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Despite the praise and smiles between the two, some in the crowd still sensed a space between them. Their embraces were slightly awkward, and Clinton stood with her hands clasped formally in front of her as Obama spoke. Eileen Quill, a 64-year-old retired teacher from nearby Sunapee who had supported Clinton, said: "I think she's usually a wonderful public speaker, and so is he, but she looked a little stiff and the whole thing wasn't entirely comfortable."

Will this staged event in Unity unify the Dems? Did it help to mend fences or fail badly by publicly demonstrating the chasm?

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  I imagine that hillary is

  I imagine that hillary is still in shell shocked disbelief.  This election was hers to lose.... and lose she did.  How?  She had all the advantages, money, experience, 'bill', name recognition, party support, Republicans on the defensive, and no serious primary rivals.  She started at the top and worked her way to the bottom and when she got there she started digging.  It will be interesting to see if she will now accept being just a senator instead of a 'senator-while-waiting-to-become-president'.

Its all done with mirrors

People cannot take hype and rallies to the gas pump or to the supermarket. Except for die-hard Democrats, many around the country will see through this charade and choose a more experienced, more solid candidate to be the next president. As for promises of "change" and "unity", these have all come and gone before in US politics, without results, so except for young, naive voters, this will not have much impact.

McCain offers more hope because he has been more centralist on most issues, but more to the right on issues that have to do with personal and national security.

 

Black pepper

Some of you saw me griping about the price I paid for black pepper a few weeks ago. 2 updates. First, we're now growing it in a few pots, and it looks like it's going to be an easy plant to propagate because it's a relatively hardy vine. Second, I found a cheap online source -- nutsonline.com has it for about $6/lb.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

sarc

For a real treat, try green peppercorns...at your local Chinese Market.

Not hot....sweet and tangy, yum.  I've become addicted, & I'm not a pepper fan! 

<edit>  Great link...I've bookmarked.  Macadamia's! 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Yeah, I like those too

That's one of the reasons I'm still happy we're growing it even though I finally found a cheap online source. Another good and CHEAP product at nutsonline is their ground cinnamon, which -- like pepper -- has excellent health benefits IMO. It's good in coffee, on cereal, plain yogurt, etc. because cinnamon tends to stretch sugar's taste.

I'm stuffing myself with them now, but in the next week or so we'll have no more lychees left. :( Soon, the mangos will start, which will be great, but for me nothing's quite like eating fresh lychees. My Dad & I spread about a ton or so of horse manure around to his various trees this AM before it got too hot, so now I'm feeling totally beat.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Lychees....

Rat fink!  <edit...oops, forgot about Matt's no name-calling edict>

My key lime bush is about 5' tall now....and has lots of limes!  Had a bad bout of scale (Organocide worked like a charm....I use malathion on my orchids, but you can't use that on edibles) but the little bush is trying to grow into a tree.  Mangos are about ready to drop, here.  

I love this time of year....August is a different story, tho. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

I tell you...

They need to genetically engineer a lychee that bears fruit the size of cantaloupes from April to September instead of these June-only golf ball size things, but that's my fantasy. We're airlayering a lot of the "hak yip" variety that's no bigger than a golf ball just like the others, but at least it has a tiny seed.

This year, I have yet to get around to pickling any lychees in light rum, but that may become this afternoon's project. The result is somewhat disappointing pickled lychees (which taste too much like the rum) and some truly glorious rum (which tastes like lychees!). They're really good frozen.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

sarc, nutsonline?

LOL-Sorry, that just struck me as funny.

And let us know how the plants do, as I am pretty fond of fresh-ground (I never, EVER buy the pre-ground stuff) black pepper myself.

Fortunately, I have a pretty reasonably-priced supply of whole ones close by, but I have noticed the price of those precious peppercorns inching up somewhat lately.

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

OMG.... They're Both Doing

OMG.... They're Both Doing It Now!

The pair of them make me sick.

I don't think the Democrats need "unifying."

I have said all along that whoever the Democrat candidate is, no matter how angry they were, they will all revert to the pack.

 

Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out! - Marge Simpson

FDR's Socialist Legacy: The First Hundred Days

FDR created more problems than he solved.

THE "HUNDRED DAYS" ENDED 75 YEARS AGO THIS
month, and the results remain all too much with us. The legislative
festival began March 4, 1933, as Franklin D. Roosevelt took the oath of
office as president. One hundred days later, the United States of
America and its government were much more like the country and
institution we know today.

Appropriately enough, the first act
of the Hundred Days was an executive order that went beyond the
president's constitutionally enumerated powers. Roosevelt ordered every
bank in the country to take a "holiday." He shut the banks so that
people couldn't swamp the banking system with fear-driven withdrawals,
as they had been doing just before his inauguration.

He had told the American people, "The
only thing we have to fear is fear itself," which wasn't exactly true.
The thing to fear in the banking system was size: Small banks were
dangerous; banks limited to a small geographic area were dangerous;
banks with no access to cash infusions from the Federal Reserve were
dangerous. On the last point, the Federal Reserve itself had made
matters worse by shrinking the money supply.

Canada, with a smaller number of
commercial banks doing business in all the provinces, experienced most
of the same problems of the U.S. during the Great Depression -- but no
bank failures.

Gold in Chains

An Emergency Banking Act
retroactively legalized the bank holiday a few days later. Another
executive order issued a little later was even more startling and
questionable: On April 5, Americans were ordered to surrender all gold
coins, gold bullion and gold-backed paper money by May 1, or face as
much as 10 years in prison. The retroactive authorization for this
wasn't enacted until January 1934, when the president also received the
power to set the price of gold.

It's not clear what Roosevelt was
trying to do in this case, as in many others where his policy was to
have no policy, but to keep on trying new ideas and hoping for results.
He may have been influenced by an aberrant economist named George F.
Warren, who believed that the price of gold controlled the price of
commodities. A higher price for gold might create prosperity for
farmers by raising the price of produce. In pursuit of this nonsense,
Roosevelt deprived markets of an important touchstone for his policies.
If gold was worth whatever he said it was, then U.S. money was, too.  More >>

Source: Barrons

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Lets fix the Supreme Court for good!

Communist vs. Statist '08

This morning AOL News

This morning AOL News mentioned Carolyn Kennedy Schlossberg was showing an increased political visibility especially as part of Obama's VP selection group.  If she was selected to fill the slot it would bring gravitas to the ticket.

"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"

Caroline Kennedy

Has about as much experience as Obambi.

Gravitas?  

Her poor mother must be spinning in her grave.  Jackie O would not approve.

What can these people possibly be thinking?  Seriously, I just don't get it at all.   

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Actually Blonde these

Actually Blonde these things are relative, compared to Obama she must have some.

"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"

How Convenient

MSNBC breaks into John McCain's speech today just in time to cover a couple of Code Pink hecklers. The timing was just too perfect. I suspect MSNBC coordinated with Code Pink as to when the heckling would occur, and "broke in" at just the right time. As soon as the hecklers were escorted out, MSNBC resumed their regular coverage.

Yes, I'm questioning the timing.

The Sacred Heart of Barack Obama

Religiosity Without Religion

After John Kerry lost
in 2004, the Democrats began to re-think their loud secularism. The
separation of politically handy religious rhetoric from winning had
left them chastened. Suddenly secularist liberals were upbraiding Kerry
for bobbling moral and religious issues.

Nancy Pelosi, stricken
by the poll data, took a stab at criticizing Kerry along these lines:
"Democrats did not connect well enough with the American people.
Certainly Democrats are faith-filled. Certainly we love our country,
and we're very patriotic, but somehow or other that did not come across
when 61% of those who are regular churchgoers voted Republican -- voted
for President Bush, and when 22% of Americans gave its highest number
to what determined their vote to issues relating to morality, more than
the economy, more than terrorism."

Henceforth, the Democrats
would maintain the same old secularism, but shoehorn it into religious
packaging. Now they have an ideal candidate in Barack Obama. Unlike
John Kerry, whose respect for religion extended to calling defrocked
Haitian strongman Aristide "Father," Obama has perfected this con job.

It is often on display in his oh-so-thoughtful, post-partisan musings
about the "connection between religion and politics." Sort through all
the sophistries and quasi-religious uplift, however, and the only
connection that emerges is strategic: How can Democrats use the
language of religion to win, then solidify the gains of secularism?
Religion in public life, under Obama's thinking, exists not to purify
the party's extreme secularism but to advance it... More >>

Source: The American Spectator 

Note to Firefox browser users: Ignore Google's "attack site" warning popup, it's bogus.

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Lets fix the Supreme Court for good!

Communist vs. Statist '08

I found it interesting that

I found it interesting that Hillary addressed those who would either support McCain, or stay home. She invited them to "re-think" their decision. If she "endorsed" or asked them to "support" Obama, I must have missed it.

God and Science

I came across this and thought that it might interest some of the folks here.

The John Templeton Foundation has hosted a conversation titled "Does science make belief in God obsolete?" A number of scientists and scholars have responded with a variety of different views. Their (somewhat short) responses are posted here:

www.templeton.org/belief/

 

hDM, Science is only possible because of Christianity

Dinesh D' Souza book " What's So Great About Christianity" is a great read.

John Templeton Foundation, Funds some of the MRC.

Liberals62%


IranianUranium

thanks hydro

i've bookmarked it looks like a lot of different viewpoints

Yes, you are even more annoying than Blonde.  the EYE    

Not much of a crowd

Today's Washington Post has a picture of the unity "rally" on the front page--I tell you what, considering this was a meeting of the Messiah and the smartest woman in the world there sure was a whole lot of green grass visible.

Too funny! (or sad)

This is just too good to miss......

http://taxingtenness...

Quite right, Greg

And the really sad thing is, these people can vote! 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Oh absolutely. Funny you

Oh absolutely. Funny you mention that. Everytime I hear someone say something so blatantly stupid, my mind goes directly to "and to think this person is allowed to vote for leaders of the United States of America."

Sheesh. I don't even know

Sheesh.

I don't even know what else to say about that.

Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out! - Marge Simpson

OMG!

An example of the total cluelessness of some people.

Too many people. And, in my experience, they don't want a clue, they "don't pay attention to politics."

But they vote. Scary.

Appearances Can Be Deceiving

Why does a truly unified party need a unity rally?

JDW

Remember the Countrywide Six?

Who forgot to write about the advances in Iraq?

If bin Laden is presumed innocent, why not just shoot him there?

McCain Endorsement

McCain's ex-captor endorses him

JDW

 

Remember the Countrywide Six?

Who forgot to write about the advances in Iraq?

If bin Laden is presumed innocent, why not just shoot him over there?

A Quickie Shrub Report...

The Shot Heard Round the World happened today 94 years ago. 

More "unintended consequences" of Liberalism. Thanks, comrades!

The Picture of the Day.

Restaurants are feeling the crunch in this recession, er, economic slowdown. The reasons listed: gas prices, food prices, less demand from broke consumers. No minimum wage mentioned at all.

"When he got the loan three years ago, it was an adjustable rate mortgage and they knew that and they were told it might go up," Ms. England said. "But they were also told it might go down. And they expected [any change] would be within a few percentage points." ACORN strikes again!

George Bush sends rodents to kill Americans.

Don't you know who I am!?!?!?!

Re the ACORN

Re the ACORN rally:

Despite the Abbotts' failure to find a solution yesterday, Ms. England
called the protest a success because it helped spread awareness of the
problem -- and the work toward a solution.

And the work toward a solution? I don't think so.

But they don't care...it's all about "awareness."

Maybe Mr. Abbott should have invested in a little "awareness" of what can happen with an ARM....

Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out! - Marge Simpson

Rog

Rog,

I thought this was the shot heard 'round the world. ns

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George Bush sends rodents to kill Americans.  

Very good, Roger.

Storms here in Louisville

Storms here in Louisville last night.A 75 foot oak tree squished two vehicles in the driveway.

My truck looks like it rolled down Mt. Vesuvius.

 

Will the struggle never end?

 

Wow, sorry to hear that.


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Sen. John McCain (2003):
"
...I am proud to say that I was born in your country.&

struggler...

Look at the bright side. You now have plenty of firewood!

Hope you got really good insurance.

45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm