For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: Congress takes up a cap-and-trade bill to "address global warming" this week. For those interested, the bill and the key players are detailed here.
How is this going to go? Lots of papers over the weekend saw this bill as being DOA as some key corporations and political groups have backed away from supporting the legislation. Maybe more important, members of Congress on both sides of the aisle seem less interested in enacting laws that would raise energy prices with gas at $4 and oil at $125.
What are your thoughts? Where is this legislation going?
Comments Policy
Diesel is 4.89
June 2, 2008 - 09:55 ET by 10ksnookerAround my place, diesel has gone through the roof, regular gas $3.99, diesel $4.89. I wonder how much of this nonsense is due to the new low sulphur diesel. Diesel is the first out of the box when refining oil, the least amount of refining required. Next would be heating oil, which is essentially the same thing -- Yes you can use heating oil in a diesel engine, works fine.
The climate change fantasy bill will destroy the US economy and put in place rationing imposed by a Soviet style top down economic command system. Does anyone care? Does anyone know what Collectivism is -- It's Harvard speak for Communism.
Now that there is no scientific basis for the AGW hoax, the push is on to get it passed before everyone finds out it's a hoax.
Petition
June 2, 2008 - 09:56 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsYou can go here to sign the petition circulating against this costly cap-and-trade legislation.
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Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps.
Tell your Senator to vote No on Lieberman-Warner Climate Bill
June 2, 2008 - 13:01 ET by PopularTechLieberman-Warner Global Warming Bill Is Bad for U.S. Economy (Video) (The Heritage Foundation)
The Lieberman-Warner Climate Change Act: A Solution Worse Than the Problem (The Heritage Foundation)
"The impact on the overall economy is reflected in cumulative gross domestic product (GDP) losses estimated at $1.7 trillion (with generous assumptions) to $4.8 trillion (with more realistic assumptions) by 2030."
Unless you want to pay more for your energy bills (electrical, gas ect...)
Cap-and-Trade Could Cost the Average Family $10,800 in Lost Income (US Newswire)
The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource
What's the big idea?
June 2, 2008 - 14:38 ET by FoolicanHey! I want to pay more for my energy bills! I expect that everyone else should too!
NBers
June 2, 2008 - 09:57 ET by Noel SheppardNBers,
For those interested, Brandon came in 10th at the NCAA Midwest Regional Track Championships Friday posting an all-time best 2.11m (6-11). Most exciting was his third attempt at 2.16m (7-1) when he appeared to clear the bar, and was actually sitting on the mats watching the bar cling to the standards for about a second before it fell off as the crowned groaned "Ohhhhh!" That clearance would have gotten him into the NCAA finals in Iowa in two weeks.
For the record, the Midwest region is BY FAR the best high jump region. In two other regions, Brandon's performance would have given him a top five finish and an invite to the finals (top five in each region get automatic invitations, with another twelve at-large bids). In fact, in one region, 2.06m (6-9) earned fifth. What a joke!
But, Brandon finished the season with his two best performances of his life, getting new PRs in both. Furthermore, though the bar fell at 7-1, had it been at 7-0.5 or 7, he would have cleared it easily -- giving him the knowledge that he is indeed now capable of the magic number 7. This sets him up for a great sophomore season next year.
Thanks to all that have followed his season, and your support. ns
Track and field
June 2, 2008 - 10:13 ET by iveseenitallThe beauty of the sport. Even if you don't win it all, you can take pride in your personal best. What a thrill this must be for him and for you. Over 40 years ago a man named John Thomas cleared 7 feet for the first time and the whole world cheered. It is still a great feat today. Congratulations!
And as the bar wavered and
June 2, 2008 - 10:17 ET by JerAnd as the bar wavered and then toppled to the ground, I'm guessing Dad's groan was likewise a "personal best".
Brandon's was a very impressive performance. He obviously has a very bright future and a very proud Pop.
Jer
Good for him!!!
June 2, 2008 - 12:29 ET by IgnatzJFahrquarI spent 4 years watching my son pole vault for a Div III Midwest college so I can understand the "wavering bar" moments.
The beauty of track is that there is, for the most part, no judgemental calls from the officials. You either throw it further, run it faster, jump higher, etc. It is what it is. The bars and stop watches do not lie.
"All generalizations are false, including this one.” Mark Twain
awesome, matt:) on to the
June 2, 2008 - 13:33 ET by TruthMongerawesome, matt:)
on to the olympics I say...
Hey... hey... hey...a lot
June 2, 2008 - 14:53 ET by bigtimerHey... hey... hey...a lot to be darned proud of there Noel and family.
Congrats to Brandon!
Next year ought to be exciting too...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Jumping
June 2, 2008 - 16:11 ET by KC MulvilleI'm also a dad whose sons play sports ... and my boys spend endless hours dribbling, kicking, and tossing various balls, sometimes (unfortunately) while in the house. My lectures aren't very good, and they've certainly have no effect. Many's the picture on the wall, or porcelain figurine, that I've had to catch while my two mindlessly bounce around the house.
And you say your boy's a high jumper? I can only appreciate what you went through. You've earned a share in his success, Noel!
Congratulations.
No No No No No!
June 2, 2008 - 10:01 ET by JWFThe earths climate is self regulating. It is what made life possible on this planet.
Carbon Dioxide is vital to all life on this planet. We (mammals and othe animals) exhale it. Plants use it for photosynthesis.
All life is carbon based. That is why carbon dioxide is essential.
It is the sun, water load of the atmosphere (clouds,rain) and natural events such as volcanoes and meteors, that overwhelmingly determine extremes of climate change.
Global warming is a sham!
The conundrum
June 2, 2008 - 10:04 ET by FoolicanClimate influences weather, but weather does not influence climate. Heat, cold, hurricanes, lack of hurricanes, tornadoes, typhoons, tropical cyclones, melting, freezing, crop failure, and crop flourishing are all caused by global warming.
If global warming causes a lack of hurricanes, shouldn't we pump MORE CO2 into the atmosphere for that reason?
It's a Market Solution...
June 2, 2008 - 10:08 ET by TinianIt's a market solution, so how can you possibly find fault with it?
If it's a "market solution," then...
June 2, 2008 - 10:11 ET by sarcasmoHow come Congress has to do anything??
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
That's Easy
June 2, 2008 - 10:39 ET by TinianThere has to be a level playing field. Even in the game of Monopoly there are rules on the inside of the lid.
What's unlevel about the playing field now?
June 2, 2008 - 10:44 ET by sarcasmoI fail to see how congress is doing any good here. I smell ethanol, instead.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
That's Easy II
June 2, 2008 - 10:50 ET by TinianThere's no established cap & trade mechanism.
Cap and trade mechanism??
June 2, 2008 - 10:57 ET by bassndudeCap and trade mechanism?? Your in favor of a cap and trade bill??? From Congress????? You dont remember the last time we had a cap and trade policy, do you? Anyone in favor of cap and trade is very, very uninformed. Look back to the Jimmy Carter years. There are examples galore of cap and trade policys in those years.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
They're either uninformed
June 2, 2008 - 11:03 ET by mattmThey're either uninformed or they are nazionale socializts.
"This liberal...want's to socialize...take over your companies..." - Maxine Waters - Democrat
"We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts)." - Nazi Party 1920
This is what happens when
June 2, 2008 - 11:09 ET by dboThis is what happens when you interfere with a free market:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/may/21/environment.carbontrading
How many gazillion government boondoggles does there have to be before some people clue in?
Chill
June 2, 2008 - 13:28 ET by TinianI'm just busting on Sarc because he's often advocates market solutions when there doesn't seem to be one. He once told me there was obviously a market solution for all of the school kids who don't get vaccinated nowdays. He couldn't explain how, but he was sure there was one.
I think AGW is a joke and I look foreward to Bush's veto.
Oh, sure
June 2, 2008 - 14:30 ET by sarcasmoThe market solution was letting parents (in 0 "public" socialist schools) decide, as I told you, whether or not you're honest enough to admit it. And you're still clueless & dodging on this one, too. Hint: A brand new control freak regulation from the US Congress isn't needed for free markets to work, no matter how dishonestly you try to spin it.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Incoherent Gobbledygook
June 2, 2008 - 18:16 ET by TinianKudos for an excellent example of the incoherent gobbledygook typically spewed by Paulians when cornered by reality:
That's a ...what?
A) A market solution?
B) A cogent thought?
C) A reasoned response?
D) Some collection of vaguely related words?
E) Some collection of random words?
I report, you decide.
Tinian: Don't ask SARC
June 2, 2008 - 18:25 ET by BDTinian:
Don't ask SARC for his own analysis.
He will freak out and you will get an endles stream of hotlinks he posts that take you to postings by others. Most then indeed are incongruous to the subject at hand.
Paulians = No Straight Answer
June 2, 2008 - 18:39 ET by TinianThe best I can figure is that Sarc believes if Ron Paul was president he could wave his magic wand and end public schooling.
Which makes perfect sense if you smoke a lot of pot.
Tinian:Don't ask SARC
June 2, 2008 - 18:27 ET by BD.
So why should there be?
June 2, 2008 - 10:59 ET by sarcasmoYou're not addressing the question. This is obese government intervention, and you're being dishonest if you try to call said obese government intervention "a market." It's not. It's an intervention much like the ethanol boondoggle. In order to argue coherently about it, we're going to first have to establish honesty in terms. You've got a long way to go.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
The crickets are chirpin'...
June 2, 2008 - 14:35 ET by sarcasmoHow 'bout some honesty? Congress creates nothing even resembling markets, so you'll need to try again...
JMR
PS You never told us how the WaPo's hook, line, and sinker tasted. :)
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Level? Who decides that?
June 2, 2008 - 10:57 ET by mattmIt's the free market that sets the rules and does the "leveling" - not the government. The government's only legitimate function is merely to see to it that the rules of the free market are followed.
Going with your monopoly analogy, according to what you seem to be advocating the rules on the inside of the lid are subject to arbitrary change at the whim of people who aren't even playing the game, and they get to decide when you can put a hotel on Park Ave. and whether or not you get to pass GO and collect $200.
It is leftist fascism
June 2, 2008 - 10:15 ET by JWFIt is a solution to a non existent problem.
Socialism puts everyone on an equal footing. How can you possibly fault that? Because it does not work!
Show any time and any place
June 2, 2008 - 11:08 ET by NL207Show any time and any place where Socialism actually put EVERYONE on an equal footing.
A lost cause
June 2, 2008 - 10:16 ET by FoolicanYou can dress up horse plop as much as you want...
...but it's still horse plop.
Government
June 2, 2008 - 10:24 ET by iveseenitallLet's face it. We are a government "of the few, by the few, for the few". And it's only going to get worse, no matter who is elected this time. It's only a matter of degree.
Who is Barry Sotero?
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
The place where we went
June 2, 2008 - 10:34 ET by FoolicanThe place where we went wrong was letting the United States become a democracy - as the country got bigger and bigger, the system for electing our president or president-elect became more democratic. Now we have John McCain as our GOP nominee, who doesn't represent the conservative agenda at all (in fact, he was elected by independents and Democrats who crossed party lines), and both parties are finding ways to game the system.
It's not a "country of the few," it's a "country of the stupid governed by the sly."
The only way we'll ever return to some form of a stable republic is if states secede from the Union. I can see that happening in my lifetime.
The system is not being
June 2, 2008 - 10:41 ET by Dan The Man 2The system is not being gamed, not that it was setup for such manuvers but there is nothing illegal. Think about it, the founders wanted representatives but they did not specify any parties controlling the mess. This was man's attempt of making sense out of chaos. People of like mind getting together to form voting blocks for more power/leverage.
The problem is as sarcasmo will relate at length, in too much length, is that in todays politics if you dont conform to a Democrat or Republican party then you are out in the cold. And those two parties have gamed the laws to make sure they remain in power.
The bottom line is we are left with only two viable options for President and if you dont like them then tough nuggies.
Basically the system cannot be gamed except by the parties. I for one am an independent and shall remain one, but I do vote Republican because it is the better choice. But, why cant I vote for the Democrat if there are to be only two viable choices running. I want my voice to be heard and my canditate to be in the running.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
It's not a market
June 2, 2008 - 10:40 ET by mattmIt's not a market solution. It's a government power grab that has nothing to do with markets, economics or climate. It's all about the aquisition of political power. How can you possibly NOT find fault with that?
Several reasons
June 2, 2008 - 10:48 ET by KC MulvilleThe essential problem with cap-and-trade is outlined perfectly by Robert Samuleson's article today.
In addition to all Samuelson says, I argue that cap-and-trade is a flawed economic model because it assumes that people will behave exactly as the modelers predicted. For example, the model assumes that if coal is reduced, people will adjust by uniformly lowering their usage, and that alternative energy sources will step up to fill the void. Samuelson rebuts this, and I have a further rebuttal. That model assumes that no one will see a profit in exploiting the transition. But that's not true. All kinds of people will suddenly have a means to exploit the transition.
Businesses would have to re-engineer their processes to adjust to lower or alternative energy. That could be a huge expense, dragging down the balance sheet for a year or two. Also, lower energy use means lower production, another stock-killer. The predictable result will be that energy hoarders can expect an eager and hungry market to fatten on.
The essence of strategy is recognizing that other players in the game will adjust their strategy as you adjust yours. It isn't like shooting pool, where your opponent has to sit still while you play your shots. That's the static model at the heart of cap-and-trade, where each step happens sequentially. Instead, a true market model is dynamic, accounting for the fact that even as you're responding to your opponent's last move, he's not standing still. He's already anticipating your response, and he's moving in several directions. Or to put into plain English, people are going to exploit this.
But, but-----------
June 2, 2008 - 11:03 ET by misterbillBut, but-----------my computer program graphs show it works.....
Hmmm, perhaps it was the same programming group that set up the software for the IPCC???!!!
Sorta like ethanol
June 2, 2008 - 11:31 ET by Dan The Man 2Sorta like ethanol production wont matter to the food production? Seems that this was brought up when the bill was being voted on in the Senate and it was pohpohed.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
DOA is Right!
June 2, 2008 - 10:20 ET by MeanderingThere are liberal nut-jobs out there, but hopefully we have elected some sane members of Congress to keep this bill from doing any REAL damage. I'm sure that will give the liberal MSM plenty of fotter to talk about.
Cap-Trade Bill
June 2, 2008 - 10:32 ET by GothampcI see it as one more reason to dislike John "RINO" McCain.
Who am I going to vote for in November?
Is this unpatriotic NBers?
June 2, 2008 - 10:45 ET by shawn228Despite all the protest and bad press the Olympics are getting, I am looking very forward to the Olympics and cheering on the USA this summer.
I will be cheering for the USA, but i'm not sure if I want to cheer the "dream team". I have nothing but admiration for Lebron, Kobe and the magnificant talent that will be on that team, but i kind of like to vote for the underdog in this case.
Is it so unpatriotic to go against the USA in just one sport?
You have to ask?????
June 2, 2008 - 11:00 ET by misterbillYes, of course----------------- it is!!!!!!!
It is just a soupcon of the self-loathing exhibited by socialists and liberals.
I should rather be accused of being a "Nicolas Chauvin" for my country than a "Benedict Arnold".
My God--we have so little to cheer for in our government, let's not turn it on against our athletes.
Hi misterbill
June 2, 2008 - 11:05 ET by shawn228I'm going to be cheering all our athletes. I want to USA to dominate in medal count. I was just not sure for basketball and have not made up my mind yet. I'm kind of mixed on it.
shawn--I know we may not agree on some things--but--
June 2, 2008 - 13:43 ET by misterbill--people like me feel like we are getting our asses kicked every day--at home, with the employers who hire "undocumented workers", those who belittle the accomplishments in Iraq, our mortgage crisis, jobs going overseas, again, employers who purport to NEED skilled IT and other technical workers, minority groups who consistently fall back on using, "racist, xenophobe, bigot" against those who love this country, and finally the minority, who, according to the MSM, "Live in the shadows"; well they shine bright as they step out of the shadows and barefacedly challenge our laws, openly, as our incompetent government listens to them and gives advantages to illegal aliens that are not bestowed on Americans.
I hope we kck ass in every sport. I hope we overwhelm them. Do you realize how important it is for them to win??? They want to wave the banners of newspapers in the face of the world and say. "See, the Americans are not so unbeatable, they are easy!"".
Add that to the thinking process and then see if you want to root for someone else.
A paraphrase:
"We need to hang together or we shall most assuredly hang separately".
PS--I understand the feeling--it is just the wrong time for it.
Olympics were better without the rich boys
June 2, 2008 - 11:06 ET by SouthJersey1953My only problem is they now allow pros (spoiled rich boys) to represent us in the Olympics. I sure hope they don't get paid for their performances in the games. Actually, I think the pro atheletes should have to PAY their own way AND pay an entrance fee. This entrance fee could go towards paying the way of the REAL amateur atheletes that will go.
I'll be rooting for the US Women's Soccer Team
Hey, we've really stumbled
June 2, 2008 - 11:15 ET by balboaHey, we've really stumbled in international competition in bball lately. I think we need to win the gold.
I'm amazed it hasn't come up on here yet how "anti-America" the latest Visa ads are. Does Visa want us to lose in China? /s
Actually, the one thing I
June 2, 2008 - 11:40 ET by BDActually, the one thing I miss about the olympics since the began allowing the professionals in is discipline.
Back in the 1970's-80's , when the US athletes marched in at the opening ceremony they did so with pride and precision led by adult supervision. All were dressed identically in team uniforms and they showed the rest of the world our best qualities.
Nowdays, when the athletes march in they do so as a mob, with the athletes sauntering in wearing pretty damn much what they want (hat on backwards etc) and doing everything up to and including mugging for , and flashing gang-sign to the cameras.
It is a sad disgrace.
I will admit that the US winter Olymics teams are slightly better behaved than the facially multi-tattood gangster thugs that make their appearance in summer.
If I see one more NBA thug mugging for the camera whicl videotaping himself with a portable camera as he enters the stadium, I think I will turn off the damn TV.
This may surprise---
June 2, 2008 - 10:57 ET by misterbillThis may surprise---I am in favor of this "cap" issue. I think every member of Congress who votes for it should be "capped".
LOL Mr. Bill... Glad to
June 2, 2008 - 11:01 ET by Clear thinkerLOL Mr. Bill...
Glad to see you here today. Funny too, because a few minutes ago I mentioned you in one of my posts.
"Abstain from McCain"
Or ---
June 2, 2008 - 11:48 ET by mytwocentsOr traded to a foreign country ... no wait -- that wouldn't do anything to help our trade deficit.
Very funny Mr Bill.
Medal of H9onor presnetation.
June 2, 2008 - 11:01 ET by BDOkay folks, a month and a half after the DOD released the news that SPC Ross McGinnis would be presented the Medal of Honor posthumously, the New York Times finally degins to repor the news following the ceremony.
Of course the story was a scant four parargraphs.
Gee, I wonder how they would report BIG news???? Sarcasm Off.
BD, saw an interview with
June 2, 2008 - 11:06 ET by bassndudeBD, saw an interview with the parents of Ross McGinnis this morning on CBS morning show. They were proud of their son. Of course they were sad, but they were proud of what he had done, and there were no anti statements at all. They were proud of him joining the Army, proud of his service, and proud of his accomplishments.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
UPDATE
June 2, 2008 - 18:33 ET by BDThe New York Times has updated their story on SPC Ross McGinnins receiving the MOH posthumously.
The story they are running is now 8 small sized paragraphs in length and seems to fixate on the fact that VP Cheney was in the audience. I mean, what the hell, the President is presenting the medal to SPC Mcginnis's parents, yet they decide to spend time noting VP Cheneys presence?
How about come quotes from the squadmates SPC McGinnins saved by his valourous self sacrificing act? Ohhhh, can't have that.
BD
June 2, 2008 - 11:43 ET by well99If Paris Hilton breaks a fingernail it is a major story.Here this young man sacrificed his self for his friends and fellow soldiers and gets 4 paragraphs.I wont use the words to describe how I feel about this because I will get kicked off NB.It is a shame such courage isnt heralded more.It really shows how low the media has sunk.
your vote
June 2, 2008 - 11:47 ET by misterbillYour Vote
sorry!!!!!
For you gun nuts
June 2, 2008 - 11:48 ET by well99OT but this is really good.I got email from brother with it.No link sorry.
THE BEST Put Down LINE EVER
For those that don't know him, Major General Peter Cosgrove is an 'Australian treasure
General Cosgrove was interviewed on the radio recently.
You'll love his reply to the lady who interviewed him concerning guns and children. Regardless of how you feel about gun laws you gotta love this! This is one of the best comeback lines of all time. It is a portion of an ABC interview between a female broadcaster and General Cosgrove who was about to sponsor a Boy Scout Troop visiting his military headquarters.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER:
So, General Cosgrove, what things are you going to teach these young boys when they visit your base?
GENERAL COSGROVE:
We're going to teach them climbing, canoeing, archery and shooting.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER:
Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible, isn't it?
GENERAL COSGROVE:
I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the rifle range.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER:
Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?
GENERAL COSGROVE:
I don't see how. We will be teaching them proper rifle discipline before they even touch a firearm.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER:
But you're equipping them to become violent killers.
GENERAL COSGROVE:
Well, Ma'am, you're equipped to be a prostitute, but you're not one, are you?
The radio went silent and the interview ended.
Reminds me of the time
June 2, 2008 - 12:03 ET by general companyReminds me of the time "Opra" I think asked Frank Purdue how he felt about folks thinking he looked like a chicken . Funny
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
ZING! Too bad she is part
June 2, 2008 - 14:55 ET by ThatDudeZING! Too bad she is part of the media though. It doesn't help your argument when you're talking to a media whore.
response: Well, our boy scouts are intelligent enough not to make your mistake.
Being an Eagle scout, I don't see where they feel that scouting practices are dangerous. Everything about the organization is set to turn boys into self-sufficient gentlemen.
Ellen Goodman of Wash Post Writers Group article
June 2, 2008 - 11:48 ET by PawpawNEllen Goodman of the Washington Post Writers Group wrote this article last Wednesday but not much play anywhere. She titled it "IN DEFENSE OF WOMEN'S DREAMS", but the Charlottesville Daily Progress in Va changed title to "CHANNELING THE INNER OBAMA". Read and let me know what everyone thinks. http://www.postwritersgroup.com/archives/good080529.htm
This is off topic and
June 2, 2008 - 12:35 ET by mandrakeThis is off topic and likely noone will get it, but this Scott McClellan guy has a striking resemblance to a character on a very raunchy Canadian TV show called 'The Trailer Park Boys' The character named Randy is a homosexual who is willing to prostitute himself for a cheeseburger. The difference is that Scott wears a shirt :)
Warning: Trailer Park Boys is not for the faint of heart..so look it up at your own risk.
Ted Kennedy going under the knife
June 2, 2008 - 13:15 ET by blogonatorTed the swimmer is going under to have his liberalism... err... tumor removed. I for one hope it leaves him a vegetable long enough that he won't be able to campaign for Osama bin negro this fall. If not, at least we can watch his head go chia-pet as he undergoes chemo!
Mmm...that's not emotional
June 2, 2008 - 13:36 ET by balboaMmm...that's not emotional at all. Huzzah!
There's a first time for everything
June 2, 2008 - 13:36 ET by mandrakeI have never before descended to personal insults..but now is the time. You sir, have no decency..go away!!!
Amen to that. You may want
June 2, 2008 - 14:58 ET by ThatDudeAmen to that. You may want to see these men silenced or their careers destroyed, but have some genuine sympathy for the men themselves. I believe Jesus said something about "love the sinner, hate the sin." Not that I'm particularly religious, but this seems a good practice to follow.
blogo, that's unspeakably low
June 2, 2008 - 17:19 ET by Indiana JoeI heard mention that the surgery was considered very successful. And I, for one, am glad, as much as I detest Kennedy as a politician.
Remarks like yours drag this site to the level of the Kos Kids. Please keep future thoughts of that ilk to yourself.
Good ol' blogo has always
June 2, 2008 - 17:27 ET by bigtimerGood ol' blogo has always been a troll here...I try my best to ignore him.
Which is danged hard to do at times.
He was just a hopin' we would all jump on and agree with his despicable post.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
That must explain it, bt...
June 2, 2008 - 17:46 ET by Indiana JoeThat must explain it, bt... I was surprised more hadn't renounced his post. Guess they know enough to just ignore him.
Blog
June 2, 2008 - 18:46 ET by well99You need to get a grip.I cant stand Kennedy but to wish him harm or get off on the pain he will suffer is Kos Kid or Huff garbage.This is the wrong site for that.
I caught a bit of the news
June 2, 2008 - 13:42 ET by HelenSThis comment excised by an attack of concience.
:o)
"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war" - Shakespeare
Global warming is a sham, but come on!
June 2, 2008 - 13:49 ET by blogonatorOf all the reasons to oppose climate change legislation, the administration chose to argue against it by saying it could raise gas prices 53 cents a gallon (wait for it...) over the next 22 years! Yikes! That's a bit over a... gasp... 2 cent increase a year!
Sorry, but that's just a rediculous approach to oppose the legislation given that gas prices probably just went up 2 cents while I wrote this.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24931662/
A Stranger A man
June 2, 2008 - 13:51 ET by misterbillA Stranger
A man came to my house one day
He said, "I'm giving something away
Not to you though it's already yours
Won by family through peace and wars
But to those who are the strangers
Those who faced the many dangers
To come here to this great land
And leave their land of sun and sand
All they want is to have a chance
To be part of our romance
To live with us with little strife
To share with us, this beautiful life."
And then he said, "I did decide
To share our gifts, to open wide,
Our country to let them sample
The gifts of this land which are so ample
To find them work, to earn some money
To send back to their land so sunny
Where their leaders do not spare
Efforts to keep the wealthy's share
Of their land's great natural wealth
And benefits of all good health
I know that good Americans will
Not mind if we pay the bill."
Now today, a few years have passed
The changes in our land are vast
Most people today now speak Spanish
Our English language did nearly vanish
Now government takes half the yields
That my family grows in the fields
Our lifestyle has been sore disrupt
By politicians almost all corrupt
We were told by every priest
That all would share in the feast
These men who had their holy orders
Helped the strangers remove the borders
And now as I sit and await the day
When old age finally takes me away
I cannot help but wonder
Who was that man who tore our land asunder?
And as I sit in angry fear
Word comes and I hear
Through the mist of sadness, plain
“Why that was only John McCain!!!!!”
Winning tipping point in Afghanistan ... Brit forces commander
June 2, 2008 - 14:53 ET by Jack BauerGood news out of Afghanistan...
Remind me -- this is the "war" the top Democrat politcos support, right?
This despite the fact, Afghanistan never attacked the US. And none of the 9/11 hijackers were Afghani.
How does Obama justify wishing to send MORE troops to what is clearly an illegal war (by their own thinking).
If bin Laden is reported hiding out in Chile, would he support invading that country too?
There are some awesome
June 2, 2008 - 14:59 ET by HelenSThere are some awesome words in the English language:
Commando
Delta
Ranger
Special Forces
Seals
B-52
Surgical strike
...sigh... nice strong muscle-y, in-your-face (in your back yard, in your worst nightmare) kind of words. :o)
"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war" - Shakespeare
Hey! Helen. You
June 2, 2008 - 17:48 ET by bassndudeHey! Helen. You forgot
carpet bombing
parking lot
glass landscape
After all, ya gotta include the brute force to.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
You also forgot a
June 2, 2008 - 19:52 ET by FoolicanYou also forgot a few:
Precision targeting
Heat-seeking missile
Vulcan cannon
.50 caliber
Double action
Stopping power
Nuke from high orbit
Payload
Tango uniform
This Cap-and-Trade bill
June 2, 2008 - 16:20 ET by NL207This Cap-and-Trade bill represents nothing less than economic destruction. It speaks of limiting future CO2 emissions to the levels of 2012 and reducing them incrementally 2% per year until 2050 for a total of 66% reduction.
I can't see how this is even possible unless either (a) people use a LOT less energy per capita (b) a miracle invention appears or (c) regulatory obstructions to Nuclear Power are relaxed.
This bill is probably the single most significant piece of legislation to come before Congress in the last 20 years. Do you hear any of these libs in the media reporting this? I haven't.
So, Reverend Pfleger has "apologized."
June 2, 2008 - 17:51 ET by Indiana JoeRead the article here. It reminds me a lot of Obama's "apology" when Rev. Wright first appeared on the horizon. Not REALLY an apology, just excuses, IMO. Even has the "context" angle, when it denigrates the YouTube clip of his performance. This guy has been a rabble-rouser in Chicago for years. And he's as slippery as any politician, misdirection and all. Claims some "meaningless" thing like this shouldn't even be news, with all that's wrong with the world. And check out the comments, lots seem to agree with him. It goes without saying that the Sun-Times is the more liberal of the two major papers.
Too much there to mention it all. But it IS a "target-rich environment," that's for sure!
Well, it seems they are
June 2, 2008 - 19:17 ET by RESTLESS 1Well, it seems they are still patting themselves on the back regarding the McClellan whoppers. It doesn't look like Dan Frookin likes McClellan much though. Loves the messag, hates the messenger I guess.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
The government school outrage from Hell.
June 2, 2008 - 19:24 ET by R D HelmJust how much of a brain-dead idiot does one have to be to be employed in a government school?
There is no England anymore.
Cap-and-trade may die this time around, but it will be back.
June 2, 2008 - 19:39 ET by R D HelmAfter all, McCain, a self-professed economic illiterate, supports this lunacy whole-heartedly. I believe if he were elected POTUS, he is so inept and misinformed in this area that he would most likely sign the next economy-killing version into law at the first opportunity, and smile as he did so.
Conversely, you have the dims putting up either Barry-O or Hillary. Either one will have a dim congress to play with, which means massive, economy-killing tax increases should either of these two idiots win the White House.
Our economy is not anywhere strong enough (and probably will never be) to withstand either McCain's cap-and-trade, or the dims massive tax increases (not to mention the danger of cap-and-trade they pose as well, or, what is worse, any combination of both.
I don't know about the rest of you, but it appears to me that regardless of who wins the nod in November, be it Obama, Clinton, or McCain, we are in for a hellish time economically.
There is no England anymore.
RD... Could not agree
June 2, 2008 - 19:42 ET by bigtimerRD...
Could not agree more!
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill