Who will win tonight's vice presidential debate? Will openly liberal moderator Gwen Ifill be fair to GOP candidate Sarah Palin?
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Before it starts, FYI
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 20:54 ET by ZachJonesIsHomeLarry Sinclair is continuing to get his story out on Sen.
Obama’s campaign trail. Mr. Sinclair is
dogging the Senator at Grand Rapids today asking the Senator where is was and
what was he doing on the dates that Larry says that he and Sen. Obama were
doing cocaine and having consensual gay sex.
Everyone needs to stay tuned to Mr. Sinclair’s most excellent adventure
trying to break through the media’s wall of See No Obama Scandals, Hear No
Obama Scandals, Speak No Obama Scandals.
Go to: http://larrysinclair-0926.blogspot.com/
to keep up Larry’s assault on media bias and Sen. Obama’s “fairy tales” that he
is telling America.
(To quote President Clinton)
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Man, that guy is brave.
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:45 ET by FishFace222Man, that guy is brave. He just might end up next to Hoffa.
»→ Hoffa
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:51 ET by Cool ArrowObama has a bracelet. Does Larry have a . . . never mind
Kill Bill II - Stop the bailout
Debate results
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 01:50 ET by wdhorning: McCain Obama Palin Biden
CNN 30317 73250 39130 107527
FoxNews 73800 15300 899343 123178
TOTALS 104117 88550 884864 230705
% 54 46 79 21
poll time: 12:30 12:30 11:30 11:30
observations:
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McCain wins debate over Obama by 8% between both networks.
Palin wins debate over Biden by 58% between both networks.
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Palin did a "heck of a lot" better than McCain in debating.
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It looks CNN had an increase for Palin-Biden debate over McCain-Obama, but it looks like FoxNews had a huge jump! There is no way to say why this large a jump occured without more data. If it is due to larger increase in women viewers to watch Sarah Palin, then could it be that an overwhelmingly large number of women prefer FoxNews over CNN by a wide margin? Could it be that CNN irritates women? Could in be that CNN is not in touch with women's issues? Of course it could be that Democrat women just tuned out altogether. But if the Biden number is larger too, then more Democrats must have watched too.
Listening and Reading
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 20:54 ET by Hooterville DenizenI'm going to listen to the debate and read comments here. Kind of like a play-by-play from people other than the MSM.
By the way, to steal from the song - "Mama, don't like your children grow up to be journalists."
I want to see Biden use the word"experience."
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 21:03 ET by superconSarah Palin certainly doesn't have the experience that the Democrats have and I hope she never does.
I don't want her to have the experience of:
1.Nancy Pelosi's experience of running a % 9 approval rated Congress.
2.Barney Frank and all the experience he had overseeing FannieMae and FreddieMac.
3.John Murtha's experience of supporting the troops by calling them "blood thirsty killers".
4.Harry Reid's experience on the war in Iraq when he declared it lost.
5.Chris Dodd's experience of taking a sweetheart loan while he is the Chairman of the Senate Banking Committee.
6.Eliot Spitzer's experience of frequenting prostitutes as Governor of New York.
7.Barack Obama's experience of taking a $300,000 bribe from Tony Rezko so he could buy a mansion.
8.Congress's experience of denying America access to it's own oil resource while gas prices soar.
9.Diane Feinstein's experience of stepping down from the Senate Military Construction Appropriations Subcommittee after a report linked her votes to the financial
well-being of her husband's companies, which received billions of
dollars worth of military construction contracts she approved.
10.The experience of stuffing $90,000 dollars in your freezer like Congressman William Jefferson.
It they call all that experience then I pray to God Sarah doesn't have any of it.This is the worst bunch of arrogant self-serving,lying and backstabbing corrupt and self important Democrats I have ever seen.If they ever get control of all three branches of government then all of us are going to have some experience to.The experience of having our pockets picked and our values destroyed like you have never experienced.
That's an experience I don't need.
Victory in Iraq.
Liberals suck.
McCain for Preznint.
I'm not gonna watch Cnn but,
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 21:04 ET by Paul GI'm not gonna watch Cnn but, they have that polling doo hickey dial thing with 1/3/R 1/3 D and 1/3 I from what ive seen on other sites I means mostly D
"Can I call you Joe?" Aw,
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 21:07 ET by balboa"Can I call you Joe?"
Aw, that's adorable. She really is like us.
whoa joe! sloow down!
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 21:09 ET by xyzzypoofswhat is he saying, I cannot understand this speed babbling
what should she say?!?
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 21:11 ET by porpoiseboyhow about "can i call you "pinnochio"...liar boy!"
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.
sweat
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 21:13 ET by xyzzypoofs"Joe" is starting to sweat
I think she's going to say
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 21:17 ET by balboaI think she's going to say "darn tootin'" next.
actually she said
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 21:22 ET by porpoiseboy"i may not give the answer the way the moderator wants to hear it, but i am going to talk directly to the american people"......nice!! and i like that she calls him "joe" and refers to obama as "barack"...shows a nice lack of respect for them, sneaky, but nice!
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.
"Gosh, I'm just a Washington
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:11 ET by balboa"Gosh, I'm just a Washington outsider."
Ugh...I'm gonna throw up. Next time they show her, she's going to be whittling something out of wood while sitting in a rocking chair.
please stop saying "Mavericks"
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:16 ET by xyzzypoofsthat unfortunately sounds lackadaisical and reckless
we want an outsider
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:18 ET by porpoiseboywhat she said was that being an outsider she didn't understand why in the belt they say they are for something then they say they are against it. bravo! she said if you are for something...say it and then explain your position to the people. bravo
i am not sure where you are from...but what's wrong with whittling and sitting in a rocking chair? oh...i forgot you LOVE the liberal elitists who talk alot and do nothing.
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.
There's nothing wrong with
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:20 ET by balboaThere's nothing wrong with whittling or sitting in a rocking chair, but she's just laying on this whole act a bit thick. It sounds phony.
And I'm from a small town in Indiana.
small town indiana baalboa
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:25 ET by porpoiseboywhy is it you think it is put on? she is from a small town. that's real knucklehead! biden has been in the belt for over half his life. his playing up small town blue collar roots is the one that seems disingenuous pally. i think you have come to expect and can't think of politicians as anything but elitist and disingenuos so you expect her to be the same thing....she's not. she's the real deal...biden's not.
oh no....now he's talking about his wife and daughter dying...wonder why he left out the drunk driving conspiracy theory this time?
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.
I think it used to be
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:28 ET by balboaI think it used to be genuine. Here it seems to be used for effect.
Need a barf bag Bal
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:44 ET by general companyDont you have some thowing up to do Bal
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Bal, you're a perfect example
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:58 ET by Indiana Joeof "damned if you do, damned if you don't." What has the media, the Obama campaign and just about everyone else been beating Palin up about for the last month, huh?
Now, let's take your "not me" outrage as a given, okay? Otherwise, all the folks I mention have been dissing Governor Palin for being a small-town mayor, a huntress, a "hockey-mom," and every other code-word for a "yokel" you can think of. But now, they (and you) realize that people want someone they can identify with more than the usual career politicians. They like the "outsider" aspect of her. It's working for her! Mayday, Mayday!
So, naturally, you now have to tear down the carefully-built perception of her that you (not you personally, of course) yourselves (except you) created.
I love the smell of irony in the evening! >;^)
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
I'm From a Small Town In Indiana, Too
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:26 ET by HoosierEm............and she is just what we need in this country - a Washington outsider.
Democrats never met a tax dollar they didn't like.
Thank goodness Hoosier
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:45 ET by general company"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Another Hoosier heard from!
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:59 ET by Indiana JoeI think RCP can take us out of the "toss-up" column.
;^)
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
I Miss Indiana
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:09 ET by HoosierEmWhere in Indiana are all the Hoosiers here from? I'm from the north.
Gee, isn't she? I heard
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:48 ET by Indiana JoeGee, isn't she? I heard tell she's too provincial and unknowledgeable to ever be a Washington insider.
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
al and dan
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:44 ET by jasinGore pulled that on Quayle in their debate. "Dan; can I call you Dan?
maybe it was payback
Palin
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 21:13 ET by pwozPalin looks a little nervous, but she's lookin' good!
Palins got a lot of....
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 21:17 ET by connmanblah blah blah going on!!
No way! No how! Nobama! Keep the change! ...Sen. Clinton
Yeah... but she looks hot.
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 21:26 ET by superconThat's a good looking woman.
Victory in Iraq.
Liberals suck.
McCain for Preznint.
Did Obama know about the
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 21:16 ET by Scuba DudeDid Obama know about the sub prime crisis because him and ACORN had a hand in CREATING IT!!!!!
Obama?
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 21:17 ET by xyzzypoofsObama warned about the subprime mortgage crisis? What, was he having trouble getting more bad loans organized for his community and was already wanting the taxpayers to ante up some more $$$ way back then?
ACORN Governor
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 21:19 ET by connmanACORN!!!
No way! No how! Nobama! Keep the change! ...Sen. Clinton
Gov. Palin, PLEASE
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 21:20 ET by Scuba DudeGov. Palin,
PLEASE mention that the 95% Obama says he will cut taxes DOES NOT EXIST. Most of that 95% DOES NOT PAY TAXES!!!!
TAX CUT = WELFARE
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 21:37 ET by Sergeant ROCKAnother one that Palin is letting that doofuss off the hook for.
PALIN/McCain 2008
What is it with 95%? Is
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:48 ET by FishFace222What is it with 95%? Is everything Joe mentions 95%?
How does that commercial go--90% of statistics are made up
half the time.
Can't remember the commercial but that sounds like Biden tonight.
Not a commercial...
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:01 ET by Indiana Joebut I remember a line from some show, something like:
"Statistics can say whatever you want, 76% of people know that."
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
She is kicking his ass so
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 21:22 ET by ApacheShe is kicking his ass so far. I think she played Couric.
Palin is a better speaker
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 21:25 ET by NetizenCainPalin is a better speaker but at times she just seems a bit out of her league. I just wish she had a few more years under her belt to make her more experienced up on the podium.
Biden is just dour/sour and babbling with numbers and percentages... this confuses my simple red state brain.
Your right NC
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:47 ET by general companyA few more years she would be stomping him with those High Heels
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
frank luntz focus group
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:53 ET by porpoiseboythe evenly divided focus group put together by frank luntz just now almost unanimously says palin killed it. the people have spoken....there was only one who went from mcain to albomba ....the rest who changed their minds went from albomba to mcain. there was about an 80% shift to mccain among those who shifted.....NICE!
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.
NPR Radio Coverage
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 21:27 ET by BlueCat57I shut the radio off after less than 30 seconds! I couldn't listen to the lies and bias of the announcer. The first words out of her mouth were that Palin was losing ground after having trouble answering questions in the Gibson and other interviews. What a bunch of lies. Those issue have already been debunked here and elsewhere. I guess truth is no longer part of the definition of news or journalism. I'm going to find a group that is working to defund NPR and support them. The sooner the government cuts off funds to this joke of a "news" organization the better.
So the moderator cut Palin
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 21:28 ET by SmartypantsSo the moderator cut Palin off in the middle of a good point. She has yet to interrupt Biden at any time.
typical liberal lack of math skills
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 21:33 ET by xyzzypoofs$600 billion dollars means nothing other than that consumers bought a lot of gas. What was the profit % you misdirecting sob?
Who cares about the profit
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:07 ET by dmntd1Who cares about the profit margin, when they probably paid that much in taxes too. Add in the cap-gains taxes from investors and how much MORE was paid in taxes from oil revenues?!?
"Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy." - Winston Churchill
Blowing it
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 21:33 ET by Sergeant ROCKSo far, failed to nail democRATS for the Fannie and Freddie fiasco when given the opportunity.
And, after Biden shared a story about filling up his car at the *ahem* local gas station, she didn't ask him why then Obama siad he would have liked to see higher gas prices at a slower rate than all at once.
This is the McCain nice strategy, which will fail. Ask Bob Dole.
* Another missed opportunity on the sub-prime mortgages.
PALIN/McCain 2008
she called him
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 21:41 ET by porpoiseboyobiden....beautiful !! i know it was a slip...but a beautiful one!
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.
okay i heard something i don't like from her
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:00 ET by porpoiseboyshe says NU-CUE-LAR....instead of NU-KLEE-ER just like bush....i hate it, but i can live with it.
oooo...oooo i just heard that joe biden is israel's best friend...( from him )that's news. oh, but he is also a friend of hezballah...wonder how that works?!?!
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.
Flipper,
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:12 ET by Indiana Joe"wonder how that works?"
Three words:
Different poker nights.
:^D
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
I agree
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:22 ET by ScandimanI hate to say it, but I argree! McCain PROMISED that he would name names, and Palin had a chance to hit one out of the ballpark by mentioning the culpability Obama has to the Fanny/Freddy fiasco. It just frustrates me the way McCain/Palin lack the courage to call it like it is on this issue. Makes me really wish the ticket was Romney/Palin instead of Dole/Palin..........er McCain/Palin.
Scandiman,
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:15 ET by Indiana JoeWell, if worse comes to worst...
Romney/Palin 2012 (?)
If there's anything left, that is...
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
Why don't people realize
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 21:34 ET by Scuba DudeWhy don't people realize that a windfall profit tax is nothing more than punishing a company for being sucessful.
windfall profits
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 21:49 ET by porpoiseboybecause people won't educate themselves. btw, a state taxing certain profits make alot more sense because they have a vested interest NOT to tax to the point that it hurts the companies. AND alaska was only taxing product coming out of their ground...not taxing the companies profits as a whole. that is their right as a state where the product originates and who have issued the leases the companies.
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.
I do not like the windfall profit tax concept, but ...
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 08:12 ET by mom_roxObama/Biden want windfall profit taxes to go directly to the government coffers, while
Palin distributed those windfall profit taxes directly to the Alaskan citizens.
BIG DIFFERENCE
regarding Barack Obama's tax plan - I never received a job from a poor person.
Windfall Profits Tax Myth
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:15 ET by PopularTechA windfall tax will not solve our energy crisis (The Daily Telegraph, UK)
Don't fall for a "windfall" profits tax (David Kreutzer, Ph.D. Economics)
Economic Amnesia: The Case against Oil Price Controls and Windfall Profit Taxes (Cato Institute)
Profits Do Not Cause High Prices (William L. Anderson, Ph.D. Professor of Economics)
Windfall Profit Nonsense: We Have An Energy Policy - It's Called The Free Market (John Stossel, 20/20)
Windfall Profits Tax Would Hardly Be Revenue Gusher (Cato Institute)
This whole "McCain suspended
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 21:34 ET by balboaThis whole "McCain suspended his campaign" stuff is nonsense. He didn't even go back to Washington for 22 hours.
Yes, balboa, because Obama
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 21:41 ET by SmartypantsYes, balboa, because Obama refused to postpone the debate. Tell the whole story and you'll get more respect. McCain wanted to postpone; Obama didn't.
So what happens if one
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 21:44 ET by balboaSo what happens if one candidate wants to debate and another doesn't?
And when did McCain come to this decision?
What happens is what
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 21:48 ET by SmartypantsWhat happens is what happened.
What decision are you referring to that McCain came to?
What happens is what
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 21:48 ET by SmartypantsWhat happens is what happened.
What decision are you referring to that McCain came to?
Barack wouldn't postpone
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 21:45 ET by xyzzypoofsBarack wouldn't postpone because he was afraid he would forget the lines he had memorized (or would have to learn some new ones)
And don't forget, Sen.
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 21:48 ET by Scuba DudeAnd don't forget, Sen. McCain wanted more town hall meetings between him and Obama, but Obama like the chicken he is said no. Maybe Sen. McCain could have stayed and help out with the economic crisis if they had those meetings. But Obama like the petulant child he is prevented that.
So, a campaign is only
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 21:46 ET by ckc1227So, a campaign is only suspended once you step foot in Washington? Wow, who knew?
Great point.
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:24 ET by SmartypantsGreat point.
Yes, but they built it up as
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:27 ET by balboaYes, but they built it up as "McCain's gotta get back to Washington as soon as possible to save the economy!"
But first...let's have an interview with Katie...
Are you whinning?
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:01 ET by general companySure sounds like it
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
balbao
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:04 ET by well99Yea John is like that.Shoot he even turned down a chance for a early release as a pow.Must of been for the votes
I am so sick of these
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 21:44 ET by ApacheI am so sick of these morons pretending to have a science degree and preaching their religion of global warming.
She's not doing good
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:03 ET by JJVShe seems just like Obama did in the first Presidential debate...over-rehearsed and like she's giving good studied oral answers on part two of a civics test. She's not defending McCain strong, and she's not going back at him on the ridiculous points he's making like "John McCain voted agains the troops". The best answer for that from a true outsider would be "Why is it you guys can't pass a bill without tacking on all this other stuff?"
So JJV
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:20 ET by connmanDou you think this means that the media will give her the victory?
No way! No how! Nobama! Keep the change! ...Sen. Clinton
Victory for Palin?
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:29 ET by JJVBoy I hope so, but I don't see it. I thought Obama was totally outclassed and was shocked to see the focus group reaction. Especially because I watched it with my Democrat father in law, and he saw it the same way I did.
In the opening moments of
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:12 ET by SumricaIn the opening moments of the debate, the moderator said something like...
"Time is up. We're going to have to move along, Dear."
Please, tell me I didn't hear outright condescension.
A Washington outsider,
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:13 ET by ripke35A Washington outsider, that's the best reason to vote for a McCain/Palin ticket.
I think she is holding her
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:15 ET by USA4freedomI think she is holding her own.
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
I do hate the fact that she
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:22 ET by USA4freedomI do hate the fact that she has to parrot Mc Cain’s ideas, but all in all I think that she is doing ok.
The MSM will hate her because she does not sound very elitist. But I think that public will like her.
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Say is ain't so JOE
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:16 ET by upcountrywaterdang the chat down, wow a hunderd of us were on at one time!!
CLIMATE CRISIS
IranianUranium
Sheriff Sarah has come to town tonight!
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:18 ET by CTNO OBAMUNISTS IN 2008
OBAMUNISTS?
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:28 ET by Sergeant ROCKHe he he.. that's a good one!
PALIN/McCain 2008
Chat started getting slower
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:18 ET by the strugglerChat started getting slower and sllooooweeer
If you turn down the sound....
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:24 ET by connmanshe really looks HOT!
No way! No how! Nobama! Keep the change! ...Sen. Clinton
Biden
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:33 ET by MaximusBraveheartBiden just now on McCain saying maverick he is not... blah blah. Complaining that McCain did not give everything away for free.
Unlimited welfare for everyone; just print the $. There's a plan Obama!
M-B
Interesting
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:21 ET by pbthinkerAs of this time, Palin is getting wound up. She looks OK, not great, but OK. Biden is right there, unlike his leader, with his foreign policy experience.
I was getting some really depressing e-mails after the first 1/2 hour, things are looking up right now.
I would have love to have had the mike, when Biden started talking about going to Home Depot and asking about John McCains proposals and how they're going to affect the average person. I can't imagine going down to my Home Depot and asking anyone there what they though about John McCain's proposals!!!
Democrats: Stuck on Stupid since 2000.
Biden at Home Depot???
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:21 ET by Secret ConservativeYeah, right. He's just trying to challenge Sarah's "regular person" credentials. Gee, do you wonder if the MSM will run over to the Home Depot in Wilmington to ask the clerks how often they see Biden in there - especially taking polls of the "regular guys?" And what was that coffee shop he mentioned on Main Street? Give me a break.
Bafoon
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:21 ET by the strugglerBiden keeps laughing. He's starting to look like an ass.Scratch starting.
Did Joe start to CRY????
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:26 ET by connmanThere's no crying in debates Joe!
No way! No how! Nobama! Keep the change! ...Sen. Clinton
I must admit...
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:55 ET by MightyMouththat moment had me ROFLOL!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
He did -- looks like he
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:04 ET by lotrHe did -- looks like he borrowed one from Hillary's playbook.
And Darkness and Decay and the Red Death held illimitable dominion over all. -- Edgar Allan Poe
Did Joe Start to Cry?
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 01:02 ET by livingfreeIt looked that way to me. Maybe a belch, ya think? She was great going against someone with 35yrs experience.
Livefree or die trying
Sarah Palin is mopping the floor with Biden.
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:24 ET by R D Helm-Dave
Fear makes people do weird things....it makes their brains stop working. - Dave Ramsey
My troll fuse length today: 0.5cm
Greed and Corruption on WALL Street????
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:28 ET by connmanHey Gov, how bout the Greed and Corruption in Washington???
No way! No how! Nobama! Keep the change! ...Sen. Clinton
Yeah, I got tired of that "Greed and Corruption...
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:00 ET by on-the-rockson Wall Street" line, too. It is OK to specify certain bad players, but not to do the broadbrush attacks against Wall Street as a whole.
But I get more tired of the "abject failure" line trotted out about the Bush Administration. It is going to take years for events to play themselves out before we can make that judgement.
I wouldn't even make that sort of comment about the Clinton Administration.
I feel that way, too.
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:08 ET by SmartypantsI feel that way, too. There is too much acceptance about everything in the Bush Administration being a failure, from the economy to Iraq. This is a ridiculous statement. The economy was fine for six or seven years of the Bush Administration, even with 9/11 and an ongoing war. It was in the last year or so that it started to falter (interestingly, after the Dems took over Congress). To call Bush's foreign policy and terrorism fight "abject failure" is astounding. Abject failure would be monthly terrorist attacks occurring on our own soil without resolution.
The problem is that McCain/Palin are in a catch-22 with regard to Bush. If they defend the policies they are seen as backing an unpopular president, which could be political disaster. They have to essentially defend the positions without personalizing it as a Bush policy, which is not always easy.
Greed is Good
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:16 ET by PopularTechGreed (1/3) (Video) (12min) (John Stossel, ABC News)
Greed (2/3) (Video) (13min) (John Stossel, ABC News)
Greed (3/3) (Video) (14min) (John Stossel, ABC News)
Greed is good (John Stossel, Townhall)
Actually PT, this is waaayyy better.
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:48 ET by HillbillyKinghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaKkuJVy2YA
;-}
If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you.
Don Marquis 1878-1937
Hack the Debate!
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:57 ET by Sergeant ROCKFlipping channels on Direct TV and saw this ..
http://current.com/items/89365000_palin_biden_face_off_in_vp_debate
Posted messages appear on the screen during the debate - funny stuff. Well, except for the Daily Koz stuff.
* You're missing it! lol
PALIN/McCain 2008
Ifil
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:27 ET by pbthinkerThough there's still time left, Gwen Ifil has done a credible job, in spite of the worries. We'll never know if the exposure of her book made her rethink anything, but she has, in my opinion at least, done a good job.
Democrats: Stuck on Stupid since 2000.
I do think she's allowed
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:30 ET by SmartypantsI do think she's allowed Biden to go well beyond a two minute time limit, on many occasions. He rarely took less than that in fact. She also cut off Palin early on, who hadn't even been talking for that long.
What didn't happen, as far
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:33 ET by balboaWhat didn't happen, as far as I can tell, is a major gaffe or "gotcha" moment on either side. There was no "You're no John Kennedy" or anything like that.
Hi Amigo,
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:50 ET by MightyMouthBut I am sure you will go along with the consensus that the moderator was biased, as everyone knows? I mean, everyone who follows this stuff (which I think would include you) :-)
There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Sorry, didn't see anything
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:56 ET by balboaSorry, didn't see anything overtly biased about the Ifill conducted this debate.
Now, is she inherently biased? Sure, because she's a democrat. Does that mean she can't do a good job as a moderator? No.
look at my comments below...
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:01 ET by MightyMouthShe allowed Biden to respond when he had no right. But I will confess, Palin could have done the same. Guess she was just following the rules, unlike Dems who make their own rules?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
balbao
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:10 ET by well99Gwen did a good job.To be honest I was wrong about Gwen.She wasnt bias in my view.Actually I liked her questions.
»→ Ifill
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:14 ET by Cool ArrowGwen Ifill was excellent as moderator.
Her political leanings did not hamper either candidate.
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And you'd say the same
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:22 ET by Indiana JoeAnd you'd say the same about... which Republican in the media?
Just curious. Take your time.
Okay, I admit it. Trick question. ;^)
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
ifil
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:34 ET by porpoiseboycredit where it is due. for an obama supporter she has done a good job. she has been even handed and you would not have any idea she is in the tank for obama. does not mean that we should not have questioned her....but credit where it is due.
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.
I wonder if the extra scrutiny...
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:03 ET by on-the-rockskept Gwen Ifill more honest.
I think she handled herself well.
NBers, form now on, it is Joe Obiden.
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:29 ET by R D Helm-Dave
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OMG! Did Biden just say
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:33 ET by motherbeltOMG! Did Biden just say he never questions anyone's motives????
Excuse me....O'Biden !
o
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:34 ET by xyzzypoofshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hSnEMV58F8
so...
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:38 ET by xyzzypoofsit's the Irish (Joe O'Biden / Barackk Hussein O'bama) vs. the Mavericks (John McCain/Sarah PAlin)
OMG...again!!!!
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:37 ET by porpoiseboyhe called him albomba!!!....so it's now "albomba & obiden".....everyone got that?
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.
maverick
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:35 ET by phbalancedgood grief. please stop using the term 'maverick' for McCain.
unless you want to talk about McCain's opposition to the MLK holiday in Arizona. or Keating Five. very 'maverick' of him.
YES!!! A smackdown of the
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:34 ET by Scuba DudeYES!!!
A smackdown of the MSM by Gov. Palin!!
Hey, WTH and crew
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:35 ET by sshuffield70Had fun chatting with you all during the debate. Hope we can do it again real soon!
Was it me or did Biden begin
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:35 ET by dscottWas it me or did Biden begin answering that question as though he knew it, about an issue he changed his mind on?
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
I got the exact same
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:38 ET by SmartypantsI got the exact same feeling, ds. He started answering that way too quickly for a supposedly impromptu question. No joke; I observed the same thing.
evil CEOs!
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:36 ET by Old EuropeYes, Joe. We know that you and Barry hate the CEOs and capitalism in general.
The "evil" CEO Myth
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:01 ET by PopularTechUnfortunately the average person is clueless about how a corporation is run. Shareholders own a corporation, appoint it's board of directors who hire the CEO via a contract. So this idea of this one man who controls all is BS. The board of directors have full power to remove the CEO and negotiate the contracts of hiring them in the first place. All of these "outrageous" salaries are warranted to find the best man for the job. The "golden parachutes" are part of the CEO's contract when hired otherwise the best man wouldn't agree to take on the responsibility. This populist anti-CEO rhetoric is made through economic ignorance and promoted by the MSM.
That's because a huge chunk
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:24 ET by SmartypantsThat's because a huge chunk of the mainstream press and those who put out shows like "The View" themselves know nothing about economics or finance. These people are a bunch of liberal arts majors (not that there's anything wrong with that) or they have little education at all. Also, they play to the lowest common denominator often in their broadcasts and writings. The populist rhetoric sells newspapers and garners ratings, so the media spits it out. Plus, it helps support many Democrat arguments; it's a double bonus for the libs in the media.
My main disappointment so far with McCain/Palin is that they do not speak out and correct the populist class warfare charges being spewed by Obama and Biden. Then again, they have to be careful to not go overboard and come off as insensitive; it's not easy being a Republican candidate in a liberal media world. You get no benefit of the doubt, while the other side gets all it needs in that department.
BS PT
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:16 ET by general companyYou are full of squat, many of these corps are gutted by greedy CEO and Boards. Share holders may own them, but they sure dont run them. Much like the Gov, they may heed, you but do they do what you want ultimently? Dont bother telling me this isn't true, I have lived it and have been involved in exposing it. I have seen many successful Co that have been taken over by these folks just to dismantle them and run with the cash. I have given testimony to federal judges in cases such as these. Many of these corporate hacks should be in jail.
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General, because many
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:29 ET by SmartypantsGeneral, because many companies are filled with greedy people does not change the nature of how the system works. The post was absolutely right. Shareholders should vote out directors who do not run companies with the best of intentions. You do not crucify all of capitalism, as Obama and Biden seem to do, because there are some bad apples.
Can't the same thing you say be said of the government? Are there no greedy politicians, judges and executives in government that are taking advantage of their power to line their own pockets? Why is it only business that people like Biden attack for being greedy?
Smartypants,
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:27 ET by Indiana Joe"Why is it only business that people like Biden attack for being greedy?"
Because it would be like a Japanese kamikaze pilot diving on the Yamamoto.
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
Greed is Good - this is not Socialism
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:42 ET by PopularTechSorry but this is not Socialims, Greed is what makes capitalism works and there is nothing wrong with it.
Greed (1/3) (Video) (12min) (John Stossel, ABC News)
Greed (2/3) (Video) (13min) (John Stossel, ABC News)
Greed (3/3) (Video) (14min) (John Stossel, ABC News)
Greed is good (John Stossel, Townhall)
It is the shareholders responsibility to replace the board of directors if they are not doing a good job and it is up to the board to replace the CEO for the same reason.
Your populist rhetoric doesn't deal in reality. If the board is writing bad contracts when they hire CEOs then that is their fault and it is the shareholders fault for not replacing the board.
Your dislike of corporations holds not relation to reality.
Incompetence is not a crime either. Not to mention CEOs are not all powerful like is propagandized in movies.
PT
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 09:58 ET by lotrDon't mean to split hairs here, but greed is one of the 7 capital sins. Perhaps you meant "ambition" or "resourcefulness."
That said, I agree that there is nothing wrong with being paid in proportion to the requirements of the job, nor is there anything wrong with striving to be paid well, so long as one recognizes that they are merely a steward, and that all good things come from God.
And Darkness and Decay and the Red Death held illimitable dominion over all. -- Edgar Allan Poe
Give me Gordon Gekko any day!
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:55 ET by HillbillyKinghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaKkuJVy2YA
Gekko for Sec. of Commerce!
If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you.
Don Marquis 1878-1937
I don't know
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:37 ET by ConLosRepublicanosNoI don't know how anybody can say she didn't beat his a$$.
Obama: "No, if we're going to ask questions about who is promulgating negative ads that are completely unrelated to the issues at hand, I think I win that contest pretty handily"
At the end of the day, Palin
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:40 ET by SmartypantsAt the end of the day, Palin is the one who had to prove herself, and she did. Biden is a lifetime D.C. insider and we expect him to be bombastic. She held her own against him, which is what she had to do.
Here Joe, here is your
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:41 ET by USA4freedomHere Joe, here is your A$$..
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
»→ Here Joe
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:57 ET by Cool ArrowBetter put some ice on that.
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The moderator complimented
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:40 ET by ApacheThe moderator complimented Biden at the end but other than that, she seemed reasonably fair for a left winger.
Yes, I did not detect any
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:08 ET by lotrYes, I did not detect any overt bias, although as with the first debate, the Democratic candidate seemed a lot more buddy-buddy with the moderator, making lots of eye contact, almost winking. But the questioning was neutral, in my opinion.
And Darkness and Decay and the Red Death held illimitable dominion over all. -- Edgar Allan Poe
I may be wrong...
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:40 ET by MightyMouth...But I think at least 3 times the moderator allowed Obiden to break procedure and respond! Sarah, did not get the same!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
I agree. The moderator
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:44 ET by SmartypantsI agree. The moderator gave Biden the last word on several occasions, when he was not owed it. I think Palin should have asked to respond on a few occasions to ensure she had the last word.
You may be right
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:58 ET by MightyMouthYou may be right Smartypants, Palin should have done an "Obiden" a few times.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Sarah killed it!
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:42 ET by Dee BunkShe was awesome!
Biden had way too much blush on
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:42 ET by caiobabeDespite the fact that Biden got mopped by THE PALIN SHOW, he did beat her on one thing...He had more make-up on than she did.
He needed it! Fear And
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:58 ET by Clear thinkerHe needed it!
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Sarah did win the debate,
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:42 ET by cosmicb711Sarah did win the debate, but me thinks that the MSM will either call this a draw or that Biden won.
That goes without saying.
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:46 ET by SmartypantsThat goes without saying. The msm will never acknowledge a Republican victory in such a hotly contested election, not the bulk of the msm anyway. Bush mopped Kerry up in 2004 and the media claimed it was a draw or even that Kerry won. The same happened in 2000 with Al Gore, who was a horrible debater.
MSNBC Mancow is criticizing Sarah's womanliness!
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:52 ET by CTImagine Mancow of all people.
Man-cow
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:58 ET by jaywlHey, be careful. Mancow is really a woman.
No way! Fear And Loathing
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:08 ET by Clear thinkerNo way!
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BULL!
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:03 ET by CTA heterosexual response.
To all you naysayers...
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:56 ET by Clear thinkerTo all you naysayers... Sarah Palin did a fantastic job tonight and nobody in their right mind can deny it. Too bad it's not a Palin/McCain ticket.
Watching the debate made me realize why feminists don't like Sarah. It's simply a matter of jealousy. How many feminists could ever stack up against Sarah?
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Ct, who is McCain?
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:59 ET by R D Helm-Dave
Fear makes people do weird things....it makes their brains stop working. - Dave Ramsey
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who is mccain??
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:03 ET by porpoiseboywhy he's the guy that is just a "heartbeat away" from giving us our first woman president. the one we want.
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.
Who's McCain?
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:04 ET by Cool ArrowHe's the guy who asked Sarah Palin to be his replacement.
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RD... Start thinking
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:06 ET by Clear thinkerRD...
Start thinking 2012.
Hillary must be pissed!
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Too bad this is not worse?
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:03 ET by PopularTechIf only we could put the more unqualified person on the front of the ticket? Isn't that the Democrats game plan?
woot! sarah palin was incredible tonight!
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:55 ET by pmohbuckthe confidence ... the wit ... the "down-home" tone ... the energy ... she took it to biden, who came across as haggard, frustrated and boring. very impressive showing ... she looked mighty fine tonight too.
»→ Take a bow, Gwen
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:55 ET by Cool ArrowStand up, Gwen. Oh God love ya, I'm sorry.
Seriously, Gwen Ifill did an extraordinary job of letting the candidates debate.
Conflict of interest, sure. But Gwen was an excellent moderator.
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Greatness
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:59 ET by JJVNow that's funny!
I was initially very disappointed, but everyone I've talked to (who is not political) says she did great. I guess I'm disappointed because I was looking for the Barracuda.
Cool... I agree. Hats off
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:00 ET by Clear thinkerCool...
I agree. Hats off to Gwen for being a professional tonight and not pandering to the Obama camp.
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CA
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:12 ET by well99I agree with you.I think Gwen did a good job.
Frank Luntz
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:56 ET by jaywlHe had his post-mortem, Palin won the 50-50 group of voters. Several moments of near unanimous approval. Couric lost more credibility. "Edited interview" one said.
I thought Palin did great.
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:57 ET by mostlymoderateI thought Palin did great. Unfortunately, our liberal media set this whole thing up from the beginning where Palin had everything to lose and nothing to gain. The media will never talk about Palin's positive aspects; they only are waiting for her to make some simple "flub-up" that has no material importance.
INHUMAN!?!?!?!?!?
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:58 ET by connorinMadcow's first reaction after the debate is that Sarah Palin is inhuman???? Nice to see MSNBC is objective.
Maybe Rachel is gettin Sarah Palin confused with Sarah Connor from The Terminator?
Well, heterosexual, white,
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:00 ET by mostlymoderateWell, heterosexual, white, successful woman that did not choose to abort her children *is* inhuman in the eyes of Rachel.
C'mon, let's be real. Does
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:04 ET by Clear thinkerC'mon, let's be real. Does anyone here care what Rachel thinks???
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Only if it is Rachel
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:21 ET by well99Only if it is Rachel Welch....ok that should be Raquel
»→ That silly grin
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 22:59 ET by Cool ArrowBiden's condescending grin was to this debate what Al Gore's sighing was to Bush/Gore.
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My wife picked up on this
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 10:04 ET by lotrMy wife picked up on this -- and it pissed her off.
And Darkness and Decay and the Red Death held illimitable dominion over all. -- Edgar Allan Poe
Wonder if Matthews will
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:03 ET by FishFace222Wonder if Matthews will comment on how angry Biden looked several times.
Biden lies!!!
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:03 ET by ConLosRepublicanosNoAccording to Fox and Fred Thompson the McCain camp
says they have a list of lies that Biden utter during the debate. I expect an
ad very soon.
Obama: "No, if we're going to ask questions about who is promulgating negative ads that are completely unrelated to the issues at hand, I think I win that contest pretty handily"
»→ Thompson
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:05 ET by Cool ArrowTomorrow will be fun exposing Biden's serpentine tongue.
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here's my childish comment: (removed by xyzzypoofs)
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:11 ET by xyzzypoofs<I removed this because I did not like how I sounded in this comment -sorry>
Gov Palin hit the ball out
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:04 ET by celatorGov Palin hit the ball out of the park so many times, I lost count. She won the evening, no question, principally by her ability (gift, really) to speak directly to us. That's what we sense when she talks.
Other observations:
1. Both candidates showed genuine respect for one another, and it looked real. I like that.
2. The post-debate shots of the families of both candidates meeting one another, greeting each other warmly was one of the best moments of the evening for me. We are all so sick and tired and fed up with the personal fighting in political parties in Washington and everywhere else. It's killing us as a country, destroying our culture. So that post debate scene was symbolic for me. Hopeful, even.
4. Biden didn't fall apart or go off his reservation as much as I thought he might. He did fine, for Biden.
3. Gwen Ifill did fine. Plenty fair and with good questions.
The major media report only half the news. Why are they surprised they have only half the potential audience?
I agree with all of your
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:08 ET by balboaI agree with all of your observations! I too like the seemingly genuine respect both showed and the greet-and-chat between families afterwards.
That really stood out for
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:12 ET by celatorThat really stood out for me. Glad you saw it too.
The major media report only half the news. Why are they surprised they have only half the potential audience?
Way to go Sarah!!!
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:07 ET by PrairieSkyYou go girl!!! Sarah was awesome!!! She did exactly what she needed to do and more! She went toe-to-toe with Senator "Inside the Beltway" Biden and met him point on point!! She took the fight right to him, and made it clear that she came to play. She knew her stuff, and when Biden challenged her or McCain she gave it right back to him. I said before the debate that I thought she needed to hit it out of the park, and she did!!!
I was very very worried going into this debate about the future of McCain/Palin, but Sarah, again, has renewed the campaign!!!
I am sooo proud of her!!!!
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
Too bad the Chat went Tango
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:05 ET by BuffNBoneToo bad the Chat went Tango Uniform it really was cookin. I missed readin ya'll zingers.
Palin clearly won, so in new media math that means a tie. And in their perverse world ties mean Obiden won or in Irish I guess it's O'Biden.
"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"
Fred Thompson
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:06 ET by jaywlOn Fox, old Fred is so right in what he says. He said he was so happy for Palin because of the abuse, vile comments, etc she has suffered in the last weeks. Then he let loose on Biden's "misrepresentations" or LIES as I would say. Great!
Did anyone else pick up on
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:07 ET by HermanoDid anyone else pick up on this? Biden is talking about the VP as executive versus legislative. He comments that he would "guide" the legislature to do the things the administrations wanted, but then turned around and said that it was dangerous to take the Cheney position of being part of the legislature. It is saying two differnt things at once!
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»→ Hermano
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:11 ET by Cool ArrowYeah, I caught that too. And how is it possible breaking a tie in the Senate is not legislative?
The VP is also instrumental in lobbying for the President. Certainly Obama and Obiden can understand lobbying. (Even though money doesn't change hands)
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Argggghhhh
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:08 ET by retroconWhy... didn't... she... whack... the... democrats... on... FANNIE MAE!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?
otherwise, she did well, but instead of 90/10, she only gets a win by 60/40.
70/30 at the very
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:10 ET by Clear thinker70/30 at the very least.
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"Why... didn't... she...
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:29 ET by ckc1227"Why... didn't... she... whack... the... democrats... on... FANNIE MAE!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?"
I don't know, it seems to be off-limits for some reason. McCain isn't even making that argument, and it's a clear winner for him.
Has anyone seen the looks on the faces over at MSNBC??
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:09 ET by PrairieSkyThey look absolutely funereal!!! I LOVE IT!!!!
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
Olberman is on - lesson in spin
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:09 ET by nwahsWatch this unethical moron cover this debate.
I can't watch Olbertwit...I just can't...
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:15 ET by PrairieSkyI'll have to read about it...
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
Well You Cant Blame Sarah
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:13 ET by MexNobamaNotions of Palin not being up to the debate are dead by now I am sure.
Yes the left is going to spin and jibes and jab but the bottom line is that the Palin of the Covention came back and delivered.
I have say that Biden for my money did not make any major gaffes, so it wasn't a bad night for him, but she did catch him on a few good ones.
1. Your strategy is waving a white flag
2. The record suggest that you will raise taxes
3. Say it ain't so joe
Not bad stuff from the supposed "dimwit"
If McCain cannot parlay this performance into gaining back some momentum he doesn't deserve to be preisdent.
I apologize to Ms Ifill. She was reasonably unbiased for someone with that kind of political agenda.
"If McCain cannot parlay
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:20 ET by Schnikeys"If McCain cannot parlay this performance into gaining back some momentum he doesn't deserve to be president."
I'm sure that McCain's not going to be impressing any one of us.
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"My morality is your morality."
Go Sarah!
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:17 ET by Travis Noodle*Taking Deep Breath*
Thank God for Sarah Palin! I think she did a great job in the VP debate and I thought her answers were very straight-forward and "main streetesque".
I thought she won!
Claire McCaskill on FOX a few minutes ago totally bashed Sarah...of course. McCaskill is such a cow!
McCain Palin being out finessed...
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:14 ET by killbill2I thought Gov. Palin did pretty well but come on... take health care for example. A quick analogy to Canada's national health care policy destroys Obama/Biden. How long does it take for a primary care visit in Canada Joe??? ...6 months! Where do Canadians with means go for their heath care Joe??? ...the U.S.
If nationalized health care is so effective, why is it essentially a failure in Canada?
"I thought Gov. Palin did
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:22 ET by ckc1227"I thought Gov. Palin did pretty well but come on... take health care for example"
I thought she gave a pretty good answer. She said look at how government is doing and ask yourself if you really want them running your health care.
The difference...
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:13 ET by killbill2pretty good answer... or a knockout answer!
Pretty good isn't going to win this election...
Thought I'd pass this publication along.
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 09:37 ET by Par for the CourseThe Hidden Costs of Single Payer Health Insurance: A Comparison of the United States and Canada
Date Published: 9/30/2008 3:00:00 AM
There is a free PDF download of the report.
third person
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:15 ET by RousseBiden referred to himself in the third person. That's such a smarmy thing to do---
"Chuck ... stand up Chuck, and let 'em see you."
"O God love you."
"What am I talking about."
Yeah, that's right Joe, what ARE you talking about?
Gov. Palin won this debate
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:17 ET by xyzzypoofsregardless of what Katie Couric is going to say
I caught that, too. Thought
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:20 ET by HermanoI caught that, too. Thought it was rather odd, especially for an Early Boomer.
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Bit of class
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:24 ET by general companyI realy loved the way they , The Palins and Bidens and family gave each other hugs and greetings after the debate. This is what we need more of, to not make every issue toxic.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
I agree completely. I said
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:26 ET by celatorI agree completely. I said as much on some other post. It's the image that will stay with me for quite a while.
The major media report only half the news. Why are they surprised they have only half the potential audience?
Sarahcuda Won
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:17 ET by Lame CherryFrom my blog and congratulations to debate winner Sarah Palin.
The tracking poll I was watching in the debate clearly showed Gov. Palin with a 10 point win margin by the screen watchers viewing the debate.
God bless and what a great night as predicted here on Newsbusters.
http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2008/10/sarah-palin-clear-debate-titan.ht...
I would first like to first state that considering Joe Biden had to
carry the burden of Barack Obama, he did very well in the debate.
In
noting that, Sarah Palin outpaced Joe Biden in poise, debate,
intelligence, ability and purpose, so as Joe Biden did very well, Sarah
Palin topped better than very well.
What pundits missed in this
was Gov. Palin has squashed all her lying detractors who termed her the
worst of things by being the best of people.
What Sarah Plain
accomplished in this debate was strategic in she filleted the meat of
Joe Biden from the skin of Barack Obama leaving him flapping in the
breeze, exploiting the Democratic voters from the PUMA to the soccer
mom the discomfort they have in not wanting to vote for Barack Obama.
Gov.
Palin repeatedly drove in the stake that Joe Biden was different from
Barack Obama and Joe Biden agreed more often than not. For those who
have said disgraceful things about Gov. Palin, that is the challenge in
you just try to do what she accomplished as it should have been
impossible, but she not only accomplished it in God's Grace she had Joe
Biden talking and smiling with her after the debate.
That point
alone in Joe Biden standing on stage for almost 10 minutes smiling with
Gov. Palin slaps every Keith Olbermann, Katie Couric to liberal online
who have been smearing Gov. Palin that he detests them.
Points I
noticed which were bizarre is Joe Biden in the debate seemed to have
some sort of red bulging marks on both temples. The one on his right
side looked like a 5 and the one's on the left side looked like 1 1.
For a time he had a beam of red across his brow connecting them and the
5 almost became a 6.
I don't know what numbers his brain was
attempting to dial, but he did prove that the Democrats should have
chosen this street thug for their nominee as he is 5 times the man
Barack Obama was.
As I predicted by God's Grace, I stated in
blog forever public that Gwen Ifill the Obama moderator would work into
the debate questions in the words "experience" and "heartbeat away" and
of course she did to which Gov. Palin slapped it aside easily.
As
stated, Gov. Palin has been slandered by people who said she was an
"airhead", but then she topped Biden who did very well. Biden just
didn't have a thing to work with in Obama except allowing himself to be
filleted or seperated from Barack Obama.
Sarah Palin proved she was
more adept than one of the most successful chattering politicians in
the world in Joe Biden. That makes her the debate titan as she topped
the man and proved all of her slimers wrong.
Sarah Palin proved
she is experienced enough to be President, intelligent enough to be
President and in a heartbeat away from being President she is qualified
in being Vice President.
Sarahcuda meant it when she said she
wanted the debates to continue as this is where she is at her best,
rather than sitting for 5 hours in a room with hot lights with a Couric
or Gibson droning on about subjects to get gotcha edits.
Sarah
Palin is the clear debate titan as she topped a very good performance
by Joe Biden, but when you cut your opponent off from his objective in
being with Obama and stand on the stage afterwards, that makes you the
victor.
Sarah Palin is the victor in the Vice Presidential debate.
agtG
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Mike Wallace's son
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:23 ET by xyzzypoofsChris Wallace finally had to get Claire MCaskil (D) on to get an anti-Palin vote --- whoa, Britt Hume just nailed him: Chris said, "now you can see why the Obama campaign loooves this woman (Claire McCaskill) talking for them as a surrogate" ---to which Britt responded: "Yes, I guess I understand why you like to go to Washington University I'm glad you like it out there Chris!"
yup
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:25 ET by well99McCaskill was lying big time.They should do a fact check on what she said.There would be a page of lies.
Hot dam LC
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:00 ET by general companyI will give you credit for predicting this, along with many others here
Thanks
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Where's the post-debate
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:20 ET by Insane ChipmunkWhere's the post-debate poll on CNN.com asking who won? If I recall correctly, after Obama v McCain it was up almost instantly for people to vote.
Now that it's been a strong showing by Palin, and a fairly convincing victory...are they afraid of allowing people to prove that?
Another point...
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:20 ET by killbill2Obama has moved so far populist that it almost seems like he's listening to McCain's remarks, rewriting them for better effect, and then using them in his stump speaches. You can't out stump Obama, he's good...[sadly]... McCain needs to move to the right! Hammer the congressional dem's on fannie and freddie, start making those guys "famous" as he said he would... Naming names! Get this bailout shot down and propose a new one with house GOP that resembles Warren Buffet's investment/bailout. Preferred stock, high interest, and warrants to protect taxpayers...
Exactly!
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:25 ET by JJVThat is exactly the way to go! I think that's why I was kind of disappointed tonight. Stop attackin Wall Street and attack the Democrats. THAT'S WHO YOU'RE RUNNING AGAINST! And they're so unbelievably vulnerable! Look what O'Reilly did to Barney Frank tonight. I'm no fan of O'Reilly, but that was awesome.
Absolutely!
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:58 ET by killbill2We don't want the Federal govt. in the mortgage business! This, although still more socialistic than I'd like, pumps massive liquidity into the market... let's the companies responsible sort out their mess/failures, and then gives us an easy out through deinvestment. All I have to say on Barney Frank is... TERM LIMITS, TERM LIMITS, TERM LIMITS! Throw them ALL out! Start over... Campaign finance reform. Lobbyist reform. I'm with Hannity and Glen Beck... Media is dead! Leadership is dead!
Ms. Ifill was surprisingly unbiased...
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:21 ET by PrairieSkyI wonder how much her apparent fairness was influenced by the fact that she knew she was being watched so closely, as a result of the publicity surrounding her book?
We'll probably never know...
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
»→ We can't know
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:24 ET by Cool ArrowNot for sure anyway.
But her previous roles as moderator were also fair.
Kill Bill II - Stop the bailout
That may be true, but...
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:34 ET by PrairieSkyJust a quick glance at the articles and pieces Ms. Ifill has done to date about Obama (and his family), which have been sooo over the top positive and fawning, gives one pause and legitimate reason for concern about her fairness going into this debate, never mind the book that is due to come out with more of the same.
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
It's All Over!!!
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:23 ET by northoneThis just in......11:05 pm EST..........there is no need for an election. CNN and its "best political team in politics" has just declared that their polling shows Sarah Palin lost the debate and that she will have done John McCain little-to-no good tonight. Obama will be the next president, according to CNN.
CNN must be making a bid to
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:25 ET by Clear thinkerCNN must be making a bid to be the next Comedy Channel.
Fear And Loathing Of Sarah Palin
Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/
GREAT JOB by Gov. Palin! I
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:24 ET by TN MomGREAT JOB by Gov. Palin! I love her 'straight talk' to the American People (me!). She has been on the trail for FIVE weeks and she passed tonights debate with flying-RED,WHITE &BLUE colors! She is fun, smart, blunt, and fresh...just what Washington needs to get us out of the mess we're in!
Olbermann challenges Sarah Palin/Republicans
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:25 ET by ConLosRepublicanosNoOn his show tonight Olbermann challenged Sarah to come on
his show. How can Olby expect such a nice lady to go on his show? The only
people that go to his show are conservative bashers and Sarah is clearly not
part of that group. Olby is delusional.
Obama: "No, if we're going to ask questions about who is promulgating negative ads that are completely unrelated to the issues at hand, I think I win that contest pretty handily"
Sorry, Olby, there's a
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:31 ET by ckc1227Sorry, Olby, there's a minimum viewer requirement that your show doesn't quite meet.
lol
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:39 ET by well99Works for me.Besides with KOeds man love of Obama she would probably call him on it.
Olbermann is a moron
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:56 ET by nwahsIt didn't take 3 minutes for him to have someone comparing Paling to a k9 - a Newsweek reporter. The mainstream media is an absolute discrace. The sexism allowed at MSNBC is disgusting.
Palin won this debate and
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:35 ET by Gat New YorkPalin won this debate and reversed all perceptions. However, watch CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSLSD and the major newspapers outright lie and decieve people to prop up Biden and destroy Palin.
The ONE thing that Palin did not do and had the opportunity to and McCain BETTER do is place blame for this financial mess where it belongs - not deregulation - but on over-regulation by Democrats with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to get people mortgages that could not pay for them and credit they could not afford. That was Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Barney Frank, and Chris Dodd.
I liked how she talked about taxes which is exactly what McCain needs to do and stop with his tired mantra of earmarks, porkbarrel and make them famous.
I saw Biden outright lie a number of times and Karl Rove caught many more. But will MSM report those lies?
I also think Gwen Ifill did a good job although some questions were dumb.
obiden the liar
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:35 ET by porpoiseboykarl rove just went over the 10 out and out lies obiden told during the debate. I KNEW IT!! alan colmes was about to cry. now he has some lib on trying to make him feel better. delusional
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.
MSNBC is such a disgrace!
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:35 ET by The_PumpcropYes, I know it's a far left mouth piece and can never even entertain the thought of ever having anything close to "fair and balanced", but Great Scott! Tonight, Bathtub Boy and the other
M.orons
S.ychophants
N.esciencers
B.low-hards
C.ozners
on this station is so fundamentally and intellectually wrong! Take away Obby's Thesaurus and he's a complete idiot, spouting off street hatred. They say nothing worth anything of substance.
Biden came off as slowly growing angry as Palin showed him up. It wasn't a cake walk as the media and Saturday Night Live said it was going to be. Seriously, to be a Dem must you also check your brains and morals at the door?
Damn..Morris getting nasty
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:43 ET by ckc1227Damn..Morris getting nasty with Colmes.
Colmes sounds scared..
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:44 ET by USA4freedomColmes sounds scared..
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
I love it!!
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:48 ET by PrairieSkyI can't stand Colmes!! He has been "stuck on stupid" for so long, I just can't stand him anymore. I wish he'd disappear...no one watches H&C to see him, they tune in to see Sean..Let's face it. I'm glad Dick Morris slapped him down-Someone should do it every day.
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
Morris got fed up. Thank God!
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:37 ET by attorneygirlI agree!
Dick Morris bitch slapped Alan Colmes.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
I was thrilled.
I'm sick and tired of sycophants like Alan Colmes. He's just a walking talking point.
colmes & morris
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:45 ET by porpoiseboythat was classic! i thought morris might kick him in the balls!! lol!! "don't you insult me with your talking points, if you want me for a guest talk to me & save your talking points that were handed to you for someone else"!!!
absolutely classic!
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.
Dick Morris , please NB
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:45 ET by general companyJust Bit$h slapped Allen Colmes. Wow you gotta cover this NB
I have never been a fan of Morris but this was great
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Dick Morris
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:45 ET by ConLosRepublicanosNoDick Morris just ate Alan Colmes alive.
Obama: "No, if we're going to ask questions about who is promulgating negative ads that are completely unrelated to the issues at hand, I think I win that contest pretty handily"
Ya know how many of us
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:52 ET by USA4freedomYa know how many of us have been looking for the next Reagan, She is not there “yet”, but she sounds closer then almost every one we have seen in the primaries.
That, there you go again looking backward.. remindes me of:Well..there.. you.. go.. again..
How much to we miss him.. the shining city on the hill..
I say lets make it Palin/ Mc Cain..
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Great to see you again USA
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:58 ET by general companyYour words are great
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
I heartily agree!!!!
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:58 ET by PrairieSkyI am desperately hoping that even if disaster strikes, and McCain loses, that that will not be the last that we see of Sarah Palin. She is terrific, and I think may be what many of us on the right have been waiting for. Win or lose, I hope that Sarah Palin is here to stay!!!
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
That was a great line.
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:31 ET by Hero SquadThat was a great line. Perhaps she should've added, "...to paraphrase Ronald Reagan." - subtle jab at Biden's penchant for failing to attribute quotes he uses as his own.
*****
"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
Gwen Ifill
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:52 ET by paulnashtnMajor surprize, Gwen Ifill was actually VERY good
VOTE REPUBLICAN
I wonder how she would have
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:53 ET by USA4freedomI wonder how she would have done if the spotlight was not on her???
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
Like a shoplifter....
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:25 ET by BlueCat57who knows they are being watched.
Did Palin support a Carbon Tax? Fanboys - "She's Great!"
Thu, 10/02/2008 - 23:56 ET by PopularTechI take it everyone here not paying enough for energy? Hey but she "hit a home run"! Man did she really memorize her lines well.
What part of carbon taxes/cap and trade do you people not understand will increase the cost you pay for energy?
What no curse words?
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:00 ET by nwahsLet me explain something FANBOY. You are a troll and anyone with a brain stem knows it TROLL. Now please post your 57 replies.
Does Palin Support Carbon Taxes?
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:01 ET by PopularTechAnswer the question tough guy.
Check out Nightline. Every
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:03 ET by TECheck out Nightline. Every person on the program, Democrat George Stephanopolous, Democrat Terry Moran, Democrat Donna Brazile and Democrat Matthew Dowd have all declared Biden "the winner".
Media La la land
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:07 ET by Dee BunkI bet they don't look to happy when they say it though
Dee
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 01:09 ET by well99Good link to the errors ....thank you
Get Used To it
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:28 ET by Gat New YorkFrank Luntz had equal amounts of left and right leaning independents and they overwhelmingly said Palin won.
But expect CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC and every major newspaper will outright lie, skew polls, and deceive the public that Biden won.
Did the idiots on Nightline mention even one lie by Biden - there were at least 10 solid ones.
The only thing we can take solace in is that the public votes and will not reflect any of these polls.
With a cute little checkmark...
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:39 ET by MexNobama...by his face...
You know when ABC does that it reminds me of this WWI political cartoon I once saw. It was German artist:
There was a skeleton dressed up in a WWI German soldier's uniform standing with a doctor who had jsut put a big "check"
on the skeleton's chart in order to approve him for duty.
The doctor is smiling, and of coruse so is the skeleton.
ABC's operating standards are about as objective as the doctor in that cartoon.
Let's give old Joe the thumbs up!!
Fanboys agree
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:07 ET by general companyYea, I am with you PT, lets polute every thing for the sake of cheap energy. When we could easly do both. I mean why bother?
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Moron - Carbon Dioxide is not Pollution!!!
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:17 ET by PopularTechBut since you failed science class why am I not suprised. Do you try to make yourself look as dumb as possible on purpose?
"CO2 for different people has different attractions. After all, what is it? - it’s not a pollutant, it’s a product of every living creature’s breathing, it’s the product of all plant respiration, it is essential for plant life and photosynthesis, it’s a product of all industrial burning, it’s a product of driving – I mean, if you ever wanted a leverage point to control everything from exhalation to driving, this would be a dream. So it has a kind of fundamental attractiveness to bureaucratic mentality." - Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Atmospheric Science, MIT
"Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant but a naturally occurring, beneficial trace gas in the atmosphere. For the past few million years, the Earth has existed in a state of relative carbon dioxide starvation compared with earlier periods. There is no empirical evidence that levels double or even triple those of today will be harmful, climatically or otherwise. As a vital element in plant photosynthesis, carbon dioxide is the basis of the planetary food chain - literally the staff of life. Its increase in the atmosphere leads mainly to the greening of the planet. To label carbon dioxide a "pollutant" is an abuse of language, logic and science." - Robert M. Carter, Ph.D. Palaeontology
- Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is a natural part of Earth's Atmosphere (NASA)
- Carbon Dioxide (CO2) levels in the atmosphere have risen from 0.028% to 0.038% (380ppm) over the past 100 years (IPCC)
- Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is not toxic until 5% (50,000ppm) concentration (Source)
- Any detrimental effects of Carbon Dioxide (CO2) including chronic exposure to 3% (30,000ppm) are reversible (Source)
- OSHA, NIOSH, and ACGIH occupational exposure standards are 0.5% (5,000 ppm) Carbon Dioxide (CO2) (Source)
The Kyoto Protocol is a treaty to regulate 'Greenhouse Gases' only:
- Carbon dioxide (CO2)
- Methane (CH4)
- Nitrous oxide (N2O) (Laughing Gas, Nitrous, NOS)
- Hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs)
- Perfluorocarbons (PFCs)
- Sulphur hexafluoride (SF6)
Car Exhaust consists of:
Harmless:
- Carbon dioxide (CO2)
- Nitrogen (N2)
- Water vapor (H2O)
Some Pollutants:
- Carbon monoxide (CO) *
- Hydrocarbons or Volatile Organic Compounds (VOCs) *
- Nitric oxide (NO) *
- Nitrogen dioxide (NO2) *
- Particulate matter (PM-10) *
- Sulfur dioxide (SO2) *
* Your car's Catalytic Converter removes about 95% of these pollutants by converting them to Water and Carbon Dioxide (CO2)
Smog consists of:
- Ozone (O3) * (formed from the photochemical reaction of Nitrogen dioxide (NO2) + Hydrocarbons)
- Particulate matter (PM-10) *
- Sulfur dioxide (SO2) *
* Air Pollution is already regulated in the: 1970 Clean Air Act (Amended: 1977, 1990)
Air Quality in America (PDF) (AEI)
- The United States has sharply reduced air pollution levels, despite large increases in nominally "polluting" activities (Source)
- Areas in the United States with the highest pollution levels have improved the most (Source)
- Air quality in the United States will continue to improve (Source)
- Regulators and environmental activists exaggerate air pollution levels and obscure positive trends in the United States (Source)
- Air pollution affects far fewer people, far less often, and with far less severity than is commonly believed. (Source)
So why are you so against it
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:17 ET by general companyMoron? BTW my name is Ron, but everyone calls me Mo, I dont know why.
You miss the point PT, seperating the crap from the C02 is the problem, but please enlighten us ALL on how that dont matter.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Are you dense?
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:34 ET by PopularTechDo you not understand what capping carbon emissions is? It is reducing CO2 nothing else. Pollution controls are already in place! It has nothing to do with pollution. What are talking about separating crap from CO2? You just keep embarrassing yourself with even more idiotic comments. Where you born this dumb?
must be
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 01:15 ET by general companyPollution controls are already in place!
So why do we still have BIG problems with smog in many of our cities?
signed, dense
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
CO2 has nothing to do with Smog!
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 02:15 ET by PopularTechSmog consists of:
- Ozone (O3) * (formed from the photochemical reaction of Nitrogen dioxide (NO2) + Hydrocarbons)
- Particulate matter (PM-10) *
- Sulfur dioxide (SO2) *
We don't have anywhere near the problems that we used to and air quality is getting better and better! None of which has anything to do with Carbon Dioxide (CO2)
Air Quality in America (PDF) (AEI)
- The United States has sharply reduced air pollution levels, despite large increases in nominally "polluting" activities (Source)
- Areas in the United States with the highest pollution levels have improved the most (Source)
- Air quality in the United States will continue to improve (Source)
- Regulators and environmental activists exaggerate air pollution levels and obscure positive trends in the United States (Source)
- Air pollution affects far fewer people, far less often, and with far less severity than is commonly believed. (Source)
GC,
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:38 ET by Indiana JoeJust caught my eye with "seperating the crap from the CO2 is the problem." Makes me say, "huh?"
The AGW attack is on CO2 only, as far as I've heard. That's the culprit they point to. The "crap" is separated ... well, ... separately.
In cars, it's taken care of in the catalytic converter, as PT said. You almost can't kill yourself with car exhaust anymore. Not that I recommend trying it....
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
I had no idea so many people did not know what CO2 is
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:48 ET by PopularTechMost people confuse it with Carbon Monoxide (CO) or just think it is pollution for no real reason. Wanting to ban Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is like banning water, nothing would grow and we would all die!
PT
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 01:04 ET by well99I am lousy in science but I know carbon monoxide you get from vehicle exhaust.We use to lose so many folks from carbon monoxide a year in Germany.That is why you left your window cracked with the heater running or hatch on the tank.Isnt carbon dioxide what plants use?
Correct, well99,
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 02:23 ET by Indiana JoeCO is poisonous in very small (relatively) doses.
CO2 is what plants breathe in to live. They breathe out O2. Nice symbiosis, huh? ;^)
CO2 is unavoidable when you burn fuel. Any fuel, anytime, anywhere. In fact, CO2 is the desired outcome of a well-balanced, efficient combustion process.
I posted a longer explanation somewhere around here...
<edit: Here it is!>
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
IJ
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 02:54 ET by well99I wasnt kidding.I am the pits in science.I do know about exhaust and its effect.If we were in a defensive position for the night with a heater running you had to have hatches open to let air in.
Are we polluting everything
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:24 ET by ckc1227Are we polluting everything now? And what does cap and trade have to do with pollution? It seeks o cap CO2, which isn't a pollutant.
Funny thing is Biden is against clean coal here at home, but he's all for it in China. He's pretty much against coal period. Hope the coal miners in WV keep that in mind on voting day.
Your right ckc
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:34 ET by general companyCapping C02 is not very importaint, maybe not even possable. So making a big deal about it is not very realistic, although, there are many items that could be eliminated via simple filters. Smog is particals in the air, sound good to you?
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Capping CO2 will INCREASE YOUR ENEGY COSTS!
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:37 ET by PopularTechNo shit it is not important but if they get this enacted your energy costs are going to go up, all in the name of environmentalism. What part of Capping CO2 has NOTHING TO DO WITH POLLUTION do you not understand?
It has nothing to do with smog you idiot!
PT,
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:55 ET by Indiana JoeEasy big fella. Less flies with vinegar, right? You can be persuasive when you tone it down a little. You convinced me on the bail-out, right? ;^)
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
Don't mind him... He don't
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:57 ET by contraryDon't mind him... He don't know no better. He be gettin it on with the money train and battlin the collective.
"I don't have time for this. You all can continue your co-dependency posts and make yourselves feel all chummy... Frankly, you all don't represent where America is going and you might as well get used to it."
--The Dooper
Capping CO2 will INCREASE YOUR ENEGY COSTS!
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 01:45 ET by general companyOur energy cost are going up daily, and it has nothing to do with C02. I think you have reached your content acumulation.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
GC,
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 02:02 ET by Indiana JoeThe cost will be passed on, from the production end right down to the street. That's simple economics.
You're right about our energy costs, but this won't help them. It's not even neutral. This would be in addition to the costs you're seeing now.
<edit: typo>
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
No kidding our energy costs are going up!
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 02:18 ET by PopularTechDo you want them to go up more and faster? Am I talking to the wall?
DO YOU WANT TO PAY EVEN MORE FOR ENERGY?
If the answer is yes than support capping carbon emissions.
Not if we generate the
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 10:17 ET by lotrNot if we generate the majority of our electricity from nuclear power.
And Darkness and Decay and the Red Death held illimitable dominion over all. -- Edgar Allan Poe
GC,
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:52 ET by Indiana JoeParticulates are already regulated, and watched very strictly in this country, at least.
Look, I work in a steel mill, major steel area, and formerly one of the dirtiest atmospheres in the country. I've spent years in combustion technology. I can tell you, nothing got my shop in an uproar quicker than any visible smoke coming from any of our reheat furnaces! It was "red-alert" time! We set up cameras so the bosses could monitor them visually. On the company intra-net... at home! No sh*t!
EPA has full authority to come into the plant at any time, and just sit and observe for any visible smoke or particulate matter coming from any stack. There are rows and rows of baghouses, filters, ID* fans, and keeping them running is the first priority. If an ID fan is down, they will not start a BOP vessel or a blast furnace until we get it running. No way, no how.
This is no joke to the company. I don't know if it's the fines, or the PR, but the idea that major industry just blows off whatever they want is a holdover from an earlier age.
I'm here to tell you, it don't work that way anymore. So rest easy.
CO2, OTOH, is a straw-man. It's harmless, just like PT posted. There's definitely more to this CO2 war than "pollution," coz pollution, it ain't.
<edit: sorry, forgot: * Induced Draft, necessary to force exhaust through bag-house filters before releasing CO2 to atmosphere.>
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
Thanks IJ
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 01:07 ET by general companyI know particles are monitored in big production. I have been responsible for these test in previous jobs. But most small Co do not fall under these regs, mostly because there are not the folks to do it.
But the real point I am trying to make Sarah did not say what that cap should be, nor did Biden, this is a fallacy. PT can rant all he wants, but quite honestly, (me being a country boy) we can have both, and your experience is proof of this.
Let me ask you a question, if your outfit refused to accommodate pollution, ( meaning hazard working conditions) do you think it would cost them more or less?
I have been there, killing your work force never pays.
BTW I worked Foundry, and Oil, Chemical production.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Hell!
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 01:46 ET by Indiana JoeHad a nice reply, and it went "pfft" when I hit the %$#! button.
Short recap: It costs a mint to build these big honking things, and run them, and maintain them, and there's the lost production when they break. Cheaper without them. Way cheaper, I'm sure. They fought like hell to not have to do it.
But they do it. It's unbelievably effective. But it costs, and that cost goes right down the line. To your car, your washer, your refrigerator, etc.
There still ain't no free lunch. CO2 and C&T is more of the same. Except it's useless in fighting real pollution, because CO2 is not pollution. All the cost (hell, MORE) and no benefit. NONE.
Look, we measure combustion by analyzing the exhaust. Free O2 means we're too lean, free CO means we're too rich. Combustion basically is O2 bonding chemically with C, nothing more. Any fuel. It's all carbon, in one form or another.
Pure CO2 is an indicator of complete combustion, ideal, perfect combustion. The cleanest combustion possible. There will always be CO2 emissions. There's only one way to eliminate them... besides not breathing, I mean.
Don't burn anything. Ever. Not in the mills, not in the power plants, not in your car. Not anywhere. Ever. C&T just shuffles money around. That's all it can accomplish. It's not "pollution control," it's not "efficiency," it's not even economics.
It's physics. And you can't legislate that.
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
Unbelievable! Capping Carbon Emissions means Regulating CO2
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 02:24 ET by PopularTechShe damn well said it!
Transcript of Palin, Biden debate
"IFILL: ...do you support capping carbon emissions?
PALIN: I do. I do."
THE FRICKIN CAP IS TO CONTROL CO2 EMMISSIONS!
The only fallacy is you think you know what you are remotely talking about.
PT,
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 04:39 ET by Indiana JoeNo wonder I can't sleep! You're typing too loud! ;^)
I gather you're watching the debate online? Or on TIVO?
Well, I mentioned elsewhere here, she pretty much had to. Mac's already said it, if she'd disagreed, it would have been "gotcha." Like "the Bush doctrine," remember? I know you don't like her, but hell, I even expect Obama to try his best.
Besides, c'mon, if I had a nickel for every time a politico made a vague promise and didn't do squat about it... know what I mean? She's just the VP candidate, for Pete's sake. When was the last time that really mattered? Yeah, Mac's old, but let's not bury him yet, okay? Kinda gruesome.
Right now, my main concern is making sure we don't end up with the Obammunist in the WH. What will that do for the economy? And it's pretty much a shoo-in for C&T if he gets in there. IMHO, that is.
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
Carbon tax and global warming...
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:10 ET by killbill2Again... JOHN MCCAIN, MOVE to the RIGHT! Cap and trade??? Are you serious??? Do you think 2.4 BILLION Chinese and Indians care at all about global warming? They're concerned with economic growth and that's it! This is another liberal/green folly. For God's sake... the Indian's can't even manage sewage. [No offense India, but have you smelled your citites?]
We need ALL OF THE ABOVE! Why??? Because Obama's 10 year plan is a pipe dream. We'll have no viable solutions in that time and gas @ $8.00/gal... unless you've got a windmill powered, solar, sail car... you're out of luck.
Exploring ALL of our domestic resources will diminish our dependency on foreign energy, keeping American dollars in America, while BUYING US TIME... to see what technologies might come to fruition.
I agree. Cap and trade is a
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:32 ET by ckc1227I agree. Cap and trade is a dumb idea. It's a job killer, it will raise energy costs, and frankly, it's based on a bogus premise. If McCain were smart, he'd drop it, and explain why. But he's not. He actually believes in this crap, at least he seems to, which sucks for us. But in the face of an economic crisis, maybe he'll change his mind. He has on drilling. I know Obama won't.
Agreed
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 01:00 ET by Indiana JoeC&T is the energy equivalent of the same "sounds-good-feels-good" thinking that gave us the CRA.
And look how good that's working out!
I'm afraid that McC's just going with the flow on this one. Hopefully, if he wins, he'll "moderate" his position.
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
Golly, you guys are being played
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 01:51 ET by general companyYou guys are letting PT minumize the great prefomance that Palin had, He hates her and is hoping you folks help him bash her.
Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Gen Co.
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 02:07 ET by MrShyPalin was so smart and sharp and cool and fresh and impressive.... and charming, to boot.
She ruled that room.
MCCAIN/PALIN '08 !!!!!!!
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Governor Palin Get Your Gun
GC,
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 02:15 ET by Indiana JoeHell, I like Palin, I don't care who doesn't. But that doesn't transfer to having to disagree with everything an anti-Palin person says, does it?
Of course not.
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
Over and Over again with the lies
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 02:28 ET by PopularTechFor the 1 Billionth time I have always thought her to be unqualified. Now she supports a plan that increases the costs I pay for energy and will further wreck the economy. Sorry if I don't support moronic policies.
I am hoping you "folks" will wake up to what is coming.
They are in favor of
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 10:21 ET by lotrThey are in favor of nuclear power, which is what this country needs.
And Darkness and Decay and the Red Death held illimitable dominion over all. -- Edgar Allan Poe
So, what you're telling
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:13 ET by ckc1227So, what you're telling us is the McCain/Palin ticket isn't a strict, Conservative ticket? Wow, who knew?
What part of "you're getting it either way" don't you understand? Cap and trade is McCain's deal, not her's. She didn't bring cap and trade to the ticket. We'd be getting it even if Santa Claus was his VP.
Heck, I think they've already slipped a carbon tax into the "bail out" bill that just passed the senate.
Yes they have...
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:21 ET by killbill2added that... and that's just another reason it needs to fail.
Again, JOHN MCCAIN MOVE TO THE RIGHT! I don't want to elect a centrist... It's pathetic that our political system has come to that! You want a politician that will say/do anything to get elected... vote Obama. Everytime Obama moves more to the middle, McCain needs to move to the right. He can't win in the middle with Obama...
Dumb as a Rock Palin Supports Capping Carbon Emissions!
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:14 ET by PopularTechTranscript of Palin, Biden debate
"IFILL: ...do you support capping carbon emissions?
PALIN: I do. I do."
Cap-and-Trade Could Cost the Average Family $10,800 in Lost Income (US Newswire)
$ - Electricity prices could jump 65% by 2015
$ - Gasoline prices could jump 37% by 2020
So True...
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:27 ET by killbill2And what sort of dent on global warming, if there is such a thing, will our 300 million conscientous green American's make on it when the rest of the world ignores it? Did you see the expose' on China leading up to the Olympics? ...that country runs on coal!
Well
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:42 ET by general company"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Sorry
Vote for Obama then
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:41 ET by general companyOhh, but he might actualy be serious about it.
Good luck
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
GC,
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 01:07 ET by Indiana JoeI don't think anyone here is advocating voting for Obama. But a lot of us are disappointed in McCain for various reasons, and the C&T thing is a big one.
Unlike the Obama camp, we don't feel obligated to defend Mac's every view and word. Well, I don't, anyway.
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
PT is not on our side
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 01:39 ET by general companyPT HATES Palin, listen to him and you loose the war.
Of course their is only PT's way, he is the allmighty around here.
But I will try anyway
You are from industry, are we doing it all wrong? Did not those health reg start showing up about 20 yrs ago? Dont your new workers laugh about the new procedures? Dont kill me here, I know, I have been their. PT doesnt know what is going on out here, he just rants about crap he has never had to deal with.
Caps=what? who knows, but I am pretty sure nobody is going to reg your Co out of Buisiness. But I could be wrong, been known to happen.
As far as McCain is concerned, I am so mad. Dont think for a second I will let him of the hook. I have e-mailed him twice while writing this.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
GC,
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 02:12 ET by Indiana JoeYeah, I noticed that PT doesn't like Palin. He's not crazy about McCain. Neither am I, truth be told. I'm tired of voting against socialists, and hoped this time would be better... but I guess I can take one more for the team... the country, I should say.
But, that doesn't mean he's always wrong. On the C&T thing, he's dead on. I was a little delayed replying to your post above, and I'm way past ready for bed. And I had some trouble. Read it for details.
But C&T is a non-answer to a non-problem. It's a pure cash machine, far as I can tell, because it won't, it can't, do anything about real "pollution." Limiting CO2 won't change a thing, even if we could do it.
I'll try to check back here tomorrow, but it's going to be a busy day around here. Have a good night.
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
Cap and Trade is Socialistic Control of the Economy
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 02:47 ET by PopularTechGlobal Warming Equals Socialism (NewsMax)
Global Warming: Socialism’s Trojan Horse (Eric Englund, MBA)
Socialism's Trojan horse (WorldNetDaily)
I am on my own side apparently - Cap and Trade is Socialism
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 02:38 ET by PopularTechAgain please stop lying, I have never hated her, I have always found her unqualified. What war are you fighting? Liberal McCain vs Socialist Obama?
You have no remote idea what Cap and Trade does! It sets an amount of CO2 your company is "allowed" to emit by socialist central planners in the EPA or whatever new environmental leftists organization they set up. If you fall below these limits you can sell the difference to those who emit too much, who can waste money buying yours. You know who will get hit the hardest? Coal generating power plants where we generate 48% of domestic eletricity! Not paying enough for your electrical bill? Well you will get your wish and pay more! The great part about the scheme is that the socialist central planners can set limits based on arbitrary means. Guess who they will target the hardest? If you have ever wanted Socialism to take over, give them control of our energy supplies.
Again please stop
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 02:54 ET by general companyAgain please stop lying, I have never hated her, I have always found
her unqualified.
OK sorry, was hard to tell
What war are you fighting? Liberal McCain vs Socialist
Obama?
Well, I could ask you the same thing PT
You have no remote idea what Cap and Trade does! It sets an amount
of CO2 your company is "allowed" to emit by socialist central planners
in the EPA or whatever new environmental leftists organization they set
up. If you fall below these limits you can sell the difference to those
who emit too much, who can waste money buying yours. You know who will
get hit the hardest? Coal generating power plants where we generate 48%
of domestic eletricity! Not paying enough for your electrical bill?
Well you will get your wish and pay more! The great part about the
scheme is that the socialist central planners can set limits based on
arbitrary means. Guess who they will target the hardest? If you have
ever wanted Socialism to take over, give them control of our energy
supplies.
You pretend that our U bills are not going up now. This sure has nothing to do with it. You are a smart person PT, how about you start looking into energy that weens us off of foriegn oil. Would love to here your take on these. Thanks
Thanks, Gnight
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
GC,
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 09:10 ET by Indiana JoeAgain (coz I don't know where you'll start back up but I don't want to be too repetitive), not only is this completely unrelated, good or bad, to what's going on with energy costs now, it neither will, nor can, nor is meant to, affect that.
However, it will add to those costs once implemented, and will be in addition to any increase in costs we're seeing now. In common parlance, this is known as "piling on."
To repeat, C&T has no effect on current energy prices, and the only effect it can possibly, guaranteedly, have on future prices is to raise them even more.
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
PT,
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 08:44 ET by Indiana JoeI'm on your side on this. Not only do I consider C&T useless environmentally, I see the costs, and know who will pay them in the end.
"It sets an amount of CO2 your company is "allowed" to emit by socialist central planners in the EPA or whatever new environmental leftists organization they set up. If you fall below these limits you can sell the difference to those who emit too much, who can waste money buying yours."
Okay, I'm kinda lazy when it comes to research, but this is exactly what I expected C&T to be. Just "carbon credits" writ large and enforced by federal mandate. I wasn't 100% sure, but I was pretty certain it was this.
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
Well, PT,
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 01:03 ET by Indiana JoeWhat choice did she have? She was there to represent "the ticket." She can't distance herself from McCain on anything.
But I'll bet they were hoping she would. Then... gotcha!
It was a no-win, bound to be some of those.
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
Indiana
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 10:46 ET by lotr"She was there to represent 'the ticket'."
You make it sound like "poor Sarah -- she has that freakin monkey McCain on her back."
Fact check: She wasn't obliged to join "the ticket" -- she was asked, she presumably thought about it, and then she accepted, knowing full well what "acceptance" entails. If she thought McCain were a "socialist" or "RINO" (as has been recklessly and hyperbolically parotted around here), then she could have, nay she should have, politely said "thanks, but no thanks." Or are we now implying that Palin is a socialist too? If it weren't for McCain, someone who demonstrates even at his ripe old age that he has balls enough to take the risk as selecting an unknown, upstart woman governor from Alaska, she would still be the unknown Governor of Alaska. Her rise to national prominence is because of McCain -- something that seems to be conveniently forgotten around here, and something that PT considers to be an argument for opposing McCain -- she is an "affirmative action pick." Are you in agreement with that Joe?
And Darkness and Decay and the Red Death held illimitable dominion over all. -- Edgar Allan Poe
MSNBC
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:02 ET by nyxiegryphRachel Maddow actually said Palin was "inhuman and like a character"...."jaw dropping ...that she wants to expand the powers of the vice presidency." WHERE does MSNBC get these people?
They get them....
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:18 ET by BlueCat57by scrapping off the bottom of the stable boy's shoes.
10 major lies by Biden
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:05 ET by Dee Bunksee them here
Thanks Dee
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:12 ET by general companyCool
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Thanks Dee. I just wonder
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:41 ET by motherbeltThanks Dee.
I just wonder if they will ever see the light of day, in a way that will make them common knowledge.
Ah, no need to wonder, I guess.
Right MB - they'll Fact check Palin
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:47 ET by Dee Bunkwith things that are opinion and call her opinion wrong, but with Biden actual facts that can be proven wrong with the voting record and other tangible things will be ignored
Grading the VP Debate
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:11 ET by third eyeThe Gaffe Master General, B-
Barracuda, B+
O'Reilly on Congresscritter Barney Frank (dRAT)
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:16 ET by OneLoyalAmericanCongresscritter Frank demonstrated he is the obsessive, self-centered jerk that we always thought he was.
To O'Reilly's credit, Bill was a bit calmer than I would have been in that interview.
OLA
Oh yea
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:44 ET by general companyMuch cooler
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Loyal
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 01:07 ET by well99I thought it was great!Wish I had made some popcorn though.
Listening to some folks,
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:18 ET by ckc1227Listening to some folks, it's interesting to hear them say Biden won because he gave the more detailed, more knowledgeable answers, but those same people said McCain lost, even though he gave the more detailed, more knowledgeable answers, lol. It's also interesting to hear them say she was just reciting talking points, but Joe "the policies of the last 8 years" Biden was speaking truth to power.
Too too funny.
ckc1227,
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 01:12 ET by Indiana Joe"Those same people" made their calls a few hours before the debates. Maybe weeks, or even months. ;^)
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
She kicked his ass.
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:21 ET by attorneygirlI was very proud of Governor Palin. She knocked it out of the park.
Finally, we see Governor Palin unfiltered, speaking her mind, showing her confidence, and speaking truth.
And she made great attacks on Biden and Obama.
And Biden made out-and-out lies during the debate.
Once again, he showed he is a big windbag.
She showed him up.
And how long has he been debating?
Hasn't he run for President twice? How many debates does he have under his belt?
She kicked his ass.
Proud of Dick Morris kicking Alan Colmes' butt.
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:26 ET by attorneygirlI was very proud of Dick Morris for not taking Alan Colmes' pathetic brainless talking points.
I was thrilled!
I'm sick and tired of Colmes sycophant talking points. It's pathetic.
I loved it.
Go Dick Morris!!!!!
He finally got fed up.
I also saw O'Reilly chew up and spit out Barney Frank. Barney Frank is a criminal. He needs to be hung in the town square. I mean it. Literally.
I'm ready to go there. Town square.
Pitchforks anyone?
I'm serious.
(Only I've got to run a law practice to make money so I can pay my damn taxes.....)
"I was very proud of Dick
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 00:37 ET by ckc1227"I was very proud of Dick Morris for not taking Alan Colmes' pathetic brainless talking points."
Colmes in his talking points there was saying that McCain voting against minimum wage increases was a slap at the middle class. Since when is earning minimum wage "middle class"?
It seems like just months
Fri, 10/03/2008 - 01:36 ET by MrSnugglesIt seems like just months ago the left had declared the middle class dead. What happened? I have never heard them talk about the middle class more than they do now.