For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: French chopping down D-Day memories:
The beech trees of Saint Pierre de Varengeville-Duclair forest bore a poignant testimony to the D-Day landings for more than six decades. Thousands of American soldiers stationed there after the liberation of Normandy spent their spare hours with a knife or bayonet creating a lasting reminder of their presence...Amid bureaucratic indifference and a dispute between officials and the forest owner, most of the trees have been felled, chopped up and turned into paper.
Is this just another example of French indifference to the nation and people who liberated them 64 years ago? Or, does the man that owns this land have every right to do what he wants with it?
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This appears to be a non-story hype.
June 13, 2008 - 09:02 ET by CTThe trees were not removed as part of any kind of protest or anti Americanism. The only reasons given were safety, bureaucracy and economic.
I agree. This is a
June 13, 2008 - 09:16 ET by Roger the ShrubberI agree. This is a non-story.
I concur...plus let's face
June 13, 2008 - 09:27 ET by taterI concur...plus let's face it, these trees would have wiped out someway in the future anyway be it storm, fire, or humans. It may have been a story if some skin headed dude with a swastika was doing the chopping.
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My freinds you have a point,
June 13, 2008 - 09:52 ET by ForeverOnTheRightMy freinds you have a point, but for the sake of perserving history and or respect for thoe who gave their lives to liberate France, could they not have saved or preserved one tree in memory of these brave men?
Did they get photographs of
June 13, 2008 - 10:21 ET by Hero SquadDid they get photographs of the trees before bringing them down? Video, perhaps? Any attempt to preserve a few of the trees after bringing them down?
I can understand the possible need to bring down these trees. But there are modern ways the symbolism and historic interest of these trees could have been preserved better.
While I'm disappointed that some French citizens willfully ignored the historical significance of these trees, I'm equally impressed that there are several who recognize the value of these trees and were incensed enough to make issue of it.
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"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
Even though it is a piece
June 13, 2008 - 09:03 ET by Dan The Man 2Even though it is a piece of history, time marches on and D-Day is remembered in our nations boosom. I see it as a property rights issue and if some want it saved then they can either buy the land, trim the trees for the owner or cut the trees down and preserve the history that way.
Remember in 1000 years most will have forgotten about D-Day and relegated it to some dusty corridor of time. It may sound crass but it is practical. Just look at today and the blasie mood when you mention D-Day.
Im all for preserving history but time does march on.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
LIES EXPOSED
June 13, 2008 - 09:03 ET by ricklailFirst off I am not a Rick Warren fan but here he replies to a Newsweek article about SoulForce being invited to his church for Father's Day. Does it surprise anyone that Newsweek fibbed?
The Atlanta Journal and Constitution exposes the lies told by the Brady Center to Prevent Handgun Violence. This is fair and balanced for a change. I don't think it was run by Cynthia Tucker first.
“A debate is a conflict which clarifies a position. A dialogue is a conversation which compromises a position.” –John E. Ashbrook, The New Neutralism II, P. 7
while I have no great affection for the French
June 13, 2008 - 09:05 ET by theduck6I have been softened lately by their slight turn towards the right.
I read a story about this and apparently this is not some governmental statement or even some protest by the locals. The owner decided to sell the trees for money so they could be used for paper. Many governmental and local types were outraged and dismayed. There is a movement afoot to put the remaining trees on a monuments list for protection.
I'm as anxious to skewer the French as much as the next guy (as evidenced by some of my T-shirts) but let's be fair.
While it would have been
June 13, 2008 - 09:15 ET by motherbeltWhile it would have been nice of him to preserve them, it is his land to do with as he wished.
Look at it this way, if it were the US it would have been taken over by the government and declared a "historical site" and he would not have been allowed to do anything with his own land.
Oh wait, they are trying to do that!
I guess it depends on how many trees in how many places, and how inconvenient it is for the current inhabitants.
Kobe Bryant
June 13, 2008 - 09:13 ET by NortoWatched him stand there with his hands in his pockets during the National Anthem and could not be happier that the green Machine and Pierce stuffed him.
The ungrateful cur. He is French material for sure. MVP my foot!
"My mission, in what is
June 13, 2008 - 09:14 ET by ckc1227"My mission, in what is left of a long and exciting lifetime, is to stamp out this Global Warming silliness and let all of us get on with enjoying our lives and loving our planet, Earth."
John Coleman
Keep up the good fight, Mr. Coleman.
And now, today's
June 13, 2008 - 09:17 ET by Roger the ShrubberAnd now, today's extra-spooky Friday the 13th Shrub Report®:
Ally Sheedy turns 46 today. Man, she used to be hot. It seems Father Time beat her good with the ugly stick... I guess when the Olson Twins (who turn 22 today) look like crack whores, Ally doesn't look that bad after all…
Free the Tomatoes!
A grim Carl Kolchak Robert Mugabe Update. Remember, WE are the savages, right?
Yoi! Myron Cope gets an asteroid named after him.
More Voter Fraud revealed. What, ACORN was not involved? Not this time. It's a group called "Voting is Power". This moonbat organization is led by anti-Semitic nutjob Mahdi Bray.
Ireland votes down EU treaty.
A Culture of Corruption Update.
Those dirty Jooooos and their big nasty Zionist bulldozers…
Man, I always thought you paid extra for a Geisha Facial…
Your Picture of the Day.
Warren Beatty get lifetime achievement award, obviously for his fine work in Dick Tracy and Ishtar.
ED Hill sucked in Pittsburgh (when she was using the name Edy Tarbox), and she still apparently still as dumb as a box of rocks.
And, finally, The Hopeful Changer disavows his campaign…
Re: Trapped tomatoes
June 13, 2008 - 12:35 ET by QueenMumPerhaps the FDA should be in charge of border security.
But seriously, aren't they just tomatoes simply looking for work doing jobs that American fruits aren't willing to do? (Yes. Tomatoes are fruit, not vegetables. And no gay jokes please.)
Back in Time
June 13, 2008 - 09:21 ET by CellaFor some reason this story sucked me back in time.
A screen door slamming, a neighbor feeding noisy chickens in the yard next door, my big brother going off to war.
I have stored those memories of those years. The trees don't figure into my thinking. Let it be.
Original forest owner is dead, in order to pay inheritance tax
June 13, 2008 - 09:29 ET by upcountrywaterSell the trees or give away the property..Just a guess..
Just a little site work, to remove those pesky white markers, and a GREAT hotel site will be available, soon.
This SCOTUS ruling has got me pissed off.. A libtard friend said that it has to do with the fact we are NOT at war.. Congress has not declared war since WW-2 .. So is he right? Is this the basis of the court ruling?
Liberals62% There is no fixin stupid
IranianUranium
We did declare war, Congress
June 13, 2008 - 10:29 ET by Dan The Man 2We did declare war, Congress authorized war. Iused Wikki as a quick and dirty resource but teh origianl can be found in the WH archives.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
And al-Qaeda delcared war on us in 1998....
June 13, 2008 - 10:37 ET by Prester John...it's just that no one was paying attention.
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/08/19/terror.tape.main/index.html
Dan I agree with you.
June 13, 2008 - 10:57 ET by upcountrywaterHowever,these are the only wars declared by the congress:
The War of 1812, the Mexican-American War, the Spanish-American War, World
War I and World War II.
My libs friends arguement is the SCOTUS , ruled the way they did, Kuz it's not a declared war!
ACLU is sending 747's plane loads of lawyers, to cuba as we type here..
Liberals62%ain't no fixin stupid
IranianUranium
I disagree with your
June 13, 2008 - 11:06 ET by Dan The Man 2I disagree with your statement "However,these are the only wars declared by the congress" because if you look at the Constitution and resolutions by congress you will find it is the intent of agression that has to be authorized not a declaration of war specifically. So what we get down to is congress authorizing funding for troops taht the President placed in a state of war. And the language has changed.
So to wrap it up, when congress authorizes troops to go fight and funds it that is a declaration of war. Next time ask you friend to specifically define what a declaration of war is.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
And I respectfully disagree
June 13, 2008 - 14:21 ET by Prester John".. congress authorizing funding for troops that the President placed in a state of war."
That's the problem. Congress deliberately surrendered its authority to take this nation to war and put it in the hands of one man.
This delegation of authority allowed such weasels as Clinton, Kerry, Edwards et al the opportunity to say they were with Bush all the way if it went well, and to say, as they did, when it went less well that they voted for the authorization merely to give Bush more leverage in dealing with Iraq and that they never actually meant to give him the power to go to war. Now that fact that everybody knew that the authorization meant war unless the Hussein gang left town is beside the point.
If Congress had to have actually declared war the politicians would have had to have made a real decision for war and thus we would have avoided the spectacle of these weasals blaming Bush for making a decision which constitutionally was theirs.
IMO, we can longer afford any more wars without a formal declaration by Congress.
I see it working pretty
June 13, 2008 - 14:57 ET by Dan The Man 2I see it working pretty close to how it should work and how the founders envisioned it. When Jefferson, one of the original founders, sent our navy to the Barbary Coast to protect USA interests without a declaration of war; then I can see the idea of how it works. He sent them there and then congress had to decide to fund them or not.
They did fund them, politically expedient for them, and the USA fought their first war overseas without a declaration.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Dan I didn't know about the, Barbary coast details .
June 13, 2008 - 17:10 ET by upcountrywaterI knew I could count on NBers , Thanks.
Liberals62% ain't no fixin stupid.
IranianUranium
Fox News shows their street
June 13, 2008 - 09:35 ET by balboaFox News shows their street cred:
Fox Calls Michelle Obama A "Baby Mama"
http://gawker.com/ta...
Well, they are a right-wing
June 13, 2008 - 09:52 ET by Roger the ShrubberWell, they are a right-wing news channel, right?
I hope you would expect the same but opposite from MSNBC, right? I know I would.
I think that anybody who denies one channel's bias while accusing the other of bias is disingeuous. I mean that for partisans on BOTH sides, not just singling out my pal Bal!
Thankfully the term "nappy-headed baby mama" was not used :P
I wouldn't deny a bias the
June 13, 2008 - 09:59 ET by balboaI wouldn't deny a bias the other way. I bet FNC wouldn't use the term "baby mama" with a white candidate.
Your point is? That Fox News
June 13, 2008 - 10:20 ET by Roger the ShrubberYour point is? That Fox News is racist? Stop rationalizing your hatred of Fox. CNN and MSNBC is no better.
I don't hate Fox. Just
June 13, 2008 - 10:24 ET by balboaI don't hate Fox. Just pointing this out as a bad choice.
No, you aren't just doing
June 13, 2008 - 10:34 ET by Roger the ShrubberNo, you aren't just doing that. Even when you admit the bias of these cable news networks, you still have to justify your outrage over Fox by INSINUATING undercurrents of racism. You are not treating these channels as all being equally-biased when you say that, even after this website has given countless examples of such bias.
You make yourself look like you either:
a) have a serious axe to grind with Fox News
or
b) don't really believe in the bias at MCNBC and CNN, but are just paying lip service to hide that hypocrisy.
Again, not outraged over
June 13, 2008 - 10:44 ET by balboaAgain, not outraged over this. I've never been outraged at Fox. I don't think they're as fabulous as some think they are, though.
So, why would you say
June 13, 2008 - 11:19 ET by Roger the ShrubberSo, why would you say something like this:
I bet FNC wouldn't use the term "baby mama" with a white candidate.
To point out that they're
June 13, 2008 - 11:28 ET by balboaTo point out that they're not perfect, and that in this case they tried to use "hip" language as a caption about the black guy.
If you thought they were
June 13, 2008 - 11:45 ET by Roger the ShrubberIf you thought they were just trying to be "hip", the "white candidate" line would have been immaterial. No, you did it to point out they are RACIST, didn't you, Bal?
Holy backpedal, Ronnie Lott!
I don't know about racist.
June 13, 2008 - 12:47 ET by balboaI don't know about racist. Demeaning? Maybe.
Is this 'baby mama' another
June 13, 2008 - 09:57 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsIs this 'baby mama' another insult only 'African Americans' (as opposed to regular Americans) are allowed to use, like the 'n' word? Is there a list or book telling us poor white folk what words we are not allowed to use?
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The Obamas are married.
June 13, 2008 - 10:01 ET by balboaThe Obamas are married. "Baby mama" is a term for the unwed mother of a child. It would be an insult to anyone married.
Bal, if that's a derogatory
June 13, 2008 - 10:10 ET by MassConservBal, if that's a derogatory name, why is it that Michelle herself used "baby dady" to introduce Barak at the DNC convention in 2004?
I remember it because I thought it was such an absurd term for a supposedly respectable forum.
Assuming we can trust CNN's transcript (I know, I know...)
June 13, 2008 - 10:23 ET by sarcasmoHUGE assumption even elsewhere and especially around here, but anyway, this
...
MICHELLE OBAMA, WIFE OF BARACK OBAMA: My baby's daddy Barack Obama. Yeah!
BARACK OBAMA, SENATOR-ELECT, ILLINOIS: Thank you, Illinois. Thank you.
Thank you, Illinois. I don't know about you but I'm still fired up. I
am fired up. Look at this crowd. Thank you, Illinois.
...
indicates an apostrophe in the introduction.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Thanks sarc. I wasn't sure
June 13, 2008 - 10:29 ET by MassConservThanks sarc. I wasn't sure I had the actual quote right, so CNN is probably correct.
However, I don't understand how they're not the same. I guess I'm culturally defficient in that regard.
Would "baby's mama" mean something different and not be derogatory?
I'm culturally deficient, too
June 13, 2008 - 10:36 ET by sarcasmoBut it's correct English, which is something important to me (though we need to keep in mind it might just be the transcriber from CNN). I'm probably too much of a schoolmarm on correct English & the abuse the poor apostrophe takes on the 'net these days; while at the same time it's obvious that explicit pics of hot nude girls painted/photoshopped as cows don't really bother me. IOW I might not be the best judge of all this, and considering my own admitted biases I'll recuse myself.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Sarc, I understand the
June 13, 2008 - 10:45 ET by MassConservSarc, I understand the proper use of the apostrophe. Ebonics on the other hand doesn't seem to. I was just trying to figure out which term was Ebonically acceptable: baby mama vs. baby's mama and baby daddy vs. baby's daddy. I mean, if baby mama is not acceptable for describing a married mother, how is baby's daddy any better for describing the married father?
Forgive me if I misunderstood your critique.
Oh, I'm not sure I understand myself
June 13, 2008 - 10:53 ET by sarcasmoBut I think the incorrect English version means "unmarried" on "the street," and is therefore considered potentially insulting in this case since they're husband and wife. I could be wrong, though.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
You may be right.
June 13, 2008 - 11:00 ET by MassConservYou may be right. Personally, I don't feel bad not knowing the difference.
But, like I said to Bal in my original post, I thought the term she used was absurd for the forum it was used in. I don't think any political convention needs 'street cred' brought into it.
Another reason I'm glad I'm not a liberal Dem.
ok so here it is, I
June 13, 2008 - 11:51 ET by red_dragon311ok so here it is,
I don't claim to be an expert but , if you have a baby mama ( no apostrophe) you have a child with the women, same for baby daddy. Married or unmarried, you can be married and several baby mamas, and vice versa.
I know this because in hang out with my friends who by chance of genetics have darker skin then i do ( i refuse to say "I have black friends" because they are my friends first and formost, ) and they refer to people like that
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
-Gerald Ford
Thanks red dragon, So, if I
June 13, 2008 - 12:59 ET by MassConservThanks red dragon,
So, if I read that correctly, your informed opinion is that baby mama could refer to both a married or unmarried mother.
In that case Bal's contention that it was an insult for Fox to have used it in reference to Michelle Obama is invalid, except for the fact that Fox had the temerity to use a slang term similar to one she herself has used.
Yes just as long as
June 13, 2008 - 13:16 ET by red_dragon311Yes just as long as the women in question is the mother of your child, out of wedlock is reguardless.
also from what I have observed it is NOT an insult at all, but a state of being.
"She is my sisters best friend" = the best friend of my sister
"He is my uncle"
"She, his baby mama" she is the mother of his child
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
-Gerald Ford
Don't aks me! ;)
June 13, 2008 - 11:43 ET by QueenMumDon't aks me! ;)
Who cares? Political correctness run amok!
June 13, 2008 - 13:57 ET by jefflebowskiBlacks call themselves the "N" word in nearly every rap song ever created (and I use that word lightly) and in everyday conversation. But the end of the world comes if a white person uses the "N" word.
Blacks refer to themselves as "people of color" but you cannot call them "colored people." See how ridiculous this has become?
If they get offended by "baby mama or daddy" then tough! Stop coming up with these idiotic ghetto terms! Fo shizzle!
Jeff Lebowski
www.angrywhitedude.c...
at work i had a customer
June 13, 2008 - 14:04 ET by red_dragon311at work i had a customer named Fred Uzzle
I was temped to say " what's yo truzle mr uzzle"
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
-Gerald Ford
Allow me to personally thank
June 13, 2008 - 14:07 ET by MassConservAllow me to personally thank you for your restraint. You'd have been locked up by the PC police and I'd have had to go without an answer to my question today. ;-)
yes we had a good
June 13, 2008 - 14:30 ET by red_dragon311yes we had a good time "uzzleing" our words that day
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
-Gerald Ford
You think it's possible
June 13, 2008 - 10:25 ET by ckc1227You think it's possible that they didn't know the literal, Oxford definition of the phrase? I didn't. Apparently "Gawker" and "Salon" didn't either.
Well, I guess slang is
June 13, 2008 - 10:31 ET by balboaWell, I guess slang is rather trickier than it looks.
I have to say "about time".
June 13, 2008 - 10:00 ET by taterI have to say "about time". I think we've seen how low the other networks will stoop to make fun of Bush, Cheney, McCain, Republicans, conservatives, etc.
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Here Bal, this should give
June 13, 2008 - 17:44 ET by Gary P JacksonHere Bal, this should give you some facts. Michelle actually used the phrase "my baby's daddy" when intrducing B Hussein Obama.
http://michellemalki...
We actually covered that
June 13, 2008 - 17:47 ET by balboaWe actually covered that already.
I was worried for a moment...
June 13, 2008 - 09:48 ET by ThalpyI was worried for a moment. I thought it might have been the trees along Le Chans Elise--remember, the French planted them to keep the sun off of the marching German soldiers. Oh well.
An appearance of "impropriety?
June 13, 2008 - 10:18 ET by Prester JohnSenators Dodd and Conrad are among the government officials who scored V.I.P. loans from C.E.O. Angelo Mozilo.
Two U.S. senators, two former Cabinet members, and a former ambassador to the United Nations received loans from Countrywide Financial through a little-known program that waived points, lender fees, and company borrowing rules for prominent people.
Senators Christopher Dodd, Democrat from Connecticut and chairman of the Banking Committee, and Kent Conrad, Democrat from North Dakota, chairman of the Budget Committee and a member of the Finance Committee, refinanced properties through Countrywide’s “V.I.P.” program in 2003 and 2004...
Most of the officials belonged to a group of V.I.P. loan recipients known in company documents and emails as “F.O.A.'s”—Friends of Angelo, a reference to Countrywide chief executive Angelo Mozilo While the V.I.P. program also serviced friends and contacts of other Countrywide executives, the F.O.A.’s made up the biggest subset.
According to company documents and emails, the V.I.P.'s received better deals than those available to ordinary borrowers. Home-loan customers can reduce their interest rates by paying “points”—one point equals 1 percent of the loan’s value. For V.I.P.'s, Countrywide often waived at least half a point and eliminated fees amounting to hundreds of dollars for underwriting, processing and document preparation. If interest rates fell while a V.I.P. loan was pending, Countrywide provided a free “float-down” to the lower rate, eschewing its usual charge of half a point. Some V.I.P.'s who bought or refinanced investment properties were often given the lower interest rate associated with primary residences.
http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/top-5/2008/06/12/Countrywide-Loan-Scandal
Let's see, the head of the Senate Banking Committee getting sweetheart deals from a major player in one of the industries his committee oversees. Hmmmm.
No doubt we can expect "Larry Craig" type coverage from the MSM on this.
"The Dodds received a competitive rate on their loans," spokesman Bryan DeAngelis said in a statement. "They did not seek or anticipate any special treatment and they were not aware of any."
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=5062800
Dodd's statement is just more proof of how stupid they think we are.
C'est la vie
June 13, 2008 - 10:11 ET by SickofLibsWhen i first saw this, I thought man, that's some pretty old trees considering the fact they were that size 60 years ago.
Then I found out typical lifespan for european beech is 150-200 years, 300 not uncommon.
Too bad no one photographically documented all the carvings for posterity. Would've made a great coffee table book.
Alex Kozinski's porn-stash
June 13, 2008 - 10:17 ET by sarcasmoIs a bit less exciting than expected. Some of it is gross, but some is quite funny, IMO, and I didn't find the cow chicks disturbing at all, but that's just me and I'm sure feminists are universally outraged. I wish he'd done a better job of hiding it -- and he has a reputation as one of our most tech-savvy federal judges, so interpret that as you wish. Anyway, he's human, and shockingly enough, human males like sexy images. (Full disclosure: I've never met the Judge in person, but I consider him a friend. We occasionally correspond due mostly to our shared interest in very boring law and in very tasteless jokes. BTW AK rejected one of my jokes a few years ago as too tasteless, which it was!)
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Consider the cloak lifted
June 13, 2008 - 18:50 ET by RESTLESS 1Sarc, come on!!! This was on hizzoner's, and I use the term loosely, WEBSITE!!!!! If it were on his personal computer, I would be inclined to agree with you. I find most, if not all, of the content not much, but not on a CIRCUIT COURT JUDGE'S website.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
I know this is a lame excuse, but...
June 13, 2008 - 19:43 ET by sarcasmoI suspect he truly didn't think the material could be accessed publicly. Also the website wasn't just the Judge, it's also his sons, and was registered in Yale's name. If you're actually interested in my buddy's guess at the technical details, which sounds about right to me, I can try to recount it. Basically, AK's a computer experimenter who was playing around with domain names, files he/they found amusing or interesting, and a web server.
I "met" him online in the late '90s because he'd written a very funny and well written article for Newsweek about building his own computer, but I was already a fan. His computer, if the suspicions are correct, was running Apache under Linux/Unix, probably, if my buddy and I had to guess, remotely administered by one of his college+ aged sons rather than AK. It's quite possible this setup had a mis-configuration or other security issue, because that's what often happens when humans experiment with networked computers.
Some people, including yours truly, think some of this stuff is pretty funny. Humor is a matter of taste. I "know" the real Judge Alex Kozinski enough to know that his all too human interest in this sort of X-rated adult stuff isn't the only thing you should know about him. He's Reagan's best appointment by far IMO, and AK is unmistakably the voice of sanity on an otherwise insane 9th Circuit. Even if, like me, you're not at all in favor of illegal immigration, you might enjoy the imaginary dialog in his dissent in United States vs Ramirez-Lopez. Or better yet, read his snowboarding article (pdf) linked one page down in this hilarious email to Article III Groupie, which manages to make fun of his own 9th Circuit. I know the idea of a Federal Judge acting like an ordinary human being is strange, but AK's a bit of a strange guy, I guess.
It's interesting, but not surprising, that he's now having himself investigated. [Edit: He has now declared a mistrial because of the publicity. One wonders what might have resulted from a hypothetical Federal Judge assigned to a porn case, but discovered with a secret stash of pro-censorship/prudery writings, instead of porn, on his kid's website.] Anyway, the bottom line is you need to cool down about this one. The Federal Judiciary has far greater problems than a ribald libertarian brilliant funny Reagan appointee.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Just wondering. How come we
June 13, 2008 - 11:37 ET by QueenMumJust wondering. How come we haven't heard an outcry from the left about whether or not FEMA is responding quickly enough to the flood-devastated states in the Midwest?
Because it's the heartland.
June 13, 2008 - 11:45 ET by OldSailor88People and communities take care of themselves out there. They don't stand on the rooftop begging for help and shooting at helicopters. They pride themselves on the LACK OF NEED for Government services.
Noli habere bovis, vir!
Adding on to Oldsailor's remark
June 13, 2008 - 11:52 ET by taterProbably because the majority of people out here in the midwest (at least as far as I know) aren't leftists themselves. Had this happened in Kalifornia or New York you might here more of an outcry from the wackos.
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"There is no problem, I tell you, no matter how difficult it is, that we can not resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary." -Sister Lucia
I like the
June 13, 2008 - 11:54 ET by red_dragon311I like the disticntion of Kalifornia because in Californa during the wild fires the peopel there too did not wait for the gov't to save them
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
-Gerald Ford
Believe me I know all of
June 13, 2008 - 12:00 ET by taterBelieve me I know all of California isn't wacko land...the fires just happen to hit the sane part of the state.
www.theholyrosary.org
"There is no problem, I tell you, no matter how difficult it is, that we can not resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary." -Sister Lucia
Hitler comparisons already starting?
June 13, 2008 - 12:03 ET by mastersofdeceitAnyone catch Larry King last night?
STEPHANIE MILLER, TALK RADIO HOST: I have to tell you, we've had a lot of emotion in this Democratic primary. There's a lot of irrational callers to my radio that said Edwards didn't get in, I'm voting for Hitler
http://transcripts.c...
Nothing new under the sun.
http://www.history.u...
I have a beef with NB Staff
June 13, 2008 - 12:31 ET by ThisnThat... Why did you take away the "Most Recent" list? The Most Popular list doesn't quite hack it. For example, the November 7, 2007 item "Weather Channel Founder -- Scam" shows up this afternoon, with no ryhme or reason; yet, I can't scan for the most recent threads. HELP! (please)
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I second that beef. Well,
June 13, 2008 - 12:39 ET by MassConservI second that beef.
Well, beef-like substance anyway. :-)
You guys don't see the window of scrolling most recent posts?
June 13, 2008 - 12:45 ET by Dee BunkI like it a lot better, except that the links don't always work for me. I assume it's a bug that will get worked out.
What I'm talking about is right under the T-shirt add and the posts are highlighted in Blue instead of red. It lists the recent posts and has a scroll bar
Hi Dee, I'm going to have to
June 13, 2008 - 13:51 ET by MassConservHi Dee, I'm going to have to say, nope. Don't know if it's my browser settings or what (I have popups blocked amoung other things), but I don't see that window.
Thanks for pointing out that they didn't totally remove that feature. At least now I know. :-)
[Edit] Got it now, I had Flash Animations disabled.
Glad you found it massconserv
June 13, 2008 - 15:54 ET by Dee BunkI like it a lot because you can still even find older articles that you might be interested in without having to go through pages.
As I said, the links don't always work for me but I'm assuming that bug will get worked out.
Ah-Ha!
June 13, 2008 - 17:04 ET by ThisnThatThanks, Dee -- I finally see it.
"right under the T-shirt add". That was my problem. I could never make it past the T-shirt ad!
I guess women can zoom right past, but for guys,,, well....there are certain "stop and dwell" points that are, ahem, distracting.
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Obama
June 13, 2008 - 13:12 ET by QueenMumA solid proponent of recycling - speeches:
Recognize this?
“You’ll have boundless opportunities when you graduate,” he told the students, “and it’s very easy to just take that diploma, forget about all this progressive-politics stuff, and go chasing after the big house and the large salary and the nice suits and all the other things that our money culture says you should buy. But I hope you don’t get off that easy. There’s nothing wrong with making money, but focusing your life solely on making a buck shows a poverty of ambition.”
Didn't we hear these same exact words spoken at the recent commencement address Obama gave in Ted Kennedy's stead? Well, check out the article in Harper's that was recently linked on another thread: "Barack Obama: The birth of a Washington machine" (above quote found in 3rd paragraph).
I don't know. Maybe I'm just being nitpicky. But I think it shows a "poverty of creative/independent thought". I suppose one could say, in his defense, that he was given short notice and didn't have time to do more than dig up some of his tried and true material. I guess he didn't have time to consult with Jeremiah Wright.
BBC show: Christian "fundamentalist" beheads Muslim
June 13, 2008 - 13:27 ET by Jack BauerThat's right folks. The BBC has made a new series in which "right-wing Christian fanatics" behead a Muslim. Happens ALL the time, doncha know!
Please note, the only people protesting the show (so far) are those who think it "trivializes" archeology.
WTF? What kind of
June 13, 2008 - 13:30 ET by lotrWTF? What kind of propaganda is this? Pardon my dimwittedness, but I just don't comprehend.
Christian riots not to
June 13, 2008 - 13:36 ET by TruthMongerChristian riots not to follow:)
thanks for the heads up Jack!
And the heads off as
June 13, 2008 - 13:42 ET by Jack BauerAnd the heads off as well!!
I hate it when people trivialize archeology.
Oh hang on... there's a couple of Jehova's Witnesses ringing my door bell... they're brandishing The Watchtower ... and a ginormous sword.
Back in a sec ... or not.
Unbelievable Jack - These people are so clueless
June 13, 2008 - 13:40 ET by Dee BunkJust like that V for Vendetta film where the Christian leader banned the Koran. They are so warped that they transfer what the Muslims are doing to modern Christians that don't do anything of the sort.
Christians don't try to forcibly ban Islam or any other religion. They don't bomb and behead people in any significant numbers. Christians peacefully evangelize and also provide charity while doing so.
What Muslim groups are out there providing charity and help to non Muslims? It's so crazy how many liberals are brainwashed by this obvious nonsense.
Christians don't try to
June 13, 2008 - 14:13 ET by Dan The Man 2Christians don't try to forcibly ban Islam or any other religion
And of course you mean moden day Christians because Christian leaders have committed all sorts of attrocities including banning all other religions. That said Christianity has evolved in the way we treat others and other religions. But, teh same can't be said for Islam.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Exactly right Dan
June 13, 2008 - 15:49 ET by Dee BunkAnd liberals have no interest in helping Islam evolve in the same peaceful way. They still just want to blame everything radical Muslims do on Christians. It's really mind boggling how prejudiced they are against Christians for no good reason.
Top 10 Worst Male-bashing Commercials
June 13, 2008 - 13:56 ET by balboaA list for everybody!
http://www.askmen.co...
Thanks Balboa
June 13, 2008 - 14:08 ET by jefflebowskifor the ammunition for my website dedicated to the defense of the most ridiculed and unappreciated being on the planet...the white male!
Jeff Lebowski
www.angrywhitedude.c...
Big Smashing Pumpkins fan
June 13, 2008 - 14:13 ET by balboaBig Smashing Pumpkins fan are ya'? Limp Bizkit?
Russert dead of heart attack?
June 13, 2008 - 14:35 ET by sarcasmoThe Post says so...
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Whoa!
June 13, 2008 - 14:40 ET by MassConservMy condolences to his family.
Wow...that guy was NOT old.
June 13, 2008 - 14:41 ET by balboaWow...that guy was NOT old. That's just awful.
Yeah.
June 13, 2008 - 16:11 ET by sarcasmoCavuto just did a very classy piece on Russert with a nice clip about his book about his Dad. I'd have certainly wanted to have a beer with Tim, but we didn't agree on much. My thoughts and prayers to his family, especially his Dad, who outlived him.
Not to be too macabre, but I find myself wondering who's jockeying right now to snag the job?
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
sarc, Now that a couple
June 13, 2008 - 16:18 ET by bigtimersarc,
Now that a couple of hours seems to have passsed since I have heard this...I am still in shock...I don't know why, but I am, guess for a mixture of feelings...a lot of years togeher for me I suppose...nevertheless you can be sure Olbermann has to be rubbing his hands together...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Ack! You're thinking Olberloon too!
June 13, 2008 - 16:23 ET by sarcasmoPlease, clueless NBC executives. You don't need to pick Jackie. Just pick anyone but him. Talk about a potential step downhill for a network that's already losing credibility like mad...
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
sarc...do not be surprised
June 13, 2008 - 16:33 ET by bigtimersarc...do not be surprised if this happens...he is already on Sunday Half-time football from the network forced on us..from what we have all read and posted here over time...it seems he and others were in quite the disagreement about Olberman ect...time will tell.
Sunday's for me aren't going to be the same for a long time to come, wondering who he would have on ect..
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Just saw that. Save a
June 13, 2008 - 14:42 ET by bassndudeJust saw that.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Russert has died!
June 13, 2008 - 14:48 ET by bigtimerOh My God! Tim Russert has died!
Prayers to his family!
I am shocked!!!!
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Tim Russert
June 13, 2008 - 14:49 ET by UphillRIP
Uphill.... As mad as he
June 13, 2008 - 14:54 ET by bigtimerUphill....
As mad as he made me over the years, plus great work in my eyes at times with his interviews... I am so shocked, I got chills when this was announced....what a sudden shocking loss...I really am teary-eyed.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
bt, I'm in shock as well......
June 13, 2008 - 15:03 ET by BEGRUNTI was in the car coming home, and Hannity broke it on his show. He made me mad at times, but he was the consumate professional. My prayers to his family.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
NBC interrupted the U.S.
June 13, 2008 - 18:46 ET by UphillNBC interrupted the U.S. Open to announce his passing. Tom Brokaw was obviously shook up while he told the viewing audience the news.
Yea man, I'm sad as hell.
June 13, 2008 - 15:16 ET by BlazerYea man, I'm sad as hell. Say what ya' want, but Tim wasn't a far-leftist and although liberal, he was a consummate proffesional. Out of all the journalists on the left he was about the only one I could stomach and I think he was legitimate in that he believed in what he said, he wasn't just preaching to the choir and whether you agreed with his politics or not, you cant' help but respect that .I thought he was a likable guy and down to earth too.
A sad day day for journalism. My prayers are with him and his family. God bless you Tim.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Blaze.. I couldn't agree
June 13, 2008 - 15:22 ET by bigtimerBlaze..
I couldn't agree more..heck I watched his hour long shows on Saturday's too...
It is just shocking...he was a liberal, everyone knew that, but he did yeoman's work constantly..even if he made me mad enough numerous times to scream at him...what a loss...now we have the likes of Olbermann to replace him...that is what is past sad, which I fear happening...soon.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
RIP Tim
June 13, 2008 - 15:26 ET by taterSay what you want about his politics but the one thing I remember about Tim was his love for his dad. While he may have died of a heart attack...he had a good heart.
www.theholyrosary.org
"There is no problem, I tell you, no matter how difficult it is, that we can not resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary." -Sister Lucia
tater... ...Amen... "Nev
June 13, 2008 - 15:29 ET by bigtimertater...
...Amen...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Countdown to the first
June 13, 2008 - 15:28 ET by Roger the ShrubberCountdown to the first conspiracy theory has begun... Rest in peace, Mr. Russert.
Time to play Name that Party
June 13, 2008 - 15:44 ET by mastersofdeceitOk this one's actually pretty easy. It couldn't have GOP or REPUBLICAN plastered any bigger or mentioned more times could it? It's a short piece, I guess they could have lengthened it.
http://www.wlky.com/...
Hey mod... Great find
June 13, 2008 - 15:51 ET by bigtimerHey mod...
Great find about the hypocrisy and bias in the msm when it comes to the other side of the aisle...they rarely mention the party or connections...as we all know.
If the other side doesn't mention party affiliation us that are political can pretty well be sure it's a leftist..but hey count on the rest of the population that does bother to read any of their hypocritical blather to assume it must be the party of the culture of corruption...on and on it goes...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Tim Russert...
June 13, 2008 - 16:05 ET by PrairieSkyI am truly saddened at the news of the sudden passing of Tim Russert. I have no use for pretty much everyone at NBC News, with the exception of Mr. Russert. He was about the only person at NBC who managed to maintain anything close to an impartial approach to the news, particularly when it came to politics. Tim Russert was a true gentleman and a class act, and he will be missed.
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American people. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan, January 20, 1981
Heh...................
June 13, 2008 - 16:11 ET by BlazerVentured a look over to Kos for some CDS (conservative derangement syndrome) or some looney leftist conspiracy theories concerning Russerts departation. Disturbingly I found that the leftists in Kos-sackstan are actually feigning subdued exstaticsm ovr Russerts demise and already demanding that.........thats right..........wait for it......ah hell, y'all allready know, that BathTub Girl take his place (Oh The Shock !!)
Jeezus Mcgillicutty, the man hasn't even gotten stiff yet !
As a matter of fact some of em' said they didn't care for Russert because he was too "centrist", WTF ?
Earth to Kos, D.U. and Huffpo:
" Ummm.....yea......ya' see....Keef would never, ever, ever, ever , ever, ever, ever be able to fill the MTP job, because they actually allow conservatives on there to talk back and that wouldn't bode well for Keefs personal anti-conservative space bubble and ego-protection system, if Kristol was on there rippin' him a new butt crevice, but he still can hazz' cheezburger.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
OMG. I think I'll take your word for it...
June 13, 2008 - 16:21 ET by sarcasmoI was just thinking about who'd make their quick & cheap short list, and until you mentioned it Olberloon never came to mind... Tucker Carlson, if he's still under some sort of Borg contract?? Or maybe David Gregory? And then, while thinking "inside talent," my mind inevitably went to (please, Oh Lord, let the clueless NBC executives see the light...) early morning weatherbabe Jackie Meretsky. Mmmmm.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Ya know Blazer......the crap that kos is spewing
June 13, 2008 - 16:23 ET by BEGRUNTwhen the man has just passed, is disgusting to say the least. It shows these "people" are nothing but vile animals. There is NO ONE at NBC that could even come close to filling Tim Russerts shoes.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Well Begrunt, I'm sure
June 13, 2008 - 16:29 ET by BlazerWell Begrunt, I'm sure most Kossacks are fine and decent folk, but Kos himsself is lower than a fly tryin' to have an afternoon snack of dogpoo on the bottom of my tennis-shoe. I even heard that recently Hugo Chavez called Markos a leftist,....... go figure
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Blaze.....I didn't mean to broad brush all........
June 13, 2008 - 16:38 ET by BEGRUNTthe kos kooks, just the ones posting the vile crap, I should have made my point clearer. I agree kos himself is lower than whale$h*t.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Begrunt, unfortunately
June 13, 2008 - 16:54 ET by BlazerDelete....double post
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Your right Blaze.....they....
June 13, 2008 - 17:02 ET by BEGRUNThave nowhere else to go. I must keep that in mind......its just when I visit and run from the lunacy over there, it just seems like I see crap post after crap post.....it leads one to assume sometimes.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Begrunt, unfortunately
June 13, 2008 - 16:55 ET by BlazerBegrunt, unfortunately most of the decent liberals that visit Kos get caught up in the far-leftism of the sites message and pidgeonholed much like how they're party is hi-jacked by the far-leftists on Capitol Hill, although the majority of them probably vote blue-dog or moderate democrat.
Also unfortunately, that Marxist site has propped itself up to be to be the capturer of liberal the zietgeist and touchtone of the democrat voice ala Markos.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Blaze...how weird...I just
June 13, 2008 - 16:25 ET by bigtimerBlaze...how weird...I just posted a post about Bath-Tub boy alreay rubbing his hands together...you can be sure...
Guess I wasn't that far off from the leftist thinking...
Plus, I just turned it to msnbc...lo and behold Olbie is talking, faking sorrow as far as I am concerned at the moment ...Howard Fineman is replying...just wanted to put the time frame in here for others...
Olbermann is so phony...he is just waiting in the wings.
Bet in about ten minutes or so, or before he goes off the air, he will have tears coming down....
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
bt, if Keith fancies the
June 13, 2008 - 16:37 ET by Blazerbt, if Keith fancies the MTP job, then he better be careful what he wishes for. They actually "have" conservatives and discerning viewpoints on that show. Along with his tissue paper ego, if Keith has a weak blood vessel anywhere in his body a suspect heart valve or a pistol on his nightstand they would be burying him before the end of the week too.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Blaze.... Well.... I'm
June 13, 2008 - 16:41 ET by bigtimerBlaze....
Well....
I'm not going to post the rest of what I am thinking...it isn't nice/polite/PC.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Many Prayers
June 13, 2008 - 16:40 ET by third eyeOne of my heros died today.
RIP Tim Russert.
Sunday's won't be the
June 13, 2008 - 17:06 ET by bigtimerSunday's won't be the same.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
May God Bless Tim and the entire Russert Family.
June 13, 2008 - 17:28 ET by R D HelmUnlike so many who exist in the public eye, Tim Russert never treated his family as if they were merely rental appliances.
Though pehaps a little politically confused, he was a good and decent man, and one of the few members of the MSM I could actually sit down and watch.
RIP, Mr. Russert.
The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz
Russert was much more biased in the last couple years
June 13, 2008 - 17:36 ET by Dee BunkThat doesn't mean I wish anything bad on him or his family. I'm sure he was a great husband, father and friend and my prayers are with all who loved him.
Dee.. It won't be long
June 13, 2008 - 17:45 ET by bigtimerDee..
It won't be long before we hear on nbc/msnbc..let's vote Obama in for the Russert...
Kinda' like this one's for the Gipper!
I hate to put this in now..but I can see it coming on down the road...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Yeah and his replacement will be even
June 13, 2008 - 17:52 ET by Dee Bunkmore bias.
Ya know bt...the way things have been going lately.......
June 13, 2008 - 18:16 ET by BEGRUNTthat would not surprise me a bit. Something like...."his last wish was......." That would take a set of brass ones for that, but I wouldn't put it past them ala Paul Wellstone.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
bt, I am seriously considering voting for Obama in November.
June 13, 2008 - 18:41 ET by R D HelmAfter McCain's recent statements as they pertain to the economy and rising gas prices, as well as his ignorance on the subject of the "obscene" profits of the oil companies, it has become painfully clear that this man is wholly uneducated in the area of free markets and the laws of supply-and-demand.
McCain would be a total disaster as president.
Better to let the dims eat this one.
The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz
RD - there is no good reason to vote for Obama though
June 13, 2008 - 18:48 ET by Dee BunkIt's better to vote for the Libertarian or anyone - just someone other than Obama. Obama is going to win anyway and the bigger his margin the more he'll feel he has a mandate.
RD
June 13, 2008 - 18:57 ET by RESTLESS 1Considering the record of Republican appointed SCOTUS judges lately, I am inclined to agree. I don't know if I can vote for Obama, but it will be thankless work voting at all in November.
(BTW, still don't know who I will vote for. I used to be on the McCain is better bandwagon, but he keeps trying to push me off.)
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
R1, that ruling yesterday was hideous.
June 13, 2008 - 19:38 ET by R D HelmEssentially, the "conservative" SCOTUS has pretty much screwed the US of A in way that I believe will be ultimately fatal to this nation.
I believe the "Gitmo Five" justices should be arrested at gun point and prosecuted, but that is probably just me.
And shame on GWB for his gutless reaction. He should have told them to go pound sand.
The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz
Inflation. It's everywhere.
June 13, 2008 - 18:25 ET by sarcasmoGovernments are just so good at "doing" money.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Remember Doo Doo Diène???
June 13, 2008 - 19:45 ET by R D HelmNeal did:
Don't forget that this Doudou Diène character of the United Nations did his tour of
the US to find out if racism is an issue the presidential election.
Clearly he couldn't leave the US without meeting with the Council on American
Islamic Relations.
(h/t Boortz.com)
The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz
Obama and "Code Pink" is breaking out...maybe
June 13, 2008 - 20:48 ET by JayTeeNB is quoted in this article at Free Republic, as the "Scandal" is Breaking Again.... or trying to....
Obama needs to give some more Money back.....
The Republican Revolution will not be Televised
Royal Navy to Build Super-Carriers
June 14, 2008 - 05:17 ET by Britcom**Note the unique double tower design shown on the model in the pic.
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Communist vs. Statist '08
Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"
Brit -- I've been saying
June 14, 2008 - 05:30 ET by Jack BauerBrit -- I've been saying for years that the US should build massive Mega-Carriers, the like of which the world has never seen.
That would obviate the need to depend on any land mass (and ANY ally) to project military might and airpower across the globe.
They would never have to dock in any port -- being supplied at sea by their own blue water mini-navy.
It's America Alone, because even the UK (the most loyal ally to the US) is being eaten away from within.
America cannot count on air bases and supplies from anyone in the future.
Indeed
June 14, 2008 - 05:54 ET by BritcomThere is also the need for large cargo/troop carrier airships and submersible aircraft carriers.
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Communist vs. Statist '08
Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"
Senate GOP Leader Mitch McConnell vs. Global Warming Bill
June 14, 2008 - 07:36 ET by BritcomSource: Human Events/ Bob Novak
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Communist vs. Statist '08
Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"
Space Shuttle Discovery
June 14, 2008 - 08:40 ET by Blondeis going to perform it's de-orbit burn in about a half an hour. Here's the live link to NASA TV....the only way to watch shuttle events.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
They made it.
June 14, 2008 - 17:09 ET by sarcasmoAnd even better, Phoenix is getting twice the data rate the team was told to expect from Mars! Go robots!!
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.