For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: Does Hill heart Barack?
Despite the praise and smiles between the two, some in the crowd still sensed a space between them. Their embraces were slightly awkward, and Clinton stood with her hands clasped formally in front of her as Obama spoke. Eileen Quill, a 64-year-old retired teacher from nearby Sunapee who had supported Clinton, said: "I think she's usually a wonderful public speaker, and so is he, but she looked a little stiff and the whole thing wasn't entirely comfortable."
Will this staged event in Unity unify the Dems? Did it help to mend fences or fail badly by publicly demonstrating the chasm?














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I imagine that hillary is
June 28, 2008 - 10:29 ET by MidAmericaI imagine that hillary is still in shell shocked disbelief. This election was hers to lose.... and lose she did. How? She had all the advantages, money, experience, 'bill', name recognition, party support, Republicans on the defensive, and no serious primary rivals. She started at the top and worked her way to the bottom and when she got there she started digging. It will be interesting to see if she will now accept being just a senator instead of a 'senator-while-waiting-to-become-president'.
Its all done with mirrors
June 28, 2008 - 10:33 ET by wdhorningPeople cannot take hype and rallies to the gas pump or to the supermarket. Except for die-hard Democrats, many around the country will see through this charade and choose a more experienced, more solid candidate to be the next president. As for promises of "change" and "unity", these have all come and gone before in US politics, without results, so except for young, naive voters, this will not have much impact.
McCain offers more hope because he has been more centralist on most issues, but more to the right on issues that have to do with personal and national security.
You just described McCain as a Statist... and you're right.
June 28, 2008 - 11:19 ET by Britcom---
Lets fix the Supreme Court for good!
Communist vs. Statist '08
Black pepper
June 28, 2008 - 10:35 ET by sarcasmoSome of you saw me griping about the price I paid for black pepper a few weeks ago. 2 updates. First, we're now growing it in a few pots, and it looks like it's going to be an easy plant to propagate because it's a relatively hardy vine. Second, I found a cheap online source -- nutsonline.com has it for about $6/lb.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
sarc
June 28, 2008 - 10:49 ET by BlondeFor a real treat, try green peppercorns...at your local Chinese Market.
Not hot....sweet and tangy, yum. I've become addicted, & I'm not a pepper fan!
<edit> Great link...I've bookmarked. Macadamia's!
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Yeah, I like those too
June 28, 2008 - 11:12 ET by sarcasmoThat's one of the reasons I'm still happy we're growing it even though I finally found a cheap online source. Another good and CHEAP product at nutsonline is their ground cinnamon, which -- like pepper -- has excellent health benefits IMO. It's good in coffee, on cereal, plain yogurt, etc. because cinnamon tends to stretch sugar's taste.
I'm stuffing myself with them now, but in the next week or so we'll have no more lychees left. :( Soon, the mangos will start, which will be great, but for me nothing's quite like eating fresh lychees. My Dad & I spread about a ton or so of horse manure around to his various trees this AM before it got too hot, so now I'm feeling totally beat.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Lychees....
June 28, 2008 - 11:24 ET by BlondeRat fink! <edit...oops, forgot about Matt's no name-calling edict>
My key lime bush is about 5' tall now....and has lots of limes! Had a bad bout of scale (Organocide worked like a charm....I use malathion on my orchids, but you can't use that on edibles) but the little bush is trying to grow into a tree. Mangos are about ready to drop, here.
I love this time of year....August is a different story, tho.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
I tell you...
June 28, 2008 - 11:38 ET by sarcasmoThey need to genetically engineer a lychee that bears fruit the size of cantaloupes from April to September instead of these June-only golf ball size things, but that's my fantasy. We're airlayering a lot of the "hak yip" variety that's no bigger than a golf ball just like the others, but at least it has a tiny seed.
This year, I have yet to get around to pickling any lychees in light rum, but that may become this afternoon's project. The result is somewhat disappointing pickled lychees (which taste too much like the rum) and some truly glorious rum (which tastes like lychees!). They're really good frozen.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
sarc, nutsonline?
June 28, 2008 - 23:04 ET by R D HelmLOL-Sorry, that just struck me as funny.
And let us know how the plants do, as I am pretty fond of fresh-ground (I never, EVER buy the pre-ground stuff) black pepper myself.
Fortunately, I have a pretty reasonably-priced supply of whole ones close by, but I have noticed the price of those precious peppercorns inching up somewhat lately.
The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz
OMG.... They're Both Doing
June 28, 2008 - 10:57 ET by motherbeltOMG.... They're Both Doing It Now!
The pair of them make me sick.
I don't think the Democrats need "unifying."
I have said all along that whoever the Democrat candidate is, no matter how angry they were, they will all revert to the pack.
Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out! - Marge Simpson
FDR's Socialist Legacy: The First Hundred Days
June 28, 2008 - 11:13 ET by BritcomSource: Barrons
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This morning AOL News
June 28, 2008 - 11:18 ET by BuffNBoneThis morning AOL News mentioned Carolyn Kennedy Schlossberg was showing an increased political visibility especially as part of Obama's VP selection group. If she was selected to fill the slot it would bring gravitas to the ticket.
"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"
Caroline Kennedy
June 28, 2008 - 11:30 ET by BlondeHas about as much experience as Obambi.
Gravitas?
Her poor mother must be spinning in her grave. Jackie O would not approve.
What can these people possibly be thinking? Seriously, I just don't get it at all.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Actually Blonde these
June 28, 2008 - 12:03 ET by BuffNBoneActually Blonde these things are relative, compared to Obama she must have some.
"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"
How Convenient
June 28, 2008 - 11:27 ET by BarkerMSNBC breaks into John McCain's speech today just in time to cover a couple of Code Pink hecklers. The timing was just too perfect. I suspect MSNBC coordinated with Code Pink as to when the heckling would occur, and "broke in" at just the right time. As soon as the hecklers were escorted out, MSNBC resumed their regular coverage.
Yes, I'm questioning the timing.
The Sacred Heart of Barack Obama
June 28, 2008 - 14:58 ET by BritcomSource: The American Spectator
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I found it interesting that
June 28, 2008 - 12:11 ET by Indiana JoeI found it interesting that Hillary addressed those who would either support McCain, or stay home. She invited them to "re-think" their decision. If she "endorsed" or asked them to "support" Obama, I must have missed it.
God and Science
June 28, 2008 - 12:45 ET by hydrodynDMI came across this and thought that it might interest some of the folks here.
The John Templeton Foundation has hosted a conversation titled "Does science make belief in God obsolete?" A number of scientists and scholars have responded with a variety of different views. Their (somewhat short) responses are posted here:
www.templeton.org/belief/
hDM, Science is only possible because of Christianity
June 28, 2008 - 15:00 ET by upcountrywaterDinesh D' Souza book " What's So Great About Christianity" is a great read.
John Templeton Foundation, Funds some of the MRC.
Liberals62%
IranianUranium
thanks hydro
June 28, 2008 - 15:07 ET by botgi've bookmarked it looks like a lot of different viewpoints
Yes, you are even more annoying than Blonde. the EYE
Not much of a crowd
June 28, 2008 - 13:06 ET by Prester JohnToday's Washington Post has a picture of the unity "rally" on the front page--I tell you what, considering this was a meeting of the Messiah and the smartest woman in the world there sure was a whole lot of green grass visible.
Too funny! (or sad)
June 28, 2008 - 13:11 ET by GregEThis is just too good to miss......
http://taxingtenness...
Quite right, Greg
June 28, 2008 - 13:20 ET by BlondeAnd the really sad thing is, these people can vote!
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Oh absolutely. Funny you
June 28, 2008 - 15:40 ET by GregEOh absolutely. Funny you mention that. Everytime I hear someone say something so blatantly stupid, my mind goes directly to "and to think this person is allowed to vote for leaders of the United States of America."
Sheesh. I don't even know
June 28, 2008 - 16:39 ET by motherbeltSheesh.
I don't even know what else to say about that.
Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out! - Marge Simpson
OMG!
June 28, 2008 - 17:51 ET by Indiana JoeAn example of the total cluelessness of some people.
Too many people. And, in my experience, they don't want a clue, they "don't pay attention to politics."
But they vote. Scary.
Appearances Can Be Deceiving
June 28, 2008 - 13:45 ET by JDWWhy does a truly unified party need a unity rally?
JDW
Remember the Countrywide Six?
Who forgot to write about the advances in Iraq?
If bin Laden is presumed innocent, why not just shoot him there?
McCain Endorsement
June 28, 2008 - 14:42 ET by JDWMcCain's ex-captor endorses him
JDW
Remember the Countrywide Six?
Who forgot to write about the advances in Iraq?
If bin Laden is presumed innocent, why not just shoot him over there?
A Quickie Shrub Report...
June 28, 2008 - 15:51 ET by Roger the ShrubberThe Shot Heard Round the World happened today 94 years ago.
More "unintended consequences" of Liberalism. Thanks, comrades!
The Picture of the Day.
Restaurants are feeling the crunch in this recession, er, economic slowdown. The reasons listed: gas prices, food prices, less demand from broke consumers. No minimum wage mentioned at all.
"When he got the loan three years ago, it was an adjustable rate mortgage and they knew that and they were told it might go up," Ms. England said. "But they were also told it might go down. And they expected [any change] would be within a few percentage points." ACORN strikes again!
George Bush sends rodents to kill Americans.
Don't you know who I am!?!?!?!
Re the ACORN
June 28, 2008 - 16:44 ET by motherbeltRe the ACORN rally:
Despite the Abbotts' failure to find a solution yesterday, Ms. England
called the protest a success because it helped spread awareness of the
problem -- and the work toward a solution.
And the work toward a solution? I don't think so.
But they don't care...it's all about "awareness."
Maybe Mr. Abbott should have invested in a little "awareness" of what can happen with an ARM....
Shoot 'em all; let God sort 'em out! - Marge Simpson
Rog
June 28, 2008 - 19:05 ET by Noel SheppardRog,
I thought this was the shot heard 'round the world. ns
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June 28, 2008 - 21:08 ET by dahliatraversGeorge Bush sends rodents to kill Americans.
Very good, Roger.
Storms here in Louisville
June 28, 2008 - 17:21 ET by the strugglerStorms here in Louisville last night.A 75 foot oak tree squished two vehicles in the driveway.
My truck looks like it rolled down Mt. Vesuvius.
Will the struggle never end?
Wow, sorry to hear that.
June 28, 2008 - 20:41 ET by Britcom---
Sen. John McCain (2003):
"...I am proud to say that I was born in your country.&
struggler...
June 28, 2008 - 20:47 ET by Clear thinkerLook at the bright side. You now have plenty of firewood!
Hope you got really good insurance.
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