retirement income. I do not know how long that will last with falling revenues, but it is here now. (And we are a RED state, on top of that.)

I agree with your comments,

I agree with your comments, billb, except the part about your home losing 20% of it's value.  Depending on where your house is, the peak in value for homes in 2006 and 2007 will be very similar to the value of NASDAQ in 1999 and early 2000.  I don't think we'll see those home prices for a long, long time.

A three bedroom, one and one-half bath, in suburban California was never worth one million dollars.

Housing prices were artificially escalated because of our government.  The free market, if left alone, would never value homes at those lofty levels.  ANYTHING the governemnt gets involved in ends up costing more money then if left alone.  Think healthcare and college as the two prime examples of this.

Your house artificially ran up in value becaues of:

1.  No money down home purchases implicitly guaranteed by the government, (FNMA and FHLMC).

2.  Total disregard for credit scoring and income verification encouraged by Fair Housing laws.

3.  Super low interest rates that allowed people to be deceived into thinking that they could afford the monthly payments on a home they had no business buying.

Investors would never buy these mortgages if they were not guaranteed by our government.  These mortgages should never have been made, and your home should never have been valued at that atificial top.  (And don't beat yourself up and think that you should have "sold" at that artificial top.  No one is that good.........although some people are that lucky!)

Sounds good to me!

"VOTE EVERY INCUMBENT OUT"

Yep. Even though my lock-step, too-long-in-DC, liberal Dem representative voted (shockingly) against the bail-out, every single one of them should go. Maybe that will send the messsage that we are not going to continue to sit still for this kind of BS anymore. Rock their safe little world for them for a change.

Vote 'em all out and start fresh.

 

"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré

billb

same age and the same mindset! dump them and start from scratch.

American Carol -$3.8

American Carol -$3.8 million

C'mon conservatives! Where were you this weekend!

C'mon Bal

Religulous - $3.5 mil - in release 5 days.

American Carol - $3.8 mil - in release 3 days.

 

Maher's movie doesn't

Maher's movie doesn't interest me at all. BUT...Religulous was showing on 1/3 less screens. :-)

Hmm...

Interested you enough to check though, didn't it?

Anyway, my old man can take your old man!   >;^)

 

"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré

Haha. I definitely wanted

Haha. I definitely wanted to see how it did because often posters here will decry how out of touch Hollywood is and that if they just made right-leaning movies they'd be more successful.

Well,

Care to define "right-leaning movies?" Seems like a pretty fluid definition. Right-leaning values? Right-leaning opinion? I mean, are we talking "Saving Private Ryan," or "Fahrenheit 911?"

According to CA, this isn't much of a movie, it seems he's actually seen it. But it's probably handy to point to as a failure of "right-leaning movies" made by a left-leaning industry.

Based, of course, on one movie over one weekend. Sounds like conclusive evidence to me.

 

"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré

Yeah, Bal.  And posters

Yeah, Bal.  And posters here are right.  Hollywood is "out of touch" in that they have an activist Leftist/humanist/anti-American slant to them which  reflects only one narrow segment of the public. 

Many years ago, when Michael Medved was on that movie review show, he wrote an article for Readers Digest, called Hollywood Hates Religion, in which he documented the fact that family oriented, traditional (i.e. conservative) value-based films do better at the box office than the hedonistic, decadent crap which is so praised by the critics.

Last Temptation of Christ - 1988, grossed $8.4 million US

The Passion of the Christ - 2004, grossed $370 million US

: )

So...why only 3.8 million

So...why only 3.8 million this past weekend?

That's pretty obvious- we're

That's pretty obvious- we're all broke now.

SoL,

Good point. I rarely spend the $20 or so it costs to see a movie in theaters anymore, but I may with this one. But bal is so desperate to make some kind of hay, he wants to crow about the opening weekend not busting B.O. records. Like it matters in any way.

Seems to me there's a lot more going on than movie openings.

 

"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré

Three little words:

Beverly Hills Chihuahua

nit pick all you want Bal. I'll concede your point when the final numbers come in in your favor.

When will that be?

When will that be?

 " So...why only 3.8

 "
So...why only 3.8 million this past weekend?"

Because the movie sucked and didn't appeal to people. Believing that right-leaning, America loving movies would do better doesn't mean every one of them will do well. There are no absolutes. You still have to make a decent movie, no matter what the theme is.

I didn't go see this movie because the last 2-3 in this genre I have seen were bad....really bad. For $8.00, I'd rather not take the risk that this one is too. It looks like I was right.

Obama's Economic plan: more taxes, more spending, more regulation. Prosperity here we come.

»→ Religulous

No way can "American Carol" be measured as a referendum on Hollywood's leftist slant.

Great hype . . . Bad movie.

You saw all the gags in the commercials.  Slap Michael Moore again. . . so funny, for the 50th time.

"John McCain has not talked about my Muslim Faith" - Barack Hussein Obama

CA,

Saw it, huh? Too bad, I was hoping there was more to it than the commercials.

Not that I think I'd ever get tired of seeing MM get slapped...  ;^)

 

"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré

Indy Joe... A few closed

Indy Joe...

A few closed fists to the head would have been funnier. Well, for me anyway.

Fuhrer Obama Hitler Youth

 

 

Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/  

CT,

Think they would have had any more effect, though?

 

"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré

Well, for me maybe. Keep

Well, for me maybe.

Keep in mind that I have a dis-like for M. Moore that borders on hatred. I hate it when anti-Americans make money off of Americans by downing America!

Fuhrer Obama Hitler Youth

 

 

Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/  

CT,

That's what I meant; would they have more of an effect on Moore?

I agree with your assessment in general, and Moore in particular. "Waste of oxygen" is a phrase that comes to mind.

 

"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré

»→ Yeah, I seen it

Wish I could say it anin't so, Joe.  Couple of moments of inspiration, but not worth the money.

I think maybe the only Hollywood type capable of making the great American movie these days may be Mel Gibson. 

"John McCain has not talked about my Muslim Faith" - Barack Hussein Obama

CA,

"I think maybe the only Hollywood type capable of making the great American movie these days may be Mel Gibson."

Kind of sad that it takes someone from the outside to see America, if you're right. Kind of like de Toqueville.

 

"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré

I thought it was a decent

I thought it was a decent movie despite the slapstick.  If I want slapstick I'll watch some old Three Stooges clips.

People need to view this movie in context and not think of it as Caddy Shack or something like that.

I would recommend this movie to anyone who is conservative, but keep in mind it's a political statement and not 100% entertainment.

»→ KingFish

An admonition to "view this movie in context" could easily be read as "this movie is a dog"

"John McCain has not talked about my Muslim Faith" - Barack Hussein Obama

Far from "a dog".  I've

Far from "a dog".  I've seen plenty of bow-wow movies and this wasn't one of them.  My threshold was that it wasn't as terrible as the MSM news parody that was on FOX a couple of years ago.  Now that was a dog.

»→ Not a dog

It's just that "context" comment reminded me of the blind date buildup.

"She's got a great personality

"John McCain has not talked about my Muslim Faith" - Barack Hussein Obama

Well, Kingfish,

"keep in mind it's a political statement and not 100% entertainment." Sounds like good advice. For a lot of movies, CTTOI.

That makes you 1 in 3, since CT and CA both seem to have seen it. But that's better than a goose-egg.

 

"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré

agreed Cool Arrow

I love watching conservative movies, but *my God* American Carol was a terrible movie. All the funny parts were in the previews. Jouvenile humor, incoherent plot, choppy directing, a lot more profanity than I expected.

If American Carol bombs it won't be a referendum on conservative movies as much as a rejection of badly-made conservative movies.

Go see Fireproof. Much more family friendly and a lot better quality.  

»→ Thanks, candance

My daughter said "This movie doesn't count.  You owe me another night out"

I readily agreed. 

"John McCain has not talked about my Muslim Faith" - Barack Hussein Obama

1/3 fewer screens? 

1/3 fewer screens?  Hmmmm....  Where were they?  What was the population concentration in the areas where it was released as compared to American Carol?  What size were the theaters?  How many seats?  

I wonder if fewer theaters are taking that film because they don't see it as a worthy investment....

I guess we'll have to wait and see.

 

Ease up, there, mattm,

The only details relevant are the ones that make "Religulous" look better than "American Carol."

Didn't you get the memo? Or are you a bigot?   ;^)

 

"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré

Didn't you get the

Didn't you get the memo? Or are you a bigot?   ;^)

Both, I guess... : )

If you're a bigot, you're

If you're a bigot, you're not on the list to get the memo.  ;^)

Okay, I'm done. I think.

 

"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré

Don't worry, bal, we'll see it

I never see a movie on opening weekend. Well, unless my boy insists, ;^). I don't schedule my life around stuff like that.

It'll be there tomorrow. Longer than Religulous, anyway.

 

"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré

October 17... W...any predictions on opening weekend?

balboa,

Whadda ya think? 

$2 million? right there with "Nixon"

$5 million? Hmmm..."JFK"

$10 million? more like the "American President"

$25 million? higher than "Farenheit 9/11" and "Forrest Gump".

$50 million? on par with "Independence Day"

$75 million? less than "The Passion of the Christ."

It's supposedly a comedy. So, maybe in the $10 million range...

Ubercon

I think most Conservatives

I think most Conservatives were dragged to see Nights in Rodanthe instead.

Oh, the horror. *shudders*

 

Did you see Beverly Hills Chihuahua over the weekend, Bal? A classic in the making, that one.

Plus, who has time to go to the movies these days, in the middle of football season?

Did you see Beverly Hills

Did you see Beverly Hills Chihuahua over the weekend, Bal? A classic in the making, that one - You mean in the vein of Plan 9 from Outer Space, a film so bad it has to be seen?  It was pretty stupid to say teh least.  Th only reason I saw it was my wife wanted to see it.  Of course I thought Babe sucked too.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

You saw it,

You saw it, Dan!

Amazing!

Rog,

Let's start a pool; how many Oscar noms for Beverly Hills Chihuahua?

Just in time for Columbus Day!  ;^)

 

"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré

Roger

Nicholas Sparks lives in New Bern along the Trent River which is not too far from here. I have never seen the man around town. I have never read his books. Now my wife-that's another story.

I do know that he started a Catholic high school here a couple years ago after he had a falling out with St. Paul's Catholic School.

 

Oh, Rog! Nights in

Oh, Rog! Nights in Rodanthe? Really? I love Diane Lane, but...ugh.

I wish I could've been in the meeting when Beverly Hills Chihuahua was pitched.

"Hey, remember, like, 12 years ago when everyone loved that Taco Bell chihuahua? Well, we thought it'd be a _gas_ to cash in on that cachet now!"

Our gov't going

Our gov't going socialist-kleptocrat will just scare more investors out of the market. 

Unintended consequences.

Some dimwit on the radio

Some dimwit on the radio just called this the "Bush Bail-Out" - good grief!  This is about as much Bush's bail-out as the $126,000 Obama made off of Fannie Mae is legitimate investment income.

My house is nearly paid off, my retirement is practically guaranteed, my job is very secure, so I don't care if the market tanks.  I hope a bunch of dirt-bags like Obama, Dodd, Frank, Raines, Buffet all lose their shirts, and some of them take a 1929 swan dive off the top of an office building. 

But sadly, the wrong people will get blamed for this, the innocent will suffer and the country will be FDR'ed again and all the efforts and sacrifices we made since 1945 to combat and defeat Communism will have been in vain.

NYR

Hockey season started :D

Is everybody paying attention???

Notice how the $700 billion "bail-out bill" has made littel difference?

The real issue was are we going to have bank failures and a credit crisis for 8 months or so with inflation at 4-5% or are we going to have the bank faliures and credit crisis for 2-4 years with inflation at 7-10%. Unfortunately, the Senate and the House voted for the later instead of doing nothing and accepting the former. 

You want change? Give me a dollar.

»→ On The Waterfront

John McCain:

You don't understand. I coulda had class. I coulda been President. I coulda
been somebody, instead of a porker, which is what I am, let's face it.

I coulda stood up to the whole lot of 'em and said "The American people don't deserve this big fat butt burrito you're tryin' to shove down their throats.

McCain would look a hell of a lot more noble today if he'd distanced himself from both Obama and President Bush, and chosen to vote down creation of the biggest slush fund ever created. 

Changing genre now, it's time for McCain to find that "surrender to the Indians for retribution" moment.

"John McCain has not talked about my Muslim Faith" - Barack Hussein Obama

It's too late for him to

It's too late for him to turn back now, McCain doesn't do that kind of thing anyway, without going back on it again when he thinks nobody is watching/listening....even if it is in little incremental steps... example illegal immigration.

How's that Bail-Out working for ya' John?

Something this horrendous done in congress in one week basically...

Oil self-dependence here...30+ yrs. and still waiting.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

»→ My hope

I'm thinking it's time for Sarah Palin to step off the Reservation and start saying some things McCain doesn't agree with.  Go populist.  Take on Immigration, What the heck, she was nefver for the bailout anyway.

Throw the Senator under the bus.

"John McCain has not talked about my Muslim Faith" - Barack Hussein Obama

Points Palin should hit on

I think it's important to note that most, if not all of this information is lacking from the Obama camp.

I believe these items should be on the table and brought forth from Palin.

1. Occidental College records — Not released
2. Columbia College records — Not released
3. Columbia Thesis paper — ‘not available’
4. Harvard College records — Not released
5. Selective Service Registration — Not released
6. Illinois State Senate schedule — ‘not available’
7. Law practice client list — Not released
8. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate — Not released
9. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth — Not released
10. Harvard Law Review articles published — None
11. University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
12. His Record of baptism– Not released or ‘not available’
13. His Illinois State Senate records–’not available’

 

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it"-Aristotle

GForce... #13 seems a bit

GForce...

#13 seems a bit strange considering it should be public record. Any comment?

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I would say the same about

I would say the same about #6, CT. Serving the public, right?

 

"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré

#6 got right by me,

#6 got right by me, thanks!

This list should make people wonder what the hell Obama is hiding, but in this day and age of 'out of sight, out of mind' mentallity not many seem to care.

He's black and gives a great speech, so he has to be the Messiah. Liberal ignorance at it's best.  Fuhrer Obama Hitler Youth

 

 

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