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For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: Nancy Pelosi is trying to save the planet!

With fewer than 20 legislative days before the new fiscal year begins Oct. 1, the entire appropriations process has largely ground to a halt because of the ham-handed fighting that followed Republican attempts to lift the moratorium on offshore oil and gas exploration. And after promising fairness and open debate, Pelosi has resorted to hard-nosed parliamentary devices that effectively bar any chance for Republicans to offer policy alternatives.

“I’m trying to save the planet; I’m trying to save the planet,” she says impatiently when questioned. “I will not have this debate trivialized by their excuse for their failed policy.”

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“I’m trying to save the

“I’m trying to save the planet; I’m trying to save the planet,” she says impatiently when questioned. “I will not have this debate trivialized by their excuse for their failed policy.”

Madam speaker, seeing that many of the "clean energy" technologies are still 10-20 years away, how can we bridge this gap when you refuse to alow drilling of any kind? You claim that the current administraition has a failed pollicy, yet you offer no new ideas for how to bridge the gap until the new technologies are available to all citizens. How can the american people trust you to lower their energy costs, gass costs, and offer new ideas when you have proven over the past 2 years that you would rather do nothing than work with the administration for the good of the country.

My List of Things To Do

Things to do today:

* Smile hard.

* Pretend not to understand criticism.

* Have staff member actually explain criticism to me.

* Read Daily Kos. 

* Smile hard.

Nancy

Dr

I think you meant to say, "Try Hard to Smile"

With all the surgery and botox she has to reeeally concentrate.

 

just sayin

was nancy elected to "SAVE

was nancy elected to "SAVE THE PLANET?!"

not hardly 

her job is "house-keeping"

i get fired if I don't do my job, nancy

you must be special:)

I got a feeling...

(my second Beatles reference today)

I got a feeling that this enviro-garbage is starting to wear thin on people. I see it in some of the semi-greens around me. They are generally conservative, but buy into some of the green talk.

We were just discussing a recent incident in Washington State where a motorist fought back against a bunch of mob bicyclists known as "Critical Mass" -- they apparently block traffic once a month to make an environmental point.

Those "cyclists" should try that with real "bikers" around. They wouldn't get far.

<insert witty signature here>

I just went to that site...

I applaud that driver and only wish he was driving a semi-trailer. 

"9 out of 10 doctors agree that flag burning is the number one killer of liberals."

Don't waste our time telling us ethanol is a bad idea...

The Senate was determined to implement what a billionaire expert warned them was a bad idea. And people still wonder why I distrust the government so much...
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

I know I don't wonder.

Have you seen Picken's commercial where he states that he has a plan for our country's energy woes?  It's quite the teaser.

She could help

our planet by stepping off

Still Spinning

Save the earth, the libs, or the people...

JDW

Who got the gavel? SHE got the gavel!

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/12122.html

 “And when you win the election, you win the majority, and what is the power of the speaker? To set the agenda, the power of recognition, and I am not giving the gavel away to anyone.” -Pelosi from this interview.

I'm somewhat new to following the political goings-on. Were the repub's ever so tough-sounding when they had the majority. Sounds like she's bowing up... like flinching her shoulders at us. She could probably kick Lindsay Graham's *ss, right?

I am rooting for Mccain. if in the event Obama wins, I will then be rooting for some tough conservative leaders.

 

((dang that "up your arsenal" girl!!!)) (( I am going to go blind!))

I will not have this debate

I will not have this debate trivialized by their excuse for their failed policy

More Projection from libs.  So let's look at this from the flip side, the doubling of the cost of gasoline since the Dem 2006 takeover of Congress has been a resounding success?

The banning of domestic oil drilling has resulting in lower, the same or greater oil consumption in the US?  Greater consumption via oil coming from foreign sources.  So all the Dem efforts to reduce oil consumption has been a resounding success?

The budget deficit has continued to increase despite over $1 trillion a year increase from the Bush tax cuts.  The Dems want the tax cut to expire and Obama has said he would sign any bill that ended it earlier.  So by rasing taxes on a slowing economy which is realing from energy rising faster than it can absorb, slamming the economy into a recession is your plan to increase the revenue into the US Treasury, you call this a successful plan?   

The banning of domestic drilling has cost the US Treasury $2.5 Trillion over the last 5 years in lost royalities.  So Dems think adding $2.5 Trillion to the national debt instead of balancing the budget is a successful strategy?

Demanding that illegals not be deported and thus allowing them to take jobs from citizens is good pulic policy?   Ever increasing unemployment is good for the economy and the standard of living?  Hospitals flooded with people who can't pay their bills is good for the solvency of the medical care industry?  The medical care industry charging (to cover their losses) insurance companies and Medicare more for services rendered is going to keep prices down? 

Yeah, I can see why you don't want a debate, you might just get blamed for being an incompetent idiot once the alternatives are submitted for consideration.

 Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.  

Lib Skewed Logic

The party which represents the poor, depraved, impecunious... does not build from the bottom up. These cads are focused on obliterating from top down. It is quite obvious who is most affected in the end.

JDW

darn it..

You beat me to it DS.

Well said. 

Trying to Save the Planet

“I’m trying to save the planet; I’m trying to save the planet”

No, you're cozying up to the likes of Al Gore and people trying to make a profit off of global warming.

On a sidenote, it seems that trying to save the planet really isn't helping Democrats for their convention.  Seems the wind turbines aren't generating any electricy.

http://facethestate.com/articles/dnc-boondoggle-carbon-credits-fund-broken-turbine

Self-propelled gas bags

Give those wind turbines time.  When the conventioneers start arriving in Denver there will be enough blustery hot air to fuel the entire country for a week.

 

<insert witty signature here>

I'm trying to save the planet

What ego!!!!!   She thinks she can single-handedly

save the planet?   She can't even run the Congress.

She stops oil drilling from even being voted on.

Her ego is not going to save the planet, run cars,

ships, trucks, trains,etc.etc.etc.  not even the

wind from her mouth will accomplish anything.

Pelosi's latest makeover

can be found here.

 

<insert witty signature here>

Excelsior!!! *shwiiiiiish

Excelsior!!! *shwiiiiiish (flying sound)*

The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy

Question

Why is SOBama going to meet with the Chairman of the FED???

Who the hell does he think we think he is??

I cannot stand the brass this walks around with.

What gives?

I am really getting angry and frustrated.

Delsa he is a member of the

Delsa he is a member of the Senate and a canditate for President.  As much as I disagreed with his stops in Germany UK and Paris and meeting with heads of state there Obama is now in domestic territory and is actually doing what he should be doing.  Now is he just trying to do his senate job, no, but its better than his whirlwind international tour.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Interesting one on top of the other news headlines on Excite

Anyone else catch this interesting 2 headlines, one on top of the other, on Excite today.  Seems they're not sure which is true!   

• 
Stocks jump after consumer confidence data

 • 
Americans remain gloomy about economy

Guess we're gloomy but have confidence?  Someone help me out here!

Not all stocks jumped

Unless that earnings cliff Merrill just jumped off counts...I think it's questionable whether they'll even survive to Christmas.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Sarc, so you say no MERRILL LYNCH in 2009! Are you a betting ma

Sarc, so you say no MERRILL LYNCH in 2009!  Are you a betting man?  Think I'd like a little of that action.  Everyone yells at oil cos getting record profits, never heard anything yelling over ML & others when they got theirs!  Now they pay, but they'll stay!

Merrill Lynch Gone by Christmas?

Not with John Thain at the Helm!

 

"They're both doofuses!" --Mark Levin (speaking of Obama and McCain)

Not that particular bet, and I said *maybe* no Merrill.

But the bets I have made with NB regulars, I've won. 100% of 'em. I'd make a bet on GM's "Ditech" division dying before I'd bet on Merrill dying, but how could the bet be fair if we're seeing constant socialist bailouts under a system dishonestly described as "capitalism"??

As long as we're not under a system of capitalism, and we're obviously not, any proposed bet on any financial stock is impossible unless the terms of the bet deal with what to do in case of yet-more socialism in the land of the free. In theory, because of nasty counterparty risk possibilities, the bailout of Bear Stearns might have already saved Merrill's existence once this year.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Doing his Senate JOB?

You have to be kidding.

SOBama is meeting with ? and meeting with ? and meeting with ?

Who cares?

Let him sit in on hearings! That may be a good start and he'd actually be in the Senate doing the WORK of a Senator.

What is this marxist going to take away from speaking to the Fed Chair?

Is he going to change his economic outlook or approach.

No!!!

This is all for Public consumption. There is no there there.

Just like the prayer he left at the wall. He gave permission for the note to be published so we might all think he is a Christisan and not a member of the G Damn America Church.

Think what you will but SOBama is doing anything BUT his job!

SOBama is doing anything

SOBama is doing anything BUT his job!  I agree but meeting with the FED chair is within teh scope of being a senator.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

You mean Obama is on the

You mean Obama is on the Banking Committee afterall?  snark, snark

 Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.  

Excellent point dscott

I am sorry I forgot to make it myself.

But then I have fellow posters like you.

thank you

 

real estate in florida? call me!

 

 

Thanks, I must be on a roll

Thanks, I must be on a roll today...at least on this thread. LOL

 Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.  

Peloooosi

Someone needs to ask her how much more imported oil is she comfortable with? We're near 70% now, is 80 or 90 ok with her?

One of her solutions is to release oil from the SPR. Wonder if she knows how it got there?  By drilling someplace for it.

Instead their ideas are to call hearing with oil company executives and accuse and point fingers.  That didn't work, so now it's off to accuse speculators.  Then it was sue opec.

Now Rep. Nadler of NY wants to reopen the old  canal system.  I see the price of mules rising.

"Their failed policy"

"I will not have this debate trivialized by their excuse for their failed policy.”

 Whose Failed policy?  She is not a member of this congress?

   She is a part of "their failed policy"

The Dems always blame the Republicans for the Dems "failed policy"  

  The Republicans are not angels themselves and I believe they are part of the problem also, but the Dems I believe are the bigger part of the problem

 

 I suppose Obami is

 I suppose Obami is meeting with the Fed Chair to get an idea on just how high he can raise our taxes. The last man that was running for president and said he was going to have to raise taxes was Mondale. Obami needs to be treated worse than Mondale.

However, I do not think McCain is up for hammering Obami. Such is politics today. Unfortunately. I was waiting for a Willie Horton moment.

You missed it?  That lady

You missed it?  That lady crying on TV about her dead husband and 2 sons killed by an illegal who was repeatedly jailed is not a Willie Horton moment?????  If the GOP had any sense what so ever, they would get her permission to run a NO MORE OPEN BORDERS campaign contrasted with Obama's nuanced position on illegal immigration.  http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Danielle+Bologna&search=Search

Here you go GOP, can you Keystone Cops do something right for change and finally put illegal immigration in perspective to hit home where people live??????  jeeeesh.

 Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.  

Good point dscott. I am

Good point dscott. I am familiar with that story. It does play with those of us that are trying to get McCain to close the border.

However, I am waiting for the "Willie Horton" ad that gets the left's lather up. At that point I'll know we'll have a winning strategy. I guess I just like to poke the left in the eye. I know, that's just plain mean.

not a chance

Except for a few good hearts like Michelle Bachmann up here in Minnesota the greatest number of Republicans have imploded. They've had a number of good items to beat the Demoncrats bloody with but passed up every time. They've made themselves hostage to the Dims with the faint expectation of getting some of their pet legislation through. Yeah, and the check's in the mail.

Jeez, d.....that's all they

Jeez, d.....that's all they need.

Any Republbican committee runs an ad with that, anywhere, and the Dems will be screaming "Willie Horton!" morning, noon, and night.

Until McCain apologizes.

Which he will.

And if the group doesn't listen to him and stop it, the Obama campaign will rag on him for being powerless to stop it.

It's a lose-lose situation.

Obama's theme song

Just another liberal

Just another liberal elitist with a Messiah complex. There is room for only one Savior in the universe. The rest are immitators.

"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." Acts 16:31

And now, today's Shrub

And now, today's Shrub Report®:

 Another clear example of this administration's failed policy of torturing innocent prisoners. Close Guantanamo!

Sorry, folks, but this is just plain silly.

Stalwart NBer Saw the Light agrees with this Shrubber that these two make a great pair!

As Europe moves away from Socialism, the American Left wants to move us CLOSER…

The Time-Waster of the Day.

Whoops! The Hopeful Changer gets busted.

Rock and roll birthdays today: Rush's Geddy Lee ( real name: Gary Lee Weinrib) turns 55, while guitar god John Sykes turns 49.

This brings back memories of the baby milk factory, doesn't it?

Thank God the Dems did not get their latest bill passed.

Al-Qaeda gets their priorities in order.

Look at the bright side: this might count for their annual bath!

This tactic didn't work against Iraq, so let's try it again!

So, my union brothers and sisters, where are your dues going?

 

And, finally, An Olympics Update

And the Shrubinator does it

And the Shrubinator does it again! Great report Shrub, I always enjoy this section at NB. Thumbs up!

"Nuke 'em 'til they... oh hell, just shoot 'em!"

Jim Adkisson

goes on a shotgun rampage at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church because he hated the liberal movement - as well as gays.  His home library included copies of "Liberalism is a Mental Health Disorder" by radio talk show host Michael Savage, "Let Freedom Ring" by talk show host Sean Hannity, and "The O'Reilly Factor," by television talk show host Bill O'Reilly.  And a set of brass knuckles.  Maybe he used them as a bookend.

How is Faux Noise ("Some people say...You decide!") going to handle this one?

Are these authors going to demonstrate any personal responsibility for the hate they spew every day?  Ann Falter suggests pointing out Mr. Adkisson's political views is irrelevant.  If one were writing about a KKK lynching, should a newspaper mention their views on race?

The Church advocates women's and gay rights, feeds the homeless, and founded a chapter of the ACLU.  On Sunday eight good people were shot watching children perform Annie - and two have died. 

Bad things happen to good

Bad things happen to good people Frank, no place is immune to nutjobs and every group has a couple; but come to think about it, your group does have an inordinate number of nutjobs so I understand your attitude to point the finger in order to deflect your group's general failings. 

btw - from what I heard so far, you know, that concept of gathering facts before you form an opinion, is this person went to that church in the past, his wife was a member and he wasn't...  So as more news comes out and someone besides the MSM starts asking good questions like: Was there marital difficulties, did the guy blame the church for souring of marriage, did some of the parishioners takes sides or support the other spouse in said difficulties....  You know those probing human interest questions.

 Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.  

what was the unibomber

what was the unibomber reading again:)...?

Was it Earth in the Lurch

Was it Earth in the Lurch by Owl Gore?  

Be kind to your kids. They'll be choosing your nursing home.

we must hold al

we must hold al responsible!

btw what was Stalin reading? or Hitler? or Hussein? or OBL? or Castro?

Who is Ann Falter?

Who is Ann Falter?

Here's a couple of more

Here's a couple of more tidbits of info on the case: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,393103,00.html?sPage=fnc/us/crime

...Adkisson's ex-wife once belonged to the church but hadn't attended in years, said Ted Jones, the congregation's president. Police spokesman Darrell DeBusk declined to comment on whether investigators think the ex-wife's link was a factor in the attack...

...The couple had been married for nearly 10 years when Liza Alexander wrote in requesting the order that Adkisson threatened "to blow my brains out and then blow his own brains out." She told a judge she feared for her life...

...Adkisson was a loner who hates "blacks, gays and anyone different from him," longtime acquaintance Carol Smallwood of Alice, Texas...

...The Unitarian-Universalist church advocates women's rights...

..."It appears that what brought him to this horrible event was his lack of being able to obtain a job...

...Adkisson, who had been on the verge of losing his food stamps...

...Adkisson "stated that he had targeted the church because of its liberal teachings and his belief that all liberals should be killed because they were ruining the country," investigator Steve Still wrote...

So Frank, with some sparse info. let's connect the dots and do some speculation, shall we?  I will speculate the following, of course you can speculate using less facts and just blame everyone else as you already have demonstrated.  

Many churches including Christian Churches have feminist women's support groups who preach women's victimization (code for women's rights) and tell women how to toss their husbands from the home using DV charges by making unsubstantiated claims which no one can contradict other than the accused.  The ex-wife went around and assassinated his character to friends and neighbors thus isolating him from any support system.  Adkisson blamed the Church for causing his divorce and supporting his ex-wife in taking him to the cleaners leaving him destitute.  Adkisson being unemployed and at the prospect of going hungry seeing he had nothing left to loose in this life decided to take as many self righteous liberals with him as he could and go out in a blaze of glory. 

Now I don't approve of what he did, but I can understand why he did it.  You know Frank, the most dangerous person in the world is the one who has absolutely nothing to loose.  I personally find it's the self righteous ones who typically put others in that position in their zeal to prosecute their moral imperitives.  You get my point?

 Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.  

dscott:

There wasn't any speculation in my comments.  Straight from the available news reports.  You, of course, may speculate all you want.  It won't replace the facts as we know them today.  You make the x-Mrs. Adkisson to be the bad person in all this - with no basis in fact, of course.  "Unsubstantiated claims?"  If she thought her life was in danger, events proved her to have been correct.

Nice job selecting and editing the story.  Police Chief Sterling Owen was quoted as saying Mr. Adkisson "hated the liberal movement" and was upset with "liberals in general as well as gays."

Fact.

Four page "manifesto" found in Mr. Adkisson's truck.  And books by Bull O'Really?, Sheer Insannity and The Silly Savage found in his home.

Facts.

Nice job smearing the wounded and dead as self righteous.  You know these poor folks personally?  Or is it the simple fact that they were there to see some children perform Annie enough for you? 

Finally, if you understood history you would understand the most dangerous people are not those with nothing to lose.  Nothing to lose, nothing to fight for.  Revolutions foment from people who have started to get something and then see it threatened.  Those are the ones to watch out for.

So Frankie what was your

So Frankie what was your point?  I think we should hold this nutcase and all nutcases feet to the fire prosecuting to the fullest extents of the law.  Was that your point, or were you trolling?

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

in a desperate partisan

in a desperate partisan attempt to stifle free speech, libs wish to burn books instead of letting people read them, so the left tries to hijack and leverage any possible event - tragic or otherwise - and in this case hold conservative authors culpible for the actions of criminals with conservative books in their library...

of course in true leftward fashion the same logic would not apply to them - such as in the case of the unibomber - do as they say not as they do, hypocracy thy name is liberal, etc...

the left is desperate for vindication and relevancy these days, and in their pursuit there is no bottom to the depths they seem willing to sink

when the Oklahoma bombing happened they tried to blame Rush and talk radio

and these days I've even seen them try to blame 9/11 on the current Iraqi invasion - even though 9/11 happened first

TruthMonger:

You comment "...libs wish to burn books instead of letting people read them..."  I've read about some very misguided attempts to ban "Huckleberry Finn."  Can you name any other times "liberals" have tried to ban books?

The most famous book burnings, of course, were by the ultra-right wing Nazis.

Here in the US, we've seen parents object to Harry Potter (witchcraft), The Catcher In The Rye (both the most banned and most required title in American schools), et. al.  Who was behind those efforts?

Then we had The Silly Savage take people to court for having the nerve to quote his hate - that one didn't get very far, either, did it?

uh frank, the nazi's were

uh frank, the nazi's were socialists - ultra left wing by US standards

i could name many, many liberal attempts to ban books - from univerisities and grade schools

from public libraries

and not just books - but also films (The Passion)

and talk radio (Rush Limbuagh)

and media networks (Clear Channel)

and songs (CCM)

and much much more if you like...

but you are correct that some conservatives also try to ban books - not as many, or successfully as the left...

TruthMonger:

The Nazis were socialists in name only.  They were ultra right wingers who hated - and fought - the moderate and left wing folks (including, of course, communists).  The Silly Savage has been pushing for years the idea that the Nazis were left wingers.  They weren't.

While the original conversation was about books, what do people have against Clear Channel?  That it's too much consolidation?

I certainly do not agree that liberals try to ban books as often as conservatives.  And you said "burn" - not ban...

dang we are parsing today -

dang we are parsing today - i do apologize

i used the word "burning" more metaphorically than literally - my fault for not providing a disclaimer 

and we will just have to agree to disagree on the Nazi's - although they walked and talked like commies - they didn't like non-nazi commies due to competitive ferver as opposed to ideological disagreement but whatever - I know you don't want to see it that way - and that's fine - I don't want to see it your way either

bottom line is the left has a serious fascist censorship problem - not the right - and it's been that way for about 100 years now...

TruthMonger:

Book burning is a very specific act, forever made particularly terrible by its Nazi association.  Ole BlunderRush, by the way, is a very different case from newspapers or books.  BlunderRush depends on the public airwaves (not that the broadcasters actually pay for the use of them, of course).

Check out the web sometime for some very interesting discussion of whether the Nazis were right- or left-wing.  They were quite different from communists (take religion, for example, or economics).

Then you claim liberals are fascists?  And have been trying to censor for 100 years?  Huh?  You mean when the Postal Service wouldn't let people mail information about birth control?  Or Anthony Comstock?  Or the Hayes Office?  You'll find that conservatives are far more interested in limiting books they do not agree with.

Finally - fascism is an economic theory - not a political one.

Sounds like socialism to me

Finally - fascism is an economic theory - not a political one

Sounds like socialism to me. Amongst the 25 points that Hitler started the Nationalist Socialist Party were:

We demand the nationalization of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).

We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.

We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.

We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its
conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and
their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration
of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.

We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a
law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public
utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation
in land.

We demand struggle without consideration against those whose
activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national
criminals, usurers, Schieber and so forth are to be punished with
death, without consideration of confession or race.

We demand substitution of a German common law in place of the Roman Law serving a materialistic world-order.

The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction
of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and
industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently
introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all
educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of
practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be
striven for by the school [Staatsbuergerkunde] as early as the
beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of
the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents
without consideration of position or profession.

The State is to care for the elevating national health by
protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the
encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment
of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all
organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.

We demand abolition of the mercenary troops and formation of a national army.

We demand legal opposition to known lies and their promulgation
through the press. In order to enable the provision of a German press,
we demand, that: a. All writers and employees of the newspapers
appearing in the German language be members of the race: b. Non-German
newspapers be required to have the express permission of the State to
be published. They may not be printed in the German language: c.
Non-Germans are forbidden by law any financial interest in German
publications, or any influence on them, and as punishment for
violations the closing of such a publication as well as the immediate
expulsion from the Reich of the non-German concerned. Publications
which are counter to the general good are to be forbidden. We demand
legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a
destructive influence on our national life, and the closure of
organizations opposing the above made demands.

We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations
within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or
oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. The Party as such
advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding
itself confessionally to any one denomination. It combats the
Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that
a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the
framework: common utility precedes individual utility.

For the execution of all of this we demand the formation of a
strong central power in the Reich. Unlimited authority of the central
parliament over the whole Reich and its organizations in general. The
forming of state and profession chambers for the execution of the laws
made by the Reich within the various states of the confederation. The
leaders of the Party promise, if necessary by sacrificing their own
lives, to support by the execution of the points set forth above
without consideration.

dbo:

Here is an interesting and rather straightforward discussion of the issue:

http://remember.org/guide/Facts.root.nazi.html

Perhaps the extremes of political thought are not linear - perhaps the very left and very right wings are, indeed, wings that curve back upon the body politic with their tips touching.

I would hope we can agree that both extremes are certainly around the bend...

To each according to his needs

Perhaps the extremes of political thought are not linear

Perhaps, but I was commenting on your statement "fascism is an economic theory - not a political one". Notice your link states exactly the opposite. It is an interesting article but of little relevance here. The comments in your link by a "pointy headed professor" do not change the ideology of Hitler. The words above are Hitler's himself. Notice the emphasis on "we" and "the state". Nationalization of industry, division of profits, expansion of social security, expropriation of land, control of the press, "free" state education, elevating national health all sound like left wing talking points to me.

I would hope we can agree that both extremes are certainly around the bend

I'm glad you you think the above economic platform is extreme. As for your generic statement, yes, I can agree to that.

Frank, you are kidding,

Frank,

you are kidding, Liberals do not try to censor books?  eh?!

I will tell you one book that is banned from all public schools thanks to Liberals.  The Bible!

Furthermore, Soviet Union also had its days of book burning.  Unsure where you get off claiming that it was only the Nazis that did book burnings.

Not to mention that while both Nazis and Communists have murdered people in the millions.  Communist economic and political ideology has caused the death of over 100 millinon human beings.  Nazis, about 20 million.  Both are horrific, horrific numbers.  But if you want to play the numbers game, the Communist ideology is far worst than the Nazi ideology.

Funny thing is that Liberals do not mind the Communist brand.  In fact, too many of them are proud to wear it.  Do not forget Obama's campaign office which has hanging behind the campaign leader a Castro picture with the Cuban flag.  Liberals are proud Communist. 

The Nazi brand, as it should be, is associated with murder, intolerance, death, holocoust.  Well Frank, so should the Communist brand. 

Maybe you can explain why LIberals hate Nazis, yet too many of them embrace communist. 

The Liberal's love affair with Cuba and the Soviet Union during the Cold War is horrendous, disgraceful and pathetic.

Don't forget that the New York Times wrote a loving and very positive article on the Soviet Union and Stalin, while Stalin was murdering millions of Russians, Latvians, Ukranians, Georgians, etc. 

Do not forget that many of today's Liberals leaders in the 1960s were young, dumb fools that carried with them Mao Tsung's little Red Book.  Today this young and dumb fools are no longer young, but they are still dumb and fools. 

fotbolisgreat1:

Prayer in public school is not illegal.  The ACLU went to court on the side of a high school young lady who wanted a Bible quote under her photo in the yearbook.  Can the Bible alone be taught?  Nope.  Is it banned?  Are students forbidden to read a Bible at school? Not the school my kids go to.

Sorry you bought the urban myth about the poster.  It wasn't Castro, by the way.  And it wasn't a "campaign office."  It was an office of volunteers.  While I wouldn't put up such a photo myself, I do own a pair of Vans with the Che photo and crossed bones behind it.  Cool, actually.

Since we're strolling down history's lane, what about the love affair conservative isolationists had with Nazi Germany prior to WW II.  Ford and Lindberg and the rest?  IBM selling punch cards?  Remember Sen. Vandenberg and how FDR had to ease us into the fight on the side of the Allies?

And those Republican administrations that propped up tinpot dictators because they were rapid right wingers - including the Shan of Iran?  CIA intervention in elections - including for years financing the conservative party in Japan?

History's path is littered with errors - on both sides. 

 

Lord, Help Us!  Nazis

Lord, Help Us! 

Nazis were pagans.  Nazis liked human experimentation, and human life was not sacred and worthy, but only useful as a means to an end.  Sounds a lot like some of what modern liberalism spouts.  Especially so, when it comes to the enviro-terrorists who hate human life because it somehow hurts and destroys the planet.   Abortion is a sacrament to most liberals!

kathleenirish!

OMG!

Kath..where the heck ya' been?!

So glad to see you!

Missed your posts and your one and only wit!!!

Please do not stay away so long gal!!!!!!!

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Kathleenirish, EXACTLY!!!

Kathleenirish,

EXACTLY!!! 

Liberals that support abortion and fight for abortion are no different than the Nazi SS, and all the other Nazis that fought hard and joined in the murdering of millions of Jews. 

In fact, much like the Nazis dehumanized the Jews in order to feel ok when they murdered them, Liberals today have dehumanized the human baby as to not feel guilty for killing him/her.  Of course, this is the same thing that Communists in China, Russia, Cuba, N. Korea, etc have also done.  Dehumanize a sector of society in order to justify murdering it in the millions.

Not only that, many top brass Nazi leaders were homosexuals who constantly raped young children.  Pedophile was a way of life for many Nazis.  The old Liberla mantra that homosexuals were persecuted under the Nazi regime is a not exactly true.  The Nazis ranks, from top to bottom were filled with homosexuals. 

Both the Nazi movement and the Communist movement are very much like today's LIberal movement.

Of course the Nazi's had one good thing going for them...

they were against abortion. 

In 1936 Nazi leader Heinrich Himmler created a Reich Central
Office for the Combating of Homosexuality and Abortion: Special Office
(II S), a subdepartment of Executive Department II of the Gestapo

(emphasis mine)

 

If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love youBut if you really make them think, they'll hate you.

Don Marquis 1878-1937

alot of "aborted" Jews

alot of "aborted" Jews coulda used some help from this guy:)

abortion has become the

abortion has become the world's greatest holocaust

with planned parenthood clinics as the furnace factories

chugging their choking "abortion smoke" into our increasingly smoggy moral atmsophere

further defiling and polluting our ethical envirnoment

dang - shakespeare aint got nothing on this post - i'm on a roll:) 

j frank, once again, you have proven your government-schooled...

...background.

The number of actuall "differences" between Nazis and commies can, quite literally, be counted on one finger.

It appears your government-agent (and that is exactly what they were) "teachers" screwed you in ways that you will probably never even realize.

As Dean Wormer once said, "Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son."

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

thanks RD

You tickle me with your blunt answers and straightforward logic.

candance,

Thanks, buddy.

I have always felt that the direct approach is best, as I somewhat pride myself in the fact that I have not allowed the, a'hem, "de-nadding" of political correctness to affect me.

Sadly, I cannot say the same about many so-called conservatives these days, and that includes some here at NB.  :-(

Of course, this attitude of mine has gotten me into trouble at times, IYKWIM.  :-)

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

Mr. Wilson, You make some

Mr. Wilson,

You make some great points. The Soviet Union never banned, censored or silenced dissent. Keep up the great work.

Sincerely,

Felix Dzerzhinsky

RtS:

The old Soviet Union has precisely as much relevance to the liberal/progressive movement of 2008 as do the WW II Nazis to the conservatives of 2008.

You lose, Frank.

Bad, bad, bad style there, Frank.

Too bad to be you, wrong and losing debates wholesale. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Blonde, you were so

Blonde, you were so right!

We need a better classroom of trolls here!

 

 

"They're both doofuses!" --Mark Levin (speaking of Obama and McCain)

Good one, Free

Is it just me....or has the trolling gone way, way over the top, lately?

We need a better class of troll, here.  

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

I think the libs are

I think the libs are sending people out to call talk shows, and post on blogs trying to promote Lib talking points.

It is a Presidential election year after all.

Double post - my bad.

Double post - my bad.

Typical Blonde

comment - no facts, let alone substance of any kind.  Just toss a few words out there as if they had meaning...

Frank, Are you kidding

Frank,

Are you kidding me?  The Soviet Union has a lot of relevance in today's liberal movement.  Many of today's leaders in the Liberal movement are great admirers of the Soviet Union.  The ACLU was founded by lovers of communism and the soviet union. 

Today's Liberals are influenced by the Soviet Union and its wrong headed ideals.

In fact, the Soviet Union may have died, but what it did not die was its ideals.  Furthermore, as we know through history, the goal of the communists in the USSR and around the world was also to infiltrate all levels of educatio, all religions, government, etc.  This happened.  Our education system is full, full! of ex-Soviet Union lovers.  Of Castro admirers.  and please do not challenge this, I work in the world of higher ed, I can assure you that countless professors still admire the old Soviet Union and adore Castro. 

as for your attempt to connect Conservatism to Nazism....eh?  nice try there.  I would challenge that Nazism is once again more similar in ideology to today's Liberals than Conservatism.

Do not forget that one of HItler's big slogan was for the people.  Do not forget what the name of the buggie is in German.  The people's car!  While Nazism and Communism are extreme oppossites of each other, in the political spectrum, they come around and touch each other and are a lot more similar than anyone is willing to acknowledge.

However, today's liberal movement is based on Soviet Era communism. 

Today's Liberals ideaology have everything to do with the Soviet Union's communist ideology. 

Familiarize yourself...

You clearly aren't familiar with the Mark Steyn case north of the border. Look into it sometime. 

Yeah, I know it is outside the U.S., but Leftists tend to behave the same no matter where they are found in the English speaking world. Like you, they cannot engage with the ideas presented.

Even your own childish behavior on here shows that you won't engage any of the Right's ideas: you'd rather name-call and demand they all SHUT UP at any and all costs.   

Whoever casts a vote for Barack Obama is nothing more than a common thief.  Whoever fails to vote against him is nothing more than a moral coward.

To cause a major distraction

I think Frankie’s point was to throw a hand grenade into this open thread for discussing his favorite ecoloon and Speaker of the House, and to cause a major distraction. When you consider how many people took the bait, I imagine Frankie reckons he had a pretty good day.

Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.

needle:

Nope.  This is an "Open Tread."  According to the heading, it is  "For general discussion and debate."  I just brought up a topic of the day - as discussed by Sheer Insannity on Monday afternoon and by Ann Falter on her website.

Frankie he said you were a

Frankie he said you were a dispicable troll and say nothing of consequence.  Sheesh we need a better class of troll.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Dan the Man 2:

I am dazzled by the force of your logic.  Perhaps someday you'll even manage to post an original joke...no, you're right.  Probably not.

This from the guy who says

This from the guy who says he lives in his mom's garage.

Free Stinker:

What's wrong with that?  You've never seen my Mom's garage.

frank

Do you keep a bottle of Lysol around to keep the smell of bong hits seeping through to upstairs? lol....just kidding :-)

Real life video games are cool

shawn228:

Dude - use a wet towel packed around the bottom of the door.

And never wash your sox - that way nobody can smell anything.

BTW:  Nice post - glad someone here finally understood it.  Are you an ALL fan?

Sorry Frank

I'm not up on my acronyms. What does ALL stand for?

Real life video games are cool

 "What does ALL stand

 "What does ALL stand for?"

Thats the preferential detergent used by a lot of "Emos" to get out mascara, nicotine and splooge stains that come from sitting around moms basement all day long whacking off to farm yard flicks.

 "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

                               " The Cake is a lie."   

lmao Blazer

farm yard flicks huh? Do you mean filmed at a farm or the cast are what we eat for dinner with applesauce?

Real life video games are cool

Be sure to cook thoroughly!

ROFL!

With applesauce? ;-)

sure free

You've never had pork chops with apple sauce? Or cider glazed shrimp? Chicken baked in a spicy apple marinade?

Strong cider makes an excellent barbeque sauce.

C

Pork chops and apple sauce was exactly what I was thinking. :-)

 

(remember Richie on Happy Days? "Pawk chops, and aahpel sawz")

fs

I think that was Peter Brady FS ;-) 

Real life video games are cool

I mean makin love to your

I mean makin love to your steak before you kill it. Not that theres anything wrong with that if thats your thing. -sarc 

However I have a fine selection of sauces I like to indulge with my meats, so guys, please clean up after yourselves. : )

 "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

                               " The Cake is a lie."   

 Nice job smearing the

 Nice job smearing the wounded and dead as self righteous.  You know these poor folks personally?  Or is it the simple fact that they were there to see some children perform Annie enough for you?  

I can feel your self righteousness rising. Of course Frank you selectively read my response and clearly edited out the part of where I said "Now I don't aprove of what he did".

Nice job selecting and editing the story.

Thanks for your left handed compliments Frank, but unlike you who assert facts not presented, I on the otherhand gave the reference link for people to actually read the background information for themselves.  It's up to the "informed" reader to gather the facts before forming an opinion, remember that concept Frank?  Now I could have simply dumped the entire article word for word and filled the thread, but then that would have detracted from the counterpoint I was making to yours.  Of course Frank, being a liberal, yours is the only acceptable opinion or interpretation of the facts, isn't that so?

Finally, if you understood history you would understand the most dangerous people are not those with nothing to lose.  Nothing to lose, nothing to fight for. 

Is that what liberals believe?  It's no wonder you get this wrong everytime, your understanding of human nature is severly lacking. 

 Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.  

Political?

How does he feel about Clinton's failure to do anything about terrorism?

Clinton fought the enemy in court rather than on the battlefield, using sealed information, classified testimony, and prevented intelligence agencies from learning what others knew. How many died needlessly?

Frank, which was the greater political disaster?

JDW

SAPPY NEWS

DAILY WAVE

JDW:

It always comes back to Gov. Clinton, doesn't it?

And how he "prevented intelligence agencies from learning what others knew?"  Don't believe every urban myth you read on the Internets.

Gov?

What did Pres Clinton do to respond to future attacks?


And how he "prevented intelligence agencies from learning what others knew?"

There was secret testimony referred to as 'the wall'. Query it and learn something over and above your political feelings.

JDW



JDW:

Yes, "Gov."  See, we only have one President of the United States at one time.  After they leave office, their titles revert to the highest title previously held.  It started with George Washington - after retiring as President, he became Gen. Washington.

In due course, President Bush will become Gov. Bush.  And it can't happen too soon. 

As to "The Wall" - I'm happy to burst your bubble.  It just isn't true.  But then, if wishing made things happen, we'd have won in Iraq long ago...

Again...

Reuters, 7/21/08: ...UNLV President David B. Ashley, President Bill Clinton, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg...

‘The wall’ was built by the Clinton admin and associate AG Jamie Gorelick. The libs do not like war, do not like to confront terrorism, kept it in court, prosecuted it in court because they did not take it seriously. Consequently people died needlessly.

Your reference was made to demonstrate a political motivation behind the murders of innocent people. How do these differ?

JDW



JDW:

You've managed to post a comment without a single fact.  Nicely done.

Here's some background on your "wall" - applies only to the Justice Department, evolved over the past 5 decades or so, re-affirmed by the Bush Administration because it's a good idea.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200508180007?f=s_search  

http://mediamatters.org/items/200508110001

 

 Actually, you probably did get one thing right.  No sane person "likes" war.  And if you've read and understand Sun Tzu, courts and the law are the proper way to prosecute terrorists.  The solution to terrorism lies in diplomatic, economic, military and political approaches working together - with the information overlay so very well discussed by David Killcullen. A perpetual war on terrorism is doomed to failure.  War is very messy, expensive, and out of control of all parties.  It is a last resort, not a first.  As Sun Tzu points out, the best generals win without fighting...

 

Shadow Libs

Libs normally do not address the subject at hand, they cannot. Rather than wasting more valuable time with you I have many references for you to read and learn about 'the wall'. This was written by McCarthy, a former chief assistant US attorney who led the 1995 terrorism prosecution against Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and eleven others.

If you are familiar enough with Media Matters to locate links, why are you spending time here?

Your Chinese war strategy was something I was taught decades ago. My instructor made certain we knew to always attack where our enemy could not defend. Liberal translation, not in court.

JDW

*snicker*

Sorry, I couldn't refrain from laughing after seeing Media Matters used as your source of "facts".

Whew, that was good stuff.

 

RtS:

Rather than avoid the issue, why don't you point out to all of us the factual (documentation or otherwise) errors in either of those two posts?

Oh. Was I supposed to

Oh. Was I supposed to actually read your links?

When I see links to websites like "Media Matters", it automatically gets rejected. It's that whole "Soros-funded, Clinton-created" propaganda thing, ya know? Touting MM as a credible source makes you look rather silly.

 

 

 

RtS:

Since neither of those two claims is true, it's obvious you aren't interested in taking the risk of learning something.  What are you afraid of?

 

The only "learning" that is

The only "learning" that is occuring here is this: we are learning that you are no different than any other liberal troll here: you get your news from left-wing hack opinion sites, and use it as factual sources to base your "knowledge" from.

Childish taunts will not change these facts, Frankie. It is up to you to understand the difference between left-wing propaganda and actual news sources.

RtS:

Do you really expect to be taken seriously when you repeat obvious errors (Soros-funded; Clinton-founded) and make no effort to correct them?  You call it a left-wing propaganda site but you don't look at it?

The facts remain.  While I'm confident you are an expert on hack opinion sites, you still can't escape the fact that the sources cited (sited?) are sound.

Wow. Loyal to the end,

Wow. Loyal to the end, aren't you? But, surely, you cannot be this stoopid, can you?

Media Matters was backed and given a helping hand by Clintonista, er, former Clinton chief of staff, John Podesta of the Center for American Progress. Hell, Hillary even took credit for Media Matters' creation. Surely you know all of this, and are being purposefully obtuse.

This has been extensively covered on this website, but I know you will dismiss any reporting by Newsbusters for similiar reasons I scoff at Media Matters (even though you cannot resist coming here on a regular basis). Many other blogs have covered the Soros/Clinton/MM connections. But, of course, if the NY or LA Times do not cover it, it must not be news, right?

As for the money trail, The Tides Foundation is a big donor, who gets money from, guess who? The Open Society Institute (they received $3 million in 2003 alone), who also funds the Center for American Progress, who helped found Media Matters. Even Media Matters has tried to spin their "non-involvement" with Soros, trying the oft-used "goalpost moving" trick.

Finally, here is a direct link between Soros' Democracy Alliance and Media Matters.

Thanks for the opportunity to expose your dumbassity. It does get tedious, though, havinng to rehash stuff that pretty much everybody else here has known for years.

RtS:

So someone who once worked for the Clinton's helped start Media Matters and suddenly it is a Clinton project?

As for your so-called money trail, isn't this what Tom DeLay said wasn't an illegal campaign contribution?  Corporations - barred from political campaign donations in Texas - gave money to the national party that in turn sent it back to Texas.  That's the money trail you describe.

If Mr. Soros wanted to donate seed money to start Media Matters, why wouldn't he simply have donated money to start it?

Finally, your attitude isn't surprising or particularly disappointing.  Just rude.  But you already knew that, didn't you? 

Boo hoo! Poor crybaby!

 Was I being rude to you? Did I make you cry? My attitude is a reflection of the type of person I am dealing with, Sparky.

You may choose to believe whatever you choose to believe. Your particular brand of "belief" does not carry much weight around here, since the overwhelming vast majority of people here at Newsbusters sniff out bullshit pretty easily, you have been dishing out healthy portions here on this website. I poked numerous, fact-filled holes into your weak platform, plain and simple. There is no debate here. You lost this one, Frankie.

You may go now.

 

 

Bush Boy:

Please don't concern yourself.  You did not hurt my feelings.  That would require actually caring what you wrote.  You seem a mite insecure - is that why you must declare victory for yourself?  I certainly realize being a right winger is a tough row to hoe - that pesky reality keeps creeping in. Just keep comforting yourself.  I'm sure you're quite good at that, as well...

Of course Rog would declare

Of course Rog would declare victory. Rog won.

How are things in your mom's garage these days?

Notice how suddenly I am a

Notice how suddenly I am a "Bush Boy", now that I have taken Frankie to the woodshed?

That actually makes Frankie's performance even more pathetic. Not only is Chimpy McHitler constantly outwitting the cream of the Democrat(ic) Congressional crop, but now, obviously mildly-retarded Chimpy followers are taking the cream of the Socialist blog troll crop to the woodshed, too. Man, what does that tell you of the class of troll poor Frankie is? Outwitted by a Bushbot? I see extra therapy sessions in Frankie's future.

 

 

 

I thought former presidents

I thought former presidents were called "Former President"?

 

Pres/Former

They are addressed as both.

JDW


DAILY WAVE

Most often they are called

Most often they are called President rather than former president.  especially when in a "personal" type conversation interview.  Also when they really like them.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

"Yes, "Gov." See, we only

"Yes, "Gov." See, we only have one President of the United States at one time. After they leave office, their titles revert to the highest title previously held. It started with George Washington - after retiring as President, he became Gen. Washington."

Once again j. frank proves that he does indeed live in his own world.

As others have already pointed out, Presidents keep their title after they leave office. Not sure where you got the idea they didn't.

dscott:

Yes, you did smear the most unfortunate x-Mrs. Adkisson.  And Greg McKendry, the usher who gave his life protecting others when Mr. Adkisson started shooting.

Nice work.

It must be a terrible responsibility to be the Umpire of Life.  Even if you're not particularly good at it.

I'm not offering opinion or interpretation - or speculation, as you contributed.  Just facts.  I cited the NYT source.  Here's another good one:  http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/jul/28/church-shooting-police-find-manifesto-suspects-car/.  Guess I thought most people who read NB can use the Web.

My point was clear.  Faux Noise and the rest of the right wing echo chamber won't man-up and admit their contribution to this very unfortunate event.  We've already seen Ann Falter's response.  Sheer Insannity yesterday (Monday) was already in full CYA mode - and that's a lot of ground to cover.

Finally - since you are such a student of human history.  What revolutions have been started by people with nothing?  Certainly not the American Revolution - those folks just wanted to be treated as every other British citizen.  They had something to fight for.  But, since the conservatives of the time were all Tories on the side of the King, you probably wouldn't have thought of it... 

Faux Noise and the rest of

Faux Noise and the rest of the right wing echo chamber won't man-up and admit their contribution to this very unfortunate event.

Yes, your point is very clear, your opinion shines right through based on your ideology and not the sum of the facts.

No, I didn't smear anyone other than you.  Again, your selective reading and editing skills are very accomplished Frank, you left out the part where I said "Speculate" based on the facts presented.  You presented no facts, just assertions and then only presented a link after being challenged on it.

I also find it interesting that the article you cite was mostly devoid of the facts stated in the FNC link.  Other than the name of Adkinsson and being unemployed, the article you cited stressed a number of other things.  So the conclusion I draw is this:  the MSM didn't bother to report all the facts, as I originally theorized in my first response, just the ones to mislead the reader enough to conclude the person was a Right Wing Nut who didn't have anything going on in his life other than reading books you don't agree with.  Thank you Frank for exposing the leftwing bias of the Knoxville News, now what was that about faux news??? 

But that's all beside the point isn't it Frank?  The point, your point is Conservatives are evil people inciting the unstable to do evil things and liberals are the victims in all this.  No Frank, the victims were all the lives destroyed that day including Adkinsson.  I find it interesting the self righteous like yourself have very little compassion when comes to the suffering of others.  I find it interesting your compassion is only reserved for those who you deem in your PC manner to be victims.  How conveniently you demonize the presumed villian to justify your world view.  You see Frank, I see them ALL as victims even Adkinsson. Does that surprise you?  Why?  Think about it, set asside your self righteousness.

Finally, your are mixing apples and oranges on movements of people versus individuals when it comes to revolutions, but you knew that because as a liberal you deny the individual in favor of the group.  Loss is felt individually.

 Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.  

Now, I'm not saying they started it, but....

 

(This is a response to j. frank wilson's question, "What revolutions have been started by people with nothing?")

Upon hearing about the taking of
the Bastille, peasants decided they, too, could press for social change
through drastic actions. In the summer of 1789 hundreds of thousands mobilized
to attack lords' manors and destroy the bitter symbols of seigneurialism:
weather vanes, protective walls, and especially property deeds setting
forth feudal dues that peasants were required to pay the lord. When news
of this rural unrest reached the newly renamed National Assembly in Paris,
its deputies, feeling pressured to stay ahead of events in the countryside,
responded by announcing the "abolition of feudalism." Their
decrees of 4 August represented the first step toward the destruction
of the theoretical basis of old regime's system of privileges.
Within
the year, the assembly would do away with the whole concept of nobility,
setting off a vigorous anti noble propaganda campaign in the press.
(emphasis mine)

from:  http://chnm.gmu.edu/...

Much more on the French revolution can be found here,

http://chnm.gmu.edu/...

Now, I guess it's open for debate how much a peasant had to lose in 1789 France, but I can't imagine it was all that much.

 

 

If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love youBut if you really make them think, they'll hate you.

Don Marquis 1878-1937

HillbillyKing:

This is a very interesting topic.  Since we started it all in 1776, revolutions around the world have been undertaken by people who have begun to see some daylight - just started to taste freedom and liberty - and then had it threatened.

It's a common misconception that folks with nothing to lose start revolutions.  The first problem with that is that those societies tend to be so heavily controlled that revolutions are smothered before they can begin.  For example, why didn't the surfs in old Russia revolt?  Certainly not for lack of reasons to do so.

From America to Haiti to France (our thanks to the French king for the ships that defeated the British navy at Yorktown and won the Revolution for America) and on to Latin America, China, Russia, and the rest - take a look at the record.  It is a fascinating study.

 

J. Frank, I agree...

that it is a very interesting topic and a fascinating study.

However, I must point out that there are some examples throughout recorded history of rebellions that were indeed started by those with nothing to lose. For example, one made famous in the mid 20th century by a damn good movie starring Kirk Douglas:

Spartacus

and before him there was 

Three Slave Revolts

Unfortunately, when those with nothing do try to rise up, they are poorly equipted to succeed.

Of course history shows us that, while we may be the "modern" role model for revolution, we were by no means the first country to fight for independence and freedom. Why, not even 500 years earlier the Scottish fought for their freedom.

While revolution may be defined as "a fundamental change in political organization; especially : the overthrow or renunciation of one government or ruler and the substitution of another by the governed" (Merriam-Webster online) that doesn't always bode well for those people in the countries that have one. 20th century Communism sure did make alot of people "free" in the eternal sense of the word.

On the other hand the 20th century did have Gandhi.

Those British sure do have a hard time keeping their colonies subjugated. :-)

Finally I found the NPS's information on the American Revolution very interesting.

 

 

 

 

If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love youBut if you really make them think, they'll hate you.

Don Marquis 1878-1937

Cute commentary

Bull O'Really?, Sheer Insannity and The Silly Savage

It's bad enough that you use "cute nicknames" to drive your point, I have read and reread all of Neal Boortz's books, as well as some from Ann Coulter. So what? Am I committing hate crimes? As it turns out, the political affiliations of mass murderers can range from the far left to the (gasp) far right. Please tell me how the words of a talk show host with a political agenda can somehow be interpreted to meant "go out to a liberal church and kill as many liberals as you can during a children's performance."

Or did George W. Bush take control of his brain with an enhanced domestic spying program that transmitted subliminal messages through his phone, with the sole purpose to secretly engage a conservative blue-collar man on a liberal killing spree, to finish what had been started at the New Orleans ghetto?

Or perhaps Dick Cheney hammered the words of war into his press conferences so fervently that the man believed that the Iraq War was in his own backyard, and thus he had to act.

What's your solution, then? Take all guns away from conservatives and give them to liberals?

All this discussion about Jim Adkisson...

and not one mention of this,

http://ap.google.com...

Church members praised Greg McKendry, 60, who died as he attempted
to block the gunfire. Church member Barbara Kemper told The Associated
Press that McKendry "stood in the front of the gunman and took the
blast to protect the rest of us."

"Greg McKendry was a very large
gentleman, one of those people you might describe as a refrigerator
with a head," said church member Schera Chadwick. "He looked like a
football player. He did obviously stand up and put himself in between
the shooter and the congregation."

What Mr. McKendry did would merit the Medal of Honor if he was in the military. 

Perhaps this country would be a better place if more time was devoted to discerning the motives of people like Mr. McKendry, than those of Mr. Adkisson.  

 

If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love youBut if you really make them think, they'll hate you.

Don Marquis 1878-1937

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You know it's funny frank,

You know it's funny frank, I dont' remember seeing you on here a few months back grieving when those supposed "right wing evangelicals" were killed in the church shootings out in Colorado?

In fact I remember several threads over at DU and Kos that were filled with sick liberal delight over their demise and how they deserved their fate because of their politics, although it was never stated what these folks politics were, it was just assumed.

White, Evangelical Christian = right wing neo-con nutjobs

Liberal, Unitarian, GLBT friendly = Boo Hoo Hoo, Oh the Humanity !

How come when its a conservative or a percieved conservative that suffers an untimely demise at the hands of a deranged lunatic, you guys cheer like its a win for your side, like were all in a shooting war?

Funny how liberals suffer from selective grief, aint' it? : )

The truth is politics or idealogy should not decide the worth of someones life. Liberal or conservative we are all children of God, our lives are all precious no matter what channel we watch, books we read, or how we vote. 

Now troll on, hypocrite.

 "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

                               " The Cake is a lie."   

You're absolutely right,

You're absolutely right, Frank in his self righteousness defines victims by the beliefs they hold not by the circumstances or actions.  This is why he sidestepped my observations, and then attempted take me off in a tangent mixing apples and oranges regarding revolutions (groups of people) versus individuals with nothing to loose being the most dangerous people.  Frank has to deny a basic human emotion called desperation, Frank would rather think the deaths in TN were a Right Wing Conspiracy to get liberals rather than what it was, a lonely desperate person not able to see the light at the end of the tunnel. Frank has to deny the emotional act of desperation since this emotion is strongly linked with victimization and we all know liberals believe they are victims, hence Frank has to dehumanize Adkisson in a way that makes it into a group conspiracy.

I normally don't waste my time with trolls, however, this one being so self righteous it was hard to resist the urge to deconstruct his  ideology.  As you can see Frank is very adept at leading people off in different tangents in order to defend his core belief - victimhood.  This is why he insists FNC, Ann Coulter and others ADMIT to their supposed instigation of Askisson to kill liberals, in his dysfunctional mind the individual is not responsible for their actions, the group is.  I could go into a dissertation on victimhood, but I will spare everyone my longwindedness.

 Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.  

dscott:

First you tell us Mr. Adkisson snapped because the mean old church broke up his marriage and he lost his job and he lost his food stamps.  Then you want to lecture me about victimhood

You claim people are responsible for their actions.  They you sympathize with the killer?

Which it is?

Like so many NB commentors you generalize about what liberals think.  Displaying a lack of understanding about the real world, but I understand that.  After all, this is NB.

Which it is?

Why Frank, are you getting upset?  Am I getting too close for comfort? Is your self righteousness feeling a little vulnerable? Frank, once again your selective reading and editing skills are so well displayed.  Did I or did I not say I saw them ALL as victims??????  Then I asked you Why, and you did not answer.  So Frank, here is your opportunity to answer that question, Why would I consider every life destroyed on that day a loss?  Including Adkisson? 

 Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.  

dscott:

You confirm that you don't have a consistent point of view.  You accurse me (and all liberals - more generalizations) of sponsoring "victimhood" - and then you tell me Mr. Adkisson is also a victim.

A victim of not being part of the Ownership Society?  He's hardly the first person in this economy to lose his job.  Thanks to Welfare Reform and those who push the concept that anyone receiving food stamps is a loser who ought to be working for a living, he was about to lose his food stamps.  You already slandered his ex-wife with your reckless speculations.

Is his life a loss?  Of course it is.  The difference between Mr. Adkisson and his victims is that he's a hate-filled loner who took out his frustrations on innocent people.  He made his choice - and now he's got to live with it.  The two people who were killed, the wounded, the roughly 200 people who will never forget that horrible Sunday - they didn't get that choice, did they?  I'll save my sympathy for them.

I just love your self

I just love your self righteous answer Frank along with more tangents of ownership society, blah, blah, blah.  Whether you are a Unitarian or Amish, there is a universal theme underlying these religious beliefs, a theme you clearly don't appreciate and is inimical to your liberalism. That theme is Redemption and Forgiveness.  If you will remember two years ago when those Amish kids were killed by the nutjob, what was their response?  Did they hate the killer, did they view him with indifference as you so callously do, did they concoct a conspiracy theory as you did?  What was their response?  Do you think the Unitarians in TN view Adkisson with callous indifference as you do?  What has been their response so far?  Tell us Frank, what is the difference between their response and yours?

 Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.  

j. frank, the Unabomber was a liberal.

His manifesto was a condemnation of the progress of technology. Much of the MSM sympathized with this Luddite.

According to your narrow logic, maybe Al Gore, the "inventor" of the internet (ROFLMAO!) should be held to account for the actions of Theodore Kaczynski.

I mean, if Al hadn't gone and invented the internet....

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

Wait, who in the MSM

Wait, who in the MSM sympathized with the Unabomber, and how? 

You took my question

so I'll ask - just exactly when did Al Gore claim to have invented the Internet?

There are so many urban myths promulgated on NB [see the Clinton/Gorelick Wall, above] it's often difficult to have a conversation.  We spend far too much listening to regurgitated pap.

CNN March 9, 1999 Quote

CNN March 9, 1999 Quote "During my service in the United States Congress, I took
the initiative in creating the Internet"

Create - transitive verb 4 a: to produce through imaginative skill  1: to make or bring into existence something new

Invent -  to produce (as something useful) for the first time through the use of the imagination or of ingenious thinking and experiment\

 

Sounds like he said it Frankie.

 

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

And on the seventh day

Gore rested.

  • LYDSEXICS UNTIE

I don't think he ever meant

I don't think he ever meant he actually invented the Internet.

True bal, do self serving

True bal, do self serving politicians like Gore ever mean anything they say?  Or like Obama, spout a bunch of platitudes that everyone reads into to satisfy their worldview to mean what they hope he said???

 Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.  

if you cannot say what you

if you cannot say what you mean

you cannot mean what you say

-Peter O'Toole, The Last Emporer 

Truth Monger:

Did President Bush take Harry S Truman's "The Buck Stops Here" plaque off the Oval Office desk and replace it with this one?

dunno - but i will ask him

dunno - but i will ask him this weekend - over 18 holes at pebble beach with the enron and haliburton guys:)!

balboa:

The reason Mr. Gore never meant to say that he actually invested the Internet is that he didn't - and he never claimed to have done so.  There is ample documentation that he played a key role in passing the legislation that permitted private use of a Government (military) system.

You're wasting your time trying to straighten out these falsehoods.  The NB Tribe has a complex set of urban (suburban and, I suspect, rural) myths.  I've thought about trying to compile a roster but the task is too daunting - just too darn many of them.

Vice Foster was murdered.  The housing price bubble is a MSM myth (how many blogs were posted on NB about that one?).  The economy is in fine shape.  Evolution is a crock.  There's no such thing as human generated climate change.  The surge worked. We're really winning in Iraq - we really, really are.  The earth is flat.  Ann Falter is a genius - along with ole BlunderRush and the rest of crew.  Everything wrong with the world today is Bill Clinton's fault.  And President Reagan brought down the fall of the Soviet Union.  All homosexuals are pedophiles.

I could keep going but the list rapidly becomes tedious - and cetainly pointless.  So just try to humor them, Balboa.  I'm sure in their little hearts of hearts and brains of brains they are doing the best they can with what God gave them to work with.

stop it frank

I understand that you disagree with us and I can respect you if you give the same back. But this kind of crap makes you look like a troll. I asked you once to stop with the random name calling but you insist on carrying on anyway.

I tried to engage you in mature debate and this is what I get back. I'm done with you.

Don't go away mad - but please go away.

 but please go away LOL,

 but please go away

LOL, now you've gone and done it, he will never go away.  There are few things a troll loves more than knowing than he/she has successfully irritated you.  ROFL  Like one kid poking another kid sitting next to him.  Crys of "Stop it, stop it", just eggs the kid on to do it more.

 Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.  

well scott

I give everyone here a chance until they irritate me. Frank has proven that he's not here for discussion but for getting attention. He will be treated as such.

You were extremely generous

You were extremely generous in giving him the chance by extending the courtesy by presuming that he would reciprocate "maturity".  You know what is said about what happens when casting pearls before...

 Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.  

candance

"But this kind of crap makes you look like a troll."

Makes him.... LOOK??...... like a troll? :p

I'll say this, you ARE the most patient and polite of all of us, when it comes to the more dingbat-side of the left like the Franks of the world.

Of course, like the undisciplined NB'er that I am, I have to dignify this blathering leftie with my two cents: 

 

"The housing price bubble is a MSM myth (how many blogs were posted on NB about that one?)."

Some here contend that it's blown out of proportion, I'll give you that, and it is debatable. So, Frank, maybe one for you... but a small "one".

"The economy is in fine shape."

Almost no one says the economy is in fine shape around here. Almost all of us rightly take the MSM to task for using the word "recession" insatiably for the past two years, when we have not been in one. They have constantly and purposely painted a dour/gloomy picture -- with either claiming we're in a recession, or ginning up some "forecast" of one.

Also, it's NO COINCIDENCE that all of this economic fear-mongering kicked in as Iraq was visibly improving. The MSM needed to have something going very bad under Bush's watch going into 2008. 

"Evolution is a crock."

We have our staunch religious AND non-religious members, and we actual have a lot of heated debates... ones I don't engage in, however.

"There's no such thing as human generated climate change."

Almost no one here has made the claim that there is "no such thing" as human-generated climate change. We are wisely questioning how much we are to be blamed for it, and also how sure we are that global warming is underway, and/or to what extent. There is no irrefutable scientific proof in any of this. Meanwhile, the Al Gore's of this world and people in government want to dictate what is done with our tax dollars based on lots of fuzzy science and forecasting, so we have every right to stand up and say "hold on".

"The surge worked."

The surge absolutely worked.

"We're really winning in Iraq - we really, really are."

We're totally winning in Iraq. What planet are you living on the past year and a half? Just curious.

"The earth is flat."

Never saw a post making this claim in any serious tone.

"Ann Falter is a genius - along with ole BlunderRush and the rest of crew."

Score keeping of the right's media/public figures vs. the left's is so, take your pick... childish? dumb? pointless? I'll throw three times as many right back at you, if you really want to play, and they're a whole lot more irrational and bile/hate-filled.

"Everything wrong with the world today is Bill Clinton's fault."

Lots of things are his fault. Bush came into office in 2000 with the world a complete mess. 

"And President Reagan brought down the fall of the Soviet Union."

You'll have to take this debate up with someone else. 

"All homosexuals are pedophiles."

Many here see homosexual behavior as a deviant behavior. I respect people who see it as this because they usually hold this belief respectfully and within themselves. Even I'm on the fence about homosexuality, and I'm agnostic. It's not a natural act, period. And who has said homosexuals are pedophiles?

 

The side that is truly full of blathering nonsense, full of myths, running around like chickens with their heads cut off, scaring us about everything from "Hitler Bush" is "shredding our constitution" with "all of it's torturing" and "stripping us of our rights" with "wiretapping", to "we must go green and stave off global warming", to "we're in a recession", to their "be tolerant of all things, just like we are" hypocrisy....

That side, Frank, is the one you're on. 

 

* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *
For REAL Change

MrShy:

You asked:  "And who has said homosexuals are pedophiles?"  Look north of your own comments on this page:  that's precisely what fotbolisgreat1 stated.  Based on his comments he never read about The Night of the Long Knives, but that's another story...

 

MrShy:

You asked:  "And who has said homosexuals are pedophiles?"  Look north of your own comments on this page:  that's precisely what fotbolisgreat1 stated.  Based on his comments he never read about The Night of the Long Knives, but that's another story...

 

j. frank

Oy, so ONE poster wrote that.... and then you go and add what futbol put in a post into your rambling laundry list of "right wing" stereotypes?

 

* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *
For REAL Change

MrShy:

I just pointed out the easiest example - hardly the only one.

And that brief roster was not a list of right-wing stereotypes - just NB urban myths.

bal, they found a copy of Al Gore's book in Kaczynski's house.

Didn't see that plastered all over the MSM, did you?

This is just another attempt by the left to silence talk radio, as they have utterly failed to counter it effectively in the free market. Not that that is a surprise or anything.

LOL-Libs, after all, have to have pictures.  :-^)

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

Well, R D...

Neither did we see or hear much about Ted Bundy's Young Republicans literature.

But, really, was there actually room for any books inside that hovel where Kacznynski lived (considering the space he occupied along with his stack of "I Am The Unabomber" t-shirts)?

Our law enforcement agencies didn't exactly cover themselves with glory cracking that case.

Jer

Jer,

Our law enforcement agencies didn't exactly cover themselves with glory cracking that case.

You are correct, as they were less than on the ball in that case. Of course, my faith in law enforcement of all stripes has eroded over the last 12 to 15 years.

The Richard Jewel case really caused me to question much of what is going on in the law enforcement community at the federal level, and my opinion of that once proud profession has deteriorated steadily ever since.

I was just pointing out that this whole "guilt by association" argument is a little off the wall.

Hell, I have books written by Heinz Guderian (Panzer Leader-an excellent read, BTW) and Erwin Rommel (can't recall the title just now), and several other German soldiers of that era. Does that make me a Nazi?

Hardly.

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

I understand ya RD

I had a copy of The Anarchist Cookbook for a long time and it never turned me into a crazy person.

candance...

it never turned me into a crazy person.

But it does explain those half-baked ideas of yours. :-)

Jer

ha ha ha Jer

I remember how to test my house for a listening device and I vaguely remember a recipe about making drugs with merigold seeds and ethanol.  

Hmm...I wonder why the

Hmm...I wonder why the memory or that particular recipe is sooo..."vague"?

Jer

Jer, hey, when you're an anarchist, you probably are moving...

...around rather frequently, and doing so on short notice at times, too.  :-O

LOL- Probably makes it difficult to cook everything thoroughly, KWIM?

:-)

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

R D...I would have pictured

R D...I would have pictured candance's kitchen spotless, and in perfect order, with every pot and pan standing at attention.

Jer

Jer, LOL.

Me, too, as mine looks like a random (and not too well organized) mass collection of kitchen gadgets.

I am such a total sucker for kitchen gadgets. :-)

-And I will not even mention the number of sets of grilling utinsels I have purchased over the years, and those are not inluding the ones my well-meaning relatives send me each year.  :-)

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

candance,

Fear not, my friend, as you are one of the saner people I know.

LOL-Sorry that among your first exposures to the word of music involved Madonna. 

For me, it was The Who.  :-)

PS-I was once a classically trained singer, too. I am talking world-class difficulty here.

I was schooled in this art by a man who often sang baritone with the ASO (Atlanta Symphony Orchestra) and who was a hard-ass of the first order.

I mean, I literally hated the guy for a long time for putting me through vocal hell (as I thought of it at the time), but I eventually realized the error of my ways and grew to truly appreciate and respect what he was trying to accomplish with me, and with the few others who were fortunate enough to have gained his attention.

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

liberals don't read books

They're only smart enought to watch tv, when I was a 10 yrs old I watched Rocky.

The next day I drank 8 raw eggs. I got sick as a dog. I'm dissapointed my dream of being bitten by a radioactive spider will never come to fruition.

Real life video games are cool

shawn,

Eight raw eggs? Dayem, that must have been one hell of an extended session worshiping at the porcelain god!  :-O

I would relate the story about the time I decided I was going to be the next Evel Knievel, as I was around the age of twelve, but it is just too embarrassing.

Ugly, that was!

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

Ouch, Shawn. That had to

Ouch, Shawn. That had to hurt! :P

 

 

True story

My friends and I all had copies of The Anarchist Cookbook in high school.  We were ALL quite proud of it and kept it out wide open in display. 

I'm not called "Unsane" for nothing.

:-) 

Whoever casts a vote for Barack Obama is nothing more than a common thief.  Whoever fails to vote against him is nothing more than a moral coward.

thanks for shedding a tear frank

It's nice to see that no one on the left would ever politicize a tragedy. ;-)

It does bother me, like Blazer mentions above, that you keep going on about how they were a progressive church who were sympathetic to gays, almost as if you're using that as a qualifier to show just how tragic their deaths really were.

That does make one wonder if those people had been gun-loving neocons would you still be so sorry for them?

As to your remarks about him Ann Coulter's books, crazy people abound of all political shapes and sizes. Saying Ann Coulter's books inspire that kind of hate is like saying we should ban medicine because someone had it in their house when they killed someone. You can't paint a broad stroke because of literally one isolated incident.

But since you're not into watching "Faux News" and you can't have a normal conversation without name calling against conservatives I doubt you're getting much out of this.

Ample Example

Read this gem for another example of j. frank wilson's bile and vitriol: 

"Half our nation is comprised of common thieves?  That doesn't make sense.  You do prove the point that half the people in the United States are of below average intelligence.  However, to say you've lost it would suggest you once had it. "

- j. frank wilson, 28 July 2008, 1104 EST

 

I would suggest j. frank wilson cannot carry on a normal conversation, period.  He is that hate-filled.  The irony is that he constantly projects his own shortcomings onto others. 

 

It is quite sad.  Why can't he be like other Leftists who at least try to have something of substance to add?

Whoever casts a vote for Barack Obama is nothing more than a common thief.  Whoever fails to vote against him is nothing more than a moral coward.

unsane:

So you've demonstrated you are just one more NB commentator who can dish it out but can't take it.

I've been called far worse insults here.  Go back and read 'em.

I've never been the first one to insult.  Never.  "Can't carry on a normal conversation?"  That's not what Candace said.  But then, she didn't start with insults so they never came up, did they?

Hate-filled?  Classic projection, Unsane...

I the anvil, j frank wilson the broken hammer

Again, you project your shortcomings onto others.  Many a time I see you insulting everyone on earth who doesn't share your Socialist views, because you instinctively think much less of those who don't want the government to impose a strict regimentation of all aspects of daily life as badly as you do.  And you do so often with little or no provocation.  Note how you walked into the NB Saloon with the six shooters drawn, loaded, and opened fire with your very first incendiary post - one which YOU KNEW was incendiary. 

And then you whine and pout like a five year old about how poor, defenseless, little innocent sweetheart j. frank wilson is getting picked on with insults from us BIG MEANIES.  The Left specializes in pious whining, as you demonstrate. 

Read my profile.  I have been here for close to 2 and a half years and you don't see me running away from the battlefield of ideas due to the childish and immature (both adjectives fit you to a T).  I have served notice to countless sparring partners of all stripes that I am not going away as long as NB will have me.  And if you think you are somehow going to chase me from the board, as many Leftists, Socialists, protectionists, Conspiros, and Libertarians have, then I will suggest that this anvil continues to laugh at so many broken hammers, to include yours (h/t to Sandburg). 

I practice a philosophy of reciprocity.   

It would be nice to see you actually criticize the posters and other individuals based on ideas, but being that you are an intellectually bankrupt Socialist, that is probably a bit much to hope for. 

Whoever casts a vote for Barack Obama is nothing more than a common thief.  Whoever fails to vote against him is nothing more than a moral coward.

 "because you

 "because you instinctively think much less of those who don't want the government to impose a strict regimentation of all aspects of daily life as badly as you do."

 

Well Unsane, he does live in "moms basement" and she takes care of him, so the next step is logical. I mean, after all mom aint' gonna put a roof over his head, make him tuna helper, clean up after him and wash his skiddy drawers when she's gone. That will be left to Uncle Sam.

 

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

                               " The Cake is a lie."   

Candace:

The Knoxville Church killings were a lynching.  Those people were shot because of where they went that Sunday morning.  The Police Chief said it himself.  Those who knew Mr. Adkisson said the same thing - he hated gay folks and one day he decided to go out and kill a few.  Or at least a few who supported them.

I said it in my very first comment - not discussing the motives for these killings is like writing about the KKK and not mentioning they hated Black folks.

It's not that these were liberals who were shot and killed.  The point is they were shot and killed because Mr. Adkisson perceived them as such.  A huge difference.

Given yesterday's newspaper article about the substantial rise in home deaths due to taking the wrong medication, you may have a point.  However, for now - can you name 3 positive things Ann Falter has ever said about anyone or anything?  What is her purpose?  Other than vote fraud, of course.

As for a normal conversation - when have I ever called you a name?  Or do you think that The Silly Savage, Insannity, O'Really?, and Falter can spend their time dishing out insults, venom, hate, bile, and the rest - and not take it themselves?  Are they really that weak (actually, they probably are - but that's another story).

okay frank

I appreciate the level response.

As to the political nature of the shooting spree, I really think it's apples and oranges with the KKK. It's one thing to analyze a social movement with thousands of members. It's quite another to point out one crazy man and somehow try to blame his actions on a book he read.

Several conservies here have pointed out that we didn't jump on the political views of the Unabomber, the Virginia Tech shooter, Timothy McVeigh, or a host of other madmen. They were simply lunatics who happened to believe a certain thing about politics.

None of the lefties in America wanted to discuss the views of the Columbine boys or any of the other church shootings involving someone who hated Christians. So it's disingenuous to wait for a villain who happens to be conservie.

As for Ann Coulter saying positive things, she always gives Dem credit when they deserve it. In fact in her own neighborhood she once supported the Dem candidate over the Republican because she didn't want to see that particular Republican win. But you never see that stuff on MSNBC.

You've never called me a name but it does annoy me when you constantly talk about Faux News and Sheer Insanity. It's not about "those people are worse" or "they do it too." By using those names you reveal your personal slant right out the gate, which tempers the credibility of the rest of your post.

If you want us to view you with respect and openness it behooves you make your case in the most mature language possible. Now when you're joking around those nicknames are fine. But not when you're trying to seriously debate someone who likes Ann Coulter.

PS - Do make an effort to spell my name correctly. It's the quickest way for me to warm up to you. :-)

candance:

My apologies for not spelling your name correctly.  That tiny red type is hard on these old eyes.  Speaking of spelling - it's "Insannity" with two "n's."

There are plenty of comments on this blog alone claiming the Unabomber was a liberal.

If you really do like Ann Falter than I can only offer you my sympathy.  I have never heard her say anything rational - she's an extraordinarily negative, mean, cruel, negative person who has no interest in anything other than herself.  Her books are a joke, packed with pages of worthless footnotes.  And she is a hypocrite to post on her website links to the Bob Wexler issue when her own record regarding residence and vote fraud (and tax fraud, for that matter - how can she vote in another state yet claim a Florida property tax homestead exemption?) is so poor.

I am sorry to see you fall into the NB generalization canyon.  "None of the lefties?"  That's just silly, Candance.  And Timothy McVeigh's political leanings were decidedly to the right.

not exactly my point

There are plenty of comments on this blog alone claiming the Unabomber was a liberal.

Yes, and this was brought up only after you opened this can of worms. Back when Ted was caught you didn't see conservies go around saying "hm this guy was such and such and had so and so's book in his library. Let's blame them for Ted's actions."

Ted was mentioned here to illustrate that very point.

I have never heard her say anything rational

Well since I've read nearly all of her books and always hit her weekly column I prolly know her just a little bit better than you. No doubt you've heard Keith Olbermann say something thoughtful that I didn't hear.

Lefties absolutey did not want to talk about the extreme views of the Columbine boys. That's not a generalization. Go back to the news reports, the talk shows, the coverage on CNN. Police found that the boys had become hardline atheists and neo-darwinists. Yet the media was strangely not interested.

That's the difference we're talking about here. The Columbine boys were victims who'd been picked on too much. The TN church shooter was a bigot who hated gays.

Instead of keeping score on which madman believed what philosophy, why can't we just accept that they were madmen?

 

Talking about a can of

Talking about a can of worms Frank opened with his initial post I would like to point out while I was enjoying deconstructing Frank's self righteousness I chose not to address the real issue underlying Frank's fingerpointing.  Do you all remember Obama's gaffe that small-town voters are often "bitter" and they "cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them," ?  What Frank was really doing was attempting to validate Obama's condescention of others by using the tragedy in TN as a distraction to focus instead on Conservatives.  Obama was nailed for his intolerance and condescending attitude.  So Frank, your raising the issue shows how the self righteousness of liberals is displayed in condeming others by politicizing a tragedy.  Frank what you did was a disgusting act of self promoting using the suffering of others.

 Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.  

The hate-filled j. frank wilson

You know, to me this is a story that is in support of concealed weapons legislation.  Notice that this took place in TN, not TX.

Nice job, frank, of showing that you are FILLED WITH HATE.

Hate for two things:

1) The United States of America, for not being a whiny, self-loathing, coddling, pampering, babying Nanny State

2) People who aren't as Socialist as you are.  

Whoever casts a vote for Barack Obama is nothing more than a common thief.  Whoever fails to vote against him is nothing more than a moral coward.

Time to Stir It Up a bit

Two liberal, and very European Obamaesque, ideals have collided in Oregon. They have a Medicaid program that is a forerunner of what we can expect with a universal health care program. With it comes the problem of paying for coverage. The easiest way to cut expenditures is to simply reduce the amount paid to providers, until they run out of providers, of course. Another popular device is to reduce coverage, which Oregon has done in the case of (so far) cancer survivors. Oregon will not pay for cancer fighting drugs if the patient has a probable survival rate of less than 5% within the next five years. Well, it sounds callous, but there is some point to meet; though an entirely statistical point can be rather Big Brother-like.

The collision has come with Oregon's assisted suicide law, and Medicaid's approval of payment for that, uh, procedure. A man named Randy Stroup received a letter saying he had that option. That is, no cancer treatment but palliative care  including assisted suicide. He and his wife feel they are rather pushing him toward an early demise. As Johnny Cash once said about a Cadillac he was building with stolen parts, "Its cheaper that way."

I can really feel for Mr. Stroup because I am a cancer survivor, trust me I can pray for both of us. However the larger question is where will this end? European countries are starting to reap the results of this dilemma. I would rather not join Obama as a citizen of the world if the Dutch model of free drugs, socialism, and government assisted death is used here.

Thanks to Foxnews

Stretch Pelosi was on the Daily Show yesterday

...I was channel surfing and watched exactly five seconds of her interview with Stewart.I muttered "hey, it's Dumb and Dumber" and turned to watch something else, 'cause I figured Jon was just going to pander to her from the left like the useful idiot that he is. "uhhh....uhhhh....how come you didn't ummmm stop the Iraq war? (insert wild applause from sheep studio audience)

Dear Series 7

When speculators drive down the price of energy and food, who wins / loses?

JDW

Enough!

The man was a nut job -- enough said!

As a friendly reminder, Lee Harvey Oswald was a raving Marxist and he killed JFK.

 

Ted Stevens

Is finally getting indicted today. Yay! :)
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

And just to annoy everyone,

And just to annoy everyone, "Republican" is the first word used in their article about it.

Good ol' Teddy...how's the bridge coming?

Glad you and sarc are so

Glad you and sarc are so happy about this today...

I'm going to be posting my opinion about all of this in a few minutes after I wait for a business call on another thread..

Btw...if he is guilty...fine. Do the time.

here is a man who has been double-crossed more times than I want to count or will seek threads for, I just listened to his floor speeches over years on getting oil down here to the lower 48...before Statehood...Carter was a real winner in double cross...up to Cantwell/McCain.

Someone from the wonderful Senate ethics committee looked into this and reported this to the Justice Dept...let's see...where do you both think we could go from here...eh?

I'm stopping here because I will be repeating myself in a few minutes.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

I'm not happy with the media bias

Hell, when Bal's pointing media bias out, you KNOW they're hurtin' in media-land reading this, but I'm absolutely happy a crook may someday get out of office, finally, because crooks tend to be fiscally irresponsible. Like Stevens. You should be happy too, this is good for the Republican party, especially if Stevens has the brains & patriotism to resign ASAP and let Palin pick someone fiscally conservative.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Thomas Sowell's column

I read Dr. Sowell's column weekly. This is one of the better ones I've read in a while. 

Be kind to your kids. They'll be choosing your nursing home.

ecoloons and extremists

Just an hour earlier than this posting NB posted the following: Timesonline Overreacts: If Islam is Extreme Let's ban ALL Religion

At first this sounds outrageous – and disappointing coming from the Times – but when you ask us to meditate on Nancy Pelosi and the ecoloons she leads, I must admit something really does need to be done about some extremists.

Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.

Future Cheeseburger Riot in Lala Land

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/fast_food_ban

The food nannies are at it again.  They're looking to ban fast food restaurants in "poor" areas in Los Angeles.  Isn't that cute?

If they succeed in passing this thing, the cheeseburger riots will make the Rodney King riot look like church picnic.

Killgrave....as soon as we stop shaking....that scared the....

hell out of me.  I was upstairs when it hit....felt like a bomb went off......5.4...my a$$ 

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

No doubt there will be many of us who will be...

No doubt there will be many of us who will be old and in the way. We will be damned good at it too. Jerry Garcia didn't get to have all of the fun! Nancy Peloci is a nothing political hack who would not have any say in all of this had our nothing political hack Republicans done anything at all when they came to power. It is sickening to think how many times the Republicans snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Time after time the Republicans could have defeated the Democrats, but they were too busy running for office so that they could run for office. The Democrats, of course, are no better. They all belong to an elite governing class who have lost it. Why do you think Islam is on the rise again? For 1400 years they have been an opportunistic religeon making good use of weakness. Do they ever have an opportunity now!

Change is coming.

Perhaps somebody, somewhere

Perhaps somebody, somewhere can keep an eye on this for me while I am at work tomorrow? I know the media won't do it.

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

Another bid for a Nobel Prize?

It would appear that I'm-trying-to-save-the-planet Pelosi is gunning for a Nobel Prize.

Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.