Barack Obama has finally resigned his membership in the controversial Trinity United Church of Christ.
Did the speech he gave actually resolve the issue or did his idea of "protecting" the church with his resignation make his words ring hollow?
Will Obama's radical associations come back to haunt him in the general election? Post your thoughts here.



















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Too little too late come
May 31, 2008 - 19:23 ET by Scout FinchToo little too late come November.
You can run, Balack Osama
May 31, 2008 - 19:27 ET by jefflebowskibut you'll never hide from the fact that nobody (with brains) doesn't see you for what you are. A white hating, liberal, socialist, fake!
You and Revrum Wright are joined at the hip for the rest of your deceitful life!
Jeff Lebowski, angry white dude
www.angrywhitedude.c...
I don't think he was "Running" away...
May 31, 2008 - 19:34 ET by JayTeeIt was rather a Slowww exit.....there was no running away.
He could have stayed in that Church, as he could watch the proceedings just about any day on CNN, Or ABC, NBC, etc....they were ALL broadcasting Trinity Sunday Sermons....he didn't have to even show up personally, as he could watch it on TV.
I will write this
June 1, 2008 - 05:29 ET by ChiefE9Hussein O has socialist/marxist ideas and he has questionable friends surround him. A criminal Retzko, a racist minister who he has stood by for 20 years, a homeland terrorist Ayers, and a PLO supporter.
And some want him in the White House. Are you stupid.
I don't think Hussein O. supports equal opporunity for all as he was a civil rights attorney!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the issue is closed---we
May 31, 2008 - 19:26 ET bythe issue is closed---we have MSM consensus--no debate needed
Support our Troops
botg... Bulls-Eye! "Neve
May 31, 2008 - 19:36 ET by bigtimerbotg...
Bulls-Eye!
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Wrong....."I am not denouncing the Trinity Church" as he said
May 31, 2008 - 19:40 ET by JayTeeHe just Resigned....the worship of Racists relations has not been "Denounced" and will continue in his absence.
This is gonna take awhile to go completely away....about 5 days of news cycles, until he makes another Gaffe.
...or another tape/video
May 31, 2008 - 19:43 ET by bigtimer...or another tape/video comes out...especially one starring his wife at the pulpit....heheheee
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
What's next?
May 31, 2008 - 19:51 ET by easygoerThe only thing left for Obama now is to divorce his wife.
LOL easy.... ...Over her
May 31, 2008 - 19:53 ET by bigtimerLOL easy....
...Over her dead body!
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
I didn't see the speech...I
May 31, 2008 - 20:12 ET by motherbeltI didn't see the speech...I saw that it was coming on and thought oh, good grief, another speech! Can't this guy do anything without a speech!? And I decided that was a good time to go upstairs and vacuum. LOL
Did he really say he was "protecting" the church? From what, bad publicity? So they can continue their racist rants without outsiders looking on?
Oh, right, he's not doing it for his own benefit; it's just one more selfless sacrifice by the Obamessiah.
What a load of hogwash. It's about time he quit; but he should have said he decided that their cultural beliefs weren't his beliefs any more you know, what with wanting to bring people together and all....
If he were really honest, he would have pulled a Clinton and said "to preserve my viability within the system." LOL
Campaign of Cutting Losses
May 31, 2008 - 20:16 ET by Gat New YorkI have never seen a presidential candidate engaged in cutting losses as much as Obama has had to.
This guy has already thrown so many people under the bus - from his white grandmother to the entire congregation of his church - that he is going to need a fleet of buses because of how many more he will need to get rid of.
I agree that it will be a matter of time before he unloads his foreign policy advisors and eventually his wife.
The bottomline is that Mr. Hopey Changey lacks good judgement and has zero character. Scott McClellan would fit in perfectly in an Obama Administration.
Gat
May 31, 2008 - 20:30 ET by the strugglerMr. HopeyChangey. Ha! I love it.
Jay at Wizbang calls him
May 31, 2008 - 20:45 ET by motherbeltJay at Wizbang calls him "The Living Embodiment of Changeful Hopeyness."
ROFL!
Change You Can Believe In
May 31, 2008 - 21:44 ET by Gat New YorkNow I know where the putz got that phrase.
He just never bothered explaining what kind of change.
Protecting the Church!
June 1, 2008 - 06:36 ET by NortoThere is real "audacity." Jesus does not need his protection, but the church(people) need to do a quick knee-drop ala 2Chronicles 7:14, or this nation is toast(a word I see used frequently in reference to Obama).
Hi mother......
May 31, 2008 - 20:40 ET by BEGRUNTI kind of did the same, the wife and I re-arranged the furniture in the living room, and I found out between my trip to and from the computer on my "authorized" breaks. Your right, why watch another teleprompter speech. I have to say with the right script, he sounds great, however when off the cuff, he sounds like a stuttering stammering fool. I have to agree with Gat, that he soon will need a fleet of busses for everyone he has to throw under them.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
I was wondering when
May 31, 2008 - 19:29 ET by BEGRUNThe would get around to throwing the whole shabang under the bus. If he wanted it to count for anything he should have done that years ago.....too late now, he's toast.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
No backbone or loyalty.
May 31, 2008 - 19:33 ET by ScrapironJust like McClellan he has proven to be a man without honor. I can see him running the country, something stinks badly in a town (church) so don't try to fix the stink, bury the entire town (church). That is leadership? I've thought since I heard of him that his only concern was the advancement of Islamic law in this country. Now he proves to be a phony Christian as many of us thought. If he has truly dumped Islam in the sewer where it belongs and became a christian he would already be dead, and meeting his 72 raisins without a head.
Old, Retired and glad of it.
He is a Trojan horse IMHO.
June 1, 2008 - 06:39 ET by NortoHe is a Trojan horse IMHO.
No backbone or loyalty.
May 31, 2008 - 19:33 ET by ScrapironJust like McClellan he has proven to be a man without honor. I can see him running the country, something stinks badly in a town (church) so don't try to fix the stink, bury the entire town (church). That is leadership? I've thought since I heard of him that his only concern was the advancement of Islamic law in this country. Now he proves to be a phony Christian as many of us thought. If he has truly dumped Islam in the sewer where it belongs and became a christian he would already be dead, and meeting his 72 raisins without a head.
Old, Retired and glad of it.
He said something that will
May 31, 2008 - 19:35 ET by ckc1227He said something that will raise even more questions about his choice of this church in the first place. Some folks have tried to defend his choice by saying he only chose this church because of the political connections it would afford him. He categorically denied this when asked about it, stating that if that were his goal, there were bigger, better, more politically connected churches in Chicago he could have chosen. He said(or implied) he took offense to any such implication. So, Obama, if that isn't the reason, why did you choose a racist, hate-preaching church? Maybe some of us just refuse to see the forest for all the trees.
Also interesting is he isn't leaving the church for anything that goes on there, or anything being taught there, he's leaving because of all the media attention they are getting.
This is from a Salon piece
May 31, 2008 - 20:58 ET by motherbeltThis is from a Salon piece on Obama and his church; the author references Obama's autobiography for some of his info:
In any American town, it's not uncommon for anyone launching a business enterprise that depends on name recognition and personal contacts to join the Lion's Club or the Rotary and one of the biggest churches on Main Street. In "Audacity of Hope," Obama is talking about networking when he describes what brought him to Wright's church in 1987.
He was a community organizer then, and one of the black ministers with whom he was consulting suggested that the work would go more smoothly if he joined a congregation. "It might help your mission," said the pastor, "if you had a church home ... It doesn't matter where, really." The pastor was talking about Obama's community organizing mission, but he was also giving him good advice about politics.
When Obama picked a "church home," he chose one that helped him with another weak spot in his biography. Before Obama joined Trinity United, Rev. Wright warned Obama that the church was viewed as "too radical ... Our emphasis on African history, on scholarship..." But Obama joined anyway. With that act, he had become significantly blacker -- and more like local voters. Part of the cultural divide between the half-Kenyan Hawaiian and his Chicago neighbors, most of them products of the Deep South's black diaspora, was bridged. (emphasis mine)
Interesting piece mother,
May 31, 2008 - 22:31 ET by DEVILDOCMOMconsidering it was from salon I assume it was meant to be a positive rah-rah article. I have to laugh at the quote from rev. totally wrong..."Our emphasis on...scholarship". Scholarship my foot.
MB
May 31, 2008 - 23:58 ET by BarkerGreat piece. This New York Post article last month adds to the story.
From the article:
"...Rev. Wright, as well as other senior members of his church,
believe that Obama has betrayed over 20 years of their supposed
friendship."
Obama further angered Wright by trying to distance himself from the
pastor ever since videos were made public earlier this year of the
preacher alleging that America brought 9/11 upon itself and that people
should say "God damn America," not "God bless America."
The source added, "After 20 years of loving Barack like he is one
of their own, after he was embraced by this congregation as a brother
in Christ, after his pastor was a father figure to him and gave him
credibility in a city he had not grown up in and in a black community
that was suspect of someone from Hawaii and Harvard, he thanks him by
not allowing him to speak publicly at his announcement last year?...
Name that school
May 31, 2008 - 19:44 ET by ricklailI watched a bit of the National Spelling Bee last night but did not see the end. I go up this morning and turned on ABC news to see who won. They were talking to the winner but they never mentioned what school he attended. So, I assumed he was home schooled. Had it been a government school they would have been bragging about it.
“A debate is a conflict which clarifies a position. A dialogue is a conversation which compromises a position.” –John E. Ashbrook, The New Neutralism II, P. 7
1988-2008
May 31, 2008 - 19:46 ET by oldusn07Now, we have closure on a 20 year association. We have disengagement from 20 years of crys of rascism, repression and hate in its meanest form. So we must now forget. No my friends. We must elect a President. We cannot forget. If we do, we shall pay, and pay, and pay. We must have change. We must change attitudes that infect like the 20 year infliction of Trinity Church in Chicago. That is not the change this country must endure. We cannot my friends, we cannot. Please, rollup your sleeves and fight for our country and our brotherhood. Oh, and that other little matter, we must protect our citizens against the enemy that swears to swim in our blood.
Amen
June 1, 2008 - 05:29 ET by cheesegraterPraise The Lord and pass the ammunition.
This changes nothing.
May 31, 2008 - 19:48 ET by R D HelmAs most Obama supporters wouldn't care if he was a flaming Satan worshipper.
Besides, McCain was too timid to go after Obama about his from the very beginning, and, therefore, has forfeited the right to bring it up in the campaign, IMHO.
In any event, McCain is still toast come November.
We are being smothered by government in this country. - Neal Boortz
McCain's idiocy
June 1, 2008 - 05:36 ET by cheesegraterSen. McCain has said that either BO or HC would make a good president while they hurl nothing but slanders at him.
too late
May 31, 2008 - 20:14 ET by paulnashtnBy resigning now Obama only draws more attention to why he stayed so close for so long and only NOW separates himself from a very racialy biased church and to the fact that he saw no need to separate himself for 20+ years
HOWEVER, if we now
criticize him for this past association we will be called racists
Seriously, this couldn't of
May 31, 2008 - 20:13 ET by bigtimerSeriously, this couldn't of been planned at a better time for this empty-suited enemy...he knew what was happening to him via the msm towards the end of the week with Phlager and his church, he knew the decision on Michigan/Florida would be exempting his problem today, he knows the Sunday shows are already booked with McClellan and his BS, plus the outcome from today regarding he seatings for Hill/Obama, he knows the msm will automatically drop this all now...gladly.
btw...when I say "he", I mean the machine behind him...he is an empty vessel with zilch for brains.
Politics ain't called a blood sport for nothing.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Good catch, bt....I hadn't
June 1, 2008 - 06:45 ET by motherbeltGood catch, bt....I hadn't thought about the "timing" thing.
It's true, politicians love to unload bad news on the weekend, but you're right...the McClellan thing is front and center this Sunday. Obama will mostly be a post-script. .... I'm sure the talking heads will bring it up to their guests, but it won't be the main focus. You know they would rather bash Bush than talk about this!
ON a related note, I just read this at Politico:
At a news conference in Aberdeen, S.D., after the news emerged on the blog of a black journalist in Chicago, Obama said he and his wife, Michelle, had notified the church in a letter Friday that they “were withdrawing as members of Trinity,” in part because of “a cultural and a stylistic gap.”
And:
he could not live with a situation where everything said in the church, including comments by a guest pastor, “will be imputed to me, even if they conflict with my long-held, views, statements and principles.”
No, Senator, you shouldn't be held responsible for what everyone says there, but it does cause people to wonder why you would align yourself to, and stay with, a church with which you have such “a cultural and a stylistic gap.”
Anyone paying attention to
May 31, 2008 - 20:24 ET by GameGridAnyone paying attention to this entire situation will see Obama's real intentions, which are solely for politcal gain. I admit that I expected him to cut ties like most politicians would right after Rev. Wright but it's pretty pathetic that he's only doing it now that more comments have come along from a guest pastor. I believe that had these things never made it to the media he'd still be there, he's just trying to save his political career. I take much more offense to his borderline communist ideology than his religious ties although at least this focus on his radical associations have helped bring his far-left ideology to light.
GG... I think I agree
May 31, 2008 - 20:34 ET by bigtimerGG...
I think I agree with all of your post...the only thing I want to verify is the church is just as communistic/America hating, let alone whitey hating as anything concerning his ideology or he would not of stayed twenty years...I do not think it was all for politics, I think it is who he is and what he believes, along with Michelle, no, especially Michelle.
I guess what I am trying to say is his religious beliefs are the same ideology as his political beliefs...communistic.
...."Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
I definently agree - I
June 1, 2008 - 09:51 ET by GameGridI definently agree - I guess I meant to say that the only reason he is leaving is for politics, otherwise it probably pains him to leave a church whose ideology has had a part in crafting his own. I wonder now if he'll be joining a different church or if he will avoid doing so until after the election. If he does join one beforehand I'm sure it will be one that seems to not have any radical elements in it just so he can be careful and put on even more of this ridiculous saint-like image for the msm.
At least if the rumor is true that the RNC has a video of Michelle giving an inflammatory speech at his former church it won't be something he can brush off just because he cut ties with them as it was his wife making the speech and not a pastor/friend this time around. But we'll have to wait and see.
He's Lying
June 1, 2008 - 11:35 ET by cheesegraterBO said that he was saddened to leave TUCC. That tells me if it didn't matter politically he would stay.
»→ Gotta laugh
May 31, 2008 - 20:29 ET by Cool ArrowIt was the Conservative blogs, Talk Radio, and FOX News that prodded this on.
Make no mistake, if he didn't know his church was a hive of racemongers, he wouldn't be kicking them to the curb right now. He'd be lashing back in righteous indignation.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
The "Background" at Trinity, was the story, not the Pfleger guy
May 31, 2008 - 20:33 ET by JayTeeThe Dancning in the Isles behind the "Sermon" was the BIG story to me...not the Catholic preacher...although he was in Rome, doing as the Romans do...so to speak.
CA... Exactly
May 31, 2008 - 20:37 ET by bigtimerCA...
Exactly right...
Plus this is one time Hannity deserves big kudos....he has been at this for over a year now, on his radio show and H&C....he has never quit til he got the message out there...loud and clear.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
It was said in this thread
May 31, 2008 - 20:32 ET by Pete WilsonIt was said in this thread more eloquently that I can, but here goes: He joined that church for political reasons, and he has now quit for the very same reasons.
He is just another Chicago politician. Nothing more, and nothing less. I am waiting for his "diciples" to finally realize this. Probably will not happen until he is already in office, taking this country down the drain.
let's all rejoice.
May 31, 2008 - 20:42 ET by crsheddlet's all rejoice. conservatives have forced a man to denounce the man who brought him to christ.
let's all rejoice. conservatives have forced a man to leave the only church he knew.
let's all rejoice. conservatives like the kind of pastors that mccain actively seeks support from.
maybe obama should join hagee's church and rail against the 'great whore' of religion. then conservatives can really rejoice. because that seems to be acceptable speech.
I would argue that you've
May 31, 2008 - 20:51 ET by ckc1227I would argue that you've started drinking early tonight, but it's not that early, and crazy talk comes natural to a lot of libs, no alcohol required.
Oh puhleeze
May 31, 2008 - 20:52 ET by bigtimerOh puhleeze crshedd...
Give me a break...Waah...Waaah... Waaaaah...
Conseratives didn't do any forcing...you may want to try the msm and sock-puppet himself...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
McCain threw his under the
May 31, 2008 - 21:02 ET by general companyMcCain threw his under the bus also? I would not want either of these guys as my friend. I am thinking none of this has jack to do with religion.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
IF
May 31, 2008 - 22:36 ET by DEVILDOCMOMbho hoo hoo was a strong confident leader who believed in his church he would have stuck by his church. Yet another case of his failure as a man. BTW, are you sure this is the "only church he knew" ? Where was he the first 30 (or whatever) years of his life?
crshedd, if you have evidence that McCain sat in Hagee's church
May 31, 2008 - 22:47 ET by R D Helm...for two solid decades, then please present it here.
There is a stark difference between an endorsement from a pastor that one has never met, and a twenty-year association with one.
Of course, that rather linear concept is utterly light-years beyond your limited comprehension.
We are being smothered by government in this country. - Neal Boortz
let's all rejoice.
May 31, 2008 - 23:02 ET by BDlet's all rejoice. conservatives have forced a man to denounce the man who brought him to christ.
let's all rejoice. conservatives have forced a man to leave the only church he knew.
huh?
May 31, 2008 - 23:13 ET by candanceWright brought Obama to the kind of Christ where the Sermon on the Mount is about gay marriage and Muslims have a special relationship with Jesus.
Furthermore, if a Klan member helped Robert Byrd learn about Christ would be you be equally supportive?
As to conservies forcing him to leave, we did no such thing. He knew we weren't going to vote for him regardless but needed independents to win. So, in essence, they forced his hand.
Wow, people on NB like John Hagee? Show me ONE example of an NBer who said such.
Seriously, do you just make stuff up as you go along?
Pastor Hagee
June 1, 2008 - 06:53 ET by NortoI have no reason to dislike him nor his messages. If you have knowledge of the Bible, you would know he has done his footwork. Also, he is free to have his opinions about scripture, we do not have to agree with them all.
Watch Hagee's show sometime. He is brilliant, though I do not always concur.
So, a NBer who does not dislike JH.
Say HUH?
June 1, 2008 - 01:25 ET by pbthinkerYou're blaming this on Conservatives? Hey, Obama didn't have to do a thing to please "conservatives", they weren't going to vote for him anyway. As far as I'm concerned, he can go and listen to Pastor Wright every Sunday. In fact I'm sure, in D.C., there are churches similar to his that he could attend any time he wants.
The point is, and in some ways you've really nailed it, he believes as you do. He sees nothing wrong with his church and decided to quit because of the media attention the church was getting. To me, that's not the reason to quit something you believe in. So, since he still hasn't said the right things, this will haunt him. Not with Conservatives but with white, middle class, swing voters who he has to get to win the election.
If you believe he's closed the deal, with this little speech, then we'll have to agree to disagree.
Democrats: Stuck on Stupid since 2000.
Cathedral of Hate
May 31, 2008 - 21:34 ET by PaarlObama's outlook is completely shaped by 14 years (him plus his wife) in the PC Ivy League and by 40 years (him and his wife)
in that damnable cathedral of hate and he will never be able to alter his world view or adjust to changing environments/situations. Despite resigning he can in no way
separate himself from that cathedral of hate. It is now the job of our vaunted 4th estate to keep the voting public informed...lotsa luck!!! ;>)
I grew up in a very RED ideological family (red diaper type)
and to this day...despite 17 years in abroad..and many differing experiences...your first ideological home is tough to shake...Barrack is Leninist in orientation and approach if not Marxist in his economic views...ie state ownership etc...
It is truly frightening..the prospect of this man as president....
Paarl
Obama now can't hide his true Muslum motivation
May 31, 2008 - 21:37 ET by blogonatorI'm glad he quit rather than continue to duck and dodge his way out of the pastor wright. I always knew that the msm and Barak Osama used Wright as a cover for his muslum faith. Now he cant hide and you can tell his scared in his press conference. It wont be long before the msm can no long sit on its hands and hide his radical beliefs. If they dont, maybe hillary will asasinate him like rfk!
As usual...cute by half
May 31, 2008 - 21:42 ET by bigtimerAs usual...cute by half blogo...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Next Race
May 31, 2008 - 21:49 ET by Gat New YorkSome New York political analysts said recently that, as a result of this campaign, Hillary may have a very tought time getting re-elected.
I will bet that Obama will have an even tougher time.
Also kudos to McCain for taking advantage of Obama's stone silence after one of his pastors slandered Hillary in Obama's church. McCain took the high road while Obama has to spend his time finding more people to throw under the bus.
This man has no character and one must question his moral fabric - if he has one.
As Barry would say....
May 31, 2008 - 22:13 ET by Logic over emotionerrr eh aughhhhhh errrr ahhhh anda anda ummm uughaa errr
FOR PETE'S SAKE SPIT IT OUT!!!!
This guy makes my head hurt when he isn't using a teleprompter.
Here is a Democrat who is PO'ed at Obama and the Dems
May 31, 2008 - 22:34 ET by JayTeeThis Lady talks like a Jerimiah Wright, and isn't too happy with the Democratic Party....A brand NEW McCain Supporter
Link From Free Republic
JayTee... That was
May 31, 2008 - 22:53 ET by bigtimerJayTee... That was fun!
McCain depends on this, sure isn't us conservatives...long wait til Nov. though...gonna' be interesting.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
That is hilarious!
June 1, 2008 - 08:06 ET by motherbeltThat is hilarious!
Did she call Obama "inadequate" ?????? (All you Boomers remember the hotel scene in "The Graduate"?)
ROFLMAO!!!!
Jay Tee
June 1, 2008 - 10:45 ET by iveseenitall"I can be called white, but you can't be called black. That's not the America I grew up in", the lady said on this video. Then the jerky reporter laughed--- after she left! Watch out you media libs, the backlash is coming.
Who is Barry Sotero?
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal'
It's a tacit admission of 20 years of bad judgement
May 31, 2008 - 22:35 ET by DaMavperiod
Obama's strategic retreat from his "church"
May 31, 2008 - 22:43 ET by lgeubankHe's shown his true colors already. He's sat through too many anti-white Nuremberg rallies to feign innocence.
Why did he attend for 20 years? Because he liked it. He was and is in sympathy with the venomous black bigotry of Wright and the rest. It's the bigotry of Obama's hopey-hope changeful expectorations.
Ige... You are so
May 31, 2008 - 23:00 ET by bigtimerIge...
You are so right.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
The denouncement of Obama
May 31, 2008 - 22:55 ET by JerFor a couple of reasons, my critcism of NBers reaction to Obama's resignation from the TUCC must be muted. 1. After all, it's politics and the election is just a few months away, and 2. Obama must bear much of the blame for his predicament.
That said, there is a certain irony [though not particularly surprising] regarding the chronology and trajectory of the controversy. Initially, Obama was fiercely denounced for his putative Muslim associations. This required him to publicly focus on his Christian bona fides and the church which he had been attending for the past twenty years. When the [appalling] Reverend Wright videos surfaced, he was fiercely denounced for his long relationship with the "America-hating" minister. Consequently, Obama delivered his generally well-received racial harmony speech in which he repeatedly repudiated Wright's divisive oratory. Undeterred, his critics fiercely denounced Obama's failure to completely sever his relationship with Wright. After Wright made further intemperate comments about Obama behaving as a "politician", their relationship was then severed. Still, this was insufficient to silence his detractors...who then fiercely denounced Obama for continuing his membership in a "racist" church. And now that his resignation from TUCC has been effected, Obama is fiercely denounced because it is "too little, too late" and it doesn't change the fact that he is a "communist".
I think it is clear that Obama's behavior, actions, and responses are really not important so much as finding reasons--and, make no mistake, more will be found--to fiercely denounce him.
Jer
Who's right?
June 1, 2008 - 01:39 ET by pbthinkerWhy does you criticism have to be muted? Obviously, there are a lot of problems, for a national politician, being associated with a church like TUCC. The biggest problem is one that the Senator hasn't addressed nor, do I believe, he's capable of addressing, which is how did he sit in those aisles for over 20 years? The CD's that surfaced, of Reverend Wright's sermons, were for sale. These were sermons the Reverend was proud of. Obviously, from his press conference at the National Press Club, these were views he had no difficulty expressing so why would we believe that the Senator never heard this sort of rhetoric before?
Senator Obama will never be elected if the voting public has to sacrifice all of their common sense to vote for him. Senator Obama will never be elected if he can't explain why he couldn't figure out, in 20 years, what Oprah figured out in 2 years. If it's important for Oprah to be more mainstream, in appearance, to be successful, why on earth wouldn't the Senator believe he has to be more mainstream to be elected President of the United States?
I'm not worried about what Obama sees in the people he hangs with that, to me, is just poor judgement on his part. What I am worried about is what these ideological people see in Senator Obama! These people, the radical believing group of political activists he's associated with in Chicago, wouldn't just support anyone and they've chosen Senator Obama. Why?
Democrats: Stuck on Stupid since 2000.
Good questions, pb...
June 1, 2008 - 01:44 ET by JerGood questions, pb...answers tomorrow.
Jer
Answers are good.
June 1, 2008 - 09:12 ET by pbthinkerLooking forward to it.
Democrats: Stuck on Stupid since 2000.
But . . .
June 1, 2008 - 00:58 ET by JohanBut . . . who will now teach Barack and Michelle's daughters their spiritual lessons?
Johan... Why they will
June 1, 2008 - 01:06 ET by bigtimerJohan...
Why they will have private lesson don't you know?
....at tax-payer expense to-boot...heck he earmarked enough for that church it will cover for his girls til they are of age.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Dems stuck on defeat
June 1, 2008 - 04:18 ET by Parker1227Obama is damaged goods and the Dems know it (though they won't admit it). But they will stick with him because they would rather loose the White house then destroy their party. Handing it to Hillary would risk alienating both Black voters and the new George Soros/Moveon.org Uber-left - two crucial and powerful constituencies.
The Dems' crackpot delegate allocation rules favored Obama in a massive way. Densely democrat (mostly urban) districts across the country are "awarded" more delegates per voter, disenfranchising suburban and rural Dems everywhere - the kind of people more likely to vote for Hillary.
Unfortunately for the democratic party, these same Hillary voters will break heavily for McCain when given the option of a far left "Messiah" vs. a mostly centrist war hero.
Nail
June 1, 2008 - 05:34 ET by usinkoreaThat sounds like a nail being hit on the head to me.....Good thoughts...
The Unholy Trinity
June 1, 2008 - 06:50 ET by Jack BauerJack,
June 1, 2008 - 14:28 ET by Indiana JoeNow, that's FUNNY!!!
thanks Indiana... at least
June 3, 2008 - 06:18 ET by Jack Bauerthanks Indiana... at least somebody wants me!
No Sense
June 1, 2008 - 05:25 ET by usinkoreaIt isn't surprising, but it doesn't make much sense now.
If he had denounce Rev. Wright (and maybe stopped going to the church) when the video and audio pieces made big headlines, he could have gotten some cover by the play. More people would have bought the idea such thoughts were not the norm in the church and that Obama was only now coming to see the radical-ness of it.
With all the defense the press has played for him on all issues - he could have minimized the church issue as much as he could have ever hoped for in order to possibly keep swing voters.
But, he didn't go that route, and it quickly became too late.
The issue is pretty much set: the media has shown they will run as much defense for Obama on this issue as they economically can.
The conservative outlets (like this blog) have shown they have enough reach as media to keep the issue an issue in the voting masses.
The conservative outlets have shown there is enough in the well to keep drawing this water.
And amazingly, key figures in Obama's past related to the church have shown they have a tendancy to keep on rolling despite damage they are doing to his campaign.
The die were cast when Obama failed to distance himself from the church immediately.
Now, no significant amount of voters who were going to leave him over the church issue are going to remain with him just because he denounced the church by dropping out today.
If the Republicans and others were going to peel away voters over this issue, they are probably slightly more likely to be able to do so with this transparent ploy...
Obama should have stuck with the horse he road in on. You can't erase 20 years of affiliation mid-stream in an election cycle.
I thought the Wright contreversy, coupled with other things, made him unelectable - this time.
If he had given it his best shot this time ---- and kept saying the church issue was a non-issue and let the press pound and pound and pound the masses over the head with the same message ---- he might have won ------ but if he hadn't ---
---- he could have started at another church, gained needed experience on a national level, and stood a good chance of effectively burying the church issue in the 2012 election.
Now, in 2012, who knows how much the church issue will play ---- but this ploy will be viewed as a ploy then too and do some little damage of its own.
it took him too long
June 1, 2008 - 07:21 ET by CatherwoodObama quote from his letter:
"This was one I didn't see coming," Obama said Saturday when he asked if he had anticipated the firestorm that would erupt over his relationship with Wright.
OK the man is running for president of the United States and his pastor/madman says to him, "God damn America." It takes Obama six years to figure out that that comment is going to be a problem for him that he did not see coming. Anyone that slow on the uptake has no business being or ever even being considered a person of presidential timbre. His assumption that he was not going to be affected by such words only goes to show that his arrogance stands in the way of sound judgement. I would predict that if he is elected president America is going to fall on some really tough times. (The first real problem, for example, will raise its ugly head when President Obama puts The Ice Queen in charge of health care; there go the first three blocks of the neighborhood. )
quick question
June 1, 2008 - 07:28 ET by CatherwoodAre there enough voters in America to stop Obama from being elected president? Voting for McCain is like having your prostate checked. Will the turn out be enought to stop Obama? It seems to me that the media and the dem turnout represents a bigger voting block than the one that can be mustered by Republicans. There are not enough voters who will go to the polls to support McCain; Obama will walk through that open door. Ah, Michelle as first lady---that's just great.
McCain
June 1, 2008 - 22:12 ET by pbthinkerThe question is not about McCain, it's about the Democrats. I feel sorry for Democrats if the best they have to offer the American people, for 8 years, is Al Gore, John Kerry, and Barack Obama. They have to be kidding.
I can't see Obama winning, in the fall, because he has too many shortcomings and problems. McCain couldn't ask for a more perfect candidate. Had the Democrats nominated someone with more experience, such as a Joe Biden, McCain could have had problems because the public would have been able to choose among experienced people and voted for the change. Now, they have Obama and he's proving himself to be not ready for prime time.
When you listen to the comments of his spiritual advisers you take a step back and ask why Obama listened to this stuff, week in and week out, if he didn't believe it. Why couldn't Obama debate these people and tell them the harm they were doing and the hate they were generating? This has nothing to do with his church, or whether he likes his church, you have to assume that someone that stayed in the church for 20 years loved it. It's about what was said and how it affected his consciousness and how he wanted to raise his children and what they would be exposed to. It's about his wife's comments, but only to the extent that, after listening to Reverend Wright, she probably wouldn't have a lot of pride in her country. I know if my source of spiritual guidance was Reverend Wright, I wouldn't have a lot of pride in my country.
Those are some of the problems associated with Obama and his church, which he hasn't addressed. It's really complex but, bringing up Reverend Hagee isn't going to change Obama's problems and it's not going to color McCain differently.
Democrats: Stuck on Stupid since 2000.
WaPo lied AGAIN
June 1, 2008 - 07:39 ET by sarcasmoAnd note a number of people here accepted the slander hook, line, and sinker when it first appeared here. Sorry, guys. Lie busted by Manystrom of the DailyPaul site. It would be nice if other media focused groups could bust antilibertarian bias this-obvious, but "nice" ain't reality... And as usual my math was off, it's looking more like 0.006% than just "less than 1%" as I said. You can like Ron Paul or dislike Ron Paul, but media bias is media bias, and obviously no site has a monopoly on busting it these days.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Obam Quits Church
June 1, 2008 - 08:09 ET by rdjjpmA white nut preacher acting like a black nut preacher was just too much for Obama.
Illinois
June 1, 2008 - 08:24 ET by JWFChicago democratic voters override us downstate little farm town voters. If he turns off enough Chicago voters, he may lose his home state.
For you guys, it is defeating him in the November Presidential election.
We are looking forward to booting this guy the next time he comes up for Senator. I hope you won't forget us in a few years.
Rejected for Political Reasons, not Theological ones
June 1, 2008 - 08:27 ET by NosterrexBHO left this radical leftist and racist congregation for political reasons, not theological ones. He did not reject the black liberation theology it teaches, which is at heart Marxist in scope, and he did not reject the anti-White racism of that church. Not only did he not reject these, but he is also playing the victim card, that is he left Trinity because all the media attention was hurting the shut-ins. I actual feel sorry for BHO, for he has never experienced the true teachings of the Christian faith. He has only heard the ravings of political activism.
R.E.M. Song appropriate
June 1, 2008 - 11:16 ET by Logic over emotionLosing My Religion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7vs21ZKrKM
Thats me in the corner
Thats me in the spotlight
Losing my religion
Trying to keep up with you
And I dont know if I can do it
Oh no Ive said too much
I havent said enough
I thought that I heard you laughing
I thought that I heard you sing
I think I thought I saw you try
Every whisper
Of every waking hour im
Choosing my confessions
Trying to keep an eye on you
Like a hurt lost and blinded fool
Oh no Ive said too much
I set it up
That's demeaning one of my
June 1, 2008 - 16:29 ET by Lord ElicaniThat's demeaning one of my favorite songs.
Murrow turning over in his grave
Murrow turning over in his grave
Ed Murrow had a child and the damn thing went wild
- Lindsey Buckingham
The end of freedom? Is slavery our future?
June 1, 2008 - 11:45 ET by w0tmChurch affliliations and all the other often manufactured side issues it seems Obama and the far left use to confuse and occupy the media with while their true plans are rapidly coming together has been stunningly successful ( for them).
MoveOn.Org (a.k.a.George Soros) really does now own the DNC. Their declaration was not an idle boast.
Why is the "man behind the curtain" of the coming demise of Western (free) civilization almost never mentioned? If you or ayone has the means and luck to analyze any far left organization, association or candidate, George Soros is almost always discovered to be the fountainhead. Can it be? Can more than half of our fellow citizens be ready and eager to turn their lives over to a demagogue?
How could this have happened all the while the media was crying crocodile tears that conservatism and individual rights was taking over our country. When anyone with any intelligence at all could clearly see that couldn't have been further than the truth.
We will not be electing Obama (or McCain). We will be electing George Soros as the ultimate demagogue. Why? What does he really want? Is there anything that can stop him? Alas, I don't think so. He "owns" all three presidential candidates and most far left politicians and organizations not just in our country but world-wide. Is he the "one world government" I always dismissed as conspiracy believers with no credibility and no proof? Have I been wrong?
Whoever is elected and most of the other newly elected politicians at all levels surface with a single hard left socialist agenda will they continue to hide their true beliefs and purposes continuing to lead us so very slowly to a civilization few would vote for if accurately presented to them today or will they move quickly finally possessing the power and authority to do so? Based on all demagogues of the past, when they finally attained that ultimate and complete power I think we can count on immediate and far reaching changes. Few can imagine the rapid changes we will be subjected to in the few short years ahead. It will be frightening and righfully so. When Germans cast their ballot for Hitler they could never have imagined in less than fifteen years 100 million people would be dead and their country and all they hold dear reduced to ashes.
This will NOT happen slowly. There will be few places to hide. Our future appears to be sealed and it is one many of us will not survive. I ask again, why? Who but a small number of elites will benefit. I guess history has shown if even ONE elite demagogue rules the world it is all worth it to him. But not to six billion other people.
They better
June 1, 2008 - 15:52 ET by wiley catCalling the question and begging the question: They better come back to haunt him. No amount of disassociation will "clean him up" from his radical "associations", because that is who he is.
What hasn't been made clear by the media is that without a detailed, thorough, and complete renunciation of the philosophies and mentors he has been raised with and by whom he has been groomed and backed, the marxist radical training he has had, and his current guise of flying under the flag of faux-christianity (liberation theology, peace-as-capitulation) on a ship of class warfare, national socialism and african nationalism. Quite a combination, no? What is so dangerous and radical about that combination, one might ask?
If we don't wake up, and re-crystallize our own agendas to protect and maintain the values we cherish, we are close to finding out what is so dangerous and radical.
There has also been a curious and pointed refusal on the point of the media to even mention the name of Saul Alinsky, and that association is the most dangerous of all, IMHO, because he taught radicals to "fly under the radar" and "blend in" with whatever environment they found themselves, and to implement their strategies for the implementation of radical socialist policies gradually under the supposed unassailable motivation of good intentions: i.e., protecting "the neglected", for the "good" of those who "cannot take care of themselves", and in the name of the "working poor".
What is so interesting is that Hillary Clinton had the same training and hardening under Saul Alinksy's strategies for gaining and maintaining power with a radical socialist agenda, and wrote her thesis about him. What would be difference between them, except that we really do know who Hillary is, to a greater degree than we do Obama?
There is NO "anthropogenic" Global Warming. NONE.
Wiley Cat
June 1, 2008 - 17:10 ET by BarkerExcellent analysis. Alinsky should be brought front and center during the general election. Even the radical priest Pfleger called Alinsky his "role model". I'm becoming convinced that the Obama candidacy is the result of a leftist/media/terrorist axis of evil hell bent on destroying the United States, overtly and covertly. Obama is a Trojan Horse, and is very, very dangerous.
Only a landslide defeat of Obama, a sound repudiation of all he and his ilk stand for, will assure me that America is not in as much trouble as I think she is.
I mentioned this previously
June 1, 2008 - 22:20 ET by pbthinkerI mentioned this previously but it bears repeating. What Obama was thinking, in the pews at church, is one thing and he still hasn't explained that. It stretches the imagination to believe he never heard the rhetoric people have found offensive, before in church.
That being the case, we have some liberal ideologs that have adopted Obama. People, like them, don't just support anyone. They are set in their beliefs and they support people that believe as they do, otherwise they just stand by and let things happen. In Obama's case, they hold fund raisers for him, bring in support for a state senate run. Bring in more support for a U.S. Senate run then, once he's in office, run him for President right away, before people realize what he's all about, and how little experience he really has.
Had the media done their jobs, the Democrats wouldn't be in this fix with Obama. They're going to have to cover-up a lot of sins and it's not going to be pretty.
Democrats: Stuck on Stupid since 2000.
What is harder to believe
June 2, 2008 - 08:33 ET by BDWhat is harder to believe is that he missed the immature antics of his fellow church members who obviously so enjoy the blatant political sermons that they rush the alter to touch Rev Wrights robes while he makes the inflamitory statements.