For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: Hillary plays the gender card, and blames her second-place showing on sexism and misogyny.
Is there anything to this, or is this just another smokescreen by the Clintons to blame their horrible campaign on others? Are Hillary's high unfavorable ratings in polls due to her gender, or because she's really a dislikable person? Has Hillary in anyway been mistreated by media for sexist or misogynist reasons, or is this just another Democrat behaving like a sore loser?
On another level, isn't it interesting that one Democrat candidate is having difficulty winning the nomination supposedly due to racism while the other Democrat candidate is suffering from sexism? Aren't Democrats all supposed to be feminists and totally impartial about such things as race? Isn't it supposed to be Republicans that are the sexist, misogynist racists? Don't these complaints by the candidates suggest that the left have been lying to the public for decades about the Democrats being the more open-minded, equal opportunity, socially responsible, politically correct Party?
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It's the victim card
May 25, 2008 - 10:43 ET by BlondeSheesh!
For the smartest woman in the world, Hillary is just plain stupid. It's her own idiot mouth that got her where she is today. Good riddance!
And I'm still waiting for the epic meltdown.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
I agree Blonde but
May 25, 2008 - 11:07 ET by Dee BunkIf this race were between Hillary and McCain the media would be all about forwarding this narrative. They like Obama better just like they like Dems better and she is treated like Republicans are treated because of it. Not quite as bad as Republicans but definitely not fairly.
At the same time that they are running around criticizing her for this, they are promulgating the whole "racism" thing to everyone who doesn't vote for Obama. Obama doesn't have to outwardly espouse that theory because the media do it for him.
I can't stand Hillary or her tactics, but they are no different than Obama's or the MSM or the rest of the Dems. The sexism, racism, homophobia, hating of poor people cards are always fair game against the candidate they don't support but when the candidate they don't support brings it up then it's race baiting etc...
Dee
May 25, 2008 - 11:18 ET by BlondeI truly despise the incessant playing of the victim card. It's a tactic that total losers use. (Think Al Gore & John Kerry and their whining that the elections were "stolen" from them).
Hillary and Obama merely continue the paradigm. That way, when they lose, they won't feel so awful about their bad ideas and crummy campaign tactics.
Losing losers all the way. And Hillary's insistence on playing this out to the bitter (oops, I said the "b" word) end will hopefully destroy the Clinton influence on American politics.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
I whole heartedly agree Blonde
May 25, 2008 - 11:48 ET by Dee BunkIt's a disgusting tactic and the regular tactic of all Dems and their accomplices in the MSM. Dems never have a problem with it except when it's used against a candidate they support.
I mean just look how obsurd it is that Hillary is being attacked for it at the same time they are all using the race card for Obama.
They are all every bit as disgusting. Romney and Huckabee never complained of the "religion" card being used against them even though it clearly was (by the MSM not other Republican candidates or their campaigns).
The MSM use every tactic possible to get rid of candidates they don't like and then claim "professionalism" in not forwarding true stories like the swift boat veterans who they dismiss as "divisive".
The MSM and the dems have no moral fabric. The ends always justifies the means for them.
GOP Strategy Missing In Action
May 25, 2008 - 11:16 ET by zeestephenWhy did the GOP fail to preemptively bring up racial and sexism issues after each Democratic primary election?
Each time Obama won, Republicans should have innocently and persistently asked if Hillary lost because of sexism.
Each time Clinton won, Republicans should have innocently and persistently asked if Obama lost because of racism.
The Democrats would have been forced to deny, again and again, that there is bias in their Party.
Numbers like 92% of blacks voting for Obama would have made Democratic denials look absurd.
Bingo!
May 25, 2008 - 11:00 ET by Mark_for_SenateAs a group, the democrat party is the largest compilation of racists, sexists, bigots and homophobes ever in existence. Further more, all of the things they accuse Republicans and all conservatives of is merely projection of WHAT THEY ACTUALLY ARE, only on a scale of at least ten time worse. They must be removed from EVERY level of public service, because they are simply incapable of serving the public. They thrive on serving themselves, and are quite good at it. Wake up America!
To know and not do, is to not yet know
Right on!
May 25, 2008 - 11:41 ET by pickerseniorIn addition, they have no concept of reality, and cannot cope with the world as it really is. History to them is in some old dusty book that they seem incapable of reading.
"If liberals didn't live it, it doesn't exist"
Yeah! And I know for a fact
May 25, 2008 - 11:44 ET by balboaYeah! And I know for a fact that they're mean to pets and senior citizens!
Bal
May 25, 2008 - 11:49 ET by expatriotWhy are you accusing the dhimmis of abusing pets and senior citizens? Oh, thats right, the democrat party = party of eugenics, euthenasia and, dare I say, abortion.
I can see where you would become disillusioned with them.
Nah, I was just joining the
May 25, 2008 - 11:52 ET by balboaNah, I was just joining the big pile-on.
Eugenics...lol.
Glad you liked it.
May 25, 2008 - 12:09 ET by expatriotGlad you liked it.
I liked it too expatriot - because it's true
May 25, 2008 - 12:17 ET by Dee Bunkbalboa is getting a little carried away with the pet comment. Everyone knows that Dems value animals more than babies or Republicans or Old People. Killing them and trashing them is fine but euthanize a pet and you are an evil person.
As far as Old People - they are just as against them as everyone else. They want them killed off as soon as them become burdensome.
So this time, balboa was half right.
Its a shame really
May 25, 2008 - 12:23 ET by expatriotDee,
I was not being sarcastic at all and the dhims are what I named them. Its a shame because those folks really do believe in the sanctity of puppy life and lets kill the old people to save the planet and balance the budget. For a non religious group they have some very strong beliefs. Its scary really.
Oh I know you weren't being sarcastic expatriot - balboa was
May 25, 2008 - 12:38 ET by Dee Bunkhe thinks that because not all liberals believe that way, we are not justified to complain about it even though the people they elect act that way and forward those type of policies.
The majority
May 25, 2008 - 12:42 ET by expatriotDee,
It sure seems that the majority of them do. I had the opportunity to talk to some state folks and they are out there. Save the world, US bad, we need to become like europe. That is what I am hearing from the pols on the dhimmi side and as one who is living in europe we don't want to live like these folks do. Thank God that I will never be like Bal or his ilk.
You're justified to
May 25, 2008 - 15:47 ET by balboaYou're justified to complain, Dee, as long as you don't try to paint ALL Democrats with the same brush.
I've explained this before balboa and I'll keep explaining it
May 25, 2008 - 16:00 ET by Dee Bunkuntil you guys get it. When we generalize about liberals we are generalizing about the liberal establishment. It doesn't matter if you agree or not, you vote and support them.
When you guys generalize about us, you do so based on what everyday people from both parties do and attribute all negative attributes to Republicans despite the fact that our leaders don't support the things (like racism,sexism, homophobia,hating poor people, rednecks, legislating religion).
Sorry, I don't think that's
May 25, 2008 - 16:06 ET by balboaSorry, I don't think that's accurate.
sorry -you are wrong
May 25, 2008 - 18:19 ET by Dee Bunkit's that simple
Do you "think" I'm wrong, or
May 25, 2008 - 18:26 ET by balboaDo you "think" I'm wrong, or do you "feel" it?
I know it - I'll start a thread some day to prove it
May 25, 2008 - 18:37 ET by Dee BunkI'm sure you'll douse it with your "feelings" that have no supporting facts. Just as your "feeling" that what I said isn't accurate.
Actually, I've provided
May 25, 2008 - 18:48 ET by balboaActually, I've provided reasons and rational thought for my arguments.
Which is worse: Feeling that you're right when you're not, or thinking you're right when you're not?
There's no difference
May 25, 2008 - 18:54 ET by Dee Bunkboth apply to you
you've given no valid reasons. Only thoughts and feelings that have no logical rationale when challenged. That's why you just answer with things about thoughts and feelings when you are proven wrong.
At least you have in the WTH thread and I'm sure you will when I start the thread that proves you wrong here.
Then you need to read them
May 25, 2008 - 19:02 ET by balboaThen you need to read them again. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean they're devoid of logic. I understand your stance, but I disagree with it.
It takes only a few seconds to read them
May 25, 2008 - 19:18 ET by Dee BunkYou haven't said anything to refute my arguments only resated yours again and again with nothing additional. I understand your arguments. That is why they are so easy to knock down. They are a one trick poney. Same thing over and over.
That and the - "I disagree" "I don't think that's accurate" type of comments that anyone can say. That's why I said "your wrong" with nothing else. That's the kind of thing you do. I was being sarcastic. Why should I spend my time arguing with you. You can say anything you want when ever you want and just say - "your wrong", "I disagree", "I don't think that's accurate" and many other similar things so when I don't feel like arguing - I'll do the same back to you.
Most times, I will clarify why I think my point is more valid but I'll be using your little tactic too.
Sorry - have to run - I'm sure you'll miss me
It's a waste of time, Dee
May 25, 2008 - 19:23 ET by Blondebal's entire existence here is merely to annoy and obfuscate.
So, "you're wrong" with nothing else added, is, as usual, spot on.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
new for the ADA or anti-capitalists, people allergic to wi fi
May 25, 2008 - 11:05 ET by lunaticcringeradioi'm not kidding, there are some loonies out there that are claiming they are allergic to wi fi. see link.
http://kob.com/artic...
i'd like to see if they only get allergic when they see a sign in a business that advertizes wi fi or if they are allergic when they just drive down a suburban street where they have no idea which house has wi fi.
is this a new group seeking to milk america through the americans with disabilities union or are they simply anti capitalist whiners trying to curb commerce and business. my suspicion it is the later. i suspect it's all a bunch of crap and they are just anti business. considering i like to dabble in radio broadcasting, and knowing how radio signals propogate, there are many other types of radio transmission that operate in the same range and bandwidth as wi fi decades before and nobody had any complaints, but attach it to commerce and business and now you get a group of people who don't like capitalism and business and they cook up a scheme to try and find a medical reason to hamper it.
allergic to to wi fi, you should have been showing allergic reactions decades ago and all over in areas where you don't even know it exists. 'm calling bravo seirra on wi fi allergies.
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Their tinfoil hats are buzzing...
May 25, 2008 - 11:38 ET by CTThe esteemed Gov. Richardson to investigate believes problem maybe linked to anthropogenic global warming.
The French are at it again
May 25, 2008 - 11:07 ET by Blondeand we thought we were upset at the cost of fuel?
I am shocked to have not heard a word about this yet here in the States. And what will the Brits do?
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Wow Blonde - what a story
May 25, 2008 - 11:16 ET by Dee Bunkhow outrageous that these people are being allowed to do that.
We're having 2 conversations here, Dee
May 25, 2008 - 11:21 ET by BlondeI know what you mean. When I say I was "shocked"....I meant it.
That nothing has been done (by either the French or British authorities) is truly outrageous. Did you read the comments at the end of that article? If it were Americans in that harbor, I'd expect the Navy SEALs shortly.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Blonde - maybe now but not under Obama
May 25, 2008 - 12:05 ET by Dee BunkObama would be handling it this way.
Quite right,
May 25, 2008 - 12:11 ET by BlondeBambi would send the Coast Guard to help the frog fishermen maintain the blockade.
Heaven help us if this man is elected.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Blonde
May 25, 2008 - 12:15 ET by Free StinkerBlonde - How did you find that story? Good catch.
I believe that Diplomats call this sort of BS casus belli
"Don't forget to vote this fall. Not for McCain, not ever, but there might be a Conservative Rep or Senator that Needs Your Vote" --Free Stinker
Hi Free
May 25, 2008 - 12:22 ET by BlondeI read the UK Daily Mail (linked at Drudge)....there's all kind of interesting stuff (and idiot pictures/stories about celebs & the royals, to boot).
Plus, the comments always make me feel better, no matter how stupid our democrats are, the Brit pols are a hundred times worse and have totally destroyed the once great British Empire with their socialism and "tolerance". I wish we'd learn an object lesson from our cousins in this regard, though.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Too True
May 25, 2008 - 12:29 ET by expatriotBlonde,
My wife is from N. Ireland and I get to see first hand how far the british have fallen. Not the people but their politicians. The pols are so afraid of insulting some group that they take political correctness to a level we don't ever want to see. That's why Barry Hussein is not a good candidate and neither is Hills.
The Brits
May 25, 2008 - 12:54 ET by BlondeI know...I work with a few Brits (now American citizens) who just couldn't tolerate it any longer.
I can't figure out why our dem's are merrily skipping down the socialist path when our good friends have already travelled this road to such disasterous effect. I seriously just can't wrap my mind around the concept(s) the dems hold so near and dear.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Just my luck -- I'm finally
May 25, 2008 - 13:20 ET by Jack BauerJust my luck -- I'm finally make it to the States when there's the most socialist agenda ever ripping through the country!
Jack - did you move here?
May 25, 2008 - 13:25 ET by Dee BunkIf so Welcome! We need more people like you.
What Dee said, Jack
May 25, 2008 - 13:29 ET by BlondeGlad you made it....can't wait until you can vote with us!
BTW, my Brit friend, when she got her American citizenship, was reluctant because she was no longer eligible to join the Brit military....at age 49!
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
I wish we'd learn an
May 25, 2008 - 12:30 ET by Free StinkerI wish we'd learn an object lesson from our cousins
And sadly, we probably won't. :-(
We need to spend the next 4 years getting Jindal, Watts, Rice, Kasich, and Palin ready for a Presidential run in 2012.
"Don't forget to vote this fall. Not for McCain, not ever, but there might be a Conservative Rep or Senator that Needs Your Vote" --Free Stinker
Blonde and Free - are dems are not far behind - they envy these
May 25, 2008 - 12:34 ET by Dee Bunkpeople and are trying to emulate them.
They have riots in France - not from poor disadvantaged uneducated people - but college educated people who have no jobs and nothing to do. They are taken care of by socialist programs and it's still not enough.
Liberals only solution to everything is education. If we were all just as smart as them the whole world would get along and their would never be any conflict anywhere.
These fisherman don't have to worry about health insurance. What's their problem? Geesh!
Dee
May 25, 2008 - 12:37 ET by Free StinkerLiberals only solution to everything is education
Indeed. And as Josh McDowell points out, education by itself is no solution. He said something along the lines of: If education was the answer to the World's problems, then a University should be the most morally upright place there is, but all the bicycles have locks on them so they don't get stolen.
"Don't forget to vote this fall. Not for McCain, not ever, but there might be a Conservative Rep or Senator that Needs Your Vote" --Free Stinker
Free that is a good one - Liberals are so Naive
May 25, 2008 - 12:57 ET by Dee BunkThey don't understand that people don't want to be taken care of by others, they want to be responsible for themselves. Even people who think they want to be taken care of when the going gets rough (the ones liberals prey on) feel unsatisfied and unproductive no matter how little or how much education they have. That is why uneducated people riot here (they are trapped by government care) and it's the same reason highly educated people riot in France.You can temporarily placate those people by giving them more handouts, but it does nothing to quell the underlying dissatisfaction.
Most of the Sept 11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia and highly educated and lived in a country where no one starves and most of their menial labor comes from outside the country. People their have a higher standard of living then most in India and you don't have those types of problems th
People who don't feel they have control over themselves are probably even more likely to be dangerous the more education they have.
The British Navy
May 25, 2008 - 16:54 ET by ahussershould intervene if the French authorities don't see anything wrong with closing a port and holding British citizens against their will. But the British government seems to be made up of the usual wafflers as only one MP has spoken up (a conservative). I guess the Labor Government must be showing solidarity with their leftist bretheren.
Found It!!
May 25, 2008 - 11:20 ET by botgfrom todays paper:
Memorial Day Services
San Marcos: VFW Post 3795 will host an 11 a.m. service at San Marcos Cemetery, 1021 Mulberry Drive. Cub Scout Pack 646 will place flags on graves. A potluck will be held afterward at the VFW post, 212 W. Mission Road.
this is something i began attending some years ago, it really gives perspective and would recommend doing so to all. (at your local service of course : ) )
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What's this? Sexism and
May 25, 2008 - 11:20 ET by NL207What's this? Sexism and Misogyny? These are responsible for Hillary's downfall? I thought it was the vast right wing conspiracy.
Funny
May 25, 2008 - 11:23 ET by Blonde:)
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Posted elswhere just for "Grins"
May 25, 2008 - 11:32 ET by kilrodThe Clintonian LegacyMay 25, 2008 - 10:05 ET by kilrod
DILDO BILL cigars== MONICA SLICK cheroots- = and the hillary Special-=- WIDOW MAKER stogies
Inhale NAZI-LIBS, Inhale
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Another classic Meet the Press
May 25, 2008 - 11:39 ET by krendler" Isn't it supposed to be Republicans that are the sexist, misogynist racists? "
That was pretty much asserted as *fact* during this morning's Meet the Press, as in, "if you think these racial and gender issues are bad now with Democrats, wait until we get into the general election when independents and republicans are involved." Enthusiastic, seemingly synchronized head-nodding ensued around the table.
Another week where the panel consisted of 6 liberals and Russert. 60 minutes of Hillary bashing and when they stopped bashing Hillary, they bashed McCain for playing the "military service card" in his response to Obama's attack (they were all disappointed in McCain for resorting to that), applauded Obama for not backing down from McCain, and condemned "racist whites" who aren't going to vote for Obama. And Gwen Eiffel introduced us to the laudable concept of "race pride" - the dynamic that kicked in following Iowa that allowed Obama to secure 80-90% of the black vote in every state that followed.
And to think it's only May and the general election campaign hasn't even started yet! I'm wondering what shows like Meet the Press and Hardball will have devolved to by October. Perhaps a giant "Defeat White Racism - Vote Obama 08" banner hanging in the background for viewers who can't take a hint.
It would be interesting to compile data on "positive and negative time/comments by candidate" for a show like MTP and present it as a pie chart(s). On this week's show, the negative pie chart would be about 70% Hillary, 30% McCain and, literally, 0% Obama.
Meanwhile, over at Fox
May 25, 2008 - 12:08 ET by Prester John.....Terry McAwful was on with Chris Wallace. In addition to claiming once again that the Dems had an election "stolen" in 2000, he noted that if necessary, HRC will take the Michigan and Florida delegation matter to the convention if she doesn't get her way. This is even if the DNC accepts the state offered compromise (69-59 in MI in favor of HRC and giving FL 1/2 of its delegation vote).
Oh, he also blamed the FL situation on the Governor Crist and the Republican controlled state legislature.
The man really is a disgrace.
the best car to combat global warming
May 25, 2008 - 11:46 ET by lunaticcringeradiohttp://www.vincelewi...
http://www.youtube.c...
oh i just need to run out and find one, so i can run over it with my jeep.
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lunatic
May 25, 2008 - 11:59 ET by botgi'm getting one of these
we need to fight the coming ice age (1001 HP and lots of heat)
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botg, Buy American!
May 25, 2008 - 15:22 ET by upcountrywater1183 hp
faster than yours, ha ha
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you know i'm a racer
May 25, 2008 - 16:59 ET by lunaticcringeradioso i could just see a bunch of rednecks like me tinkering with these things and putting them on a lil oval track to race on sat night. actually you could race these things in a parking lot. you think i'm crazy but a racer is a racer, we'd race skateboards with gerbil power if the socialists ever get their way and ban cars.
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you know i'm a racer
May 25, 2008 - 17:01 ET by lunaticcringeradioso i could just see a bunch of rednecks like me tinkering with these things and putting them on a lil oval track to race on sat night. actually you could race these things in a parking lot. you think i'm crazy but a racer is a racer, we'd race skateboards with gerbil power if the socialists ever get their way and ban cars.
yeah i saw the veyron race the eurofighter, i lost a bet on that because the idiot couldn't make the 1 mile turn fast enough.
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Hillary's High Unfavorables
May 25, 2008 - 12:00 ET by CellaI vote for "dislikable person."
If I have to see that gaping mouth, pointing index finger and nodding head for many more weeks, my head may explode.
And even worse, Chelsea is copying those mannerisms.
Open mouth, pointing index finger.......ARGH.
"Misogynist"?? begs the question?
May 25, 2008 - 12:09 ET by kilrodAre homosexual males all misogynist, and are "they", as in "you people", the ones who caused "poor hil" who was "in to win it" to " leap on it and loose it"??
(GRINS)
kilrod
NYT Drama Queen Frank Rich "Supports Our Troops"
May 25, 2008 - 15:47 ET by Del DolemonteFrankie uses Memorial Day-and the Broadway revival of "South Pacific"-to bash the evil Bush for sending our troops to die.
http://www.nytimes.c...
anyone notice the direct tv commercials filled w liberal actors
May 25, 2008 - 16:38 ET by lunaticcringeradioanyone ever notice the direct tv commercials showing how ridiculously incompetent the corporate commanders are? notice they are filled with liberal/socialist guilt infested actors. now under normal conditions i would say these are funny commercials but it just hit me, the way these actors are portraying a corporation, this is exactly the way they believe all corporations act all the time. that commercial reflects how liberal/socialists actually believe capitalism exists.
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But they do it in support of
May 25, 2008 - 16:50 ET by balboaBut they do it in support of another corporation. This is competition, not anti-corporate propaganda.
i can see your point
May 25, 2008 - 17:06 ET by lunaticcringeradiobut i just think that they let a bunch of liberals loose with their crazy personification of what they believe corporations are like and play it like a satirical spoof. my point is that liberal socialists actually gripe and complain about corporations being this way as ammunition for their arguement for socialism. i may not have made my perceptions clear, i'm not saying direct tv believes this or supports business practices like this, i still think the commercials are funny as hel, just that they are spoofing the liberal business model by letting a bunch of liberal portray their belief of what corporations are.
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I'm sure the commercials are
May 25, 2008 - 17:13 ET by balboaI'm sure the commercials are completely scripted based on how Direct TV wants the cable industry to be portrayed.
I especially love the one
May 25, 2008 - 18:21 ET by motherbeltI especially love the one where the guy says "We need to improve our customers....they complain all the time..."
LOL!
Yeah, mb, replace the word
May 25, 2008 - 18:50 ET by Indiana JoeYeah, mb, replace the word "customers" with "citizens," and you have the Democrat Party! ;^)
And lots of corporations are picking up on "being green," for instance. Or being young and hip. At least giving lip service to liberal talking points. And it's all just for corporate profits. So I think lunatic's original point has some merit. The ad encourages people not to patronize those "mean old corporations" and go with Direct TV's new "caring" corporation. The fact that it's not a true picture doesn't mean people don't fall for it. It's advertising, after all.
For anyone that cares
May 25, 2008 - 17:58 ET by bigtimerFor anyone that cares (namely you RD if you are around later) Bob Barr won the libertarian presidential nomination today...Root will be the VP I am quite sure....I watched the the debate of all seven candidates last night...I myself couldn't vote for any of them.
RD, you may want to pay more attention to who some of the libertarians are and what they believe in before you vote that straight ticket like you were saying....sometimes they are far left as far as I am concerned...the left have used the libertarian party here in Mt. in the past to split the votes and stop other conservatives from getting in...just a thought friend.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Sick of Danica Patrick coverage
May 25, 2008 - 18:12 ET by ricklailWhen I walked in from church I turned on the Indy 500. They were following Danica around the track. I thought she was leading but she was in 9th place. Enough. I was so glad when she wrecked in the pits. I wouldn't have to listen to anymore about her the rest of the race. WRONG. They would not shut up about her. At the end of the race they even had to show her walking through the pits still in her uniform. Any other driver that was out of the race had already changed to their street clothes. They wonder why I hate ABC sports when it comes to IRL racing. Enough with Danica. I think she finished 21st.
When I turned to Fox to watch the pre-race show for the 600 they were talking about her. My gosh this is NASCAR not IRL. Enough already. I just hope that some team owner don't bring her to NASCAR as a novelty. She'll be a big a bust as Dario Francetti (?).
“A debate is a conflict which clarifies a position. A dialogue is a conversation which compromises a position.” –John E. Ashbrook, The New Neutralism II, P. 7
Rick, I had the
May 25, 2008 - 18:58 ET by Indiana JoeRick, I had the same problem with the coverage of Tiger Woods for his first few years. The press was so enamored of a black man who had won some PGA majors that everything was about him. I even remember a headline from some tourney he lost was "Tiger comes in 4th," or something like that, I kid you not. Had to read down to the third paragraph to find out who won!
The over-whelming press pandering made me almost hate the man. I'd root against him, just to PO the press. Not racism, which I'm sure some would assume. I don't have a problem with him now. It was just having him crammed down my throat in the MSM's zeal to show how "tolerant" they were.
Same deal with Patrick, I'm sure.
UPDATE
May 25, 2008 - 19:08 ET by ricklailDuring a caution at Charlotte I was watching CBS news I believe. They mentioned that Scott Dixon won the race but then turned to the controversal wreck with 30 laps to go that Danica was involved in. They never mentioned the controveral wreck between teammates Tony Kanaan and Marco Andretti.
“A debate is a conflict which clarifies a position. A dialogue is a conversation which compromises a position.” –John E. Ashbrook, The New Neutralism II, P. 7
Pheonix lander starting final to surface on mars...Nasa tv
May 25, 2008 - 19:26 ET by upcountrywater15 minute time delay.. The time it takes radio waves to get to earth from mars..
pressure of system OK 1of 7
My dad worked on Viking 1 that landed SUCCESSFULLY in 1975.
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Thanks, upc
May 25, 2008 - 19:28 ET by BlondeFor the reminder.
BTW....going to the Cape for the shuttle launch on Saturday....yay!
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Yep ucw...I'm watching
May 25, 2008 - 19:31 ET by bigtimerYep ucw...I'm watching too...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
thanks ucw
May 25, 2008 - 19:43 ET by botgheres the link if anyone is interested
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html
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botg; thats where i'm watching
May 25, 2008 - 19:53 ET by upcountrywaternasa sez, the link may drop out, so far so good.
Like Apollo days, looks like it too (Apollo)
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The Phoenix has landed
May 25, 2008 - 19:59 ET by BlondeToo cool for school.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
way cool Support our
May 25, 2008 - 20:00 ET by botgway cool
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Room full of white guys ( 95%)
May 25, 2008 - 20:07 ET by upcountrywaterYippie!
Now then lets see if this craft finds life (not)
Soo much like Viking 1 & 2..HOWEVER 1,000 X computer power
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landed near the north pole
May 25, 2008 - 20:15 ET by botgthey are looking for water (ice) a necessary molecule for life to be possible
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So much like Viking, scooper, and an on board lab
May 25, 2008 - 20:24 ET by upcountrywaterAnticipated pace of Mars surface operations
-- If operations proceed
relatively smoothly, the first eight to 10 days after landing will be a
"characterization phase" of checking out and understanding the performance of
the spacecraft's power and thermal systems, as well as the robotic arm and other
instruments.
-- At the end of the characterization phase (date tba), the
first sample of surface soil will be delivered to the Thermal and Evolved-Gas
Analyzer onboard Phoenix.
-- Analysis of soil from the surface in both the
Thermal and Evolved-Gas Analyzer and in the Microscopy, Electrochemistry and
Conductivity Analyzer will likely take 10 to 15 days if all processes go well.
After that, each additional sampling cycle will reach a deeper subsurface level,
in increments of about two to three centimeters. At each different layer,
collecting and analyzing samples is expected to take 10 to 15 days, barring
operational difficulties.
-- How soon the digging reaches the expected icy
layer will depend on how far below the surface that layer lies. Estimates in
advance of landing range from two to five centimeters. If the ice is at the
deeper end of that range, the first analysis of an icy sample could be in July
or later.
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botg.. That they
May 25, 2008 - 20:26 ET by bigtimerbotg..
That they are...and I can't wait for the pictures in less than two hours if all goes well.
Btw...after successful landing...my husband said "you know how sad, we can do all of this, the Mars landing and heck landing on the moon what fourty years ago and yet still have to pay others for our own oil here"...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
smart man your
May 25, 2008 - 22:22 ET by botgsmart man your husband
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botg... Well it hit me
May 25, 2008 - 22:30 ET by bigtimerbotg...
Well it hit me just right after that successful landing and he said that...I must of laughed til tears came down, yet at the same time such a feeling of anger and sadness at the same time, don't know what word for that there is....it was priceless actually.
Well, by now I am sure you know how many years I have written about oil drilling/refineries self-dependency ect ect....so it hit me just right.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
The little green Martians
May 25, 2008 - 20:29 ET by NL207The little green Martians will come out and complain about our CO2 emissions causing Global Warming. They will tell us to smarten up, listen to Al Gore and knock it off! They don't want Mars to get any warmer.
NL... ROFLMAO! "Never
May 25, 2008 - 20:37 ET by bigtimerNL...
ROFLMAO!
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
NL207, It will be mars attacks if the 2009 lander, leaks
May 25, 2008 - 20:45 ET by upcountrywaterspreading plutomium!
It worked in the 70's but NOOO ,more parts for the same thing!
Lockheed Martin is working on a new type of system called a Stirling Radioisotope
Generator. Like RTGs, the Stirling system would convert heat from decaying plutonium
into electricity.
Where the two approaches differ is that the Stirling system has moving parts
-- vibrating pistons that make much more efficient use of the rare and costly
plutonium-238. The potential drawback of such systems is that their moving parts
could cause interference problems for spacecraft instruments.
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