For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: Would Democrats ever win national elections if the media weren't biased?
If virtually every major press outlet in the country wasn't so obviously in the tank for Obama, would someone with so little experience have gotten beyond the Iowa caucuses or New Hampshire primaries? If media had done their job and properly exposed Obama's connections to Rev. Wright, William Ayers, Tony Rezko, Franklin Raines, and Jim Johnson, would he even be in this race?
At the Congressional level, if media outlets exposed how Democrats have blocked Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac reform for many years, and are FAR more responsible for today's financial crisis than the Republicans, would we be looking at the possibility of a GOP landslide in five weeks rather than the Democrats getting a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate?
If your answers to these question are "No, No, No, and Yes" respectively, what does it say about America in 2008, and what can possibly be done to fix the problem?




















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Really?
September 30, 2008 - 10:49 ET by arkansaszippersDoes everybody really feel that all of Obama's success to get to this point can be directly and solely attributed to a biased media? I'm asking an honest question here; I'm not looking for insults, just opinions.
AZ
September 30, 2008 - 10:56 ET by Noel SheppardAZ,
Yep. Let me ask you a different question, if Obama was white with the very same credentials and connections to radical figures and folks so integrally tied to corruption in the Chicago area as well as Fannie Mae, would he have gotten through the primaries?
Obama is a media creation -- period. Without their support the past 18 months, he would have been out of the race by February. ns
»→ You're right Noel
September 30, 2008 - 11:46 ET by Cool ArrowUnder the same set of circumstances, as a white man, I'm thinking that "joined at the hip to David Duke" thing might throw a little kink in my campaigning.
"I've got a bracelet too" - Barack Obama
Noel, if it weren't for the MSM, Obama would still be...
September 30, 2008 - 12:18 ET by R D Helm...teaching training classes at ACORN.
-Dave
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Even at this late date...
September 30, 2008 - 14:43 ET by PrairieSkythe idea that Obama may actually end up as president just boggles my mind. The fact that he managed to not only survive the primaries, but actually win the nomination, is nothing short of shocking...Just ask Hillary.
When Obama first announced he was running, I thought then, and still do, that he was a lightweight with lofty aspirations for unattainable goals. I firmly believed that he would be gone after the first round of primaries. As the weeks went on, and it became clear that the MSM was firmly behind him, the realization that there is no way that he would have achieved what he did in the primaries without the media's help, became clear.
Noel, your statement that Barack Obama is a media creation is dead on. No truer statement about him can be made. I keep hoping that the spell that he has cast (with the help of his media flunkies), on so many in this country, will break before it's too late, and he's actually elected president.
There is one thing that I wish someone could explain to me, at this point in the election...I cannot understand why it is that Obama appears to be benefiting from the voters' uncertainty and turmoil concerning the country's current economic crisis. What is it about Barack Obama that makes voters think that he has the better answers to these problems? Where in his background is there anything that makes these people think, for one moment, that he has one iota of training or experience, that would make him the best choice to deal with this, or any other crisis situation that our country would face?
I am at a complete loss to see or understand any of whatever it is about Obama that so many have seem to have convinced themselves of.
Lacking that, at this point, I am just trying to have faith that things will turn out for the best for our country. Because there is one thing that I am sure of...Barack Obama is not the answer.
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
PrairieSky
October 1, 2008 - 00:28 ET by JudithMy thoughts exactly. Are half of this country mental cases? I do not buy newspapers, listen to CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN etc. If all conservatives, Repubs, right leaning indies did this for four years it would affect these retards. There has to be a way to get these guys. Lets not participate and let them just do whatever they please, I think it would get to them more than anything. Oduma is an insane meglomaniac and really needs a psych eval.
Media and race
September 30, 2008 - 11:11 ET by Indiana JoeI believe that, yes. I think his race has garnered him much more media attention than a first-term Senator deserves. And I think that attention is the only real reason he won the nomination.
Why this infatuation with Obama? Let me ask you an honest question, no insults, just your opinion: To what do you attribute Obama's success? Honestly. Which policies, what attributes, what does he bring to the table that makes him uniquely suited to be in this unique position right now, as a fledgling Senator?
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Hmm...
September 30, 2008 - 11:21 ET by arkansaszippersI think a lot of it can be attributed to his demeanor coupled with the fact that many people see John McCain as an extention of the Bush administration. Just for starters. I don't think it's right to vote based on personality, but that's the reality of the country; always has been. I think one of the reasons he's in this position is because it seemed easiest to make him seem the most presidential, when compared to the other Democratic canidates.
AZ
September 30, 2008 - 11:32 ET by Noel SheppardAZ,
You missed my point totally. How he looks compared to McCain would be irrelevant if he had been exposed as an empty suit before the primaries and caucuses. Furthermore, the reason he looked more "presidential" next to Edwards, Clinton, and Biden was BECAUSE of the media sycophancy. If they had exposed his lack of experience and connections to nefarious entities, he wouldn't have looked so "presidential" would he? ns
I agree with that, but
September 30, 2008 - 11:37 ET by arkansaszippersWhat I'm getting at is that a lot of people in this country don't really follow any issues whatsoever, and vote either along party lines or for whichever canidate seems like the best guy. His personality alone just rubs some people the right way. It's like the Kennedy debate against Nixon: people who heard the debate on radio thought Nixon won, while the poeple who saw it on TV thought Kennedy won. People just have an idea in their head of what a president should be like, regardless of issues, and Obama fits that bill for a lot of people. That's just my opinion.
AZ,
September 30, 2008 - 11:47 ET by Indiana JoeSo, what you're saying is, politics is all about perception, right? Okay, I can agree with that, I believe it myself.
Which brings us back to the original concept: How big a hand did the media have in creating that perception for Obama? We here feel it was a huge hand. It started long before the Republican race was settled, so it wasn't just a comparison to McCain. Obama, we feel, was selected by the media, annointed if you will, and promoted by them.
Would you, generally, agree with that assessment? If so, then his charisma doesn't seem to answer the question of "why?" The media can create the perception of charisma, so they shouldn't really be affected by it. It's a tool of politicians to get votes. Why would the media single out Obama for it's "helping hand?"
Inquiring minds and all.... ;^)
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Media
September 30, 2008 - 11:59 ET by arkansaszippersDon't get me wrong, I think the media has a huge hand in everything. I just don't believe that the spin is only on one side. Election season is basically just a constant back and forth war to discredit everybody but your candidate, and I think the media has a hand in that on both sides. I try to take everything I read or hear or see on TV with a grain of salt, because there really is very little straight news anymore. It's just what our country has come to; the natural progression of a capitalistic society. And that isn't a knock on capitalism either. I think it is just a byproduct.
And if the media helped create Obama, he was chosen because he already had natural qualities that are known to play well with the public.
MSM since day one
September 30, 2008 - 12:28 ET by SouthJersey1953Since day one, the MSM has been painting BHO as the President. When they refuse to report on anything negative about him and only show positive news clips, it only helps to lift him up. That is the only reason that he beat out Hillary for the nomination. Like someone else (most eveyone else) said earlier, if they had vetted him like they do most candidates, he never would have gotten past Iowa.
McCain/PALIN '08
PALIN/Jindal '12
SJ1953
September 30, 2008 - 13:09 ET by Indiana Joe"...if they had vetted him like they do most candidates,..."
You left out something:
"...if they had vetted him like they do most Republican candidates,..."
Fixed it for ya. ;^)
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Media on both sides
September 30, 2008 - 13:07 ET by Indiana JoeOkay, I'm going to assume you mean that there are two "media" in the country, liberal-biased and conservative-biased. If you mean that "the MEDIA" just bounces back and forth in who they push, feel free to correct me. But I don't think you mean that, it doesn't make much sense IMO.
So, ABC pushes the Dems. Fox pushes the Reps. CNN pushes the Dems. The Washington Times pushes the Reps. CBS pushes the Dems. Rush Limbaugh pushes the Reps. The NYT pushes the Dems. NBC pushes the Dems. MSNBC pushes the Dems. AP pushes the Dems. The LAT pushes the Dems. The Washington Post pushes the Dems. Warren Buffett pushes the Dems. The Boston Globe pushes the Dems. The Chicago Sun-Times pushes the Dems. PBS pushes the Dems. George Soros pushes the Dems. The Miami Herald pushes the Dems. The Detroit Free-Press pushes the Dems.
I think you get my point. Even if there are a few "right" biased press organs, it's far from an "even-steven" situation. And much like a football game where one team has 18 men on the field, while the other has 4, the outcome is pretty much a done deal. I think a game where each team has 11 is a much better way to find out which team is "best"... for anything.
I also think capitalism has nothing to do with this. The Big 3 Network news organizations are losing viewers. The NYT is hemorhaging cash.
Look at how successful Fox became, virtually overnight. That's because there was a huge market that was untapped. Ignoring a sizeable portion of the marketplace is hardly a text-book example of capitalism. Look at Limbaugh. A self-described "harmless little fuzzball" from a small town in Missouri is now the most listened to political pundit on the planet, and rich, rich, rich! Why? Because there was a huge market that no one else would bother with. Why has "liberal" talk-radio failed every time it's been tried? Market saturation, pure and simple. They say nothing different than you can hear or read just about anywhere else. They just tried saying it louder.
If money were the motive, why limit your customer base with ideology? No, it's because the ideology, the power to "shape history," is more attractive to some mind-sets than mere money.
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Here
September 30, 2008 - 13:12 ET by arkansaszippersOk, just watch this (don't worry, it's short). I think this illustrates what I'm getting at about sides. I think this addresses both sides. And no, this is not the extent of my political philosophy; it just has a lot of truth to it, and besides, it's funny. Who doesn't enjoy a little Carlin from time to time?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jqa6lnk97Bc
Election season is
September 30, 2008 - 17:47 ET by motherbeltElection season is basically just a constant back and forth war to
discredit everybody but your candidate, and I think the media has a
hand in that on both sides.- Arkansaszippers
I agree with the first part of your statement. It's like a see-saw. But I thoruoghly disagree with your "on both sides" qualification. a
The media have definitely sat on the opposite side of the seesaw, first holding down the other Democrats, and now John McCain, so that they can never push it up off the ground. As a result, Obama is constantly being held aloft.
AZ
September 30, 2008 - 11:48 ET by Noel SheppardAZ,
But that's still irrelevant to your original question. You asked if folks here really believed that Obama was all a media creation, correct? I said, "Yes" because if the media had done their job when he first announced his candidacy, he would have dropped out of the race likely in February BEFORE most people got engaged in this process. Period. ns
Hickzippers
October 1, 2008 - 00:43 ET by JudithAnd a vast number vote because they think he's "cute". I think he is so ugly that I will never look at him no matter what. UGH!
Judith:
October 1, 2008 - 10:54 ET by j. frank wilson"Hickzippers?" You are as classless as you are clueless.
ArkZipper
October 1, 2008 - 01:05 ET by MrShy"People just have an idea in their head of what a president should be like"
They should, in a perfect world, but in the case of Obama, with the mighty help of the MSM's coddling and cloaking of him, in reality it's all about what a president looks, talks, walks and sounds like.
If people really care about what a president should *BE* like, this man would be rejected by almost every citizen of the U.S..
A president should "be" someone with integrity, core beliefs about how to govern, with relatively few skeleton's in the closet and relatively few and minor past associations (as no politician is ever snow-white clean... well, except seemingly this new Palin gal. :p)
Absolutely none of the above criteria apply to Empty O-Force One.
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AZ, another question for you
September 30, 2008 - 11:39 ET by mom_roxDo you think the media had a role in affecting the Democratic primary results?
I understand your comment regarding Obama's demeanor. Is this what gave hime the edge over Hillary Clinton's expertise (or whatever you consider Clinton's best asset) or was there influence from the media?
regarding Barack Obama's tax plan - I never received a job from a poor person.
It's hard to say
September 30, 2008 - 11:46 ET by arkansaszippersIt's hard to say for sure. It could have been that, or it could have been the choice between either a black man or a woman; I think men still have the edge in this country, regardless of race. That, and a lot people didn't seem to like Hillary very much; she just seemed to have that certain something.
"Does everybody really feel
September 30, 2008 - 11:36 ET by celator"Does everybody really feel that all of Obama's success..."
Your question is a tad loaded (all???), but I'll give you my observation.
One can see data reported here and in other sites which suggest two phenomena:
1. The MSM tells only part of the truth about Obama. They tread lightly on his bizarre multiple associations with radicals, ACORN, Rezco, etc etc. You know the list. One has to do one's own research to get a full-bodied understanding of what Obama's full story is all about. The MSM is simply not doing their job in this matter. Period. The reasons are multiple, but the result is clear.
2. They are generally ferociously negative toward McCain/Palin, both in headlines written and in story content--more so with Palin than McCain since she came on the scene. I've done my own content analysis in regional newspapers, and the bias against McCain-Palin is simply breathtaking.
There are so many examples of this curious bias reported on this site, and others, one would have to be brain dead to not notice.
Glenn Beck has a bit where he reads the McCain-Obama headlines in the previous day's newspapers, and the bias--pro-Obama, con-McCain-- is so stark it borders on the pathological. It's worth a listen.
The major media report only half the news. Why are they surprised they have only half the potential audience?
The really ridiculus part
September 30, 2008 - 11:38 ET by dscottThe really ridiculus part of this is McCain actually has the advantage IF he were to exert himself.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
Yes, this is where we look
September 30, 2008 - 11:46 ET by celatorYes, this is where we look for leadership, and McCain must begin to display it consistently. It's my issue with him (among many other issues). This is the time to step up, clear the air, move forward, persuade voters, focus on themes, think big, be convincing. We are waiting, John.
Tell your bow-tied advisors to get lost. Man up to the challenge.
And if he wins the election, we have to be on him like white on rice. Make him accountable, and make his life miserable if he strays, politically.
The major media report only half the news. Why are they surprised they have only half the potential audience?
Yes you idiot
September 30, 2008 - 11:43 ET by cvgbuckeyeAnyone this niave desreves to be insulted. Let me ask YOU something: JUST LOOK AT THESE (PEOPLE?); Harry Reid - Nancy Pelosi - Barney Frank and yes Barack Hussein Obama. There is not another nation in the free world that would put these people in offfice, let alone retain them. Save the MSM being 100% in the tank for liberals. Thanks to the MSM, we are no longer a representative democracy OR a republic. Voters have been supplanted by a Pravda style propaganda machine called the MSM and the election of our officials is no longer in our hands. The United States of America Democracy has passed. Long live the Brownshirts.
Look at this
September 30, 2008 - 11:48 ET by arkansaszippersYou could easily make the same argument about the possibility of any other country electing George W. Twice.
You forgot
September 30, 2008 - 12:20 ET by cvgbuckeyeYou forgot to say: Wullll now Haliburton and and and Dick Cheney shooting people and and and that criminal Karl Rove and and BOOOSH got drunk and and BOOOOSH stole the election........TWICE and and and.
PLEEEEEEZE!
Do you know that there have been over 60 thwarted terrorist attacks in the past seven years. That alone is enough that I would vote for BOOOOOSH again.
Ok...
September 30, 2008 - 12:26 ET by arkansaszippersThat's fine. I'm just saying the argument could be made.
Do you think those are the first thwarted terrorist attacks in history?
Do you think those are the
September 30, 2008 - 12:46 ET by Roger the ShrubberDo you think those are the first thwarted terrorist attacks in history?
What does that matter? Oh, right. It doesn't.
You made a claim that Chimpy McHitler is a dumbass. You were shown to be wrong. Now you move the goalpost to "Chimpy McHitler is no better than those countless presidents who must have thwarted terrorist attacks on US soil".
Now YOU sound like a dumbass. That argument most definitely can be made.
Chill out
September 30, 2008 - 12:54 ET by arkansaszippersFirst of all, I was making the claim that you could make a similar argument about Bush's electability in other countries; I wasn't calling anybody a dumbass. Get over yourself.
ark, your fly is open.
September 30, 2008 - 13:07 ET by R D HelmAnd Rog just took you to school.
If I were you, I think I'd pay attention.
-Dave
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How?
September 30, 2008 - 13:26 ET by arkansaszippersHow did I just get "taken to school?" By being called a dumbass?
Damn, zippy. You're hopeless.
September 30, 2008 - 17:03 ET by R D Helm:-O
-Dave
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Dude, you've been nuggied.
September 30, 2008 - 17:25 ET by celatorDude, you've been nuggied. Several times. Recess is over, go back to class. And drink more milk.
The major media report only half the news. Why are they surprised they have only half the potential audience?
Your argument was made, and
September 30, 2008 - 13:20 ET by Roger the ShrubberYour argument was made, and was found to be lacking.
Perhaps you need to reconsider your decision to expose yourself to criticism, seeing that your ego is inadequate to handle it.
cvg,
September 30, 2008 - 11:51 ET by Indiana Joe"Voters have been supplanted by a Pravda style propaganda machine called the MSM and the election of our officials is no longer in our hands."
Here's a good place to vent on that topic.
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
az... Here's an honest
September 30, 2008 - 11:52 ET by Clear thinkeraz...
Here's an honest answer. Obama has two things going for him. He has good oratory skills, and the media. That's it!
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We beg to differ!
September 30, 2008 - 12:00 ET by JWFThat accent that cannot be placed anywhere in the U.S. The quick finish at the end of a sentence. You are buying into the media hype on his oratory skills too. The media says that. I want to slap the man when I hear his speeches. It is grating.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Speech
September 30, 2008 - 12:08 ET by arkansaszippersHow did you feel when you heard George Bush stumble through a speech? Did you vote for him?
AZ,
September 30, 2008 - 13:18 ET by Indiana JoeNow you're letting yourself get led away from a serious discussion of this. You sound like you're saying that how someone says something is more important than what he says. Bush is not eloquent, we noticed, we get it. But what he means can be understood, and conservatives tend to agree with many of his opinions. Painting the opposition as dumb is no way to have a productive debate.
OTOH, people have been swooning over Obama's "speaking skills." When you claim, or assign someone, a talent, it isn't hard to understand that they will be expected to display that talent. The media has gushed over Obama's "eloquence" repeatedly and continuously. When he stumbles, people will notice, just like someone billed as the "fastest runner" will be mocked for taking 30 seconds to run 100 yards.
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Zip
September 30, 2008 - 12:30 ET by well99I cant speak for everyone but my view is that without the media he would of gone no where.With Rezko connections and ties to Bill Ayers Biden would of had more votes.Also look at his connection with Acorn.How many times have they had people convicted or on trial for voter fraud.If you look at his record of taking care of people in his district it is terrible.The msm has been running interference for him since the start.If they had put as much effort vetting him as Sara he wouldnt of stood a chance.Good question though.
AZ
September 30, 2008 - 13:10 ET by RESTLESS 1C'mon man, lets be real here. If any republican had the kinds of ties, coupled with the lack of experience, he would have been forced out before he started. Yes, the msm ignoring these glaring facts about st obama is the only reason we know his name.
"This liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Obama and the biased media
September 30, 2008 - 13:19 ET by U.B. ZangaIt is difficult to imagine someone so inexperienced, unaccomplished, and indecisive in the role of our President. The media's emotionally charged excitement and traditional leftward bias coupled with Obama's natural appeal to young voters appears responsible for the fact that we have to take his prospects seriously. We need to admit that there is a market for political emotionalism and crass "news" and "analysis" (e.g., if the National Enquirer can generate interest in marital infidelities--real and invented--why not the New York Times?) but, based on multi-year ratings declines, the "Blue" (politically speaking) Media are crowding an overserved market. As a media consumer, I believe we now have more choices that ten years ago. As we leave the "Blue Media", those who remain expect more strident defense of their irrationalities and the observed polarization results. Hence, Obama's political prospects are pursued with frenetic fanaticism and there is little we can do except fight back with facts and judgement.
Hickzippers
October 1, 2008 - 00:21 ET by JudithHELL YES!!!!!!
Subversives for Obama
September 30, 2008 - 10:50 ET by GothampcAnother excellent piece by Melanie Phillips.
Pieces like this prove how the media hates America. If they can speak out about Obama trouble over in Britain, why can't they do it here?
Ms. Phillips ends the piece:
"And yet despite all of this, virtually no-one in the mainstream media is asking any questions. Has there ever been a more staggering, surreal and scary race to the White House?"
http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/2178136/subversives-for-obama.thtml
Goth
September 30, 2008 - 12:34 ET by well99Good link thanks.
»→ Obama smart move
September 30, 2008 - 10:55 ET by Cool ArrowMcCain's twisting in thewind trying to explain how we really need a bailout.
But Obama's soundbite of the day is that we need to increase FDIC protection to $250,000. Simple and easy to understande.
Advantage Obama.
"I've got a bracelet too" - Barack Obama
Side Issues
September 30, 2008 - 11:08 ET by GothampcObama's soundbite illustrates how Democrats think. They try to push through side issue items in times of perceived crisis. FDIC is really a side issue at the moment that can be dealt with at a later time.
Another illustration is voter fraud. In 2000, the Democrats screamed they were going to revamp the voting system so that everyone was sure their vote was counted. Eight years later we still haven't seen it. When Republicans make suggestions like providing id when citizens vote, Democrats scream murder.
It goes beyond that. When
September 30, 2008 - 11:36 ET by SmartypantsIt goes beyond that. When Obama tells everyone he's going to cut taxes for 95% of the population, the media scoops it up like it's an absolute fact. No questions asked. If a Republican candidate for office made this same claim, all other things being equal, the media would be screaming about how irresponsible it is to cut taxes in the face of budget deficits. They would further question how the tax cuts would be fairly spread out. Republicans are scrutinized at every turn; Democrats are taken at face value.
95% get tax cut
September 30, 2008 - 12:36 ET by SouthJersey1953The thing that gets me about his stupid "95% of the people will get a tax cut" is that the MSM REFUSES to mention that this is true ONLY after he repeals the Bush tax cut (which translates to a net tax increase).
McCain/PALIN '08
PALIN/Jindal '12
Cool,
September 30, 2008 - 17:09 ET by R D HelmI heard today that the repubs first proposed to put that provision in yeasterday's bill, but the dems rejected it.
Actually, I am on the fence about this. I realize that depositors need some reassurance right now, but the libertarian in me balks at using taxpayer funds for bailouts of any kind, which is what the FDIC will be doing for the depositors who have money in banks that go under.
And you are right about McCain. He isn't looking too sure of himself in all this.
LOL-He should have heeded my advice and stayed the hell away from DC during all this.
-Dave
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honor
September 30, 2008 - 11:01 ET by MazziI have been screaming at the TV for a week now - there is only ONE thing that can get through. McCain. He MUST get off his "honorable notions" and tell the truth, even if he has to say mean things about others. The TRUTH! No one else can do it.
Right now, even the biased media is not so far gone that they will not air McCain's comments. Palin has been "put in her place" so firmly by the media, that she can not do it. Anything she says will be negated by a spot of lipstick on her tooth, or something else equally as ridiculous. That's not to say that she is a deflated balloon - far from it, but the media will mock her to the point that no one hears the message.
The media can block lesser politician's comments, but they can not block McCain.
And What does McCain do? He goes out there and takes the Charlie Brown wishy-washy stance. I am FURIOUS! McCain.. you MUST tell the truth! Even if it's seems dishonorable. It is your DUTY to the American people to keep Obama and his cronies out of power.
If you readers agree, I beg you to write to McCain and say just that. His sense of "honor" is going to get us all screwed, and HE is the only one who can protect us. As much as I hate to say that, it is the truth.
"I've now been in 57 states -- I think one left to go." ~ Barrack Hussein Obama ~
"You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.... I'm not joking." ~ Sen. Joe Biden
agree, Mazzi
September 30, 2008 - 11:45 ET by mom_roxWhat happened to John McCain's Straight Talk? It was completely absent at the debate. In the past, he has framed his points with talking directly to Americans with Straight Talk.
regarding Barack Obama's tax plan - I never received a job from a poor person.
Pass the word
September 30, 2008 - 15:13 ET by MazziI sent a plea to McCain begging him to use his ability as the ONLY person who can break through the MSM's wall of silence and tell the American public the truth. I specifically appealed to his honor - that the American people need him to do this, even if it means being disloyal to some of his friends in politics.
I have sent emails to everyone I know asking them to email McCain about this too.
Please pass the word. http://www.johnmccain.com/Contact/
"I've now been in 57 states -- I think one left to go." ~ Barrack Hussein Obama ~
"You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.... I'm not joking." ~ Sen. Joe Biden
Mazzi reply
October 1, 2008 - 00:56 ET by JudithI already have twice. Everyone on this blog, email McCain at : info@johnmccain.com. Let him have it, I did.
Absolutely spot on!
September 30, 2008 - 11:04 ET by c5thenWithout the MSM stacking the deck and effectively hiding information from the lazy ill-informed public, the liberals wouldn't have a chance at getting elected, let alone re-elected.
The democrats have been running on a platform of 'free money' for whomever they happen to be speaking to for the last 40 years (at least).
Not totally, but its helping.
September 30, 2008 - 11:08 ET by MeanderingIts not all thanks to the media. He is an enthusiastic speaker and an intelligent individual (he is connected to the right people, but we are unable to officially stick him to these questionable people). However, you cannot take the media away from his rise to stardom. Would he be where he is without the media maybe, but it wouldn't nearly be as close as it is, in fact McCain might be running against Hillary right now, but you never now.
So is it thanks to the media we have Obama, probably, but I don't think we can pin all of his success to the media.
Will make ya Puke....Our Future
September 30, 2008 - 11:16 ET by sjanus11These Commie Pinkos, complain about torture at Gitmo, Well What do you call What they are doing to these small CHILDREN . WARNING DO not eat while watching, may make ya upchuck .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW9b0xr06qA
"If your 20 and not a Liberal, You have no Heart. If you are 40 and not a Conservative, You have no Brain" Sir Winston Churchhill
Noel,
September 30, 2008 - 11:14 ET by Indiana Joe"what can possibly be done to fix the problem?"
Wow, you're playing my song! This occurred to me about a week ago or so. Not much traffic, but it's right on topic.
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
The Roll of the Press and the Dice
September 30, 2008 - 11:16 ET by CellaWithout the help of the press, and money from pals of questionable reputation, Obama couldn't even have been elected to a seat on a small town city council. (Well, maybe, if he had been rolling dice for the spot in an alley off of main street.)
It's become a true propoganda machine...
September 30, 2008 - 11:19 ET by retroconI never thought that the alphabet MSM would become Pravda for the leftist Democrats, but it has. Alinsky and Marx have made great strides.
As mentioned in other posts here, it ALL falls to McCain to say the things he needs to say in the debates, when many of the voters in this country are watching, and it's not edited by the MSM.
Sarah has an opportunity as well, maybe McCain will play nice, and Sarah will be allowed to be the "pitbull." I hope so.
But McCain and his "we don't need to point fingers" B.S. leaves the public to believe that it's conservative policies that created this mess!!! That's not acceptible. If you can't point to what caused a problem, then you can't propose the right solutions to the problem.
Hey, Newsbusters.org, here's a suggestion, let's get an ongoing thread of debate arguments. Doesn't have to be just for us from the right, but let's put the bloggers to work coming up with the best arguments and short soundbites for the next debates. Maybe someone will pay attention!
...follow the money, just follow the money...
September 30, 2008 - 11:19 ET by vrwc131999...
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0DE7DB153EF933A0575AC0A96F958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1
Seems this whole mess got started back in 1999 with slick willy in control....
"Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits. "
btw: notice the mention of Obama's advisor - ''Fannie Mae has expanded home ownership for millions of families in the 1990's by reducing down payment requirements,'' said Franklin D. Raines, Fannie Mae's chairman and chief executive officer (and current Obama advisor) .
2005...
" How the Democrats Created the Financial Crisis: Kevin Hassett "
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20670001&refer=&sid=aSKSoiNbnQY0
"But we now know that many of the senators who protected Fannie and Freddie, including Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Christopher Dodd, have received mind-boggling levels of financial support from them over the years.
Throughout his political career, Obama has gotten more than $125,000 in campaign contributions from employees and political action committees of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, second only to Dodd, the Senate Banking Committee chairman, who received more than $165,000.
Clinton, the 12th-ranked recipient of Fannie and Freddie PAC and employee contributions, has received more than $75,000 from the two enterprises and their employees. The private profit found its way back to the senators who killed the fix."
and...
"Oh, and there is one little footnote to the story that's worth keeping in mind while Democrats point fingers between now and Nov. 4: Senator John McCain was one of the three cosponsors of S.190, the bill that would have averted this mess. "
well
September 30, 2008 - 11:26 ET by arkansaszippersI don't know that you can pin this mess solely on either party. Everybody's hands are dirty on this one.
But the media is covering
September 30, 2008 - 13:25 ET by Indiana JoeBut the media is covering for the Dems. Most people who just watch the news, and don't surf the net and google this stuff, believe it when NP and HR point at the Republicans and Bush. Most don't know the history of this mess.
And that's the whole point here. If the media reported it, people would know how much blame to assign to whom.
"Both sides." It's always "both sides" when a Dem is caught. If not, it's "Republicans." Actually research this. Maybe some mud goes both ways, but this is a liberal Democrat program with way more Dem fingerprints on it than Reps. And the MSM is hiding that fact, by and large.
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Regular People
September 30, 2008 - 13:28 ET by arkansaszippersI think on an issue such as this, most people don't care who's fault it is. They just want it fixed.
Maybe I'm just speaking for myself.
Oh, come now!
September 30, 2008 - 13:43 ET by Indiana JoeIn your last post, you talked about who's to blame. Now, no one cares?
Tell Pelosi no one cares, when she was on the House floor blaming Republicans. Tell Obama no one cares when he was blaming McCain and Bush at last week's debate. They sure seem to care about who gets blamed for this friggin' mess.
I forgot about that "third way:" If you can't blame Republicans, and you can't "share" the blame equally... then "no one cares."
You're reverting to talking points, AZ. Lots of folks care, because we don't want to have to go through this again. And the way to avoid that is finding out how we got here to begin with. Eyes wide open and all.
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
I just said everybody's to
September 30, 2008 - 13:52 ET by arkansaszippersI just said everybody's to blame, and I don't really care who. But like I said, that's just me. And didn't McCain do the same amount of finger pointing? I'm just saying, it's hard to believe much this close to an election.
Okay,
September 30, 2008 - 14:07 ET by Indiana JoeSo you don't care who's to blame, but it matters who did the blaming?
Really, is it that hard for you to just admit that your side may have had a bigger hand in this than they are willing to admit to? You seemed interested in blame when you thought it would go mostly on the right. Why is it that blame, lies, cheating, stealing, campaign cash, sexual escapades, divorce, pregnancy, just about anything that could possibly be bad for a politician is always "no problem" for the left when it's their guy, but the end of Constituitonal government as we know it when it's a Republican?
Why is it that Gerry Studds was supported to stay in his seat for having sex with an intern, but Mark Foley was forced to resign for sending one an email? I mean, doesn't that kind of thing bother you at all? Doesn't the inherent dishonesty and injustice of it nag at you just a little? I'd be embarrassed and ashamed to have to defend that kind of thinking.
It seems you just can't step back from your politics and look at the basic question of right and wrong, good and bad, fair and unfair. It's a shame, really. You don't seem like a bad guy. But there is such a thing as right and wrong, it's not some outdated corny concept. And something as fleeting and ultimately meaningless as political ideology shouldn't come between a person and their sense of justice, their conscience.
A real shame. But it's been nice having a civil conversation with you. Disappointing, but pleasant, anyway.
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
huh
September 30, 2008 - 14:12 ET by arkansaszippersI'm not taking sides; I said I don't care who's the most to blame, because everybody is to blame on this one in my opinion.
The only reason I mentioned John McCain pointing fingers is because you had alluded to Democrats pointing fingers, and I wanted to point out that the finger pointing has been rampant all around.
As I said, I find it hard to trust any side nowadays; did you even watch the Carlin video?
carlin video
September 30, 2008 - 14:22 ET by Indiana JoeAs in George Carlin?
No. thought we were talking about media bias, and our thoughts on that. Don't know what anyone named Carlin, George or otherwise, would have to do with that.
I'm just tired of a conversation that's going nowhere. Circular. I thought we were trying to make some kind of progress here, a meeting of minds, so to speak. You asked for a serious discussion, "no insults," and no distractions, I thought. I was just trying to have one.
Up until today, you haven't seemed to have any problem trusting the left enough to come here with their talking points. So forgive me if I'm a little suspicious of your new-found "neutrality."
Maybe that's progress of a sort, I don't know. But I'm done with this topic for now. See ya around.
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
Carlin
September 30, 2008 - 14:31 ET by arkansaszippersThe one I tried to show you earlier. This one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jqa6lnk97Bc
even Bill admits it was the dems...
September 30, 2008 - 14:25 ET by vrwc13http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2RZ0sUcVcE
ht to dee bunk
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thanks Bill
Hickzippers reply
October 1, 2008 - 01:02 ET by JudithHey, you are beginning to sound like John McCain. Bipartisanship, don't point fingers, we all need to work together, blah blah blah. STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT NO MATTER WHAT THE COST! or go home.
Thoughts about Obama
September 30, 2008 - 11:19 ET by misterbill'Some cause happiness
wherever they go;
others, whenever they go.'
-- Oscar Wilde
Nice topic!
September 30, 2008 - 11:29 ET by Schnikeys"Would Democrats ever win national elections if the media weren't biased?"
Interesting question! In order to answer it, we would need to prove the existence of liberal media bias (which wouldn't be too hard) and take into consideration how much the public is affected by their news and, as specifically as possible, in what ways. Polls show that a good chunk (nearly half, I think) of the nation believes that there is bias of some sort in the media.
But we also need to consider the GOP angle before answering the question- What about RINOs? What about GOP members who genuinely make mistakes in their judgement (Sen. Stevens, Specter and McCain are good examples) that voters find unattractive to the point where they no longer want to vote for that candidate? Perhaps, at the GOP party level, we should give aspiring candidates a test that they must receive outstanding marks on before they are considered for nomination to run for office.
"If virtually every major press outlet in the country wasn't so obviously in the tank for Obama, would someone with so little experience have gotten beyond the Iowa caucuses or New Hampshire primaries?"
Once again, we would have to consider whether or not voters completely bought into it, and if so, exactly how many voters and to what degree. We'd have to ask voters who bought into it why they bought into it.
"If media had done their job and properly exposed Obama's connections to Rev. Wright, William Ayers, Tony Rezko, Franklin Raines, and Jim Johnson, would he even be in this race?"
Possibly, but whether or not he would still be succeeding would be up for question. All I know is that there's a lot of stuff McCain's not attacking him on, and McCain is stupid for that reason.
"At the Congressional level, if media outlets exposed how Democrats have blocked Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac reform for many years, and are FAR more responsible for today's financial crisis than the Republicans, would we be looking at the possibility of a GOP landslide in five weeks rather than the Democrats getting a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate?"
See the second sentence of my answer to the previous question, where I mentioned McCain. The point is that McCain and GOPers can get past this crap if they actually tried (which they're not doing) to prove the Dems wrong as clearly and publically as possible so that everyone could see it.
McCain does commercials, right? How about this: instead of investigating how much Obama "agreed" with McCain during the debate, or what Biden "thinks of" McCain or Obama, why doesn't McCain instead release a commercial that actually does some legitimate hardcore investigation of Obama-Biden on real issues?
McCain, as well as many Repubs running for election or re-election, has proven himself inept in this area. They simply don't know what the hell they're doing.
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"My morality is your morality."
Schnikeys,
September 30, 2008 - 12:14 ET by Indiana JoeYou raise some good points. However, with the closeness of recent elections, I think the answer about bias is simple.
If the intentional liberal bias of the media (pretty much a given, I think you'd agree) swings only 10% of the vote, or even less maybe, they change an election result. Gore in 2000, or Kerry in 2004. Lieberman in 2008, or Edwards in 2012. It kind of branches, you see.
So, even if half of America doesn't trust them, enough of America does to make a difference, IMO.
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Schnikey reply
October 1, 2008 - 01:05 ET by JudithThe dumb public may say that the media is biased but there seems to be no connection in the "minds" that this is an influence on them. DUH!
IMO, to the bloggers and
September 30, 2008 - 11:22 ET by dscottIMO, to the bloggers and website operators, stay the course. The fact that MSM propagandists are complaining about the internet bloggers and claiming bias on the part of FNC, Washington Times and New York Post means WE ARE WINNING the culture war. This is the time to turn up the heat on the MSM continually nitpicking at every article exposing their propaganda efforts and thus destroying their credibility with the public. You must not forget the liberal tactic of continually spewing disinformation in an attempt to get people to accept even one assertion as truth. It's called the shotgun method in legal circles. By continually tallying the list of discredited liberal myths a growing proportion of the public will tune out the MSM and Dems as a credible source of information.
The MSM will do our job for us by becoming even more shrill as they see the end approaching. A good example is the AGW hoax, they have jumped the shark and now the public is just ignoring them on the issue by changing the channel or not reading the paper. The Dems and MSM by covering up their incompetence causing the current financial crisis have essentially doubled down the stakes in the hope that any win by them will put them over the top to finally crush any dissent.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
I think you are right but I
September 30, 2008 - 11:37 ET by SeashellI think you are right but I am fearful it won't happen soon enough to prevent an Obama presidency.
Would Democrats win without the bias?
September 30, 2008 - 11:27 ET by JWFDo bears poo in the woods?
Why yes, I believe they do.
http://www.blackfive.net/main/2008/09/maybe-now-peopl.html
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
JWF,
September 30, 2008 - 13:27 ET by Indiana JoeSo, you're saying that Dems would win without the bias? The bias doesn't help them?
I just want to be clear here.
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
You are right.
October 1, 2008 - 00:59 ET by JWFI got it ass backwards.
Good thing I am not running for president.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Well, if you were running
October 1, 2008 - 07:02 ET by Indiana JoeWell, if you were running as the right candidate, the MSM would be falling all over itself "correcting" that for you!
;^)
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
If media had done their job
September 30, 2008 - 11:31 ET by SeashellIf media had done their job and properly exposed Obama's connections to Rev. Wright, William Ayers, Tony Rezko, Franklin Raines, and Jim Johnson, would he even be in this race?
I think this says it all. I bet the ranch that if all these TRUTHS had gotten out (the media new this stuff but suppressed it) Obama would never have won Iowa. I blame the Clinton campaign also. They knew this stuff too but didn't put it out there. I guess they thought their beloved press would do it. The press screwed them and the American people. The really bad thing is, most of Americans still don't know this stuff, and we have only a few weeks to go!
Its a Media Business model that has an Audience
September 30, 2008 - 11:35 ET by JayTeeSome people like the Koolaide being Served.
The FIX is the "SINS OF OMISSION" being discovered on the internet .
EQUAL coverage is a fix which will not happen.
8 more years of Republicans will also Remedy the Situation.
The Republican Revolution will not be Televised
CRA, Sub-Prime Loans, and the Financial Debacle
September 30, 2008 - 11:40 ET by j. frank wilsonOver the past several months there has been a number of articles on NB and the 'net in general attempting to make some sort of connection between the Community Reinvestment Act (passed in 1977), and today's financial crisis.
An astonishing number of people - most of whom have never made a loan, reviewed a loan, been part of a CRA regulatory exam - or, frankly, appear to really know anything at all about CRA - claim that CRA forced banks to make bad loans.
At least Neil Cavuto came out on Fox New and just said it - what else do you expect when you make loans to minorities? That's the essence of this contention - CRA us blamed for this mess because banks were forced to loan money to Black folks.
Here's a brief opinion piece that quickly presents the truth:
http://www.businessweek.com/investing/insights/blog/archives/2008/09/community_reinv.html
If you are interested in a detailed analysis of the situation, try:
http://www.traigerlaw.com/publications/traiger_hinckley_llp_cra_foreclosure_study_1-7-08.pdf
And, finally, a timeline that presents in brief how we got into today's mess:
http://online.barrons.com/article/SB122246742997580395.html
Bottom Line: We are in a financial debacle today for a great many reasons. However, CRA simply is not one of them.
troll filter enabled
September 30, 2008 - 12:44 ET by SouthJersey1953[troll alert] I had a great response to your post but my newly installed "troll comment reply" blocker functioned as designed. [troll alert]
McCain/PALIN '08
PALIN/Jindal '12
SJ53.... That is
September 30, 2008 - 15:42 ET by bigtimerSJ53....
That is hilarious...
Gotta' try to remember that one...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Ummm... you are right in one sense
September 30, 2008 - 12:59 ET by retroconWhen you say, "We are in a financial debacle today for a great many reasons"
However, CRA, and all attempts to "force," "coerce," or even "incentivize" lenders into lending when they felt it was inappropriate, contributed to the problem.
Even banks not subject to regulation do what most lending institutions do, they sell and/or insure their mortgages. When the government, at any link in the chain, sticks it's nose into the problem, for whatever altruistic reasons, behavior changes. The fact that a bank wants to make a profit is OK. But they don't take risks unless they have been incentivised (ordered, regulated, instructed, enticed or insured) to do so by some chain of actions invariably leading back to the Federal Government manipulating the system. This just shows how capitalism get's corrupted by government.
The CRA alone did not cause this problem. But it, and other "good intentioned," "do-gooder" government interventions, when taken together, did.
I'm always leery of someone
September 30, 2008 - 13:46 ET by Indiana JoeI'm always leery of someone claiming an "opinion piece" presents "the truth."
To say that the CRA wasn't instrumental in creating this situation is to just be in total denial.
"... smells like... victory." - Robert Duvall
Indiana Joe:
September 30, 2008 - 14:07 ET by j. frank wilsonVery often when I follow a link proved by an NB commentator I discover that it's an opinion piece. So, I said precisely what this one is.
As for your comment - where are your facts? Oh, you don't have any. So we should just take your word that I'm "in total denial." Wow! You are one tough debater. Are you helping prep Gov. Palin?
Or, let's talk experience. Have you ever read the CRA regs? Have you ever prepared a financial institution for a CRA exam? Have you ever participated in a CRA exam? I have. Before and after the sea change in the exam structure, by the way. Do you even have a clue what I'm talking about?
Please do tell us how a 1977 regulation caused a 2008 collapse. And please don't bring up that tired 1999 NYT article. Fannie and Freddie "sub-prime" home loans were full doc - no stated income - fixed interest rates (no ARMs) - and the only teaser was interest only before a 30-year amortization. Did I mention the fixed rate was below market?
Did you know that Freddie and Fannie's market share was declining over the past several years? That most of the really bad home loans were made and sold by mortgage brokers regulated by the states and not the Federal government (and exempt from CRA)?
You've got nothing but bile, hatred for the possibility that financial markets could be opened to all, and wishfull thinking that McCain and Palin are gong to be elected.
No.
October 1, 2008 - 01:23 ET by JWFPlease do tell us how a 1977 regulation caused a 2008 collapse.
In a word, no. You are like a 3 year old throwing a tantrum in a grocery store because he can't have that candy bay.
We are not your google monkey. You want to find out how something happened, google it yourself. It is bad enough that you already know you are wrong. We are not here to prove it to you.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
JWF:
October 1, 2008 - 11:02 ET by j. frank wilsonYou are clueless. The obvious answer is "No." CRA was not the cause - direct or indirect - of the sub-prime, neg am option ARM, no doc residential mortgage meltdown.
Countless folks on NB have tried to make the connection between requiring banks to loan money in the communities from which they draw deposits and not discriminating against minorities to this financial debacle. There isn't one.
I am asking those who claim there is to prove it. You can't and they can't.
Apparently that is a concept you can not grasp.
"I'm always leery of
September 30, 2008 - 16:18 ET by ckc1227"I'm always leery of someone claiming an "opinion piece" presents "the truth."
Especially when the gist of the piece is to blame Bush without ever backing it up. You'd think he provide at least one reference showing us how Bush weakened the CRA. Instead, he just says it's so. Kinda like Frank says Cavuto made a racist comment. I guess we should just take their word on it. I'm sure they wouldn't mislead anyone.
ckc1227:
September 30, 2008 - 18:23 ET by j. frank wilsonAre you claiming Neil Cavuto didn't say that?
Or are you saying I "took it out of context" like Ole BlunderRush does when he's called on his racist comments? Precisely what context does racism deserve?
Or was Mr. Cavuto just telling a joke? That's another favorite of Ole BlunderRush and Ann Falter...
j frank wilson reply
October 1, 2008 - 01:16 ET by JudithDaily Kos is calling you, go home.
Judith:
October 1, 2008 - 11:05 ET by j. frank wilsonYou've got nothing to add to this conversation. No new information, no facts, no logic.
Just your bile backing up to your eyeballs. Full of hate and vitrol, going through your day angry with America and the people in it, self-loathing eating away your insides like an acid cocktail, you lash out at those actually trying to discuss a very important issue.
Not sad. Pathetic.
Bush is to Blame! 'No Money Down' - Tax Payers Will Pay
September 30, 2008 - 20:57 ET by PopularTechBush's 'American Dream Downpayment Act of 2003' (Lew Rockwell)
Bush 'No Money Down' - Tax Payers Will Pay (Video) (6min)
Bush seeks to increase minority homeownership (USA Today)
Bush to End Scarcity (Ludwig Von Mises Institute)
"Bush is determined to end the bias against people who want to buy a home but don't have any money."
- A White House Fact Sheet issued June 17, 2002, declared that Bush's agenda "will help tear down the barriers to homeownership that stand in the way of our nation's African-American, Hispanic and other minority families. ... The single biggest barrier to homeownership is
accumulating funds for a down payment."
- Federal Housing Commissioner John Weicher said in January 2004 that "the White House doesn't think those who can afford the monthly payment but have been unable to save for a down payment should be deprived from owning a home," National Mortgage News reported.
- While zero-downpayment mortgages have long been considered profoundly unsafe (especially for borrowers with dubious credit history), Weicher confidently asserted: "We do not anticipate any costs to taxpayers."
Hey Frank....It's not about "Black Folk"
September 30, 2008 - 14:54 ET by sjanus11It's about any "Color Folk" with the inability to pay back a mortgage that they in no way should have qualified. Hence the forclosures begin et al And here we are today.....Don't play the race card crap..........
"If your 20 and not a Liberal, You have no Heart. If you are 40 and not a Conservative, You have no Brain" Sir Winston Churchhill
sjanus11:
September 30, 2008 - 15:32 ET by j. frank wilsonYes, it is about loaning money to Black folks. Did you read the Neil Cavuto quote - this is what to expect when you start loaning money to minorities? Of course it's racist. Inner city people, CRA, poor credit, don't pay their bills - it's obvious.
You don't know what you are talking about. Many of the borrowers in serious trouble did quality for the loans - if they didn't they wouldn't have gotten them, would they?
And most of the sub-prime loans that have imploded (vintage 2007, 2006 and 2005) were not agency paper.
The Federal Reserve had a low interest rate policy. Artifically low by any historic measure. Because foreign investors were buying hundreds of billions of dollars in T-bonds, bills and notes, we couldn't afford it if they experienced a capital loss. Low interest rates helped fuel the housing boom. Am I the only one to notice the dramatic American interest in the game of poker that went along with the housing bubble? How many NB blogs were there about the lie of the housing price bubble - geez, we haven't seen those lately, have we?
This garbage about CRA driving lenders to make bad loans is racist, pure and simple. If you believe that, at least have the guts to admit it.
Obvious yuppy puppy
September 30, 2008 - 16:55 ET by well99You never been to South Boston.
unwell99:
September 30, 2008 - 18:24 ET by j. frank wilsonHuh?
Right over your head frank
September 30, 2008 - 18:41 ET by RESTLESS 1Color me surprised. <sarc/>
"This liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Do you know how to use google?
September 30, 2008 - 21:32 ET by well99Try it see what you learn.Newsflash silverspoon there are whites in the inner city.You wouldnt last long there.They not nice to cup cakes.
j. frank, I was once employed in the housing industry.
September 30, 2008 - 22:15 ET by R D HelmThanks to the "redlining" non-scandal, ACORN and the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977, government began forcing mortgage lenders to carry a certain percentage of high-risk loans in their loan portfolios.
If the lenders refused, the government would go after them in a really big way. Every so often, the government would send inspectors around to look at the files of the lenders. If they didn't like what they saw, they could impose very stiff fines, or worse, on the lenders.
I have seen this happen myself. What is more, I have several friends who were once loan officers for a lot of different lenders and have told me their horror stories.
You are the one who doesn't know what you are talking about.
-Dave
Fear makes people do weird things....it makes their brains stop working. - Dave Ramsey
My troll fuse length today: 0.000mm
R D Helm:
October 1, 2008 - 11:10 ET by j. frank wilsonSince you are an expert, exactly what "high-risk" loans are you talking about? Perhaps you are not aware of a regulatory safety and soundness examination? You will not find anything in the CRA regs that absolve lenders from making safe and sound loans.
Federally regulated lenders made loans based on non-traditional underwriting that carried fixed rates - often below market - and often with significant interest only periods prior to full amortization. No ARM's. No balloons. No no-doc loans.
You have several friends who used to be loan officers who have horror stories about bad loans they made? Wow! I'm dazzled by your sources.
Meanwhile, back here in reality, the fact remains that CRA did not trigger the current financial debacle. Did you read the foreclosure study I linked? Golly - don't let facts get in the way of your opinions...
Obama & Media
September 30, 2008 - 11:50 ET by donsalimanObama & the media reminds me of a boxer in the early stages (at least in my home town) of Television in the 1950's.
I can not remember his name ,but the media loved him and just build him up to the point,you thought he was the best boxer in the world and in the history of boxing.
There was one problem,he was only fighting against weak opponents,ones that only his manger would book for him.
He was to fight an other boxer finally,that was a major boxer.
Well I thought,along with all the media,that this boxer would win.
One sports writer thought that he would get his bottom wiped out.
I thought that this writer was nuts and boos to him.
Well the fight was and our hero had no chance from the first round and was totally wiped out,out of his class.
So much was the boxing experts of TV in those days.
That may be OK for a boxer, but for a man who will lead the strongest country in the world,it would be a disaster.
I am afraid that his "Boxer" Obama will win and become President.
Why aren't the media
September 30, 2008 - 12:19 ET by NBFWhy aren't the media discussing the winners in the correction of the mortgage mess, such as first time home buyers and financial institutions that made RESPONSIBLE loans and are sitting pretty as people take their business to them?
The bailout was a total scam.
September 30, 2008 - 12:53 ET by R D HelmI woke up this morning to find that the world did not, in fact, end over night.
It appears the markets are an their way back, as well.
This bailout was nothing more than certain areas of the private sector (Wall Street, which has a surprisignly high number of liberals like H. Paulson) using horror stories to try and see if they could use the federal government as an instrument of plunder.
Thank God it didn't work. Well, this time, anyway.
-As an aside here, I am really beginning to think that Michael Savage, as out there as he is at times, has been right all along about Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.
-Dave
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them - Rick Roberts
My troll fuse length today: 0.003mm
-As an aside here, I am
September 30, 2008 - 13:24 ET by bigtimer-As an aside here, I am really beginning to think that Michael Savage, as out there as he is at times, has been right all along about Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.
Hey Dave, what do you mean here?
I don't have a clue...would appreciate knowing what you mean/or are referring to? Especially about Rush.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Rush and Sean are religiously Partisan
September 30, 2008 - 14:26 ET by PopularTechAs in they are practically incapable of attacking Bush and will religiously defend him. If you listen to Rush, Savage and Air America you get just about all the sides on an issue. Though listening to Air America takes a lot of physical restraint.
PT... Well, gosh I know
September 30, 2008 - 15:15 ET by bigtimerPT...
Well, gosh I know Hannity doesn't but that isn't true about Rush, he has on several occasions over the years expressed his disappointment and dismay with some of the tings President Bush has done.
Speaking of Rush he played the link you posted the other night and commented on all of it...did you know that, do you listen to him?
He may not attack with the insanity of Savage, if he did, he would of never got to where he is now...and I am referring to both sides of the aisle.
I used to listen to Savage, he is too far over the bend for me, he became that way years ago now for me.
Also, the Schiff link you posted was timely, Beck had the gentleman on last night.
Just thought you should know.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Rush does a good job
September 30, 2008 - 21:05 ET by PopularTechBut he is always very careful criticizing Bush. Sometimes it is refreshing to hear Savage rip into Bush on things like Amnesty, the Dubai Ports Deal and now the Bailout. I listen to Rush a few times a week and only part of the show, I just don't have the time. What link that I posted did Rush comment on?
I saw Beck last night too.
You'll have to forgive me, bt. I am in one of my moods again.
September 30, 2008 - 16:39 ET by R D HelmIf I see GWB on TV one more time telling us that we should let the congress essentially end the free-enterprise ssystem in this country, which is exactly what this hideous bail-out would do, I am going to throw up.
As for Rush and Sean, I keep thinking how chummy these two have been with the repubs over the years. It literally gives me the creeps.
Yeah, I know that both of them have spanked certain repubs that have strayed on occasion, but they haven't taken their derision to the level I would like to see it.
-Dave
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them - Rick Roberts
My troll fuse length today: 0.000mm
Well Dave, You aren't
September 30, 2008 - 16:50 ET by bigtimerWell Dave,
You aren't alone out in the world with your mood either you know..I feel the same.
I hope you see my link somewhere where McCain said the Treasury could inject a trillion in the economy this morning, I had it saved from early this morning, in fact I just posted it again on another thread in response to someone else, but anyway, Rush was talking about it too today, adn I feel the same, if we can do that, why the hell are they doing this bail-out BS in the first place hmmm?
I have been furious about it, still am and am still going to contact all the Senators offices that I think pertinent starting with McCain.
They have decided to call it a rescue package now...as if this tricks us now.
I hope to God we vote them all out that vote for this..all of them.
It's a free-market, let it work it's will, for the good or the bad..congresscritters helped create this mess big time, how dare they get involved again at our expense.
Here is the link if you haven't seen the video.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
And now for something completely different... or not
September 30, 2008 - 12:38 ET by marvlHas anyone seen this? It was sent to me in an email, and I can't verify it. But, knowing the corruption in the Obama campaign, I'm inclined to believe it.
Subject: New York Times Editorial
By MAUREEN DOWD
Published: June 29, 2008
OBAMA'S TROUBLING INTERNET FUND RAISING
The internet service providers (ISP) they were able to trace were from
Saudi Arabia , Iran , and other Middle Eastern countries. One of the
banks used for fund transfers was also located in Saudi Arabia . Another concentrated group of donations was traced to a Chinese ISP with
a similar pattern of limited credit card charges.
It became clear that these donations were very likely coming from sources other than American voters.
It was also decided that it was not the responsibility of the campaign
to audit these millions of contributions as to the actual source
(specific credit card number or bank transfer account numbers) to insure
that none of these internet contributors exceeded the legal maximum
donation on a cumulative basis of many small donations.
They also found the record keeping was not complete enough to do it anyway.
I guess we should have been somewhat suspicious when the numbers started
to come out. We were told (no proof offered) that the Obama internet
contributions were from $10.00 to $25.00 or so. If the $200,000,000 is right, and the average contribution was $15.00,
that would mean over 13 million individuals made contributions? That
would also be 13 million contributions would need to be processed.
How did all that happen? I believe the Obama campaign's internet fund raising needs a serious, in
depth investigation and audit.
From Snopes.com...
September 30, 2008 - 12:43 ET by arkansaszippersLooks like a fake:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/donations.asp
arkansaszippers:
September 30, 2008 - 14:11 ET by j. frank wilsonGolly! You mean everything I read on the Internets isn't true?
Who knew?
Wilson, did either you or
September 30, 2008 - 15:18 ET by bigtimerWilson, did either you or az bother to read the link I had below regarding marvl's post.
It isn't far-fetched whatsoever... the msm would be looking into all of this if this was reversed with McC and his campaign $$$.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Hey marvl... You might
September 30, 2008 - 13:31 ET by bigtimerHey marvl...
You might want to check this out...pretty eye-opening.
I see now where there are updates too, which I haven't checked out.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Borrowing to make payroll?
September 30, 2008 - 12:45 ET by ricklailIf I had a head for business I wouldn't be sitting here with hundreds of convicted felons around me. But it is a job that pays fairly well. I heard Paulson say yesterday that if companies couldn't borrow then they couldn't make payroll. I know companies borrow to increase stock and expand among other things. If you are borrowing to make payroll then it sounds to me that you are in trouble to start with. Help me out here. I know that when I was working for DOOK Power during the Jimma Carter years they were selling properties to make payroll but they were not borowing.
If pro is the opposite of con what is the opposite of progress? Congress!
Loans for payroll is a scare tactic - he means Goldman Sachs
September 30, 2008 - 14:34 ET by PopularTechEvery business I worked for they never borrowed to make payroll. They may take loans depending on their size for expansion (in some cases) but the loans for payroll is a scare tactic.
They tried the othey day to give examples of people who need loans for their business and all of them had failing businesses. So instead of adapting to the market they take second mortgages on their homes, idiots.
The funny thing is I think Paulson was talking about investment banks - oops is Goldman Sachs in trouble?
Read this about Lovely Mr Paulson
September 30, 2008 - 15:04 ET by sjanus11If any is near the truth.......It just makes me wanna get the pitchforks and whatever else we need and have us a little going away party for The whole mess of them.
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2008/09/henry-paulson-american-oligarch.html
"If your 20 and not a Liberal, You have no Heart. If you are 40 and not a Conservative, You have no Brain" Sir Winston Churchhill
ONE Trillion $$$
September 30, 2008 - 15:28 ET by bigtimersj...
Watch this vid with McC from this morning...
He says we don't need congressional approval, he says the Treasury can inject 1 trillion dollars...
ONE trillion dollars...
So why doesn't congress stay the hell out of it...they helped make this mess...
BIG TIME!
I am sick of this, and I am going to keep fighting the congress-critters, hope everyone else does the same if they disagree with this bail-out.
The scare tactics make me puke...I agree with this summation of the bail-out.
I listened to some in the Senate this morning, they are going to come up with a nicer name for it...isn't that precious, just like they renamed the illegal immigration/amnesty bill on their second attempt to pass it the Dream Act...The Dream act...these people do not live in the real world at all...they all think we are stupid out here...and this was on the right side of the ailse I am talking about.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
This is a great ad by McCain - uses Clinton's words
September 30, 2008 - 13:01 ET by Dee BunkIt's very crisp and to the point. His best ad yet I think
McCain ad - Rein
That's a good start, now
September 30, 2008 - 13:17 ET by dscottThat's a good start, now he needs to do another one with a timeline of all the attempts to reform the system with the Dem refusal each time.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
Dee... That is a great ad
September 30, 2008 - 13:19 ET by bigtimerDee... That is a great ad indeed, love how Clinton takes a pause and swallows hard before admitting something true for once in his louse-bound life...
...of course he is also doing everything he can to hurt Obama...
Glad to see the subpoeanas going out today for Fred/Fannie, sure a little late now, but better late than never, just wonder how deep they are really going to go, and if some like Raines are going to be doing any frog-marching as Joe Wilson likes to say...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Here is the timeline from
September 30, 2008 - 13:36 ET by dscottHere is the timeline from another poster that would really make a good campaign video.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb-staff/2008/09/29/open-thread#comment-730861
Interesting, Pelosi's words,
"It's a staggering figure.... $700 billion, a staggering number, but only a part of the cost of the failed Bush economic policies to our country,'' Pelosi said, blaming Bush for inheriting a budget surplus and turning it into a record deficit with " reckless economic policies.... "It's really an anything goes mentality, no regulation, no supervision, no discipline."
1. 2001-April, the Bush administration, in its 2002 budget proposal, asserted that the size of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is a "potential problem," and that financial trouble in these "Government Sponsored Entities," or GSEs, could "cause strong repercussions in financial markets."
2. 2003, autumn, the Bush administration pushed Congress to create a new federal agency to regulate and supervise Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
On 2003-Sep-10, then-Treasury Secretary John Snow, before the House Financial Services Committee, " We need a strong, world-class regulatory agency to oversee the prudential operations of the GSEs, and the safety, and the soundness of their financial activities."
On the same day, 2003-Sep-10, at the same hearing, the ranking Democrat on the House Financial Services Committee Congressman Barney Frank (now chairman of the same committee) said in response, "Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are not in a crisis. The more people, in my judgement, exaggerate a threat of safety and soundness, the more people conjur up the possibility of serious financial losses, to the Treasury, which I do not see, I think we see entities which are fundamentally sound financially and withstand some of the disaster scenarios, and even if there were a problem the federal government doesn't bail them out. But the more pressure there is there, the less I think we see in terms of affordable housing."
The legislation the Bush administration put forward that day was blocked.
3. Alan Greenspan, 2005-Sep-17, to the House Financial Services Committee, on Fannie/Freddie, "Enabling these institutions to increase in size--they they will once the crisis in their judgement passess--we are placing the total financial system of the future at substantial risk."
4. Alan Greenspan, 2006-Apr-6, "If we fail to strengthen GSE regulation we increase the possibility of insolvency and crisis."
The same day, Democratic Senator Chuck Schummer, "I think Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac over the years has done a good job and are an intrinsic part of making America the best-housed people in the world. If you look over the last 20 or whatever years, they have done a very, very, good job."
5. Senate floor, 2006-May-25, John McCain, "For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac... and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market... the GSEs need to be reformed without delay." In the Senate Banking Committee, the Fannie/Freddie reform legislation that McCain cosponsored, 100% of the Republicans voted FOR it, and 100% of the Democrats, including Chuck Schummer and Chris Dodd, voted AGAINST it. As we know now, Dodd received $133,900 in campaign contributions from Fannie/Freddie ( per opensecrets.org ), ranking #1 in Congress. Obama received $105,949 from Fannie / Freddie ( per opensecrets.org ), ranking #3 in Congress. Senator Obama was silent on this legislation.
6. 2008-Sep-25, former President Clinton indicated he AGREED with Fox News assertions that Democrats are responsible for failure to rein in Fannie/Freddie--Bill Clinton told ABC's Chris Cuomo that for years, Democrats have been "resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress or by me when I was President to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac."
Posted by: SuperiorBank failure | September 29, 2008 2:38 PM
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
The media has a large part
September 30, 2008 - 13:05 ET by soulpileThe media has a large part to play, since without them, we would not have any news and thus no idea what's going on in the nation's political arenas. Granted, there's bias, so the news we get isn't exactly... accurate.
Don't forget the schools, however. The media isn't the only establishment involved in the formation of political ideals.
Some Democrats would still get elected if the media wasn't biased, but there would probably be more balance overall. The urge to please the media seems to have played a part in the downfall of the GOP through the appearance of RINOs. In addition, we are now a two-party political system DUE to the media and its emphasis on Democrats vs Republicans. If someone were to break away from a party now and start their own, they'd get nowhere.
X
September 30, 2008 - 13:22 ET by serfer62Counter Point
There wouldn't even be a Kommiecrat party if it wasn't for blacks.
The only thing that can be
September 30, 2008 - 13:42 ET by MrSnugglesThe only thing that can be done is a comprehensive ad campaign akin to the swiftboat ads showing the american people that Obama is a communist with evil plans for this country. He has no concern for gun rights, no concern for freedom of speech, he hates capitalism or what he calls our "economic philosophy". This has to happen, but I wont get my hopes up...
Frame This
September 30, 2008 - 13:59 ET by JoelCTTo AZ and others with similar doubts about MSM Bias.
Charles Gibson is considered to be the least biased of the "big three" network new anchors. I realize that's not saying much, but it is still a fact. Let's look at his method of questioning, keeping in mind he is the least biased:
First, Obama:
How does it feel to break a glass ceiling?
How does it feel to “win”?
How does your family feel about your “winning” breaking a glass ceiling?
Who will be your VP?
Should you choose Hillary Clinton as VP?
Will you accept public finance?
What issues is your campaign about?
Will you visit Iraq?
Will you debate McCain at a town hall?
What did you think of your competitor’s [Clinton] speech?
Now Palin:
Do you have enough qualifications for the job you’re seeking?
Specifically have you visited foreign countries and met foreign leaders?
Aren’t you conceited to be seeking this high level job?
Questions about foreign policy
-territorial integrity of Georgia
-allowing Georgia and Ukraine to be members of NATO
-NATO treaty
-Iranian nuclear threat
-what to do if Israel attacks Iran
-Al Qaeda motivations
-the Bush Doctrine
-attacking terrorists harbored by Pakistan Is America fighting a holy war? [misquoted Palin]
Hope/Change/Zucker
September 30, 2008 - 13:59 ET by bigtimerI had to leave for a bit but now I hear Rush talking about this link I saved early this morning to put on here....
Anyway...good ol'Big Brother Hollywood at work once again!
Enjoy!
Somebody may already have this posted, haven't even had time to read much of anything yet...
gag me bt, hope/ change/SUCKER
September 30, 2008 - 14:10 ET by upcountrywaterFirst video of the day, so glad 8 year olds can't vote , yet!
nothing like public school, to bad they don't go belly up.
CLIMATE CRISIS
IranianUranium
this just in
September 30, 2008 - 14:15 ET by candanceLiberal film makers Heidi Ewing and Rachel Grady have announced plans for a new documentary called Obama Camp where they expose a group of adults indoctrinating children with dangerous political ideology.
Oops, nevermind. After giving the issue more thought, the women remembered that they're liberals who only enjoy exposing Christians.
Candance - great comparison
September 30, 2008 - 14:28 ET by Dee BunkYou and BT have to go to my open Forum thread about twitter - Free, upcountry, Shy and Blonde signed up. I have the link over on the forum thread.
Why?
September 30, 2008 - 15:07 ET by LorraineObama is the American Idol presidential candidate.
We watched AI for the first time last year. It took a while for my family to catch on, but we soon realized that it's not the best SINGER who wins. It's the best package from a sales point of view.
It's the same with Obama. The media is like all of the people who vote on AI. They go for the package, the appearance, the story, not the actual ability of the candidate. And because the media has almost a monopoly on what most people see and hear, they easily convinced those people that he was the best candidate.
Unfortunately, I think all of this is because of the dumbing down of the American people (maybe even the West as a whole). So few people have a knowledge and understanding of current events, history, culture, economics, etc. that the media (and campaigns) can say whatever they want and few will have enough knowledge to see through it to the truth.
And it starts young. I remember being in my sophomore year in high school and the only person in my social studies class that knew where France was. My youngest are in high school now and report the same lack of knowlege. Yesterday it was the kids in my daughter's history class that thought the Titanic was sunk during WWII. These kids are the next generation who will grow up to vote. Scary.
nothing can be done
September 30, 2008 - 15:22 ET by dark_dsNothing can be done, I hate to say it . If something is put out there that opposes Obama then it will just be discredited and or ignored.
Im new here, used to be a socialist lefty in my youth... my youth was very long time ago
Here is a little bit of a poster I made that says it all.... pass it on
Obama
Hey howdy and welcome
September 30, 2008 - 15:32 ET by bigtimerHey howdy and welcome d_d...
I like your work...
...enjoy your time here, will look forward to your posts.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Hi dark_ds!!
September 30, 2008 - 15:51 ET by PrairieSkyWe're glad you're here and that you came over from "the dark side"!!
Welcome!!
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
Miracle of miracles!!
September 30, 2008 - 15:56 ET by PrairieSkyFox is reporting that the McCain campaign is going to be getting Gov. Palin out in the media more, and the plan is to let "Sarah be Sarah"!! I've been saying that for the last two weeks-She is one of the best assets the campaign has, and they have been underusing and overmanaging her.
It's about time!
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
I have been saying it for
September 30, 2008 - 16:00 ET by Ruths husband BenI have been saying it for some time too. Good news for our side.
“But maybe you obviously have a better memory about that."- Wolf Blitzer
Hear! Hear! "America
September 30, 2008 - 16:08 ET by bigtimerHear! Hear!
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Commie Kids Sing for Obama.
September 30, 2008 - 16:15 ET by R D HelmA friend just shot this to me:
This is creepy.
-Dave
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them - Rick Roberts
My troll fuse length today: 0.003mm
Creepy indeed, I put it
September 30, 2008 - 16:23 ET by bigtimerCreepy indeed, I put it above already somewhere Dave, and on some other thread this morning here somewhere...
Good ol commie Hollywood with Zucker leading the way...I can't listen to it again, because it is real torture...
Plus I heard Rush have it on his show too later...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
I'm sorry, bt. I must have scrolled right past it.
September 30, 2008 - 17:37 ET by R D HelmLOL-Didn't mean to step on your toes.
Besides, the important thing is that its in here.
And where, btw, are our resident Obamaton trolls, and why are they not in here defending this rubbish?
-Dave
Fear makes people do weird things....it makes their brains stop working. - Dave Ramsey
My troll fuse length today: 0.000mm
LOL...you didn't step on my
September 30, 2008 - 17:45 ET by bigtimerLOL...you didn't step on my toes...heck the more the merrier...
As to the trolls... shhh...please say that quietly, I do not look forward to them, there have been a few here today, who I try to ignore when I am trying to post about important stuff...lol!
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Right you are, RD...
September 30, 2008 - 16:25 ET by PrairieSkyIt is creepy...I heard some of this today on Rush's show. It reminds me of the North Korean school children that are required to sing adoring songs about their "Dear Leader", Kim Jong Il. I can only suppose that Obamessiah sees himself as our "Dear Leader".
Creepy is right!!
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
Kind of reminds me of......
September 30, 2008 - 17:06 ET by BEGRUNTthose North Korean children singing to their "Dear Leader". Obama Youth, the new "Brown Shirts" of the 21st century.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Forget McCain. DAVE RAMSEY FOR PRESIDENT!!!!
September 30, 2008 - 16:54 ET by R D HelmDave makes more sense than any REPUBLICRAT I have seen or heard in the last 24 hours.
Note: If your browser times out, try back later, as Dave's server is no doubt getting hammered with traffic right now. :-)
-Dave
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them - Rick Roberts
My troll fuse length today: 0.000mm
Dave him or Neil
September 30, 2008 - 16:58 ET by bigtimerDave him or Neil Cavuto!!!!
I just saw and heard Ramsey on Cavuto's show..just now!
I agree...
Now he has a clip of McCain buddy Jack Kemp defending McCain and the bail-out...blah blah blah...
Huckabee is telling Cavuto he isn't alone and living in the movie The night of the living Dead...Huckabee is saying these people are not listening to the people like us out here in the real world...good for Huck!
gosh Dave, I stayed up til three posting and making calls to others before the vote yesterday trying to get the word out, people need to call and vote against these people...we do make the differnce...all of us.
I am so sick of this all...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
bt, hopefully congress won't make another go at it...
September 30, 2008 - 17:31 ET by R D Helm...given that public opinion is running 9 to 1 against it. Hell, even the dims aren't that stupid.
And what the hell is up with George W. Bush doing his best imitation of Chicken Little? Every time I walk by a TV, I see it.
Sickening.
-Dave
Fear makes people do weird things....it makes their brains stop working. - Dave Ramsey
My troll fuse length today: 0.000mm
Not a Bail-Out package anymore it is a "Rescue Package" Now
September 30, 2008 - 17:41 ET by bigtimerDave....
THEY ARE!
That is my point...the Senate is going with this now...going to change the name of it to the Rescue Package or some such, fiddle with a few things, hand it back to the House...I don't know...this is sick...they do not LISTEN to us out here!
I have also heard in the last hour that Hillary and Kerry want the House to take it up again...
No matter what, they are going to attempt to shove this down our throat by Friday...one way or the other.
Dave I am talking about the republican side of the aisle this morning talking about this in morning hour and forward, I couldn't take it anymore...they are doing what McCain wants.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
»→ Rescue Me?
September 30, 2008 - 17:49 ET by Cool ArrowSure, I'll take some of that Rescue Package. Where do I sign up?
I'm loving this Clinton/Kerry angle. Nice to see Sen. Clinton taking a lead role in demonstrating Obama's leadership.
"I've got a bracelet too" - Barack Obama
bt...
September 30, 2008 - 17:49 ET by Clear thinkerMaybe the best move for us taxpayers is to call all our Reps and tell them to stay the hell home for the next few months. This would then help the problem do some healing. The market bounced back today nicely and there was NO bailout yesterday. This should tell everyone something!!!
Liberals Lash Out At Sarah’s Parents
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Ct I couldn't agree
September 30, 2008 - 18:02 ET by bigtimerCt I couldn't agree more...they are THE problem...
Plus Ct...wall-street, or better put the some of the talking heads on the business channels are saying that Wall St. is telling us out here, see we can get our way, we went down 777 yesterday, after we didn't get what we wanted, we rebounded today by 485, probably will tomorrow, but Katie bar the door if you do not have something passed by Friday...they will punish us peons out here...
I am serious...
Screw THEM!
...and all the politicains...they caused a lot of this.
Btw...consumer confidence was up again today...third straight report in a row now.
McCain said the Treasury has 1 Trillion to infuse...so do it, leave us alone McCain, all of you politicians who want to make points out of this...
They act as if this is their friggin' money they are talking about, the arrogance of these people make me ill.
The only rescue package I want is for these morons to be out of our lives!
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
So, its a "Rescue Package" now, eh?
September 30, 2008 - 17:55 ET by R D HelmWell, golly Sgt. Carter, I feel much better about it now! :-^)
Good grief! What a bunch of morons!
You know, McCain's move to suspend the campaign and rush back to DC to "Save the Republic" is looking stupider (is that a word?) now than when he actually did it.
He has some real geniuses running his campaign. Come to think of it, he ain't the brightest bulb in the chandelier himself.
I think I am going to be ill. :-(
-Dave
Fear makes people do weird things....it makes their brains stop working. - Dave Ramsey
My troll fuse length today: 0.000mm
»→ Slutting for PDS
September 30, 2008 - 16:56 ET by Cool ArrowNaughty bits are covered for the News release only.
Bruce Elliott, whose wife owns the Old Town Ale House, [Chicago] painted this
nude portrait of Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin. He
said his daughter, who does a good impression of the Alaska governor,
served as model. (Kuni Takahashi, Chicago Tribune / September 29, 2008)
Just so y'all understand, Bruce Elloiott ogled his naked daughter long enough to paint her portrait. Bruce Elliott further decided to show off his daughter's naked body in a beer joint to satisfy his Palin Derangement Syndrome.
Ladies and gentlemen, that's the kind of depravity we're up against.
"I've got a bracelet too" - Barack Obama
Depravity indeed
September 30, 2008 - 17:04 ET by bigtimerDepravity indeed Cool...
I am just speechless with anger...just deplorable.
His daughter...their bar...my Gawd.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Cool... This is getting
September 30, 2008 - 18:06 ET by Clear thinkerCool...
This is getting downright stupid. I thank God every day that I'm a Conservative!
Liberals Lash Out At Sarah’s Parents
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As I have been reading everyones.....
September 30, 2008 - 17:01 ET by BEGRUNTcomments today....this popped into my head. We all know Obama is an empty suit, but speaks well. No foriegn policy experience, no real federal experience.......flat out NO experience. So what are we left with.......a piece of clay that can be molded and formed. I feel that Obama is that clay, and will be molded by the likes of Soros, Ayers, Alinski, et al. He will be a figurehead controled from the shadows....he has way too many "markers" that will be called in if he is elected. IMO, he will be beholding to these people, and be President in name only. This is why he was "selected".
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
BEGRUNT, and if McCain doesn't get his act together...
September 30, 2008 - 17:12 ET by R D Helm...like right now, that lump-of-clay is going to be the next POTUS.
-Dave
Fear makes people do weird things....it makes their brains stop working. - Dave Ramsey
My troll fuse length today: 0.000mm
Spot on Dave!!
September 30, 2008 - 17:16 ET by BEGRUNTMcCain could have hammered Bore-ack into the ground last Friday but didn't.......I have been scratching my head since. When is he going to get tough with the "clueless one"? The clock is ticking..........
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
If nothing else was learned...
September 30, 2008 - 17:29 ET by PrairieSkyfrom the debate last week, I hope McCain and Co. now know that crunch time is rapidly approaching, and it's time for the gloves to come off!
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
You just summed up...
September 30, 2008 - 17:12 ET by PrairieSkywhy I am so worried about what will happen to this country if he is elected.
As I stated in an earlier post in this thread, I just can't understand what it is that people see in him. What is it about Obama that makes some people think he has the answers, when it is so clear to many of us, that he is clueless?? Media influence or not, I just don't understand it.
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
PS, welcome to the age of the DumbmAsses.
September 30, 2008 - 17:14 ET by R D Helm-Dave
Fear makes people do weird things....it makes their brains stop working. - Dave Ramsey
My troll fuse length today: 0.000mm
RD...
September 30, 2008 - 17:18 ET by PrairieSkySadly, I fear you may be right...
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
PS, one thing we have going for us about Obama leading...
September 30, 2008 - 21:29 ET by R D Helm...is that all through the primaries, Obama's actual results were always lower than the polling data suggested they would be. I think the respondents were lying to the pollsters.
I hope they are now, as well.
I normally pay little attention to polls, but it concerns me that McCain is where he is right now.
-Dave
Fear makes people do weird things....it makes their brains stop working. - Dave Ramsey
My troll fuse length today: 0.000mm
RD...You're right...
September 30, 2008 - 22:21 ET by PrairieSkyI'd almost forgotten that from the primaries... Interestingly, I heard last week that a number of Dems inside the party are worried about that exact thing... that people are not being honest with the pollsters. Apparently, there is some real concern that for a variety of reasons, possible latent racism among them, a significant number of Dems will not vote for Obama, regardless of what they may say to a pollster.
Despite that, I share your concern about McCain's current position in the polls. The election is five weeks from today, which in politics is usually considered a lifetime. Let's just hope it's enough time for the tide to turn back in our favor.
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
PS...I have been hoping...
September 30, 2008 - 17:27 ET by BEGRUNTand praying that all this Obama worship is a creation of the MSM.....and does not reflect the true feelings of Americans in general. I think most of the Pro Obama interviews/polls are contrived, and manipulated into thinking more people think that way. This is either going to be a squeaker, or a blow out. If its a blow out, I believe it will go to McCain.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
BEGRUNT...
September 30, 2008 - 17:41 ET by PrairieSkyI truly hope that you're right on this...I hope that many of the polling results that we are constantly seeing are skewed and inaccurate. At this point, I really don't know whether to trust any of these polls.
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
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September 30, 2008 - 17:44 ET by Cool ArrowI'd be pointing my finger in Obama's face with
Or something diplomatic, like that.
"I've got a bracelet too" - Barack Obama
Cool...That's perfect!
September 30, 2008 - 17:53 ET by PrairieSkyI love it... "Or something diplomatic, like that." Your meaning is perfect, and is exactly what needs to said. Now, if McCain will just say it!!
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
Okay...we need some silliness, today is too serious
September 30, 2008 - 20:12 ET by BlondeI'm nominating this dude for a Darwin award:
Sleeping on Railroad Tracks.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive