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For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: Congress votes to sue OPEC over oil prices:

The House of Representatives overwhelmingly approved legislation on Tuesday allowing the Justice Department to sue OPEC members for limiting oil supplies and working together to set crude prices, but the White House threatened to veto the measure. The bill would subject OPEC oil producers, including Saudi Arabia, Iran and Venezuela, to the same antitrust laws that U.S. companies must follow.

Is this a good move by Congress, or useless saber rattling? Will OPEC actually produce more oil, or is the White House correct in its view that this could "spur retaliatory action against American interests in those countries and lead to a reduction in oil available to U.S. refiners?"

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Sound and fury...

....signifying absolutely nothing other than showing that our Democrat led Congress is delusional and an embarassment.

Why don't they

spend their time letting us drill in Anwar and off the coasts of the USA!  The Saudis and Hugo Chavez have us in a bad position and it is the fault of our elected politicians!!!

We scream for leadership and all we have is corrupt, useless politicians!

It can't get any funnier

It can't get any funnier than this. "Sueing for limited oil production". RIGHT. Yet we limit our own oil production by restricting where we can drill.

Really, how dumb is our Congress, anyway?

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If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber

"Suppose you were an idiot,

"Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress, but I repeat myself." - Mark Twain

looking for the caribou vote

They're just looking for the caribou vote.  Need to protect that precious resource!  On one of my junk email accounts, I get emails from the NRDC, the polar bear people, and if you need a good laugh, sign up.  Man, they are whacked.  Maybe if we gave the environmentalists Detroit as a trade with the arctic, agreed to move all the polar bears there, we could get on with this drilling.  Today in Michigan, where I sit, it's about 40 degrees - chance of flurries.  I'm sure those bears would be nice and comfy.  I'm sure not.

Pandering

Congress is engaging in the lowest form of pandering. It shows great disrespect for the intelligence of the American people.  These folks have no intention for such a bill to pass. They are only looking to use it as an issue.

Waste of

time and energy-- pun intended.

You're right, Prester. The dem-led congress has been almost...

...as much of an embarrassment as the repub-led congress was.

We are being smothered by government in this country. - Neal Boortz

Unfortunately RD

We as conservatives are rightfully embarrassed no matter who holds the majority. Dems are only embarrassed by a repub led Congress.

So what we'd be poking the

So what we'd be poking the countries that hate us with a stick. We should sue Pelosi, Reid, and all the other Dems and RINOs who keep blocking domestic oil production.

Do these people truly have any intelligence?

"They need to have a course in college called common sense and everyone should take it. Problem is there isn't too many people that could pass or teach it." -my grandfather

Drill and refine

Maybe we should just "talk" a little more with those who have the oil, eh Barry? Drill and refine! To not do so is treason.

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

Hark!

Hear that? That tremolo you hear is the sound of the entire world laughing at our concept of frivolous litigation.
Booker T. Washington put it quite clearly; a ship with a crew dying of thirst and in need of water need only "cast down their buckets where they are," and I expect OPEC will produce the same response, to the tune of: "Dear Mrs. Pelozi et. al. Before engaging in such a premature lawsuit, may we remind you that you are sitting on 3 trillion barrels of oil in oil shales in what you refer to as Kentucky and Alaska. Naturally, we may be forced to sue your country for stifling the oil market. However, if you cease and desist with this lawsuit, we will drop any thought of this altogether. Regards, OPEC."

In unrelated news,

it has been learned that all members of Congress have been telling their children and grandchildren to find the biggest bully in school and walk up to him, spit on him and call him an ass***. But they were cautioned to be sure that no one else was around when they did so. This should indeed solve the bully problem in their school.

What a bunch of pinheads.

Know nothing

It is difficult to hold in my contempt for congress.  There aren't more than five or six that could even find their butts with both hands.

They are so arrogant and condescending.  They believe that OPEC will pay attention to a law suit because it is filed by an AMERICAN.  Oooh that'll scare them into increasing production.  The spend so much time trying to fix problems that they created themselves but blame on everyone else.

Right now "Oil Company Executives" are up on Capital Hill testifying before congress on what Government can do to help ease the high price of oil and gasoline when only two days ago they voted down a bill that would allow drilling in ANWR and in coastal areas of the US. 

The US population in general must be really really stupid to think that government could ever solve a single problem. 

I think we should have a ten year moratorium on new laws and spend that time on repealing old laws.

 

Since government is coercion, politics is largely the exercise of deception regarding the intended use of coercion - George Orwell

This is an inane jesture.

This is an inane jesture. Like the Saudis care if we sue! Is this not like stabbing the hand that puts the food on the table? And just who is going to enforce the judgement, IF we win? The UN?? The world court??? Give me a break. The Saudis will simply do the same thing the did in the 70's. They will quit selling to us altogether. Then what dims??? Remember. It is their oil, on their land, in their country. They can sell to whom they want, and not sell whom they deem unworthy or hostile.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

I don't get it...

What court would have jurisdiction over any of these foreign dictators who sell us oil, anyway?? And if regulators have jurisdiction over US petroleum speculators (a more likely legal scenario, IMO) it's a good thing they're paying such close attention to explaining this! Or this.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

But I DO have a prediction:

In the end, as with the tobacco tax disguised as a lawsuit a few years ago, this idiotic lawsuit will be another bipartisan lawyer-welfare program, whether or not the news media is honest enough to admit it.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Pure Genius

Way to go, Chuckie.

Gouging? Hoarding? MANIPULATING???

We are continually pounded with cornball theories and populist pablum regarding "Big Oil", OPEC and "Bush's Pals". These evil creatures are accused of profitting and worse from the price of oil and gasoline.

I'd like to pose one other theory. It is pure conjecture on my part, but that should give it at least as much credence as the "Big Oil" crap pushed by MSM and the rest of the LEFT.

Who is to say that a cabal led by George Soros and others of his ilk aren't manipulating the futures markets for political purposes? And making huge profits at the same time? This could easily be Soros' plan to inflict pain on the masses and smooth the path for Obama in the fall. Pure hypocrisy? Yes! Who'd know? Would anyone in MSM care to look into it?

Congress is really losing it

In what court would Congress have the Justice Dept. sue OPEC? The Supreme Court doesn't have jurisdiction so that leaves the World Court. If the World Court hears the case (unlikely) and if it rules against OPEC (and that's a very big IF), who's going to enforce the ruling? All that this would accomplish is to prove to the world what a joke our Congress has become (as if it hasn't already).

There's the saying "don't bite the hand that feeds you." Before Congress goes thru with this, it should think about where we're going to our oil from next and how much more we're going to have to pay for it.

Drill here and drill now and then tell OPEC to take a hike.

Idiotic,

Moronic, and a complete waste of time. This is what our elected officials are doing with their time. Nice going democrats.  Another useless move from a useless party.

Wrong term

I'm not sure "saber rattling" is the appropriate term here.

It's more like a gentle finger poke before they run for cover.

 

Say What!!!

Is this the same bunch of liberals and RINOs that constantly accuse Bush 1 & 2 of starting wars in the Middle East solely over oil? I hear liberals where I work always referring to the war in Iraq as "just about oil". But now that the price of oil is affecting their disposable income, i.e. cocktail money, they're going to start their own war. And just watch...if it happens...when it happens, the MSM will work overtime to spin that into a noble cause and paint them heroes, which they're more than eager to do, as long as a liberal starts it...remember Bosnia.

"Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive." - C.S. Lewis

I saw this on Drudge,

I saw this on Drudge, and LOL'd.

These guys are so oblivious, they can't do the @#$%!! OBVIOUS!!! For those of you in Rio Linda, it's obvious that we need to drill in known reserves of oil in the US.

It looks like we need Katie to declare "War on Oil"  We can win this.

  MSM - shaping all the perceptions you need to believe.

This is just silly

Will Hugo Chavez really care what we think? This will only p*ss them off more and make them raise the price.

This Democratic congress, I admit is just as useless as the last one. their whole legacy is a bunch of investigations. I hear they are going to be starting a special investigation on "Spygate" on the NFL. Great use of taxpayer money Arlen.

You're right

Specter has said that he is going to hold hearings because he is not satisfied as to what Godell told him.

“A debate is a conflict which clarifies a position. A dialogue is a conversation which compromises a position.” –John E. Ashbrook, The New Neutralism II, P. 7

Funding Source?

Maybe Specter will offer to fund the expense of this dog & pony show out of his campaign treasury.

Hey Shawn,

Looks like the dems may well accomplish what we here at Newsbusters have so far been unable: Make you a republican. :)

Hey Shawn, check this

Hey Shawn, check this out:

NFL and Comcast are feuding.

Specter is a Pennsylvania senator.

Comcast is based in Pennsylvania.

Specter has received over $150,000 in campaign funds from Comcast since 1989.

It's a co-ink-a-dink!

damn shrubby - Christians

damn shrubby - us crazy Christians are burning witches in Kenya again - got this from drudge:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080521153625.1ijzzvn1&show_article=1

of course - technically - only a tiny fraction of Christians burn witches - but then what kind of Christian apologist idiots care about crap like that:)...?!?!?

oh well, obviously a religion still stuck in the middle ages:)...

Hmmmm.... where in

Hmmmm.... where in Christian Dogma does it say that Witches should be burned?

I can find you plenty of passages in the Koran where similar items can be found.

TM these were islamists as

TM these were islamists as evidenced by the fact they killed a pastor's wife.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Nobody has ever accused

Nobody has ever accused Truthie of being the brightest of bulbs....

 

McCain Adviser Leaves Campaign

http://apnews.myway....

Mark McKinnon says he's leaving the McCain campaign because he doesn't want to work against Obama. That seems odd reasoning because many don't think McCain wants to work against Obama either.

CWG... Now that's

CWG...

Now that's funny! 

"Abstain from McCain"

Free speech bites back

This judge has been saying all sorts of things the community doesn't like, and has hidden behind the "I can say anything because we have free speech" excuse.

Well, the voters gave him the bum's rush. They exercised their free speech. And this is a perfect reason not to have life tenure. Hear that, Mass and Calif supreme courts? We don't like what you're doing to our country.

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If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber

I've been wondering when

I've been wondering when the recall/impeachment petitions are going to start. Or have they?

  MSM - shaping all the perceptions you need to believe.

CNN

I saw the exact same thing on CNN.com the night Hillary won Indiana (I think), Hillary looked like she was scowling, Obama grinning.  Subtle but sending a huge message.

At 11:07AM on the NBC's

At 11:07AM EDT on NBC's Today show, Kathy Lee Gifford asks Hoda Kotb if the Media is on the side of Obama.  Kotb replies "No, I don't see it."

A more stunning example of cognitive bias I have yet to see.  I nearly lost my breakfast on the keyboard.

RRAM Tough! 

eyes covered

The brainwashing is complete.

I wonder why the press is

I wonder why the press is not publicising this memo from the Department of Transportation (Excerpt follows):

Dept of Transportation Federal Transit Administration sends:

Recently, there have been local incidents in which military personnel have been verbally assaulted while commuting on the Metro. Uniformed members have been approached by individuals expressing themselves as anti-government, shouting anti-war sentiments, and using racial slurs against minorities.

Obvious signs that the left is spiraling down into the bad old days of the 1970's again. 

Only THIS TIME, we will fight back.

you wish

"Only THIS TIME, we will fight back."

The American public has always suffered from the Kitty Genovese disease. They are by and large cowards.

There are however, a bunch of us veterans wandering about who will gladly instruct loons in the proper way to address serving US military folks.

The guvmint makes AS MUCH

The guvmint makes AS MUCH or MORE on a gallon of gas that the oil companies do, yet I'm not seeing many people screaming for windfall profits on our senators. Pot calling the kettle black, and the oil companies know this, and they need to fight back and hit our elected officials when they defend themselves for simply using capitalism, whereas our guvmint is using taxes up to wazzu socialism.

The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy

BD, I got some fingers

BD, I got some fingers griping a chain link fence with a boot at the SF airport on my last return trip home...sure felt good :-) The memory still brings a warm fuzzy feeling...

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

You gotta be kidding me

This is nothing more than smoke and mirrors to hide the fact that we have not drilled for oil and built new refineries. How absurd to even bring this up! We will not drill in Anwar but we'll press others to produce more oil?

Will Congress sue themselves for tying our hands in drilling for more oil?

CLOWNS!! 

 

 

Lawsuit reversal... Maybe

Lawsuit reversal...

Maybe it's time somebody sued the pants off of all the enviro groups that are suing the Government. 

"Abstain from McCain"

Hatin' on libertarians

Cluelessly? I've reported, so you decide, but I sure think so...
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Should this stupid

Should this stupid legislation become law, OPEC will simply refuse to sell to us.  What that will mean is that we will have to buy our oil through a third party further adding to the cost.

The solution to this problem is simple.  Drill off our coasts and in ANWR.  Build nuclear power plants to take the place of natural gas, oil and coal fired electricity generating plants. 

Much too simple for our

Much too simple for our leaders to grasp. 

"Abstain from McCain"

The sheer incompetence of

The sheer incompetence of the Congress is illustrated by this ridiculous waste of time and taxpayer money. Great harm may come of this if OPEC decides to "teach us a lesson" about who owns the oil fields. I expect an even greater spike in the price of crude as a result of this incredibly dumb move.

How did we end up with so many dangerously inept people in the Congress? I know, I know. We vote them in.

 

If OPEC decides to "teach us

If OPEC decides to "teach us a lesson"  I would like to think we have the intestinal fortitude to show them who owns the skies.

NL -- You mean with

NL -- You mean with President Obama?

Sure, OPEC would be trembling in their tents... I'm sorry, I mean trembling with laughter in their tents.

"Screw us Mr President.. no, SCREW YOU. Sir!"

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

Precisely why there can

Precisely why there can never be a President Obama.

NL, if my memory serves me

NL, if my memory serves me correctly, was it not American oil companies that went to Saudi and discovered the oil, drilled the wells, ran the pipelines and developed the fields? Then the Saudis kicked the US companies out, and took their fields and equipment.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Your memory is sound.Do

Your memory is sound.

Do you also remember what 'Rolling Thunder' is?

Rolling Thunder...That was

Rolling Thunder...That was a rock tune in the North of the RVN:-) I heard Uncle Ho did not like it much.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Yes, I would like to

Yes, I would like to think so also. Access to affordable energy has always been (and more so now) a matter of economic freedom and national security. The D's haven't a clue--beyond showboating and chinwagging-- about how to handle the situation effectively.

The sad part of this is that the MSM will applaude the "courage" of the Congress, if they mention it much at all.

Not only that over 300

Not only that over 300 people voted for it...we truly have some idiots in Congress.

It'll probably pass 70-30 in the senate too.

"They need to have a course in college called common sense and everyone should take it. Problem is there isn't too many people that could pass or teach it." -my grandfather

Nancy No-oil-si

4 Jan 2007 - 21 May 2008

Or 503 days since Gasbag Pelosi promised that she had a "commonsense plan" to reduce US gas prices. No sign of the plan, no sign of the reductions.

Washington, DC, May 8, 2008. Congressman Wally Herger today called on House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to reveal her “commonsense plan” to lower gas prices, which she promised in 2006. Gas prices have risen by about $1.30 since Speaker Pelosi took power on January 4, 2007 promising a plan. Prices for regular unleaded have hit $4 in some parts of Northern California. Herger issued the following statement about the $1.30 “Pelosi Premium.”

From Congress today some more examples of Democrat thinking -- and I use thinking in its broadest sense, not to imply any intelligence deployed. These are up there with Obama's marvelous plans for US foreign policy

#1. Bring law-suit against OPEC -- ha ha, now that's funny.

#2. Berate and threaten executives of MULTI-NATIONAL OIL COMPANIES with assets all over the world. Yep, another sure fired way to help.

#3. Make illegal the laws of supply and demand. (Okay I made that one up, but really, it's not that far fetched for Democrats who know more about Marx than markets)

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

What makes me laugh is that

What makes me laugh is that eventually Pelosi's going to have to find a way to attribute this debacle of a plan to the Bush administration.

fooli -- and this it's

fooli -- and this it's obvious that the Pelosi Plan is to blame the exiting President.

NOTE: I'm not particularly defending Preident Bush over oil.

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

I figure that by, say,

I figure that by, say, Friday morning, Fancy Nancy will call a press conference and do exactly that.

Jack, #3 has been tried in Paradice.

hawaii gas cap law.

Nothing like doing a nation wide "gas cap"

now thats some cha cha change.

Liberals62%


IraniumUranium

Forum's are down? So what

Forum's are down?

So what was it I posted this time...

tmonger,

I tried to warn you about voyeuring, around on moslem girl magazine site... picked up a nasty cookie did you..

Time to reformat that hard drive..

Liberals62%


IranianUranium

Hillary to Supreme Court?

Read this Washington Post story to see just how LA-LA-LAND the liberal media and the MSM is.

http://www.washingto...

The references to her "undeniably keen mind", remarkable mental skills", how her lack of experience is inconsequential, how Senate confirmation is "all but certain" because even those who aren't fans would be more than happy to confirm her to vacate her senate seat...all of these references... are shockingly sick.

There's just too much garbage in this article - you have to read it for yourself.

Sue OPEC?

When will they sue bin Laden?

JDW

If you mention ANWR it means you don't care about the environment but when congress says ANWR it means you don't care about the gasoline prices

»→ Yes, sue OPEC

If OPEC has any sense, it will countersue immediately and force our Congress into the International spotlight as the gaggle of idiots it is.

Where on the International stage would the US find a friendly ear to hear such nonsense?

  • LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

Suing the SUPPLIER to give you more of what you want

and berating the executives of the companies that refine and bring it

to you......

Atlas is getting ready to shrug.

So sad

»→ Evil OPEC

What hypocritical jerks we must seem to foreigners.

OPEC owns a product they are willing to part with for a certain price.  Take it or leave it.

  • LYDSEXICS UNTIE!

US Oil Is Off Limits

In 1995 Bubba vetoed ANWR.

Oil companies are in the oil business.

Sue OPEC? Why not sue the Ewackos... who are preventing the access to America's oil independence?

JDW

If you mention ANWR it means you don't care about the environment but when congress says ANWR it means you don't care about the gasoline prices

Sueing OPEC, grilling OIL CEOS, while Entertainment Cos reap win

Check out this story!  http://apnews.excite.com/article/20080521/D90Q3NAOB.html  Congress is Grilling Oil CEOs and sueing OPEC, but TIME WARNER has windfall profits!  These TV & MOVIE people get millions for doing TV & MOVIES any one could do as shown by reality shows.  And where the H is all this money coming from for the POLITICAL candidates!  BHO said got $31 mill last month, geez he's averaging about 15 mill a month, so the campaign could have fed all the homeless, helped those on welfare, helped with the FLOODS, the EARTHQUAKES, and other domestic and global disasters, but no-it's going to try and get someone elected to office of PRES!  THE DIMS are just delicious!

Hey - so sue us--

We don't pay any attention to a bunch of westerners who cannot even control their own country's immigration. By Allah, we cut of  the ehads of thos e we do not want in our countries.  If it looks like an international court is leaning toward the USA, we will CUT production in half. We will go sit in our properties we own in England and America until it blows over.

(If the AC goes off, we will bring in barrels of our own oil and switch to our UPS system.)

 

politics

The RATS have made law suits an American tradition and it's a disgrace. Now they'll find out what hard ball is like. It makes me wonder if the Saudis are creating turmol for the sake of... change... in November.

Cartoon of the Day

Cartoon >>

Source: Investors Business Daily/Michael Ramirez

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Communist vs. Statist '08

 

Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"

From CBC's The National

According to The National: The Canadian Geographic magazine is now to be printed with wheat straw in a bid to save Canadian forests. 

Now, wheat straw is a byproduct of the harvest - a waste product - but nonetheless, I just had to share this! 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

Nancy Grace

I think it would be approriate for Nancy Grace to lead the legal team that will sue OPEC.  I would be highly entertaining.

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Communist vs. Statist '08

Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"

Ted Kennedy has done more damage to this country...

...than any other living politician in my memory, and that includes Jihad Jimmy.

If I hear one more repubelican (and I misspelled that intentionally) praising this hideous America and freedom-hating gas-bag of a senator, who is probably more useless than a water pistol in a forest fire, I am going to vote for every single Libertarian I see on the ballot in November.

And Robert Byrd should be carried out of the Senate in a straight-jacket.

We are being smothered by government in this country. - Neal Boortz

Chappaquiddick

There... I said it... feel better now?

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Communist vs. Statist '08

Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"

Britcom, I hate to tell ya, but Ted's dearth of driving skills..

...inebriated or otherwise, was but a mere a spit in the ocean when compared to the havoc he unleashed on this country in the decades since.

Ted Kennedy has blood on his hands that no amount of scrubbing will ever remove.

And I am not even factoring in Mary Joe here.

 

We are being smothered by government in this country. - Neal Boortz

Mary Jo Kopechne

Mary Jo Kopechne has become the embodiment of what Ted Kennedy would do to each of us during his career. With Ted in the Senatorial driver's seat, we all end up at the bottom of the river while Ted walks home like nothing happened.

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Communist vs. Statist '08

Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"

Hey RD...the Libertarian

Hey RD...the Libertarian Party are having their platform and debates among candidates I think this week-end on C-SPAN...anyway I heard that somewhere for anyone interested...and I assume you are by your post. 

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

bt,

The republicans do not deserve my vote in November.

My vote has to be earned, not merely commanded.

We are being smothered by government in this country. - Neal Boortz

CBS Keeping Schieffer

Bob Schieffer signed a new long-term contract with CBS News, the network confirmed Monday.

Specific terms were not disclosed, but the new deal keeps Schieffer at Face the Nation for the foreseeable future.

Source: B&C


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Communist vs. Statist '08

Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"

FINALLY: AN IMMIGRATION LAWSUIT TO LOVE

FINALLY: AN IMMIGRATION LAWSUIT TO LOVE

As
covered on The Factor May 21-22…a cop (Rodney Johnson) was brutally
murdered (shot 7 times) by a rap-sheet thug illegal alien. The widow
Joslyn Johnson was on TV with her lawyer to discuss her suit against
the landscaping company that hired this monster. Being this is a suit
by a minority also helps but this action is long long overdue. Many
hundreds of crimes are committed by illegal aliens and they are not all
speeding tickets. No company should be able to hire illegals to start
with so (hopefully) a huge settlement will send a chill thru shady
businesses that will cause tens of thousands of illegals to go back to
their country. Now look for the insidious radical lefties to try to
undermine this naturally right thing to do under the law. Now if we can
get rid of sanctuary cities and the lost tax megamillions of freebies.
Not going to happen if up to liberals. Attention all voters.

Doug Schexnayder, Ph.D. (theconservativecrawfish)