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Vice Presidential Debate ThreadWho will win tonight's vice presidential debate? Will openly liberal moderator Gwen Ifill be fair to GOP candidate Sarah Palin? Tune in via web or TV starting at 9pm ET to find out. Post your comments and observations on the questions here or, if you are a registered NewsBusters member, join our live discussion. Update 22:10. Live chat was bogging down the server. It's disabled temporarily. 
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Before it starts, FYI
October 2, 2008 - 19:54 ET by ZachJonesIsHomeLarry Sinclair is continuing to get his story out on Sen.
Obama’s campaign trail. Mr. Sinclair is
dogging the Senator at Grand Rapids today asking the Senator where is was and
what was he doing on the dates that Larry says that he and Sen. Obama were
doing cocaine and having consensual gay sex.
Everyone needs to stay tuned to Mr. Sinclair’s most excellent adventure
trying to break through the media’s wall of See No Obama Scandals, Hear No
Obama Scandals, Speak No Obama Scandals.
Go to: http://larrysinclair-0926.blogspot.com/
to keep up Larry’s assault on media bias and Sen. Obama’s “fairy tales” that he
is telling America.
(To quote President Clinton)
zachjonesishome.wordpress.com
Man, that guy is brave.
October 2, 2008 - 21:45 ET by FishFace222Man, that guy is brave. He just might end up next to Hoffa.
»→ Hoffa
October 2, 2008 - 21:51 ET by Cool ArrowObama has a bracelet. Does Larry have a . . . never mind
Kill Bill II - Stop the bailout
Debate results
October 3, 2008 - 00:50 ET by wdhorning: McCain Obama Palin Biden
CNN 30317 73250 39130 107527
FoxNews 73800 15300 899343 123178
TOTALS 104117 88550 884864 230705
% 54 46 79 21
poll time: 12:30 12:30 11:30 11:30
observations:
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McCain wins debate over Obama by 8% between both networks.
Palin wins debate over Biden by 58% between both networks.
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Palin did a "heck of a lot" better than McCain in debating.
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It looks CNN had an increase for Palin-Biden debate over McCain-Obama, but it looks like FoxNews had a huge jump! There is no way to say why this large a jump occured without more data. If it is due to larger increase in women viewers to watch Sarah Palin, then could it be that an overwhelmingly large number of women prefer FoxNews over CNN by a wide margin? Could it be that CNN irritates women? Could in be that CNN is not in touch with women's issues? Of course it could be that Democrat women just tuned out altogether. But if the Biden number is larger too, then more Democrats must have watched too.
Listening and Reading
October 2, 2008 - 19:54 ET by Hooterville DenizenI'm going to listen to the debate and read comments here. Kind of like a play-by-play from people other than the MSM.
By the way, to steal from the song - "Mama, don't like your children grow up to be journalists."
I want to see Biden use the word"experience."
October 2, 2008 - 20:03 ET by superconSarah Palin certainly doesn't have the experience that the Democrats have and I hope she never does.
I don't want her to have the experience of:
1.Nancy Pelosi's experience of running a % 9 approval rated Congress.
2.Barney Frank and all the experience he had overseeing FannieMae and FreddieMac.
3.John Murtha's experience of supporting the troops by calling them "blood thirsty killers".
4.Harry Reid's experience on the war in Iraq when he declared it lost.
5.Chris Dodd's experience of taking a sweetheart loan while he is the Chairman of the Senate Banking Committee.
6.Eliot Spitzer's experience of frequenting prostitutes as Governor of New York.
7.Barack Obama's experience of taking a $300,000 bribe from Tony Rezko so he could buy a mansion.
8.Congress's experience of denying America access to it's own oil resource while gas prices soar.
9.Diane Feinstein's experience of stepping down from the Senate Military Construction Appropriations Subcommittee after a report linked her votes to the financial
well-being of her husband's companies, which received billions of
dollars worth of military construction contracts she approved.
10.The experience of stuffing $90,000 dollars in your freezer like Congressman William Jefferson.
It they call all that experience then I pray to God Sarah doesn't have any of it.This is the worst bunch of arrogant self-serving,lying and backstabbing corrupt and self important Democrats I have ever seen.If they ever get control of all three branches of government then all of us are going to have some experience to.The experience of having our pockets picked and our values destroyed like you have never experienced.
That's an experience I don't need.
Victory in Iraq.
Liberals suck.
McCain for Preznint.
I'm not gonna watch Cnn but,
October 2, 2008 - 20:04 ET by Paul GI'm not gonna watch Cnn but, they have that polling doo hickey dial thing with 1/3/R 1/3 D and 1/3 I from what ive seen on other sites I means mostly D
"Can I call you Joe?" Aw,
October 2, 2008 - 20:07 ET by balboa"Can I call you Joe?"
Aw, that's adorable. She really is like us.
whoa joe! sloow down!
October 2, 2008 - 20:09 ET by xyzzypoofswhat is he saying, I cannot understand this speed babbling
what should she say?!?
October 2, 2008 - 20:11 ET by porpoiseboyhow about "can i call you "pinnochio"...liar boy!"
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.
sweat
October 2, 2008 - 20:13 ET by xyzzypoofs"Joe" is starting to sweat
I think she's going to say
October 2, 2008 - 20:17 ET by balboaI think she's going to say "darn tootin'" next.
actually she said
October 2, 2008 - 20:22 ET by porpoiseboy"i may not give the answer the way the moderator wants to hear it, but i am going to talk directly to the american people"......nice!! and i like that she calls him "joe" and refers to obama as "barack"...shows a nice lack of respect for them, sneaky, but nice!
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.
"Gosh, I'm just a Washington
October 2, 2008 - 21:11 ET by balboa"Gosh, I'm just a Washington outsider."
Ugh...I'm gonna throw up. Next time they show her, she's going to be whittling something out of wood while sitting in a rocking chair.
please stop saying "Mavericks"
October 2, 2008 - 21:16 ET by xyzzypoofsthat unfortunately sounds lackadaisical and reckless
we want an outsider
October 2, 2008 - 21:18 ET by porpoiseboywhat she said was that being an outsider she didn't understand why in the belt they say they are for something then they say they are against it. bravo! she said if you are for something...say it and then explain your position to the people. bravo
i am not sure where you are from...but what's wrong with whittling and sitting in a rocking chair? oh...i forgot you LOVE the liberal elitists who talk alot and do nothing.
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.
There's nothing wrong with
October 2, 2008 - 21:20 ET by balboaThere's nothing wrong with whittling or sitting in a rocking chair, but she's just laying on this whole act a bit thick. It sounds phony.
And I'm from a small town in Indiana.
small town indiana baalboa
October 2, 2008 - 21:25 ET by porpoiseboywhy is it you think it is put on? she is from a small town. that's real knucklehead! biden has been in the belt for over half his life. his playing up small town blue collar roots is the one that seems disingenuous pally. i think you have come to expect and can't think of politicians as anything but elitist and disingenuos so you expect her to be the same thing....she's not. she's the real deal...biden's not.
oh no....now he's talking about his wife and daughter dying...wonder why he left out the drunk driving conspiracy theory this time?
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.
I think it used to be
October 2, 2008 - 21:28 ET by balboaI think it used to be genuine. Here it seems to be used for effect.
Need a barf bag Bal
October 2, 2008 - 21:44 ET by general companyDont you have some thowing up to do Bal
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Bal, you're a perfect example
October 2, 2008 - 22:58 ET by Indiana Joeof "damned if you do, damned if you don't." What has the media, the Obama campaign and just about everyone else been beating Palin up about for the last month, huh?
Now, let's take your "not me" outrage as a given, okay? Otherwise, all the folks I mention have been dissing Governor Palin for being a small-town mayor, a huntress, a "hockey-mom," and every other code-word for a "yokel" you can think of. But now, they (and you) realize that people want someone they can identify with more than the usual career politicians. They like the "outsider" aspect of her. It's working for her! Mayday, Mayday!
So, naturally, you now have to tear down the carefully-built perception of her that you (not you personally, of course) yourselves (except you) created.
I love the smell of irony in the evening! >;^)
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
I'm From a Small Town In Indiana, Too
October 2, 2008 - 21:26 ET by HoosierEm............and she is just what we need in this country - a Washington outsider.
Democrats never met a tax dollar they didn't like.
Thank goodness Hoosier
October 2, 2008 - 21:45 ET by general company"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Another Hoosier heard from!
October 2, 2008 - 22:59 ET by Indiana JoeI think RCP can take us out of the "toss-up" column.
;^)
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
I Miss Indiana
October 2, 2008 - 23:09 ET by HoosierEmWhere in Indiana are all the Hoosiers here from? I'm from the north.
Gee, isn't she? I heard
October 2, 2008 - 22:48 ET by Indiana JoeGee, isn't she? I heard tell she's too provincial and unknowledgeable to ever be a Washington insider.
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
al and dan
October 2, 2008 - 22:44 ET by jasinGore pulled that on Quayle in their debate. "Dan; can I call you Dan?
maybe it was payback
Palin
October 2, 2008 - 20:13 ET by pwozPalin looks a little nervous, but she's lookin' good!
Palins got a lot of....
October 2, 2008 - 20:17 ET by connmanblah blah blah going on!!
No way! No how! Nobama! Keep the change! ...Sen. Clinton
Yeah... but she looks hot.
October 2, 2008 - 20:26 ET by superconThat's a good looking woman.
Victory in Iraq.
Liberals suck.
McCain for Preznint.
Did Obama know about the
October 2, 2008 - 20:16 ET by Scuba DudeDid Obama know about the sub prime crisis because him and ACORN had a hand in CREATING IT!!!!!
Obama?
October 2, 2008 - 20:17 ET by xyzzypoofsObama warned about the subprime mortgage crisis? What, was he having trouble getting more bad loans organized for his community and was already wanting the taxpayers to ante up some more $$$ way back then?
ACORN Governor
October 2, 2008 - 20:19 ET by connmanACORN!!!
No way! No how! Nobama! Keep the change! ...Sen. Clinton
Gov. Palin, PLEASE
October 2, 2008 - 20:20 ET by Scuba DudeGov. Palin,
PLEASE mention that the 95% Obama says he will cut taxes DOES NOT EXIST. Most of that 95% DOES NOT PAY TAXES!!!!
TAX CUT = WELFARE
October 2, 2008 - 20:37 ET by Sergeant ROCKAnother one that Palin is letting that doofuss off the hook for.
PALIN/McCain 2008
What is it with 95%? Is
October 2, 2008 - 21:48 ET by FishFace222What is it with 95%? Is everything Joe mentions 95%?
How does that commercial go--90% of statistics are made up
half the time.
Can't remember the commercial but that sounds like Biden tonight.
Not a commercial...
October 2, 2008 - 23:01 ET by Indiana Joebut I remember a line from some show, something like:
"Statistics can say whatever you want, 76% of people know that."
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
She is kicking his ass so
October 2, 2008 - 20:22 ET by ApacheShe is kicking his ass so far. I think she played Couric.
Palin is a better speaker
October 2, 2008 - 20:25 ET by NetizenCainPalin is a better speaker but at times she just seems a bit out of her league. I just wish she had a few more years under her belt to make her more experienced up on the podium.
Biden is just dour/sour and babbling with numbers and percentages... this confuses my simple red state brain.
Your right NC
October 2, 2008 - 21:47 ET by general companyA few more years she would be stomping him with those High Heels
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
frank luntz focus group
October 2, 2008 - 21:53 ET by porpoiseboythe evenly divided focus group put together by frank luntz just now almost unanimously says palin killed it. the people have spoken....there was only one who went from mcain to albomba ....the rest who changed their minds went from albomba to mcain. there was about an 80% shift to mccain among those who shifted.....NICE!
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.
NPR Radio Coverage
October 2, 2008 - 20:27 ET by BlueCat57I shut the radio off after less than 30 seconds! I couldn't listen to the lies and bias of the announcer. The first words out of her mouth were that Palin was losing ground after having trouble answering questions in the Gibson and other interviews. What a bunch of lies. Those issue have already been debunked here and elsewhere. I guess truth is no longer part of the definition of news or journalism. I'm going to find a group that is working to defund NPR and support them. The sooner the government cuts off funds to this joke of a "news" organization the better.
So the moderator cut Palin
October 2, 2008 - 20:28 ET by SmartypantsSo the moderator cut Palin off in the middle of a good point. She has yet to interrupt Biden at any time.
typical liberal lack of math skills
October 2, 2008 - 20:33 ET by xyzzypoofs$600 billion dollars means nothing other than that consumers bought a lot of gas. What was the profit % you misdirecting sob?
Who cares about the profit
October 2, 2008 - 23:07 ET by dmntd1Who cares about the profit margin, when they probably paid that much in taxes too. Add in the cap-gains taxes from investors and how much MORE was paid in taxes from oil revenues?!?
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy." - Winston Churchill
Blowing it
October 2, 2008 - 20:33 ET by Sergeant ROCKSo far, failed to nail democRATS for the Fannie and Freddie fiasco when given the opportunity.
And, after Biden shared a story about filling up his car at the *ahem* local gas station, she didn't ask him why then Obama siad he would have liked to see higher gas prices at a slower rate than all at once.
This is the McCain nice strategy, which will fail. Ask Bob Dole.
* Another missed opportunity on the sub-prime mortgages.
PALIN/McCain 2008
she called him
October 2, 2008 - 20:41 ET by porpoiseboyobiden....beautiful !! i know it was a slip...but a beautiful one!
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.
okay i heard something i don't like from her
October 2, 2008 - 21:00 ET by porpoiseboyshe says NU-CUE-LAR....instead of NU-KLEE-ER just like bush....i hate it, but i can live with it.
oooo...oooo i just heard that joe biden is israel's best friend...( from him )that's news. oh, but he is also a friend of hezballah...wonder how that works?!?!
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.
Flipper,
October 2, 2008 - 23:12 ET by Indiana Joe"wonder how that works?"
Three words:
Different poker nights.
:^D
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
I agree
October 2, 2008 - 22:22 ET by ScandimanI hate to say it, but I argree! McCain PROMISED that he would name names, and Palin had a chance to hit one out of the ballpark by mentioning the culpability Obama has to the Fanny/Freddy fiasco. It just frustrates me the way McCain/Palin lack the courage to call it like it is on this issue. Makes me really wish the ticket was Romney/Palin instead of Dole/Palin..........er McCain/Palin.
Scandiman,
October 2, 2008 - 23:15 ET by Indiana JoeWell, if worse comes to worst...
Romney/Palin 2012 (?)
If there's anything left, that is...
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
Why don't people realize
October 2, 2008 - 20:34 ET by Scuba DudeWhy don't people realize that a windfall profit tax is nothing more than punishing a company for being sucessful.
windfall profits
October 2, 2008 - 20:49 ET by porpoiseboybecause people won't educate themselves. btw, a state taxing certain profits make alot more sense because they have a vested interest NOT to tax to the point that it hurts the companies. AND alaska was only taxing product coming out of their ground...not taxing the companies profits as a whole. that is their right as a state where the product originates and who have issued the leases the companies.
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.
I do not like the windfall profit tax concept, but ...
October 3, 2008 - 07:12 ET by mom_roxObama/Biden want windfall profit taxes to go directly to the government coffers, while
Palin distributed those windfall profit taxes directly to the Alaskan citizens.
BIG DIFFERENCE
regarding Barack Obama's tax plan - I never received a job from a poor person.
Windfall Profits Tax Myth
October 2, 2008 - 22:15 ET by PopularTechA windfall tax will not solve our energy crisis (The Daily Telegraph, UK)
Don't fall for a "windfall" profits tax (David Kreutzer, Ph.D. Economics)
Economic Amnesia: The Case against Oil Price Controls and Windfall Profit Taxes (Cato Institute)
Profits Do Not Cause High Prices (William L. Anderson, Ph.D. Professor of Economics)
Windfall Profit Nonsense: We Have An Energy Policy - It's Called The Free Market (John Stossel, 20/20)
Windfall Profits Tax Would Hardly Be Revenue Gusher (Cato Institute)
This whole "McCain suspended
October 2, 2008 - 20:34 ET by balboaThis whole "McCain suspended his campaign" stuff is nonsense. He didn't even go back to Washington for 22 hours.
Yes, balboa, because Obama
October 2, 2008 - 20:41 ET by SmartypantsYes, balboa, because Obama refused to postpone the debate. Tell the whole story and you'll get more respect. McCain wanted to postpone; Obama didn't.
So what happens if one
October 2, 2008 - 20:44 ET by balboaSo what happens if one candidate wants to debate and another doesn't?
And when did McCain come to this decision?
What happens is what
October 2, 2008 - 20:48 ET by SmartypantsWhat happens is what happened.
What decision are you referring to that McCain came to?
What happens is what
October 2, 2008 - 20:48 ET by SmartypantsWhat happens is what happened.
What decision are you referring to that McCain came to?
Barack wouldn't postpone
October 2, 2008 - 20:45 ET by xyzzypoofsBarack wouldn't postpone because he was afraid he would forget the lines he had memorized (or would have to learn some new ones)
And don't forget, Sen.
October 2, 2008 - 20:48 ET by Scuba DudeAnd don't forget, Sen. McCain wanted more town hall meetings between him and Obama, but Obama like the chicken he is said no. Maybe Sen. McCain could have stayed and help out with the economic crisis if they had those meetings. But Obama like the petulant child he is prevented that.
So, a campaign is only
October 2, 2008 - 20:46 ET by ckc1227So, a campaign is only suspended once you step foot in Washington? Wow, who knew?
Great point.
October 2, 2008 - 21:24 ET by SmartypantsGreat point.
Yes, but they built it up as
October 2, 2008 - 21:27 ET by balboaYes, but they built it up as "McCain's gotta get back to Washington as soon as possible to save the economy!"
But first...let's have an interview with Katie...
Are you whinning?
October 2, 2008 - 22:01 ET by general companySure sounds like it
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
balbao
October 2, 2008 - 22:04 ET by well99Yea John is like that.Shoot he even turned down a chance for a early release as a pow.Must of been for the votes
I am so sick of these
October 2, 2008 - 20:44 ET by ApacheI am so sick of these morons pretending to have a science degree and preaching their religion of global warming.
She's not doing good
October 2, 2008 - 21:03 ET by JJVShe seems just like Obama did in the first Presidential debate...over-rehearsed and like she's giving good studied oral answers on part two of a civics test. She's not defending McCain strong, and she's not going back at him on the ridiculous points he's making like "John McCain voted agains the troops". The best answer for that from a true outsider would be "Why is it you guys can't pass a bill without tacking on all this other stuff?"
So JJV
October 2, 2008 - 21:20 ET by connmanDou you think this means that the media will give her the victory?
No way! No how! Nobama! Keep the change! ...Sen. Clinton
Victory for Palin?
October 2, 2008 - 21:29 ET by JJVBoy I hope so, but I don't see it. I thought Obama was totally outclassed and was shocked to see the focus group reaction. Especially because I watched it with my Democrat father in law, and he saw it the same way I did.
In the opening moments of
October 2, 2008 - 21:12 ET by SumricaIn the opening moments of the debate, the moderator said something like...
"Time is up. We're going to have to move along, Dear."
Please, tell me I didn't hear outright condescension.
A Washington outsider,
October 2, 2008 - 21:13 ET by ripke35A Washington outsider, that's the best reason to vote for a McCain/Palin ticket.
I think she is holding her
October 2, 2008 - 21:15 ET by USA4freedomI think she is holding her own.
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
I do hate the fact that she
October 2, 2008 - 21:22 ET by USA4freedomI do hate the fact that she has to parrot Mc Cain’s ideas, but all in all I think that she is doing ok.
The MSM will hate her because she does not sound very elitist. But I think that public will like her.
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Say is ain't so JOE
October 2, 2008 - 21:16 ET by upcountrywaterdang the chat down, wow a hunderd of us were on at one time!!
CLIMATE CRISIS
IranianUranium
Sheriff Sarah has come to town tonight!
October 2, 2008 - 21:18 ET by CTNO OBAMUNISTS IN 2008
OBAMUNISTS?
October 2, 2008 - 21:28 ET by Sergeant ROCKHe he he.. that's a good one!
PALIN/McCain 2008
Chat started getting slower
October 2, 2008 - 21:18 ET by the strugglerChat started getting slower and sllooooweeer
If you turn down the sound....
October 2, 2008 - 21:24 ET by connmanshe really looks HOT!
No way! No how! Nobama! Keep the change! ...Sen. Clinton
Biden
October 2, 2008 - 21:33 ET by MaximusBraveheartBiden just now on McCain saying maverick he is not... blah blah. Complaining that McCain did not give everything away for free.
Unlimited welfare for everyone; just print the $. There's a plan Obama!
M-B
Interesting
October 2, 2008 - 21:21 ET by pbthinkerAs of this time, Palin is getting wound up. She looks OK, not great, but OK. Biden is right there, unlike his leader, with his foreign policy experience.
I was getting some really depressing e-mails after the first 1/2 hour, things are looking up right now.
I would have love to have had the mike, when Biden started talking about going to Home Depot and asking about John McCains proposals and how they're going to affect the average person. I can't imagine going down to my Home Depot and asking anyone there what they though about John McCain's proposals!!!
Democrats: Stuck on Stupid since 2000.
Biden at Home Depot???
October 2, 2008 - 22:21 ET by Secret ConservativeYeah, right. He's just trying to challenge Sarah's "regular person" credentials. Gee, do you wonder if the MSM will run over to the Home Depot in Wilmington to ask the clerks how often they see Biden in there - especially taking polls of the "regular guys?" And what was that coffee shop he mentioned on Main Street? Give me a break.
Bafoon
October 2, 2008 - 21:21 ET by the strugglerBiden keeps laughing. He's starting to look like an ass.Scratch starting.
Did Joe start to CRY????
October 2, 2008 - 21:26 ET by connmanThere's no crying in debates Joe!
No way! No how! Nobama! Keep the change! ...Sen. Clinton
I must admit...
October 2, 2008 - 21:55 ET by MightyMouththat moment had me ROFLOL!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
He did -- looks like he
October 2, 2008 - 22:04 ET by lotrHe did -- looks like he borrowed one from Hillary's playbook.
And Darkness and Decay and the Red Death held illimitable dominion over all. -- Edgar Allan Poe
Did Joe Start to Cry?
October 3, 2008 - 00:02 ET by livingfreeIt looked that way to me. Maybe a belch, ya think? She was great going against someone with 35yrs experience.
Livefree or die trying
Sarah Palin is mopping the floor with Biden.
October 2, 2008 - 21:24 ET by R D Helm-Dave
Fear makes people do weird things....it makes their brains stop working. - Dave Ramsey
My troll fuse length today: 0.5cm
Greed and Corruption on WALL Street????
October 2, 2008 - 21:28 ET by connmanHey Gov, how bout the Greed and Corruption in Washington???
No way! No how! Nobama! Keep the change! ...Sen. Clinton
Yeah, I got tired of that "Greed and Corruption...
October 2, 2008 - 22:00 ET by on-the-rockson Wall Street" line, too. It is OK to specify certain bad players, but not to do the broadbrush attacks against Wall Street as a whole.
But I get more tired of the "abject failure" line trotted out about the Bush Administration. It is going to take years for events to play themselves out before we can make that judgement.
I wouldn't even make that sort of comment about the Clinton Administration.
I feel that way, too.
October 2, 2008 - 22:08 ET by SmartypantsI feel that way, too. There is too much acceptance about everything in the Bush Administration being a failure, from the economy to Iraq. This is a ridiculous statement. The economy was fine for six or seven years of the Bush Administration, even with 9/11 and an ongoing war. It was in the last year or so that it started to falter (interestingly, after the Dems took over Congress). To call Bush's foreign policy and terrorism fight "abject failure" is astounding. Abject failure would be monthly terrorist attacks occurring on our own soil without resolution.
The problem is that McCain/Palin are in a catch-22 with regard to Bush. If they defend the policies they are seen as backing an unpopular president, which could be political disaster. They have to essentially defend the positions without personalizing it as a Bush policy, which is not always easy.
Greed is Good
October 2, 2008 - 22:16 E