For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: how's that inflation thing working out for you?
The Labor Department reported Wednesday that consumer prices edged up 0.2 percent last month, compared to a 0.3 percent rise in March. The lower inflation reflected a flat reading for energy, which helped offset a 0.9 percent jump in food costs as prices climbed for many basic items, from bread and milk to coffee and fresh fruits. The unchanged reading for energy reflected a big 4.8 percent jump in natural gas prices, offset by a 2 percent decline in gasoline costs. The reported drop in gasoline prices reflected the government's accounting process, which discounts expected seasonal price changes. Since gasoline prices normally rise significantly in April, the 5.6 percent rise in prices for the month turned into a 2 percent drop after the government adjusted for normal seasonal changes.
You folly that? </archie bunker voice> Listen closely : although food prices went up by 0.9 percent, and gas prices by 5.6 percent, because of seasonal adjustments, and other government accounting machinations, "Core inflation, which excludes food and energy, showed prices well behaved in April, rising by just 0.1 percent, compared to a 0.2 percent gain in March" -- which means that if you don't eat, and you don't drive, you're fine!
Is that the way you see it, or are the prices at the pump and at the checkout counter having a demonstrable impact on you and yours?
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And since we're talkin' inflation
May 14, 2008 - 09:35 ET by sarcasmoMy post from yesterday's Open Thread applies here. Again, DON'T think about those graphs.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
I got a nasty habit of
May 14, 2008 - 09:39 ET by taterI got a nasty habit of wanting to eat and have to drive to get the funds to eat. But I'm also single and don't really buy anything else (other than rent, health insurance, and student loans)...so it hasn't impacted me to the point I'm living out of a van, missing my "4 dollar" breakfast, or not going to church.
"They need to have a course in college called common sense and everyone should take it. Problem is there isn't too many people that could pass or teach it." -my grandfather
Could be worse
May 14, 2008 - 09:39 ET by expatriotLiving in Europe we have to contend with the falling dollar, rising euro and rising gas prices. It has to impact day to day life and the bean counters who come up with these explanations can make 1+1 = 6 and show you how. Until we drill and increase refineries with a liberal smattering of nuke plants things will continue to get worse. When we become more independent then we will see the economy really take off.
»→ Irena Sendler
May 14, 2008 - 09:49 ET by Cool ArrowIrena Sendler, savior of 2500 Jewish children in the Warsaw Ghetto, died at 98.
Newsbusters reported last year Al Gore won the Nobel Peace prize over her for his efforts to starve third world children by diverting food grain to ethanol.
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I saw that on Atlas
May 14, 2008 - 10:24 ET by amberI saw that on Atlas yesterday. God bless her. I would love to see that meeting.
Hey, if they gave out a
May 14, 2008 - 14:03 ET by Hero SquadHey, if they gave out a Nobel Peace Prize to everyone that was more deserving than Al Gore, he'd have to wait another 75 million years before he got one.
R.I.P. Irene... your motivation to do good far outweighed your need for a little ego-stroke trophy to tell everyone else that it was good.
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"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
So there we have it....
May 14, 2008 - 09:49 ET by c5thenBecause gasoline prices "normally" rise in April, and they didn't rise as much as the Government expected, that is reported as a "drop" and it helps offset the massive increase in food prices (because of the fuel costs to transport) and everything is fine, don't worry be happy. Meanwhile, the FED keeps producing more and more of it's fiat paper currencey and it keeps dropping against all the other international currencies.
If a coproration kept their "books" the way the government does it would be fined by the SEC and it's officers imprisoned.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.
McCain Wins Nebraska Race...No One Cares
May 14, 2008 - 09:51 ET by Britcom---
Communist vs. Statist '08
Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"
Shame on these people.
May 14, 2008 - 09:52 ET by Increase MatherShame on the people who "figure" inflation...figures lie and liars figure....
Here in Michigan people are making choices of paying last winter's overdue heating bills, buying gasoline, or food. It's little wonder so many homes are in foreclosure....
...and the conservative candidate for President is talking about madatory new taxes for "global warming"....maybe he's been talking to Al Gore.
Washington simply does not get us, they don't understand how we live and how hard most work to make ends meet....
...this shows our government is completely disfunctional.
Throw them all out.
Govt. re-start fresh
May 14, 2008 - 10:10 ET by MaximusBraveheartOur government needs to do a hard restart... after a total rework that is. Get rid of 75% of all departments and all of the cr*p that hinders people from running a business. Get rid of all the IRS nonsense. Have basic regulations but not all this protectionism that many laws set up. Have private trade groups set industry standards for certified products. Get the government OUT of peoples' lives so life can carry on. For the most part, government is a bunch of inefficient parasites! Now the govt. is going to run healthcare? Very scary; just unreal!
AMEN & AMEN
May 14, 2008 - 10:13 ET by NortoAMEN & AMEN
and another Amen
May 14, 2008 - 10:16 ET by amberand another Amen
gotta love government math
May 14, 2008 - 09:54 ET by candanceThat's some awful fancy footwork there. It comforts me so much to know that these are the best minds we have to handle the country!
My grocery bill has almost doubled and hubby's commute to work is really starting to annoy him. We have a small apartment, share one vehicle, buy our needs at Wal Mart, and cook at home every night, so we're already living on the smallest means we can; right now we're doing fine, but the tipping point is getting closer.
"TIPPING POINT" is
May 14, 2008 - 10:16 ET by Norto"TIPPING POINT" is appropriate and not too unrealistic! What is going to happen when people are cold and hungry? The US will begin to look very third world and we stand to lose much of what we cherish, and the devil will be in it.
buy our needs at Wal
May 14, 2008 - 11:07 ET by Jack BauerIs that the same great value, yet totally evil, Wal-Mart the Democrats seek to demonize at every opportunity?
I wonder how that fits in with their agenda of COMPLAINING about rising food prices as they demagogue against the place with lower prices?
I sense a disconnect here.
huh?
May 14, 2008 - 11:09 ET by candanceI'm not a Democrat and have never complained about Wal Mart on here.
Clearly, from both our experiences...
May 14, 2008 - 11:15 ET by sarcasmoIt's reading-comprehension day at NB. ;)
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
I think you missed Jack's
May 14, 2008 - 11:18 ET by RESTLESS 1I think you missed Jack's point. He wasn't saying you complained about Wal-Mart, just pointed out the irony of dems demonizing the place when their prices keep their voter's heads above water.
It wasn't aimed at you at
May 14, 2008 - 11:20 ET by Jack BauerIt wasn't aimed at you at all. I know you're not a Democrat!
It was a general observation based on the current rises in food prices, piggy backing on your post.
I was just wondering how Democrats squared their slams again Wal Mart -- then complained about rising food prices.
Just like they complain about gas prices, yet that's exactly what you get following their policies, ie No Anwar. And too many Reps too.
LOL Jack
May 14, 2008 - 11:22 ET by candanceNow I understand!
slight confusion. nothing to
May 14, 2008 - 11:45 ET by Jack Bauerslight confusion. nothing to see here. move along now!
Not until I see you do it
May 14, 2008 - 11:48 ET by Chris NormanNot until I see you do it again. That was fun.
Democrats take yet another house seat
May 14, 2008 - 09:57 ET by shawn228Miss Democrat wins house seat in special election.
Last time I said these same words in a heading a few weeks ago, I was asked if it gave me some sort of thrill to report this news.
No, It does not give me a thrill. "Certainly not the thrill up my leg" like Chris Mathews either.
I do however, find stuff like this is Newsworthy and I did not see any references about it on Newsbusters, so that is why i am posting it.
I'm actually curious on how the Democrats captured a seat last week, held by Republicans for 30 yrs. The race yesterday, the GOP brought out the big guns, Cheney was out campaigning just a week ago. Why did the Dems get this seat? How did the Dems get Dennis Haserts seat? This Democratic congress have done a terrible job. I'm actually very surprised. Is it the msm fault? or the GOP themselves. If they want to take back the house, they better prepare for battle, the lead by the Dems is now 236-199
'Sup Shawn,
May 14, 2008 - 11:26 ET by RESTLESS 1I would have to say it is the fault of the GOP, with some help from the msm. At this point, I would think GOP'ers would run for the hills when they see a member of the current administration coming to campaign for them. Some of it is their own fault, some of it, due to constant demonization from the msm.
I don't see much hope for winning back any seats in either the House or Senate. We will probably lose some in both. With Barack on the ballot, voters will tend to be younger, and young people trend democrat.
check out the Trent Lott angle on this loss
May 14, 2008 - 11:39 ET by sarcasmoExposed in Reason's blog.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Interesting
May 14, 2008 - 11:53 ET by Noel SheppardInteresting. As I mentioned to someone in the McCain poll thread, I think Republicans are going to be able to continue to move to the left as long as Democrats do the same. However, if Democrats move to the right -- as some successfully did in conservative districts in 2006 -- there comes a point where Pubs are going to have to veer to the right or cede conservatism to the Dems.
This has happened in history before. It could happen again. Frankly, I think this is the Dems' best opportunity in the future, but I doubt they'll listen to me. :-)
Rev. Manning is back
May 14, 2008 - 10:02 ET by ricklailSee the Rev Manning's take on the unholy trinity of Oprah, Barruch and Jeremiah Wright.
"A pharisee is hard on others and easy on himself, but a spiritual man is easy on others and hard on himself." A.W. Tozer (Pharisee=modern day liberal)
I know i am feeling it
May 14, 2008 - 10:04 ET by shawn228I know that it cost close to 70 dollars to fill up my 16 gallon tank. My work is 17 miles away, so I have to do quite a bit of driving.
Groceries cost a lot more money, I am noticing that even people with great credit are deciding to foreclose on their homes instead of paying off their loan.
These are hard times and I believe they will get worse.
Shawn, try a 30 gal diesel
May 14, 2008 - 10:15 ET by amberShawn, try a 30 gal diesel fill up, over $120 each time!!! We get about 18-19 MPG in our 3/4 ton, crew cab, long box diesel which is really good. Aweful.
I grow most of my food, raise most of my meat or hunt for it and the cost of feeding my animals has skyrocketed. I repeat, it doubled in 2 years! I feel it now, but people who think food prices are high now, just wait till you feel it for real. I really do not forsee across the board wage increases at around 10% either.
If food and oil prices are rising, everything else is soon to follow, no big deal as long as those rises are moderate, but they are not.
I hear ya amber
May 14, 2008 - 10:37 ET by shawn228Seems Ken Shepard almost has a weekly post about how the msm are manipulating gas prices. I have yet to see NB acknowledge how bad they are.
This is only the beginning, the price of food will extend from milk, corn and bread. It will affect everything.
agreed Shawn
May 14, 2008 - 10:50 ET by candanceI know the media loves to emphasize the bad, but I don't think they have the power to wave a magic wand and change the prices at the gas station.
Up to this point most conservatives (including Rush) have been maintaining this "move along, nothing to see" approach and acting like you're a whiny Democrat if you worry about the economy, and up until now NB has carried that banner. Strange we've suddenly decided to worry now.
shawn no one here says that
May 14, 2008 - 11:15 ET by motherbeltshawn no one here says that they manipulate gas prices.
What has been said is that they "inflate" the increase by saying the "average" price is say 3.69 a gallon, but then have a screen shot of someplace in Calif. where the price is 4.49 or something like that. It's disingenuous.
Here's one example that Ken Shepherd used.
If Matthew's not too busy on his honeymoon
May 14, 2008 - 11:22 ET by sarcasmoAnd for his own sake, I hope he is, :) there's a run down looking gas station just as you're leaving the town of Key West. $5.00/gallon would probably be cheap at that place, if it's still there. If Matthew took a picture of their gas price sign, would it be ethical for the news media to use that pic in a story about overall Florida gasoline prices? I think not.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Nobody better be getting a
May 14, 2008 - 14:11 ET by Hero SquadNobody better be getting a post card from him this week.
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"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
I noticed the price of one particular food product yesterday
May 14, 2008 - 10:16 ET by sarcasmoMcCormick brand whole black peppercorns are now over $5 for a little plastic bottle of them. Sadly, my local MegaLoMart doesn't sell larger quantities. I use black pepper a lot. In fact, I use red and white and jalapeno and habanero peppers a lot, too. But I always use lots of black pepper. I'd estimate my black pepper habit now costs somewhere between $10 and $15 a year, which is causing me to research the growing conditions for piper nigrum.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
I bet most addicts (of
May 14, 2008 - 10:35 ET by JasonCI bet most addicts (of anything) would be quite jealous of a $10-$15/year habit.
Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva
True, it's not like my expensive chocolate habit
May 14, 2008 - 10:52 ET by sarcasmoBut chances are good if we grow black pepper I'll end up with enough to give it away. Almost everyone uses black pepper, and this stuff's getting valuable. Plus if we grow it the product is likely to be better tasting/hotter once we get good at giving the plant what it likes.
I'm think I'm remembering the same item was under $2.50 about 10 years ago. It's also a bit weird that our MegaLoMart doesn't sell big bags of it because they sell wholesale quantities of 'most everything else.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
ARe you a Costco
May 14, 2008 - 11:26 ET by motherbeltARe you a Costco member?
I just bought 6 oz. of black tellicherry (sp) peppercorns in a grinder for less than $6
Spices have always been valuable; (saffron goes for about $200 an ounce!) Fortunately, even though the price per pound is exorbitant, we use them in small quantities, so they last a comparatively long time. I just bought a 1 oz jar of ground cloves that cost me almost $5.
Which is why, in spite of them saying they lose their strength, I do NOT throw spices away and replace them every year like they say you should. I live with it; add a bit more. LOL
No, but that sounds like a good deal!
May 14, 2008 - 11:26 ET by sarcasmoI own a really nice stainless steel pepper grinder already, but that's tempting for the price even if I toss the free grinder. I'll have to look and see how many ounces McCormick sold me. [edit: The McCormick black pepper package is 4.25 ounces/120 grams.]
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
MB
May 14, 2008 - 11:42 ET by RESTLESS 1You sound like an excellent cook. What's for dinner? :)
Sarc,
May 14, 2008 - 11:33 ET by RESTLESS 1Just be glad that McCormick brand if enough to feed your habit. I have to go and get the "fancy" different colored blend from India. I wonder if the govt. can bail me out of my stupid pepper buying choices.
Btw, when you get those growing conditions for "piper nigrum", feel free to pass them my way. Texas should be good for that kind of thing.
Hey, restless, McCormick has
May 14, 2008 - 15:17 ET by motherbeltHey, restless, McCormick has that in its own grinder in the supermarkets too, right next to the black: it's red, white, and I think green?
»→ Shawn
May 14, 2008 - 10:16 ET by Cool ArrowAre these people who have occupied their homes for a substantial period of time?
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Cool Arrow
May 14, 2008 - 10:30 ET by shawn228It usually falls into two different categories. The first is the people with interest only loans. The second are the people than refinanced with a new mortgage only to see their property value nosedive and owe more than their home is worth.
It really falls into one
May 14, 2008 - 10:33 ET by Dan The Man 2It really falls into one category, those who wanted to cash in on what they thought was a good deal and lost. The numbers are probably not big in relation to thoses who pay for their homes like normal.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
well dan
May 14, 2008 - 10:44 ET by candanceIt's not fair to say that all of those people were trying to cash in on some lucrative deal.
I have a sister who bought a home several years ago with plenty of income to make the payments. At the time she signed up for it, she had no idea gas would be 4 bucks a gallon and meat would be "on sale" for 3 bucks a pound, and that it would all happen much faster than a yearly raise would cover.
People on here always say don't put yourself in a situation where you're over your head and I completely agree with that. But current inflation is more than a little bump in the road and most people 10 or 20 years ago could never have seen this coming.
She hasn't abandoned her home because she was fortunate enough to sell it. She had gotten the mortgage paid down to where she could sell it for less than its value and basically break even.
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May 14, 2008 - 10:52 ET by Cool Arrow"she was fortunate enough to sell it"
That sounds like the act of a person who had some equity. Did she get anything back from the sale, or just break even/lose money?
How much did she have invested? How long did she own it?
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Cool Arrow
May 14, 2008 - 10:55 ET by candanceShe bought the house about ten years ago with a down payment of 30K. She's now selling it for the cost of the mortgage just to get away from it.
»→ Really candance
May 14, 2008 - 10:59 ET by Cool ArrowTen years with no appreciation and a 30k down payment and no second mortgage ever having been taken?
Did she live in Detroit?
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let me explain cool
May 14, 2008 - 11:06 ET by candanceThere was never a second mortgage and the property has appreciated a little.
But that's not the point. She wanted to get away from it because her commute to work was killing her (it's out in the country a ways). With the economy being in the shape it's in, she couldn't find a buyer who was willing to pay the full value. She had to decide between living there several more years to find a good buyer or sell it for even and wash her hands of it - she chose the latter.
»→ candance
May 14, 2008 - 11:36 ET by Cool ArrowEven out here in the sticks of West Texas, a $30,000 down payment and 10 years of appreciation would have netted much more than the original down payment.
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well cool
May 14, 2008 - 11:42 ET by candanceHer house is in Walnut Cove, NC. Like I say she could have held out for a better deal but couldn't afford to wait. Her interest rate was kinda high so that also padded the debt she still owed.
»→ I understand, candance
May 14, 2008 - 11:53 ET by Cool Arrow18 years ago I let a house go back to the bank just because I was choking on more than I could chew.
It was our bad decision to trade in the old smaller house for the albatross.
What it did was instill in me a resolution to never let it happen again.
I'm p*ssed that the government is bailing out the mortgage industry.
My kids are house hunting right now, at the beginning of a very exciting cycle for buyers.
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»→ Dan's right Shawn
May 14, 2008 - 10:47 ET by Cool ArrowIf they have nothing invested, they are losing NOTHING.
Once you've sucked out the equity with a second mortgage, what's the incentive to stay?
Don't fall for the little pity party being thrown by the MSM on this issue. It's nothing more than letting that sofa go back to RENT 2 OWN
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Not paying loan when upside down
May 14, 2008 - 10:16 ET by MaximusBraveheartThat is irritating when people do that. Plus that will make prices fall even more. You took X dollars and agreed to the terms of payback. What does it matter what the value of your house is? If it burns down you don't have to pay it back?
»→ Maximus
May 14, 2008 - 10:23 ET by Cool ArrowI look at it a little differently.
My home is paid off and I like living where I am.
Granted, the value of my home may be going down in the real market, but my son should have less trouble finding more house for the money.
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17 mile commute? how do you survive??
May 14, 2008 - 12:10 ET by SouthJersey1953Good grief....I don't think I have ever heard anyone complain about a 17 mile commute being long before. 17 miles is well below the national average commuting distance. I drive 68 miles each way to work. Yes, gas prices are hurting me, but I haven't reached the point of crying about it yet.....
SJ
May 14, 2008 - 12:15 ET by Noel SheppardSJ,
If I might speak in Shawn's behalf, he's from California where anything over five miles to work is considered a commute. I kid you not. :-)
No offense intended, Shawn. ns
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May 14, 2008 - 12:27 ET by Cool ArrowI saw a 60 Minutes piece several years back that said all y'all Californians spend 6 hours each way on the road.
You mean it ain't so?
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Cool, I went out to LA on
May 14, 2008 - 12:39 ET by bassndudeCool, I went out to LA on a job. We stayed in a hotel there in LA, not far from the Navy base there. We had to travel close to 12 miles to the Navy base the next morning to catch a flight out to where our job site was. We were on the road for a little over an hour, from the hotel to the base. 12 crummy miles that would have taken 15 minutes here at home.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
right on bass
May 14, 2008 - 12:49 ET by candanceI know several cities I've lived in where a short distance would take you hours to travel. Ever hit the Schuylkill Expressway west of Philadelphia? Even on the weekends it's bumper to bumper (they don't call it the Sure Kill Stressway for nothing!).
Even here in south Richmond a 20 mile commute takes hubby up to 45 minutes.
No candance, never have had
May 14, 2008 - 12:52 ET by bassndudeNo candance, never have had to travel to Philadelphia, and IF I ever do, I will be sure to avoid the Stressway:-) Then again, if it is a working trip, I get paid while going to and fro...
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Blue Route is a bit nicer.
May 14, 2008 - 14:22 ET by Hero SquadBlue Route is a bit nicer. Unfortunately, everybody who can use it, does.
I traveled 50 miles each way for my morning commute up until a few years ago (actually, until the week before Katrina sent gas prices over $3.00 for the first time). Now I'm back to 9 miles each way. So my perspective continues to be "this could've been so much worse."
I carpooled with two other guys, who probably still curse my blasted name and burn effigies of me now that they have to split the gas cost two ways instead of three.
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"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will
Shawn,
May 14, 2008 - 13:11 ET by R D HelmLOL-I am feeling your pain, pal.
I have passed on two jobs in the last month due to the commuting distances involved. One was 31 miles each way. The Panzer gets 14 mpg if I keep my foot out of it.
62 mi/14 mpg * $4.00/gal = $17.71 just getting back and forth to work each day.
That works out to be $354+ just for the privilege of commuting to work each month.
Ouch.
It's even worse when you factor in the hideous Atlanta traffic.
Greenspan's self-adjusted
May 14, 2008 - 10:11 ET by NortoGreenspan's self-adjusted finagling with the inflation over the years leaves me with little confidence in ANY reporting on these stats or any others. We could be eating dog food for all he cared. Someone needs to blow a big whistle on this.
The wife came back with groceries last night and Coffemate had risen at least a dollar for the 33.5 ounce size so she got the off brand. 8 O'clock coffee grounds have shot up to $12.50 from single digits.
I drive for a community action program(my own car), putting on over 1,000 miles per week! Imagine when I started last fall gas was, say $2.50, and now the cheapest I can buy is $3.65. I got the Shell gas card which is supposed to save up to .15/gallon, but I will see how that falls out.
We looked at a house yesterday that was built in '47 and color the insulation nonexistent! Home-heating fuel in the NE here is showing at $4.39 for cash and somewhat under that for a pre-buy. Most houses use at least 1,000 gallons a year! That is 3 of my SS payments! 25% of our annual stipend, which brings me back to Andrea's lovey, Greespan. As I understand the finagling, when steak got so high it forced the inflation figures up above what was an acceptable level for public to enjoy, he took steak off and replaced it with hamburg! 'Cause wouldn't those fools change to hamburg anyway, so why have steak on the list! So we have been lied to so many years and times, quite honestly I am close to calling for a recall on them all.
Bush has gone to ask the sultan of oil swat to increase his production! Rush hammered him for this move and I agree. What is going to be our part in relieving our dependence on foreign energy sources?
DRILL AND BUILD! DRILL AND BUILD!
This is not an Oil supply Problem, It is a Money Supply Problem
May 14, 2008 - 12:16 ET by BritcomAll inflation is caused by the Federal Reserve, Inc. printing too much new money and flooding the economy which causes buyers to bid prices up using the new money. This is unnatural because the money the Fed prints is worthless paper IOUs backed by nothing and costs them next to nothing to print. The US dollar is no longer backed by gold, silver, or anything else of value. It's just paper. At least a penny has some copper/zinc intrinsic metal value. That is until they start making them out of something even cheaper, like cardboard.
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Communist vs. Statist '08
Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"
As illustrated by
May 14, 2008 - 12:24 ET by sarcasmoThe graph 2 page-downs on this page. But I'm still floored by these 2 graphs. My problem is, people are more likely to blame "hard money" types like me for financial collapses once they've happened than they are to thank us for inconvenient warnings before a disaster.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Thanks Sarc, those are excellent links
May 14, 2008 - 15:37 ET by Britcom---
Communist vs. Statist '08
Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"
Shawn228
May 14, 2008 - 10:19 ET by expatriotThe democrats won by going negative and claiming that the republican was a KKK supporter. MM is reporting on this on her site.
expatriot
May 14, 2008 - 10:32 ET by shawn228I don't doubt that, but surely there was dirty tricks on both sides. This one was different though. The GOP spent lots of money and had their big guns out for this one.
Still boggles the mind how Dems are winning so many seats that were considered GOP safe.
I'm So Confused
May 14, 2008 - 10:24 ET by GothampcLiberals want Darwin taught in schools as fact. Man came from monkey.
Liberals get mad when Obama is portrayed as a monkey.
http://www.bostonherald.com/business/general/view.bg?articleid=1093895
»→ Gotham
May 14, 2008 - 10:27 ET by Cool ArrowBut Chimpy McHitler is OK.
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LOL
May 14, 2008 - 10:35 ET by BritcomMore fun than a barrel full o' monkeys. (monkey screech!!)
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Communist vs. Statist '08
Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"
I'm sure that expression is used on Kos
May 14, 2008 - 10:56 ET by sarcasmoBut the only examples of it I can ever recall here come from Republicans.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
»→ Kidding sarc?
May 14, 2008 - 12:18 ET by Cool ArrowYou're kidding, right?
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That's why I said "here"
May 14, 2008 - 12:27 ET by sarcasmoI'm sure it's used a lot elsewhere, but I've never seen any NB lefty use it here. Not one, and not even once.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
More welfare for the wealthy
May 14, 2008 - 10:25 ET by sarcasmoBut in a bit of good news, Bush has promised a veto.
JMR
The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.
Reuters Rewrites Israel History with 'Factbox' Lies, Omissions.
May 14, 2008 - 10:27 ET by BritcomForgets to mention that by 1948, two-thirds of Palestine already given to the Arabs who rename it Jordan! And half of the sliver that was left (which was supposed to be Jewish Palestine) the UN then promises to the Arabs as well, etc. etc.
Source: Reuters
Communist vs. Statist '08
Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"
Face it Brit...Reuters has
May 14, 2008 - 10:33 ET by bassndudeFace it Brit...Reuters has never been strong on truth or history. I see "Reuters" and right away I think, ignorant reporter giving his/her opinion. There is no need to report the truth. Remember "blue helmet"?
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Not only that, but who drove
May 14, 2008 - 11:06 ET by amberNot only that, but who drove them from their homes? It was the arabs who told them they better high tail it out of there because the Jews were going to sacrifice their children and drink their blood.
America's economy
May 14, 2008 - 10:32 ET by candanceWe Americans have lived our entire lives in the biggest superpower on Earth with the ability to literally get whatever we want. This has caused hubris among a lot of people. When investors and economists say our economy will eventually collapse, we act just like the Romans, looking around at all our technology and saying, "no way, we're America, it'll never actually happen! The powers that be simply won't let it get that far."
I am not so optimistic. No world superpower has lasted forever. We peaked in the 1980s and are now on the decline. Even if we get the dollar back up and start drilling for homegrown oil, the economies of China and India are rapidly catching up with us.
"...looking around at all
May 14, 2008 - 11:25 ET by Chris Norman"...looking around at all our technology and saying, "no way, we're America, it'll never actually happen!"
No, we look at our people and know we can surmount anything.
We are big and resilient and we are good people. Where's the optimism?
Chris
May 14, 2008 - 11:33 ET by candanceHave you visited a public school lately? Have you seen the people who will be protecting your borders when you're old? We were resilient up until now, but we're not the same place anymore.
Yes and Yes. I still have
May 14, 2008 - 11:59 ET by Chris NormanYes and Yes. I still have faith in our country. There are still a lot of good, kind, intelligent, productive, and patriotic people who will do the right thing - no matter what.
And now for some comic
May 14, 2008 - 10:40 ET by motherbeltAnd now for some comic relief:
Profanity warning, NSFW!
gawker.com has video of the Top Ten On-Camera Meltdowns
motherbelt
May 14, 2008 - 10:44 ET by shawn228That was f*cking great.
Shawn
May 15, 2008 - 21:42 ET by Free Stinker;-)
"Don't forget to vote this fall. Not for McCain, not ever, but there might be a Conservative Rep or Senator that Needs Your Vote" --Free Stinker