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In describing the reasons he believes the Republicans' presumptive nominee for president would be better prepared than the Democrats' to lead the nation next January, Sen. Joe Lieberman said that history shows the United States would likely face a terrorist attack in 2009. "Our enemies will test the new president early," Lieberman, I-Conn., told Face The Nation host Bob Schieffer. "Remember that the truck bombing of the World Trade Center happened in the first year of the Clinton administration. 9/11 happened in the first year of the Bush administration."

Despite the likely political nature of this statement, is he right? Is this true only if Obama wins in November, or will al Qaeda offer a shot across the bow irrespective of who's in the White House? Does this make it even more imperative that bin Laden finally gets captured or killed?

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I believe that no matter

I believe that no matter who the President is, there could be a terrorist attack.

That is the biggest mistake that Liberls make, they believe that if a Democrat is in the Presidency that some how, the terrorist will not attack.

How many times have I heard a Liberal Obamunist say, "If Al Gore was in the White House, 9/11 would have never happened."  BS, 9/11, as well as any other major attack will happen regardless of who is President.

As for Liberman's comments, they are true.  Who ever wins the Presidency in November, must be ready on his first minute as President to take on the terrorists.  Somehow, I believe Obama will be more worried about holding hand with them than destroying them. 

"That is the biggest

"That is the biggest mistake that Liberls make, they believe that if a Democrat is in the Presidency that some how, the terrorist will not attack."

Notice that liberals only consider 9/11 as a terrorist attack.  They don't consider the first Trade Center as a terrorist attack or USS Cole or Khobar Towers as terrorist attacks.   I think they try to downplay these events so that people don't realize how "asleep at the wheel" Clinton was.

Gothampc, Excellent

Gothampc,

Excellent point!!! 

1993-WTC bombing

1996-American base attacked in Saudi Arabia

1998-American embassies bombed in Africa

2000-U.S. Cole attacked

Clinton, a Liberal, was asleep at the wheel.  If Clinton would have caputured or killed Bin Laden in the 1990s, maybe 9/11 would have never happened, just maybe. 

I find it amusing when left wingers claimed, "those that carried out the WTC in 1993 are in jail today."  I always tell them, "Geez, then please tell President Bush to stop hunting for Osama Bin Laden, since he is in our jails."  All I get is insults from the Liberals.  :-)

Actually I can give

Actually I can give President Clinton a C+ on this because like any event there was just not enough support for a retaliation on the scale of Afghanistan or Iraq.  He did not do an adequate job but he did what teh American public could stumache at the time.  If you look at all the conflicts the public did not like Americans dying.  It took a 911 event to galvanize support for action.

Support is waning because the effort is becoming tedius and the real work is hard.  Thr american public is not used to such things and we are not the people we were during WWII and possibly will never be.  Also all prior long engagements have had faces and countries to put with bad actions and now we dont.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Dan The Man 2, It is not

Dan The Man 2,

It is not often that I disagree what you say on NB, but in this case, I believe you are wrong.

I give President Clinton a big fat F on this.  The President of the United States is a leader, not a follower.  He is not suppose to do the whim of the American people, he is suppose to protect us and do what is right for America, even if that means going against the will of the people.

I agree, in the 1990s people were way too complacent and American could and would not have stomached a war like today's.  However, if President Clinton was the great leader that so many Democrats and even some Republicans claim he was, he would have done what was right, regardless if it cost him a second term in office. 

The right thing was to go after Bin Laden like Bush has, not the way that Clinton did it. 

Bush went after Bin Laden and after Hussein without caring if he was re-elected into office.  Bush has certainly not followed the will of Americans in Iraq, rather he has done what he knows is right for America. 

The difference between a leader and a politician.  Bush vs. Clinton. 

Leaders do what is right, what is moral, even if it is not popular.  Politicians do whatever is going to keep them in office. 

Oh really?

"Leaders do what is right, what is moral, even if it is not popular. Politicians do whatever is going to keep them in office."

And just what would you call the process by which Bush was elected to a second term? Probably the most orchestrated "election" to keep a President in office in American history.

Move along troll, we don't

Move along troll, we don't debate truther type foolishness.

 Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.  

Hmm, so I guess you're only open to one-sided debates

Interesting how you can so quickly disregard other opinions. That says alot more about the mindset here than your definition of a 'troll.'

Nope, see below

Nope, see below Doop.
 

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Dooper...please cite proven

Dooper...please cite proven and correct orchestrations that you refer to. Also, please include democrat attempts to disqualify military absentee ballots.

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Dooper....that is exactly

Dooper....that is exactly what I thought. Your long on mouth and short on facts. A word of advice, liers and fabricators do not last long here. You might consider cutting your losses and refrain from making false statements.

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Umm...

How about the Supreme Court and the Florida Attorney General (?), don't remember her name. My point was responding to the line about "leaders who do what is right and politicians who do whatever it takes to stay in office."

It seems to me that the Republicans did whatever it took to keep Bush in office thus presenting a difference of opinion to the prior author's line. That's all.

Dooper, what did that have

Dooper, what did that have to do with the 2004 election? Nothing that I know of.

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bass

Merely a tad more liberal cluelessness on display.

Here ya go, dooper....Katherine Harris, 2000, Gore sued for inequitable recounts in democratic counties (ad nauseum), butterfly ballots in Palm Beach, courtesy of a Dem Supervisor of Elections, the tossing of military ballots.  Poor John Kerry!

Oh yeah, I digress.  Liberals....sheesh! 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Blonde, Dooper specificaly

Blonde, Dooper specificaly called out the Florida Attorney General, who was Bob Butterworth in 2000. The only way he was involved in the 2000 election was this little ploy to count ballots the dems did not want counted.

Katherine Harris Secretary of State of Florida during the 2000 Presidential Election. The dems were angry because she certified the Florida election results, according to the law. She was required to certify and submit the vote tallys, as reported by all of the districts in the state, by a specific time and date. Thats what she did.

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Thanks, Bass

I live in the heart of liberal Broward County...home of the hanging chad, pregnant chad, and innumerable recounts.

It's still a nightmare.

Katherine Harris is an ironclad broom rider, but she followed the law and did her job. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Again, Dooper...the

Again, Dooper...the crickets are chirping.

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This is exactly teh point

This is exactly teh point Bass was making "How about the Supreme Court and the Florida Attorney General (?), don't remember her name" because you present no arguments or facts to back up your claims.  It appears you were throwing bombs and leaving teh scene, which is troll behavior, but if you present facts and thesis we will engage.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

2000 election...

Doesn't take away from my point. The Supreme Court and Katherine Harris did what they had to do to have Bush elected. Again, I'm countering the line about 'leaders do what is right and politicians do what they have to stay in office.'

Anyway...I don't have time for this.  You all can continue your co-dependency posts and make yourselves feel all chummy "nuke 'em this" and "club 'em that."  Frankly, you all don't represent where America is going and you might as well get used to it.

 

Where America is going???

Frankly, you all don't represent where America is going and you might as well get used to it."

Hmmm....America is going?.....hmmm, you mean towards a socialistic government?  Just as most countries are shedding their socialistic governments?  Socialism....a failure everywhere it has been tried. 

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

Dooper, on the contrary, it

Dooper, on the contrary, it refutes your point. Again, your ignorance is beyond belief. The state statutes of Florida give specific time lines for the certification of and submission of state vote tallies. Mrs. Harris waited as long as she could and certified the vote, according to the tallies submitted by the counties. She did not fabricate them, she did not skewer them in anyway.

The Supreme Court simply ruled according to the Constitution of the United States. The Florida court was ruling according to the Constitution of Florida. Not valid for recounting National elections. National elections are governed by the Constitution of the United States.

By the way. Even with the recounting of the ballots in Gores selected counties, Gore still lost. Gore droped his challenge when the Supreme Court ruled that in the national election, the entire contested state must be recounted. Gore selected only liberal strongholds in Florida to recount. The Constitution states that in the presidential election, you can contest the count, but you contest the state. Gore knew that, but tried to pull a fast one.

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Sarcasm.

Constitution, Shmonstitution! It's just a piece of paper that can be changed at any time. Why bother following silly things like "original intent"?

"Doesn't take away from my

"Doesn't take away from my point. The Supreme Court and Katherine Harris did what they had to do to have Bush elected."

Yeah....they followed the law, lol. How dare they not ignore the law and give it to Gore.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha 

Wait a minute (breathes deeply) 

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I'm going to replace my sig line with that one...

BTW, if you intellectually honest enough, you would leave this forum and never return.

 

"I don't have time for this. You all can continue your co-dependency posts and make yourselves feel all chummy (with) "nuke 'em this" and "club 'em that."  Frankly, you all don't represent where America is going and you might as well get used to it."

-- Dedicated and open NB poster known at "Dooper"

if you intellectually honest enough, you would leave this forum

Isn't that exactly what you people want. There's what, maybe 20-25 of you who think you're so much smarter than everyone else and need a paranoid website (oh yeah, to combat the left-wing media bias...RIGHT!!) to make you all feel better about your diminishing place in the world? I'll say it again, you do not represent the mindset of America and where its going so get used to it. I'm not being liberal, I'm not trying to rub it in by saying "Ha, ha, ha", I'm just stating fact. Your time is up. Cute girl in the T-shirt ads, BTW.

OMG, Dooper!

Dude, you need to put a warning on your posts, here...spew alert.

Seriously, that is about the most immature argument I've ever seen here....what are you, about twelve?

Dooper:  "Blah, blah, blah (DKos talking points)"

NB'ers:   "Facts, facts, facts".

Dooper:  Delusionally..."That's just the way it's going to be, get used to it"

Next time, try facts, not talking points and emotions.  But thanks for the laugh.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Hmm, facts...

There are just as many left-wing websites who think the media is biased to the right. That's a fact. I guess that makes them not so much different than yours, from the standpoint that extreme views tend to be angry and defensive. That's an opinion but one has only to read the attack posts here to see that is true.

For example, I'm reading one of the recent articles here on Sting and how he is so hypocritical for talking up pro-environment issues while he rides solo in a private plane. I mean, it then becomes open season on Sting to berate him on everything from his name to his music!! You people are unbelievable.

Dooper...how fitting

There are just as many left-wing websites who think the media is biased to the right. That's a fact.

We would ALL love to see them, rook.

 

You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?

So, the quantity of websites

So, the quantity of websites devoted to supposed "right-wing media bias" makes it fact?

Using THAT logic, we can all now safely accept as fact that 9/11 was an inside job, we never landed on the moon, Neiman Marcus charges $250 for their chocolate cookie recipe, and Ron Paul will be the next president.

You make another illogical comment, equating people pointing out your rather insipid statements to being "angry and defensive"? Let's face it, Doop, your short track record here hs not exactly been one that would dazzle even the least descriminate reader.

Oh, the door is right behind you. You are most welcome to leave at your leisure. Or, you could stay, grow a pair, use better discretion before posting, and we will get along fine.

Rog, the Doop will only

Rog, the Doop will only make doopy statements and will not engage once the facts are presented. In other words, "troll".

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Roger The Husseiner

shrubbo -- and he doesn't even have the redeeming quality of being funny!

Jack Hussein Bauer -- RECLAIM THE NAME! Roger the Husseiner?

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

Indeed!

I proclaim a JIHAD on all shrubbery!

Derka derka!

You're right...

Of course you're right. How could anyone think you could be wrong. You people are so caught up in your righteousness that everyone else is a 'troll' or 'needs balls.' Well, I hate to tell you this co-dependents but you're so focused on the trees with your 'facts' that none of you are seeing the forest.

I hate to digress but you people are pitiful. You would continue to perpetuate a direction this country is headed which is leading to economic ruin. A trillion dollar war of which this country is getting virtually no economic benefit out of has destroyed our dollar and is causing an inflationary spiral in commodities. And no, don't blame it on liberals. The only people that are benefitting are foreigners and they are buying up American assets as we speak. The rest of the world is moving forward while America's future has been put on a credit card by GW Bush. So take a look at the forest there co-dependents...America doesn't need to worry about 'terrorists' attacking us again. Why should they? They're going to own us at this rate.

Sooo Dooper. You again

Sooo Dooper. You again change your subject. Of course, it is what I expected, a change of argument, at this point. So, what direction is it you would recommend? What is your solution to the energy needs in this country? How would you reduce the price of oil in the next month?
 

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Droopy Drawers

All we have asked is for you to support your position.

If you can't do that, just say so and stop with the emotional dribble. If you can, then we can have a sensible debate that you will lose.

You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?

You should have stopped at

You should have stopped at your first sentence: Of course you're right. How could anyone think you could be wrong.

That was that was needed to be said. Thank you.

You may go now.

 

 

→ Can't help it Drooper

There are just as many left-wing websites who think the media is biased to the right. - Drooper

radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam in a country like AmericaRosie O'Donnell

You certainly have the template right.

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Why quote "left-wing"

Why quote "left-wing" websites who think the MSM is biased to the right, despite the fact that 80-90% of journalists openly admit Democrat/liberal leanings?

Why not give us some examples YOU HAVE PERSONALLY READ or heard -- on NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, the New York Times, the Washington Post, the AP, et al that show a clear and consistent "bias" to the "right."

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

I personally am quite

I personally am quite believable, thank you. Just ask my imaginary friends.

 

“it is not the role of this Court to pronounce the Second Amendment extinct.” - Justice Antonin Scalia

so dooper

Are you going to defend your inuendo about 2004 now, or what? We've been asking for details for a while now and all you can do is wander off subject.

There is a time and place to talk about the changing mood of the country....but *you* brought up the election here with no solid assertions to explain yourself.

Explain your position with candor or be labeled as a troll. Your choice.

My point was to counter the

My point was to counter the argument at the top of this thread that 'leaders do what is right and politicians do what they have to do to get re-elected.'

I stated that I believe, as do many others, that the re-election of GW Bush constituted more along the lines of political partisanship than leadership. I did not remember the name of the woman (Katherine Harris) or her title (why I put a question mark) and I was in error that it was the election of GW Bush rather than the re-election. Guess that makes me a troll. I can live with that.

Dooper, your argument was

Dooper, your argument was still wrong. Your permise for the statement was wrong. And I cited the only questions in the re-election that was noted in Florida. And that was the dems trying to elect Kerry. Your time line was wrong, your assumptions were wrong, your facts were confused, (if, indeed you had any). The short reply to you is, you didn't know what you were talking about.
 

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Dooped's feelings of things

Dooped's feelings of things are all that matter.  They (Libs) don't need facts to support emotions.  They create facts to support emotion not the other way around.

It's very sad  

 

"Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference.
The MARINES don't have that problem."
President Ronald Reagan - 1985

this is hilarious

So....

you confused two different elections, didn't know the name or position of the woman you complained about, and can't describe exactly how the SC allegedly screwed you over.

But the people who corrected you are the ostriches. Nice.

Thanks for the laugh - it's been a while since I've seen such a ridiculous discussion.

You're not a troll just because you got your facts wrong. What makes you a troll is posting a vague complaint about 2004, waiting for someone to ask for details, lazily mentioning people without bothering to check their names, and going off on a tirade about the "direction of the country" when pressed for an explanation.

Please dooper. You can't be this lazy and/or stupid in real life. Tell me you're being obtuse on purpose.

I told you so...   Nancy

I told you so... 

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wait just a second

What does Katherine Harris (you couldn't even be bothered to wiki her name) have to do with re-election in 2004? You say Republicans cheated to keep him in office and then, when pressed for details, you bring up inuendo from 2000.

And what about the Supreme Court? Gore's attempt in 2000 was to win the state by ignoring military and absentee ballots, which SCOTUS said was illegal. I fail to see how Gore pressuring us to ignore military votes qualifies as Republican schemes.

That kind of winking and nodding won't cut it on NB. We can debate this if you really want to, but please bring more ammo than "that one chick who worked in Florida."

This is why I don't debate

This is why I don't debate trolls.  I knew he was a troll from the first post using a truther type conspiracy theory.  Such people aren't interested in facts, just their conspiracy theories to validate their world view.  It's all about the assertion being truth until it is concretely put it down, then up pops another assertion.

 Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.  

John Kerry

"Probably the most orchestrated "election" to keep a President in office in American history."

Because we all know that elitist John Kerry was the right choice for America.  Yes, a bitter soldier who had "testified" years before in front of Congress was exactly the person we needed as POTUS during a war.

Oops, Goth

You used the "bitter" word.

Which reminds me of Kerry carrying the shotgun looking clueless. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Oops

It's just a typo.  I really meant to type "better".  [crosses fingers].

Emmmmm, I have to disagree

Emmmmm, I have to disagree on the not enough support part since Clinton's actions in Somalia with the Black Hawk Down incident is specifically what galvanized OBL regarding the Will of the US when confronting a hostile enemy.  Clinton had the support of the country in Somalia.  Clinton squandered that support when he cut and run due to the Black Hawk down incident.  OBL said plainly it was the US action in Somalia, namely Clinton's squeemishness, that emboldened him to fight against US interests all over the Globe.  Clinton's actions showed the US to be a paper tiger during his watch.  Had Clinton hung tough on Somalia, 911 would never have occured and OBL would be just another terrorist among many. 

BTW- Saddam Hussein was involved in the Black Hawk Down incident with al Qaeda's allies.  As far as I am concerned that was more than enough pretext to invade Iraq.  No one kills a US soldier and gets to walk away unscathed, without such concern the world would become even far more dangerous than it is now.

 Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.  

Clinton and Terrorism

"Actually I can give President Clinton a C+ on this because like any event there was just not enough support for a retaliation on the scale of Afghanistan or Iraq."

Let's face it, Democrats are not good leaders when it comes to confrontation.  (Kennedy and Bay of Pigs, Carter and Iran hostages, Clinton and terrorism). 

Back then, Clinton wouldn't have needed retaliation on the scale we see today.  He should have stopped it early on.  The terrorists became emboldened at his non-response.  And he would have had more support because the media loved him more than they do a Republican.  Clinton could have found the support if he wanted to.  After all, he did bomb Iraq, which resulted in a couple of dead camels. 

Unfortunately, Clinton fiddled while the US burned. 

Goth, that has to be a C+

Goth, that has to be a C+ for supporting terrorism and helping them build their foundation. Certainly, it cannot be for combating terrorism.  

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Don't Forget NY Senator Hillary

Oh silly me, thanks for the correction.

I'll also give Hillary a C+ for her 9-11 lies regarding where Chelsea was on that day.  While thousands were running for their lives, Chelsea was in a Park Avenue apartment and Hillary was scheming how best to get her daughter Photoshopped into one of the pictures of the fleeing crowd.

Agreeded Goth. Liberals

Agreeded Goth. Liberals seem to think that a terrorist attack is not a "terrorist" attack on America, unless it takes place in the US, and kills an untold number of Americans. Anything else is a crime and the jurisdiction of law enforcement. Anything outside the borders of the US is not an attack on the US, even if it is Americans that are the target.

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I believe you are correct.

I believe you are correct. The terrorists do not like our way of life, they mean to destroy us. They never liked us before 9/11, and they don't like us now. I agree with you whoever wins the presidency must be ever vigilant towards them, and not try to talk with rogue terrorist nations..

I don't know...

About any imperative to kill or capture bin Laden poste haste, he has been marginalized for quite a while.  While symbolic, as pulling Saddam out of the spider hole, showing him to be the cowering coward he was, I don't think it's that important.  Plus, the dems would be crowing "game over" (and yes, I chose that word on purpose, they think this is all a big video game...maroons).

As for AlQ, yes, they'll test Obama early and often.  Not so McCain, they remember Carter & Reagan. 

Speaking of rememberances....does anyone remember last summer, when asked a question about a frisky Iran, McCain's reaction:  Bomb, bomb, bomb...bomb, bomb Iran (to the tune of the Beach Boy's Barbara Anne)...don't think for a minute those lunatic Iranians have forgotten it.

Looking back on it, that may have been one of the most effective campaign quips on record, as we all know, hindsight is 20/20. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

"Speaking of

"Speaking of rememberances....does anyone remember last summer, when asked a question about a frisky Iran, McCain's reaction:  Bomb, bomb, bomb...bomb, bomb Iran (to the tune of the Beach Boy's Barbara Anne)...don't think for a minute those lunatic Iranians have forgotten it."

Historical note: McCain actually was singing the parody version, "Bomb Iran," that was written and recorded by Vince Vance and the Valiants in 1979.

McCain must still have his ol' 45 RPM copy.

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

Thanks, Hero!

I didn't know that.

But I believe it was a prescient quip.  And should keep the Iranians bottled up on their own side of the sandbox. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Al-Qaeda

Got burned big time after 9/11--I'm convinced they never expected Bush to react the way he did and with the Dems and the MSM essentially neutral in this battle will not do anything short of the "big one" i.e. a dirty nuke or a mass casualty type biological or chemical attack.  Anything small would only rally the people to the president, whoever it is, and would force said president to react aggressively against them.

I agree.  My impression is

I agree.  My impression is that the AQ leadership made some significant mistakes. 

1.)  THey expected that the US would be loathe to commit ground troops to a fight and would NEVER significantly attack them in Afghanistan.  I think they expected us to launch a batch of Cruise missiles against them which they expected to weather with minor casualites while baskingi n the islamic glory of the post 9/11 attack.

2.)  When we did attack, they expected us to use conventional methods which they expected to defeat in the same manner they did against the SOV's in the 80's.  THey expected their casualties to be higher than previously thought when they only expected a cursory bombing, but they expected the final results to be the same.

3.)  When we dropped in a handful of SF ODA and began to route their forces handily, they decided to drop back into the mountains and out of Kandahar.  THey decided that their mountain sanctuaries would be impregnable.

4.)  Upn being chased into Pakistan and noticing all of the abuse they were taking around the world, and how tough it was becoming to operate, they decided that an urban guerrilla operation would be just the thing to take us on since the mountains of Afghanistan were not helping much.  SO the publicly proclaimed that Iraq was the central front and they pinned their hopes on beating the US forces in the city blocks of Anbar Province.

5.)  In Anbar, they decided that they would re-instill the form of government they supported the Taliban with.  THey would cow the population into support by threats and islamic fascism.  THeystacked bodies of the innocent around them and proclaimed their islamic worthiness.

6.)  That didn't work as well as they expected as the populations of Iraq saw them as much of a threat as they saw in the western forces and have actively begun huntint them.  Even their co-religionists hate them now.

In other words, at every step of the way the AQ leadership has made mistakes which have been explotied.  The last thing we need now is to lessen the pressure on them that the libs will undoubtedly attempt to do.

Terrorist Attack

I believe firmly that Osama Bin Laden is not

alive.   I believe he was killed in Afghanistan

under th heavy bombing.   I believe that Al Queda

is being led by other terrorists using Bin Laden's

name as the villain here.   I wouldn't put it past

Pakistan and Iran for using videos they give to

the news media to keep the lie that Bin Laden is

still alive going.  Even if Bin Laden were still

alive, Al Queda still exists and other terrrorists

will try to attack us again.  Too much focus

on Bin Laden's capture, not enough focus on

what's really happening regarding terror from

Iran.

Merlin

I would have to disagree with you on this one, the CIA and many other government tech guys have confirmed that the Bin Laden tapes are authentic.

Some folks can dish it out, but cannot take it

Merlin.......I have been saying that since..........

the battle of Tora Bora......Tapes of him,,,,ya, right, voice recordings wont convince me. The only way your going to convince me is to see him on video tape, smiling holding an edition of a major newspaper with a recent date on it. The reason we haven't been told he's dead, is that they dont want him to be made a martyr in the arab world, and a recruitment tool.  The guy is DEAD!! 

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

We live in dangerous times

We live in dangerous times where any little problem could loom large.  The big problem is we dont really know who we are fighting as we had definite enemies in teh post WWII years and through the cold war era but now all teh actors wear masks and have no alliegence to any countries.  This makes it hard to protect us and cut the cancer from the patient.

The WOT is ambigues and we as a western society are realizing what the world bordering Isalm has known for years.  Islam cannot be trusted and may need to be culled or transformed, its choice.

President Bush thank God recognized teh evil and acted accordingly to protect teh USA.  Obama will make teh mistake of the first WTC bombing and try teh actors in civil courts and emasculate teh USA.

We live in interesting times taht just happen to be deadly in each mistake.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

And now, today's Shrub

And now, today's Shrub Report®:

Are you having a Night of the Long Knives party tonight? I am dressing as Kurt von Schleicher. Carl Kolchak, who will you be this year? Your Gregor Strasser last year was amazing!

Here's a fun story to start your week out.

Mugabe barely wins scandal-free election. UN will be drafting a sternly-worded letter any day now. As usual, Huffpo is on the case!

OMG! I got a lock of the Messiah's hair!

R.I.P. Windows XP.

Crackwhore rats out pimp for a pizza.

Murder most foul! Abuse most foul! Wow.

It's been a 100 years to the day since the "Tunguska Incident". Obviously the work of Karl Rove and his time machine.

Shocking news of the week: Duke football sucks. Really bad.

I thought only whitey commits hate crimes?

Sure, everybody knows N Korea cannot be trusted for crap, but, hopefully, their people might not starve this year, thanks to Chimpy McHalliburton.

Huh?

Happy 45th birthday, my master

Today's Religion of Peace Update.

France rocks!

The Picture of the Day.

 

And finally, get your Obama Mood Ring!

 

Roger

DOOK SUX !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Not just football

 

“A debate is a conflict which clarifies a position. A dialogue is a conversation which compromises a position.” –John E. Ashbrook, The New Neutralism II, P. 7

Yeah, but they kick butt in lacrosse...

Hahah! I thought of you when I saw that article!

Me too, Rog.

I knew Rick would find that.

Where's my obgligatory Gator story, hmmmm?  We haven't tased anyone lately, bro, so I dunno....although supposedly the "Obama vandals" in Orlando were Gator fans (or maybe not, they may have been the Criminoles  in disguise). 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Here you go, Blondie! Not

Here you go, Blondie!

Not as impressive as DOOOOK, but, I guess it will have to do for now!!! :)

BB Guns for Obama

(Betcha didn't know that's what kind of "gun rights" Obambi supports...BB guns for basketball players). 

Thanks, Rog.

Those sneaky Criminoles.... 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

SNL with Carlin

Hey Rog, did you catch SNL this past Saturday? They went into the vault and showed the very first episode as a tribute to George Carlin.

I'd never seen it before. It was painfully unfunny. Even Carlin seemed off his game, the skits were short and banal. The most interesting part was Billy Preston's performance. Almost amazing that they lasted one full season, let alone 30.

Probably not the best "Carlin Tribute." Still, it was cool to see the germination of what developed into a pretty darn good show.

And Carlin told one joke that was rather timely. "Did you ever watch an old movie and wonder if the people in the crowd scenes were still alive?"

 

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

Missed it, HS. turned it on,

Missed it, HS. turned it on, caught the last 20 seconds of his dialogue, admired his outfit, and then promptly fell asleep during the following commercials!

Ah yes, the suit with a

Ah yes, the suit with a t-shirt underneath. The brass wanted him to wear a suit, he wanted to wear a t-shirt, so they compromised and wore both. 

Carlin wins, 1-0.

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will 

This year's event

"Carl Kolchak, who will you be this year? Your Gregor Strasser last year was amazing! "

 

I won't be dressing as Ernst Rohm that's for sure.  You ought to check out my costume for Nikolai Yezhov who was in charge of the NKVD during the Great Terror.

 

LOL Carl.....Ernst Rohm.........

Ah yes....the "Night of the Long Knives"....the demise of the SA, and Hitlers consolidation of power. 

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

Not sure

I think you have to see who is President, then if the safeguards are removed. The drive by media is silent on the fact that there have been no attacks in the US or on US interests around the world since 9/11 -- A remarkable record in itself.

It may take some time, even if the Comrade Obama Communist party takes over America, for the safeguards to be relaxed. Then it will come. Maybe 2010 if the Communists win.

60 minutes

Did anyone watch the first segment of 60 minute yesterday?

It was about the genocide of Christians in Iraq.  It presented views indicating Saddam's kindness towards christians.

the narrator said that Iraq was tolerant towards christians; that christians were safe in Iraq, UNTIL THE AMERICAN OCCUPATION.  Those exact words, without explanation.

It described how the Bush admin was doing nothing for Christian refugees.

It went on and on about the murders and kidnappings of christians, without one word about who was doing it and why.

Finally, this anti Bush, anti american diatribe ended with the pastor there admitting in one sentence that something "went wrong with Islam", then quickly went on to describe that Christianity had done some terrible things in history.  All religions, he said done bad things.

Always the moral equivalence.  One can see why 60 minutes did a story around this pastor!

Gary Krasner

...yes, because 60 minutes

...yes, because 60 minutes cares so much for Christians, don't they?

thanks to the ACLU - Iraq is still a better place for Christians than the US is...

Conflicted Democrats

After the 9/11 attack, the Dems accused Pres. Bush of not connecting the dots and ignoring intelligence of an impending attack. Now, they are accusing him of "fear-mongering" for reminding us that al Qaeda will attack again, and has in fact repeatedly tried to. If McCain is elected, they'll just make the same accusations they made in 2001; if Obama is elected, they'll find a way to blame it on Bush.

How Not to Be a Professional Journalist

Anyone else catch Seymour Hersh’s latest travesty? He published an article in The New Yorker which basically says that American special units have been infiltrating Iran. He claims that the president received authorization for this under a highly classified Presidential Finding, which was approved by the Gang of Eight (a combined group of senior members of congress from both parties). However, Hersh argues, the Finding was a fraud, because Bush misled the Gang of Eight. The authorization was to use forces to investigate Iran’s nuclear program, but that Bush has been using the authority to bribe dissidents within Iran to launch a wave of violence against the regime. Bush is also using the Finding to cover his tracks while he orders these special units to capture or kill high value targets within Iran. Bush is also creating a set of special units to train and prepare for a war against Iran.

But this article is all standard Hersh reporting. Which means, to be clear, that if you already assume that Bush is acting illegally, that alone explains all of the discrepancies that Hersh claims to present. The problem is that there are other, equally plausible explanations for everything Hersh claims, at least the stuff he doesn’t simply make up. Hersh’s reporting doesn’t offer any proof that would mean anything to someone who’s not already convinced.

Hersh spends the whole article inventing his theory, and quoting people who support his view. He doesn’t quote anyone who doesn’t agree with him. In fact, he dismisses people who have any contrary story. Case in point: CNN did an interview with Hersh, after interviewing Ambassador Crocker from Iraq. CNN asked Crocker if any of this was true, and Crocker said no, very clearly. Hersh’s rebuttal was that they probably didn’t tell Crocker. What’s a patronizing attitude from Hersh, to defend his reporting with the catch-all excuse that whoever disagreed with his slant must simply not know. I’d trust Crocker long before trusting Hersh.

he should be tried for treason

and every other MSM that also covered his story (ABC's GMA talked about his story) should also be tried as co-conspiriters....

Iraq Contracts

Another item that the media is blowing off: Iraq opens up the bids for oil contracts. The key to the story is not who wins the bids, although that could be a good story for the West. The key is that Iraq is in position to start reaping the benefits of its oil. Their profits will be the golden goose that the Kurds, Sunnis, and Shia will go out of their way to protect. That, in turn, will give extra motive to resolve and avoid any internal disputes.

Why isn't this being reported? Perhaps the article supplies a clue:

But any awards to U.S. and British firms are likely to anger opponents of the invasion, who have said the 2003 war was designed to give Western oil companies control over Iraqi oil reserves. U.S. and British officials have denied the charges.

By allowing international firms to help raise output at its major oil fields, the Iraqi government is breaking with the policy of major oil-producing neighbors such as Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates whose national firms keep tight control of foreign investment in their oil sectors.

I've heard very little comment on this story, certainly none from the Democrats or Obama. If you've heard this being discussed, and I simply missed it, please let me know. I'd love to hear their take on this.

Houston expects protesters

Here is an article from the "Houston Chronicle" about Vietnamese living in Houston who are going to protest the Vietnamese Communist leader Nguyen Tan Dung's visit.  I doubt the MSM is going to interview any of these protesters to see why they are protesting against a Communist government.  If the MSM does a story on this, they will probably make the Vietnamese protesters out to be a bunch of hooligans who just aren't smart enough to embrace and love Vietnamese Communism.  Here is a quote from the story.  The State won't like people saying these types of quotes.

 

 "We don't like the communists," said Le, who plans on attending the Bellaire rally. "No human rights, no liberty."

 

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/5854807.html

 

But if you listen to John

But if you listen to John Kerry, everything in Vietnam is JUST DUCKY!!!!

Hopefully, Lieberman is wrong and no attack

is on its way. But rest assured, any attack on the US within the first two to six years of an Obama presidency will be blamed solely on George W. Bush. Actually, an attack could happen under Chelsea Clinton's administration in 2038 and it will still be GWB's fault.

 Amongst themselves,

 Amongst themselves, liberals were thanking their lucky stars Gore was not president on September 11,2001. This feeling lasted for approximately 3 weeks.

That was about all liberals could stand before bitchin' about Bush ("half a president"), bitchin' about the war, bitchin' about the non-existent racial profiling at airports, and bitchin' about "all those damn flag wavers".

 If (when?) Obami is elected president (a sad day indeed) we will be attacked within the year. Here is how it will go down: We get attacked and Obami and his Marxist buddies will immediately blame it on Bush and the Republicans (no mystery there), and while all the finger pointing is going on Obami will treat it as a criminal act not as a war attack. Frankly, at this point I would welcome a complete military take-over of our executive branch to restore the natural order of things, and put most of the animals back in their cages. Including, but not limited to, Obami, Pelosi, Reid et al.

No Win Situation

"This feeling lasted for approximately 3 weeks."

CR, I actually remember journalists whining after 9/11 that Bush wasn't retaliating fast enough.  "What's taking him so long?"  There's no winning with these people.

Obama Opposes Will of the People

"In a letter to the Alice B. Toklas LGBT Democratic Club, Sen. Barack Obama stated his opposition to the California constitutional amendment."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/30/obama-opposes-california_n_109944.html

Did you hear the latest on

Did you hear the latest on this after it blows up and becomes an unpopular postition.  He will say One of my staffer's sent this letter without my authorization.  This seems to be his explanation for all things that dont go his way.  This is one trait that McClain ought to needle hime for.  He seems to have an excuse for all things.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Taking Candy From A Baby

"This is one trait that McClain ought to needle hime for.  He seems to have an excuse for all things."

McCain is being handed this election on a silver platter.  If McCain goofs it up, I'm calling for the heads of the GOP leadership.

Another Clinton pal sentenced

This one's charming....too bad Bill won't have to register with his pal as a sex offender. 

He manages money for the super wealthy and counts among his friends former President Bill Clinton.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

And now it starts

Per Drudge, former Abu Ghraib detainees are filing lawsuits for torture against 4 US contractors.

Didn't take long for the legal slime to ooze on in.

"All generalizations are false, including this one.” Mark Twain

Ig... Yep...thank you

Ig...

Yep...thank you SC.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

When this legal mumbo-jumbo

When this legal mumbo-jumbo is over, I say mobilize the attourneys for the former detainees and have them walk point in Sadr City for a full year.

Videotape every single patrol. 

Then ask them at the end of each "How do you FEEL?????"

Libs

Abu Ghraib inmates sue contractors, claim torture

JDW

Remember the Countrywide Six?

Who forgot to write about the advances in Iraq?

If bin Laden is presumed innocent, why not just shoot him there?

JDW... Glad you put the

JDW...

Glad you put the link here...I was going to after I posted to Ig above.

Just lovely isn't it?

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

Redundant

I did not see the post above mine but had a link.

JDW

Remember the Countrywide Six?

Who forgot to write about the advances in Iraq?

If bin Laden is presumed innocent, why not just shoot him there?

 Dadgumit, if we're gonna

 Dadgumit, if we're gonna get sued for torture let's freakin' do some!

CR... I could not agree

CR...

I could not agree more.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

General Wesley Clark -- 100% crook

I'm really surprised this is not a topic.   Retired General Wesley Clark was on one of the Sunday AM interview shows yesterday where, among other things, he said he is "working" on getting Rush Limbaugh totally off of Armed Forces Radio.  Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the libs already have Limbaugh cut back to just one hour a day on the network.  I can't find anywhere to post this but I think it so important it needs to be told so I'll post it here.  Is ANYONE reading this??

For those who have delved into Clark's background, it is obvious to the most uninformed person Clark was moved to the top of the list by Clinton only for the reason he was a "yes man" and far left.  Clinton needed some Generals to do his bidding in the military.  Most who were already generals all despised Clinton.  Some retired early rather than report to Clinton. 

So Clinton hand picked about a half dozen far below the rank of general and, for no reason other than "I can" made them generals (or admirals if in the Navy).   They all became highly visible and at the front of the line whenever congress needed a general or admiral to testify before congress whenever the dems wanted to do a "show trial" on whatever Bush was up to at any point in time.

Fortunately, the military parked them all in places where they could do no harm.   Unfortunately, they parked Clark in Bosnia/Kosovo when it was still just diplomats talking gibberish (while Islamist terrorists slaughtered Slavs (several hundred thousand).   When the (yes they were corrupt too) government in Belgrade decided to step in before it turned to complete genocide Clinton began dropping bombs on Belgrade and killing thousands of Slavs (both sides were guilty of genocide).   All of a sudden Clark who was supposed to be parked doing nothing except when Clinton needed a general to testify before congress, was commander of allied forces in the Kosovo.  Clark's dumb orders cost the lives of many including many U.S. soldiers. His most infamous (but covered up) order was to drop a small nuke on the Slavs.   By the time those in the chain of command questioned the order saying "is this correct?" word had reached the DOD and the order was overridden. 

Before he retired, this dangerous loose cannon was "busy" at a desk job at the DOD and was there on 9/11/2001 which he loves to talk about how he was THIS close to death and a true patriot for just being there (opposite end of the building - heard about it an hour after it happened).

Clark is a grade A crook.  Since retiring, he has started a dozen plus consulting, manufacturing and other money sinks that do or did little more than write money proposals for DOD money grants that seemed to always be approved and the money always just disappeared.  None of his proposals for grants (mostly) or non-recourse loans were declined.  Clark obviously has other Clintonites in the DOD high enough up that their red APPROVED stamp is the final word.   Millions of dollars flowed and still flow to his sham corporations.  He is still at it. 

One was Wavecrest Labs in Michigan. www.wavecrestlabs.com.  They went thru bankruptcy a few years ago and Clark was long gone well before the curtain fell. Last year, they came up with a $10 mil in new government money (a no strings grant) thanks to the far left House representative for that district "to put people back to work" and are back to putting out press releases but producing little of any value.   The current Web site is a site (sight) to behold. Soooo exciting.   NOTHING will come of it.  If Clark is involved again, I can't find it in SEC filings.  But there were a dozen crooks in the first WCL so it's probably one of the others who jumped ship and hid out for a few years.  

But to see WCL when Clark was involved you have to use www.archive.org to bring up old versions of the site.   www.archive.org is such a GREAT research tool for those who want to delve into the past.  Go back in time and you'll see Clark as the Chairman.   They shut down in two(!!) days after their first shipment of one thousand "single soldier armored fast movement battle vehicle" or something like that ALL failed (individual cost about $6,000) when tested by the DOD.  

The first shipment went to the DOD and had a 100% failure rate.  By then, Clark had been gone for six months and had been busy wiping all traces of his connection to WCL but he couldn't get it all erased.   Their armored vehicle one man troop carrier product turned out to be $20 Chinese-made bicycles with electric motors made by WCL to power them.   These were supposed to be motors with a new technology.  The same "technology" you'll read about on the current Web site. Very vague but the hyperbole rating five stars with any PR writer!   A fully loaded soldier ready for battle flattened most of the tires.  Those that didn't reached a top speed of 2 MPH.  Pieces fell off in the first 100 feet.   The 24 million the DOD had advanced WCL just disappeared.  Upon the 100% failure rate WCL was bankrupt and the doors locked within days.   A scam if there ever was one. 

While he was Chairman, Clark's salary was almost seven figures and he received a multi-million dollar severance pay package when he decided to "get out of Dodge" before the first product shipped.  

How do I know so much about this? Last year I suddenly had a new boss who had a glowing bio.  After a few months his ineptitude clearly signaled something was "rotten in Denmark".   I'm pretty good at digging thru the Internet and even hacking (but NEVER for the black hats).   I quickly found that, yes, he had been president of a "major cutting edge technology company" (that's all we were told).  He had been president of WCL and also exited well before WCL imploded.  He was the #2 man to Clark.   NO investigation has ever been called for on the WCL  debacle.   My ex-boss probably also walked away with a few million. 

Using www.archive.org and other sources I discovered he and Clark had been involved in a "bust out" of a small division of Hawk Motors (making motors) in STL to the tune of $6 mil a few years earlier.  In that case, Hawk Motor corporate did file charges but they were dropped for lack of evidence. My ex-boss had thoroughly covered his tracks and especially covered the tracks of the MIL programs Clark had sent to Hawk Motors where the money just disappeared.  Accounting records were GONE so Hawk had to give up and write off $6 mil.     They met again at WCL shooting for bigger $$.   And they scored big time it appears. 

Unfortunately for me, my new boss found an e-mail on my office pc with info on it about WCL, Clark and Hawk Motors.   I was careless.   I was high up in the company but summarily fired by the personnel manager.  My boss refused to see or talk to me.  I still fear for myself and my family.   In all of my "research" I"ve come across a half dozen people connected to Clark who went "missing" and are still "missing".   

Since then, I've found another half dozen "bust outs" and shell corporations Clark has or had set up to siphon $$ from the DOD .  As I say, he apparently has a Clintonite in the vendor approval area of the DOD high enough up that his "APPROVED" stamp is not questioned.  I"ve counted $37 milliion thus far in "grants" to Clark companies that never did anything to speak of and, each time, he was out with tracks covered before the implosion occurred.    

We are getting a president Obama who is a world class speaker but couldn't teach high school civics or government who will do the bidding for George Soros but it could have even been worse.   We could have had a president Clark!   An out and out high level big $$ crook from head to toe.  He would have sold the country to the highest bidder (learn to speak Arabic or Chinese FAST!).    

Based on where I'm posting this, did anyone read this?  I'd like to nail Clark.  I doubt if I will but I hope someone with greater access to government records does.   He cost American lives in Kosovo and is busy stealing millions from the DOD (your tax money).  

 

wOt... I've read it..as I

wOt...

I've read it..as I do all of the posts of yours I have seen...I for one thank you for all this information, more than anything I worry for you and yours also.

I absolutely have to leave for now...will be back later though...

thank you so much once again for all this.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

w0tm........I heard about Clarks weekend.....

interview this morning.  I agree, he is a real piece of work.  You obviously have a better grasp on it than I do.  You have a lot of material, and I know what it is like to expose corruption.  I'm currently involved with exposing some corrupt cops, several Captains, and a Deputy Chief, out here.  I know what death threats are all about, and I feel for you.  Stay safe......always check your back, thats what I have to do.

P.S.....always make sure you have "insurance", you know what I mean. 

"If a man does his best, what else is there"?

General George S. Patton Jr.

DNC Protests

DNC Protestors will be behind fences.  Gee, I thought everything was peace, love and harmony with Obama guiding the way.  Why would anyone want to cause trouble in the presence of the messiah?

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_9744092

Has this been covered here

Has this been covered here already? If not, did anyone else see that San Francisco is considering, naming after George W. Bush, a sewage plant? If true, isn't this clever? Isn't this dignified? Isn't this mature? Isn't this the kind of hi-jinks in which a local government should be engaging? Perhaps in a "so's your old man" move, a city in a red state could name a local women's shelter or a lie detector after Bill Clinton...

Chris I guess its gotta be

Chris I guess its gotta be named something, besides sewage treatment is a noble job.  I have a background in Civil Engineering with a specialty in Water and Wastewater infrastructure.  It takes a lot of science and lots of knowlege to properly run a treatment plant.  But, no matter what you do the bugs in the sewage will still stink up the place.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Dan, I think, due to your

Dan, I think, due to your technical background, you're pointing out a truth that none of these punks would ever think of. The radicals in SF think they are clever and that this is funny. If this is true, the Al Franken smart-ass attitude has taken root now in local government.

Dan... Yep, don't Sewage

Dan...

Yep, don't Sewage Plants take crap all day and turn it into something useful?

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

Jack...

Isn't that how they make liberals? If so, the term "useful" is out of line!

45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm

Dang Ct... You beat me to

Dang Ct...

You beat me to it..I'm not kidding!

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

bt... Well, I have been

bt...

Well, I have been working on my quick draw.

Ahhhh, great minds think alike!

45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm

Ct...did you hear McCain's

Ct...did you hear McCain's response today about Clark?

I just wondered...I put a link below from Dollard's site...it was so typical.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

bt... I went to your link

bt...

I went to your link and watched the whole vid because I had only caught snippets during the day today. So thanks for the link.

Ok, here's my reaction... Yaaaaaawn! I almost nodded off during his 15 second response. This would have been a perfect segment for someone like Fred Thompson to respond to. It would have gone something like this... "and to my dear friend retired General Clark I say kiss my as*!"

 

 

45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm

How can so many people be

How can so many people be so dumb?  Don't they have lives and families and jobs and other things to think about?

I think SF has driven out

I think SF has driven out any and all who may be intelligent and mature - leaving only the dumb, the radical, the immature, and the high-strung. In the process, they have turned SF from a city into a theme park...

Front Page WP

WP- But on the Internet, in his grocery store, at his neighbor's house, at his son's auto shop, Peterman has also absorbed another version of the Democratic candidate's background, one that is entirely false: Barack Obama, born in Africa, is a possibly gay Muslim racist who refuses to recite the Pledge of Allegiance.

The article is based upon the premise that enough false rumors, word of mouth and internet, can eventually lead to credibility issues. Instead of blaming Obama for his personal problems, the story creates liability elsewhere. Obama is always innocent.

WP- Does he trust a local newspaper article that details Obama's Christian faith? Or his friend Leroy Pollard, a devoted family man so convinced Obama is a radical Muslim that he threatened to stop talking to his daughter when he heard she might vote for him?

What about the American flag pin? What about ACORN? The drug days? The 2nd Amendment? Playing the race card... ?

JDW

Remember the Countrywide Six?

Who forgot to write about the advances in Iraq?

If bin Laden is presumed innocent, why not just shoot him there?

McCain's response to Clark/Obama

Well, I just wanted to post the response McCain gave today to Clark (Obama/Soros surrogate)...this is Pat Dollard's site so if offensive language bothers you..some of the comments, which are only a few have some language you may be offended by.

As far as I am concerned, when I heard it this morning, it was like one poster said..."Hit Me with a Pillow" or somesuch.

<edit> LOL...guess it would help if I put the link in...glad no one noticed. 

 

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

What happened to the Tim Graham thread on BOR show?

Where is the thread and posts for the segment with Tim Graham on BOR/Kasich tonight?

Inquiring minds want to to know?

I was going to comment a bit after viewing it.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

Just back from the weekend---

Just back from the weekend---so I haven't read the whole thread. I jumped to add a comment because I need you all to know that I consider Obama's candidacy a terrorist attack!!!!!

misterb

Good way to put it misterb....I couldn't agree more.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

The lake was peaceful---

No news--no blogging, (no internet at cabin).  I watched sitcoms and movies when not outdoors or reading. Did not see Obama or McC's faces for 3 days. Everybody should take a break now and then.

I dreamed that a new virus started infecting everybody who is liberal. They staggered through the streets, arms outstretched, eyes glazed saying--"No drilling, no time , nowhere, no independence."

Yeah, independence is over

Yeah, independence is over rated. Take---me---to---your---leader!

45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm

Check this $hit out

Here is what Dems do in their free time

 http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3128703/

 

"Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference.
The MARINES don't have that problem."
President Ronald Reagan - 1985

Gasp! they mentioned the "D"

Gasp! they mentioned the "D" word!

Shrub, I was as blown

Shrub,

I was as blown away as you,

Do you think you would have heard about this if they were members of the young Repulicans?

"Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference.
The MARINES don't have that problem."
President Ronald Reagan - 1985

Sorry to let this thread die

I've been away and it looks like this thread died.  So sorry.  It is important.  Thanks for caring about my safety.   I didn't write one percent of what I know about General Wesley Clark.   There ARE reasons why those of the far left have been getting filthy rich during Bush's term as they so skillfully invented false evil straw men then preach/write/sell/advise and so on as the millions of dollars pile up from those who follow them as they would the Pied Piper of story book classics.  "Global Warming", "Evil Capitalism" and son.  

Just observe the increse in the net worth of the Clintons, Al Gore, Wesley Clark and pretty much anyone else from the Clinton days in seven short years!   This has been days of milk honey for all of them.  What I know would be ignored just as it has been ignored when those of note wrote or spoke into a vacuum. 

Should a complete takeover occur here it's a known fact in history proven over and over again that "THE demagogue" dispatches those who were closest to him during their years of struggle.   Why?  That sounds odd.   You should dispatch your enemies first when you acquire absolute power it seems.   Wrong.   You don't YET have absolute power.  The idealists (be they dozens or thousands) who gave everything during the "long struggle" and that includes the lives of many are going to be totally shocked and outraged when they see their "dear leader" raiding the treasury, buying $2,000 sunglasses on 5th Avenue, and just being your standard issue evil despot.   He has to first shoot or otherwise dispatch those closest to him who are still the pure idealogues.   If not, they will turn on him in a second.    He has but a few short days.   Witness the mock trials and quick executions of literally hundreds closest to Stalin, Castro, Mao Tse Tung and pretty much every other absolute dictator in history and in power today.    They worry little about those who spoke the truth and tried to warn the people of the pure evil they were letting take over their lives.  But no one listened or believed the warnings.   It is now too late.

After a take over occurs, what will they do now?  What can they do?  Absolutely nothing.  They are of no threat to someone who has finally achieved absolute power.  But those who believed in " the cause" should fear for their lives.   When they suddenly see the real truth they will attempt to turn on their leader.  He knows that and acts first.   THEN he has attained absolute power.