The following is from an MRC press release calling out the liberal mainstream media for covering up House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's (D-Calif.) recent remarks chalking up the success of the U.S. military in Iraq to the "goodwill of the Iranians." [audio of Pelosi's remarks available here]
Alexandria, VA-- Last Thursday, a collection of reporters and members of the editorial board of the San Francisco Chronicle sat down for a nearly 80-minute interview with Speaker of the House of Representatives Nancy Pelosi, Democrat of California.
At the 62-minute mark, Pelosi slandered and demeaned the hard-won successes of our armed forces in Iraq, saying "Whatever the military success and progress that may have been made, the surge didn't accomplish its goal. And some of the success of the surge is that the goodwill of the Iranians -- they decided in Basra when the fighting would end, they negotiated that cessation of hostilities -- the Iranians."
No one at the Chronicle reported the Speaker's vicious slander. Nor did NBC, ABC or CBS, CNN or MSNBC deem it fit for broadcast, either Thursday evening or at any point on Friday. The vaunted New York Times likewise did not deem this fit to print.
L. Brent Bozell:
"The liberal media continue to shred its tattered integrity with this willful exclusion of Nancy Pelosi's atrocious remarks.
"The Speaker of the House of Representatives slanders our troops in Iraq, whose blood, toil and tremendous sacrifice have led to the great and growing success we have seen there, and the liberal media are silent.
"The Speaker's slur is clearly newsworthy. Why then do the liberal media steadfastly refuse to report Pelosi's comments?
"Perhaps because they know why it is newsworthy: because it so thoroughly damages the credibility and integrity of the person third in line to the Presidency.
"The media's cover-up of Nancy Pelosi's anti-U.S. troop comments is simply shameful."
Comments Policy
Goodwill of the Iranians?
June 2, 2008 - 16:28 ET by jefflebowskiI've looked real hard but haven't seen any goodwill from the Iranians since they cowardly kidnapped our people in '79. There's a debt that still needs to be repaid. Real bad!
The more you hear from the Democrat leadership (oxymoronic), the more insane you must be to call yourself a Democrat. They have NO answers and really are the cause of most of the problems we experience today.
The US badly needs a dangerous enemy to kill off this kind of PC crap we are spoonfed on a daily basis. When the malls start exploding from Islamic suicide bombers, my guess is most people won't really be all that concerned with prisoner treatment at Gitmo anymore!
Jeff Lebowski
www.angrywhitedude.c...
Goodwill of the Iranians?
June 2, 2008 - 16:33 ET by bassndudeGoodwill of the Iranians? Can you use "goodwill" and "Iranians" in the same sentence? Is this a joke? Who is this really?
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
It's akin to "goodwill of
June 2, 2008 - 17:09 ET by mattmIt's akin to "goodwill of the Democrats."
Let us not overlook
June 2, 2008 - 17:44 ET by BodiniLet us not overlook the kindness of the Iranians for recently allowing their homosexual citizen to immigrate to Great Britain ... instead of killing him.
Maybe...
June 2, 2008 - 17:58 ET by PeevedGuy...something like; "The cab driver who drove me to the local Goodwill appeared to be Iranian."?
Other than something like that, I don't think those two works could ever coexist in the same sentence.
The Dude says...
June 2, 2008 - 18:48 ET by Intellectual Honesty"Yeah...well...like..that's your opinion...man."
(PS-I totally agree with your assessment.)
This aggression will not stand, man!
June 2, 2008 - 20:38 ET by jefflebowskiIran abides!
You know jeff........
June 2, 2008 - 21:24 ET by BEGRUNTI thought PC was dead on 9/11, boy was I wrong. Not only did it come back, but came back with a vengeance. Your absolutely right, it's going to take malls being blown up, and other attrocities to finally bring people to their senses.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
What should've been asked
June 2, 2008 - 16:33 ET by Great DebaterAnd, of course, no one at the SF Chronicle thought to ask:
"Then, Madame Speaker, if American soldiers had kept being killed at the rate they were pre-surge, whoever our next President is would have had little choice but to remove all troops from Iraq. Now, we may even set up a semi-permanent military base in Iraq. So, I ask Madame Speaker, with what evidence do you base that statement on, and also why do you suppose the Iranians did so?"
Oh, that's right, that question could've only come from a self-respecting, fair & balanced reporter ... as if any exist in San Fran.
"The media's cover-up of
June 2, 2008 - 16:40 ET by bigtimer"The media's cover-up of Nancy Pelosi's anti-U.S. troop comments is simply shameful."
That is putting it politely!
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Hmmm...
June 2, 2008 - 17:04 ET by inquiringmindHer statement is astounding on to fronts. First is that she admits that the Iranians are a major problem in Iraq and second that the surge didn't work. I don't know what her measure of success is but she must be reading different numbers than are being reported.
Actually I realise she is just spouting her Demo talking points but sheesh, what an idiot!
It never ceases to amaze me
June 2, 2008 - 17:09 ET by marvlIt never ceases to amaze me how many feet Nancy Pelosi can get into her mouth at one time. She would do well on the traveling carnival circuit. As a member of the U.S. Congress, however, she is a shameful disgrace.
Nancy Pelosi
June 3, 2008 - 00:55 ET by merlin61I can't believe the drivel that comes from this
woman's mouth. Ajad just stated this week again
that Israel will soon disappear, but the Iranians
are helpful? To quote another NB'er, she's
ucking futs. Now you know why Congres has
their lowest rating ever. Get the oil drilled
in our country Nancy. Get off your dead
butt and get moving on something that's going
to help this country instead of throwing us
under the bus every single day when you open
your mouth.
Pelosi is a treasonous dog
June 2, 2008 - 17:12 ET by sentforth5I mean, we can comment til tuesday and pick this apart, but she should be held for treason. That's what it is, plain and simple.
TREASON.
sf5... Could not agree
June 2, 2008 - 17:20 ET by bigtimersf5...
Could not agree more...along with half or more of Congress.
Murtha still has never apologized or Kerry for the insanity against our military.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Pelosi is a treasonous dog
June 2, 2008 - 17:14 ET by sentforth5double post
Push that agenda!
June 2, 2008 - 17:20 ET by MeanderingAll she is doing is pushing her agenda because she knows no one in the media will call her on it. Can you image what the liberal media would do if a republican said such things? I'm tired of these liberal bureaucrats saying whatever they wish while conservatives have to walk on eggshells or we are racist and sexist bigots. Ridiculous!
Unfortunately, the media
June 2, 2008 - 17:21 ET by Chris NormanUnfortunately, the media filters in place to sterilize Pelosi's comments are the same filters that will keep the MRC admonition from ever seeing the light of the MSM day.
This is the most
June 2, 2008 - 17:34 ET by FairlightThis is the most professional, effective way to expose fraud.
Thank you to MRC for making its mission to expose unethical journalism.
I cant remember the movie
June 2, 2008 - 17:59 ET by bubbatech01but the phrase says, "the greatest thing Satan accomplished was convincing us he didnt exist".
I completely agree with the above comments. The Iranians and other terrorist organizations are sitting back, watching Americans fawn over politicians that are trying to convince the american public that we really have no enemies. once we foolishly elect those people, the real war begins.
An enemy of my enemy is my friend, but a friend of my enemy is my enemy.
Anybody that gets an endorsement from my enemy, from an organization that has made it their mission to wipe me and my family from the face of the earth, is not my friend.
A liberal is merely a communist without the fortitude to admit it. - unknown
The Usual Suspects - The
June 2, 2008 - 18:47 ET by balboaThe Usual Suspects - The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
"The Usual Suspects - The
June 2, 2008 - 20:47 ET by MightyMouth"The Usual Suspects - The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."
Second only to the trick of convincing liberals that infidelity and lying is not an impeachable offense for an American president.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Who is
June 2, 2008 - 20:49 ET by harry flashmanKaiser Sosay?
bubba?
June 2, 2008 - 20:59 ET by MightyMouth:-)
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
#3 for POTUS
June 2, 2008 - 18:42 ET by NortoGet this treasonous viper out of the line of being POTUS.
they decided in Basra when
June 2, 2008 - 18:58 ET by taznarMuch like a boxer negotiates the end of the fight by lying unconscious in the middle of the ring.
What were the goals of the
June 2, 2008 - 18:59 ET by balboaWhat were the goals of the surge? I've been looking around and found this on Wiki, but, well, you know:
Progress IS being made
June 2, 2008 - 19:05 ET by UnsaneWell, balboa, you will be pleased to know that even The Economist is noting that the Iraqi PM has found his spine and has brought Basra and Sadr City to heel. So, it looks like that the Iraqis ARE exhibiting leadership.
The Iraqis are slowly getting fed up with the terrorists and are denying them safe havens.
Thus the other pieces you have listed are starting to fall into place.
Iraq is not a rose garden or a bowl of cherries, BUT at the same time, it is not as bad as the media of the Speaker wish to make it out to be.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
I've read more and more good
June 2, 2008 - 19:09 ET by balboaI've read more and more good news on Iraq lately, which is very promising. I'm trying to understand where Pelosi's coming from.
She can't deny the good
June 2, 2008 - 21:02 ET by motherbeltShe can't deny the good news, so the next best thing is to say we had nothing to do with it.
LOL mb... Dead
June 2, 2008 - 21:06 ET by bigtimerLOL mb...
Dead on!
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
bigtimer... Would you
June 2, 2008 - 21:17 ET by Jerbigtimer...
Would you please reply to my request posted earlier this evening?
Thanks, Jer
Jer... Frankly my
June 2, 2008 - 21:24 ET by bigtimerJer...
Frankly my dear...I don't give a damn.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Well, bt... I would have to
June 2, 2008 - 21:33 ET by JerWell, bt... I would have to put that comment right at the top of the list of "immature responses". You should be very proud.
Jer
;-) "Never
June 2, 2008 - 21:38 ET by bigtimer;-)
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Jer
June 2, 2008 - 21:43 ET by MrShyNot getting a whole lotta love around here these days, huh Jer? Sorry :(
But really, I also share everyone's full disdain for this woman, as she is ALL ABOUT being partisan even when it comes to a war our country is fighting... and WINNING! She simply spouts lies and creates an alternate-universe of "failure" on our part, solely for the benefit of her party.
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And as the Speaker of the
June 2, 2008 - 21:49 ET by BlazerAnd as the Speaker of the House she and Reid are the leadership and set the agenda. Not being a necessarily religious conservative, if there is a hell, may both of these traitors _ _ _ _ the barbed _ _ _ _ of Satan.
Fill in those blanks.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Spot-on analysis, MrShy...
June 2, 2008 - 22:22 ET by JerNot getting a whole lotta love around here these days, huh Jer? Sorry :(
Gee, ya think? :) I don't even know what my crimes are. I am aware of the general accusations, but if I dare ask for evidence, I mostly experience stone-cold silence, or occasionally dismissive nonresponsive quips like the one above. On the other hand, I can post a respectfully disagreeable comment or reply to another's post, and Dee--or sometimes bigtimer--will pounce almost before I have finished clicking the "Post comment" box.
It's truly mind-boggling.
Jer
As for Pelosi, I think her statements are certainly subject to criticism...but some of the rhetoric of the posts seemed way over the top. It was of the type for which Kos and HuffPost are continually skewered.
Jer, Public Enemy #1
June 2, 2008 - 23:53 ET by MrShy"but some of the rhetoric of the posts seemed way over the top. It was of the type for which Kos and HuffPost are continually skewered."
Yes, but, don't you see? We have completely legitimate reasons to hate this woman, and Reid, with a passion. The left loons, hating Bush and "BushCoRegime" to their core, simply do not. So, we see them as utter fools. We don't "believe" or "feel" Pelosi and Reid are lying, we have proof, in front of us, that they are.
:p
I'll agree that some of the posts you put in your list were to the extreme, but again, we all see what IS and IS NOT the reality of Iraq, and that woman is making sh*t up. Simple. And I agree with Blazer, others, that it's totally treasonous, and disgusting.
Regarding Dee Bunk and BT, I think they're just exhausted with all non-conservatives here, polite as you are, or otherwise, as they've been NB'ers for a lot longer than I have and engage a lot more on here. So, don't take it so personally. It's like me, when I go play basketball, not everyone there cares to be liked and like others, and I get disrespected by them (and I'm a pretty good player) and so, what do I do? I just don't play with them.
:)
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basketball simile
June 2, 2008 - 23:54 ET by shawn228Hi Mr Shy,
I hope you are having a great evening. I'm glad you like basketball, glad you are great player as well.
So you are playing a game of hoops and someone you try to ignore elbows you in the face. You ask why they did that, and 2 others jump in and say, this is our turf, we have been here longer than you, if you don't like it.....leave.
If you love the sport, like Jer and I love newsbusters, it is no so easy to ignore, if someone is constantly in your face.
Sorry Jer, did not mean to jump in here.
Sorry Jer, did not mean to
June 2, 2008 - 23:58 ET by bigtimerSorry Jer, did not mean to jump in here.
Yes you did.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Oh hi bt.
June 3, 2008 - 00:07 ET by shawn228Ok you caught me. Yes I did. Were you in this conversation or did you kind of bud in just like I did?
LOL shawn... Yeah...seems
June 3, 2008 - 00:12 ET by bigtimerLOL shawn...
Yeah...seems I was in this conversation since my name is mentioned here and there...know what I mean?
Whereas yours wasn't.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
well bt
June 3, 2008 - 00:19 ET by shawn228You said you did not give a damn what Jer thought, and I was making a point of how impossible it was "in a basketball simile" to ignore some people if you did not like what they said. Poof here you with a flagrant foul.
"Never murder your
June 3, 2008 - 00:28 ET by bigtimer"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
shawn & bt
June 3, 2008 - 00:51 ET by MrShy"here you are with a flagrant foul..."
Haha. Okay, now I regret ever starting the baskatball analogy :p
Shawn, at the courts I play at, there are many players, and the majority (not a big majority, but majority) are okay to deal with, so, yes, I can just not play again with the idiots and form games with the ones who make the game a bit more fun.
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For REAL Change
You have a great point MrShy
June 3, 2008 - 01:14 ET by shawn228Most players on this court are fun to play with, so when games are formed with the fun folks, some "in your words" idiots have to come in wreck it for everybody else and do it pretending to defend somebody else, when they are doing it for themselves.
You got it Mr. Shy - just fed up
June 3, 2008 - 00:09 ET by Dee BunkI hardly know Jer and have nothing personal against him. He came here at a time when I wasn't on much.
It used to be a lot better. There was a lot of camaraderie among the conservatives and no liberal would have got away with the way these liberals treat WTH and other conservatives here.
Now it's the pack of liberals that run around here united. It kind of mirrors what's happening with the Dems I guess. They constantly criticize people here and never criticize each other for being inappropriate. I never saw them jumping on Leon.
For Jer to compare this thread or any other to those hate sites is completely ridiculous.
It's fine that you think he's respectful. I don't. Comparing this site to those is not respectful and he should just go play over there if he wants to change the tone.
Dee...I did not "compare
June 3, 2008 - 01:14 ET by JerDee...I did not "compare this thread or any other to those hate sites". Nor did I compare "this site" to those hate sites.
This is what I did say:
As for Pelosi, I think her statements are certainly subject to criticism...but some of the rhetoric of the posts seemed way over the top. It was of the type for which Kos and HuffPost are continually skewered. [My emphasis]
I referred to language such as "somebody shut this stupid B*itch up"..."she screwed her brains out finding a rich man that would take her off the street"..."Pelosi is nothing more than a greedy, self-centered whore"..."Ms. Pelosi...you can go straight to hell"..."Run Pelosi's UnAmerican ass out of Congress". Those are a few of the examples I cited. Perhaps you find those descriptions appropriate. I don't.
I posted on another thread about my limited exchanges with Warner. I certainly have not mistreated him. I also asked you to read or reread my comments to you on your "science" thread. I tried very hard to understand "where you were coming from" and to reach an amicable accommodation with you. I regret that you don't respect me. I wish you did.
Jer
Jer... Just curious: Why
June 2, 2008 - 21:57 ET by Clear thinkerJer...
Just curious: Why do you think bt has to answer to you?
"Abstain from McCain"
Clear thinker...Dee had
June 2, 2008 - 22:30 ET by JerClear thinker...Dee had stated earlier that BT had exposed "various liberals pretending to be soldiers". I did not recall the incidents, so I asked Dee to explain, and also if the BT in her post was "bigtimer". Dee never responded. So, I posed the question to bigtimer. Bigtimer said she "didn't give a damn".
Jer
Jer... So in your
June 2, 2008 - 22:37 ET by Clear thinkerJer...
So in your superior ability to read people you took "didn't give a damn" as meaning "I will explain later"? Give it up Jer, we know what you are about and we don't give a damn.
"Abstain from McCain"
No, Clear...I interpreted
June 2, 2008 - 22:48 ET by JerNo, Clear...I interpreted "I don't give a damn" to mean exactly that, and that there would be no further explanation.
Do you mind sharing your knowledge of what I'm "about"?
Jer
Jer... "Do you mind
June 2, 2008 - 22:52 ET by Clear thinkerJer...
"Do you mind sharing your knowledge of what I'm "about"?
Not at all, just not with you!
"Abstain from McCain"
Clear...that was pretty
June 2, 2008 - 23:00 ET by JerClear...that was pretty much the response I anticipated.
Jer
Jer (and CT)
June 3, 2008 - 00:43 ET by MrShyThat was also.... pretty funny.
:p
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For REAL Change
Great response BT! very appropriate for his nonsense
June 2, 2008 - 22:36 ET by Dee BunkI accidentally typed BT in a post when I meant BD talking about how he used to bust the fake soldiers on the site. Jer is demanding proof of my serious accusation. Amusing.
Worry not Dee...Jer is
June 2, 2008 - 22:41 ET by bigtimerWorry not Dee...
Jer is all about Jer...and I don't give a damn.
<edit> Btw...I would be proud to be associated with any posts BD made to-boot.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Danke Sehr...
June 3, 2008 - 00:15 ET by BDDanke Sehr...
BD... I am in your
June 3, 2008 - 00:23 ET by bigtimerBD...
I am in your debt....I have learned a lot more than you think from you here on NBs.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Jer, what is with you?
June 3, 2008 - 03:09 ET by JWF1. The point of this site is "Exposing and Combating Liberal Media Bias" People come here because they agree with that point. Authors post articles that say "here, here is some bias" And people rightly get a little teed off. This is the 2nd time I have caught you telling people that they are overreacting. Giving comfort to the enemy tends to bring out the emotions of people. Quit telling us what level of emotion we should show! You are attempting to impose your will on other people.
2. We are not your google monkey. You want to make an accusation, make it. Don't expect other people to do the heavy lifting for you by googling every last little thing that was ever said ever to prove YOUR argument.
I would think that at some
June 2, 2008 - 21:04 ET by GregEI would think that at some point (maybe that point is arriving), Iraqis would say enough is enough begin to weed out the morons causing the chaos. If Iraqis can see that "hey, this is our country and we have a chance to take hold of our own destiny" then anythinig is possible. The number of Iraqis that want a peaceful life far outnumbers those who want chaos and destruction. Eventually, chaos and destruction will themselves be destroyed by those wanting a better life and a better country and who realize it's theirs for the building, just stand up and get er done.
"Eventually, chaos and
June 2, 2008 - 21:08 ET by MightyMouth"Eventually, chaos and destruction will themselves be destroyed by those wanting a better life and a better country and who realize it's theirs for the building, just stand up and get er done"
Excellent! pretty much the same thing that happened in the last 3 world wars!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
That’s right, Bal.
June 2, 2008 - 22:06 ET by needleIt is ridiculous to think that President Bush or General Petraeus had any intention of turning the tide of the war or – perish the thought, if you are a Liberal – winning it.
Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.
Needle, you're
June 2, 2008 - 22:31 ET by balboaNeedle, you're misunderstanding my question. I'm trying to find the intentions of the surge.
bal, the intentions of "the
June 2, 2008 - 22:39 ET by Blazerbal, the intentions of "the surge" was to provide a definitive knockout blow to Shia and Sunni extremists in Iraq,which worked/ is working, or if you like, to hurry up and try and actually win a war for a change, before once again the Democrats had us snatch defeat from the jaws of vicory.
Take your pick.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
boa... You're trying to
June 2, 2008 - 22:45 ET by bigtimerboa...
You're trying to find the intentions of the surge...
Are you freakin' kidding me?
Come on...what has happened to you?
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Maybe that was poor wording,
June 2, 2008 - 23:17 ET by balboaMaybe that was poor wording, BT. I know that, ultimately, the surge is to help us win the war. But I imagine there were specific goals given by someone in the White House. I'm trying to get a better understanding of the whole situation, that's all.
A better
June 2, 2008 - 23:24 ET by bigtimerA better understanding...come on surely you jest...it is to WIN...VICTORY against the enemy...simple as that boa ...and I know danged well you know that plain and simple.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
BT, were there or were there
June 2, 2008 - 23:38 ET by balboaBT, were there or were there not specific goals for the surge, given by the White House? Or did they just say, "We're going with the surge to win the war."
bal, shawn, et al
June 3, 2008 - 00:14 ET by MrShyStop -- pleeeeease stop -- deconstructing the "goals" of the surge, and if they "were met", yada yada....
We seem to have to educate all liberals on the fact that war is NOT like starting a company, where you have a mission statement, and you check things off. War is not perfect, and people die -- in the words of Jack Nicholson from "A Few Good Men" (only the non-evil version of him) -- and the surge was implemented to pull us out of the awful daily/weekly/monthly high death toll taking place from 2004-2006, secure the country, and pave the way for us to WIN THE WAR.
The surge was amazingly successful, and we are WINNING. Naturally, I'm ecstatic.
I also feel the world is way more safe now than it was just after 9/11.... waaaaay safer. Taking down the Sadaam regime, in the heart of the poisonous Middle East, promoting democracy in the process, is so far looking like a genius move, IMHO.
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MrS... Thank you. What
June 3, 2008 - 00:16 ET by bigtimerMrS...
Thank you.
What you stated is as simple as that.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Thanks BT :)
June 3, 2008 - 00:39 ET by MrShyI was in New York on September 11th, just 6 miles uptown from that horrible, dark event. We were all numb, and walking around like zombies, feeling so vulnerable and waiting for the next attack.
Bush is ridiculed about the "9 minutes where he sat there and did nothing", and I just laugh. A) There was nothing he could do until he was taken away by secret service. B) I'm sure his brain was spinning a mile a minute, realizing the historical moment he was in, and how his presidency would now be defined by this, and he might have already thought beyond Al Qeada and Afghanastan in those moments, for all we know.
In the MSM, it goes completely unnoticed how there has not been a major sponsored terrorist attack in the world in 3 years, and if you don't include London (as it was a bit hodge-podge, even though it did kill 50-plus which is horrible) than more than 4 years (Madrid).
What Bush declared immediately after 9/11 was dead-on, and it was a challenge to the world to stop this Muslim extremist madness head-on: "You're either with us, or with the terrorists." He took a lot of flack for that one, as well -- among so many of his courageous stances -- and yet, again, he was absolutely right. That's a real leader.
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This is what the surge is : It's the idea of WINNING
June 2, 2008 - 23:01 ET by upcountrywateriF WE PULL OUT like in viet nam, THE SAME thing will happen to the iraqis
BTW we are getting a large amount of OIL TODAY from Iraq our ALLIES!
Liberals62%
IranianUranium
Wow upcountrywater
June 2, 2008 - 23:25 ET by shawn228That is the like the 5th time I seen you use that clip.
Also are we getting more oil now, or before we invaded?
S,more now than ever, get up to date, Glad you like my clips ;-)
June 2, 2008 - 23:58 ET by upcountrywaterThe truth CAN'T be repeated enough!! NEWT IS ON IT!!
.Check out Feb March ,08
The Iraq flow is ALMOST as much as from your leftist buddie in Venezula. Give this massive project 5 more years and my corporation buddies at Halliburtion, will quadruple that flow...
Iraq are our ALLIES woo hoo
upcountry water
June 3, 2008 - 00:13 ET by shawn228Hey if you love that clip to each their own. Isn't Newt that one of the people that support the so called global warming myth? :-)
Don't get me wrong ucw, I don't want to retreat from Iraq, I wish we imported enough oil from them, so it could ease our prices at the pumps a little.
Logistics, logistics, logistics
June 3, 2008 - 00:24 ET by UnsaneDon't get me wrong ucw, I don't want to retreat from Iraq, I wish we imported enough oil from them, so it could ease our prices at the pumps a little. You really don't grasp logistics all that much, do you?
There IS a reason why we import so much of our oil from Happyland, Mexico, Colombia, Ecuador, Venezuela, Nigeria, Equatorial Guinea, and so on, BEFORE we start tapping Mideast sources.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Hey, aren't those the three
June 3, 2008 - 00:43 ET by NL207Hey, aren't those the three most important phases of any military operation? ;)
For NL207
June 3, 2008 - 01:05 ET by UnsaneNL, you sure know how to boost a loggie's ego. :-)
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Answer me this: How much
June 3, 2008 - 01:08 ET by NL207Answer me this: How much JP-5 does an F-4N burn in an hour at cruise? Now you know how much I like Loggie's.
F-4s
June 3, 2008 - 01:20 ET by UnsaneThe F-4s were...slightly before my time. I'll defer that question to the wisdom of the fuels personnel I have yet to have the good fortune to work with. :-)
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
You can imagine how I feel
June 3, 2008 - 01:44 ET by NL207You can imagine how I feel about that. The succcessor to the F-4, the F-14, has now been retired by the Navy after a very long and successful career.
I can help you with the question though, the F-4N was the late version of the thin-win