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For general discussion and debate. Possible talking point: Racism worries Obama campaign:

For all the hope and excitement Obama's candidacy is generating, some of his field workers, phone-bank volunteers and campaign surrogates are encountering a raw racism and hostility that have gone largely unnoticed -- and unreported -- this election season. Doors have been slammed in their faces. They've been called racially derogatory names (including the white volunteers). And they've endured malicious rants and ugly stereotyping from people who can't fathom that the senator from Illinois could become the first African American president...Victoria Switzer, a retired social studies teacher, was on phone-bank duty one night during the Pennsylvania primary campaign. One night was all she could take: "It wasn't pretty." She made 60 calls to prospective voters in Susquehanna County, her home county, which is 98 percent white. The responses were dispiriting. One caller, Switzer remembers, said he couldn't possibly vote for Obama and concluded: "Hang that darky from a tree!"

How pervasive do you think this is? Has WaPo taken a few disgusting incidents and turned them into a controversial yet exaggerated front-page story? Or, are such sentiments common enough in America to be an issue this election?

Before you answer, consider that the Clintons and their surrogates certainly felt so, and their racist strategy failed miserably.

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Whatever the prevalence is

Whatever the prevalence is (and it's difficult to assess from anecdotal evidence such as "some" or "a lot of") it's a certainty that the MSM will inflate it. The stage is already being set for the backlash if Obama is defeated: it will be because Americans just can't overcome their racism.

 

Pre-Slurring the Republicans

Over the last few weeks, the Democrats have been laying the foundation for their media strategy. They have assured the media that everything the Republicans say (whether it's honest criticism, common election rhetoric, or even respectful observation) is really a racist slur.

  • Republicans are being slammed for racism, and we haven't even said anything yet.
  • The only people who are talking race are fellow Democrats (the Clintons), who have the gall to blame their own plain racism on the GOP -- they claim they're just preparing Obama for what those racist Republicans will surely do in the fall! (By that same logic, Bonnie and Clyde were only robbing the bank to prepare the bank for bigger robberies.)

The public is becoming gradually more aware of how campaigns use the media to broadcast their own rhetoric. Obama is taking this cynicism to a new level. He simply wants to label all criticism as racist. These stories are simply preparing the ground. They're going to do everything they can to deflect any attempt to make Obama explain himself.

The key to Obama is simple. He's a lightweight. Expose him for what he is. He spent one year in the Senate, and decided that Washington was broken, so his solution is to become president? That logic doesn't work.

There's an old rule: don't play the devil's game with the devil. The GOP can't get sucked into how the Democrats are framing this debate (or more accurately, how they're trying to frame it away from true debate). Instead, the GOP has to stick doggedly to making Obama explain himself ... because Obama can't.

I see this as a pre-emptive

I see this as a pre-emptive strike by the MSM for Obama that is trying to work on two levels:

1).  Any attack on Obama is a racist attack.  It can't be the fact that the man is not a uniter and has consistently voted to the left of HRC and the Swimmer.

2).  It will probably garner about 10 to 20% of the total white vote that Obama gets from those people who are closet racists, but feel a guilt about it and will attempt to relieve that guilt with a vote.

Look at the man and his record, his associates, and his plans and promises and make your decision.  Race shouldn't matter.  Michael Steele, JC Watts, or Alan Keyes would have broad appeal on a national ticket.

I agree with several of the comments here that the racism is being shown on the Democratic side with the 90% support from blacks.  Beyond skin color and some kind of pride of accomplishment, unless there is a tax waiver based on skin color, this man will be a disaster to the pocketbooks of anyone of any color when he tries to make good on all the promises being made.

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."  - Sir Winston Churchill

I agree, hunter. This is a

I agree, hunter. This is a shot across the bow of the McCain campaign. Obama is laying down the marker right now.

He intends to have McCain and his supporters constantly on the defensive, trying to prove that they are not racist.

You could also add Walter

You could also add Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell to that list. All five are presidential timber, and I would vote for any of them in a heartbeat.

Well, well...looks like

Well, well...looks like Burma's military junta is showing their caring side.

 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080513/ap_on_re_as/myanmar

"They need to have a course in college called common sense and everyone should take it.  Problem is there isn't too many people that could pass or teach it."  -my grandfather

Newsflash, B. Hussein Obama! If you get elected ...

it will be DUE to racism.  

 90% of blacks voting for the grossly unqualified Obama? Racism indeed.

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.Those who believe in nothing will believe anything.

In that case....

Any criticism of John McCain by BHO is to be considered racist. 

Noli habere bovis, vir!

Except that since B. Hussein

Except that since B. Hussein O-bomb-a is half Black and half white, one can only be half-racist toward him and he can only be half-racist toward others - but not toward McCain, because hating Whitey isn't racism, it's justice....Just ask Rev. Wright.

Please remind me again . . .

Which candidate has consistently polled 90% or above from a specific large ethnic voting bloc? Which bloc was that?

Does that 90%+ support constitute racism?

Which candidate has

Which candidate has consistently polled 90% or above from a specific large ethnic voting bloc? Which bloc was that?

Does that 90%+ support constitute racism?

And if 90% + white voters voted for Hillary in the primaries, we wouldn't even know Obama's name and he wouldn't have carried a single state.

D

Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps.

Racist

Hussein O (read his books) and his preacher brought racism to the forefront with the worst display of racism in 50 years, and set race relations back to 1865. They act surprised that it came back and bit them on the butt. No one with a brain can look at the Obama's and not see two street corner racist.

 

Old, Retired and glad of it.

Not Surprised

I'm not surprised if people feel that way.  For the most part I really feel that America really doesn't care about the color or sex of the president.  I suppose this could be the case in a few places still in America, but for me I would vote for Obama if I agreed with his politics (WHICH I DO NOT!!).  So I hope this isn't the case, but like I said I'm not surprised.

Powell could have been

Powell could have been president

Condi still can

From all reports, Powell is

From all reports, Powell is as liberal and maybe more liberal than McCain on social/domestic and foreign policy. I've heard that Sec. Rice is pretty moderate on domestic affairs also.

Powell's a RINO...he and

Powell's a RINO...he and McCain couldn't fit tighter in a nutshell than two peas in a pod.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

yes, we know - but he would

yes, we know - but he would have beat Bubba

Rice could very well be moderate to liberal on some things

Newsbusters asks: "Has WaPo

Newsbusters asks: "Has WaPo taken a few disgusting incidents and turned them into a controversial yet exaggerated front-page story?"

"[A] few disgusting incidents"? No, Kevin Merida, the militantly leftist useful idiot who wrote this editorial for the Washington Post, has taken a few unsubstantiated allegations and turned them into "facts".

George Will had a great

George Will had a great column in last week's Newsweek....Questions for Obama.  Only one involves race (a preferential treatment bill). 

\What are the chances he will ever be asked them? And if asked, would he give a solid answer?

Anyone who is not voting for

Obama will be painted a racist! And I mean "any" body.

If you are a black man or woman NOT voting for Obama you will not be called a racist, you will be called "uncle tom", or "sellout", or some other invective.

God forbid the 90% of black voters who voted for Obama should be called racist? anyone who thinks that should be spanked!

But are these 90% racist? I mean they did not vote for the white girl. Right?

This is going to be a tough race for the white man because he doesn't have a voter base form which to draw upon.

Count me racist.

I am not voting for him.

BECAUSE HE IS AN AMERICAN HATING SOCIALIST!!!

 

This is a truism in some

This is a truism in some situations "White people look out for white people, and black people look out for black people."  I see these comments as a few people venting.  I dont really see it as the norm, but the story was about people in the north and it is my experience, anectdotaly, taht northers are typically more racist and segregated than those in the south.  Even though the sterotype is the other way around.

One important aspect is we are talking about the Democrat primary where Democrats participate and Democrats choose.  These are not teh GOP who dont have the "black" vote.  Is there something wrong with this picture?

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Living Racial History

Not from the South, but spent a lot of time there as a young man in the '50's.  Saw all the colored fountains, public restrooms, movie balconies ("n" heaven), etc.

Worked part time in a shoe store, with instructions if a colored came in, throw a large cheap wingtip shoe on him, and pinch his toe to make the sale. 

Rode a Greyhound once from LA to Little Rock with returning black Korean war veterans with chests full of medals.  Upon crossing the Mason Dixon line (north to south for those who don't know what the line is), the black veterans had to move to the back, and couldn't eat at the food stops, and I had to bring them food.  They had to go out into the bushes if there was no colored restroom. 

 A lot of thanks for serving their nation.  Times were miserable for them and the hating whites, both in the South and the North in those times.

 The hating whites taught their children and their grandchildren this same hate and bigotry.  That takes us to the present.

 It will take a few more generations before this country can elect a black president.  The hate and bigotry still remain.

 Our media will never say any of the above out loud.

 "If a liberal didn't live it, it doesn't exist."

 

 

pickersenior

With all due respect for your personal experience, if you do not think the media isn't screaming this vision of the past every day, then you do not read the paper of listen to the MSM.

Like the old Ad says, "We've come a long way baby"!

Are there racists of both colors hanging around today?

Sure.

Are they in the majority?

Nope!

Do they mostly reside in the Democrat Party?

Yep!

Can you envision a senario where Black families handed down hate or "preached" it?  No?

Well, I can.

You are misinformed about racism today.

These are the "DEMOCRAT PRIMARYS" and this is where RACISM is Alive and Well!!! 

This is race argument is a fight between White and Black Democrats.

U need to leave the rest of us out of it!

And this is what the media will never say out loud.

Delsa...  "This is race

Delsa...

 "This is race argument is a fight between White and Black Democrats."

Amen! 

"Abstain from McCain"

Black and White Democrats are Every Kind of Bigot There is,

Black Dems hate whites

White Dems hate blacks

Women Dems hate men and the unborn

Men Dems hate children

Athiest/Secular/Moslem Dems hate Christians.

"Christian" Dems hate Jews

Jewish Dems hate Israel

Socialist Dems hate Entrepreneurs

Gay Dems hate Christ

Straight Dems hate Fathers

Virtually All Dems hate God, America, the Troops, the Family, and the Bible.

The Democrats are still fighting the Civil War but their enemy has morphed into anyone who stands in the way of their (now passive-aggressive) bigotry.

They still lynch people (though now it is character assassination), they still engage in slavery, (though now it is illegal aliens), they still have plantations, (though now they are called "entitlements"), they still engage in public whippings, though now they call them "news stories",

and...

they still divide the nation by using their bigotry to pit American against American.

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Communist vs. Statist '08

Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"

I am consumed with hatred

...at least that's my conclusion after reading your post and discovering whom and what I hate.

Let's see, as I understand it...

I hate blacks.  I hate my son.  I hate Jews.  I hate my dad.  And, most likely, I hate God, America, the troops, my family, and the Bible.

Anything else?  I guess that sums it up pretty well.  Congratulations, Sigmund.  You're a genius.

Jer

»→ Jer

I'm assuming, by an omission in your admission, that you must be white.

Fear not.  You can also hate white people because of the guilt you feel for all sorts of stuff you had nothing to do with.

♣ a seal

Thanks for the tip, Cool.

Thanks for the tip, Cool.  We Dems can always make room for a little more hate.

If you can think of anything else, let me know.  In the meantime, I have to go outside and kick the dog.

Jer

Well, if you're Registered as a Democrat and your not a bigot...

then guess what? Your party hates you. So there you go.

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Communist vs. Statist '08

Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"

Picker, I think that

Picker, I think that pendulum has swung past center to the other side of the spectrum now.  Most racism I see displayed now days comes from the other direction.  I'm not saying there aren't examples of the pre-60's bigotry still to be found, but most of that cr*p wouldn't be tolerated today.  I don't feel I owe anything to anyone based on the color of their skin.  If you want to hear comtempt put into the word, listen to someone of color who's strived and achieved call someone riding the welfare gravy train (yes, it can still be done) the word "nigger".  Yes, I did hear my father say it, but I never understood his use of the word because he had several good friends who where black and we lived in an area that was 99% white.  I discovered growing up that people are people.  I think the MSM is preaching that there is only one way to make up for past injustices and we have to do it in the voting booth in November, regardless of the man involved.  

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."  - Sir Winston Churchill

since we're remembering

and let's not forget - those were all Democrats below that Mason-Dixon line

and election after election proves they still haven't left the Democrat plantations

In my alone-time moments,

In my alone-time moments, I like to imagine that I am special, unique, waaaay off the bell-curve.  Chances are, though, that I am like many others.

In which case I will speak for those like me and say:  I am all for an African American president.  If he can lead and be a strong President, bring him on!  Just don't give me Obama. (Michael Steele, where are you!?)

And a corollary:  I am all for a woman president (I just wish we had a Margaret Thatcher clone available to run!) just please not Hillary. 

In my case (and the vast herd I speak for), it's not the race or the gender that bothers me, it's the individuals.  They are rotten and evil and destructive and toxic.  Being African American or female is incidental. 

When one of the victims of their phoning said that they "can't fathom that the senator from Illinois could become the first African-American president", maybe they had similar sentiments to me (and my herd).  Maybe they just don't like the man and don't give a fig for his race - whatever it is. 

"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war"  - Shakespeare

I was all for Condoleeza

I was all for Condoleeza Rice getting into the campaign

and not because of her skin tone, or gender

she would be a fantastic prez

but wouldn't that just devastate the rainbow coalition

and the N.A.G.s 

Caution

That giant sucking sound you hear is Bill O'Reilly trying to get an interview with Barack Obama.

Barker,You got that right.

Barker,

You got that right. O'Reilly has been busy lately, excusing and, in effect, separating Obama from all the stories of the hateful people who surround him. It's almost embarassing to watch him go out of his way to do it.

WashPost: If you don't support Obama, you MUST be racist.

It seems many journalists working for agenda-setting media outlets are really starting to play hardball in an effort to make it unacceptable to criticize Obama.

The implication from this article is clear: if you don't support Obama, you must be a racist.

When I read the WashPost article I could almost picture the caricature being drawn of those who don’t support Obama:

Dang, you’d hafta be plum crazy to vote fer that city slicker.

Obama himself, according to the article, doesn't seem too concerned about the criteria that voters use to pick a candidate to support:

"Will there be some folks who probably won't vote for me because I am black? Of course," Obama said, "just like there may be somebody who won't vote for Hillary because she's a woman or wouldn't vote for John Edwards because they don't like his accent. But the question is, 'Can we get a majority of the American people to give us a fair hearing?' "

 

Matthew Vadum is Editor of Organization Trends and Foundation Watch, two monthly newsletters published by Capital Research Center

Yes we can

Yes the are racists in the U.S, there are racists in EVERY country, it is my belief that there are fewer today than yesterday and there will be still fewer tomorrow but tere will always be some. HOWEVER, if B.O. loses it will NOT be because he is black, it will be because of his associations and his voting record and both his and his wifes attitude towards ordinary Americans.

 

 

VOTE REPUBLICAN

paul... I disagree.

paul...

I disagree. Conservatives and the majority of Republicans won't vote for him because of his neo-socialist views. Around 1/3rd of Dems won't vote for him because he's black.  

"Abstain from McCain"

defense mechanism….

defense mechanism…. calling anybody who disagrees with you or doesn’t like you a racist.  I’ll have to try that.

Anybody heard about

 this? http://www.bobbarr2008.com/

Also, anybody heard from our ol' buddy Nader since he announced his running?

Maybe I'm wrong, but all I have to say is, "Let the vote siphoning begin." I like a lot of Bob Barr's ideas, but it just doesn't seem like a 3rd party candidate ever has a chance. I'm not a fan of McCain's but I'd rather have him than Obama or Clinton. I see Bob Barr getting votes from Conservatives and ultimately allowing the dems (ugh) to regain the White House. I'd like to vote for someone like Barr but I don't want my vote to help the Libs. Help!

"It takes 43 muscles to frown and 17 to smile, but it doesn't take any to just sit there with a dumb look on your face."

McCains Problem

Eventhough I would have wanted someone other than McCain we are in fact, stuck with him. We can't afford to waste our votes on a third party candidate (like Perot) and hand the keys to the White House to someone like Obama, who will definitely wreck our already weakened economy and force us to take a back seat to every dictator world wide.

We need to get behind McCain and give him our support, but the big problem for McCain is that he cannot appear weak. He wants to run a clean campaign but if he thinks that the democrats will do the same, he is truly insane.

He needs to be the strong warrior from his Navy days and take the fight to Obama after all this man is a war hero(unlike psuedo hero John Kerry) who was shot down, captured, imprisoned and tortured for five and half years. I believe he still has that survivor spirit in him and if needed will get down and dirty with the democrats and do what's needed to win

I definitely disagree with some of his legislation he has put forth but when I think of the alternative, I'm willing to put my disagreements aside and support him any way I can.

 

If you're afraid of the future, then get out of the way, stand aside. The people of this country are ready to move again. Ronald Reagan
40th president of US (1911 - 2004)

Tom... Each day that goes

Tom...

Each day that goes by McCain makes it harder and harder for conservatives to pull the lever for him. If I were you, I would start preparing for at least 4 years of the crappiest presidency since Carter. 

"Abstain from McCain"

Yeah, I know but...

I still hold out hope that this country will come to it's senses before we elect an empty suit like Obama

It is pretty

It is pretty disheartening.  Maybe he will serve as a place-holder for four years so that in 2012 we will finally be ready to find a strong conservative candidate.  Emphasis on strong.  Devolving to this spineless pseudo-liberal condition is nauseating and depressing.

I saw an ad recently, and have only seen it once, where congress is filled with firemen.  The caption says: "if firemen ran congress".  In it several questions come up from taxes to whatever and all are taken care of in mere minutes.  Then they're off to do their job.

We need someone decisive and quick and willing to thump on the parasites and obstructionists that infest congress and get a lean, mean, strong and azz-kicking president.  Get this country back in the ring.

Or whatever metaphore works. 

"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war"  - Shakespeare

Helen,I keep reading the

Helen,

I keep reading the comments of several conservatives here, who's opinions I respect, hold out the hope and belief that a disasterous Obama presidency will make way for a real conservative to be elected in 2012. However, I have tried to think of some strong conservative, who has a national name and real charisma to be our knight in shining armor, and for the life of me, I can't come up with one name. I know a lot can happen in four years, but not to even be able to come with a possibility makes that scenario seem less likely. It is disheartening - in our understandable distaste for McCain, we will insure eight years of a far worse Obama. So, to any conservatives who are thinking of a conservative savior in 2012, I have to ask - just who do you have in mind?

I really wish I knew more

I really wish I knew more people so that I could submit a name.  I guess my wish and hope is more a nebulous concept than an individual.  Maybe I can mull it over and come up with someone. 

Oh wait!  I know someone!!!  How about that rockin' cool Sheriff Arpaio (?) of Maricopa County.

He would be so AWESOME as a president!

"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war"  - Shakespeare

Two more nominees:

John R. Bolton

Retired General Tommy Franks 

"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war"  - Shakespeare

Both good men. However, Mr.

Both good men. However, Mr. Bolton is not particularly charismatic and neither has expressed any interest at holding an elected office. Neither is a politician. I meant someone who wanted to be president and would be a viable candidate - not just someone we admire. There are many good conservatives out there, but it takes a special gift to be a viable presidential candidate.

...sigh...

I guess I just move in the wrong circles, then.  I don't know the guys who might be interested, who are charismatic enough, who wants the public rectal-probe of a life that goes with the whole running-for-office and being the president.

Have we interviewed any masochists to see if they'd be willing? 

"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war"  - Shakespeare

"Have we interviewed any

"Have we interviewed any masochists to see if they'd be willing?"

You got it. Masochism and ego are two of the special gifts one needs to be the viable candidate I was talking about. I don't run in the right circles to know who'd make a good dog catcher, but I do watch the news and I've seen no one on the radar screen who looks promising, at least, at this point. The fact that I thought Fred Thompson would come in and kick b--t and take names shows what an awful judge I am...

Yeah, I was hoping for Fred

Yeah, I was hoping for Fred as well.  I was very disappointed when he bowed out. 

"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war"  - Shakespeare

He may just as well bowed

He may just as well bowed out - he was hardly the conservative dynamo a lot of us were hoping for. I think Sen. Thompson's time had already come and gone - he was just too past his prime.

Alan Keyes? Nuke em til

Alan Keyes?

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

There again, good man, but

There again, good man, but he didn't make much of an impact in his brief appearance this last time, did he?

Why not?

The Constitution Party, Chicago voters, and various others over the years have all soundly rejected Alan, but he sure can talk smooth!
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Maybe we can invite a few

Maybe we can invite a few of these gentlemen to a quiet sit-down (I could provide the coffee for our guests) and impress on them our desperation - or at least our concern - and see if we can't get one of them to run for us. 

"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war"  - Shakespeare

I'm afraid it takes a lot

I'm afraid it takes a lot more than coffee and conversation in running a viable presidential candidate - far beyond what we mere mortals can set up. That scenario works only in the movies - and there, only for liberals.

Damn. Well, luckily I

Damn.

Well, luckily I have a fall-back position:  take the Word at face-value and rely on Romans 13:1-5 to comfort me in the face of apparent chaos and lunacy. Actually it's my primary position but it's just really hard to be gracious about it all the time.  Ever.

"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war"  - Shakespeare

You also might want to

You also might want to invest in a reliable escape pod.

I've got one.  Read the

I've got one.  Read the end of the Book. 

"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war"  - Shakespeare

In all honesty, not being

In all honesty, not being very religious, I was thinking more of the material and less of the spiritual. I was also thinking of something slightly less permanent, if you know what I mean... :)

Chris and Helen, I know I

Chris and Helen, I know I am jumping in here late (been out doing errands) but I think your discusssion proves a point that I have brought up before, and I think is proving to be true.

That is that the country as a whole is moving leftward. There are no really strong conservatives because that's not what the country wants any more. Granted, McCain is going left on banana peels, but look, even Newt Gingrich is moving toward the middle. The politicians are going in the direction the country is moving.

Let's face it..people are getting used to the idea of government solving their problems. Health care expensive? Get the government to provide it. Mortgage problem? Ask the government to underwrite loans. High gas prices? Pass laws to limit Big Oil's profits (not that that will help, but we'll feel better for sticking it to them.)

The ones who get elected are the ones who promis to "fix" people's problems...or as Barack Obama said "help them in their everyday lives." Now frankly, I don't know what he could do to help me in mine, but a lot of people buy into that mindset.

Conservatives are realizing that conservatism is not the way to get elected in this country any more; that's not what the majority want.

That's it in a nutshell, IMO.

I'm afraid you're

I'm afraid you're right.  At the grand old age of 54, I can see the difference in how people think just within my life-time.  It's like a gradual erosion and the seductive effects of being fat dumb and lazy.

People don't want inconvenient consequences to anything.  Any effort to provide for themselves is too much.  And wherever there is an opportunity to blame or to cash in on a natural disaster or an accident, hands are out waiting for a check.

It's sad to watch.  No more morals, no more standards, no more back-bone.  Just a bunch of parasitic jelly-fish waiting for their place on the life-support system.

But fortunately, that's just the visible elements in government.  There are a bunch of strong and heroic people out there still but they're busy taking care of us in other ways: firemen, law enforcement, military,...  The kind who do the noble things just because they're noble people. 

We're just not the majority any more, I guess.  Like you said.  And that's what's sad.  It's like we have lost the glory that made us what we are and can remember it for a while longer but soon even that will be gone and there'll just be a flabby reminder left.

"Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war"  - Shakespeare

mb, I'm afraid you are

mb,

I'm afraid you are close to the truth - although I am loath to be quite as pessimistic. I think it took Ronald Reagan to voice the fact that conservatism was a way out of the country's  problems that years of liberalism had caused. Too many other conservative politicians come off as small-minded bean counters who can only say, "No". Reagan gave conservatism an optimistic "can-do" image, despite the media's best efforts to villify him and the movement.  Too many Republican politicians failed to understand Reagan's message and vision, so we got "a kinder and gentler nation" and "compassionate conservatism" - which helped undo Reagan's message. When I talk about a a viable conservative candidate, I mean one who, like Reagan, can articulate and sell conservative principles and inspire a nation who has been brainwashed into thinking only liberalism helps people who are less successful and is simply not stingy and mean. I don't know anyone who is like this, at this point.

 

Chris, I sometimes wonder

Chris, I sometimes wonder if even Ronaldus Magnus himself could, in today's climate, convince people that "Government is not the solution. Government is the problem."

 

Perhaps not, MB. It's going

Perhaps not, MB. It's going to take someone attractive who combines excellent articulation with a lot of energy. Not the half hearted politicians who have either forgotten conservative principles or never really believed in them in the first place. I'm afraid all we have now are the "me too but for less money" Republicans or the guys who want to limit government and don't want to raise taxes and come off as colorless accountants in the process.

Chris, Helen, mb... John

Chris, Helen, mb...

John Cornyn...Here is a man I would of loved to see run this year...he is up for reelection this year in Texas...I sent two links...the Wiki one sort of covers the heated exchange between McCain and he on illegal immigration, I was watching that day...I have had nothing but extreme pride to have this man in the Senate...I know it is another Senator but he and Jeff Sessions would make great Presidents IMO....he also was a Judge on the Texas Supreme Court...he is articulate, handsome and knows his business...and very much a conservative..

I refuse to give up hope that this nation will not have it up to here and see the light and we will have another conservative take over..it will now have to be after four years..but believe me, if we had a conservative like Cornyn running now and he used the msm and the bully-pulpit with a few major issues like illegal immigration, amnesty, oil self-dependence just using in for reference our rising gas prices and the fault of congress for all of this for over thirty years, especilly RINOs like McCain who went against our party, fighting the terrorists and keeping this country safe....conservative judges for the SC...we would win...the majority of the people would vote for this...with the exception of conservative judges the other issues would trump that and we would win.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

bt, I like Cornyn, but I've

bt,

I like Cornyn, but I've never heard him express any desire to run. Have you heard anything?

Ahhh no Chris I

Ahhh no Chris I haven't...but I thought when I started reading the thread here were asking for suggestions of anyone we thought would fit the bill or some such in 2012...I mention him because who knows...he may...adn he is Reaganesque

I don't think anyone knows of anyone who is talking bout running on our side of the aisle on 2012 yet...McCain may have to try again...hahaha

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

You may be right, but

I can't help but wonder if you have it backward. Do we not have any true conservative leaders because the country is moving left, or is the country sliding left because we have no true conservative leaders? Other than Reagan, around whom could we rally?

All of his successors were "conservative, but" types. They were Republicans first, and conservatives second. They all were willing to abandon or dilute their conservatism to "reach out" to moderates and liberals, hoping to get more votes.

You can't rally around a candidate who's trying to re-shape himself to attract you. To rally around a candidate, the candidate must remain steadfast and anchored, long enough for you to latch onto him (or her). But when they bend with every new poll, you have nothing to hold onto. That's what we've seen in the post-Reagan years. Reagan bent politically, not ideologically. If he had to swallow a compromise, well, he chalked it up to democracy -- but he never bent on ideology. These guys can't wait to bend at the slightest breeze.

KC... You said a

KC...

You said a mouthful...I agree.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

KC...does it really matter?

KC...does it really matter? Chicken, egg, what's the difference? It's like a vicious circle. I'm not giving up, but I just don't know what it will take to wake people up. Maybe four years of a Democrat President and a veto-proof Democrat congress will do the trick.

 

Probably not

Yeah, but I don't think we can afford to wait that long. The common guess is that at least two Supreme Court justices will retire in the coming two terms (likely Stevens and Ginsburg). If they are replaced by solid liberals, we'll have gained nothing, but then the next two resignations are likely to be conservatives, and who knows how they'll be replaced? If it weren't for the judges, I'd be willing to wait out a four year Obama term, but this is too important.

HelenS

Maybe he will serve as a place-holder for four years so that in 2012 we will finally be ready to find a strong conservative candidate. 

1992: I know Bush is a RINO, but surely we can find a better conservative in four years.

1996: Vote for Dole to stop the Clintons and maybe in four years we'll find a real conservative.

2000: I know Bush is a "compassionate conservative" and that gives you pause, but he can hold down the fort until we find someone better.

2004: Bush is doing a good job despite his flaws. Let's keep him in there so we can hand the White House to a real conservative in four years.

2008: I know McCain sucks, but maybe we can find a real conservative in four years.

2030: I know Nancy Pelosi isn't exactly what we want, but we have to stop Hugo Chavez from taking over.

OUCH!

Excellent point, candance.

Wish I had a solution.

Of course, your scenario

Of course, your scenario also applies to letting Obama get elected in hopes "Super Conservative!" will crash through the wall and save us from Dr. Obama and his evil henchlady Michelle...

I know Chris

The point I'm making is that there is no Super Conservative who will come along anywhere. Anti-McCain folks comfort themselves with the hope that America will get so angry with Obama they'll elect a conservative, but I doubt that will happen. Pro-McCain folks hope he can hold down the fort until we find a conservative to elect, but I doubt that will happen either.

I was simply making the point that, decade after decade, we tell ourselves it will be better next time and it never is. No stratgety will save us one way or another.

It's a slippery slope...

...but we might be able to find an grip. Besides, my job description (or the one I'll have in a few years) doesn't allow me to have a defeatist mindset. I'm hardly expecting a superhero, especially not in this climate, but I can't bring myself to just bow down to the inevitable leftist drift, either. I think the problem is that people have been free of real fear for too long. It's been over half a century since something posed a blatent, concerted threat to this country, and the results are complacency, a slide away from values, and an unwillingness to deal with less clear threats when they appear. Without a new threat of the same glaring quality as an army invading its neighbors, people will continue to degrade. The threat from the Middle-East is too nebulous, too easily rationalized away to galvanize the country, so it may well be the one that does us in. I don't intend to lie down and take it, though. Maybe we'll get lucky and find someone with values and charisma to push back, if only a little.

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candance, I discussed

candance,

I discussed this elsewhere on this post - I think we're all looking for another Ronald Reagan and there just isn't anyone out there that we know about at this time. I don't even know if Ronald Reagan was the Ronald Reagan we so fondly wish for - but he was close enough. We want someone who can take what we know is right and articulate it on the national stage - and win elections. He (or she) just wasn't out there this time and the best we can do, and I know it isn't much, is keep Obama the hell away from the White House - except as a visitor - preferably in the regular public group tour .

"We want someone who can

"We want someone who can take what we know is right and articulate it on
the national stage - and win elections. He (or she) just wasn't out