Open Thread


For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: When will Democrats heed America's call for more American energy?

Poll after poll shows strong support for more energy production here in the United States in order to help lower gas prices. We have vast resources that can be explored in an environmentally-safe way in Alaska, the Rockies, and far off our coasts. And the American people overwhelmingly favor doing just that. Even self-described liberals, according to a Pew Research Center poll released earlier this week, are now moving in the direction of more American energy. But the Democrats in charge of Congress are turning a deaf ear to these calls. While even a growing number of liberals now recognize the need for unlocking America’s natural energy resources, Democratic leaders are proving themselves to be to the Left of the Left. Indeed, Speaker Pelosi and her allies have been worshipping at the altar of radical environmentalism since well before I [Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Oh.)] got to Congress back in 1991. Since then, the Speaker and I have had the opportunity to cast 46 votes to increase the production of American energy. I was proud to cast the “pro-energy” vote all 46 times. The Speaker, in contrast, did so all of two times.

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Energy

The Democrats will never address the issue.  The likes of Harry Reid and Nanny Pelosi can't even deal with the easy issues like what to do with terrorists.  The Democrats have no plans, they are useless.  All they do is block progress.

I think the question is when are the Republicans going to grow a backbone and deal with the issue?  Cut through all the garbage and drill in Alaska already.  We need a strong leader who will just do it without worrying if they are hurting anyone's feelings. 

Matter of fact, we need a strong leader on many other issues as well.  Where have all the strong leaders gone?

I agree, Gothampc.  The

I agree, Gothampc.  The Wimps aka the Republicans (with the possible exception of Bob Dole, retired Republican) need to put this at the top of their agenda and pummel the dimocrats on it. 

While the president exhorting us to call, write, and/or e-mail our representatives is great, he should lift the executive order banning off shore drilling.  This would put additional pressure on congress to act.

This is an issue that has legs.  It should be exploited.  And in doing so, we will all benefit.   Heck, it might even get Senator McCain elected.  Yipes!

executive order

While the president exhorting us to call, write, and/or e-mail our
representatives is great, he should lift the executive order banning
off shore drilling.  This would put additional pressure on congress to
act.

Unfortunately, the President is unable to reverse an executive order from a previous president.  Only congress can do that, and even then only with a super-majority (2/3 vote).

 


 

"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary." Ernesto "Che" Guevara


Archer from what I

Archer from what I understand you are dead wrong (wanted to say something stronger).  An executive order is valid only during the time that President is in office.  At the time a President is in office he can cancel any or all previous executive orders.  So unless you can link....

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Sorry, I'm mostly right.

Don't hold back.  Say how you really feel.  After dealing with Drill Sgt's, I'm not easily offended.  

Here are the links you asked for:

Wikipedia:

To date, U.S. courts have overturned only two executive orders: the
aforementioned Truman order, and a 1996 order issued by President
Clinton that attempted to prevent the US government from contracting
with organizations that had strike-breakers on the payroll. [1]
Congress may overturn an executive order by passing legislation in
conflict with it or by refusing to approve funding to enforce it. In
the former, the president retains the power to veto
such a decision; however, the Congress may override a veto with a
two-thirds majority to end an executive order. It has been argued that
a Congressional override of an executive order is a nearly impossible
event due to the supermajority vote required and the fact that such a vote leaves individual lawmakers very vulnerable to political criticism.

ThisNation.com


Executive Orders do not require Congressional approval to take effect
but they have the same legal weight as laws passed by Congress. The
President's source of authority to issue Executive Orders can be found
in the Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution which grants to the
President the "executive Power." Section 3 of Article II further
directs the President to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully
executed." To implement or execute the laws of the land, Presidents
give direction and guidance to Executive Branch agencies and
departments, often in the form of Executive Orders. 

...

If Congress does not like what the executive branch is doing, it has
two main options. First, it may rewrite or amend a previous law, or
spell it out in greater detail how the Executive Branch must act. Of
course, the President has the right to veto the bill if he disagrees
with it, so, in practice, a 2/3 majority if often required to override
an Executive Order.

So, I was wrong about needing a supermajority to override an executive order.  They need a supermajority to override the almost certain veto.

But as to your assumption that EO's expire when a president leaves office, let me offer the following:

The drilling moratorium was a Congressional act in 1982 and has been
renewed every year after that. Since 1990, it has been supplemented by
the first President Bush's executive order that the Interior Department
not conduct offshore leasing until 2000. President Bill Clinton
extended that until 2012. Now here we are.

If they expired after a presidential term, how could GHW Bush issue one that lasted until 2000?  GHW Bush was elected in 1988, meaning that is last possible complete year in office would in 1996.   The same could be said for Clinton who was elected in 1992, and extended the moritoriam until 2012.

 

"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary." Ernesto "Che" Guevara


You were wrong because a

You were wrong because a President can rescind and order he wishes at anytime by issuing an order doing so or by simply not recognizing that order.  The congress can by voting with a 2/3 majority make any order null and void.  All this is convention and not written in stone or the constitution.

So the President can by simple order say a previous order is null and void.  You need to get better sources.

All I have to say is "President Bill Clinton extended that until 2012." is this.  Presidents are requied to submit a 10 year budget plan, so does taht mean teh incoming administrations are held to taht budget ... no. In teh same way EO's are not valid unless teh incoming President agrees they are.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

McCain

"Heck, it might even get Senator McCain elected."

Not if someone doesn't wake him up from his nap and tell him he's running for POTUS.  I can understand not wanting to make personal attacks, but Obama just came out with a whopper of a tv commercial lie saying he sponsored a bill for welfare reform.  If McCain lets that whopper slip by then McCain should decline the nomination and let the GOP nominate someone who is interested in beating Obama. 

Gotham, you are so right about McCain

This guy is just mailing it in.  Of course, he is a democrat so he is probably secretly wishing Obama to win.  By his lack of performance so far, this is not too far fetched.

McPain is in Colombia.  As sniveling Dick Morris said last night....they don't have any electoral votes.

Jeff Lebowski

www.angrywhitedude.c...

And You're Surprised?

Democrats have always bowed to the throne of special interest groups, so why are we surprised they don't want to go against environmental interests? Democrats mindset, "Screw the American public when it comes to what they want, special interest groups and lobbies take priority."

GOP Needs to Get Down & Dirty

" Democrats have always bowed to the throne of special interest groups" 

But then they blame problems on the Republicans and the Republicans just sit there and don't say anything.  Case in point:  the levees in New Orleans.  Democrats in that city knew the levees needed major repair.  And when the levees failed, GWB comes out looking the worst in the matter.  It's time for the Republicans to take off their white gloves and knock some heads together.

The picture of three card

The picture of three card monte comes to mind when I think of Democrats ... in fact most politicians addressing the idea of energy policy.  So where is the card that says drill?

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

In my experience, most libs cannot grasp the magnitude

Most libs that I know and interact with do not understand the scale of the energy problem and therefore keep thinking that small scale solutions like solar and wind will work for the whole country. It's nonsensical. The average house cannot even generate 100% of its electricity needs using solar, yet factories and businesses are supposed to be able to?

 

The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.

Sorry for the length - I could not stop

Senator Barack Obama recently gave a speech about patriotism. It wasn’t a treatise. It was a political speech to defend himself against all criticism (real or imagined) of his patriotism. I read the speech several times. The senator defends his patriotism on the grounds that he loves his country. I don’t deny that. It’s not that I trust his character, because I only know what I see on TV, and I’ve learned not to trust anyone based on TV. Candidates pay consultants a lot of money to fake a warm and trusting image, so only a fool would trust the TV. However, I’d prefer to give the senator, and for that matter all fellow citizens, the benefit of that doubt. The senator assures us that he loves his country, and I’ll happily take his word for it.

But the more I read his speech, the more it became clear to me. See if it becomes clear to you. In his own words

“And surely we can arrive at a definition of patriotism that, however rough and imperfect, captures the best of America's common spirit. What would such a definition look like? For me, as for most Americans, patriotism starts as a gut instinct, a loyalty and love for country rooted in my earliest memories.” 

Then later …

“Instead, it is also loyalty to America's ideals - ideals for which anyone can sacrifice, or defend, or give their last full measure of devotion.” 

For the senator, patriotism is a devotion to our highest ideals. It’s emotional. And the ideals are the highest of human aspirations, so virtuous and noble that any person of any nationality, anywhere, can aspire to them. These ideals transcend national borders or any drawn lines of a map. For the senator, patriotism is the devotion to the noblest of ideals. 

Under his definition, dissent becomes a sacrament. Listen to his words:

“But when our laws, our leaders or our government are out of alignment with our ideals, then the dissent of ordinary Americans may prove to be one of the truest expression of patriotism.” 

All of this is stirring rhetoric. What it isn’t, is patriotism. 

Let me explain. I once struggled with the notion of patriotism. I asked a lot of questions. Why should we love this country when it was a mere accident that we were born here? Why should we love this country when we have, so often, crashed in weakness? Sure we’ve done great things, but only a fool would deny our sins, slavery chief among them, with the dispossession of the Native American a close second. Are we really any better than any other country from history? And if we’re not, why try to manufacture any deep feeling for our country? For a while, I could only love the ideal of America. I could only love America at its best. But soon enough, I began to feel like a fair weather friend. How could it truly be called love of country when it was a love of only of the ideal? Do I only love this country when we are perfect and immaculate in our morality?

Let me suggest an alternative. About patriotism, consider the words, “We the people, in order to form a more perfect union …” The most important word isn’t union, or perfect. It’s We. 

This country, for better or worse, is ours. These United States are ours. We are responsible for this country. Let China belong to the Chinese, and France to the French. That’s why a Frenchman can love his country and an American can love his, and yet neither is “wrong.” They have their country, and we have ours. Like a family, we don’t love our brothers and sisters only when they’re cool and popular. We love them no matter what, because this is our family. By the same logic, this is our country. We love it because it’s ours, and we’re responsible for it, not only when it’s cool or popular.

Patriotism isn’t an option. It’s a responsibility. It’s a challenge. We don’t address problems so that we can love our country again, as if we postpone our love until we’re perfect again. We address problems because we love it throughout, and despite, even our worst sins.

This country was born in the conviction that all political authority flows from the consent of the governed. But once we consent, we became responsible for it. We chose it, we voted for it, and we own it. The moment we gave our consent, we took its history and its future as our own. We consented to all of it. You can’t be a cafeteria American. From the moment we consented, we became as responsible for Lexington as for Abu Ghraib. When we gave our consent, it was for both Selma and Little Rock. It was for both Vietnam and Normandy. We became as responsible for Alexander Hamilton as for Aaron Burr, for Coolidge as for Roosevelt, for Carter as for Reagan, and for Clinton as for Bush.

And if you're not one of us, and you disown us when we fail, then you're not one of us when we triumph. If you won't take responsibility for My Lai, then don't take credit for the Sea of Tranquility.

Patriotism isn’t an emotion. It isn’t about how you’re feeling, because that could change tomorrow. One scandal can turn a lover into a hater. But that’s not patriotism. Patriotism is a commitment. I don’t give a crap whether you love us. What matters is whether you’re one of us. 

I’m sure that Senator Obama loves this country. The question is whether he understands it.

Amen.

Amen.

dissent

"...dissent of ordinary Americans may prove to be one of the truest expression of patriotism.”

Sorry, but this idea is pure BS. It says that beating your wife is the truest expression of love.   It means that the Confederates were the truest of American patriots.  It concludes that the only way to become the greatest of patriots is to commit treason.

 

 


 

"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary." Ernesto "Che" Guevara


There's a difference

There's a difference between dissent and undermining, sedition, and treason.

Dissent is publicly disagreeing with a policy; undermining is publishing state secrets in war time and providing aid, comfort, and propaganda for the enemy.

Syntax and definitions

Revolution starts with dissent and is result of too much dissent.

Patriotic is "inspired by love for your country".

Dissent is publicly disagreeing with a policy (your definition).

To say that dissent is patriotic is saying:

Publicly disagreeing with a policy is inspired by love for your country.

While I agree that it is possible to disagree an still have love for something, I certainly would not say that dissent is "inspired by love for your country".  In other words, loving something does not motivate me to disagree with it.

To dissent is not patriotic.  To support the RIGHT of others to dissent is patriotic.


 

"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary." Ernesto "Che" Guevara


I love my wife, but I often

I love my wife, but I often disagree with her. After I explain my thoughts, she often changes her mind.

True, but

But the love for your wife does not inspire your disagreements.

However, I will admit that if the dissent is intended to improve the country, then it may be patriotic.  And, most that dissent believe that if they had their way, the country would improve.  But to dissent with the intention changing the US into something it is not, like wanting the US to be more like Cuba for example, shows more patriotism toward Cuba than the US. You can't claim to love something if you are attempting to change into something else.  An example would be arguing... er... dissenting with wife because you want her to be more like your hot neighbor.  You're not "dissenting" because you love your wife.  You are dissenting because you are wishing that she were your neighbor.


 

"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary." Ernesto "Che" Guevara


If a man says something out

If a man says something out in the woods and no woman is present to hear him, is he still wrong?

...or vice

...or vice versa...

What's the answer? 

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh 

Dissent

 In the original constitution, states had the option of secedeing if they so chose. Ole honest Abe had to violate the constitution to stop secession by military force. So don't use treason and the Confederacy in the same sentance. The "War Between the States" could happen again.

(GRINS)  kilrod

Remember, only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier

Excellent post, thank you for your thoughts.

NO OBAMUNISTS PLEASE!

KC

SOBama's understanding of this country is neither here nor there.

HE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT THIS COUNTRY.

He is a marxist in search of a powerful perch. ie: The Presidency od the United States.

I liked the length of your comments because you said something worth reading.

 

thanks

An Unscientific Poll

I was having dinner the other night with several liberals who work for the Commonwealth of PA. Since I lean heavily toward the Right and they are my customers, I generally avoid conversations that have anything to do with politics. However, on this night, I decided to ask the question, "How do you feel about utilizing nuclear power and drilling for our own oil offshore and in ANWR?" I asked all five in turn. 5 out of 5 were for building new nuke plants and 4 of 5 were OK with both offshore and ANWR drilling. (This was in Harrisburg - less than 10 miles from TMI.) The dissenter was actually waffling on the issue as he was "unsure." The poll is hardly scientific, but I have been dealing with these people for many years now and heard them talk about a lot of political and social issues. This is the first one that I have agreed with them on.

It looks like this issue is turning and Congress will need to listen. I doubt the folks I sat down with will vote against a Dem - ever - but ti could be painful for the party if they don't start listening.

TMI memories

Hey Hermano!

Camp Hill grad here. I was in 4th grade when TMI hit. Man, that was a wild time. Throughout the day parents were coming into the school taking kids out of class. We thought it was funny when, after lunch recess before the teacher returned, we all laid down on the ground and played dead. The teacher didn't think it was funny; I still think it was genius.

By nightfall was were at Grandma's house up in Bloomsburg, just in case.

In 5th grade, I did a research paper for science class on nuclear reactors. Up until then my only impression was nuclear power - bad and deadly. After that paper, I realized it was not the case, and when managed properly its clean, cheap and efficient. In fifth grade, I figured that out.

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

I agree - Genius, indeed!

I agree - Genius, indeed! It amazes me how afraid we as a society are of nuclear energy simply because a few operators at a nuke plant missunderstood what a computer was telling them and did the wrong things. the technology was safe 30 years ago and is, but some estimations, 100 times safer today. I can't believe we are afraid of something the French are so good at.

I do think we should bury the waste in Sen Reid's yard, though. Not Nevada - his actual yard :)

on submarine when TMI

I was at sea operating the electrical system of our nuclear powered submarine when TMI happened. Got the 'wire' report of it and we all thought, no big deal. Jimmah Cautor destroyed the nuclear industry with HIS reaction to it. The FEDS had a chance to show that, even though the worst case scenerio happened, the safety systems worked and prevented release of anything damaging to the environment. But no......they (led by our worst president ever) chose to instill fear in the nasty nuclear beast.

A few years later, when I was out of the Navy and working at the North Anna nuclear station in Virginia, I sadly watched workers cut up the containment structure for Units 3 & 4 that had been canceled (as an indirect result of TMI's fear). They shipped the cut up steel containment building pieces to Korea where they were continuing to build new plants.....

"I can't believe we are

"I can't believe we are afraid of something the French are so good at. "

Surrender?

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

Never! Did we surrender when

Never! Did we surrender when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

But... Let him go... he's

But...

Let him go... he's on a roll.

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

   Germans???   A

 

 Germans???

 

A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
 -Gerald Ford

Should we let RD in on the

Should we let RD in on the secret?

Hermano, secrets? LOL- we don't need no stinking secrets!

Okay, so, what's up? :-)

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

The other RD (311). John

The other RD (311). John Belushi in Animal House. I like the Blazing Saddles reference, though.

60 Years of Accident Free Service to the Navy

We've been running reactors since the 50's.  Just think of the experience base that is out there in the civilian world waiting for a job

 

Postatem obscuri lateris nescitis

The GOP needs to keep hammering this

Polls have shown this is the #1 issue for voters now. So keep harping on it 24/7. Talk about their comprehensive energy plan which includes domestic drilling, coal, nuclear, wind and solar, and researching alternative sources. And highlight the now infamous YouTube clip of Harry Reid saying coal and oil are killing us. Keep playing clips of Nancy Pelosi from 2006 promising that Democrats have a plan to lower gas prices(back when they were less than 3 bucks a gallon). Emphasize that Obama likes high gas prices, doesn't support drilling or nuclear power, and has no realistic energy plan. I have no doubt that the GOP can retake Congress and the White House by 2012 since the Obama/Pelosi/Reid energy policies will result in gas prices so high they'll make us long for the days of 4 bucks a gallon. But do we really want to suffer a 4 year-long recession when we know what can be done right now to deal with this crisis?

The Left will heed the call for more energy only...

...when they see it as a way to achieve power for themselves and the tyrannical government they seek to control.  They have said it.  They want to "take over" the oil companies - as soon as they do, they will use it to further empower themselves.

Anything that empowers the individual and the entrepreneur is rejected.

If You Want A Good Laugh...

Just read today's lead editorial from the New York Times...

 http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/03/opinion/03thu1.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin

Best line...

"Some of the most important decisions came on 5-to-4 votes — a stark reminder that the court is just one justice away from solidifying a far-right majority that would do great damage to the Constitution and the rights of ordinary Americans".

Yup, the court did great damage to the Constitution by upholding the Second Ammendment.  You can't make this stuff up.

 

If one replaces "far right"

If one replaces "far right" with "far left" the sentence becomes true.

“The Democrat Effect”

It’s “The Democrat Effect” - the rational
response by firms to prepare for the inevitable insult to the economy
from unsurmountable regulation, litigation, and taxation to come -
which started election night of ‘06; coupled with the economic
terrorism of the Left vis-a-vis 3 decades of homicidal energy
deprivation, which has coincidentally become critical now.

Oh, and BTW, these policies are absolutely purposeful, hence the term “economic
terrorism.” The ultraleftsists (a.k.a. mainstream Democrats) need
social and institutional collapse in order to attain power so that they
can “rebuild” the U.S. in the image of the Left’s great ideological
success stories - USSR, Nazi Germany, fascist Italy, Cuba, and
Subsaharan Africa. I can’t wait!

There are other reasons, of course [i.e. easy
money policies, weak dollar, subprime lending to deadbeats, federal
spending outstripping record revenues from a tiny tax rate cut (about
to end), high individual/corporate taxes in general], but those are the
2 major new variables that are pushing us over the edge.

 

"A man who won't believe in God will believe in anything."

G.K. Chesterton

Not too soon I hope.

I hope the clueless Democraps go to their convention with their NO DRILL, NO EXPLORE, NO OIL SHALE, COAL IS EVIL, NO NUKE POWER and GLOBAL WARMING agenda.  Add in their TAX BIG OIL WINDFALL PROFITS, TAX BIG PHARMA and TAX THE RICH Marxist party platform and you have to ask yourself what country are you living in?

Don't forget there plans to:

  •  Nationalize (Socialize) Healthcare.
  •  Surrender America with their Euro-style CUT & RUN foreign policy.
  •  Eliminate Conservative Free Speech with the reimplementation of the FAIRNESS DOCTRINE. 

NO OBAMUNISTS PLEASE!

Neither party cares who gets hurt

Democrats won't do anything because they want to hurt those of us in red-state or flyover country, who travel 20+ miles to and from work, thinking that we'll blame Republicans and make us vote Democrat.

Republicans (not just RINOs) won't do anything because they want to hurt the people in the big cities that compose blue states, where prices are always higher anyway, thinking that they'll blame Democrats and make 'em vote Republican.

It's like a double-dose of the Wayne LaPierre-stated "he don't care" strategy (Clinton will accept loss of life to pursue his no-gun agenda).  Congress is willing to inflict pain on EVERYONE to try and gain votes.

No, it doesn't make any sense, except to those 535 idiots on Capitol Hill.  And it won't work.  All it will do is keep people home on Election Day.  My polling place used to be 300 yards away; it is now 6 miles.

Hey, Mr. McCain, real Republicans know they must fight the other side to win!  Stay out of our way!

I believe this is the plan

I believe this is the plan of Reid, Pelosi and the extreme environmentalists…….. We are doing exactly what they want… Looking at other alternatives, but it will be on their terms, not the “we” the people terms…… Sample of their terms; mass transportation (that isn’t built yet and/or no real plans to do so in medium and small towns), total death of the SUV’s and cars that run on gasoline (again, no real plans on what to do with them), more bikes on the road (without cars, they can ride in the middle of the road, oh wait, they do now!), electric cars (another thought without a plan for the new future demands these will add) etc……. I am not sure how these people think and I am not sure I really want too, however, I do know they weren’t expecting the “we” the people to turn towards drilling here at home for a solution. We still need a plan for our children’s future needs…. Drilling here is great start, we the people just need to make sure we don’t stop there …We need to stop them before “We” the people’s only option is to ride a bike to work. The plan…… to take away our “options” while telling us it is in our best interests….

The Democrats will start drilling on the 12th

They will start drilling on the 12th of Never!  They are so deep in bed with the socialist environmentalist tools that they can never allow for drilling or nuclear power.  Plus, at heart they are all anti-American. 

I can't believe that the Mr. Wussypants Republicans aren't beating the demonRats to death with this issue.  Anyone with cojones would be writing drilling and nuclear legislation on an hourly basis and getting in front of any camera in DC...including tourists!

Does any Republican have a pulse??????????

Jeff Lebowski

www.angrywhitedude.c...

Drill and refine

I think both parties will drag their feet until after the election and then approve or disapprove, depending on the winner, to claim or deny the credit for said winner.

Any suggestions on how to

Any suggestions on how to move the drill date up from 12th of never to something closer to my lifetime?  I am sporting a drill here bumper sticker on my SUV, but I don't think that is helping the cause..(and my mother won't let me put the same bumper sticker on her Prius ..... =) )  I do believe the GOP's need to put on their "big girl panties" (Since I don't have "cojones" .... ) and do something for a change..... breathing would be a great start..... I jumped over your website.... I like the soapbox pic!

 

Do Words Mean Things?

Help please.

Assume a child is born in the US to parents who are naturalized US citizens. The parents came to the US from Zimbabwe after their farm and other property were seized by the regime of Robert Mugabe. They were lucky to get out alive. The parents, who were 4th generation Rhodesians, are Caucasian through and through.

Is the newborn an African-American?

point made

I say yes......but everyone knows that the blacks use the 'African-american' term instead of 'black' They would scream if that kid in your example called himself an 'African-american' even though he is more Afircan-American than any of them are.......

   Same thing goes for

 

 Same thing goes for 1st generation Russian childeren being "Asian American"

and what about 1st gen Egyptian childeren they too are African American.....

 and the best part is these names and lables come from the libs who hate being labled......

 

I was awfuly suprised and pleased for the 5 mins after 9/11 that we were all AMERICANS....that was nice while it lasted

 

 

A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
 -Gerald Ford

East of the Urals

Russian-Americans can't be Asian-Americans unless they were born east of the Urals. 

:-) 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

PREDICTION

Caroline Kennedy will be the VP choice for Obama

Remember I was either right or wrong on July 3, 2008 at 11:03 am EST

 

Pay back for family indorsement

Delsa

Unless she does a Dick Cheney, I don't think so.  But it looks like she's seriously involved in the VP selection process for Obama.   Shows a little more of Barry's judgement that he bollixed it up at first (selection of his committee members) and then has to fall back on tried and true politics.

I like Caroline Kennedy, she is her mother's daughter, and I really don't think she'd step into the National spotlight as her brother did. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

mornin Blonde

I hear what you are saying. However she has already stepped out on the political stage.

Who better than a female kennedy?

Her mother was a woman stuck in a political hell in a political family. What freed her was the death of Jack.

The old shipping magnet she married was a comfort for her. An old father like guy who took great care of her. Someone she could trust loved her just for her and vica veersa.

I just think she could be it.

The only other one would be Colin Powell

The fat guy ah Richardson has an ech factor but ????

Back at you Delsa

I agree with you that her endorsement of Obama is a political act, but I just don't see her giving up her private life to run as V.P.  She is her mother's daughter, after all, and knows how to maintain her family's privacy while having one of the most recognizable faces on the planet.

It will be interesting to see who Obama eventually goes with (McCain as well), but I love to watch all of the shameless fawning, contorting, and spin-meistering the liberal press is engaging in.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Other than that

Her mother was a woman stuck in a political hell in a political family. What freed her was the death of Jack.

Other than "that" Mrs. Kennedy, how was your trip to Dallas??

(GRINS)  kilrod

Remember, only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American Soldier

As stated previously

As stated previously (tongue firmly planted in cheek), Caroline's major contribution would be to bring some gravitas to the ticket.

"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"

Not a bad call. If not, she

Not a bad call. If not, she will be a major cab member, perhaps education.

what i would like to read is:

how many people on this site write to their congressional reps. to voice their opinion on "any" issue? i write to my three demorats and they never respond! arrogant bastards!

Larry

I do and only in rare cases do I get anything but auto responses.

The VP of our United States did write me back.

Other than Dick Cheney I can't think of anyone else.

Letters, faxes and emails

I only do three things;  letter, fax and emails... I don't do phone calls, not yet! What I get back from the GOP's are emails from interns (who some times addressed what I really wrote to them about) or the standard form letter.   So far from the Dem's side I have only received the standard form letters/emails (auto reply/response stuff).

 

Up date: I just got this a few moments ago... 

Dear Mrs....  

Thank you for contacting me regarding H.R. 2905, the Broadcaster Freedom Act. I am in complete agreement with you and have added my name as a cosponsor of H.R. 2905. Additionally, I have signed the discharge petition to bring H.R. 2905 to the House floor for a vote.

 

The Fairness Doctrine may have had a purpose decades ago when there were far fewer media voices. But with the wide variety of media options today, it is simply inconceivable to me how anyone could complain that coverage of all sides of a given issue is not available to any interested American.

 

Thank you again for contacting me.

 

                                                                  Sincerely,

 

 

 

                                                                  Patrick J. Tiberi

                                                                  Representative to Congress

 

PJT/bb


 

I do - but only get form replies from Dems

My STUPID Senators only reply with form letters. My Representative (who is a rare Repub in this blue state) does reply to my emails - not sure if from him or an aide, but it is not form letters

I email my congressman

I never get an individual response back, except for the mechanical "we get so many emails ..." auto-reply. But I must say, the congressman (Ruppersberger, Maryland Democrat) put me on his email list, and he does send out a periodic sheet that explains his positions on recent or upcoming votes. In this day and age, I think that's a reasonable way to respond.

Sen Cornyn

I e-mailed Senator Cornyn's office on occasion, and still do.  In response, I get e-mail updates from his office that make it quite easy to see what he's up to. 

I sure as all hell will be voting for him this year!  (Did I mention that I love Senator Cornyn and think the junior Senator from TX is Da Man???) 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

→ I believe you have Unsane

And you might add (soon to be senior Texas Senator)

Great Statesman.  Love his video.

  • LYDSEXICS UNTIE

I write to mine through

I write to mine through Congress.org and use my NumbersUSA account to bombard them with faxes about immigration. I usually get a form letter back but not always on the same subject!

D

Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps.

I always call

In my congressman's case (a RINO) I have always received a letter in a matter of days that does in fact address the concern I expressed.  My U.S. Senators (an oldtime RINO and a freshman Dem), forget it.

I did enjoy calling my congressman's office back in April 07 and reaming out the person who answer the phone on my rep's vote to support Pelosi on the non-binding resolution about withdrawing from Iraq.  After I launched on him the guy (who turned out to be a reserve major in the USMC) asked me if I was going to keep yelling at him or did I want to have a discussion.  I said I was done venting and we went on to have a good discussion.  I didn't buy what the guy was saying but he got my point.

Our poor cousins the

Our poor cousins the British have collectively lost their backbones. They have become what our liberals are.

Recently, the mayor of London proclaimed that if you see someone getting the hell beat out of them on the street, for instance, do not interfere or try to help the person getting beat. He reiterated, DO NOT GET INVOLVED.

Thankfully, saner heads are protesting this CS proclamation and are even now advocating that the average Brit should be able to arm themselves with handguns if they so choose. There may be hope for our Limey cousins yet.

And now, today's Shrub

And now, today's Shrub Report®:

Happy early Independence Day, everybody!

Bad day for Longstreet and Lee today (even worse for Pickett). Even GW had a bad July 3rd (much closer to this Shrubber's home than Gettysburg). At least that didn't stop the Founders Fathers from appointing GW head of the new Continental Army on this date 21 years later. While we are still in Pennsylvania, these people had a very bad day, too, on this date in 1778. Finally, the Spanish Caribbean Squadron also had a really bad day on this day in 1898, running into the American Navy and getting pretty much wiped out.

 

In honor of Independence Day, here is an important news story.

Does any world leader buy into the Global Warming Hoax anymore?

Today, in 1971, Jim Morrison "broke on through to the other side"…

Isn't this region on the game map of RISK?

I guess FARC is the Colombian acronym for Pretty Friggin' Stupid. No wonder Chavez and the American Left are so enamored with them…

Another victory for the lame duck.

This is for all the Rush fans in the audience. I mean the REAL Rush.

How about a long-awaited testicle-eating-chimp update?

Since it's a holiday weekend, here's a nice time-waster.

 

And, finally, more 4th of July food fun!!

Hot Dogs

Being from Western NY, all I can say is I wouldn't feed my Shelties any of the stuff listed. If you want to know what REAL hot dogs are like, come on down! Sahlens, Zwiegels, Shelly, Wardynski, Malecki- we got 'em all.

→ Weenie World

Does anybody call it "Der Weinerschnitzel"?

Anyway, I'll be heading out to Weenie World for lunch break to Weenie World for a Kraut Dog and a Chili/Cheese/Onions.

  • LYDSEXICS UNTIE

"Der Weinerschnitzel" is

"Der Weinerschnitzel" is actually a breaded veal cutlet. The German equivalent of the hot dog would be one of the "wursts", such as bratwurst, et. al.

Where is Unsane with

Where is Unsane with commentary on the Rush review I posted? Where are all you Rush fans at?

Rog, we Rush fans are right here. They aren't hitting Atlanta...

...until the 22nd.

And the Southpark intro to Tom Sawyer was LMAO funny in the first leg of this tour I saw last year.

This really might be their last time around the horn.

Have ticket. Waiting impatiently. :-)

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

Thx for the link. That is

Thx for the link. That is cool that they have that intro.

I could not make the show here, I haven't seen them live in 25 years. Sigh.

 

Rush

Sorry Roger, I was busy watching my Astros get beat by the Dodgers here in Houston.

Believe me, I flew to Vancouver to see Rush play live.  THAT was money well spent. Especially when I saw "Freewill" played live for the first time since 1996!

Although I like "Ghost Of A Chance" and all, and was geeked to see it played live, it was still a tad depressing.  Troubles with women, one in particular these days.

By the way, here is another band I am obsessing over as of late: the Netherlands' very own Within Temptation. 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

Remember over two years ago

Remember over two years ago when our fearless leader dictated that we have to end "our addiction to oil"?

Looks like he did a pretty good job of implementing that. My addiction is waning now that gas is $4.50 a gallon.

Thus, the bait is tossed

Thus, the bait is tossed into the water.

The trolls are biting today, folks!

Was that not Pelosi said

Was that not Pelosi said that? Then blocked any bills that took any action on it?

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Follow a lot of politics, do

Follow a lot of politics, do you?

Do you? Whoops, forgot

Do you?

Whoops, forgot you were just trolling. Carry on.

That unseemly object seen

That unseemly object seen twitching on the ground used to be a portion of goldbar's anatomy.  :)

Good word

*tucks "unseemly" away into memory bank for future use*

I wasn't aware Congress set

I wasn't aware Congress set the price of a barrel of oil. They can drill all over the coast of California and Florida or Alaska for all I care, there isn't enough oil there to bring to market for another ten years and not enough to gain our indepence from the Middle East.

If we really wanted energy independence we could be driving electric cars and the sheiks would be living in shacks and war in the Middle East wouldn't exist, but that's not what the republicans want.

Congress has stopped our

Congress has stopped our own self-dependency of our own oil here in our own country for over thirty years...we have enough here to last oodles and ooldes of time.

Get a grip gb.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh 

So when Congress, the Senate

So when Congress, the Senate and the White House were all republican, why didn't they do anything about it?

You mean when oil was less

You mean when oil was less than $40 a barrel and gas cost less than $2 a gallon?

Here's the rise of the price

Here's the rise of the price of oil under Bush. He claimed we're addicted to oil, but has done nothing about it. I thought we were going to steal all that oil from Iraq but he couldn't even do that right.

OK, Leadweight. So under

OK, Leadweight. So under Bush with a Republican Congress and 6 years it goes up $35 or so. Since March of this year it has gone up $35 with a Democrat Congress and over $80 since the Dems took over Congress. (Keep up that rate of increase and it will be over $300 in time for November's election - your boy Obama might just get elected then.) You and the wacky left only say that Bush went into Iraq for the oil because you all want to steal what the "rich" have earned and give it to the "poor." You never consider the possibility that he saw that Sadaam was laughing at the UN and its acquiescing policies and needed to be stopped in order to save millions of Iraqi Kurds from annihilation.

gb... Ask McCain and his

gb...

Ask McCain and his handful of RINOs...we lost by one vote.

Still doesn't count for the other thirty years...now does it?

Clinton vetoed it when it did pass Congress. 

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh 

I wasn't aware Congress set

I wasn't aware Congress set the price of a barrel of oil, well apparently niether is congress or teh Dims in charge.  The real problem is the politicians in charge either Dims or Reps cant think beyond teh time for election.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Goldbar

Your deluded. Deceived . Tricked. Or just plain ignorant. The only reason it takes 10 years to get oil to market is environmental rules and regulations. IF you wanted to drill a well, you could have the drilling rig built in a year, hauled out to the site and set up in three months. With todays drilling technology, we can drill very deep wells in about 20 days, well heads and blowout preventers bolted and welded in place in a week, pump set in a week, and oil a few days after that.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

You are seemingly unaware of

You are seemingly unaware of many things. Perhaps you should learn to connect dots before coming here and make yourself look the fool.

You can't even troll effectively. Which of our esteemed NB brethren is responsible for the "we need a better class of troll around here"? This person is needed!

That would be me, Rog.

We need a better class of troll, here. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Thank you!

Thank you!

Connect these dots.

Connect these dots.

Wow. That was the best you

Wow. That was the best you could up with, Hater? Whoops, my bad!

Yawn.

 

Hey Freeper, The point

Hey Freeper,

The point being, the oil industry isn't even drilling on land they have permits for that contain oil. So blame them. They can drill TODAY if they want on oil rich property, but they choose not to in order to keep prices high.

Try again goldbrick............

I have heard this tired worn out excuse from the left and I'm sick of it........One more time.....the leases you are talking about either have been explored and no oil was found, or the oil found is too expensive, at this moment, to extract.  Why not go where we KNOW there is a great deal of it, and it can be extracted cheaply....hmmmm...I dont know, like off the California coast, off of Florida, where the Chinese are extracting it 90 miles from our coast.  South Dakota and Montana come to mind as well......opps almost forgot...ANWR!!! 

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

Wow. We're talking some

Wow.

We're talking some seriously thick granite block here, folks.

 

goldbar, you make a point.. However if the oil is pumped

where on American soil, will one be able to REFINE it?

The first (MAYBE) OIL REFINERY in 33 years may be built, once they pass the 28 PERMITS. ..I'm sure your buddies over at earth justice, are filing a law suit to STOP this EVIL project as we , fill up..you fill up right?

Liberals62%


IranianUranium

Leadweight gives us

Leadweight gives us editorial nonsense from readers of a so-called newspaper that isn't even good enough to wrap the fish pulled out of Marsh Creek.

"If we really wanted energy

"If we really wanted energy independence we could be driving electric cars and the sheiks would be living in shacks and war in the Middle East wouldn't exist, but that's not what the republicans want."

Are Republicans stopping every other country in the world from switching to electric cars too?

Let me know when they

Let me know when they invent an electric car that is cheaper to operate,  as cheap or cheaper to acquire, and has performance comparable to  a similar internal combustion powered vehicle.  In the meantime, I am going to continue to drive my gas guzzling, carbon belching, pollution mobile in preference to shanks' mare.

Try blowing smoke up somebody else's arse.

goldbar, you are an idiot. I am talking brain-dead idiot here.

If only 5% of the US population started driving your precious electric cars daily, what do you think would happen to this nation's power grids when they all get home from work and "plug in?"

This is the low-volume toilet fiasco all over again. Sure, they use less water per flush, but you HAD TO FLUSH THEM MULTIPLE TIMES!

When are you libs going to gain the ability to apply linear logic to a problem, and not just girlie-man emotionalism?

The year 2037, perhaps?

Hell, by then, you libs will be extinct.

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

low volume toilets

"but you HAD TO FLUSH THEM MULTIPLE TIMES!"

I guess liberals are like the things you flush, no matter how many times you flush, that one nugget keeps coming back :-)

edit

Oh crap "pun intended"  that can be used against me someday.

 

Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it

Pbbar whining about what he does not know again

 If we really wanted energy independence we could be driving electric cars and the sheiks would be living in shacks and war in the Middle East wouldn't exist, but that's not what the republicans want.  Your entire existence here on NB is to show us what an economic idiot you are, isn't it?  What conservatives want is for us to tap our own supplies of oil, something you Socialists fight tooth and nail.  And let's say electric cars become viable (dream on for quite some time).  We have to get THAT electricity from somewhere.  Where do YOU suggest we get that from?  No matter: you'll just whine, cry, bitch and scream about that too. 

We barely use Middle East oil.  Logistics and transportation sees to that.  Only 13-15% of our oil comes from the Middle East.  To sound somewhat more credible, may I suggest saying something like "having Premier Stelmach and PM Harper live in shacks"?

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

Good morning Unsane

Happy 4th of July to you.


"We barely use Middle East oil. Logistics and transportation sees to that. Only 13-15% of our oil comes from the Middle East"

I'm not saying I agree with what Goldbar says, but regardless of us getting little of our oil from the middle east, any instability that happens there effects the price of oil, which happens to be the same in Saudi Arabia or Canada

Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it

Transportation costs still matter

Well, duh.  If Iran were to seize Saudi oil fields tomorrow, because demand on Happyland's oil would increase due to Saudi oil being taken off the market, prices would rise.

Nonetheless, all things being equal, I'd rather grab Canadian, Mexican, or (gasp!) Texas oil.  Why?  Transportation costs.   

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

That was 2006, goldie...it

That was 2006, goldie...it was pelosi said it just last week. You should listen.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

You can send a thank you

You can send a thank you note here.

D

Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps.

I Know!!! Nuke it!!!

Seems companies are banking on technology to save our economic future. Microwaves to the rescue.

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

GRC and Microwaves

I am actually working with Frank Pringle and GRC. I go over to West Berlin, NJ once every week or so and check how they are doing on the analytical part of their work. It is fascinating - they have taken shale, used oil, tar, switchgrass and other garbage and extracted straight-chain hydrocarbons from C6-C60. Depending on the frequency they use, they can "crack" the junk into something usuable, like C6-C44 - gasoline to heating oil. They are actually producing these systems on a process scale - 5-10 tons an hour. 

For the Socialist plumbumbar

(Playing violins)

Well, the solutions in life are SO SIMPLE!

Walk, use mass transit, or ride a bike!

Well, hey, it is what you Socialists want the rest of us to do, right??? 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

unsane -- well as Obama

unsane -- well as Obama ackowledged, he has NO problem with high gas prices.

Heck, that's what the enviromental cases want.. $10, $20 a gallon, the higher the merrier.

No, the only thing they don't like is the speed of the rise, because the folks tend to notice it. And the folks don't like it. And the folkd will vote with their wallets.

But make no mistake, Democrats are so far up the butt of the soylent greenies, they want to see gas priced out of reach.

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

Desperate Fmr. Gov't Scientists Ramp Up Global Warming Hysteria

You knew it had to happen sooner or later.

Seven former senior US officials have gone on record stating that a new government agency needs to be created to address "Global Warming".

They want this new agency to be called the "Earth Systems Science Agency"

The new federal agents will be armed and will go around conducting raids, confiscating CO2 belching SUV's, TV's, Air Conditioners, and Lawnmowers... no doubt. 

Idiots.  When will we be free of this folly?  I fear that the scientific community has succumbed to a form of mental illness, and gravely so.

Source: The Ass. Press

---

Sen. John McCain (2003):
"
...I am proud to say that I was born in your country.&

Caution: language may be offensive to some.

I went grocery shopping this weekend, which in hindsight may not have been very
wise.
You see, the previous evening I had prepared and consumed a massive quantity of
my patented 'You're definitely going to shit yourself' chili.
Tasty stuff, albeit hot to the point of being painful, which comes with a
written guarantee from me that if you eat it, the next day both of your
ass cheeks WILL fall off.
Here's the thing. I had awakened that morning, and even after two cups of
coffee (and all of you know what I mean) nothing happened.
No 'Watson's Movement 2'. Despite habanera peppers swimming their way through
my intestinal tract, I appeared to be unable to create the usual morning
symphony referred to by my next door neighbors as thunder and lightning.
Knowing that a time of reckoning had to come, yet not sure of just when, I
bravely set off for the Wal-Mart grocery store for some tasty breakfast and
lunch tidbits.
Upon entering the store, at first all seemed normal. I selected a cart and
began pushing it about dropping items in for purchase.
It wasn't until I was at the opposite end of the store from the restrooms that
the pain hit me. Oh, don't act like you don't know what I'm talking about.
I'm referring to that 'Uh oh, gotta go' pain that always seems to hit us at the
wrong time. The thing is, this pain was different.
The habaneras in the chili from the night before were staging a revolt. In a
mad rush for freedom they bullied their way through the small intestines, forcing
their way into the large intestines, and before I could take one step in the
direction of the restrooms which would bring sweet relief, it happened.
The peppers fired a warning shot.
There I stood, alone in the spice and baking aisle, suddenly enveloped in a
noxious cloud the likes of which has never before been recorded. I was afraid
to move for fear that more of this vile odor might escape me. Slowly, oh so
slowly, the pressure seemed to leave the lower part of my body, and I
began to move up the aisle and out of it, just as an elderly woman turned into
it.
I don't know what made me do it, but I stopped to see what her reaction would
be to the invisible but odorous cloud that refused to dissipate, as she walked
into it unsuspecting. Have you ever been torn in two different directions
emotionally?
Here's what I mean, and I'm sure some of you at least will be able to relate.
I could've warned that poor woman but I didn't. I simply watched as she
walked into an invisible, and apparently indestructible, wall of odor so
terrible that all she could do before gathering her senses and running, was to
stand there blinking and waving her arms about her head as though trying to
ward off angry bees. This, of course, made me feel terrible, but then made me
laugh.
Mistake.
Here's the thing. When you laugh, it's hard to keep things 'clamped down',
if you know what I mean. With each new guffaw an explosive issue burst
forth from my nether region. Some were so loud and echoing that I was later
told a few folks in other aisles had ducked, fearing that someone was robbing
the store and firing off a shotgun.
Suddenly things were no longer funny. IT was coming, and I raced off through
the store towards the restrooms, laying down a cloud the whole way, praying
that I'd make it before the grandmal assplosion took place.
Luck was on my side. Just in the nick of time I got to the john, began the
inevitable 'Oh my God', floating above the toilet seat because my ass is
burning SO BAD, purging. One poor fellow walked in while I was in the middle of
what is the true meaning of 'Shock and Awe'.
He made a gagging sound, and disgustedly said, 'Sonofabitch! ',then quickly
left.
Once finished I left the restroom, reacquired my partially filled cart
intending to carry on with my shopping when a store employee approached me and
said, 'Sir, you might want to step outside for a few minutes. It appears some
prankster set off a stink bomb in the store. The manager is going to run the
vent fans on high for a minute or two which ought to take care of the problem.'
That of course set me off again, causing residual gases to escape me. The
employee took one sniff, jumped back pulling his shirt up to cover his nose
and, pointing at me in an accusing manner shouted,
'IT'S YOU!', then ran off returning moments later with the manager. I was
unceremoniously escorted from the premises and asked none too kindly not to
return.
Home again without having shopped, I realized that there was nothing to eat but
leftover chili, so I consumed two more bowls.
The next day I went to shop at Kroger's. I can't say anymore about that because
we are in court over the whole matter.
Bastards claim they're going to have to repaint the store.

It's either the Habeneros

It's either the Habeneros or the laughter - but either way, my eyes are burning! Have another bowl for me!

  THAT is too funny, I

 

 THAT is too funny, I have people here looking at me

I have copied it and e-mailed it to a few friedns with the subject of " Funny Story" I hope you don't mind

 

Best part: " IT was coming" I am lughing typing it out now  

 

A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
 -Gerald Ford

karma... that is a

karma...

that is a side-splitter!

I am laughing as I type this...I also am sending this on to a few friends...

...thanks for the afternoon humor...much needed around here at times.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh 

Obama and McCain are both lying

 I would invite any and all to Google "Gull Island Oil".  Back in the '70s ARCO and BP discovered what was then described as "The largest pool of oil in North America, perhaps the world." It is estimated the it contains as much or more oil than all of Saudi Arabia.  The truth is the wells ARE ALREADY DRILLED. All that is needed is to put the pumps in place and connect to the existing Trans-Alaska pipeline and they could be producing a conservitivly estimated TWO MILLION Barrels a day! Sice then another field has been discovered that holds at least as much as Prudhoe Bay.  If there are two massive untapped fields there are more.

This needs to be thrown in the face of both candidates and answers demanded as to why the discovery was declared "classified" and hidden from the public.

 

"A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master and deserves one."

Alexander Hamilton

LCT...Exactly

LCT...

Exactly right...

I used to have a link to it...I will look and see if I still do and put it here...

I have posted the same thing as you have here in the past...for all the good it does...if you know what I mean.

Btw...I always found this about oil fascinating and have never heard much about it since. 

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh 

bigtimer, Drill for lighter than air helium.

Yea, I thought it odd that we get all commerical helium from under the ground! In 4.3 billion years don't you think it would have all leaked away ?

Liberals62%


IranianUranium

Hi upc... Well, at least

Hi upc...

Well, at least you read the link...

That's why I didn't bother to look up Gull Island and put it here, nobody reads them...(I did look for my old one I used to put here, couldn't find it, ScottieDog is the one that turned me on to it..it really would do people way to look that up if they are interested in large finds of oil)

Glad you did...I found it fascinating.

Btw..wherever you are SD...I miss you.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh 

Thanks bt... I heard

Thanks bt...

I heard about this just a few months ago, then nothing. Great link!

 

45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm

Thanks LCT.....that was a point I was.......

trying to make with goldbrick.  He stated that the oil companies have all theses leases with oil overflowing from them.  I pointed out to our un-learned troll, that the leases he is refering to were explored, but 1) had no oil in them, or 2) the oil was too expensive to extract.  I was going to hit him with the "Gull Island" reality......but I will defer to you. 

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

Hi Begrunt... I saw the

Hi Begrunt...

I saw the post you are talking about to gb...I was going to say forget about it...it's like banging your head against the wall when it comes to him, he's just a troll...then he went and pi$$ed me off about something else and I never got back to you...LMAO...

See, some-days you can ignore some of the trolls, some-days you can't.

Still laughing...

WE are all the same at times when it comes to these little irritating trolls...

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh 

LOL bt.........I know.....

I'm a glutton for punishment sometimes.  I usually try to ignore them, but sometimes I just cant let a "Bold Faced LIE" go unchallenged.  I think you remember my full court press with j. frank a couple of days ago........still fuming over that one.  But, thanks to you guys.....we really went at him.

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

Oil Prices and Farming

Hello

 

I am in the trucking biz in NJ....as such I get the opportunity to sit down with a wide variety of drivers from many parts of the country.

Most of the drivers are from smallish towns and rural areas and a common thread I have heard over the past 2-3 months is that smallish and marginal farmers..ie farming as a 2nd job..are removing themselves from production because of the high cost of gas..and diesel. I find this VERY VERY distressing and ominous for the future of food production. this is all anecdotal and there are no hard facts but I have heard this independently from different drivers from very different parts of the nation.

Does anyone know if there has been any real time study or investigation of this possible phenomena??? Has anyone else heard this line of thought??

I grew up in Rhodesia..now Zimbabwe..and as you all have read..a downward spiral in an economy ..once initiated by deliberate malevolent policies (farm seizures in Zim or no energy production policies in America) is difficult to contain.

 

I would be interested in any response

 

Paarl Of Rhodesia

 

email: kapppaarl@yahoo.com

Scarborough vs Maddow

I just listened to msnbc with Joe Scarborough taking Gregory's place tonight...the most hilarious thing happened with him and Maddow..I absolutely loved it..there may be a link later...I don't know...

Nevertheless the panel was talking about Obama's flip-flopping again today on withdrawing from Iraq during his Press conference or whatever you want to call all the BS...

She was the only one on the whole panel who kept defending him, even Joe brought up, I guess it depends on the definition of what is is...

anyway, she kept cackling when others would say different about Obama flip-flopping, plain and simple, each time she laughed loudly...

Finally Joe said something like "Rachael, I got to hand it to you...you have that Clinton Cackle down to perfection...."

I about died laughing...

It was the best!!!

Oh he got her good...

Like they say...pay backs are hell...

He walked off the set if memory serves me as a panel guest with her on as a panel guest not long back. 

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh 

Anybody at NB grilling/cooking anything interesting tomorrow?

Just wondering.  :-)

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

RD, I am grilling

all kinds of animal flesh tomorrow and emitting more carbon into the atmosphere than all ofAl Gore's houses and jets combined!  At least I hope I am!

Then we're piling into the family truckster to see the fireworks tomorrow night.  More carbon emissions.

And I'm going to smile while thinking that it is great to live in the greatest country in the world.  A free man!

Jeff Lebowski

www.angrywhitedude.c...

Ribs and corn

Four racks of ribs that have been marinading for the last days, hand rub with season everyday. Starting early, smoke them first with hickory and later on the grill for about three hours on low. Fresh sweet corn, homemade potato salad, cornbread. Oh yea, can't forget the baked beans, fresh apple and cherry pie. Washed down with some Samuel Adams for adults and fresh lemon aid for the kiddies. Fireworks to follow. See if I can't raise my carbon footprint a tad.

During this time with political correctness at its zenith, I reserve the right to let you know you're an idiot.

Jefflabrontasaurus..You'll need a Permit, if AL Gore has his way

Charcoal Grills.......Start your FIRES......PUT up some CO2..

Use Newspapers to Start the Charcoal....NY Times is the preferred charcoal starter...but don't Buy one...unless you put in Coins, and TAKE OUT 2 Papers...then you're justified.

Bar-B-Que the Planet, Melt the ICE Caps....WE have the POWER !!! (since we can't afford AL Gores Electrical Bills)

\The Republican Revolution will not be Televised

JayTee, charcoal grills? You mean, there is another kind?

Other than charcoal, I mean.

LMAO!

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

Guys, this is embarrassing, but I am doing burgers and dogs.

Of course, they will be killer, as the burgers are going to be made from coursely-ground chuck (with Amurrican cheese, TYVM), and I am also doing home-made fries, my seriously kick-ass potato salad and maybe even some baked beans.

Will also have plenty of beer around. Samuel Adams (what else for the 4th?) will be the suds served this year.

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

I'm Grilling an Obama Burger..It Flips itself..every 3 Minutes

The Gas Prices Forbid anything else.....Think of Pelosi, as you Light the Grill....with Petro...

The Republican Revolution will not be Televised

JayTee, I think I'll stick to my two trusty Weber


Chimney starters.

LOL-That petrol derived stuff can have explosive results. :-O

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

Find a NASA Temperature Station to GRILL UNDER

Take a Picture and send it to Hanson.....Celebrate !!! 

The WAR is OVER...SUPPORT THE TROOPS, start your Fire with a copy of the Koran !!

The Republican Revolution will not be Televised

RD I take one of those on raft trips.. a few brickettes around

the dutch oven.. cherry cobbler, in the middle of America, on the river... bliss.

Liberals62%


IranianUranium

My family of 7 brothers and

My family of 7 brothers and sisters, along with our children will be getting into our big, bad, gas eating SUVs and driving to our parents house. 

Of course, each one of us owns a big, bad SUV. 

When we get there, we will turn on three huge Weber grills to feed my parents' 15 grandkids, 7 kids and their respective spouses! 

Then, my brothers and I are going to go down to the race track, get into our Rx-8s, Rx-7s and burn gasoline for no reason at all!  

We are helping all we can to bring Global Warming to America! YES! YES! YES!  it is a worthy cause to support.  :-) 

 

"Fut, I find your religion a brutally Satanic rape and dismemberment of the...Holy Bible" July 1, 2008 by Tracheostomy

RDH

Filet Mignon, Rack of Lamb, chicken wings and Caspers hot dogs. I'm doing mine on Saturday though, a family member does have tomorrow off.

Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it

Shawn, if I start packing now, I can be at Hartsfield/Jackon in

...less that two hours.

Plenty of time to make the 3000 mile flight from Atlanta to SF.

Pick me up at the airport? :-)

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

wouldn't have it any other way RD

Who did you think I had I had in mind to cook the stuff ;-) I'm sure you are disgusted with me though. I abandoned the Weber for a gas grill.

Not my fault I swear, I have a homeowners association and just like
California liberals, they are taking away all the fun. No more charcoal on our patios and only gas.

Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it

I cannot bring myself to

I cannot bring myself to call it anything but Hartsfield.

Hermano, that's okay, as I misspelled Maynard's last name anyway

:-)

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

Sure!  I was planning to

Sure!  I was planning to make an excursion over to HuffPost and roast a few Hufftards.  They are nice and crispy crunchy when they are done and taste like chicken.

NL 207 and after , you gulp them down

the good news is that they are 100% recycleable ..all fiber

Liberals62%


IranianUranium

ucw, except for the toxins.

Deadly, those are. :-)

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

RD, there it is on the menu at the bagdad booze and boar, bar

finger food (middle finger)

no EPA to deal with.

. iraq code HVAC (fart fan)

Liberals62%


IranianUranium

My experience is, after

My experience is, after you BBQ away all the fat and gas, there isn't that much substance to them at all.

For those interested in 4th

For those interested in 4th of July BBQ, this link might prove appealing!   There is a heaping helping of roast Hufftard there.

Shocking to see you ask

Shocking to see you ask that question RD, haha

Having friends and family over, grilling chicken, burgers, hot dogs, and kielbasa. Gotta have kielbasa!

 

Rog, please tell me the kielbasa is made with both beef AND pork

...as we have a really difficult time getting the "real" stuff down this way.  :-(

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

You got it, RD, with a nice

You got it, RD, with a nice skin that crisps when you grill em! haha

shawn, LOL-yeah "Homowner's Association" is a polite term for...

...Neighborhood Nazis.

If the homeowner's association around here told me I could no-longer use charcoal, I would go out and buy this thing and put it right in the middle of the driveway. :-)

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

RD

We call them "condo commandos".

They're all a bunch of busy bodies, which is why I'd never buy a home in any kind of a planned community or condo situation. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive