With no evidence of any kind - let alone any proof - you suggest this was done by pro-Obama supporters?  The news report you cited states that Sen. Obama's name was not always spelled correctly.  IF this were done by one or more of his supporters - and I believe that is very silly idea - it would not make any sense to not get the correct spelling of his name.  Wouldn't that pretty much take the point out of it?

 In my personal opinion your comment says far more about you than it does about the topic.

This election could easily lead one to believe in all the Trilateralist, Freemason, Illuminati, Bildeberger conspiracies.  No other Republcan candidate could exude less optimism and vision than Juan McAnus.

Handsome Stranger -vs- Casper the Ghost

One of is a real Democrat while the other just plays one on TV.

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...and plugs in.

Power grids will be blowing out all across the country.

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

We had another "energy crisis" back then, and people panicked and got rid of their older cars for newer, smaller, lighter, and more fuel-efficient cars. 

Trouble is, if you got into an accident in one of those crappy little things (even with a vehicle of similar weight) you were as good as dead or at least seriously injured. 

 I recall that later (1980s) the radical environmental left and their well-meaning but empty-headed liberal friends in comsumer groups started a movement to "ban" (of course) all large and heavy vehicles because these did a number on the smaller vehicles in a collision. It was "for the children", and it was to even the playing field as liberals like to do: either both drivers live or both die, but no-fair that the person driving the larger vehicle is better protected, especially if the person driving the smaller car is a minority.  Makes sense, huh?

So now, once again, they want us to all drive little tin boxes on roller skates with electric motors or hybrid vehicles, all in the name of solving the gas price crisis and saving the planet by reducing "greenhouse gas emissions". (which, of course, is baloney sliced really thick)

Sorry, but I'll keep my truck with some modicum of protection.  If I get hit by a drunk driver, hopefully that driver will die and not me.

has alot of merit.

I thought it was funny. 

Speaking of Obama, here's a little story about the suck-up and Clinton double-crosser, Bill Richardson in Palm Beach, home of the butterfly ballot (hey, at least he's not shilling for Obama here in Broward county).

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

To paraphrase a famous movie,

 "If Obama were here, he'd power all those electric cars with lightning bolts from his arse."

Obama doesn't think we can drill our way out of this, but he thinks we can "mandate" our way out of it.

He says drilling more won't show results for five years.

But apparently the higher CAFE standards that he proposes instead will show results next week.

Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out! - Marge Simpson

I agree with you, this is great news........ To me, this means they (those smarter than I) can also come up with "affordable" technology to convert my SUV/cars into hybrids...  This would help ease the gasoline demands and help those of us who can't run out and buy a new car!

Shawn, with all due respect, the sooner we "wean" ourselves off silly lib cliches like "wean ourselves off gas (or foreign oil)" the better. This is complete nonsense.

There is NO substitute for petroleum. None of the other feel-good "fantasy fuels" come close to the bang-for-the-buck we get with oil.  We have several hundred years of supply, and  we need to use it.

Do you really believe that these "alternate fuels" are going to be any more economical than $4+ per gallon gasoline?  You can see the mess that just producing ethanol has created.

We have our own oil resources, but, because of political pressure from the unwashed, anti-captialist, misinformed special interest groups, outright low-grade morons, and the weak, vacillating politicians who listen to these nut-bags we are probably the only couunty in the world who has the very resource it needs but isn't allowed to develop it without a note from the Nanny-state!

And let's forget this crap about putting all of that CO2 into the atmosphere.  The entire CO2, global warming-climate change, greenhouse gas BS is the biggest and best lie ever told.  The people who are are propaganting this trash should be tried for fraud, starting with Algore and the Sierra Club.

Drill here, drill now, drill until it's gone.

I can't find anything that substantiates the claims this fellow you've linked makes.  Nor is his web page properly footnoted with sources.

This is what's out there about the Kuparuk field. It turned up in the first page of results.

There is even less about any "Gull Island" field.  Almost all of the links I followed on this lead to the same source, this fellow you've linked, Lindsey Williams.  In ten pages of results there was not one link to a petrogeology report or to an authoritative source about the "oil field"  of any kind whatsoever.  This is most unusual.  My incliniation is to believe this is just another donkey ride, a scam.

In the same way that Erin Brockovitch didn't want her electricity to come from so close to home, and Teddy does't want windmills within a hundred miles of his boat launch, the liberals are content with having Mexico generate their power and China drill their oil.

Bill Clinton's practice of handing terrorists over to the Egyptians for "interrogation" perfectly describes th mindset of the liberals.

Then again, Sgt Shultz from Hogan's Heroes may say it better "I see NOTHING"

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You're ruining the story!!

THERE IS MORE CO2 EMITTED EVERY YEAR IN AMERICA FROM OUR BOVINE POPULATION THEN FROM OUR AUTOMOBILES.

Neither fossil fuels nor CO2 are the enemies of mankind...mankind is the enemy of mankind.  

The winning run was an error - that is, one of the fielders dropped the ball on the fly and it was able to bring a runner in.

An "earned run" refers to the pitcher's efficiency, and is not a good thing.

You could walk 5 consecutive batters, and that forces a "run across the plate.

The no hitter thing could mean you waked a guy and he stole second.  A fly ball is dropped in the outfield by the right fielder, and the base runner takes off running and makes it home.

You've still got your no-hitter, because the ump has ruled the dropped ball was an error by the outfielder and not the fault of the pitcher.

You have a no-hitter, but the score is 1-0 for the other team.

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Shawn,

Sheesh, you're a Bay Area person, and you're bringing up a SoCal game when something virtually similar happened down the road from you in Oakland last night?

To recap, A's pitchers give up two hits, and no earned runs, but lost 1-0 because of an error in the fourth. :-( ns

Only you could come up with this. Thanks I needed a good laugh, dang near busted a gut just trying to visualize it.

During this time with political correctness at its zenith, I reserve the right to let you know you're an idiot.

The other option:  War.  In 1941, the Japanese tried to use war to gain control of sufficient oil to fuel its economy.  This is where these Democrats will go to maintain their power.

Most electric power generating utilities don't burn oil to turn their generators. In fact less than 2% do. Chart >>

Coal makes up about half of the fuel used and natural gas, nuclear, and hydro-electric make up most of the rest. 

Of all of the fuels we use, only oil needs to be supplemented with imports from other nations.  The rest we have in abundance right here at home.

So, if you have an electric car charged from the electrical grid, (rather than an on-board gasoline engine) it is likely that the fuel used to charge it is not oil.  

We only care about oil, because oil ties us to people we don't like. 

Currently 98 percent of all vehicular fuels are made from oil and there is no reason to continue doing that since we have the technology to produce, and currently do produce non-oil fuels.

And even though electricity transmission is not as efficient as it could be, it is still cheaper as a motor fuel than oil based fuels. 

Chart Source: EPA

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Sen. John McCain (2003):
"...I am proud to say that I was born in your country.&

I'm surprised that you're surprised. I thought this was about all electric cars:

Yes, a Toyota "plug-in hybrid" is mentioned, as well as Mercedes that don't need "petrol or diesel." I didn't check that link, but that doesn't sound like a hybrid. Either way, it's clear that the conversation has centered on the all-electric vehicle. Hybrids are so 2003, lol.

In any event, we've seen a reduced demand for oil already. I've heard statistics claiming that gas usage is down around 3% over last year. It doesn't seem to be affecting oil prices, though. I'll grant that a long-term switch to electric would eventually cause much greater demand reduction, but no sooner than drilling would.

Also, I daresay some of us remember the "promise" of electric vehicles going back 20 years and more. It's almost invariably been oversold and under-delivered. So we're skeptical, to say the least.

In addition, while electric cars would reduce our dependence on oil, it is by no means a total replacement for petroleum. Lubricants, hydraulic fluid and plastics are a few other uses that come to mind. Heavy equipment and OTR trucks are a couple more. Oil will be with us a long time, no matter what. And having our own will make us more secure against the world market, and make us less beholden to the most unstable area in the modern world.

There's really no good reason not to use our own natural resources, and the whole concept of powering autos was almost guaranteed to bleed into the drill/don't drill debate.

IMHO, at any rate.

IJ

Noel,

The problem is mobility. 

The internal combustion engine makes use of a fuel item it does not need to carry around with it:  Oxygen.  It draws this from the surrounding atmosphere. One of the products of combustion is CO2.  Nominally, this molecule is 12 parts carbon and 32 parts oxygen.  Not exact, I know, but close enough for this discussion.  A typical molecule in gasoline is octane, a straight alkane with 8 carbon atoms.  C8H16.  Nominally, this is 96 parts carbon and 16 parts hydrogen by mass.  Complete combustion of octane produces 4x CO2 and 8xH2O using 8xO2 with mass 128.  114 < 128, which means the weight of fuel carried by the vehicle is less than half of the actual fuel used.

A battery has no such advantage.   All battery chemistry, regardless of type, lead-acid, nickel metal hydride, litium ion, etc.  must carry its entire entire chemistry around with it.  Moreover, they cannot discharge the products of their chemistry after it is iused.  they must continue to carry the spent mass around after its energy value has been expended.

Efficiency is another concern.  There is no battery chemistry I am familiar with that will release as much energy per unit mass as combustion will.  The discrepancy is large.

The only electric technology that I see on the horizon that has any hope of competing with internal combustion are fuel cells.  There are two competing technologies, hydrogen and alcohol.  Both, like internal combustion can make use of atmospheric oxygen and they both exhaust the spent fuel components afterwards.  Hydrogen is the cleaner of the two, but handling the fuel is problematic.  Alcohol is less clean, but the fuel can be handled just as gasoline is.

Does this help you understand why electric cars just aren't a solution at the present time?

I have it on good authoity that the Oil Companies have quietly killed a fully wind-powered automobile. *astards.

As for the electric plane. Don't get me started.

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

In regards to combustion engineering, in the 60's .. man on the moon! The absolute paragon of man's space travel ..THAT will never happen again. man leaving earth orbit ..;-( no Mars, etc.

The fastest man has ever traveled , returning from the moon over 24,000 mph.

Cheap tickets on the concorde..

Additionally in the 60's atomic power planets were built, efficiencies equal to today atomic systems. Atomic power planets evil

( as if a permit could be given, NOT)

..Ahh the 60's fastest jet... SR71..

The goodnews is that electronics is still advancing.. just maybe a new battery will appear...unlikely.. Hopefuly a new capacitor will pass up batteries.. electrons/ unit volume.. is the key.

Sorrie no Mc Cain funding it's a capacitor, not a BATTERY!!

Hoping, hoping heres a hard chunk of data..

The tesla car.. a fast charger option.. 240 KW..unit.

My home has a 200 amp service... that's 48KW.

Every electric car will suck up 20-50 KW...

Build an atomic power plant in your neck of the woods.. with wires over the road like the old trolly cars.. feeding power to the cars.

That is the ONLY thing that will beat out evil OIL. Nukclear powwer!!!

WON'T HAPPEN EVER!

Noel, it's oratory over logic now.. catch up & believe ..wind mills blowing on your mind, whhhhhwwhhhhhwwhhhhwhwhhh...yes it feels good.. it shall work.. "yes we can"....

repeat.. as needed..dreamland over logic..

Liberals62%

IranianUranium

RD..

Yeah... I mentioned that the other night first time I saw the ad...no one noticed I guess.

I think it is great...hope he is making some $$$.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson