Open Thread

By NB Staff | May 15, 2008 - 10:17 ET

For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: is disaster looming at the polls for Congressional Republicans?

The Republican defeat in Tuesday’s special election in Mississippi, in a deeply conservative district where, in an average year, Democrats cannot even compete, was a clear sign that the GOP has the political equivalent of cancer that has spread throughout the body. Many House GOP operatives are privately predicting that the party could easily lose up to 20 seats this fall. Combined with the 30 seats that the GOP lost in 2006, that would leave the party facing a 70-vote deficit against Democrats in the House — a state of powerlessness reminiscent of Republicans’ long wilderness years in the 1960s and ’70s. Things are not particularly more hopeful on the Senate side, where most analysts say Democrats have a strong chance of adding five or more seats to their current majority.

Is it as bad as Politico makes out? Do such potential losses make it even more imperative for disenchanted Conservatives to vote for McCain? Can he have any coattail at all, especially against a socialist like Obama? Is there anything Republicans can do in the next five and a half months to avoid this trainwreck, or is it too late?

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CNN political ticker gives more anti-GOP bias

Check out this link at your own risk: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/15/bush-suggests-obama-wants-appeasement-of-terrorists/

This is the post I tried entering:

This is a very biased piece. In fact the leader of Hamas did endorse Obama. Everyone should look up the quote right from the man's mouth. Also, this article is a way to stoke false fears that Republicans are engaging in targeting religious groups by suggesting that Bush and McCain are merely saying this to win Jewish Americans. Not so. In fact every one of us should think twice about voting Obama if he's this generation's Neville Chamberlain. It's a real concern no matter what your religious affiliation.

No prafanity or anything, but how likely is it that my post will make it past the CNN censors? I typed it some time ago and it's still "awaiting moderation" . . .

Answers.

Is it as bad as the Politico makes out?

No, but it's pretty bad. The Cook Political Report estimates a loss of 5-10 seats in the House. I would think 10 is a reasonable guess at this point - that's still not good.

Do such potential losses make it even more imperative for disenchanted conservatives to vote for McCain?

Yes, as far as I'm concerned. Mostly because President Barack H. Obama is simply unacceptable to me. The GOP really needs to be able to sustain a filibuster in the senate.

Can he have any coattail at all, especially against a socialist like Obama?

Yes. I understand the pundits said that running against Obama didn't work in these two southern seats. Well that may be true right now, in a special election. But in November, both of these guys will have endorsed Obama by that time, and the Obama campaign and therefore the national agenda of the Democrat party will be on full display. It will be hard for these "conservative" Democrats to reconcile their positions with those of their party's and people like Pelosi/Dean/Obama/Reid.

Is there anything Republicans can do in the next five and a half months to avoid this trainwreck, or is it too late?

Yes. Will they? Who knows. I guess the silver lining in this whole deal is that the GOP is fully aware of the political environment right now. At least they are realizing this 6 months away, when they can put together a strategy, instead of 1 month away. Right now the Democrats are running against Bush. In the fall, it will be easier for the GOP to differentiate themselves from the Democrat Party. The Dems won't have the luxury of just being against Bush in the fall, they will actually have an agenda (and a record) to defend.

"women and minorities hardest hit"

 Yes disaster looms for

 Yes disaster looms for Congressional Republicans. It does because we have given up the mantle of what it means to be/think/react like a Conservative, to the Dems. We have let the "Rockefeller Republicans" take over again, the penthouse Republicans. We're letting the Dems frame the contest. AC mentioned that not a few Dems run as Conservative, get elected and vote like Marx. We need this to stop, and stop at this election.

The Republican Congressional Committee had better get on the stick because the crap is fixing to get a whole lot deeper.

the RINO's took our party

the RINO's took our party and left...

what the hell do they expect...?

we will not be ignored, RNC...

we can wait A VERY LONG TIME...

you know

If Congressional Republicans hadn't spent the last eight years spending money like water and "compromising" on McCain-Feingold, they'd have a lot more homegrown support.

Amen, candace

Well said. And the results of the spending/bailouts are now showing in these two graphs (note my 'conspiratorial' source on 'em!) which still seem like news to me, even though the "professional" news media's not covering them adequately.

Republicans were free to act irresponsibly in spite of my cries back then, but they should not feel free to assume their big spending (he almost killed his own campaign via spending before Florida's RINO governor instinctively saved McCain's butt) statist has any right to my vote just because the Democrats will be nominating a big spending socialist. My vote is mine, and I'll send the right political message for me when the time comes, as I always have.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

eyes glaze over @ math

Seriously, could you explain what BOGNONBR is? The stuff on that page might as well have been written in Sanskrit for my little brain.

as I understand it

It's non-borrowed reserves, so I think it's saying "everyone, not just JP Morgan in order to eat Bear Stearns, has been borrowing like mad under the new rules, which means reserves are shaky." Along with the other graph, which I interpret the same way, it's scary to the fiscal conservative in me, and for once I'm citing something on a Federal Reserve site (as if a source changes the facts, but still...) instead of some libertarian site.

Anyway, this kind of stuff scares the hell out of me. The power to issue money is a very dangerous power to entrust to a government which spends this much. It's like giving the power to generate 'free' heroin to an addict and then expecting him/her to act responsibly, and the news media does a dreadful job covering the story because public schools do an awful job teaching about money & economics. IMO.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

okay Sarc

I did some more research and I think I understand:

When you give a bank a thousand dollars to keep in savings, they count that as their capital even though it's usually kept in "reserve" in case you want it back.

Now however, banks so overspent they're using all their monies to stay afloat including that money they're reserving for you.

Thus that thousand dollars you gave them isn't technically there anymore so if you demand they give it back, they'll have to go in the hole to come up with it.

A lot of things happening right now are quite similar to the financial collapse of 1929.

If not Weimar Germany...

My problem is that if history is any guide, when this finally hits the fan and people like me say those 4 most-hated words ("I told you so") we'll not only be hated (that's to be expected!) but we'll also be blamed. The "logic" behind said blame will be questionable at best, but the antilibertarian bias in the media will allow/implement their agenda, regardless of historical facts, just as the Nazis attacked von Mises the first chance they could. I'm suddenly in the mood for some decades-old wisdom:

"An almost hysterical antagonism toward the gold standard is one issue which unites statists of all persuasions. They seem to sense-perhaps more clearly and subtly than many consistent defenders of laissez-faire -- that gold and economic freedom are inseparable, that the gold standard is an instrument of laissez-faire and that each implies and requires the other." -- Alan Greenspan

The only change I'd make to that quote is to get rid of the "almost."
JMR


The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

LOL poor sarky

What, you expect people to take blame for their own mistakes? On what planet does that happen?

I've always agreed with you about the American dollar: when it costs you nothing to create it'll be worth nothing in the end.

The wisdom of the Founders...

To Wit:

No State shall ... make any Thing but gold and
silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts
...

(emphasis added)

The "and" signifies that both gold and silver are to stand together as a dual standard. The wisdom of this is that if one should become scarce, the other would still be available. Today it is possible for governments to hoard gold and drive up its value, or flood the market to drive down its value; this is much harder with silver as silver is not particularly rare.

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Communist vs. Statist '08

Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"

Read Ted Butler...

There may be less available silver above ground right now than there is gold. Gold does not have nearly the industrial uses that silver has (but it's useful stuff, too) and humanity has been using up above ground stockpiles since WW2.

We've never really had a gold standard with free banking, as Greenspan's essay but few others admit. Oh, we came close in the pre-Fed era, but there have always been bailouts in spite of the Founders' wisdom as expressed in the plain words of our Constitution.

If we're to have a bimetallic standard, the government should not dictate the relative values of the 2 metals. But the important issue is just honesty/competition in money if we want to repair the damage done by big spending politicians and the Fed. It's very dangerous that Ted Butler's the only one doing journalism on silver, too. Very dangerous...
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

An interesting link...

I knew that there was funny business afoot with gold. The Europeans about said they were causing it, but I suspect London is behind it. Some how they are messing with metal securities and attempting to fool people into thinking the price for paper gold is the trend with real gold. Gold securities are not always based on gold ownership and are probably worthless paper in a financial crisis. Whereas a gold Krugerrand in the hand will always have significant value.

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Communist vs. Statist '08

Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"

RED MONEY: China and the Clinton's Commie Connections...


The Clintons, Triangulating with China

Bashing “Chinese money” in public, accepting it in private

Any role played by Bill Clinton in dealings between a Chinese state-owned
company and a U.S. company should be vetted during a presidential
campaign.

Presidential
campaigner Sen. Hillary Clinton often vocalizes about China on the
stump for public consumption. Brought to you on YouTube, her complaints
include unsafe Chinese imports—“Let’s be tougher on China going
forward!” (Possibly carried away, she brings forth rhetorical offspring
we never knew she had—referring to “my children having toys from China that are going to make them
sick.”) Clinton has also spoken about human rights abuses in China.
Possibly her single strongest statement as first lady came in 1995
when, speaking in China, she proclaimed that “women’s rights are human rights.”

But notwithstanding forceful speech about needing “to undercut the
power the Chinese have over us,” the Clinton campaign has yet to
clarify the nature and extent of the Clintons’ own financial ties with
China. These ties go well beyond the longtime support of troubled
fundraiser and alleged Ponzi schemer Norman Hsu, who raised over
$800,000 to the Clinton campaign (which later pledged to return the contributions).
They include two Chinese government-owned media entities, a California
billionaire, and a former Clinton administration official with
international connections.

The first of these more businesslike Clinton-China connections is California billionaire and ‘Hillraiser’ Ron Burkle, a high-end supporter who has raised over $100,000 for Hillary Clinton and who is reportedly paying $20 million to Bill Clinton as a settlement for Mr. Clinton’s services and ownership stake in Burkle’s private investment firm, The Yucaipa Companies.

In September 2007, Yucaipa agreed to purchase a major stake in Xinhua
Finance Media, part of the Chinese government-owned media conglomerate
Xinha. Under the deal, Chicago banker David Olson, a Yucaipa partner
and Clinton supporter, became part of the board of Xinhua Finance Media
as a director.

The benefits to Xinhua from the deal are apparent. The U.S.-listed
securities of the overseas company rose to their highest level in more
than three months after the announcement of the Yucaipa stake. The deal
might not be a one-way street. A year before Burkle announced the purchase in Xinhua Finance Media,
China’s Xinhua News Agency had instituted a demand that financial news
services including Bloomberg and Reuters in China sell information
through Xinhua.

This demand, the kind usually represented as communistic, anti-Western,
or anti-free press, could dovetail neatly with some
capitalist-running-dog interests.

Reporters for Xinhua, sensitive to a potential appearance of
impropriety, have tried to balance coverage of the Clinton and Obama
campaigns. The Clinton campaign has not responded to emailed questions
and request for comment.

In March 2008, the Chicago Tribune
reported another connection linking Bill Clinton with the Chinese news
industry. Clinton was compensated for his support for an Internet
company called Accoona, whose main partner is China Daily Information
Co., a subsidiary of Chinese government-run China Daily, the country’s largest English-language newspaper.

Accoona, privately held, paid the former president with options for
200,000 shares of stock for the William J. Clinton Foundation. The
Foundation sold the shares in 2006 for $700,000.

As the Tribune reported,

“Twice in the last year, Accoona filed, and subsequently withdrew, plans for a public offering, once on London’s AIM market and more recently in the U.S. on the NASDAQ exchange.

"Accoona’s prospectus for its aborted U.S. offering pointed to some of
its difficulties. The company never had made a profit; a co-founder and
major shareholder had pleaded guilty to a felony fraud charge; and
Accoona’s key partner is a media company controlled by the Chinese
government, which often is criticized for censoring the Internet....

"Accoona’s prospectus acknowledged that the company is subject to
censorship by the Chinese government and that the “Ministry of Public
Security has the authority to order any local Internet service provider
to block any Internet Web site at its sole discretion.... Furthermore,
we are required to report any suspicious content to relevant
governmental authorities.”

China Daily put the Accoona search engine on the front page of its Web version.

A third and more personal China-Clinton connection is Sandy Berger,
Bill Clinton’s National Security Advisor and recently a foreign policy
advisor to the Clinton campaign. Samuel R. ‘Sandy’ Berger,
as readers may recall, was the former Clinton national security chief
who removed classified documents from a National Archives reading room
in October 2003, shortly before Berger was to testify to the
Independent 9/11 Commission. Berger reportedly took away one copy of
five classified copies of a Millennial Plots report, produced for
former counterterrorism advisor Richard Clarke, in September 2003, and
then took away the four remaining copies of the report the next month,
stowing them first in his clothing and then at a nearby construction
site.

Like Ron Burkle, Sandy Berger is listed as a member of the Clinton Global Initiative, the foundation established by former president Clinton which has funded his presidential library.

Berger’s recent role as foreign policy advisor in Hillary Clinton’s 2008 campaign
extends his previous roles as a fixture in foreign policy for both
Clintons. Already developing global connections, Berger was
then-Arkansas governor Bill Clinton’s foreign policy advisor during his
presidential campaign, became Assistant Transition Director for
National Security during the 1992 Clinton-Gore transition, moved into
the Clinton administration as Deputy National Security Advisor and then
became NSA.

Even back during the Clinton administration, Berger apparently did not
want China to get in trouble with his boss the then-president. He
delayed for more than a year to inform Bill Clinton that China had acquired designs of U.S. nuclear warheads.

Extending his longtime global connections, Berger is now co-Chairman and co-founder of Stonebridge International,
a DC-based advisory firm which has made substantial contributions to
the Clinton campaign and which offers its services to help companies
expand in foreign markets including China...

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Source: The Baltimore Chronicle

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Communist vs. Statist '08

Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"

Could heads roll this week?

The race in Mississispi, had the the GOP sending tons of money and even getting Dick Cheney to come out and campaign.

If it happens once, then it is a fluke, twice maybe not, three times definitely not. I remember a article on NB around February making fun of the Dems that they did not have much money in the funds.

Apparently for the Dems have about 10 times more the their GOP counterparts for congressional races at this point.

I wonder if GOP leadership heads will roll this week

When I debated with people last year, Not a day went by when someone said, something like. Can't wait to see the look on your faces when the Dems lose next year. I have not heard someone say that for a long time.

heads roll?

What heads will roll? The ones who kept this "move along, nothing to see" beat going years ago when Republicans complained about Schwarzeneggar and Bloomberg? The ones who took a beating in 2006 only to offer up John McCain?

The ones who are now forming an entire platform on "at least we're not Obama" and using the military as political leverage to blackmail Republicans into staying loyal?

The ones who appear in ads with Nancy Pelosi to discuss global warming? The ones who go along with Bush when he tells them to vote for amnesty?

Our GOP has clearly mapped their direction in spite of what voters want. Time and again they've stomped on conservatives until they couldn't take it and then blamed those conservatives for abandoning them. The leadership won't change - they'll simply tell voters to toe the line or leave the party, knowing those voters have nowhere else to go and are afraid of the boogeyman.

we had to wait over 30

we had to wait over 30 years for the Reagan revolution, and then for IKE, Teddy, Lincoln...Washington...

we will likely have to wait again, and again, and again, and again...

Civics 101 …. 545 People

Civics 101 …. 545 People By Charlie Reese – Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them. Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, we have deficits? Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, we have inflation and high taxes? You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does. You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does. You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does. You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does. You and I don't control monetary policy, The Federal Reserve Bank does. One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president and nine Supreme Court justices - 545 human beings out of the 300 million - are directly, legally, morally and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country. I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered but private central bank. I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes. Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party. What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it. The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to. It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts - of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist. If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair. If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red. If the Marines are in IRAQ, it's because they want them in IRAQ. If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way. There are no insoluble government problems. Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like 'the economy,' 'inflation' or 'politics' that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do. Those 545 people and they alone, are responsible. They and they alone, have the power. They and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses - provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees. We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess! Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper

What Republicans? I haven't

What Republicans? I haven't seen hide nor hair of them for a year - except when one of them occasionally pops up on Beck or O'Reilly to agree that the issue being discussed is a problem. As a force, with a guiding plan - there's absolutely nothing. There's no leadership apparently.

The 2009 Congress

One of the biggest problems Republicans will face in the Congress elected in November 2008 will be selecting its leadership. There is virtually no GOP leadership in the current Congress and there will be even fewer "leaders" to choose from after the upcoming trouncing. If only the Republicans could get Bob Michel back to show them how to bend over and spread their cheeks for the majority . . . .

In 1994 the people elected

In 1994 the people elected a Republican House and Senate.  The GOP ran on conservative principles.  Since then they have drifted away, betraying the voters who elected them.  As a result, in '06 they lost Congress.  Now they give us a RINO to choose from?

Either there is a conservative coup at the convention dumping McCain, or the GOP will lose big-time. (McCain might win the presidency with all those white democrat votes, but congress will be back to the era of LBJ, Nixon and Carter)

The Dems who won in '06 ran as conservatives, and it was a conservative Democrat who won in Mississippi against a liberal Republican.  Yet the GOP is poking their own conservative base in the eye and somehow expects us to vote for them anyway?

The GOP is so damned dumb its frustrating as hell.  Every single time they run away from conservatism they lose.  Helloooo!

It's high time for the RINOs to get their asses kicked.

How about the non RHINO's getting their asses kicked?

George Allen and many others who lost last yr, ran on consverative principals, they lost as well. Maybe there is not always a easy formula

not really shawn

George Allen's macaca moment killed his chances before he even started. Not that he was "swiftboated" or anything....

Macaca

Macaca, macaca, macaca.

It`s not the Rinos, Shawn

,but rather the GUANOS that are killing the Republican party.Guano is a more polite way of saying Bat S**t! Not only is GUANO killing the GOP, it`s killing the USA.
End the GUANO phenomenon, Vote Only for A dyed in the wool
American Nationalist Patriot.
No, I won`t vote for Larry ,Moe, or Curly for President in 2008. I would vote for Theodore Roosevelt, but I boubt I`ll be allowed to write his name in on my ballot! RAAAAATZ!

For some time now we have

For some time now we have been discussing, hoping for, wishing for, Praying for, the formation of a viable third political party in the U.S.A., based on Christian Principles and the [Christian] principles of our Founding Fathers as is demonsrated in our Constitution and our Bill of Rights. We beleive the republican party and certainly the democratic party have failed this country by turning away from God, by failing to protect the unborn, by removing God and Prayer from our schools, our government bodies, our courts, our criminal justice system, and other public institutions, and a long list of other failures, including border security, illegal immigration, drug trafficing, welfare, and the failure to maintain a strong military and the abuse of the military we have, plus a long list of greviounces to numerous to air in this letter but including the social economic stucture and opportunity of this nation as we speak. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer, and those in between are standing on a foundation of quicksand called credit.

   Here are some ideas and suggestions; The name of the party, American Patriots Party, the motto, Keep it Simple, Seek the Truth, the mission of the party founded on the Principle that God is the Creator of all Life and all Things, He is the Alfa and the Omega. The first platform being that all Life is Sacred and Protected from the moment of Conception by the Constitution of the United States of America. Other social platforms would spring from this cornerstone platform, and their would be many.

   On another level this country needs a direction and a vision for the future of doing great things and creating great opportunities as we did the first 175 years are so of our history, instead of watching our industry move overseas and our living standard decline untill we become a nation of servants, serfs, and peons. In our past we pioneered and settled and tamed vast areas of wilderness, invented many inventions to use our natural resources, and created industry to become the best nation on Earth with the best standard of living and we were a free, self-reliant, and independant people. We built railroads coast to coast and border to border north to south, we have built major hi-ways coast to coast and border to border north to south, we put a man on the moon, we drilled for oil and built refinerys, we built dams and power plants and generated electricity coast to coast, border to border. We harnessed nuclear power. We put vast ares of wilderness into cultivation and produced enough food to feed the world. We harvested millions of acreas of forestry and built the finest housing in the world and furnished timber for the rest of the world, and coal and copper, gold and silver, and on and on and on. What we need today is to aquafi the desert Southwest and create a modern day Garden of Eden. We need to and we can pump water from the Great Lakes, Niagra Falls, the Mississippi, etc.etc., and recharge the Ogalala Aquaifier and others and build dams and fill lakes so as to irrigate and furnish water to the entire desert Southwest. This would create a population shift from the East to the West creating opportunity, industry and jobs, renewing the pioneer spirit and creating a new generation of independant, self-reliant people. Shifting the dense population from the East and spreading them out over the Southwest would alleviate many of the social problems of dense populations such as crime, welfareism, i.e. Socialism. With the right leadership this can be done, and many other great visions and projects can be accomplished, but it will never happen with the current leadership of the republican and democratic parties because they are to intent on protecting the status-quo and they're cowardice and hypocracy no longer has the respect and confidence of the mainstream of this nation

Allen didn't lose because

Allen didn't lose because of conservatism, he lost because of a smear campaign.

If you're interested in fact and not just Lib blowhardism, the truth is that most people live their lives according to conservative principles, and when politicians espouse conservative ideas, they win, and when they abandon them, they lose.

This is why Bush 1 lost after raising taxes and moving Left from the Reagan era; whereas Bill Clinton won on the "new Democrat" idea, the promise of a middle class tax cut and making sure he had his picture taken coming out of church with a bible in his hand.

BTW It's "RINOs"  (republicans in name only), not "Rhinos."

Conservatism

Our party is no longer advocating consersvative principles. Too many are seeking middle ground rather than fighting for beliefs. Which party is attacking which? And which party fights with facts?

Why is only America being punished for global warming? Why should the RNC support the fight?

The market is closing in on 13,000, the jobless rate is down, retail sales are up, why should the RNC concede to a poor economy?

Our country has not been attacked since 9/11, Iraq is under control, and terrorism is being defeated. Where is the RNC?

What were gas prices when the DNC took over congress in 2006? 

JDW

If you mention ANWR it means you don't care about the environment but when congress says ANWR it means you don't care about the gasoline prices

"Our party is no longer

"Our party is no longer advocating consersvative principles."

 Which is why they lost in '06 and will lose again in '08.  (McCain could still win the election, but with a Dem congress and a RINO prez, it might as well be all Dems...)

If I vote this year, I'll probably write in Elmer Fudd.

Conservatives

You know what strikes me about the recent loss in Mississippi? The winning Democrat is conservative.

The national strategy, apparently designed by Rahm Emmanuel, is for Democrats to put forward conservatives in normally conservative districts. Let the liberals hold their own in liberal districts, but use conservatives to win the rest. Think of Heath Shuler in 2006, a mostly conservative Democrat. In those districts, then, the choice is no longer between liberals and conservatives (where the liberals would get crushed). Instead, since the ideology is a washout, the only differentiator is the party. And since the Republican party has been guilty of scandals, spending, and stupidity over the last few years, people are perfectly willing to accept Democrats, so long as they're conservative.

Emmanuel's trick, of course, is to pad the party caucus with enough conservatives to hold the majority, without allowing the conservatives to actually affect any ideological change within the party. The Democrat conservatives are simply stooges, used to advance an ultimately liberal agenda. Will the Republican party learn this lesson? They lose when they abandon conservativism.

Which brings to mind two points:

  1. When Bush campaigned for Chaffee in Rhode Island, or for Spector in Pennsylvania, it was the same principle. The Republicans were happy abandon conservatives for the sake of holding the seat. They have no right to complain now that the Democrats are doing the same thing.
  2. You may hate the guy, but you have to respect Emmanuel. He's a very smart guy. I wish we had him on our side.

Maybe the only hope for conservatives is to "flood the zone" with conservative Democrats, so that the conservatives will acquire enough strength within the party to muffle the extreme liberalism. Probably too much to hope for, I suppose. But who knows? Maybe we can redeem Democrats. When Reagan said that he never left the Democrat party, but that they left him ... maybe the Democrats can return. We'll take them back.

I agree, I don't look at

I agree, I don't look at party...I look at issues and if a democrat is conservative and sticks to those issues I would have no problem voting for them. It's the liberal wackos in the Dem party that scare me (RINOs too).

"They need to have a course in college called common sense and everyone should take it. Problem is there isn't too many people that could pass or teach it." -my grandfather

Tater with this strtegy "I

Tater with this strtegy "I agree, I don't look at party...I look at issues and if a democrat is conservative and sticks to those issues I would have no problem voting for them" is fine except they are Dmocrat and vote Democrat.  Lieberman is a fine example.  He is independent, but votes with the Senate Dem cacus and is placed in Dem collum for majority.  In congress it is an advantage to be in the majority because you get to pick what goes before the full body and what does not.  In other words you are in control.

This is one of the big problems besides the GOP does not know how to act while in control.  Now to get back to the point about electing baby Democrats is that they grow to be bigger ones and may get to the point of becoming President one day.  Just look at baby Democrat Obama and his metoric rise to the candicacy of the Democratic party.

So my opinion is never vote for a Democrat.  It sorta goes to the theme of "Never give a monkley a gun, no matter how resposible he seems"

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

hafta disagree slightly

Honestly, if I got the chance to choose between Joe Leiberman and John McCain I'd vote for Leiberman.

Political parties shift and change over the years - what's considered a Republican value now might be a Dem value in another generation and vise versa.

Consider the Republicans in WW2 who were strict isolationists. They perpetuated the whispered rumors of FDR knowing about Pearl Harbor, and famous Republicans like Clare Boothe Luce even publicly said that the Roosevelts had "lied us into a war."

Not to mention Herbert Hoover and the end of a laissez faire economy.

So voting blindly down party lines isn't a very good long-term strategy.

So why is Lieberman part

So why is Lieberman part of the Dem caucus and votes liberal 99% of the time.  A snake is a snake some are just more deadly than others.  Would you let Satan in to your house and let him make decisions for you?  You realize that no matter what Satan says he is still evil.  No matter how many flaws McCain has he will still vote more conservative than Lieberman.  Can you imagine SCOTUS with Democrat picks?  Ms Pelosi what list do you have for SCOTUS?

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

The Dems wouldn't be able to

The Dems wouldn't be able to pull it off if the Republicans would have stuck to conservatism over the years.

The operative word is that

The operative word is that these Dems RUN as Conservatives. Their voting record once they get in, is the opposite of Conservative. In fact, Ron Tester (D) Mont. ran as a Conservative, when in office, he voted more Liberal than Shumer(D) NY. All in all I would not like to have either one of these as a Republican. Look closely, they are wolves in sheep's clothing. There is a difference in Conservatives. It all boils down to say and do.

Is disaster looming for

Is disaster looming for Congressional Republicans?

Of Biblical proportion.

The one thing I did notice

The one thing I did notice here in La, is that many of the candidate are not advertising their party affiliate. A conservative neighboring district voted in a Dem, and many of them that I talked to suggested they thought by his speeches he was a Repub. Now they have all found out that Nancy Pelosi was financing his campaign. So I was wondering, are the Dems going out of their way to hide their political party in some parts?

Even so it should had been clear on the ballet.

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Stealth Democrats?

Stealth Democrats?

so-called conservative Dems

Ann Coulter has commented on this phenomenon. As always, she's the pioneer in finding the truth.

Internet Pioneer CNET Plunges into CBS' Bottomless Tar Pit.

CBS said Thursday it would buy CNET Networks
for $1.8 billion in cash, marking its biggest online acquisition since
hiring Quincy Smith, a former media and technology investment banker,
to lead its interactive unit in late 2006. The deal came as CNET, whose
assets include a popular technology-news Web site, was trying to fend
off a group of activist investors seeking to take control of its board
of directors.

A year and a half ago, Leslie Moonves, the chief executive of CBS, sought to reassure Wall Street that his efforts to expand CBS’s Web footprint would not include expensive acquisitions.

“We are not going to spend $1.6 billion on YouTube,” he told The New York Times, referring to the video-sharing site that Google had recently bought. “We are looking for the next YouTube and Quincy knows all the players.”

Mr. Moonves now appears to have decided that CBS needs to spend at
least that much to build out its Internet presence and make it
attractive to advertisers.

“There are very few opportunities to acquire a profitable, growing,
well-managed Internet company like CNET Networks,” he said in a press
release Thursday. “Together, CBS and CNET Networks will have
significant additional exposure to the fastest-growing advertising
sector and can accelerate our growth through a number of new content,
promotion and advertising initiatives.”

More >>

http://dealbook.blog...

Source: NY Times
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Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"

Amazing, isn't it, the last

Amazing, isn't it, the last time the Republicans won control of Congress, many were talking about a "permanent Republican majority". Now, look where we are. Something big has got to happen. Where are the 1980 Reagans and the 1994 Gingriches? Are there any giants left, or are they all midgets now?

There are a few good men

There are a few good men left, but without the leadership pushing for them, they can't get anywhere. The leadership has decided to play the Dems game, and they aren't changing their minds until voters tell them to do otherwise.

www.rhjunior.com Great comics with a hefty dose of Christian and anti-nutjob goodness.

"With your mind as high as Mt. Fuji you can see all things clearly. And you can see all the forces that shape events; not just the things near to you." -Miyamoto Musashi

The only problem with that

The only problem with that is, by the time they get the voters message, they've already been voted out of office and on their way to a DC lobbying group or think tank.

I suppose it'll take an BHO

I suppose it'll take an BHO administration to shake up what true Conservatives are remaining in America. Lord knows, the young Conservatives coming up will have to learn from their parents on how to be a true Conservative, because they will get no training in school in it.

I am in the group of Conservatives that came into our own when Carter was running and then won. We remember. Now our children are adults with children of their own. They have to continue to push Conservative principles, and from what I have seen they will. We just have to be patient. In the end Conservative principles will win out. Apparently, we just have to have a wake up call every 20 or 30 years or so. We'll be alright.

Hollywood and the media have successfully

Hollywood and the media have successfully changed public opinion and there will be no changing it back until a few huge disasters happens under the Obama Administration in his second term.

Everything that happens in Obama's first term will still be blamed on Bush.
The media will never be very critical of Obama and the Dem House and Senate except when they aren't far left enough.

I don't think we will ever come back from this so I'm going to try to get used to the idea of living off the government. I think I'm going to go buy a nice new house that I can't afford and let the government bail me out while they still can.

Hey Dee, maybe we can start

Hey Dee, maybe we can start a government-subsidized business in Obama's proposed new "green industry". I wonder if anyone can get a subsidy?

I believe the GOP will suffer even more losses

I've responded with a letter and a simple 'plan' to nearly every request from the RNC, and Republican leadership committee (many) requests for donations in the last 3 years with ZERO $ donations.  Prior to that I contributed modestly ($300 - $600/year) with no correspondence.  I've been receiving phone calls from these committees practically begging for donations, and I ask a series of questions (mostly all 'why should I support Republicans?' and 'who is leading the party?' and 'what is your plan for America?'.  Their answer is always 'We can't let the Democrats take control!'  I ask how they are any different?  They hang up on me.  I do not use profanity, I ask pertinent questions.  The current GOP 'doesn't get it'.  Hanging up on previous donors isn't going to help.  Strong  conservative leadership is the answer.  This answer does not exist in any political party today.  For America to continue to prosper, this is a necessity.  It will happen.  Hopefully the pending short-term disasters will not be too severe, so that they may truly be 'short-term'.  Only time will tell.  I have NEVER received a written response to ANY of my correspondence.  It's clear they are not listening, nor really care. I have zero confidence they will be able to correct this in 6 months.  God help us all.

 

To know and not do, is to not yet know

Tomb It's far too late.

Tomb

It's far too late. Republicans, for the most part, are no different from Democrats--McCain is a prime example. If this is what the GOP has come to then it's high time for conservatives to either revolt and take the party back, or leave it to its own destruction and form an actual Conservative Party.

Hopeless award nominee

Alan Keyes, upon being rejected by one smaller-than-the-Libertarians political party, goes and forms his own, even smaller, version.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

sarc -- The British Liberal

sarc -- The British Liberal party had its ups and downs, before it merged with the Social Democrat party in the 1980s on a big down...

Just before that happened, the joke was that the Liberal party was now so small it held its annual convention in a phone booth.

The Keyes news just made me think of that!!

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

Politico is being optimistic, the GOP is rudderless.

Is it as bad as Politico makes out? Do such potential losses make it
even more imperative for disenchanted Conservatives to vote for McCain?
Can he have any coattail at all, especially against a socialist like
Obama? Is there anything Republicans can do in the next five and a half
months to avoid this trainwreck, or is it too late?

Politico is being optimistic. Panamanian Strongman Juan McCain is an old school Statist. The only difference between a Statist and a Socialist is the color of the boot they use to kick in your front door. The GOP can't survive the endorsment of a lunatic like McCain.

The convention delegates haven't cast their ballots yet, so it's not too late to turn the boot on Panamanian born John McCain, but time's a wastin'. We must shine the spotlight on McCain's fatal flaw; his non-US birthplace disqualifies him from obtaining the office of President.

Read the article linked below, and spread the word, John McCain's campaign ship has slammed into an iceberg called the US Constitution's "Natural Born" clause.

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Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"

britcom -- do you type away

britcom -- do you type away in your cool Panama hat?

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

My dad has one he wears

My dad has one he wears while he works in his yard under the Florida sun.

I wear my Devil Rays cap. :)

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Communist vs. Statist '08

Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"

Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"

I dunno, is every pregnant Mexican that can crawl across the Rio Grande and drop their fetus on American soil an a American  "citizen?"

For Christ's sakes, McCain's parents were American Naval Personell serving in the Canal Zone !

How the fu*k is that germane to anything?

 

It's a tag line, lots of people have one.

Click on the link to find the answer to your question.
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Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"

Hillary indie run ... not so fast

Think bigger ... McCain/Clinton

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

Rush 2nd hour -- cons about to get more McCain rage

Just when conservatives don't think things can get worse -- get ready for rage...

Rush is touting his second hour on a McCain speech today that's going to have all conservatives in a purple faced rage.

Sounds like anyone on heart medicine would be well advised to sit out Libaugh today.

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

I am planning to vote for a

I am planning to vote for a Democrat president for the first time in my life, and here's why:

1.  Obama is insanely leftist and socialist.  There is little to no chance that any really loony ideas he has will pass a Congress with a lot of Conservative/Moderate Democrats in it.  If these Rahm Emmanuel guys support Obama, they're going to be toast in their districts.  McCain will support the same causes as Obama, but to a lesser extent... one that I fear will pass the Congress.

2.  I think the reason we had such a poor slate of candidates this year is that out A-team decided this election was going to be a loser due to the war, and opted to sit out.  I think they will be ready to go in 2012, and I don't want to see Republicans forced to support a RINO President McCain instead of getting a real conservative into the Oval Office.

3.  When McCain does head off down the RINO trail, the Republicans in the Congress will be forced to oppose him, which will be horrible for the party.  I would rather see the Democrats in the Congress opposing Obama.

The one regret in my life,

The one regret in my life, besides not finishing college, is voting for Peanut boy.  I chalk it up to being young and stupid, well I am no longer young and hopefully not as stupid.  I will not vote for another Carter.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Dan... It has nothing to

Dan...

It has nothing to do with being smart or stupid. It has everything to do with wisdom. 

"Abstain from McCain"

Dan

Please drop the Carter thing. I am reminded quiet often about my vote for Jimma by my wife. She won't let me live it down. My biggest regret was that I didn't go ahead and stay in the Army for 20.  

A bitter, clingy gun owner who drives a 4-WD truck with a gun rack and goes to church and studies the Bible.

But here's a thought...

But here's a thought... without four years of peanut boy, there is no Ronald Reagan.  Without the Clintons there is no Republican revolution.  Without four years of Obama we'll get eight years of a RINO McCain.  I would rather deal with Obama for four years, let him and the Dems in Congress make a mess, and get some solid conservatives into office in 2012 to make things right.

Without four years of

Without four years of Peanut we dont have the problem we have now with Iran.  Of course Ford was pretty tepid as President.  I look at Scotus picks, Ginsberg is 75 and Stevens is 88 Scalia and Souter are 72 or so.  So in teh next four years there is a likelyhood of appointing a judge or perhaps more.  So Obie appoints Hillary or worse.

We live in perilous times.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

SCOTUS is a big issue

We cannot ignore the importance of SCOTUS appointments. An ultra-liberal POTUS would definitely push liberal justices and PUBs do not have the backbone to stop it.

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

But I Might Be Wrong

"It is sad that President Bush would use a speech to the Knesset on the
60th anniversary of Israel's independence to launch a false political
attack. George Bush knows that I have never supported engagement with
terrorists.
"

Obama campaign May 15, 2008, in response to the President of the United States' speech on the 60th aniversary of Israel.

If Barack Obama's campaign's believes the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea, would prefer his embrace to the Fierce Justice of Now -- he's probably right.

George Bush knows that I

George Bush knows that I have never supported engagement with
terrorists

Obama said that? I presume he means military engagement. I believe him.

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

7 people just decided Calif gay "marriage"

By a 4-3 decision, Calif's supreme court said "Civil unions simply aren't enough -- we gotta make man-to-man lovin' legal, else all the San Fran queers might hate us".

Another successful attempt by a court to overturn thousands of years worth of society, and replace it with the "definition-de-jour".

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