For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: will Scott McClellan's book stoke another Plame investigation in Bush's final months in office:
President Bush's former spokesman, Scott McClellan, will testify before a House committee next week about whether Vice President Dick Cheney ordered him to make misleading public statements about the leaking of CIA agent Valerie Plame's identity.
Is this the Democrats' last hurrah on this issue. Will this grow into a full-blown House investigation? Will media report every second of such proceedings 24 hours a day seven days a week? Will this end up reflecting negatively on McClellan, or will he get a pass as a GOP whistleblower?
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Credibility
June 10, 2008 - 10:14 ET by MeanderingHasn't he lost all credibility by now? What's to make him tell the truth to the committee? He hasn't done it yet so I can't see how his comments can be used as truth since he doesn't know the difference between truth and lies.
who needs credibility when
June 10, 2008 - 12:45 ET by TruthMongerwho needs credibility when you have the MSM:)?
This will be just another
June 10, 2008 - 10:18 ET by mattmThis will be just another Liberal Lie-fest.
They have been calling for Bush's impeachment since before he even took office. They can not face the issues on the merits and they will not compromise the way Bush (not always to his credit) does, so their only alternative is to commit slander.
How anyone can't see the utter sleaziness and corruption of the Left is beyond me.
Since the day his book was
June 10, 2008 - 10:26 ET by Free ThinkerSince the day his book was released McClellan seems to have disappeared. I think this is largly because he has been discredited so much and so easily, even by msm folks like David Gregory who has been no fan of this administration. This is just a naked political stunt to play to the fringe left of the democrat party. The Plame investigation is old news - Richard Armitage was the "leaker". This could backfire on the dems as another example of wasting tax dollars and avoiding the serious issues they have created, so I don't expect the msm to let McClellan be in the news cycle much longer.
Does the President or his
June 10, 2008 - 10:29 ET by Dan The Man 2Does the President or his staff have the right to tell the public statements that do not contain the whole unvarnished truth? The President is under no obligation to tell the press any details of anything period. To quote Jack Nickleson "The truth, you cant handle the truth".
I think the President did nothing wrong and the leaker is well documented.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
"I DID IT!" No you didn't....Cheney did.
June 10, 2008 - 10:30 ET by OldSailor88Just what part of Richard Armitage's confession that he leaked the info to Robert Novak do the Democrats not understand? Do they need engraved invitations to the leak? How about getting over your BDS for a moment and GET SOMETHIING DONE THAT FREAKING MATTERS, CONGRESS!!!!
Noli habere bovis, vir!
With skyrocketing gas
June 10, 2008 - 10:50 ET by motherbeltWith skyrocketing gas prices, it is clear that the American people can no longer afford the Republican Rubber Stamp Congress [...] Democrats have a commonsense plan to help bring down skyrocketing gas prices..... Her Speakerness Pelosi, April 2006
Like this, for instance?????
Dems only have to promise
June 10, 2008 - 12:13 ET by SouthJersey1953The democrats only have to promise they will do this or that. The idiots that vote for them never hold them accountable.
I would like someone in the MSM to ask her holiness what she has done (and what her next "promise" about gas price control will be)
All I'm hoping for is Scott
June 10, 2008 - 11:15 ET by Clear thinkerAll I'm hoping for is Scott to be proven a snotty little kid and he breaks down crying on C-Span.
"Abstain from McCain"
Ok, I have been looking for
June 10, 2008 - 10:32 ET by Dan The Man 2Ok, I have been looking for the points for Iraq invasion laid out by Powell to the UN and can't find them. Does anyone have them and a link? I got called out about them on another blog and I hate to have my facts missing in action.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Here is a rundown of the
June 10, 2008 - 12:10 ET by motherbeltHere is a rundown of the speech from CNN.
Hope it helps.
Two edged sword here
June 10, 2008 - 10:39 ET by okiehawk44Scott will now subject himself, under oath, to questioning from Republicans.
This is not good for him.
The 1st question should be "Who helped you write this book and what did they suggest you write?" He lies, he is in contempt of congress and maybe worse.
Ted Butler vindicated on silver manipulation, again.
June 10, 2008 - 10:40 ET by sarcasmoBy an open letter from lawyer Avery B. Goodman. The money quote:
...Because the amount of silver futures, allegedly “promised” for delivery far exceeds the entire world’s supply of deliverable silver, looking into this was of critical importance. As a result of the inadequate investigation by CFTC staff, we still don’t know whether there are primary stockpiles of silver covering long futures contracts, and/or what secondary stockpiles cover the puts and calls that are, in turn, alleged to “cover” these base contracts. Instead, staff issued a report that merely speculated that, “maybe”, “somewhere”, there “might” be sufficient silver to satisfy the contracts. The critical question is where? That has not been answered at all.
One cannot legitimately say that a liability is “covered” when one does not know where the commodity to “cover” is located. If dealers know how to find more silver than is known to exist, why can’t CFTC use its existing statutory authority to demand that information? The report is one of the sloppiest pieces of work I have ever seen in all the 24 years I have practiced law. ...
Smackdown. The media may be able to continue ignoring this scandal for a while because they hate the fact that others did the journalism job better, but it's a financial time bomb of dishonesty that will eventually explode. Then the CFTC will want more money.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Cloaking device *fully-engaged*
June 10, 2008 - 12:33 ET by sarcasmoBut fiscal reality will, eventually, win the day. It always does, no matter HOW poorly "professional" financial journalists do the job.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Time to draw the line.
June 10, 2008 - 10:48 ET by DyneI don't care about what the many neocons at this site have to say in defense of our invasion and occupation of Iraq on a basis of lies and propaganda because even since I joined this site they can't seem to understand the fact that George W. Bush has done more to destroy our Constitution than any other President in history.
Regardless, even if you think we should have invaded or not, this is proof that our troops aren't there to free the people, they're there as puppets to enslave the Iraqis and force them to allow the US to launch more illegal, immoral, unconstitutional, and undeclared wars on the Middle East from Iraq: http://www.counterpu...
If you think that such a treaty is justified, then get to your local army recruiting center, volunteer to deploy to Iraq, and find out first-hand just how much you'll be seen as "liberators."
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we," Bush said.
"They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our
people, and neither do we." -George W. Bush
Hang in their, Dyne, the
June 10, 2008 - 11:11 ET by ckc1227Hang in their, Dyne, the med cart is making the rounds. It'll get to you soon.
McClellan
June 10, 2008 - 11:19 ET by iveseenitallMcClellan will be in Florida on the 26th, speaking in Tallahassee at the invite of weasel Wexler. The witch hunt continues and our enemies,within as well as without, are laughing and rubbing their hands. We've been safe since 9/11, and our economy has roared. Dems took over in 2006 and have done nothing but talk,as ususal, while the market plunges and gas prices soar. Next thing you know, we'll cut and run from Iraq. And as in 'Nam, millions will die. Sad.
Who is Barry Sotero?
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
I don't care about what the
June 10, 2008 - 11:42 ET by Free ThinkerI don't care about what the many neocons at this site have to say in defense of our invasion and occupation of Iraq on a basis of lies and propaganda because even since I joined this site they can't seem to understand the fact that George W. Bush has done more to destroy our Constitution than any other President in history.
O.K., I'll take the bait, but first of all I am not a neocon, I have always been a conservative, but I don't expect you to know what a neocon even is. Did you cut and paste as many fringe left talking points together as you possibly could find? If you are going to regurgitate these same tired, baseless, absurd comments you have to come up with some real examples, otherwise this is no fun.
So try your post again but tell us with facts how the constitution has been destroyed, why the war in Iraq is illegal, how geopolitics really work, why we have not been attacked since 9-11, how dismantling al Quada and terror supporting nations has not made us safer, maybe even something to show that the surge has not made Iraq a huge strategic victory for America. I mean just give us some fresh perspective. Life doesn't have to be so bad because this President you hate so irrationally is going to be judged so well by history. There is just no reason to get so worked up and feel guilty about living in the greatest country in the world. Better yet, maybe you should take a trip down to that recruiting center and thank one of the brave soldiers you see for protecting your right to even share your opinion so freely with others. Have a nice day.
FT, posters like Dyne don't
June 10, 2008 - 13:26 ET by motherbeltFT, posters like Dyne don't think they have to provide any evidence for their assertions; they just throw the stuff out there and challenge others to prove them wrong.
That's so much easier than providing concrete examples of one's assertions.
Oh really...
June 10, 2008 - 11:55 ET by ontheright...seems you've been infected by the liberal, dimocrat kool-aid and have lost your ability to read and/or reason;
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/3/13/115752.shtml
http://news.aol.com/newsbloggers/2008/01/23/actually-bush-didnt-lie/
http://www.factcheck.org/bushs_16_words_on_iraq_uranium.html
http://rhymeswithright.mu.nu/archives/266225.php
http://www.macsmind.com/wordpress/2008/06/09/bush-didnt-lie-but-rockefeller-did/
I guess your "opinion" is based in a reality that doesn't exist, eh? Have a nice life.
Your post is like a fart in
June 10, 2008 - 11:55 ET by contraryYour post is like a fart in the wind....
It stinks and thankfully blows away with time.
"Republicans always get a huge pass on the racist issue. Huck is just another example. Provided they don't start up with the N word, they seem able to pander directly to the racist vote."
-- Chuck Davis, intellectual heavyweight, bigot
it wasn't even mildly
June 10, 2008 - 12:48 ET by TruthMongerit wasn't even mildly annoying
what's wrong with libs these days?
there heart just doesn't seem to be in it:(
I agree. You do have a
June 10, 2008 - 12:28 ET by Roger the ShrubberI agree. You do have a definite lack of understanding. It's a part of your charm.
Wow, another "chickenhawk" post here at NB this week. Was that on the weekly Lefttarded talking points memo or something?
Dyne must be one of the
June 10, 2008 - 13:40 ET by bassndudeDyne must be one of the Thought Police buddies. He also cites kookie left web sites as "proof".
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
How will they work this one into Bush & "manmade" global warming
June 10, 2008 - 11:03 ET by IgnatzJFahrquarhttp://www.scienceda...
(Drudge has it linked)
Of course, solar activity has nothing to do with Earth's climate. <rolls eyes>
Let's see, last major sunspot inactivity was a 50 year stretch back in the 16/1700s which was a little ice age.
I can see it now, the warming trend will "reverse" and Dr. Schlock Gore will claim victory for his inititives.
Idiot.
"All generalizations are false, including this one.” Mark Twain
Other Stuff
June 10, 2008 - 11:16 ET by JDWThe McClellan simply takes facetime from other more important issues.
Consider the fight in congress today over higher taxes... on oil companies, the issue has effectively been firewalled.
What about the Bubba buster team (Flowers/Jones) offering their stories on the Web for $2 each?
Mr McClellan is not camping out in front of the Bush's estate yet in the end he will go home and he will be forgotten.
JDW
Will Ted Kennedy help write the universal health care bill?
Taxes
June 10, 2008 - 11:46 ET by iveseenitallJDW:
Taxes on the oil companies are really going to help YOU and ME, right? DUH!
And good for Flowers and Jones. The truth will out.
Who is Barry Sotero?
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Other Stuff
June 10, 2008 - 13:45 ET by JDWTaxes on the oil companies are really going to help YOU and ME, right? DUH!
?
JDW
Will Ted Kennedy help write the universal health care bill?
sarcasm
June 10, 2008 - 17:45 ET by iveseenitallSarcasm was meant for them.There is no way a tax like that will do anything to lower gas prices or help the average citizen. It's a typically dumb "liberal" move.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Ummmm, hasn't there already been an investigation?
June 10, 2008 - 11:17 ET by Missouri ConservativePatrick Fitzgerald and all?
I don't believe there was a shred of new evidence that came out in this book.
"women and minorities hardest hit"
I think what bothered me
June 10, 2008 - 22:07 ET by Cape Conservativemost is that all Scott has to offer are his thoughts on what shoulda/coulda/woulda.
To the best of my recollection, Mr. McClellan was NOT elected to any office and therefore whatever thoughts he might have on any of the issues he addresses are as meaningless as mine would be. I find it quite arrogant of the little guy to think he has the right to second guess decisions made by those he served...especially with that extra-special 20/20 hindsight we all seem to acquire after the fact.
I guess he still hasn't figured it out - he is being used by the left bigtime and will soon be cast aside for the next dupe. And he has destroyed his credibility - NO ONE is going to want to be in the same room with him, much less have him join their company. He had better hope the book sells enough to pay for a few years of living expenses. I was saddened to read that he is simply following in his father's footsteps, who wrote a tell-all on LBJ after serving him. A man's word is his honor - and nothing can return that once it is tarnished. And Scott McClellan is - may I borrow a word from Bill Clinton - a scumbag extraordinaire!
Insane Democrats Want Trillions in New Taxes
June 10, 2008 - 11:25 ET by BritcomSource: Newsmax
BTW, don't forget about the $845 billion dollars of your tax money that Obama wants to spend on his "Global Poverty" giveaway. Weeeeeeee!!
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Communist vs. Statist '08
Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"
“Simply by not making
June 10, 2008 - 16:38 ET by general company“Simply by not making Bush’s tax cuts permanent, taxes will rise by a minimum of $2.8 trillion between now and 2018.”...
No they wont, because nobody will be making any money to pay them
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
It would seem to me...
June 10, 2008 - 17:19 ET by Prester John...this is yet another issue to beat the Dems over the head with.
"Hey there blue collar worker in the 10% tax bracket, did you know that if Congress doesn't renew the Bush tax cuts your taxes will go up by 50% (10% of taxable income to 15%) in 2010?
Or "hey there mid-level manager in the in the 28% tax bracket, how do you like the idea of your taxes going up to 31% for a 12% increase at the marginal bracket?"
Seems like a no brainer to me, especially since the Obama can only say what he wants to do regarding his supposed middle-class tax cut, and not promise anything especially since his definition of "middle-class" and "wealthy" is a whole lot different than what the rest of us think.
When taxes go up, so goes
June 10, 2008 - 17:25 ET by bassndudeWhen taxes go up, so goes the unemployment line. Goods and exports go down, GDP goes down, over all tax revenue goes down. How do they figure this nonsense?
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
McCain, the well-known
June 10, 2008 - 11:28 ET by ckc1227McCain, the well-known Conservative capitalist, wants to regulate CEO pay:
If Americans have a right to be offended about CEO pay, how the hell should we feel about the pay of members of Congress? When are federal prosecutors going to be called in to investigate THAT rip off.
Does that mean that McCain intends to prosecute George Soros?
June 10, 2008 - 11:40 ET by Britcom---
Communist vs. Statist '08
Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"
George Soros
June 10, 2008 - 12:56 ET by iveseenitallBritcom:
Soros will not be prosecuted, especially if Barry Sotero gets elected. What we may get is prosecution of President Bush. We will definitely get higher taxes to spread around the world under Sotero's U.N. program. We are in for Hell and yet millions are going to vote for a white-hating , America-hating Mulim boy who changed his name ( and religion?) to show his love for Africa. Lambs to slaughter. Sad.
Who is Barry Sotero?
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Now that will be one
June 10, 2008 - 22:08 ET by Cape Conservativeto watch!
You're dead on about
June 10, 2008 - 17:17 ET by motherbeltYou're dead on about members of Congress, ckc! Must be nice to be able to vote yourself a pay raise and have the taxpayers foot the bill.
On a related note, here where I live, they are talking about having to budget more fuel costs for school buses. Guess what that means? Property tax increase on homeowners! I guess their gas comes before my gas....
ckc...Thank YOU! I heard
June 10, 2008 - 17:28 ET by bigtimerckc...Thank YOU!
I heard this early this morning, he just doesn't quit sticking it in the eye of big business and conservatives...he makes me furious....as always...it is none of his or govt's damned business...but anything for a vote.
Btw...I agree totally with your last paragrah and that is exactly what I said to my husband....he is part of the reason we are paying the prices we are at the pump NOW...among other things.
He makes me ill.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Ditto.
June 10, 2008 - 18:08 ET by motherbeltDitto.
I agree - let's put
June 10, 2008 - 22:11 ET by Cape Conservativethe members of Congress under the microscope BEFORE the members of private enterprise! We'll see how long it takes before they decide that isn't such a good idea after all ;-)
delete
June 10, 2008 - 11:56 ET by contrarydelete
I agree.
June 10, 2008 - 14:09 ET by UphillI agree.
Congress can't run one
June 10, 2008 - 11:55 ET by ckc1227Congress can't run one restaurant, but have no fear, they can run the oil companies and the health care system of this country.
Geez!!! Don't they have any
June 10, 2008 - 12:48 ET by RESTLESS 1Geez!!! Don't they have any burger joints in DC?
"This liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Apparently, there's a nice
June 10, 2008 - 13:07 ET by ckc1227Apparently, there's a nice little restaurant on the House side that turns a profit, has good food, etc.
By the way, it has been privatized for some time now. Whouda thunk?
What really gets me
June 10, 2008 - 22:13 ET by Cape Conservativeis these people can WELL AFFORD to pay for a meal, much easier than many of us who do so on a regular basis.
They are just the tip of the "ENTITLEMENT" iceberg!!!
Just thought I'd let you
June 10, 2008 - 12:09 ET by wiwfJust thought I'd let you know that I was watching a BBC News knock off (some other lowly news channel), and they were reporting that Britain has reached a "deadly" milestone with their 100th (ONE HUNDREDTH) death in Afghanistan SINCE 2001!!!!! Are they friggin' serious?! And you thought our MSM was bad!
The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy
NPR reported that same
June 10, 2008 - 13:41 ET by Roger the ShrubberNPR reported that same exact news, and even added that Canada death toll so far (one brave Canadian had died, too).
NPR is good listening when you want to hear the predictable left-wing angle to the news.
It seems clear to me that
June 10, 2008 - 13:22 ET by celatorIt seems clear to me that McClellan was set up from the beginning. We read that he didn't initially intend his book as a tool to bash Bush. Then we hear that his editors changed this and that, and VOILA! Another Bush-bashing book by one of Bush's closest advisors. Just what they wanted in the first place.
Shame on McClellan for not stopping this train wreck before the printing press started rolling. He should have been far more diligent in watching the vipers who paid him all that cash. Talk about a useful idiot!
McClellen is so two weeks ago!
June 10, 2008 - 16:05 ET by CrashThis week it's, "Attack of the killer tomatoes!"
Could you be dying from what
June 10, 2008 - 17:58 ET by Roger the ShrubberCould you be dying from what you eat? Stay tuned to find out later in the broadcast....
Stretching the truth about Billy Graham
June 10, 2008 - 17:07 ET by sarcasmoContinued. Lesson for the McCain campaign? Doug Wead and people like him don't make a habit of saying false things, especially regarding matters of faith.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Hey a Limbaugh made it
June 10, 2008 - 18:14 ET by bigtimerHey a Limbaugh made it through the Senate today!
btw...as far as the question on the OT about Scottie Mc and the msm reporting this...of course they will 24/7...no doubt about it...he is their new Dean.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Rove/Russert
June 13, 2008 - 19:42 ET by NortoIn the final cbs segment tonight, Harry Smith inserted a clip with Tim asking someone I did not know who he first heard say that Plame was a CIA operative. The guest answered that it was Rove.
Nice touch, Harry. Shows you were not so focused on Tim's passing that you couldn't get a jab in at "The Administration."